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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: All right with us on the Huddle, Ryan Bridge Early

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Speaker 2: Edition host in Tim Wilson with the Maximum Institute.

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Speaker 3: Tell are you two good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to come back to the three strikes.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, do you think Tim,

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Speaker 2: it's a good call on putting the Crown Observer into

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Speaker 2: Wellington City Council?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. I mean there's obviously massive dysfunction there.

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Speaker 4: They're talked a bit about financial issues and financing. That

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Speaker 4: all seems a bit strange to me. But it's like

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Speaker 4: there's a toxic environment and so it's like they're bringing

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Speaker 4: in Auntie Norma. You know, I just want to the

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Speaker 4: auntie that all the kids are scared of. I just

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Speaker 4: want to know who's going to get smacked, who's going

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Speaker 4: to get sacked, and who's going to get stroked.

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Speaker 3: And I think we'll find figure that out.

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Speaker 4: The seven hundred million dollar question is when we know

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Speaker 4: who that person is, Like we knew when Lester Levy

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Speaker 4: showed up, we knew what was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be the same when they name the name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel Ryan. The more I see of this

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Speaker 2: and the more I understand what a Crown observer is

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Speaker 2: there to do, which is literally just a knack in

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Speaker 2: the minister more, I feel like this is very much

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Speaker 2: the first step towards commissioners.

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Speaker 3: Don't you.

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Speaker 5: I don't think don't I'm not on board with that.

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Speaker 5: The previous government did one in Kuiper Out with an observer,

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Speaker 5: and it was it was not so much to tell

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Speaker 5: on the council to squirrel back to the government. It

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Speaker 5: was more to provide kind of advice to the councilors

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Speaker 5: and to the council offices about how you actually run

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Speaker 5: a council. Yeah, so I don't know about that. I

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Speaker 5: think the minister's statement though, is weird. And Tim you

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Speaker 5: mentioned it, you know, like in fighting that happens everywhere.

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Speaker 5: That's not an excuse to put an observer in the

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Speaker 5: changing the long term plan that happens. But this whole

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Speaker 5: water thing and the seven hundred million dollars, like, what's

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Speaker 5: up with that?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 4: It's interesting though, Well, I think it's fascinating because you think,

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Speaker 4: why wouldn't you take advantage of local wall have done

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Speaker 4: well rather than so great payers for it.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, So so Ryan, what the argument is

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Speaker 2: is that you have this availability post the three Waters

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Speaker 2: thing to take out very cheap debt through the local

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Speaker 2: government funding arrangement. You can have this very very cheap

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Speaker 2: debt that you can spend on your pipes. They have

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Speaker 2: chosen not to do that, but instead to lump the

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Speaker 2: current rate pays with about a billion dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: costs in the end that debt. Is that doing it

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Speaker 2: that way is more expensive apparently and costs the rate

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Speaker 2: pays about seven hundred million over ten years extra. So

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Speaker 2: the decision that the council has taken is one that's

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Speaker 2: more expensive for rate pays and the minister saying that's

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Speaker 2: not the right call.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know I heard that, But I listened to

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Speaker 5: your counselor on your show after five and he was saying, well,

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Speaker 5: debt's more expensive. I mean you're going to pay interest

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Speaker 5: in it, an't you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're not taking the debt. If you're not,

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Speaker 2: is this an opportunity cost thing?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: If you're not taking the debt for that, you're taking

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Speaker 2: the debt for something else. You're still taking on they

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Speaker 2: are still taking on debt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's almost working backwards.

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Speaker 5: So this statement from the minister, you know, the reason

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Speaker 5: that they got that he got involved in the first

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Speaker 5: place was to do with the long term plan and

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Speaker 5: we didn't hear anything about the water or financing of

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Speaker 5: water infrastructure. And then all of a sudden there's an

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Speaker 5: observer coming in and this sort of reason has popped up.

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Speaker 2: So are you are you saying that he is trying

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Speaker 2: to justify a decision he's already taken a bit.

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Speaker 3: Of reverse engineering.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you think?

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Speaker 3: That's what I think. Ah, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it's see if you guys can play

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Speaker 4: nicely together and we'll see how we go. And you know,

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Speaker 4: actually it's interesting total on when they were exiting from

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Speaker 4: the Commissioners, they did apply to install an observer as

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Speaker 4: a transitional mode. So I do see this observer as

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Speaker 4: possibly a transitional figure to the next phase if no

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Speaker 4: one plays nicely. And this is it's also a judgment

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Speaker 4: on on Tory Faro Meyers have to create coalitions and

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Speaker 4: and there's just been chaos all right.

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Speaker 2: Back with the huddle, we've got Tim Wilson, Ryan Bridge, Tim,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I'm going to miss Darlien. What about you?

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Speaker 3: Ah?

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Speaker 4: You know what we I think I think we're we're

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Speaker 4: all a bit politically tragic in the sense that, you know,

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Speaker 4: politics are sport for unhealthy people. This is all interesting

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Speaker 4: to us. I don't think it's interesting to people who

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Speaker 4: actually care.

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Speaker 3: About real life.

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Speaker 4: You know, remember remember back in the old days when

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Speaker 4: cabinet ministers were being pursued by police dogs and everyone

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Speaker 4: was like, why aren't they be going down with in

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Speaker 4: the polls. It's because New Zealanders are mostly a political

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Speaker 4: So I'll miss her. You'll miss her probably Ryan will

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Speaker 4: mess her too. I don't know if anyone else will.

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Speaker 2: You miss her?

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Speaker 3: Ryan? No, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I must say the contrast today, you know, Chloe fronting

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Speaker 5: that press, another darling presser, you know, another batch of

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Speaker 5: bad apples and the barrel for the Green Party and

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Speaker 5: saying to the reporters that the press up. We want

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Speaker 5: to move on. You know, we need to feed our people.

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Speaker 5: They're hungry and the planet's burn et cetera. And then

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Speaker 5: you've got David Seymour, of all people, feeding those needing

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Speaker 5: hungry kids. This is right's supposed.

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Speaker 2: To be the other way around. Hey, Ryan, on the

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Speaker 2: strikes thing, what I'm confused by is why Nicole McKee

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Speaker 2: is so hell bent on watering down three strikes, the

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Speaker 2: first of the original the og version down to what

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Speaker 2: she's got. Now, why why do this?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 5: Because otherwise you run the risk of it just being

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Speaker 5: repealed again. I mean, you know, look how long the

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Speaker 5: other one lasted.

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Speaker 3: Maybe and the next lot comes in.

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Speaker 5: So maybe she's trying to moderate it a bit so

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Speaker 5: that it actually stands the test of time. If you

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Speaker 5: make it too extreme, labor, we'll get back in, they'll

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Speaker 5: get rid of it. And what was the point?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Why did get repealed anyway? Isn't it one of

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Speaker 2: those ones that it doesn't really matter what the logic is.

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Speaker 2: It's just become sort of it's become part of the battle.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of a It's a political football, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like so many other issues in this country.

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Speaker 4: So for example, you know, healthcare will centralize it, no

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Speaker 4: will devolve it, Education will centralize, it will devolve it.

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Speaker 4: I actually, I mean, I know I know that you're

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Speaker 4: you're a partisan fan, Heather, but there's got to be

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Speaker 4: some some kind of agreen where we go there's actually

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Speaker 4: some stuff we can't stop, and going backwards and for

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Speaker 4: station again.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know it winds you up.

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Speaker 3: But can I at the risk of making peace, I

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Speaker 3: agree that aggravated robbery isn't a minor offense.

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Speaker 2: I thought we're getting over That was a bit of

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Speaker 2: a we're getting it too close to agreeing on things. Now, Tim,

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Speaker 2: you've got about a thousand children. Okay, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of the locals asking ash Burton Council to build

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Speaker 2: a chipmunks and a bowling alley and a gaming arcade.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I only speak boys because we got four boys. So

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Speaker 4: if a boy says I'm bored, it means one of

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Speaker 4: three things. Number one, I'm hungry. Number two, I haven't

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Speaker 4: run around enough. Number three, my Minecraft thirty minutes is tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: I want it today. You tell them to go outside,

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Speaker 4: go and do something else. And I got to say also,

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Speaker 4: boredom is the is the parent to creativity. So I

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Speaker 4: you know, I hived off to New York in my

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Speaker 4: mid thirties because I was brought out of my mind

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Speaker 4: and follow and Ei growing up.

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Speaker 3: There are my teens. It actually gives birth to great stuff.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And didn't you, Ryan, grow up a part of

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Speaker 2: the world where you had to go out doors and

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Speaker 2: cycle for the entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did.

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Speaker 5: And Mom used to just lock the door. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if we lock outside and she you know, she's not right.

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Speaker 5: You know, she'd get home from work, she would lock

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Speaker 5: us out. If we were annoying three boys in the house,

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Speaker 5: she'd just lock the door and say, go and play.

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Speaker 3: And what choice did you have?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, my dear mother, My dear mother used to say.

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Speaker 4: On a satur Day, she'd say, I'm sick of the

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Speaker 4: sight of you guys. Get out of the house. I

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Speaker 4: just want to tidy up and I'll see you in

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Speaker 4: the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Run around, d break some buns, and I have some fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you're supposed to grow up. Oh, guys,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think both of you should just

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Speaker 2: keep on breeding. Well, Tim, you should get keep on breeding,

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Speaker 2: and Ryan you should get started because you'll make great humans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, both of you, Ryan Bridge, Tim Wilson ow huddle.

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