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Speaker 2: Hello you great, you see it is. It is the

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Speaker 2: fourth of December and the year of Our Lord, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. This is the Mett and Tyler Afternoons podcast.

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Speaker 2: the chat at the end of this podcast we had

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Speaker 2: with Professor Karen Stockan from Messy University. She's a marine biologist,

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Speaker 2: and we go deep into weal stranding's lots of information.

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Speaker 3: There fascinating field that one. We also talked a lot

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Speaker 3: about road rage on the back of a terrible incident

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Speaker 3: in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: But man, some shocking stories from people. What Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: I was putting across the thesis that we need to

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Speaker 2: calm down on the roads, but there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of callers were just telling us stories about you know,

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Speaker 2: punching each other in the head. So that one got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'st he out there. And we talked about wool

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Speaker 3: carpets versus nylon carpets because kaig order don't like wool carpets.

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Speaker 2: And I discovered I don't really know much about carpet

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Speaker 2: You Persian or maybe not? Yeah, well I may or

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Speaker 2: may not have a good Persian rage. We talked to

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Speaker 2: someone from Persia about Persian rugs. So it's a great chat.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy the podcast and give me a taste A key.

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Speaker 1: You home for insightful and it's a tinging talk. It's

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Speaker 1: Maddie and Tyer Adams afternoons on news Talk.

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Speaker 4: Zebbie.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Beautiful day in Auckland today. I

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Speaker 3: hope you're doing well. Get a Maddie.

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Speaker 2: You'll be batling today on You're Tyler because you didn't

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Speaker 2: get ay sleep last night, because if you moved up

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Speaker 2: from the South Island, you can't handle the humidity. You're

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Speaker 2: sleeping in the lounge with your misses on a mattress.

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Speaker 3: No love making. I mean stuff, times, man and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I look out there and it looks beautiful, but I

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Speaker 3: know it's steam keen hot, and I'd just be sweating everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You your shorty pajamas on.

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Speaker 3: No pajamas, no pajamas or net trail.

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Speaker 2: Do you sleep?

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Speaker 3: What doesn't everybody?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, you've got to try it. There's nothing better, man,

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Speaker 2: I will not because what evens if the house gets invaded,

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Speaker 2: I have to be ready to fight to protect my family.

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Speaker 2: I can't do that in the nude. Tyler.

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Speaker 3: If I broke into your house and saw you screaming

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Speaker 3: fair cop, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 2: Rob you anymore. Well, it is impressive what I've got,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure, Tyler. You've put the nail on the

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Speaker 2: head right today. Yeah. Well, with the stranding at Farewell Spit,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Professor Karen Stockin, a marine

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Speaker 2: biologist from Messy University, on whales strandings. Why are they happening?

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Speaker 2: happening more. If you've got a question for the professor,

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Speaker 2: it up and we'll ask it for her. Ask it

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Speaker 2: to her after three. Should be bloody interesting. It's a

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Speaker 2: it's a wild mystery that the whales strandings.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating phenomena, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you ever seen one blow up?

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Speaker 2: Man, when those whales explode, either they other explode them,

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Speaker 3: It's not quite a show, imagine.

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Speaker 2: Also there's a great article from me at matt Heath

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Speaker 2: dot substack dot com on Christmas parties. How do you

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Speaker 2: get through them without humiliating south and what happens to

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Speaker 2: companies who skimp on them or don't have them rule

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Speaker 2: How would you feel if you're companied he didn't do

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Speaker 2: appreciation for your workers to put on a few drinks

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: It's a minefield, isn't it. That's after three o'clock, After

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Speaker 3: The Associate Agriculture Ministry. He is fuming after kyng Or

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Speaker 3: It suggested that nylon was thirty four percent cheaper. No

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who is going to put wool carpets

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Speaker 2: Brenwith Chief Executive Greg Smith said that they would have

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Speaker 2: turning a turning point for sheep farmers. So if you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. A man was allegedly beaten in the

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Speaker 3: I think it's definitely a KEYWI problem is that most

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about myself here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an incident this morning and it were telling me

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Speaker 3: So it was on let's say Nelson Street up in Auckland,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so while I was waiting for the light

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Speaker 3: just gave me the eyes and did the old I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at you hand signal. And I'm sitting there and thinking,

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Speaker 3: He did it to the other joker next to me

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Speaker 2: And you let him have it.

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Speaker 3: I said, you're right mate, and nothing from him. But

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Speaker 3: I've got the red mist and that's what I banged

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Speaker 2: So from his perspective, right, he's put his hand on

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Speaker 2: two people's cars. He's coming from behind, so he can't

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Speaker 2: is an insane thing to do, to actually slap two

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Speaker 2: He doesn't know that Tyler Adams hasn't been up on

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Speaker 3: But I wonder once once I wound down my window,

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Speaker 3: and I know that's a you know, I've got to

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Speaker 3: watch that myself as a as a road user. But

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Speaker 3: the fact that he didn't say anything after that straight ahead,

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Speaker 3: and the other guy next to me was getting a

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Speaker 3: point that's the people we're talking about, right, that he

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Speaker 3: did something he shouldn't have done. He got a bit

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Speaker 3: racked up, a bit of bike rage. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 3: he regretted that because it thought, oh god, I've got

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Speaker 3: two guys now that may want to do something here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Like you've got to quote Seneca here,

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Speaker 2: the great Roman philosopher. How much worse are the consequences

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Speaker 2: of anger than the things that started them?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: So he slaps your car? It can really really spiral

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Speaker 2: out of control on what is a slight indiscretion by you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. So e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: do we need to learn to reign in our road rage?

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Speaker 2: Is it risky? And we'd also like to hear your

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Speaker 2: terrifying road rage incidents that you've been involved in, just

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Speaker 2: as a warning to people out there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there's a text here from you mentioned before elderly

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Speaker 3: drivers flipping the bird to someone that does me wrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's an elderly person here that has taken offense at there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, taking offense. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Talks there B. We're talking about road rage in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and as Matt said before, do we need to

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Speaker 3: be better and just calming down a bit. If someone

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Speaker 3: does you wrong on the road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well someone got taken too with a tire iron

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Speaker 2: the other day, so you've got to be careful. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A wheel brace, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yes, do we still have tire irons? That's used American term,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tyron a wheel brace, you know, being the thing

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Speaker 2: that someone locks up there steering where when they're parking. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to either, or you don't want to

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Speaker 2: be hit with that because you've gone to a road

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Speaker 2: radio incident.

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Speaker 3: Here now mentioned before an elderly person who took offence

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Speaker 3: or is a bit irate when you said you shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be flicking off the bird to someone who does you wrong. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: we do flick the bird if someone does us wrong.

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Speaker 3: It is risky, but nice to see the elderly taking

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Speaker 3: things into their own hands. Though. Punks who abuse people

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Speaker 3: need to be exposed like vampires and taken on from Mary.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your text. Mary. Look, I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that you're not in the right. I'm just saying it's

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Speaker 2: a risky thing to do out on the roads, whether

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Speaker 2: whether you're in the right or the wrong, and whether

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Speaker 2: that person needs to be flipped off that that's a

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Speaker 2: different issue to that person potentially coming at you with

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Speaker 2: a wheelbrace.

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Speaker 3: Exactly nicely, said Nigel. How are you mate?

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Speaker 8: There? You go?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, look, you've got to be careful out there.

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Speaker 9: You just don't know who you're dealing with. That's the

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Speaker 9: bottom line. Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you have you ever been involved in in

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Speaker 2: scary a scary incident? Nigel?

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Speaker 9: Oh, well, I lived in west Auckland for five years once,

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Speaker 9: and yeah I've been I've been chased and and and

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Speaker 9: sometimes I didn't even know what the hell I'd done. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 9: you've got to I had it more when I was single.

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Speaker 9: You've been married now for a few years, and you know,

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Speaker 9: every time I've can an incident where it's getting close

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Speaker 9: to that lashing of my wife comes into my mind.

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Speaker 9: I think, what's she going to thank if I'm on

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Speaker 9: you know, on charges or whatever. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's a good strategy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I remember when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: I saw this thing with Goofy and it was about

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Speaker 2: road rage. It was a it was a cartoon and

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Speaker 2: just how the nicest people get incredibly angry in cars

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Speaker 2: and they've sort of looked into it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because we see that car as being

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Speaker 2: our territory. If we're walking down the road, Kiwi's even

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Speaker 2: the slightest touch of the shoulder and we're sorry, sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 2: or a carrid or anything like that. But in a

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Speaker 2: car that becomes our territory, in our domain than anyone

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Speaker 2: that messes with it, we get incredibly, incredibly angry. But

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Speaker 2: we forget that that ad domain is easily breached, especially

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Speaker 2: as I keep saying, with a wheelbrace.

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Speaker 3: Nigel.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well absolutely. I mean I remember one time it

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Speaker 9: was a new living it was an intersection, and that

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Speaker 9: car was nudging another car forward into the uncoming incoming traffic,

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Speaker 9: oncoming traffic, and yeah, that was a scary one. You know,

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Speaker 9: I've seen them all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that is exactly what you're saying then, Nigel.

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Speaker 2: So that person is getting so angry that they're going

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Speaker 2: to try and nudge someone into oncoming cafe, whatever the

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Speaker 2: road and discretion is, they are looking at committing a murder.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big escalation, isn't it. Yeah. I suppose

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it, Nigel, And I've had my issue

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Speaker 3: think I'm getting better at it, but what gets to

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Speaker 3: me is I hate jerks and jerks who think they

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Speaker 3: can do anything. So that's why I used to get

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Speaker 3: really irate when someone thinks that they own the road

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Speaker 3: or they can be an absolute a whole and they

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Speaker 3: get no repercussions. That's what used to set me off

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Speaker 3: and think, no, you can't go around doing those things.

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Speaker 3: But the more that.

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Speaker 2: You're sort of a Batman style vigilante going out there

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Speaker 2: trying to police the roads.

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Speaker 3: Used to be until you know, I've had a couple

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Speaker 3: of incidents that were a bit scary. And this is

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Speaker 3: why we talking about it, right, is that my my

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Speaker 3: Batman esque behavior doesn't doesn't end up like it does

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Speaker 3: in the cartoons of the movies. It's a bad, bad strategy.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think those people they eventually run into the

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Speaker 9: wrong people. You know, they eventually, you know, they go

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Speaker 9: around and you know they're just to the average person,

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Speaker 9: you know, what a dickhead, blah blah blah, but eventually

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Speaker 9: just going to come smashing into the wrong person and

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Speaker 9: you know they're going to think.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, yeah, thank you, So much for me.

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Speaker 3: Cool Nigel text here to the break. Clearly the attacker

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Speaker 3: in this instant had the intent to have the tool

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Speaker 3: at hand needs to be found and put away from Susie.

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Speaker 2: I mean a p So what are the rights or

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Speaker 2: wrongs that happened on that road? And we don't know

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Speaker 2: the details. But as I said before, the coworker of

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Speaker 2: the guy that was tax said, regardless of what has

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Speaker 2: or hasn't happened, it doesn't justify beating someone to a

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Speaker 2: pulp with a wheelbrace. Whatever happens, that's that's irrelevant. You

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Speaker 2: attacked another citizen with a wheelbrace and hit them, and

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Speaker 2: they hit them on the ground. I mean you are

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Speaker 2: I've got the stumpling that I'm saying with my partner

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty six past one. We're talking about road

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Speaker 3: rage and do we need to settle down a little

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Speaker 3: bit when someone does us wrong on the roads. Sally,

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Speaker 3: You've got a great story.

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Speaker 13: For us, Hi, Yeah, it was probably about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 13: I was I had my one year old daughter and

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Speaker 13: went on to watch my husband play rugby and we

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Speaker 13: jumped in the car. He was obviously still on the field,

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Speaker 13: and we jumped in the car and I pulled out

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Speaker 13: in front of this car. I hadn't seen him, and

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Speaker 13: he suited at me, and that's my reaction. I had

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Speaker 13: He got out of his car. He ran to my

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Speaker 13: my boyfriend and all that. It's really angry, scary, and

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Speaker 13: it was unfortunate to her, really because at the time

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Speaker 13: he obviously wasn't available. So I went to a mates place.

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Speaker 13: Her husband and the firm was still following me, and

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm sorry, we lost you.

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Speaker 2: We lost you for about ten seconds. If you could

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Speaker 2: just go back, so you drove to your husband's friend.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, one of my one of my friends, and her

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Speaker 13: husband was a police officer, as well, and so I

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Speaker 13: drove down their driveway and he obviously decided not to

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Speaker 13: like even a power while I was getting tuck outside

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Speaker 14: I don't know.

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Speaker 13: Six months later, I was good friends of mine had

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Speaker 13: just moved into the same city, and I was pulling

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Speaker 13: up beside me and it's the same guy. What and

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Speaker 13: he just I know, and I'm like, I'm not a

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Speaker 13: bad brother, but I had And I looked at this

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Speaker 13: all good. And I went inside. So my friend stopped

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Speaker 13: and I said, oh God, that guy in that truck,

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Speaker 13: he's the guy that I went to court for for

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Speaker 13: road rage and that, and he said, oh, that's a

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Speaker 13: really really good mate. So as it turned out, I

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Speaker 13: might be to his fortieth birthday, and you know, we

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Speaker 13: sort of seeing him a couple of times. It was

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Speaker 2: What town do you live in, Sally?

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Speaker 13: That was Hamilton?

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Speaker 2: Hamilton, all right, so it's a reasonably big place. If

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Speaker 2: that would that wouldn't be so surprising. But so that

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Speaker 2: sounds like so this guy doesn't sound like he's generally

437
00:19:38,253 --> 00:19:41,453
Speaker 2: speaking a terrible human being. He just got the red mist.

438
00:19:41,533 --> 00:19:43,293
Speaker 2: He just got the rage and lost control.

439
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Speaker 13: Well he unfortunately, as I did find out, he has

440
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Speaker 13: something quite major mental issues at the time and was

441
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Speaker 13: going through really bad times. And yeah, I think it

442
00:19:57,213 --> 00:20:00,453
Speaker 13: was just it was just timing. But it was just

443
00:20:00,653 --> 00:20:05,053
Speaker 13: a pursuit around getting out of his car at the lights,

444
00:20:05,093 --> 00:20:07,133
Speaker 13: and he was very angry at me.

445
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Speaker 15: And it's a it's amazing, Sally to keep because you know,

446
00:20:10,413 --> 00:20:12,533
Speaker 15: it's one thing for people to fire up and get angry,

447
00:20:12,613 --> 00:20:17,333
Speaker 15: but for this this fellow to hold that anger, to

448
00:20:17,813 --> 00:20:19,853
Speaker 15: get out of the car, to pursue you, to just

449
00:20:20,013 --> 00:20:25,173
Speaker 15: hold that anger over just being flipped off for that

450
00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:27,493
Speaker 15: long that I mean that that's the really scary thing

451
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Speaker 15: about how angry people can get.

452
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Speaker 2: They can just burn and burn and burn. Hey, I've

453
00:20:32,373 --> 00:20:34,453
Speaker 2: got a question for you, Sally. Are you still flipping

454
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Speaker 2: people off on the roads?

455
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Speaker 9: No?

456
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Speaker 13: No, no, no, yeah?

457
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Speaker 3: Le on that one.

458
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Speaker 2: Well, you couldn't have a more perfect demonstration of what

459
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about there. And thankfully like Sally had the

460
00:20:50,613 --> 00:20:54,373
Speaker 2: option to go, you know, new people in the police

461
00:20:54,373 --> 00:20:56,893
Speaker 2: force that could drive down their drive because I mean

462
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Speaker 2: that that's that's a question, isn't it? And I love

463
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on eight hundred and eighteen eighty, But what

464
00:21:02,133 --> 00:21:03,853
Speaker 2: do you do with you're being chased by a car?

465
00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:06,813
Speaker 2: You know, you're in the road rad and then maybe

466
00:21:06,853 --> 00:21:09,853
Speaker 2: it's at night, I don't know, but whenever it happens,

467
00:21:10,213 --> 00:21:13,053
Speaker 2: what do you do if you've got a terrifying human

468
00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:15,933
Speaker 2: being and look, whether you are right or wrong in

469
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Speaker 2: the incident or not, or whether you flip them off.

470
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Speaker 2: As this person's getting increasingly angry and chasing you around,

471
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Speaker 2: where do you go? Do you head to the police station?

472
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Speaker 2: I guess you call the cops and then you head

473
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Speaker 2: to the nearest police station.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well something similar happened to me down in

475
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Speaker 3: christ Church. I've told this story before, but i'll mention

476
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Speaker 3: it again. About six months ago, got into a situation

477
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Speaker 3: where the guy was coming from me and I'll tell

478
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Speaker 3: you what I did. It is bang on twenty nine

479
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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylane.

503
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Speaker 2: We're talking about an alleged a road range incident. A

504
00:23:08,533 --> 00:23:10,213
Speaker 2: man was beaten or alleged to be beaten in the

505
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Speaker 2: head with a wheel brace and then kicked and punched

506
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Speaker 2: when he fell on the ground. In this incident, we've

507
00:23:16,933 --> 00:23:19,653
Speaker 2: been talking about road rage and whether we should we

508
00:23:19,653 --> 00:23:21,573
Speaker 2: should be a little bit careful when we start flipping

509
00:23:21,613 --> 00:23:25,613
Speaker 2: people off and behaving in aggressive fashions, even if we're

510
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Speaker 2: in the right. But before we go on, just some

511
00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:32,733
Speaker 2: definition about some definitions about what people are being attacked with.

512
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Speaker 3: Okay, right.

513
00:23:33,453 --> 00:23:36,333
Speaker 2: A tire iron is a tire lever for removing tires

514
00:23:37,173 --> 00:23:39,053
Speaker 2: from a room when you have a puncture. Thanks to

515
00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:41,773
Speaker 2: this text, so there's these definitions. A wheelbrace is what

516
00:23:41,813 --> 00:23:44,453
Speaker 2: you undo the wheel nuts with. There are plenty of

517
00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:47,253
Speaker 2: beats you can carry, like a softball bat or a

518
00:23:47,253 --> 00:23:49,613
Speaker 2: cricket bat, or a ball or a golf club that'll

519
00:23:49,653 --> 00:23:52,493
Speaker 2: do the track. Yeah, okay, okay, thank you, thank you

520
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Speaker 2: for that definition. And before I was talking about the

521
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:57,013
Speaker 2: Goofy cartoon, Disney cartoon about road rage, it was called

522
00:23:57,173 --> 00:23:59,973
Speaker 2: Mister Walker and mister Wheeler. Thanks Terry for that. That

523
00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,533
Speaker 2: was fantastic that cartoon and just how angry we get

524
00:24:02,573 --> 00:24:04,933
Speaker 2: in vehicles compared to what we're like when we're walking

525
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Speaker 2: down the street.

526
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Speaker 3: Was that Goofy getting angry road Yeah?

527
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,253
Speaker 2: Pretty sure. Goofy was the road rage man.

528
00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:11,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

529
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Speaker 2: John.

530
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Speaker 3: You had a bit of road rage with a cyclist

531
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Speaker 3: I did.

532
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Speaker 16: I was out sweeping my front yard as I often do,

533
00:24:25,053 --> 00:24:29,693
Speaker 16: and this liddy cyclist with a child on his back

534
00:24:30,733 --> 00:24:37,893
Speaker 16: came nearly knocked me over. And having spent millions of

535
00:24:37,973 --> 00:24:42,933
Speaker 16: dollars of council money building cycle ways, this guy was

536
00:24:43,013 --> 00:24:46,973
Speaker 16: cycling on the footpath and I chased them with my

537
00:24:47,093 --> 00:24:54,453
Speaker 16: broom and I said, I used the cycle lane while

538
00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:59,253
Speaker 16: it's on the wrong side, he said, And you know,

539
00:24:59,773 --> 00:25:05,133
Speaker 16: I might sound like a grumpy old man. But but

540
00:25:06,333 --> 00:25:10,053
Speaker 16: to what it annoys me that we spend all this

541
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Speaker 16: money building cycle lanes And I actually saw a cyclist

542
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Speaker 16: riding beside the cycle lane on the road.

543
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Speaker 2: John, Were you worried because so you're chasing a guy

544
00:25:20,093 --> 00:25:22,373
Speaker 2: with a broom? Are you not worried that he's going

545
00:25:22,413 --> 00:25:24,653
Speaker 2: to spin backgrounds? Is what we're kind of talking about.

546
00:25:24,693 --> 00:25:26,533
Speaker 2: You may be annoyed, you may be right, you made

547
00:25:26,533 --> 00:25:30,333
Speaker 2: be wrong in a road raid situation, but don't you

548
00:25:30,373 --> 00:25:31,893
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit dangerous to chase this guy

549
00:25:31,893 --> 00:25:33,213
Speaker 2: at the broom. You don't know that he's not going

550
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Speaker 2: to just get off his bike and come back and

551
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Speaker 2: take retribution against you. John.

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Speaker 16: Look, I'll tell you what. When you're when you're eighteen,

553
00:25:41,053 --> 00:25:44,493
Speaker 16: you're invincible, and when you get to eighty two, you

554
00:25:44,653 --> 00:25:46,053
Speaker 16: become invincible again.

555
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Speaker 3: And maybe in your in your brain, John, but the

556
00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:50,693
Speaker 3: body would not agree with that.

557
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Speaker 16: But if he wanted to have a go at me,

558
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Speaker 16: well good luck to him.

559
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Speaker 2: It sounds like you're pretty handy with a broom.

560
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Speaker 16: A lot of cyclists need some education.

561
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, John. Love it, John,

562
00:26:08,973 --> 00:26:11,653
Speaker 2: you see a man with a broom get into your

563
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Speaker 2: cycle lane.

564
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Speaker 3: Shane, how are you?

565
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Speaker 14: Yeah?

566
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Speaker 6: Good mate?

567
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Speaker 8: Good?

568
00:26:16,613 --> 00:26:18,413
Speaker 3: Now what happened? And you had a bit of an

569
00:26:18,453 --> 00:26:20,733
Speaker 3: incident recently, did you No?

570
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Speaker 6: This was probably ten years ago.

571
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Speaker 17: I was a Sparky in a Sparky van.

572
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Speaker 6: And I was driving along and the lane was merging.

573
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Speaker 6: So as we're emerging, I sort of put my foot

574
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Speaker 6: down and we merged in front of this car behind me,

575
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Speaker 6: and then there was roadworks and it came to a stop.

576
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Speaker 6: My window was down and I looked in the mirror

577
00:26:42,933 --> 00:26:45,133
Speaker 6: and there was I saw two young guys in the

578
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Speaker 6: van behind me, and they jumped out of the car

579
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Speaker 6: and then one of the big guys. One went left

580
00:26:52,933 --> 00:26:55,973
Speaker 6: and one went right. My window was down, and he

581
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Speaker 6: came up to my window and I said, you're right,

582
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Speaker 6: and he took a swing of me through the window

583
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Speaker 6: and I pulled away, and then they went back and

584
00:27:04,613 --> 00:27:07,773
Speaker 6: hopped back in their car, and then they started laughing,

585
00:27:08,053 --> 00:27:11,573
Speaker 6: and I was like, what was that about? And then

586
00:27:11,653 --> 00:27:13,933
Speaker 6: I sort of lost it slightly.

587
00:27:14,173 --> 00:27:16,373
Speaker 10: And I thought, I stuff you guys.

588
00:27:16,773 --> 00:27:19,293
Speaker 6: So I put my vand in revert my current reverse,

589
00:27:19,613 --> 00:27:22,653
Speaker 6: and I had bull bars and I smashed into the

590
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:26,533
Speaker 6: front of their car. They pulled out and once the

591
00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:29,813
Speaker 6: traffic started moving, they pulled out and started piling off

592
00:27:29,813 --> 00:27:33,213
Speaker 6: at a million miles an hour and I sort of

593
00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:35,293
Speaker 6: followed them for a bit, but they were going too fast,

594
00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:36,173
Speaker 6: so I left it at that.

595
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, how do you feel about how do

596
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,813
Speaker 2: you feel? Because obviously what they've done is wrong, right,

597
00:27:43,893 --> 00:27:47,573
Speaker 2: and they've gotten ridiculously angry and gotten out, But then

598
00:27:47,773 --> 00:27:49,653
Speaker 2: it sounds like they're sort of joking around as well.

599
00:27:49,773 --> 00:27:53,013
Speaker 2: But how do you feel about how you behave towards that?

600
00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:55,253
Speaker 2: You know, do you do you feel that that was

601
00:27:55,773 --> 00:27:58,253
Speaker 2: that was? That was madness? Yeah?

602
00:27:58,893 --> 00:28:00,133
Speaker 18: But it was a madness.

603
00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:02,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a madness. I shouldn't have done it.

604
00:28:03,133 --> 00:28:05,173
Speaker 6: I just sort of at the point I could see

605
00:28:05,173 --> 00:28:07,853
Speaker 6: them laughing. You know, he took a fierce swing in

606
00:28:07,893 --> 00:28:09,133
Speaker 6: the window, but he missed me.

607
00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:11,973
Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy, and that's to start with, that

608
00:28:12,133 --> 00:28:15,293
Speaker 2: is insane to get out of a car. There hadn't

609
00:28:15,293 --> 00:28:17,413
Speaker 2: there hadn't been any contact at that point, so you've

610
00:28:17,493 --> 00:28:20,653
Speaker 2: just you've just merged in front of them. They've had

611
00:28:20,693 --> 00:28:22,413
Speaker 2: to stop. And to get out of a car and

612
00:28:22,453 --> 00:28:24,933
Speaker 2: take a swing at another citizen that you know nothing

613
00:28:24,933 --> 00:28:29,173
Speaker 2: about is behavior that's massively unhinged behavior.

614
00:28:29,813 --> 00:28:32,653
Speaker 6: And I thought when he was coming up to my window,

615
00:28:32,653 --> 00:28:34,453
Speaker 6: because I didn't see where the other guy went, and

616
00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:36,533
Speaker 6: I looked over and he was on the on the

617
00:28:36,613 --> 00:28:40,093
Speaker 6: left of me, and I thought he was just I

618
00:28:40,213 --> 00:28:42,773
Speaker 6: sort of had no idea that he was gonna I said,

619
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Speaker 6: you're right, mate, and then boom, he took a swing

620
00:28:45,653 --> 00:28:48,013
Speaker 6: and then hop back in their car, and I could

621
00:28:48,053 --> 00:28:50,773
Speaker 6: see them laughing, and I thought, at that point it

622
00:28:50,933 --> 00:28:52,333
Speaker 6: was just a moment of madness.

623
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Speaker 2: They would have been surprised when you are aramped into them.

624
00:28:58,813 --> 00:29:01,573
Speaker 2: But that's the whole thing. Everything escalates and escalates and

625
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,893
Speaker 2: and escalates in these road road situations. So that's what

626
00:29:04,333 --> 00:29:06,173
Speaker 2: I'm sort of saying, whether you're in the right or

627
00:29:06,213 --> 00:29:09,733
Speaker 2: the wrong, we probably need for our own safety to

628
00:29:09,773 --> 00:29:13,613
Speaker 2: find ways to not get so incredibly angry under these situation.

629
00:29:13,733 --> 00:29:16,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there must be something different about road rage.

630
00:29:16,773 --> 00:29:20,373
Speaker 3: Right when you get that red mist and all rationality

631
00:29:20,413 --> 00:29:22,773
Speaker 3: goes out the window. You're not thinking about the consequences

632
00:29:22,773 --> 00:29:25,333
Speaker 3: if you chase someone. You're not thinking about the consequences

633
00:29:25,373 --> 00:29:28,413
Speaker 3: of ramming your car into another car. Yeah, because if

634
00:29:28,453 --> 00:29:30,733
Speaker 3: you were thinking rationally, you'd think, right, I could get

635
00:29:30,813 --> 00:29:32,893
Speaker 3: arrested for this, I could lose everything, I could be

636
00:29:32,973 --> 00:29:33,533
Speaker 3: in courts.

637
00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:35,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all these consequences that you just don't think

638
00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:39,613
Speaker 2: about it. Once you enter the rage, then no consequences

639
00:29:39,613 --> 00:29:43,053
Speaker 2: are thought of. In fact, it is famous quote from Seneca,

640
00:29:43,173 --> 00:29:48,373
Speaker 2: the ancient Roman statesman and philosopher and writer. He wrote

641
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,293
Speaker 2: in his Treatise on Anger. Some have called anger a

642
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:54,253
Speaker 2: short madness, for it as equally devoutive self control, regardless

643
00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:58,453
Speaker 2: of decorum, forgetful of kinship, obstinately engrossed in whatever it

644
00:29:58,493 --> 00:30:01,053
Speaker 2: begins to do, deaf to reason and advice, and so

645
00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:03,013
Speaker 2: it's been around for a very long time. When that

646
00:30:03,053 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 2: comes in, you're not thinking about anything. That's why you've

647
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:06,813
Speaker 2: got to get out of anger as quickly as you can,

648
00:30:06,853 --> 00:30:09,093
Speaker 2: because when you get in, you will do crazy stuff

649
00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:12,253
Speaker 2: once it takes over. That's that's why people talk about

650
00:30:12,253 --> 00:30:15,213
Speaker 2: when when you feel that coming, it seems very very basic,

651
00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:17,413
Speaker 2: but it's what you what your mum probably told you

652
00:30:17,453 --> 00:30:19,533
Speaker 2: to do, which is to count to ten, take a break,

653
00:30:19,693 --> 00:30:23,053
Speaker 2: take some breaths before you react, because you know the

654
00:30:22,733 --> 00:30:26,813
Speaker 2: best the best combat combating, the best way to combat

655
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Speaker 2: anger is delay. So if you can delay before you act,

656
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Speaker 2: as long as you can, then you're likely to allow

657
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Speaker 2: the more modern parts of your brain to come in

658
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Speaker 2: over the primitive parts of your brain and have a

659
00:30:36,973 --> 00:30:39,893
Speaker 2: sensible reaction towards it, because once you're in, it's hard

660
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Speaker 2: to get out of anger. And I've been there. I've

661
00:30:41,813 --> 00:30:45,813
Speaker 2: just been in rageous that that and afterwards you're going, what.

662
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Speaker 3: Did I do? Yeah? What happens again? To that point?

663
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Speaker 2: That's not me.

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Speaker 3: I've flipped over the disk. Yea, yeah, oh, eight hundred

665
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

666
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Speaker 3: is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

668
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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons. You

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00:31:02,693 --> 00:31:07,733
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four you've talked B News Talks B Dave.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

671
00:31:09,373 --> 00:31:10,293
Speaker 10: I'm fine? How are you?

672
00:31:10,813 --> 00:31:11,653
Speaker 3: Very good? Good?

673
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Speaker 2: Thank you. You've had some road rage incidents in your time.

674
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Speaker 10: All the time, all the time. It's just a fact

675
00:31:19,653 --> 00:31:22,813
Speaker 10: of life. I mean, I really like to talk about

676
00:31:24,093 --> 00:31:29,493
Speaker 10: people that drive holding Commodorees and Ford Falcon drivers. They

677
00:31:29,493 --> 00:31:31,213
Speaker 10: are the worst drivers on the road.

678
00:31:32,813 --> 00:31:34,973
Speaker 2: I've talked about I've actually talked about this before, Dave.

679
00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:37,213
Speaker 2: I think the worst drivers on the road are early

680
00:31:37,253 --> 00:31:42,453
Speaker 2: two thousands, Commodore drivers without we will caps on when

681
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Speaker 2: the wiel caps come on. I've seen it so many times.

682
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean it doesn't matter as if it's a

683
00:31:48,413 --> 00:31:52,693
Speaker 10: Falcon with Commodore rooms, commdal rooms. It takes them back

684
00:31:52,733 --> 00:31:56,533
Speaker 10: to their use. It's all about being a hoon. And

685
00:31:56,573 --> 00:32:00,853
Speaker 10: that includes female drivers who drive Falcons as well. They

686
00:32:00,893 --> 00:32:04,213
Speaker 10: feel they're indestructible and they come right up your ass

687
00:32:04,813 --> 00:32:11,613
Speaker 10: and male hold their horn. They're are you there? Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry,

688
00:32:11,773 --> 00:32:14,853
Speaker 10: they'll honk your horn, they'll give you the fingers, they'll

689
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:19,333
Speaker 10: do anything. They'll even spit at you when they win

690
00:32:19,453 --> 00:32:24,293
Speaker 10: their window down. But it helps if you're driving a

691
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Speaker 10: Ford Falcon.

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00:32:25,693 --> 00:32:26,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're part of the game.

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Speaker 10: Commodore, you know, because if they'll never give road rage

694
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Speaker 10: to someone in front who's driving a Commodore or a Falcon.

695
00:32:35,493 --> 00:32:39,133
Speaker 2: I some studies done on this to see what the

696
00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:43,133
Speaker 2: road range vehicles are, what primary road range vehicles are.

697
00:32:43,213 --> 00:32:46,093
Speaker 2: Do you respond though, Dave, do you do you flip

698
00:32:46,133 --> 00:32:46,453
Speaker 2: the bird?

699
00:32:46,493 --> 00:32:46,693
Speaker 10: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you on the horn a lot?

701
00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:49,493
Speaker 9: Well?

702
00:32:49,533 --> 00:32:55,533
Speaker 10: Listen, I used to, but now since two thousand and seventeen,

703
00:32:55,773 --> 00:33:00,533
Speaker 10: I've been taking mood pills right, and this mood pil

704
00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:04,653
Speaker 10: it's called Satrona, and I take half a Satrona every

705
00:33:04,733 --> 00:33:11,373
Speaker 10: morning and it just brings me down to smelling the flowers.

706
00:33:12,173 --> 00:33:14,813
Speaker 3: It sounds like good stuff, Dave, Is it legal satrona?

707
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Speaker 10: Totally? It's totally. You just if someone comes up behind you,

708
00:33:21,013 --> 00:33:25,973
Speaker 10: you just you just I'm like totally relaxed, and I'll

709
00:33:26,053 --> 00:33:29,173
Speaker 10: just give them the thumbs up, you know, nice ones too.

710
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:32,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get away with it.

711
00:33:32,373 --> 00:33:32,573
Speaker 4: Yeah.

712
00:33:32,613 --> 00:33:34,293
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but that's the way we, most of

713
00:33:34,373 --> 00:33:36,853
Speaker 2: us should, because really, what does it matter? I mean

714
00:33:36,933 --> 00:33:38,813
Speaker 2: Tyler was doing before how he sees himself as a

715
00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:41,453
Speaker 2: vigilante out on the roads trying to make people better drivers.

716
00:33:42,413 --> 00:33:46,573
Speaker 2: But weirdly, what does it matter if someone is And

717
00:33:46,693 --> 00:33:48,813
Speaker 2: this is the thing that I've started doing now, Dave,

718
00:33:48,853 --> 00:33:50,733
Speaker 2: as I asked myself if I ever committed that same

719
00:33:50,773 --> 00:33:53,133
Speaker 2: crime before, I get angry and like, I'm a reasonably

720
00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:55,213
Speaker 2: good driver, I think, but everyone thinks they are. But

721
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Speaker 2: a lot of things that I've got angry at before,

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Speaker 2: I have to go, well, I've done that before. I've

723
00:33:59,973 --> 00:34:02,933
Speaker 2: cut people off before, accidentally I've pulled out because I

724
00:34:03,093 --> 00:34:06,373
Speaker 2: wasn't looking right. So if you can ask that first question,

725
00:34:06,493 --> 00:34:09,013
Speaker 2: when have I committed the same crime? And then it's

726
00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:10,373
Speaker 2: hard to be quite as angry.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

728
00:34:12,253 --> 00:34:16,813
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, look at the American drivers. The problem

729
00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:22,173
Speaker 10: with American drivers is that every American may just have

730
00:34:22,293 --> 00:34:24,053
Speaker 10: a gun in their glovebox.

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Speaker 2: Well tell you, I'll tell you what, Dave. I've got

732
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:27,733
Speaker 2: a story. I've got a very good friend of mine

733
00:34:28,213 --> 00:34:30,373
Speaker 2: that was driving in Los Angeles. He lived there for

734
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,253
Speaker 2: a number of years and someone cut him off and

735
00:34:33,293 --> 00:34:35,212
Speaker 2: he gave the guy the bird and a guy pulled

736
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Speaker 2: a glock on him and pointed it out, and yeah,

737
00:34:38,693 --> 00:34:42,533
Speaker 2: my buddy has never put anywhere in the world ever since.

738
00:34:43,693 --> 00:34:45,333
Speaker 2: But that but that's the thing. You don't know how

739
00:34:45,373 --> 00:34:47,813
Speaker 2: crazy the person is in the other car. I mean

740
00:34:48,013 --> 00:34:49,652
Speaker 2: we were saying before, you don't know that that person

741
00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,213
Speaker 2: could have been up for three days on met and

742
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:53,172
Speaker 2: fetamine when you flip them off.

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00:34:53,653 --> 00:34:56,533
Speaker 3: Yeah you go mate.

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00:34:57,253 --> 00:35:00,013
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was just saying, just carry a water pistol.

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00:35:00,453 --> 00:35:02,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, yeah.

746
00:35:02,453 --> 00:35:04,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, get on the Strona and carry a water pistol

747
00:35:04,773 --> 00:35:08,053
Speaker 2: and then you're a hundred percent secure and safe.

748
00:35:07,813 --> 00:35:12,413
Speaker 3: And don't drive. Commodore is the number to call. It

749
00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:15,613
Speaker 3: is eleven to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on madd Heath

751
00:35:21,093 --> 00:35:25,333
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoon News TALKSB News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be we're talking about road rage in New Zealand

753
00:35:27,613 --> 00:35:29,493
Speaker 3: on the back of a pretty horrendous story about a

754
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Speaker 3: driver that was attacked with a wheel brace or a

755
00:35:31,813 --> 00:35:35,573
Speaker 3: tire iron. Diane, you were a taxi driver and got

756
00:35:35,573 --> 00:35:37,573
Speaker 3: abused that that's right.

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00:35:37,693 --> 00:35:41,333
Speaker 19: I was had picked up a passenger head into the airport.

758
00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:43,733
Speaker 19: It was a guy in the front seat of my

759
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:47,293
Speaker 19: wagon and that and we're stopped on Fenltrin Road because

760
00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:51,693
Speaker 19: the barrier was down for a train going along. I

761
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:55,213
Speaker 19: was about the fourth car back from the barrier. A

762
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:58,733
Speaker 19: guy got out of his car about three cars behind me,

763
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Speaker 19: came up to me. I had the window down because

764
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Speaker 19: it was a hot day, and he said to me,

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00:36:05,093 --> 00:36:07,893
Speaker 19: you think you're smart holding up the traffic and he

766
00:36:07,973 --> 00:36:12,093
Speaker 19: thunk me and I told them and I turned to him,

767
00:36:12,293 --> 00:36:14,573
Speaker 19: I said, do that again and I'll drop you. And

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Speaker 19: he turned around and looked walked away.

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Speaker 2: Like he walked up from from from did you say

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Speaker 2: three cars behind you?

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00:36:22,253 --> 00:36:25,093
Speaker 19: Three cars behind me? And the guy that I had

772
00:36:25,613 --> 00:36:28,013
Speaker 19: the passenger, he said, what was that for? I said,

773
00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:30,373
Speaker 19: I wouldn't have a clue. But I thought, well, I

774
00:36:30,413 --> 00:36:32,973
Speaker 19: wasn't going to go through the barrier arms even though

775
00:36:32,973 --> 00:36:35,133
Speaker 19: I was three cars back and that.

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00:36:35,213 --> 00:36:39,293
Speaker 2: But yeah about hell, I'm sorry you finished.

777
00:36:40,053 --> 00:36:42,853
Speaker 19: Yeah, he would have been in the thirties. I was

778
00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:43,933
Speaker 19: about twenty three.

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00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:45,493
Speaker 2: Wow, what a piece.

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Speaker 19: And the guy, he was astounded that he came up.

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00:36:49,653 --> 00:36:52,093
Speaker 19: But when I said, you know, do that again, I'll

782
00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:54,812
Speaker 19: drop you to the guy just came around and walked back.

783
00:36:54,973 --> 00:36:57,093
Speaker 2: But how were you? Was it?

784
00:36:56,853 --> 00:36:56,893
Speaker 5: So?

785
00:36:57,533 --> 00:36:58,732
Speaker 2: What do you get? You got you on the side

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Speaker 2: of the head.

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Speaker 4: Did he No?

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Speaker 19: No, he thumped me on the arm. I had our bow,

789
00:37:03,933 --> 00:37:05,933
Speaker 19: you know, out the window because it was a hot day.

790
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Speaker 3: All right, I thought no one had exactly.

791
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:12,933
Speaker 2: Well, we'll good on you for sticking up for yourself,

792
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:16,933
Speaker 2: But also, I guess you've got to decide in those

793
00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:20,053
Speaker 2: situations what you're going to do, because we don't know

794
00:37:20,093 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 2: how psychotic that person is. Yeah, and so you know,

795
00:37:24,213 --> 00:37:27,773
Speaker 2: things could go really, really wrong. But what kind of

796
00:37:27,773 --> 00:37:30,093
Speaker 2: person comes up to a twenty three year old A

797
00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:31,692
Speaker 2: thirty year old man comes up to a twenty three

798
00:37:31,733 --> 00:37:33,973
Speaker 2: year old woman and thumps them. Yeah, I mean that's

799
00:37:34,013 --> 00:37:36,013
Speaker 2: the kind of people. There's people like that out there

800
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:37,053
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

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00:37:37,573 --> 00:37:39,652
Speaker 3: Would you now, when you're in the in the card

802
00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:41,933
Speaker 3: I am, would you still be as bulshy if someone

803
00:37:42,053 --> 00:37:43,453
Speaker 3: came up to your window? Would you say, I'm going

804
00:37:43,493 --> 00:37:44,772
Speaker 3: to drop you if you don't bugger off.

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00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:49,293
Speaker 19: I've never been bolshy, and I've been driving and that,

806
00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:52,813
Speaker 19: but you know, I was only driving till the Commonwealth Games.

807
00:37:52,893 --> 00:37:55,813
Speaker 19: You know, I started and that. But I know you

808
00:37:55,853 --> 00:37:57,853
Speaker 19: get idiots on the road that cut you off and

809
00:37:57,933 --> 00:38:01,772
Speaker 19: think they're clever and yeah and that. But I thought, oh, well,

810
00:38:02,373 --> 00:38:04,613
Speaker 19: you know they like to speed like that and carry on.

811
00:38:04,733 --> 00:38:08,533
Speaker 19: We'll know, but yeah, you don't know what they're other

812
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:11,493
Speaker 19: person's going to do a few reacts so they keep

813
00:38:11,573 --> 00:38:12,293
Speaker 19: calm and cool.

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Speaker 2: You're good on your Dianea, thank you so much for

815
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Speaker 2: your call. So someone here has just chicked through a

816
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:19,453
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. The suggestion of carrying a water

817
00:38:19,573 --> 00:38:21,573
Speaker 2: pistol is the most stupid thing you can possibly do. Yeah,

818
00:38:21,573 --> 00:38:24,133
Speaker 2: the guy was joking. Yeah, No one's suggesting that that's

819
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:27,053
Speaker 2: a sensible way to deal with things. To pull, especially

820
00:38:27,053 --> 00:38:29,093
Speaker 2: a realistic water pistol, would be a bad thing to use.

821
00:38:29,213 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean Dave was pretty zin on his

822
00:38:31,093 --> 00:38:32,093
Speaker 3: what was it serotonin?

823
00:38:32,173 --> 00:38:37,413
Speaker 2: No, what was it? It was seroutine? It was Yeah, I

824
00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:38,173
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was.

825
00:38:38,613 --> 00:38:41,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he hated commodorees, which we may raise this

826
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:43,613
Speaker 3: question as we go into the news man.

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00:38:43,893 --> 00:38:45,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Okay, So there's been a lot of

828
00:38:45,613 --> 00:38:47,973
Speaker 2: suggestions coming through and what are the most road Rageye,

829
00:38:48,053 --> 00:38:50,933
Speaker 2: vehicles like drivers that are the most raid ragie makes

830
00:38:50,933 --> 00:38:53,652
Speaker 2: and models. So if you've got thoughts on that, nine

831
00:38:53,693 --> 00:38:56,933
Speaker 2: two nine two. A lot of people texting Ford Rangers.

832
00:38:57,093 --> 00:38:58,692
Speaker 2: I drive a Ford Ranger for a long time.

833
00:38:58,773 --> 00:39:00,573
Speaker 3: Were you're an angry man Ford Ranger?

834
00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:03,013
Speaker 2: Ah? I was an angrier man than I am. Now

835
00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:06,013
Speaker 2: I've sorted out my angry issues. But maybe that's just

836
00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:09,013
Speaker 2: the sheer amount of Ford Rangers that are on the wrote. Yeah,

837
00:39:09,253 --> 00:39:11,373
Speaker 2: it means a lot of them. I mean there is

838
00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:13,172
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of food Rangers out there.

839
00:39:13,493 --> 00:39:17,333
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty bike riders, they're

840
00:39:17,373 --> 00:39:19,253
Speaker 3: pretty ragy. They have to all race.

841
00:39:19,413 --> 00:39:21,333
Speaker 2: Well, let's sept your thoughts on all vehicles.

842
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:23,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get into this after the news coming up

843
00:39:23,693 --> 00:39:26,453
Speaker 3: very shortly. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What are

844
00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:28,893
Speaker 3: the makes and models of the worst drivers or the

845
00:39:28,893 --> 00:39:30,653
Speaker 3: ones that rage the most.

846
00:39:30,853 --> 00:39:33,693
Speaker 2: Yeh, and have you learned to cool your road rage anger?

847
00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:37,613
Speaker 3: New Sport and where they're coming up? It is four

848
00:39:37,653 --> 00:39:40,253
Speaker 3: minutes to two. Just a reminder, after three point thirty

849
00:39:40,253 --> 00:39:42,933
Speaker 3: we're going to be talking to Professor Karen Stockton, a

850
00:39:43,293 --> 00:39:46,013
Speaker 3: expert in Wales stranding. So if you've got any questions

851
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:46,933
Speaker 3: for it, let.

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00:39:46,933 --> 00:39:48,853
Speaker 2: Us know yes and through nine two nine two and

853
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:49,333
Speaker 2: we'll put.

854
00:39:49,173 --> 00:39:52,172
Speaker 3: Them to earth yep. It is four minutes to two.

855
00:39:52,173 --> 00:39:53,853
Speaker 3: Beagvery shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

856
00:39:53,853 --> 00:40:14,253
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, talking with you all afternoon.

857
00:40:14,453 --> 00:40:18,333
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty

858
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Speaker 1: four News Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoons you welcome back into the show. Mett and

860
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Speaker 3: Tyler with you on till four.

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Speaker 2: We're having such a fantastic chat on road rage, fantastic

862
00:40:28,533 --> 00:40:32,093
Speaker 2: but terrifying that we continuing on into the two o'clock hour.

863
00:40:32,613 --> 00:40:35,173
Speaker 2: This was all kicked off by a man being allegedly

864
00:40:35,213 --> 00:40:37,773
Speaker 2: beaten in the head with a wheelbrace, then kicked and

865
00:40:37,853 --> 00:40:40,253
Speaker 2: punched when he fell on the ground in an Auckland

866
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:45,133
Speaker 2: road rage attack. His coworker said that the guy suffered

867
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Speaker 2: broken ribs.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 2: Plice are hunting for the man believed to be responsible,

870
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Speaker 2: as the coworker said, the guy that was beside him

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Speaker 2: in the van, the guy that got been said, I

872
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:56,773
Speaker 2: think regardless of what has or hasn't happened, it doesn't

873
00:40:56,773 --> 00:41:00,093
Speaker 2: really justify beating someone to pop with a real brace.

874
00:41:00,653 --> 00:41:04,692
Speaker 2: And that's sort of the thing for me. It's how

875
00:41:04,813 --> 00:41:07,253
Speaker 2: risky it is out there. So we can get angry

876
00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:08,733
Speaker 2: on the roads and we can flip I'm on off,

877
00:41:08,813 --> 00:41:10,373
Speaker 2: or we can yell at them, or we can use

878
00:41:10,413 --> 00:41:12,853
Speaker 2: the horn and anger. I personally believe never used the

879
00:41:12,853 --> 00:41:15,413
Speaker 2: horn and the anger. Never never use the horn and anger.

880
00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:16,212
Speaker 3: Yes, an anger.

881
00:41:17,973 --> 00:41:20,293
Speaker 2: It's a warning thing. So it's about to accident, You

882
00:41:20,533 --> 00:41:23,733
Speaker 2: reverse into your beep and a little the most gentlest parp.

883
00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:26,693
Speaker 2: When someone hasn't when someone hasn't pulled out at the lights.

884
00:41:27,013 --> 00:41:28,732
Speaker 2: If you get on someone hasn't pulled out the lights

885
00:41:28,733 --> 00:41:32,013
Speaker 2: and you get on the end, you don't know that

886
00:41:32,013 --> 00:41:34,013
Speaker 2: that person in front of you hasn't been up for

887
00:41:34,093 --> 00:41:37,853
Speaker 2: three days on myth and fetamine, has slightly zoned out

888
00:41:37,893 --> 00:41:39,453
Speaker 2: on the wheel, hasn't pulled out and he's going to

889
00:41:39,453 --> 00:41:41,253
Speaker 2: come at you with a wheel brace. So you've just

890
00:41:41,253 --> 00:41:43,853
Speaker 2: got to be very careful at the anger you throw

891
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:46,533
Speaker 2: out there because it can come back at you multi,

892
00:41:46,773 --> 00:41:49,333
Speaker 2: multi times. And the other thing with it is, look,

893
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:52,093
Speaker 2: whether you're right or wrong, that doesn't make any difference

894
00:41:52,093 --> 00:41:54,093
Speaker 2: when some psycho comes at you with a wheel brace,

895
00:41:54,133 --> 00:41:54,373
Speaker 2: does it.

896
00:41:54,493 --> 00:41:56,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to really ruin your day. If you

897
00:41:56,493 --> 00:41:59,213
Speaker 3: thought it being cut in front of ruined your day,

898
00:41:59,453 --> 00:42:01,453
Speaker 3: having someone come after you with a wheel brace is

899
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:02,732
Speaker 3: certainly going to make your day worse.

900
00:42:02,813 --> 00:42:05,253
Speaker 2: So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty do we need

901
00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 2: to calm down on the roads? What can we do

902
00:42:07,013 --> 00:42:09,053
Speaker 2: to calm down on the roads, and also just to

903
00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:12,652
Speaker 2: terrify people into realizing the risks out there. We'd love

904
00:42:12,693 --> 00:42:16,533
Speaker 2: to hear your stories of terrible road rage incidents you've experienced.

905
00:42:16,533 --> 00:42:19,613
Speaker 2: In a secondary question we were running was the makes

906
00:42:19,613 --> 00:42:23,933
Speaker 2: and models of the most road rage ye drivers The

907
00:42:23,973 --> 00:42:27,373
Speaker 2: cars are most likely to have road rages in them.

908
00:42:27,773 --> 00:42:31,893
Speaker 2: And look, this is an unscientific study, but the big

909
00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:35,373
Speaker 2: three here some Texas nine, two, big sunglasses, small dog,

910
00:42:35,533 --> 00:42:39,453
Speaker 2: large suv. Biggest roads rages are ford ranges on lift

911
00:42:39,533 --> 00:42:44,493
Speaker 2: kits and big wheels. Someone says Ford ranges. Again, the

912
00:42:44,533 --> 00:42:49,733
Speaker 2: worst road rage drivers are preus drivers Ford rangers. I

913
00:42:49,773 --> 00:42:52,133
Speaker 2: think this might be that this might be it's the

914
00:42:52,133 --> 00:42:55,093
Speaker 2: classic thing with stats. Yeah, there's a lot of road

915
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,173
Speaker 2: Ford ranges out there was a lot of press is

916
00:42:57,293 --> 00:43:00,893
Speaker 2: out there, so statistically you're going to experience more rage incidentce.

917
00:43:00,933 --> 00:43:03,853
Speaker 2: Someone here says Tesla's I haven't seen too many Tesla

918
00:43:03,893 --> 00:43:07,333
Speaker 2: based road range Audi drivers. A lot of people saying

919
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:10,253
Speaker 2: Audi drivers I find out he is difficult to drive

920
00:43:10,493 --> 00:43:13,413
Speaker 2: because I feel like they don't have the same visibility

921
00:43:13,493 --> 00:43:15,333
Speaker 2: as as other vehicles.

922
00:43:15,373 --> 00:43:18,173
Speaker 3: Small windows. They do have small windows, don't they doesn't

923
00:43:18,213 --> 00:43:20,293
Speaker 3: make an Audi driver more than consider I suppose.

924
00:43:20,013 --> 00:43:23,893
Speaker 2: It does not time because they can see less, hard

925
00:43:23,933 --> 00:43:25,293
Speaker 2: to back an outing. I mean, and if you're an

926
00:43:25,293 --> 00:43:26,733
Speaker 2: Audi driver, you might want to stick up for here.

927
00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:28,533
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just talking about one Audi that that

928
00:43:28,613 --> 00:43:30,613
Speaker 2: I used to drive. I had small windows. I felt

929
00:43:30,653 --> 00:43:31,853
Speaker 2: like I was driving a tank.

930
00:43:32,813 --> 00:43:36,413
Speaker 3: One here Honda Odyssey, red lights, no indicating wrong side

931
00:43:36,453 --> 00:43:39,853
Speaker 3: of the road, overtaking, parked in handicap parking. I mean,

932
00:43:39,853 --> 00:43:41,732
Speaker 3: that's a lot of allegations. I think there's just one

933
00:43:42,613 --> 00:43:45,373
Speaker 3: hang on. My dad drives and he drives the friendly

934
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:47,333
Speaker 3: ray does he does? He stop at red lights?

935
00:43:48,453 --> 00:43:51,013
Speaker 2: Look, he drives very carefully, But you don't want to

936
00:43:51,013 --> 00:43:53,493
Speaker 2: tailgate him. Boy, he is he is not a fan

937
00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:55,812
Speaker 2: of tailgaters. My dad, he's a good man. Two weeks

938
00:43:55,813 --> 00:43:57,533
Speaker 2: out from a trip on the road, he'll start talking

939
00:43:57,573 --> 00:43:59,573
Speaker 2: about the tailgators that might potentially annoy him.

940
00:44:00,533 --> 00:44:02,573
Speaker 3: Rob, you've got a bit of a wild story about

941
00:44:02,613 --> 00:44:04,133
Speaker 3: road rage.

942
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:04,533
Speaker 8: Mate.

943
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:09,893
Speaker 7: During the week, I had my boy, my son and

944
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:13,213
Speaker 7: the car and my mate and two young passed me

945
00:44:13,293 --> 00:44:19,333
Speaker 7: through one screen and make jave, what are you going

946
00:44:19,413 --> 00:44:23,893
Speaker 7: to do? You don't actually do stock car racing. So

947
00:44:25,213 --> 00:44:27,813
Speaker 7: I went up, I went up in the face to them,

948
00:44:27,813 --> 00:44:32,893
Speaker 7: pulled out and I noticed this back right hand bumper

949
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:34,413
Speaker 7: and sprung them around.

950
00:44:36,613 --> 00:44:41,773
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So so was this just a completely unprovoked attack?

951
00:44:41,853 --> 00:44:44,172
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no justification for having a beer bottle

952
00:44:44,213 --> 00:44:46,453
Speaker 2: at someone's wind screen. But did you had no interaction

953
00:44:46,493 --> 00:44:48,173
Speaker 2: with them before that?

954
00:44:48,573 --> 00:44:51,172
Speaker 7: I was just greeting and he it's when he passed

955
00:44:51,213 --> 00:44:54,133
Speaker 7: me through the beer bottle and Rob.

956
00:44:54,053 --> 00:44:56,453
Speaker 2: So when you you know you had some skills and

957
00:44:56,453 --> 00:44:59,893
Speaker 2: and you use them, you know what what happened?

958
00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:00,053
Speaker 7: Then?

959
00:45:00,053 --> 00:45:01,133
Speaker 2: So you nuts in the back of the car and

960
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:03,733
Speaker 2: you spun them around? What even then? I just.

961
00:45:05,213 --> 00:45:07,733
Speaker 7: Greezed on the way home, just left and springing around?

962
00:45:09,093 --> 00:45:09,333
Speaker 9: Has it?

963
00:45:09,733 --> 00:45:12,252
Speaker 2: And how did you feel about that? Do you feel

964
00:45:12,253 --> 00:45:13,973
Speaker 2: like that was the right thing to do? Or do

965
00:45:14,013 --> 00:45:16,013
Speaker 2: you got the red mist and you'd gone way further

966
00:45:16,053 --> 00:45:16,893
Speaker 2: than you think you should have.

967
00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:22,133
Speaker 7: I was singing off, my was my my young follow

968
00:45:22,173 --> 00:45:22,493
Speaker 7: in the car?

969
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:22,973
Speaker 2: Yeah?

970
00:45:24,253 --> 00:45:25,893
Speaker 3: If he was, if he wasn't with you, robbed, do

971
00:45:25,893 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 3: you reckon? You would have spun him out? Do you reckon?

972
00:45:27,893 --> 00:45:30,653
Speaker 3: You would have stopped and carried on? Was escalating to

973
00:45:30,693 --> 00:45:31,053
Speaker 3: that point?

974
00:45:31,093 --> 00:45:31,253
Speaker 14: You know?

975
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:32,013
Speaker 3: The old red Mist?

976
00:45:33,773 --> 00:45:38,813
Speaker 7: Oh stopped you very sack and I reckon, I would

977
00:45:38,853 --> 00:45:40,573
Speaker 7: have RANDI staris with my calf?

978
00:45:41,933 --> 00:45:43,813
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean And how long ago was this?

979
00:45:43,893 --> 00:45:44,093
Speaker 9: Rob?

980
00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:46,292
Speaker 7: This is two years ago?

981
00:45:46,533 --> 00:45:49,812
Speaker 2: Two years ago? So do you do you think that

982
00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:52,373
Speaker 2: that you do you look at that and go that

983
00:45:52,493 --> 00:45:54,773
Speaker 2: was crazy, that I shouldn't have done that? Or do

984
00:45:54,813 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 2: you think that you were justified in doing that?

985
00:45:58,093 --> 00:45:58,293
Speaker 20: Wow?

986
00:45:59,373 --> 00:46:00,613
Speaker 7: I know really because.

987
00:46:02,373 --> 00:46:03,133
Speaker 18: Of my young fellow.

988
00:46:04,933 --> 00:46:07,293
Speaker 7: And I went home and told the wife I did

989
00:46:08,173 --> 00:46:13,293
Speaker 7: if you did say anything, yeah.

990
00:46:13,373 --> 00:46:15,013
Speaker 2: Well it's a hell of a story.

991
00:46:15,133 --> 00:46:16,653
Speaker 3: It is a story.

992
00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:18,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you so much. For your call.

993
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:18,773
Speaker 10: Rob.

994
00:46:18,893 --> 00:46:22,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'd say to that, you know that

995
00:46:22,173 --> 00:46:25,573
Speaker 2: the throwing of the bottle of the windscreen insanity, like

996
00:46:25,813 --> 00:46:33,093
Speaker 2: absolute insanity. But then if you respond equally, then things

997
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:35,813
Speaker 2: can go so very very badly.

998
00:46:36,053 --> 00:46:39,173
Speaker 3: Exactly, I've had some skills, So he said to do

999
00:46:39,253 --> 00:46:42,453
Speaker 3: the old dukes of hazard tailspin. But if that car

1000
00:46:42,613 --> 00:46:44,253
Speaker 3: spun off the side of the.

1001
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:47,973
Speaker 2: Road, yeah, yeah, that's right, and then then you're you know,

1002
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:50,533
Speaker 2: they've done something bad, and then suddenly you're the bad

1003
00:46:50,573 --> 00:46:53,253
Speaker 2: person and you're on the hook for it. So you

1004
00:46:53,293 --> 00:46:54,693
Speaker 2: got to do what your mum used to tell you

1005
00:46:54,733 --> 00:46:56,813
Speaker 2: to do, counter ten before you react. Just got to

1006
00:46:56,853 --> 00:46:58,453
Speaker 2: do what's best for you, what's going to have the

1007
00:46:58,493 --> 00:47:01,453
Speaker 2: best possible outcome from you, And that might just be

1008
00:47:01,613 --> 00:47:05,213
Speaker 2: even if these guys are absolute dickheads and deserve everything

1009
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:07,173
Speaker 2: they get for smashing the bottle on your wind screen,

1010
00:47:07,493 --> 00:47:09,213
Speaker 2: you might just have to go I'm just going to

1011
00:47:09,253 --> 00:47:10,733
Speaker 2: have to wear that and do what's right for me

1012
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:13,933
Speaker 2: and my kid and just get home safely. And hopefully,

1013
00:47:14,653 --> 00:47:17,413
Speaker 2: you know, people that behave that crazily, they'll get theirs.

1014
00:47:17,493 --> 00:47:18,813
Speaker 2: I mean, call the cops.

1015
00:47:19,013 --> 00:47:22,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, text here you've upset the Audi drivers Matt,

1016
00:47:22,653 --> 00:47:26,252
Speaker 3: what rubbish. Never get agro when driving my Audi A four,

1017
00:47:26,733 --> 00:47:28,453
Speaker 3: But no one can catch me when I've beat them

1018
00:47:28,453 --> 00:47:29,053
Speaker 3: from Sharon.

1019
00:47:31,133 --> 00:47:33,692
Speaker 2: Oh boy, the yeah, the the the Audi drivers coming

1020
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:36,093
Speaker 2: in Matt. Whatever germ and car you're driving is basically

1021
00:47:36,093 --> 00:47:37,653
Speaker 2: a tank, but in a good way.

1022
00:47:38,213 --> 00:47:40,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep those teaks coming through on nine to nine

1023
00:47:41,053 --> 00:47:43,692
Speaker 3: and eight hundred and eighty ten eighty number to call.

1024
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:45,293
Speaker 2: But not in a good way. Yeah, I see you're

1025
00:47:45,293 --> 00:47:49,893
Speaker 2: going back to the history. Oh gotcha, I've totally misunderstood that. Yeah,

1026
00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:52,253
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, you look into the origins a lot

1027
00:47:52,253 --> 00:47:54,253
Speaker 2: of German cars and they'll take you right back to

1028
00:47:54,253 --> 00:47:55,493
Speaker 2: some interesting times in the history.

1029
00:47:55,533 --> 00:47:59,213
Speaker 3: It's sure very good. It's fourteen past two.

1030
00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:02,933
Speaker 1: You're a new home of Afternoon torm and Ethen Taylor

1031
00:48:03,013 --> 00:48:07,093
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

1032
00:48:07,013 --> 00:48:10,813
Speaker 3: Said, be you talk, ZB we're talking about road rage

1033
00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:13,373
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. The Kiwi's a little bit more prone

1034
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:16,212
Speaker 3: to road rage than other countries in the world.

1035
00:48:16,453 --> 00:48:17,893
Speaker 2: I need the second half of the story. I've been

1036
00:48:17,933 --> 00:48:20,493
Speaker 2: left on tenderhawks by this text on nineteen nine two, Hia,

1037
00:48:20,493 --> 00:48:23,853
Speaker 2: It's Jim. I was driving on the Highway. Yesterday at roadworks,

1038
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:26,732
Speaker 2: four wheel drive past me doing eighty, got big rock

1039
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:29,613
Speaker 2: in my window. I calmed down, got glass cover with AA.

1040
00:48:29,933 --> 00:48:32,573
Speaker 2: Then when I came home on the saddle road, truck

1041
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:34,853
Speaker 2: in front of me had a stop signed. Truck went

1042
00:48:34,893 --> 00:48:37,172
Speaker 2: through the stop sign and thought, what the And then

1043
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:40,533
Speaker 2: there's not the story. What he's given me half the

1044
00:48:40,533 --> 00:48:42,853
Speaker 2: story he's left me on tenderhowks So Jim, if you're listening,

1045
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:44,293
Speaker 2: can you finish that story for me?

1046
00:48:45,093 --> 00:48:49,252
Speaker 3: Phil you're a Holden driver, Yeah, mate, early old early

1047
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:52,933
Speaker 3: two thousands, so dave a little bit earlier our last hour.

1048
00:48:53,053 --> 00:48:56,973
Speaker 2: You got smirched that Holden drivers early two thousand. Hold

1049
00:48:57,133 --> 00:48:58,533
Speaker 2: drivers are the most road rageie.

1050
00:48:59,453 --> 00:49:01,573
Speaker 8: Yeah, not true.

1051
00:49:03,653 --> 00:49:05,373
Speaker 2: It did seem like a wild generalization.

1052
00:49:06,573 --> 00:49:07,013
Speaker 21: It was.

1053
00:49:07,253 --> 00:49:08,453
Speaker 22: I had a laugh about it.

1054
00:49:09,053 --> 00:49:12,413
Speaker 23: But the funny story is about fifteen years ago, I

1055
00:49:12,453 --> 00:49:14,653
Speaker 23: was coming home from work and I was working Hornby

1056
00:49:14,693 --> 00:49:18,333
Speaker 23: and I live in Brighton and coming down Graham's Road,

1057
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:22,573
Speaker 23: Graham Road merges into one lane just like Memorial Abs Yep,

1058
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:26,973
Speaker 23: mirrors behind me over on their sweet merged in the

1059
00:49:27,013 --> 00:49:27,933
Speaker 23: lane quite comfortable.

1060
00:49:27,933 --> 00:49:28,573
Speaker 14: I was on my own.

1061
00:49:29,093 --> 00:49:32,253
Speaker 23: All of a sudden there's a horn flashing people behind

1062
00:49:32,253 --> 00:49:35,293
Speaker 23: me you headlights flashing and the fist being waved and

1063
00:49:35,413 --> 00:49:36,772
Speaker 23: it was a four falcon driver.

1064
00:49:40,093 --> 00:49:42,613
Speaker 2: Well that's the other side of the story he was saying,

1065
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:46,493
Speaker 2: was that what's what what? What year? Roughly was this falcon?

1066
00:49:48,013 --> 00:49:51,812
Speaker 23: It's probably about the same age as mind about five,

1067
00:49:51,853 --> 00:49:52,373
Speaker 23: both years.

1068
00:49:52,693 --> 00:49:54,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, trouble, trouble.

1069
00:49:54,533 --> 00:49:57,933
Speaker 23: Yeah yeah, flat yeah, actually blew.

1070
00:49:59,973 --> 00:50:01,773
Speaker 3: So it wasn't even how you're driving, fell, He just

1071
00:50:01,813 --> 00:50:04,333
Speaker 3: saw the you're holding and thought how dare he drive

1072
00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:04,773
Speaker 3: a holding?

1073
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:05,853
Speaker 7: Oh?

1074
00:50:06,093 --> 00:50:10,093
Speaker 23: Yeah, the way we need five. He chased me from

1075
00:50:10,253 --> 00:50:13,173
Speaker 23: there all the way down to Northfolk Road and I

1076
00:50:13,213 --> 00:50:15,773
Speaker 23: got stuck in traffic, so I was bumping a bumper

1077
00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 23: and he comes flying down inside of me, parks up,

1078
00:50:20,173 --> 00:50:21,853
Speaker 23: comes over and I will have my windows, say what's

1079
00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:25,093
Speaker 23: your problem? He goes, what's your bit bit by problem?

1080
00:50:25,293 --> 00:50:27,373
Speaker 23: And I said what do you mean? He goes, do

1081
00:50:27,413 --> 00:50:30,413
Speaker 23: you cut me off? I said, no way, You'll just

1082
00:50:30,493 --> 00:50:34,933
Speaker 23: afford wanted to get in front of a holden. Then

1083
00:50:34,933 --> 00:50:36,733
Speaker 23: he decides to have a garment. I saw him look

1084
00:50:36,773 --> 00:50:39,253
Speaker 23: down at my keys that he was going to grab them,

1085
00:50:39,493 --> 00:50:41,413
Speaker 23: and then he decides to punch me in the face.

1086
00:50:41,693 --> 00:50:44,293
Speaker 2: Oh so you're still You're still in the you're still

1087
00:50:44,293 --> 00:50:46,093
Speaker 2: sitting in your behind the wheel at this point.

1088
00:50:46,773 --> 00:50:50,733
Speaker 23: Yeah, I was stuck in traffic, and yeah, he pushed

1089
00:50:50,773 --> 00:50:52,173
Speaker 23: me in the face, and I thought, well, do I

1090
00:50:52,213 --> 00:50:54,692
Speaker 23: get out now and chase a room smack him over,

1091
00:50:55,213 --> 00:50:58,013
Speaker 23: or should I pull over and chase them? I thought,

1092
00:50:58,013 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 23: if I do that, there's no way, Hick, I'm going

1093
00:51:00,293 --> 00:51:01,453
Speaker 23: to get back into traffic.

1094
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:02,213
Speaker 14: So I let him go.

1095
00:51:03,013 --> 00:51:04,732
Speaker 23: The thing is he was about four foot and nothing,

1096
00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:08,293
Speaker 23: so he had a rage of small men syndrome issues.

1097
00:51:09,453 --> 00:51:13,252
Speaker 2: So yeah, well you know see what I'd say to that, though,

1098
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:16,773
Speaker 2: it's like a and completely insane. If if you have

1099
00:51:16,853 --> 00:51:18,573
Speaker 2: got out of your car and you're coming over and

1100
00:51:18,613 --> 00:51:23,133
Speaker 2: you're punching someone through the window, then you have you've

1101
00:51:23,173 --> 00:51:25,373
Speaker 2: got to take a second and go I have lost

1102
00:51:25,413 --> 00:51:29,533
Speaker 2: my freaking mind. And I know when that rage takes over,

1103
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:32,093
Speaker 2: you don't have those thoughts, do you? But no, But

1104
00:51:32,333 --> 00:51:34,413
Speaker 2: but that's what that's what I say. Boy, it just

1105
00:51:34,613 --> 00:51:36,573
Speaker 2: take a few breaths if you can. If you feel

1106
00:51:36,573 --> 00:51:39,333
Speaker 2: the red miss coming on, just count to ten. Yeah,

1107
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:42,013
Speaker 2: take a few resk but but you But equally, if

1108
00:51:42,053 --> 00:51:44,093
Speaker 2: you've gotten out of the car and you said those

1109
00:51:44,133 --> 00:51:45,773
Speaker 2: two options of what you could have done to him

1110
00:51:45,773 --> 00:51:48,933
Speaker 2: and retaliated. That's just going to make your life worse. Phil.

1111
00:51:49,053 --> 00:51:51,373
Speaker 2: I mean, you might teach this four foot guy a

1112
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,453
Speaker 2: lesson maybe, but who cares about him. You've got to

1113
00:51:54,453 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 2: do what's right for your life, which is just go

1114
00:51:56,253 --> 00:51:58,533
Speaker 2: on with your life and let him be a freaking

1115
00:51:58,613 --> 00:52:00,373
Speaker 2: psycho and a Ford Falcon.

1116
00:52:01,293 --> 00:52:04,053
Speaker 23: Yeah yeah, because he did say, yeah, you did ask

1117
00:52:04,093 --> 00:52:09,093
Speaker 23: you why puts on the birds as well? You're that

1118
00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:13,813
Speaker 23: feaing your life, mate, Yeah, And so I thought that

1119
00:52:13,893 --> 00:52:17,692
Speaker 23: was a bit okay. Yeah, And when you I thought

1120
00:52:17,693 --> 00:52:20,413
Speaker 23: about ringing you and then all of a sudden, you

1121
00:52:20,533 --> 00:52:22,293
Speaker 23: guys talk about Holdens and Falcons.

1122
00:52:23,973 --> 00:52:28,652
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that that rivalries in the It's flatlining now,

1123
00:52:28,693 --> 00:52:30,693
Speaker 2: isn't it with the disappearance of Holden's unfortunately.

1124
00:52:30,813 --> 00:52:33,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but no, Phil, thank you very much mate.

1125
00:52:33,893 --> 00:52:35,573
Speaker 3: And clearly, as you said, I think Phil played that

1126
00:52:35,653 --> 00:52:37,213
Speaker 3: right there. He was still in the right frame of

1127
00:52:37,253 --> 00:52:39,133
Speaker 3: mind to think, if I chase this feller, I'm going

1128
00:52:39,173 --> 00:52:40,652
Speaker 3: to lose my place in traffic, and I want to

1129
00:52:40,653 --> 00:52:42,973
Speaker 3: get home to my lovely wife and family. That's the

1130
00:52:43,013 --> 00:52:47,093
Speaker 3: way to play it, right. Rather than take on this midget, you.

1131
00:52:47,213 --> 00:52:49,652
Speaker 2: Got to do what's right for you. You can't be

1132
00:52:49,773 --> 00:52:52,973
Speaker 2: like you were saying before, Tyler, a road vigilante, a

1133
00:52:53,013 --> 00:52:56,453
Speaker 2: batman out there trying to teach people lessons, A terrible vigilante.

1134
00:52:56,493 --> 00:52:58,133
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, I always, I always stop a nothing.

1135
00:52:58,493 --> 00:53:00,893
Speaker 2: You've got to control your age and have the best

1136
00:53:00,893 --> 00:53:03,533
Speaker 2: possible outcome for you. Otherwise you end up in a

1137
00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:05,853
Speaker 2: Will Smith situation at the oscars where you let your

1138
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:08,253
Speaker 2: age take over and you go on, you slap Chriss Rock,

1139
00:53:08,373 --> 00:53:11,693
Speaker 2: and then your careers over. You know that's the situation

1140
00:53:11,693 --> 00:53:13,693
Speaker 2: when we are at any given time I Will Smith.

1141
00:53:13,733 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 2: Then it seems like a vacuous example. But Will Smith

1142
00:53:16,373 --> 00:53:18,373
Speaker 2: could go back in time, he would have stayed in

1143
00:53:18,413 --> 00:53:21,853
Speaker 2: that seat rather than walking up, slapping Chriss Rock and

1144
00:53:21,933 --> 00:53:26,093
Speaker 2: destroying his career just through a stupid amount of red mist.

1145
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:29,652
Speaker 3: Don't be a Will Smith. Absolutely. It is twenty two

1146
00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:31,573
Speaker 3: past two. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1147
00:53:31,573 --> 00:53:33,533
Speaker 3: the number to cool. Love to hear from.

1148
00:53:33,293 --> 00:53:41,653
Speaker 1: You, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1149
00:53:41,733 --> 00:53:43,613
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news talk z'd be.

1150
00:53:44,213 --> 00:53:48,213
Speaker 2: We're talking road rage incidents. After a horrific one in Auckland,

1151
00:53:48,213 --> 00:53:52,773
Speaker 2: over the last wee while Horrible, a person was attacked

1152
00:53:52,933 --> 00:53:58,013
Speaker 2: with a wheelbrace and hit on the ground. Aaron, your

1153
00:53:58,253 --> 00:54:02,253
Speaker 2: your your thoughts on road rage drivers and particularly what

1154
00:54:02,253 --> 00:54:03,533
Speaker 2: what kinds of vehicles they drive.

1155
00:54:06,093 --> 00:54:10,093
Speaker 18: Look, I'm quite lucky. I have had in many cases

1156
00:54:10,133 --> 00:54:13,293
Speaker 18: where well I had none where somebody's got out of

1157
00:54:13,413 --> 00:54:16,493
Speaker 18: cara and want to tip me with adwa saw draw

1158
00:54:16,493 --> 00:54:18,573
Speaker 18: a bottle of water at my car or something like that.

1159
00:54:18,693 --> 00:54:19,733
Speaker 3: You've lived a good life.

1160
00:54:20,893 --> 00:54:25,053
Speaker 18: It was pretty Fortunately. My father was the top rally

1161
00:54:25,133 --> 00:54:28,333
Speaker 18: driver and he taught me how to drive, and he said,

1162
00:54:28,413 --> 00:54:30,813
Speaker 18: just expect when you're on the road, just treat everyone

1163
00:54:31,373 --> 00:54:35,613
Speaker 18: like you're an idiot and just anticipate, which is which

1164
00:54:35,733 --> 00:54:40,173
Speaker 18: is what I did, and felt been really lucky in

1165
00:54:40,213 --> 00:54:44,253
Speaker 18: that respect. Down Wellingcoln at the moment and Kennedy, I'm

1166
00:54:44,253 --> 00:54:47,692
Speaker 18: saying my appearance pay Senate's raining. But I normally live

1167
00:54:47,733 --> 00:54:50,652
Speaker 18: in Brownsbury in Auckland, and when I came out of

1168
00:54:50,653 --> 00:54:56,973
Speaker 18: my driveway every morning, there's normally one guy that will

1169
00:54:57,013 --> 00:54:59,893
Speaker 18: let me out of the driveway, you know, because he's

1170
00:54:59,893 --> 00:55:02,613
Speaker 18: had the lights there. And it's always a tradee that

1171
00:55:02,653 --> 00:55:06,093
Speaker 18: will let me out. It's always a trade The worst

1172
00:55:06,093 --> 00:55:08,053
Speaker 18: ones in the world not for me to hear that

1173
00:55:08,493 --> 00:55:10,573
Speaker 18: hang out to the steering wheel like it's grim dead

1174
00:55:11,053 --> 00:55:14,733
Speaker 18: and normally like mothers driving their kids to school, yep,

1175
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 18: and they start blinkers on that book. But on our drivers, yeah,

1176
00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:25,253
Speaker 18: I think they're they're a kinder type of driver. Normally

1177
00:55:25,253 --> 00:55:28,093
Speaker 18: it's quite a young guy that sent money quite early

1178
00:55:28,173 --> 00:55:31,373
Speaker 18: and they buy an arres for arius sex, foody riders

1179
00:55:32,093 --> 00:55:41,652
Speaker 18: and better drive a bit different. It's three years ago.

1180
00:55:41,733 --> 00:55:45,693
Speaker 18: I had a BMW INTI, the V ten one, and

1181
00:55:48,653 --> 00:55:51,293
Speaker 18: I didn't drive it that well. I used to travel

1182
00:55:51,373 --> 00:55:53,373
Speaker 18: too quick and I handled I could go to out

1183
00:55:53,413 --> 00:55:55,933
Speaker 18: and that type of thing. And then I bought a

1184
00:55:55,933 --> 00:56:00,213
Speaker 18: new new car which was a GT Speed and it

1185
00:56:00,413 --> 00:56:03,533
Speaker 18: changed my entire way of driving. One I had too

1186
00:56:03,653 --> 00:56:09,213
Speaker 18: much power for I could really handle. And I remember

1187
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:12,253
Speaker 18: my father saying to me, he said, some day you

1188
00:56:12,253 --> 00:56:15,293
Speaker 18: get used to that pair will be the day be yourself.

1189
00:56:15,293 --> 00:56:18,013
Speaker 18: And they care a lot of damas, so maybe he

1190
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:21,773
Speaker 18: was posted. And the final point is it's such a

1191
00:56:21,813 --> 00:56:25,973
Speaker 18: beautiful car. I never wanted to that car be and

1192
00:56:26,093 --> 00:56:31,533
Speaker 18: kind of other people sorry, yeah, I've been pretty good

1193
00:56:31,533 --> 00:56:34,533
Speaker 18: and regrets in their care some Yeah, I.

1194
00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:39,373
Speaker 2: Mean, was that the Bentley you said there. Yeah, so

1195
00:56:39,413 --> 00:56:41,373
Speaker 2: we just need to get everyone on the Bentley and then.

1196
00:56:42,853 --> 00:56:44,652
Speaker 18: Yeah, and then maybe everyone will come.

1197
00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:48,732
Speaker 2: Hey, you don't have to answer this question, but what

1198
00:56:48,733 --> 00:56:51,173
Speaker 2: what was your what was your Who was your father?

1199
00:56:53,813 --> 00:56:54,692
Speaker 18: I can't say his name.

1200
00:56:57,973 --> 00:56:58,773
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get it off it.

1201
00:57:00,213 --> 00:57:03,293
Speaker 18: He had a very good hill time record, watched the

1202
00:57:04,573 --> 00:57:07,173
Speaker 18: roll the car fourteen times an hour, and then he

1203
00:57:07,213 --> 00:57:10,093
Speaker 18: walked up walked up to the Dan cap Pike park Hill,

1204
00:57:10,213 --> 00:57:11,173
Speaker 18: snaking a cigarette.

1205
00:57:11,213 --> 00:57:13,292
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, new Zella.

1206
00:57:14,733 --> 00:57:18,133
Speaker 2: I I think I've got an idea as you didn't

1207
00:57:18,133 --> 00:57:18,333
Speaker 2: do that.

1208
00:57:18,453 --> 00:57:20,733
Speaker 7: You're going all right, and.

1209
00:57:20,893 --> 00:57:22,613
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you cool. So that that's so,

1210
00:57:22,653 --> 00:57:24,893
Speaker 2: that's all we need to do is get everyone a

1211
00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:29,253
Speaker 2: Bentley now, yeah, yeah, I mean.

1212
00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:30,693
Speaker 3: I mean the would be a better place if we

1213
00:57:30,733 --> 00:57:31,413
Speaker 3: all had Bentley's.

1214
00:57:31,533 --> 00:57:32,813
Speaker 2: I think my life would be better if I had

1215
00:57:32,853 --> 00:57:33,173
Speaker 2: a Bentley.

1216
00:57:33,253 --> 00:57:35,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be a better person. Absolutely A huge fan

1217
00:57:35,213 --> 00:57:39,933
Speaker 3: of We can sort o Bentley's for everyone, Craig, mate, you.

1218
00:57:39,893 --> 00:57:41,293
Speaker 21: Know, I've got a bit of a hard case one

1219
00:57:41,333 --> 00:57:44,933
Speaker 21: for you. This is back in the seventies. We're the

1220
00:57:44,933 --> 00:57:48,173
Speaker 21: coolest grandmother. She had a dats In one twenty white

1221
00:57:48,253 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 21: coat with mag wells, probably the only grandmother with big

1222
00:57:51,893 --> 00:57:56,133
Speaker 21: fluffy dices off of me vision mirror. And we were

1223
00:57:56,173 --> 00:57:58,333
Speaker 21: going she used to work part time at a burger

1224
00:57:58,373 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 21: bar in Mount Law School, and we're going there one

1225
00:58:00,733 --> 00:58:03,093
Speaker 21: day with her, and she stored her car and a

1226
00:58:03,133 --> 00:58:05,813
Speaker 21: set of trape lights a couple of times, and this

1227
00:58:06,013 --> 00:58:08,933
Speaker 21: young guy behind her with his girlfriend in the car,

1228
00:58:09,413 --> 00:58:12,053
Speaker 21: sort of gone impatient, went past and if he went

1229
00:58:12,173 --> 00:58:16,013
Speaker 21: past again and get off the road, you old BBB,

1230
00:58:17,773 --> 00:58:20,413
Speaker 21: and that sort of fires the old grandmother up and

1231
00:58:20,493 --> 00:58:22,653
Speaker 21: she followed him, and she followed him to a dairy

1232
00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:25,573
Speaker 21: and she goes watch this boys. And now my grandmother

1233
00:58:25,653 --> 00:58:28,013
Speaker 21: wasn't even five foot tall, bit of her hunt's back,

1234
00:58:28,373 --> 00:58:31,653
Speaker 21: but she had a handful of rings and she walked

1235
00:58:31,693 --> 00:58:34,613
Speaker 21: into the dairy tapped them on her shoulder. He turned around,

1236
00:58:35,093 --> 00:58:38,053
Speaker 21: What did you call me? What did your man just

1237
00:58:38,333 --> 00:58:39,533
Speaker 21: upper cut of something?

1238
00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:40,133
Speaker 24: Beauty?

1239
00:58:41,973 --> 00:58:45,653
Speaker 21: His girlfriend was in the car, just in herself, laughing.

1240
00:58:46,373 --> 00:58:48,853
Speaker 21: The ShopKeep. No one knew what to do, and we

1241
00:58:49,013 --> 00:58:51,333
Speaker 21: thought we had the caller's grandma.

1242
00:58:52,733 --> 00:58:56,333
Speaker 2: Well that is that is impressive, yeah, but in a

1243
00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,533
Speaker 2: great story, but kind of the exact opposite.

1244
00:58:58,133 --> 00:58:59,253
Speaker 3: Of what I say.

1245
00:59:02,573 --> 00:59:04,493
Speaker 21: But I guess in the seventies there was still a

1246
00:59:04,493 --> 00:59:06,613
Speaker 21: little bit of respect around, you know, and people were

1247
00:59:06,693 --> 00:59:08,173
Speaker 21: going to I went to an old lady like that.

1248
00:59:08,573 --> 00:59:11,133
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, love it, Gray, Thank you very much.

1249
00:59:11,493 --> 00:59:13,173
Speaker 3: I mean, you're quite right, that's the opposite of what

1250
00:59:13,213 --> 00:59:14,813
Speaker 3: we've been preaching for the last hour and a half.

1251
00:59:14,853 --> 00:59:17,733
Speaker 3: But when it's a five foot grandmother who's got a

1252
00:59:17,733 --> 00:59:19,453
Speaker 3: handful of rings, you can kind of just let them

1253
00:59:19,493 --> 00:59:20,493
Speaker 3: have that one.

1254
00:59:20,933 --> 00:59:23,853
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at getting everyone into a twenty twenty

1255
00:59:23,853 --> 00:59:29,253
Speaker 2: five Bentley Flying Spur, Yes, you're looking. That's the problem

1256
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:30,813
Speaker 2: is it's going to cost us about four hundred and

1257
00:59:30,813 --> 00:59:34,173
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars per driver, right, and to completely replace

1258
00:59:34,293 --> 00:59:37,413
Speaker 2: the the light vehicle fleet in this country with four

1259
00:59:37,493 --> 00:59:39,853
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars cars, just so everyone appreciates

1260
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:42,293
Speaker 2: their vehicle so much that they don't praying into each other.

1261
00:59:42,693 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 2: I don't think we can afford it. I think it's

1262
00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:46,693
Speaker 2: going to be hard to get that across the line.

1263
00:59:46,693 --> 00:59:48,613
Speaker 3: How much does the NZTA have in their budget at

1264
00:59:48,613 --> 00:59:50,773
Speaker 3: the moment. We really need roads, and before we got Bentley's,

1265
00:59:50,773 --> 00:59:53,093
Speaker 3: we just need one road between us, right. That is

1266
00:59:53,133 --> 00:59:55,853
Speaker 3: where we'll leave it. Because after the headlines we do

1267
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:59,373
Speaker 3: want to have a chat about carpets wall versus nylon.

1268
00:59:59,493 --> 01:00:02,213
Speaker 3: A lot of people upset that Kyng or Order are

1269
01:00:02,253 --> 01:00:04,253
Speaker 3: not going to put wool carpets in their new builds.

1270
01:00:04,253 --> 01:00:05,453
Speaker 3: They didn't even give them a chance.

1271
01:00:05,573 --> 01:00:09,653
Speaker 2: It's right, they're going with nylon carpets. Quitte quite apart

1272
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:13,733
Speaker 2: from the you know, the obvious fact that we are

1273
01:00:13,813 --> 01:00:18,733
Speaker 2: a wool producing nation, and so instead of investing the

1274
01:00:18,773 --> 01:00:22,733
Speaker 2: money they have for carpets into a industry in New

1275
01:00:22,773 --> 01:00:25,573
Speaker 2: Zealand that it could be a turning point for them,

1276
01:00:25,853 --> 01:00:30,733
Speaker 2: they've decided to go for nylon and import one point

1277
01:00:30,733 --> 01:00:33,013
Speaker 2: seven million kilos of plastic for its production.

1278
01:00:33,213 --> 01:00:35,773
Speaker 3: What a slap in the face to farmers.

1279
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:38,013
Speaker 2: But it looks like they didn't even talk to Bremworth.

1280
01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:42,333
Speaker 2: Bremworth Chief executive Greg Smith said that they were deliberately excluded,

1281
01:00:43,693 --> 01:00:47,493
Speaker 2: so that basically there was wool wasn't even considered and

1282
01:00:47,533 --> 01:00:51,453
Speaker 2: whether and so there has been a there has been

1283
01:00:51,613 --> 01:00:55,413
Speaker 2: assertion that would have been thirty four percent more expensive

1284
01:00:55,453 --> 01:00:57,493
Speaker 2: to go for the will, but no one's done that

1285
01:00:57,493 --> 01:01:00,133
Speaker 2: that we can find, has done that test and has

1286
01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:02,613
Speaker 2: done that costing, and no one's talked to Bremworth about it.

1287
01:01:02,973 --> 01:01:05,253
Speaker 2: They said that they would have been They would have

1288
01:01:05,813 --> 01:01:08,053
Speaker 2: loved to have the opportunity to tender for the contracts.

1289
01:01:08,413 --> 01:01:11,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty has kyng Order made

1290
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:15,493
Speaker 3: a massive mistake here by refusing to have Wok carpets

1291
01:01:15,493 --> 01:01:17,693
Speaker 3: in their home New Zealand Woll carpets.

1292
01:01:17,293 --> 01:01:21,413
Speaker 2: And the wider question do government departments in their expenditure

1293
01:01:22,253 --> 01:01:24,693
Speaker 2: should they think about more than just getting the cheapest

1294
01:01:24,733 --> 01:01:29,373
Speaker 2: deal for their particular area or should they look at

1295
01:01:29,373 --> 01:01:32,133
Speaker 2: the wider benefits for the entire country. Yeah, and it

1296
01:01:32,173 --> 01:01:35,573
Speaker 2: seems clear to me that we are a wool producing countries.

1297
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:37,333
Speaker 2: So let's make a carpet out of wool and it

1298
01:01:37,373 --> 01:01:40,333
Speaker 2: will help people outside of your particular.

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01:01:39,853 --> 01:01:42,453
Speaker 3: Remite nicely said, what do you say though, Oh, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine

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Speaker 3: to nine too is the text number headlines on their

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Speaker 3: way It is twenty seven to.

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Speaker 5: Three US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxes.

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Speaker 5: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. A precautionary notice

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Speaker 5: has been placed on a second South Island poultry farm,

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01:02:02,933 --> 01:02:06,653
Speaker 5: restraining movement in and out during tests for infection after

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Speaker 5: birds have died at the small facility near Dunedin. Eighty

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Speaker 5: thousand birds began being culled today using gas at a

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Speaker 5: Moidarchy egg farm, where a strain of bird flu was confirmed.

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Speaker 5: On Sunday, Labour zishe Verel has gone head to head

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Speaker 5: with Health New Zealand's Commissioner as MP's look into Health

1312
01:02:23,853 --> 01:02:27,853
Speaker 5: nzet's annual review. Lester Levy asked for an apology from

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Speaker 5: Viril after she accused him of having a reputation for

1314
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Speaker 5: cooking the books and in former roles producing surpluses that

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Speaker 5: turn it to deficits after he leaves. A judge has

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Speaker 5: finished running jurors through the prosecution case against murder accused

1317
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Speaker 5: Tang Jun Chao, whose chart with killing christ churchwoman Jan

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Speaker 5: Fei Bao last year. Chris Luxon says changes to forestry

1319
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Speaker 5: aim to save productive farmland from conversion to forestry. The

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Speaker 5: government will be putting a moratorium on converting Category one

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Speaker 5: to five land. Former Kiwi coop raises four point six

1322
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Speaker 5: million dollars for his AI startup. Find out more at

1323
01:03:06,693 --> 01:03:10,133
Speaker 5: inzent Herald. Premium to Matt Eith and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylean.

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01:03:12,013 --> 01:03:15,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about this with the Wales stranding at

1326
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Speaker 2: fear Well Spit. We're going to talk to Professor Karen Stockin,

1327
01:03:19,093 --> 01:03:22,093
Speaker 2: a marine biologist for Messi University, on Wales strandings, why

1328
01:03:22,133 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 2: they're happening, Project Jonah and such. If you've got a

1329
01:03:25,413 --> 01:03:27,413
Speaker 2: question for the prof seen it through to nine two

1330
01:03:27,493 --> 01:03:30,413
Speaker 2: nine two and we'll ask it of her after three

1331
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Speaker 2: point thirty. Should be bloody interesting.

1332
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Speaker 3: But right now, Tyler, yes, we're going to we're talking

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01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:39,093
Speaker 3: about wool carpets versus nylon carpets. So the Associate Agricultural

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01:03:39,613 --> 01:03:42,813
Speaker 3: Minister says it is beyond disappointing coyng Or Order isn't

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Speaker 3: putting wool carpet into new state houses. So Coyong Order

1336
01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:49,413
Speaker 3: released a request for a proposal for companies to provide

1337
01:03:49,453 --> 01:03:52,653
Speaker 3: carpet and underlay for its state homes. But it specifically

1338
01:03:52,773 --> 01:03:56,413
Speaker 3: says no wool both, so that's upset. Not only the

1339
01:03:56,453 --> 01:04:01,253
Speaker 3: governments specific said no wool, no wool in New Zealand. Yeah,

1340
01:04:01,373 --> 01:04:03,933
Speaker 3: in the proposal they didn't even have an option, so

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01:04:04,053 --> 01:04:06,773
Speaker 3: that for any of the wool manufacturers in New Zealand.

1342
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Speaker 2: Points in the country of New Hell I know, which

1343
01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:13,293
Speaker 2: is famous for its wall production. And something that we're

1344
01:04:13,373 --> 01:04:13,933
Speaker 2: very proud of.

1345
01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:17,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is clearly upset not just the government

1346
01:04:17,413 --> 01:04:20,413
Speaker 3: and ministers, but it's also upset wall manufacturers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Bremworth chief executive Greg Smith told my costing this this morning.

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Speaker 22: Oh, they never checked that was a thing. I mean,

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01:04:26,773 --> 01:04:29,373
Speaker 22: we would have gone to extraordinary lengths to try and

1351
01:04:29,373 --> 01:04:32,213
Speaker 22: get a contract, which is about six hundred thousand meters

1352
01:04:32,213 --> 01:04:35,133
Speaker 22: over the last six years, and we weren't asked to participate.

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01:04:35,213 --> 01:04:38,813
Speaker 22: So you know, those tenants and those homes missed out

1354
01:04:38,813 --> 01:04:41,253
Speaker 22: on the chance to have you know, in New Zealand

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Speaker 22: ground wool. We've previously been asked to participate in these

1356
01:04:45,133 --> 01:04:47,813
Speaker 22: and so this time we weren't. Next time left to

1357
01:04:47,813 --> 01:04:50,413
Speaker 22: try harder with the lobby solution died nylon and woll

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01:04:50,533 --> 01:04:53,493
Speaker 22: are often very comparable in price. We would go after that,

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01:04:53,693 --> 01:04:55,333
Speaker 22: no problem or I don't know where they got their numbers.

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01:04:55,813 --> 01:04:57,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the interesting thing. So they said it would

1361
01:04:57,413 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 2: have been thirty four percent more expensive, but they didn't

1362
01:05:00,053 --> 01:05:02,813
Speaker 2: even ask Bremworth. And at the end of last year

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01:05:02,853 --> 01:05:05,413
Speaker 2: the government directed government agencies to prefer the use of

1364
01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:08,013
Speaker 2: wool and fibers we're practical and appropriate rather than artificial

1365
01:05:08,013 --> 01:05:12,293
Speaker 2: fibers and government buildings. Yeah, so why have they done this?

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Speaker 3: It seems like a massive cockup from Congo Order and

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01:05:14,733 --> 01:05:18,293
Speaker 3: as you mentioned before, for the synthetic carpets, that will

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Speaker 3: require them to import around one point seven million kilos

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Speaker 3: of plastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that seems and look, we all know that

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01:05:27,293 --> 01:05:33,253
Speaker 2: wool is the wonder material. It's it's it's it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I mean I just got woolen carpets put in my house.

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Speaker 3: They're beautiful, they're great, Yeah, environmentally friendly, fireproof, I mean,

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01:05:40,653 --> 01:05:41,213
Speaker 3: the list goes on.

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Speaker 2: Is there something we're missing here because it seems absolutely

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01:05:44,813 --> 01:05:45,413
Speaker 2: insane to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1378
01:05:47,453 --> 01:05:50,773
Speaker 3: number to call wall versus nylon carpet Stoke. Sorry you go, Matte.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was going to say. And the wider

1380
01:05:52,013 --> 01:05:55,893
Speaker 2: question is do government departments and you know, if Order

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01:05:55,933 --> 01:05:57,213
Speaker 2: is going to spend this money, do they have to

1382
01:05:57,253 --> 01:06:00,173
Speaker 2: think of the wider thing? Because it seems that this

1383
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:02,973
Speaker 2: mount of vestment into wool in New Zealand would be

1384
01:06:02,973 --> 01:06:05,893
Speaker 2: a turning point for farmers and a sector that's struggling.

1385
01:06:06,333 --> 01:06:08,573
Speaker 2: So do they need to think further than just what

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01:06:08,653 --> 01:06:10,453
Speaker 2: they're doing in there, and if they can get the

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01:06:10,493 --> 01:06:13,773
Speaker 2: same price or roughly the same price, or even just

1388
01:06:13,813 --> 01:06:15,813
Speaker 2: a little bit more, they should choose the thing that

1389
01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:19,613
Speaker 2: helps our economy and our farmers over importing a bunch

1390
01:06:19,613 --> 01:06:20,053
Speaker 2: of nylon.

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Speaker 3: Nicely, said Douglas, How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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01:06:23,933 --> 01:06:24,413
Speaker 22: Pretty good?

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01:06:24,413 --> 01:06:25,173
Speaker 10: How are you good?

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01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:27,613
Speaker 3: So you're a will carpet man throw and through?

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Speaker 25: Oh, I just think it's a lot better for the

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Speaker 25: environment as well. But if you get nylon, that's plastic,

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Speaker 25: And what's the world trying to do with plastic? Just

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01:06:36,333 --> 01:06:38,173
Speaker 25: get rid of it at the moment, because you if

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01:06:38,173 --> 01:06:42,213
Speaker 25: those are floating islands in the Pacific, and well, my

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01:06:42,293 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 25: uncle's are sharing contractor so shares sheep for a living

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01:06:46,573 --> 01:06:49,013
Speaker 25: and contract it and they're just helping them, help them

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01:06:49,053 --> 01:06:52,613
Speaker 25: with their business, help farmers out if they're struggling as

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01:06:52,613 --> 01:06:55,573
Speaker 25: well on the wolf on those sheep farms. So it

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01:06:55,653 --> 01:06:58,253
Speaker 25: gives them an extra little bit of boast that they need.

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01:07:00,293 --> 01:07:02,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's I mean to the question

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01:07:02,493 --> 01:07:04,733
Speaker 3: you just raised them, Matt and Douglas. You bought it up.

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01:07:04,733 --> 01:07:06,933
Speaker 3: But to me that is probably more precing that even

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01:07:06,933 --> 01:07:08,733
Speaker 3: if it does cost a little bit more. The wall

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01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:11,973
Speaker 3: Carpet's investing that back into New Zealand farmers, back into our.

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01:07:11,973 --> 01:07:13,253
Speaker 2: The money stays in our system.

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01:07:13,293 --> 01:07:16,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, supporting an industry that needs to be supported, Douglas,

1413
01:07:16,093 --> 01:07:16,933
Speaker 3: you'd be right behind that.

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01:07:18,093 --> 01:07:19,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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01:07:19,493 --> 01:07:19,613
Speaker 22: Well.

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01:07:19,613 --> 01:07:24,213
Speaker 2: Associated Agricultural Minister responsible for will Mark Patterson said, it's

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01:07:24,213 --> 01:07:27,173
Speaker 2: an investment in safer, healthy homes for our more vulnerable families.

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01:07:27,333 --> 01:07:30,453
Speaker 2: Well is less for them all. It's anti allergenic, it's

1419
01:07:30,493 --> 01:07:33,453
Speaker 2: good for the environment, no microplastics, and it's biodegradable. So

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01:07:33,453 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 2: there's a lot of features of all that we need

1421
01:07:35,093 --> 01:07:37,133
Speaker 2: to look at. We need to have a more holistic

1422
01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:37,773
Speaker 2: approach to it.

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Speaker 3: Douglas. Just as an aside, how is the wall industry

1424
01:07:42,733 --> 01:07:44,853
Speaker 3: doing on the ground. I mean, we hear that it's

1425
01:07:44,853 --> 01:07:47,253
Speaker 3: been struggling for some time and it's pretty tough out there.

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01:07:47,293 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 3: What are you hearing?

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01:07:50,293 --> 01:07:52,253
Speaker 25: Not hearing too much? To be honest, I know some

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01:07:52,293 --> 01:07:56,293
Speaker 25: of them are struggling to get contracts with the sharing

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01:07:57,173 --> 01:07:59,133
Speaker 25: just because I know I worked on a farm for

1430
01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,453
Speaker 25: a little bit. They're getting sheep that shed themselves so

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01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 25: they don't have to worry about their will anymore. Just

1432
01:08:05,653 --> 01:08:07,613
Speaker 25: because it's not really producing much of a profit. For

1433
01:08:07,653 --> 01:08:08,253
Speaker 25: some farmers.

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01:08:08,493 --> 01:08:11,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, Douglas, thanks very much for kicking us off our wait.

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01:08:11,453 --> 01:08:14,013
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:08:14,093 --> 01:08:16,412
Speaker 3: We'll pick this back up shortly. Nine two nine two

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01:08:16,492 --> 01:08:19,933
Speaker 3: is the text number. It is eighteen minutes to three.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

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01:08:25,372 --> 01:08:29,812
Speaker 1: matt Eaton Tyler Adams afternoons us talk, say'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about King Order refusing to look at putting

1441
01:08:34,253 --> 01:08:37,293
Speaker 3: Wooll carpets into new State homes. It wasn't even an

1442
01:08:37,293 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 3: option as they put it out for contract. Nylon or

1443
01:08:40,293 --> 01:08:43,132
Speaker 3: nothing is effectively what they said is that a mistake,

1444
01:08:43,293 --> 01:08:46,173
Speaker 3: not looking after an industry that needs looking after at

1445
01:08:46,173 --> 01:08:47,172
Speaker 3: the moment in this country.

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01:08:47,652 --> 01:08:50,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brenda, though you you are pro nylon.

1447
01:08:52,372 --> 01:08:54,253
Speaker 26: Sorry, guys, I'm going to burst your bubble with you.

1448
01:08:54,973 --> 01:08:56,852
Speaker 26: Oh by the way, Matte, I'm actually putting up the

1449
01:08:56,893 --> 01:08:57,612
Speaker 26: Christmas chairs.

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01:08:57,652 --> 01:08:59,532
Speaker 3: I'm speaking to you nice to start.

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01:08:59,652 --> 01:09:06,492
Speaker 2: Is that a real one or a artificial one? There, Brenda?

1452
01:09:04,973 --> 01:09:09,973
Speaker 2: Oh no, you love.

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01:09:10,772 --> 01:09:14,333
Speaker 26: Yeah. Anyway, I've had a wool carpet and I had

1454
01:09:14,372 --> 01:09:17,333
Speaker 26: a ball carpet for about fifteen years and I have

1455
01:09:17,452 --> 01:09:20,773
Speaker 26: now got a solution dyed nylon carpet with a bamboo

1456
01:09:21,973 --> 01:09:24,692
Speaker 26: with a bamboo fiber through it. I would never go

1457
01:09:24,812 --> 01:09:28,812
Speaker 26: back to wool that the solution dyed nylon doesn't say

1458
01:09:28,812 --> 01:09:33,012
Speaker 26: it in the sun, it doesn't stretch. If a child

1459
01:09:33,213 --> 01:09:37,692
Speaker 26: or somebody has napcent or a pet or a red wine,

1460
01:09:38,133 --> 01:09:42,333
Speaker 26: it cleans up straight away, whereas wool carpets, the wall

1461
01:09:42,372 --> 01:09:45,812
Speaker 26: carpets that I've had, clings into the fabric and you

1462
01:09:45,853 --> 01:09:50,412
Speaker 26: can never get red wine out. So I think for

1463
01:09:50,452 --> 01:09:53,973
Speaker 26: the practicality of things, and I can understand maybe YKO

1464
01:09:54,372 --> 01:09:56,492
Speaker 26: are looking at that because there's so much easy to

1465
01:09:56,612 --> 01:09:59,093
Speaker 26: keep clean and they don't age as much, and they

1466
01:09:59,093 --> 01:10:01,852
Speaker 26: don't track as much either. You know, sometimes you've got

1467
01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:05,532
Speaker 26: the wear area where people walk, they don't they don't track.

1468
01:10:05,692 --> 01:10:10,133
Speaker 26: So I'm sorry, guys, but solution dyed nylon the.

1469
01:10:10,053 --> 01:10:10,732
Speaker 9: Whole way for me.

1470
01:10:11,253 --> 01:10:13,692
Speaker 2: So, but do you do you see something in what

1471
01:10:13,772 --> 01:10:18,213
Speaker 2: we're saying, BRender around the walls. The farmers need need

1472
01:10:18,253 --> 01:10:20,412
Speaker 2: some help, and we've got all this money that we're spending.

1473
01:10:20,973 --> 01:10:27,933
Speaker 2: So even if if the wall was comparable, then you

1474
01:10:27,973 --> 01:10:31,492
Speaker 2: would you would choose the wall over the nylon, you

1475
01:10:31,492 --> 01:10:32,972
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Just for the good of the nation.

1476
01:10:34,532 --> 01:10:37,852
Speaker 26: Yeah, no, I completely understand that. You know, we've got

1477
01:10:37,853 --> 01:10:40,532
Speaker 26: a three hundred and fifty square meter home, which is

1478
01:10:40,652 --> 01:10:43,892
Speaker 26: fairly big home, and we saved about thirty percent by

1479
01:10:43,893 --> 01:10:47,372
Speaker 26: putting in solution dyed nilons, so it was considerably cheaper.

1480
01:10:47,412 --> 01:10:51,333
Speaker 26: And also, you know they talk about the fire retardant qualities.

1481
01:10:51,452 --> 01:10:55,612
Speaker 26: Both carpets have still got a rubber underlay. So I

1482
01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:58,732
Speaker 26: was told that solution dyed would smolder and melt rather

1483
01:10:58,772 --> 01:11:01,732
Speaker 26: than burst into flames. I do think, well, there's probably

1484
01:11:01,812 --> 01:11:04,532
Speaker 26: better for that, But no, I can understand from a

1485
01:11:04,572 --> 01:11:08,612
Speaker 26: cleaning point of view. And also if you patch, if

1486
01:11:08,612 --> 01:11:11,173
Speaker 26: you need to patch the solution dyed nylon, you can

1487
01:11:11,173 --> 01:11:14,452
Speaker 26: have the same carpet for ten years and you can

1488
01:11:14,492 --> 01:11:16,612
Speaker 26: put a patch in and it won't have faded, whereas

1489
01:11:16,933 --> 01:11:19,932
Speaker 26: you can't do that with will because woll changes color

1490
01:11:20,013 --> 01:11:21,333
Speaker 26: over over time.

1491
01:11:21,452 --> 01:11:24,293
Speaker 3: But what about the feel of wool carpet on your

1492
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:27,053
Speaker 3: bare feet, BRender? Surely that comes into it. Not only

1493
01:11:27,093 --> 01:11:30,972
Speaker 3: are you doing good for the country, I know I.

1494
01:11:30,933 --> 01:11:33,973
Speaker 26: Can understand what you're saying. And if I hadn't have

1495
01:11:34,013 --> 01:11:37,132
Speaker 26: had a solution dyed nylon carpet, I would be saying

1496
01:11:37,173 --> 01:11:41,333
Speaker 26: exactly the same thing. This carpet feels no difference. It's

1497
01:11:41,372 --> 01:11:44,012
Speaker 26: now seven years old. And somebody came into the house

1498
01:11:44,093 --> 01:11:46,412
Speaker 26: hadn't been and hadn't seen these for ages, and he said, oh,

1499
01:11:46,452 --> 01:11:48,732
Speaker 26: you've got a new carpet in the house. I said, no, no,

1500
01:11:48,772 --> 01:11:49,652
Speaker 26: it's seven years old.

1501
01:11:49,933 --> 01:11:52,612
Speaker 2: Oh so you're you're doing a good sales pitch on

1502
01:11:52,652 --> 01:11:53,372
Speaker 2: the nylon carpet.

1503
01:11:53,372 --> 01:11:53,532
Speaker 8: Bet.

1504
01:11:53,692 --> 01:11:56,532
Speaker 26: Yeah, no, it's great, but I can I can understand

1505
01:11:56,532 --> 01:11:59,453
Speaker 26: what you do for the the country. I am surprised

1506
01:11:59,492 --> 01:12:02,533
Speaker 26: that they didn't want to at least have a competitive

1507
01:12:02,612 --> 01:12:06,013
Speaker 26: quote or a quote. I think that's wrong. But I

1508
01:12:06,532 --> 01:12:09,293
Speaker 26: can see the plus is so much more heavy traffic

1509
01:12:10,093 --> 01:12:16,652
Speaker 26: for durability and flexibility. I think solution died nylon all

1510
01:12:16,692 --> 01:12:16,972
Speaker 26: the way.

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01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,932
Speaker 3: Well, you're getting a lot of support via the text

1512
01:12:19,013 --> 01:12:22,612
Speaker 3: measures BRender compelling. I mean she saved thirty percent, whether

1513
01:12:23,053 --> 01:12:24,812
Speaker 3: calling or autos, as they said they were going to

1514
01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:27,173
Speaker 3: save thirty four percent. We haven't got the evidence of

1515
01:12:27,213 --> 01:12:27,732
Speaker 3: that yet.

1516
01:12:28,973 --> 01:12:30,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they didn't even talk to Bremworth, so

1517
01:12:30,893 --> 01:12:33,293
Speaker 2: they don't know what the selling is. But yeah, there

1518
01:12:33,293 --> 01:12:35,173
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of people coming in and

1519
01:12:35,213 --> 01:12:37,133
Speaker 2: maybe this is the bit that I said is there

1520
01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:40,492
Speaker 2: something I've missed here? This text here, no boys, no woolen,

1521
01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:43,412
Speaker 2: Kiangordo houses. To put it simply, many of the tenants

1522
01:12:43,412 --> 01:12:45,253
Speaker 2: to treat the houses terribly. Made it mine as a

1523
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:47,692
Speaker 2: builder and built many of these properties. Recently completed a

1524
01:12:47,692 --> 01:12:49,732
Speaker 2: new set of units and within days many of them

1525
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:53,092
Speaker 2: had been damaged graffiti, broken windows, smashed cookers, et cetera.

1526
01:12:53,173 --> 01:12:54,933
Speaker 2: And the one guy had moved in was sitting in

1527
01:12:54,933 --> 01:12:57,333
Speaker 2: the lounge smoking and putting a cigarettes out on the

1528
01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,692
Speaker 2: floor on the nylon carpet. No doubt. It comes back

1529
01:13:01,692 --> 01:13:04,772
Speaker 2: to cost, and I assume replacement costs. That was from

1530
01:13:04,853 --> 01:13:08,692
Speaker 2: John So I mean, is that true? I mean, we've

1531
01:13:08,692 --> 01:13:10,972
Speaker 2: got let's go to let's go to rob it here,

1532
01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:13,053
Speaker 2: who's previously in the wool industry. Is this true what

1533
01:13:13,093 --> 01:13:15,692
Speaker 2: people are saying that nylon carpets are just more durable

1534
01:13:15,692 --> 01:13:16,572
Speaker 2: than wool carpets.

1535
01:13:16,772 --> 01:13:27,532
Speaker 17: Robert, Yes, and no, it just depends they've got I've

1536
01:13:27,572 --> 01:13:30,733
Speaker 17: got most of the Wolve's got most of the attributes

1537
01:13:30,772 --> 01:13:34,213
Speaker 17: that nylon claimed to have, with an a huge amount

1538
01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:38,493
Speaker 17: of research done out at Lincoln on wall and wool carpets.

1539
01:13:38,853 --> 01:13:43,532
Speaker 17: I was involved with that forty years ago. But The

1540
01:13:43,532 --> 01:13:45,772
Speaker 17: debat goes back a bit further than that. Once upon

1541
01:13:45,853 --> 01:13:48,093
Speaker 17: a time New Zealand had a wool rich policy and

1542
01:13:48,133 --> 01:13:50,892
Speaker 17: you could not buy you were not allowed to buy

1543
01:13:52,732 --> 01:13:57,773
Speaker 17: a nylon carpet. That change would see closer economic relations

1544
01:13:57,812 --> 01:14:05,333
Speaker 17: with Australia, and then we've got an allocation of Australian

1545
01:14:05,412 --> 01:14:11,532
Speaker 17: made carpet, and then that slowly come in. And then

1546
01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:19,452
Speaker 17: the other thing that happened was the market shifted and

1547
01:14:19,532 --> 01:14:23,732
Speaker 17: the fine and mid micron segments of the museum wool

1548
01:14:23,732 --> 01:14:28,692
Speaker 17: industry only account for about thirty percent. Seventy percent is

1549
01:14:29,013 --> 01:14:34,173
Speaker 17: in the cross red wall and carpet type walls. Now

1550
01:14:35,532 --> 01:14:42,973
Speaker 17: that market fell away dramatically and it became less and

1551
01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:49,333
Speaker 17: less profitable for hill country farmers to run cross red sheep.

1552
01:14:50,772 --> 01:14:56,172
Speaker 17: In fact, right now, unless you've got a specialist contracts

1553
01:14:56,333 --> 01:15:02,892
Speaker 17: with a crossbred fiber producer a processor, you will actually

1554
01:15:02,893 --> 01:15:05,892
Speaker 17: get a bill from your shares because it costs more

1555
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:08,852
Speaker 17: to share them than it does to the check you get.

1556
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:14,852
Speaker 17: Once upon a time, wool represented fifty percent of our income.

1557
01:15:16,572 --> 01:15:20,612
Speaker 17: Today it would be a minus figure. It's very very

1558
01:15:20,652 --> 01:15:25,852
Speaker 17: sad what's happening. And years ago, not many years ago,

1559
01:15:26,812 --> 01:15:30,812
Speaker 17: the wool industry voted to discontinue a wall levy, and

1560
01:15:30,853 --> 01:15:33,692
Speaker 17: that was a mistake that was prompted by a former

1561
01:15:33,732 --> 01:15:39,892
Speaker 17: politician who persuaded Sheep farmanc there was no use in

1562
01:15:40,853 --> 01:15:43,812
Speaker 17: carrying on paying a wall levy. Now there was a

1563
01:15:43,812 --> 01:15:47,932
Speaker 17: good argument for that, but that argument won the day.

1564
01:15:48,093 --> 01:15:50,612
Speaker 3: So now Robert was, I'm so sorry, but we're running

1565
01:15:50,652 --> 01:15:52,772
Speaker 3: at the time here. But if we if we just

1566
01:15:52,772 --> 01:15:54,692
Speaker 3: just quickly because we've only got so much time, the

1567
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:58,812
Speaker 3: search rob it, just quickly rob it.

1568
01:15:59,093 --> 01:16:03,452
Speaker 17: But nowhere near the amount that there was so of

1569
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:12,692
Speaker 17: my contrast, the synthetic carpet afacturers pour an enormous amount

1570
01:16:12,732 --> 01:16:18,772
Speaker 17: of money into research, and they also pour a lot

1571
01:16:18,812 --> 01:16:20,532
Speaker 17: of money into retail.

1572
01:16:20,452 --> 01:16:22,532
Speaker 3: Right, Bobert, We've got to leave it there, thanks very well.

1573
01:16:22,572 --> 01:16:24,892
Speaker 2: Out of time there, So I think we're Roberts going there.

1574
01:16:24,973 --> 01:16:28,133
Speaker 2: Is that that the nylon swells might be ahead a

1575
01:16:28,133 --> 01:16:31,132
Speaker 2: little bit according to him in the technology at the stage.

1576
01:16:31,173 --> 01:16:33,013
Speaker 2: But yeah, we have go yep, oh.

1577
01:16:33,013 --> 01:16:34,932
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty will keep this going

1578
01:16:35,452 --> 01:16:37,492
Speaker 3: after three o'clock as well. Love to hear from you.

1579
01:16:37,572 --> 01:16:38,572
Speaker 3: It is eight to three.

1580
01:16:40,492 --> 01:16:42,932
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1581
01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:46,372
Speaker 1: along the way Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you

1582
01:16:46,532 --> 01:16:48,732
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four you talk EDB.

1583
01:16:49,133 --> 01:16:52,253
Speaker 3: News talks EDB. We're talking about King Order refusing to

1584
01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:55,692
Speaker 3: put wall carpets into the New State homes. Wasn't even

1585
01:16:55,772 --> 01:16:59,052
Speaker 3: part of the tender when they put that out. Plenty

1586
01:16:59,093 --> 01:17:01,612
Speaker 3: of texts coming through. This is a money conversation, guys.

1587
01:17:01,652 --> 01:17:04,253
Speaker 3: The sheep farmers are just upset that they are missing

1588
01:17:04,253 --> 01:17:07,492
Speaker 3: out on the money. I wonder if we would be

1589
01:17:07,572 --> 01:17:10,412
Speaker 3: having the opposite conversation with nylon carpet makers if they

1590
01:17:10,492 --> 01:17:12,772
Speaker 3: choose wool instead. At the end of the day, this

1591
01:17:12,933 --> 01:17:15,892
Speaker 3: is our taxes make the best cost effective decision from Dan.

1592
01:17:15,853 --> 01:17:17,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't necessarily know that it's the most costs

1593
01:17:17,692 --> 01:17:19,933
Speaker 2: effective decision because they never talk to the wall manufacturers

1594
01:17:19,933 --> 01:17:21,972
Speaker 2: at all. So they've said thirty four percent more expensive

1595
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:24,372
Speaker 2: to go with the world manufacturers, but we don't We

1596
01:17:24,412 --> 01:17:26,572
Speaker 2: don't know Bremworth, we never talked to and they said

1597
01:17:26,572 --> 01:17:29,452
Speaker 2: that they could have made a very very competitive quote

1598
01:17:29,492 --> 01:17:33,412
Speaker 2: on that situation. But we're just trying to get to

1599
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:37,053
Speaker 2: the bottom of really can wool carpets do the job

1600
01:17:37,133 --> 01:17:41,052
Speaker 2: in terms of the intensity of akigon or a property

1601
01:17:41,093 --> 01:17:43,173
Speaker 2: that may be mistreated and have to be cleaned most

1602
01:17:43,412 --> 01:17:44,213
Speaker 2: multiple times.

1603
01:17:44,372 --> 01:17:46,053
Speaker 3: Yeah. But even if that was the case and they

1604
01:17:46,093 --> 01:17:48,692
Speaker 3: had to be replaced more than nylon carpets, which sounds

1605
01:17:48,893 --> 01:17:52,532
Speaker 3: likely to be the situation, isn't that still good for

1606
01:17:52,572 --> 01:17:54,692
Speaker 3: the wolf farmers of New Zealand. Yes, it might need

1607
01:17:54,692 --> 01:17:56,812
Speaker 3: to be replaced more and cost us as a taxpayer,

1608
01:17:56,853 --> 01:17:58,172
Speaker 3: but it is supporting an industry.

1609
01:17:58,452 --> 01:18:00,372
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's the question. That's the way to question,

1610
01:18:00,452 --> 01:18:02,333
Speaker 2: isn't it. Do we put it and do we pump

1611
01:18:02,372 --> 01:18:04,253
Speaker 2: it back into the New Zealand economy and keep the

1612
01:18:04,293 --> 01:18:06,093
Speaker 2: money in the system rather than sending it overseas and

1613
01:18:06,093 --> 01:18:07,612
Speaker 2: importing a lot of plastic. Yeah.

1614
01:18:07,692 --> 01:18:10,652
Speaker 3: Now, Robert who called before, he didn't have time to

1615
01:18:10,652 --> 01:18:13,052
Speaker 3: finish his point, but he said it is a disgrace

1616
01:18:13,093 --> 01:18:16,852
Speaker 3: that Bremworth won't given the chance to put in a

1617
01:18:17,133 --> 01:18:21,172
Speaker 3: their contract. The wall is best beats nylon by longshot,

1618
01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:22,572
Speaker 3: and he was in the industry for some time.

1619
01:18:22,652 --> 01:18:24,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Robert. Sorry we had to

1620
01:18:24,692 --> 01:18:25,133
Speaker 2: cut you off.

1621
01:18:25,213 --> 01:18:27,052
Speaker 3: Yep, we're going to carry this on after three o'clock.

1622
01:18:27,053 --> 01:18:29,213
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1623
01:18:29,213 --> 01:18:31,452
Speaker 3: to call. Nine two nine two if you preferred text

1624
01:18:31,492 --> 01:18:34,652
Speaker 3: that is fine new Sport and weather on its way.

1625
01:18:34,692 --> 01:18:37,492
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to.

1626
01:18:37,492 --> 01:18:45,493
Speaker 1: You your new home for Instateful.

1627
01:18:45,893 --> 01:18:46,892
Speaker 4: It's a teening talk.

1628
01:18:46,973 --> 01:18:51,612
Speaker 1: It's Maddie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

1629
01:18:52,612 --> 01:18:56,652
Speaker 3: Good afternoons. You seven pass three in about twenty five minutes.

1630
01:18:56,652 --> 01:18:59,013
Speaker 3: An interesting interview. We think you'll love Yeah with.

1631
01:18:59,013 --> 01:19:01,652
Speaker 2: The stranding at fair Us, but we're talking about Wales strandings.

1632
01:19:01,692 --> 01:19:03,572
Speaker 2: Then we're going to talk to Professor Karen Stock and

1633
01:19:03,612 --> 01:19:07,412
Speaker 2: a marine biologists from Massy on Wales strandings, why they're happening?

1634
01:19:07,412 --> 01:19:11,173
Speaker 2: Were don't talk about proj Jonah and are these these

1635
01:19:11,173 --> 01:19:14,293
Speaker 2: strandings happening more? If you've got a question for the professor,

1636
01:19:14,572 --> 01:19:16,972
Speaker 2: send it through to nine two nine two and we'll

1637
01:19:17,053 --> 01:19:20,012
Speaker 2: ask her it after three or give us a ring

1638
01:19:20,372 --> 01:19:23,012
Speaker 2: when she's on on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1639
01:19:23,093 --> 01:19:26,093
Speaker 2: Should be bloody interesting. I'm excited about this chat. I'm

1640
01:19:26,093 --> 01:19:27,572
Speaker 2: also excited about the chat we're having right now.

1641
01:19:27,612 --> 01:19:30,973
Speaker 3: Tom absolutely will carpets versus Nylon Carpet's a lot of

1642
01:19:31,013 --> 01:19:33,932
Speaker 3: disappointment that Kayang or order isn't going to be putting

1643
01:19:33,933 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 3: wool carpet into new state houses. They put out the

1644
01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:40,013
Speaker 3: proposal for companies to provide carpet and underlay for its

1645
01:19:40,053 --> 01:19:43,652
Speaker 3: new state homes, but specifically said no Will. There has

1646
01:19:43,732 --> 01:19:47,133
Speaker 3: quite rightly upset many in the farming community and also

1647
01:19:47,253 --> 01:19:50,452
Speaker 3: the Associate Agricultural Minister along with a lot of our

1648
01:19:50,532 --> 01:19:52,093
Speaker 3: wool carpet manufacturers.

1649
01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:55,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they say that they weren't they weren't offered,

1650
01:19:55,452 --> 01:19:57,852
Speaker 2: So Bremworth, we're never given the opportunity to tender on this,

1651
01:19:58,772 --> 01:20:01,532
Speaker 2: And now we've gone into a big debate between nylon

1652
01:20:01,572 --> 01:20:05,013
Speaker 2: and WILL carpet. Some people say nylon's amazing and that

1653
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:08,732
Speaker 2: it's much more resilient and much better for rentals. People

1654
01:20:08,732 --> 01:20:14,853
Speaker 2: are saying wool is healthier for vulnerable families, it's less flammable,

1655
01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:18,372
Speaker 2: it's anti allergenic, it's good for the environment, no microplastics,

1656
01:20:18,372 --> 01:20:21,293
Speaker 2: and it's biodegradable. So there's a lot of features that

1657
01:20:21,333 --> 01:20:23,213
Speaker 2: we can look at when it comes to WILL. So

1658
01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:26,013
Speaker 2: maybe we haven't need a more holistic approach to the

1659
01:20:26,093 --> 01:20:29,652
Speaker 2: economy and helping the farmers and a bunch of issues

1660
01:20:29,692 --> 01:20:32,173
Speaker 2: won Will. It looks like they never even talked to

1661
01:20:32,772 --> 01:20:34,492
Speaker 2: the wool options.

1662
01:20:34,572 --> 01:20:37,213
Speaker 3: There's some great texts coming through on nine to nine two,

1663
01:20:37,213 --> 01:20:39,852
Speaker 3: this one from Linda What they hell ever happened to

1664
01:20:39,893 --> 01:20:42,412
Speaker 3: clean Green New Zealand and support local The texts with

1665
01:20:42,492 --> 01:20:46,013
Speaker 3: regards to this is just the farmers winging about not

1666
01:20:46,133 --> 01:20:49,492
Speaker 3: making money. It goes way beyond that. It's the food

1667
01:20:49,532 --> 01:20:52,012
Speaker 3: store that supplies the food to the sharers, the sharing

1668
01:20:52,093 --> 01:20:54,133
Speaker 3: gangs that make their money by sharing the sheep that

1669
01:20:54,173 --> 01:20:56,652
Speaker 3: feed their children. They put fuel in their car that

1670
01:20:56,732 --> 01:20:58,532
Speaker 3: get to the farms to share the sheep. It's about

1671
01:20:58,532 --> 01:21:01,333
Speaker 3: the transportation of the wool and paying the drivers and

1672
01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:03,333
Speaker 3: the road user charges and the fuel and the cost

1673
01:21:03,412 --> 01:21:04,973
Speaker 3: to run a truck to pick up the wall. It's

1674
01:21:05,013 --> 01:21:08,772
Speaker 3: all about the people that work within those industries cleaning, scouring,

1675
01:21:08,893 --> 01:21:12,812
Speaker 3: making the wool, garments, carpets, wool products, et cetera. That

1676
01:21:12,973 --> 01:21:15,732
Speaker 3: is what it's about. It's about supporting real New Zealand.

1677
01:21:15,772 --> 01:21:16,652
Speaker 3: Great takes that one.

1678
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:19,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Linda Sirius because it was all

1679
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:20,093
Speaker 2: in catlocks.

1680
01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:21,652
Speaker 3: She was angry about it.

1681
01:21:21,692 --> 01:21:23,572
Speaker 2: But what do you think? Oh eight hundred and eighty

1682
01:21:23,692 --> 01:21:28,612
Speaker 2: ten eighty Greg, your thoughts on nylon versus wool carpets.

1683
01:21:29,732 --> 01:21:33,053
Speaker 20: Well, look, I could be called a little bit bougie,

1684
01:21:33,093 --> 01:21:36,612
Speaker 20: but we did have a nylon carpet. But when we

1685
01:21:36,652 --> 01:21:40,293
Speaker 20: got a little puppy, I thought we're going to ditch

1686
01:21:40,333 --> 01:21:43,173
Speaker 20: that and get some wool. And it was simply because

1687
01:21:43,213 --> 01:21:47,293
Speaker 20: of the microplastic. And I'm just thinking, man, you extrapolate

1688
01:21:47,372 --> 01:21:49,932
Speaker 20: that out over to ko homes that have got kids

1689
01:21:49,973 --> 01:21:53,253
Speaker 20: with babies and toddlers and stuff. Man, from day one

1690
01:21:53,532 --> 01:21:58,012
Speaker 20: cruising around, you know, down low, just rubbing up against

1691
01:21:58,053 --> 01:22:01,412
Speaker 20: that nylon, that polyester, it can't be good from a

1692
01:22:01,452 --> 01:22:02,012
Speaker 20: house front.

1693
01:22:03,133 --> 01:22:03,293
Speaker 14: You know.

1694
01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 20: I'm not claiming to be an expert, but it's something

1695
01:22:05,372 --> 01:22:07,773
Speaker 20: that kind of should have had consideration.

1696
01:22:08,492 --> 01:22:10,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we all know that will's the wonder it's

1697
01:22:10,893 --> 01:22:15,052
Speaker 2: the wonder product. Yeah, it's especially when it comes to flammability. Also,

1698
01:22:15,093 --> 01:22:17,692
Speaker 2: you know we talk to microplastics. So in July twenty

1699
01:22:17,732 --> 01:22:19,692
Speaker 2: twenty three, kg Aora stated that it was purchasing a

1700
01:22:19,732 --> 01:22:22,012
Speaker 2: more sustainable path for its flousing. That meant looking into

1701
01:22:22,013 --> 01:22:25,213
Speaker 2: fibers being used in its homes. After over six hundred

1702
01:22:25,253 --> 01:22:27,572
Speaker 2: thousand meters of synthetic carpet have been laid over the

1703
01:22:27,612 --> 01:22:30,852
Speaker 2: previous six year, the volume and synthetic carpet requires importing

1704
01:22:30,933 --> 01:22:34,253
Speaker 2: around one point seven million kilos of plastic for its production.

1705
01:22:34,732 --> 01:22:38,532
Speaker 2: So one point seven million kilos of plastic. That's a lot.

1706
01:22:38,692 --> 01:22:39,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot.

1707
01:22:39,572 --> 01:22:42,093
Speaker 20: Yeah, and we we, I mean all of us, all

1708
01:22:42,133 --> 01:22:46,053
Speaker 20: living creatures now are just slammed with microplasts. That's just inevitable, right,

1709
01:22:46,093 --> 01:22:49,253
Speaker 20: But if you've got just one opportunity to maybe not

1710
01:22:49,452 --> 01:22:53,172
Speaker 20: smash it onto little little guys and their toddlers and babies,

1711
01:22:53,213 --> 01:22:55,492
Speaker 20: and you know they're cruising around their neppies in the

1712
01:22:55,572 --> 01:22:57,852
Speaker 20: summer and they're just right and amongst that. Yeah, it

1713
01:22:57,893 --> 01:23:01,253
Speaker 20: gets into your lungs, into your bloodstream. It's just like that,

1714
01:23:02,173 --> 01:23:02,933
Speaker 20: no brain.

1715
01:23:03,173 --> 01:23:05,532
Speaker 2: It certainly feels an I'm no expert as well, but

1716
01:23:05,572 --> 01:23:09,772
Speaker 2: it's certain for certainly for me, will feels better.

1717
01:23:09,853 --> 01:23:10,612
Speaker 3: We love natural.

1718
01:23:10,692 --> 01:23:17,253
Speaker 2: We love now yeah yeah yeah, especially since we go

1719
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:22,932
Speaker 2: the well, nothing wrong with being boogy that good man.

1720
01:23:23,893 --> 01:23:26,452
Speaker 3: See love that passion, Love that passion. See here's where

1721
01:23:26,492 --> 01:23:28,932
Speaker 3: I think they cing went wrong. As they thought they

1722
01:23:28,933 --> 01:23:31,293
Speaker 3: weren't going to get trumpeted by the text patter say hey,

1723
01:23:31,293 --> 01:23:34,013
Speaker 3: well done, you're saving money because you're heavily in debt.

1724
01:23:34,213 --> 01:23:37,452
Speaker 3: But the pushback on this just shows how how out

1725
01:23:37,452 --> 01:23:39,652
Speaker 3: of touch they are. Yes, they've got to do things

1726
01:23:39,692 --> 01:23:42,092
Speaker 3: a bit in a more cost effective way, but by

1727
01:23:42,293 --> 01:23:45,093
Speaker 3: you know, slapping the wool industry in the face by

1728
01:23:45,133 --> 01:23:47,572
Speaker 3: saying no to wall and as you mentioned quite rightly

1729
01:23:47,612 --> 01:23:50,133
Speaker 3: many times that there was a high possibility that the

1730
01:23:50,253 --> 01:23:51,972
Speaker 3: likes of Brentworth, we're going to come to the table

1731
01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:53,053
Speaker 3: and say, hey, we can do.

1732
01:23:53,053 --> 01:23:54,052
Speaker 2: It just as well.

1733
01:23:54,692 --> 01:23:54,932
Speaker 3: Nil.

1734
01:23:55,133 --> 01:23:57,932
Speaker 2: Brentworth Chief executive Greg Smith said, there is no question

1735
01:23:58,013 --> 01:24:00,612
Speaker 2: that we would have gone to extraordinary lengths to secure

1736
01:24:00,612 --> 01:24:03,133
Speaker 2: this contract. Would have represented a key turning point for

1737
01:24:03,213 --> 01:24:06,932
Speaker 2: the wool sector in New Zealand. Yeah, so, I mean

1738
01:24:07,372 --> 01:24:09,532
Speaker 2: the thirty four percent no one knows where the thirty

1739
01:24:09,572 --> 01:24:11,532
Speaker 2: four percent more expensive. No one knows where that came

1740
01:24:11,572 --> 01:24:14,532
Speaker 2: from because they don't seem to have talked to these

1741
01:24:15,093 --> 01:24:18,333
Speaker 2: will manufacturers to get the thing. But also, I mean,

1742
01:24:19,013 --> 01:24:21,133
Speaker 2: maybe it's more complicated than that. Maybe will need to

1743
01:24:21,173 --> 01:24:27,213
Speaker 2: be replaced more often. Maybe tenants that famously some cho

1744
01:24:27,333 --> 01:24:30,133
Speaker 2: tenants aren't aren't looking after their properties as well as

1745
01:24:30,133 --> 01:24:33,892
Speaker 2: someone whom some other people might have their bougie will carpet.

1746
01:24:34,053 --> 01:24:36,532
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe it's more complex than that. But

1747
01:24:37,093 --> 01:24:40,932
Speaker 2: just for me, the sniff test doesn't pass. I want

1748
01:24:40,933 --> 01:24:44,452
Speaker 2: our farmers to be reducing the will for the houses

1749
01:24:44,452 --> 01:24:45,532
Speaker 2: that our government has built it.

1750
01:24:45,612 --> 01:24:45,772
Speaker 9: Yep.

1751
01:24:45,812 --> 01:24:47,732
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1752
01:24:47,732 --> 01:24:50,053
Speaker 3: call love to hear your thoughts. It is deep in

1753
01:24:50,093 --> 01:24:54,412
Speaker 3: the ecosystem. Keep it natural, baby, it is. That's three

1754
01:24:55,893 --> 01:24:58,333
Speaker 3: good afternoon. Just quickly before we go back to the

1755
01:24:58,372 --> 01:25:01,972
Speaker 3: discussion about wool carpets. The jury in the murder trial

1756
01:25:02,133 --> 01:25:05,732
Speaker 3: of Ting Shun Choo has just gone into deliberation. So

1757
01:25:05,812 --> 01:25:08,093
Speaker 3: if we get a verdict before the end of our

1758
01:25:08,133 --> 01:25:10,652
Speaker 3: sh we will bring that to you as soon as

1759
01:25:10,692 --> 01:25:14,892
Speaker 3: we get it. Yeah, big trial, that one. So back

1760
01:25:14,893 --> 01:25:19,372
Speaker 3: to wool carpets, coming will order deciding not to allow

1761
01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:23,972
Speaker 3: wall manufacturers. Wall carpet manufacturers into the tender process weren't

1762
01:25:23,973 --> 01:25:27,173
Speaker 3: even considered, weren't even considered, and as you mentioned before,

1763
01:25:27,213 --> 01:25:29,812
Speaker 3: Brimworth for example, said they would have done whatever it

1764
01:25:29,893 --> 01:25:34,093
Speaker 3: takes to secure that contract, which arguably means reducing the

1765
01:25:34,093 --> 01:25:36,812
Speaker 3: cost to get it as close to nylon carpets as possible.

1766
01:25:37,492 --> 01:25:40,732
Speaker 3: But a lot of nylon coppet carpet lovers coming through

1767
01:25:40,732 --> 01:25:43,692
Speaker 3: on the text machine nine two, nine to two. This

1768
01:25:43,772 --> 01:25:47,972
Speaker 3: one sees guys nylon all the way had wool for

1769
01:25:48,213 --> 01:25:53,652
Speaker 3: several years. It was difficult to clean, it smelt nylon.

1770
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:56,692
Speaker 3: On the other hand, incredibly user friendly and it was

1771
01:25:56,772 --> 01:25:57,612
Speaker 3: way cheaper.

1772
01:25:57,893 --> 01:25:58,093
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1773
01:25:58,133 --> 01:26:00,013
Speaker 2: Well, Brenda was on before saying you drop a red

1774
01:26:00,053 --> 01:26:02,253
Speaker 2: wine on your nylon just comes right off. Problems with

1775
01:26:02,293 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 2: the wall. It's not my experience. But I've got black

1776
01:26:04,572 --> 01:26:05,253
Speaker 2: wool carpets.

1777
01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:06,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to know what you're doing with the

1778
01:26:06,572 --> 01:26:11,293
Speaker 3: wall carpets though, don't you do you? Apparently I've got

1779
01:26:11,333 --> 01:26:12,892
Speaker 3: nyliner and the rental we're out at the moment.

1780
01:26:12,933 --> 01:26:14,852
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't. Just put some salt down

1781
01:26:14,853 --> 01:26:18,852
Speaker 2: on whatever it is. Get get the carpet cleaner, get

1782
01:26:18,853 --> 01:26:22,173
Speaker 2: out the vacum cleaner, and then just put a rug

1783
01:26:22,213 --> 01:26:23,452
Speaker 2: over it so no one can see.

1784
01:26:23,772 --> 01:26:26,093
Speaker 3: That's the way to go, Glenis, How are you?

1785
01:26:26,612 --> 01:26:29,692
Speaker 27: I'm fine. I live in a housing court block. I

1786
01:26:29,772 --> 01:26:34,133
Speaker 27: keep the place tidy and clean outside and inside, spotless,

1787
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:37,132
Speaker 27: open plan. Where I am at the moment, the catlong

1788
01:26:37,213 --> 01:26:41,852
Speaker 27: story short is a big concrete kitchen floor, a vinyl

1789
01:26:42,293 --> 01:26:45,253
Speaker 27: lino where the front door is. The heat pumps right

1790
01:26:45,253 --> 01:26:47,213
Speaker 27: by the front door, which is a stupid place to

1791
01:26:47,253 --> 01:26:50,852
Speaker 27: put that I've got a cryllic carpet which makes my

1792
01:26:50,973 --> 01:26:55,012
Speaker 27: leg static. In my leg, I can wear shoes, slippers

1793
01:26:55,053 --> 01:26:58,092
Speaker 27: and socks, but sometimes I get static in my feet

1794
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:01,293
Speaker 27: when I turn to my right and go up the seats.

1795
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:03,532
Speaker 27: They've got wooll carpet right through the top, and the

1796
01:27:03,572 --> 01:27:07,852
Speaker 27: staircase brown carpet and a gray acrylic carpet. House, but

1797
01:27:07,933 --> 01:27:11,253
Speaker 27: could they you know me different?

1798
01:27:11,492 --> 01:27:13,213
Speaker 3: So you're in a state home, are you, Glennis?

1799
01:27:14,053 --> 01:27:16,612
Speaker 27: Five years I moved. I hate to move out of

1800
01:27:16,612 --> 01:27:19,133
Speaker 27: my old house, but because I hadn't nowhere to go,

1801
01:27:19,213 --> 01:27:23,812
Speaker 27: I found this place myself through them. But the acrylic

1802
01:27:23,893 --> 01:27:28,412
Speaker 27: carpet is tauses static in my toes. Sometimes I can

1803
01:27:28,452 --> 01:27:31,412
Speaker 27: wear socks, and I can wear slippers, but sometimes you

1804
01:27:31,572 --> 01:27:35,293
Speaker 27: like to walk around and be feet occasionally, and then

1805
01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:38,253
Speaker 27: it makes my toes lock up. When I go up

1806
01:27:38,293 --> 01:27:42,372
Speaker 27: the stairs onto the wool carpet, My feet are completely different.

1807
01:27:42,452 --> 01:27:45,133
Speaker 27: My body, in my mind, everything is different on the

1808
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:48,493
Speaker 27: wool carpet. Relaxed, warm, comfortable.

1809
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:51,172
Speaker 2: Oh thank you so much for your call there, Glennas

1810
01:27:51,692 --> 01:27:55,612
Speaker 2: I mean, we all remember you know the static shocks.

1811
01:27:55,652 --> 01:27:57,372
Speaker 2: I was just talking to Andrew Dickens out in the

1812
01:27:57,532 --> 01:27:59,973
Speaker 2: in the kitchen before over a coffee, and he was

1813
01:27:59,973 --> 01:28:02,612
Speaker 2: pointing out the amount of static electorisy you'd built up

1814
01:28:02,612 --> 01:28:05,173
Speaker 2: on the nylon carpets and your plastic salt shoes when

1815
01:28:05,173 --> 01:28:08,812
Speaker 2: you're at when you're at at school in the day.

1816
01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:11,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do the old socks to try and build

1817
01:28:11,372 --> 01:28:11,652
Speaker 3: that up.

1818
01:28:11,692 --> 01:28:14,932
Speaker 2: You get yourself charged up like a text tesla coil.

1819
01:28:15,093 --> 01:28:18,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was one factor that wasn't taken into consideration,

1820
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:22,093
Speaker 3: the static factor during this tender process. Cleanness. Thank you

1821
01:28:22,253 --> 01:28:24,852
Speaker 3: very much. We better take a break. Oh one hundred

1822
01:28:24,853 --> 01:28:27,253
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

1823
01:28:27,293 --> 01:28:29,812
Speaker 3: two nine two is the text number. It is nineteen

1824
01:28:29,853 --> 01:28:30,372
Speaker 3: past three.

1825
01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:38,572
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1826
01:28:38,612 --> 01:28:40,493
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk SB.

1827
01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:43,612
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past three. We're talking about wooll

1828
01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:47,412
Speaker 3: carpet versus nylon carpet after our klang or order seeds.

1829
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:49,412
Speaker 3: They don't like wool carpet in their New State homes.

1830
01:28:49,492 --> 01:28:52,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, then it wouldn't even consider them. They specifically said,

1831
01:28:52,213 --> 01:28:56,053
Speaker 2: no will, no will will be considered. Smash the fact

1832
01:28:56,133 --> 01:28:59,452
Speaker 2: that we're in New Zealand. Yeah, with all our our sheep.

1833
01:28:59,692 --> 01:29:02,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, outrageous reard. How are you?

1834
01:29:03,093 --> 01:29:08,253
Speaker 8: Yes, hi hi Yeleman. I want to set something about

1835
01:29:08,812 --> 01:29:14,093
Speaker 8: the difference between wool and nylon carpets. To start with,

1836
01:29:14,372 --> 01:29:18,372
Speaker 8: I have no idea about nylon carpets. But my parents

1837
01:29:18,772 --> 01:29:22,812
Speaker 8: used the Persian carpets all their life, and we have

1838
01:29:23,013 --> 01:29:28,092
Speaker 8: inherited those same Persian carpets and we've been using them today.

1839
01:29:28,732 --> 01:29:30,652
Speaker 8: And that is we're talking about one hundred and one

1840
01:29:30,692 --> 01:29:36,293
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty years wool carpets, Persian wool carpets. The

1841
01:29:36,372 --> 01:29:39,933
Speaker 8: color is the same, it doesn't fade like one of

1842
01:29:39,973 --> 01:29:46,213
Speaker 8: the ladies in your program said. And the softness and

1843
01:29:46,253 --> 01:29:49,612
Speaker 8: the lush, luxury look of the wool carpet is not

1844
01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:51,693
Speaker 8: is unbeatable?

1845
01:29:52,133 --> 01:29:54,452
Speaker 2: Really, were your parents and were your parents in the

1846
01:29:54,492 --> 01:29:55,213
Speaker 2: carpet business?

1847
01:29:56,492 --> 01:30:00,372
Speaker 8: My parents were in the business of being living in Iraq.

1848
01:30:00,532 --> 01:30:01,692
Speaker 2: Ah right right?

1849
01:30:02,572 --> 01:30:05,452
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there is a lot in the Persian rugs.

1850
01:30:05,973 --> 01:30:08,053
Speaker 3: A lot of them are hand me down even here

1851
01:30:08,093 --> 01:30:10,692
Speaker 3: in you Zealand. So when you've got an heirloom that's

1852
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:12,532
Speaker 3: a rug, you know it's pretty good quality that it

1853
01:30:12,572 --> 01:30:13,253
Speaker 3: gets passed down.

1854
01:30:14,532 --> 01:30:18,973
Speaker 8: Well yeah, yeah, obviously there is this compass are hugmade

1855
01:30:19,333 --> 01:30:23,293
Speaker 8: And just to comment on the color. The color stays

1856
01:30:23,532 --> 01:30:25,893
Speaker 8: the color doesn't go on wool. Like one of the

1857
01:30:25,933 --> 01:30:30,572
Speaker 8: old ladies said, there's color stays on the ligon carpet

1858
01:30:30,812 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 8: and doesn't stay on wolf. That's not true. Yeah, if

1859
01:30:34,652 --> 01:30:35,732
Speaker 8: they use the right coloring.

1860
01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:41,652
Speaker 2: Ye. Hey, I've got a question for you now. I've

1861
01:30:41,652 --> 01:30:45,012
Speaker 2: got a Persian rug that I was given and I'm

1862
01:30:45,013 --> 01:30:46,772
Speaker 2: not sure how old it was, but someone said that

1863
01:30:46,853 --> 01:30:50,293
Speaker 2: every handmade one, there's there's intentionally put in the pattern

1864
01:30:51,213 --> 01:30:53,253
Speaker 2: just and you can look for it. And in the

1865
01:30:53,293 --> 01:30:56,732
Speaker 2: pattern as you go through, there's intentionally just a little,

1866
01:30:57,333 --> 01:31:01,092
Speaker 2: a little imperfection that's always added into into the pattern.

1867
01:31:01,293 --> 01:31:03,532
Speaker 2: Is that true.

1868
01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:10,572
Speaker 8: I'm not sure exactly what this description is. All the carpus, basically,

1869
01:31:10,572 --> 01:31:14,572
Speaker 8: the project carpuss are measured by the number of square

1870
01:31:14,652 --> 01:31:19,852
Speaker 8: knots and centimeter or something. The more obviously the better,

1871
01:31:20,412 --> 01:31:25,172
Speaker 8: meaning that they are woven in a much destly situation

1872
01:31:25,732 --> 01:31:30,772
Speaker 8: and that's what makes it extremely smooth, because there's no capping.

1873
01:31:31,213 --> 01:31:33,053
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I was the victim of a scam here,

1874
01:31:33,133 --> 01:31:37,692
Speaker 2: because because because because humans can never be perfect, and

1875
01:31:37,692 --> 01:31:42,052
Speaker 2: it's disrespectful to pretend that we are perfect as opposed

1876
01:31:42,093 --> 01:31:45,012
Speaker 2: to compared to God. That we're in. In any carpet

1877
01:31:45,013 --> 01:31:46,692
Speaker 2: that you have to put a little bit of a

1878
01:31:47,973 --> 01:31:52,213
Speaker 2: I guess an imperfection in there. Otherwise it's some kind

1879
01:31:52,213 --> 01:31:52,612
Speaker 2: of bad.

1880
01:31:53,013 --> 01:31:56,692
Speaker 8: Now I'm with you. There's nothing like that. No, there's

1881
01:31:56,732 --> 01:32:00,532
Speaker 8: no imperfection. What they are seeking, they would be seeking

1882
01:32:00,853 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 8: seeking for perfection.

1883
01:32:02,173 --> 01:32:05,452
Speaker 3: Look, there's a it's a good line there. There's just

1884
01:32:05,492 --> 01:32:06,452
Speaker 3: the artistic touch.

1885
01:32:06,893 --> 01:32:10,452
Speaker 9: The well.

1886
01:32:10,492 --> 01:32:14,173
Speaker 2: I'm very happy with my carpet, my Persian rug.

1887
01:32:14,532 --> 01:32:15,892
Speaker 25: Don't worry your carpets a bit.

1888
01:32:16,812 --> 01:32:18,812
Speaker 3: You're a good manery. Thank you, thanks so much for

1889
01:32:18,812 --> 01:32:21,892
Speaker 3: your cal Die. You reckon wall all the way.

1890
01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:27,293
Speaker 28: All the way mate. Honestly, I've been involved in textiles

1891
01:32:27,452 --> 01:32:31,053
Speaker 28: all my life and the ability, I mean, Wall is

1892
01:32:31,093 --> 01:32:35,452
Speaker 28: just the most amazing fiber. And the fact that the

1893
01:32:35,572 --> 01:32:40,612
Speaker 28: wall carpet will decompose right down, completely break down, There'll

1894
01:32:40,652 --> 01:32:44,732
Speaker 28: be nothing remaining over the years, whereas the nylon it

1895
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:49,133
Speaker 28: will be a nightmare. So I reckon the first of all,

1896
01:32:49,173 --> 01:32:51,852
Speaker 28: the contracts of the nylon carpet should be ripped up.

1897
01:32:52,372 --> 01:32:54,333
Speaker 28: I don't care what it takes. The government need to

1898
01:32:54,492 --> 01:32:58,412
Speaker 28: push this because the fact that they put out after

1899
01:32:58,492 --> 01:33:01,572
Speaker 28: the last lot, I think it was the Ministry of

1900
01:33:01,732 --> 01:33:07,052
Speaker 28: Education chose the nylon carpet for schools and they actually

1901
01:33:07,093 --> 01:33:09,612
Speaker 28: purchased it off and American company, I think it was.

1902
01:33:09,652 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 3: That's right.

1903
01:33:10,173 --> 01:33:14,532
Speaker 28: Yeah, so that is so so bad. So given the

1904
01:33:14,612 --> 01:33:21,892
Speaker 28: fact that Cayanger or have completely ignored the government's directive

1905
01:33:21,973 --> 01:33:25,892
Speaker 28: here or you know, trying to sway that, we've got

1906
01:33:25,893 --> 01:33:28,412
Speaker 28: to look at the whole factor, all the factors in this.

1907
01:33:29,213 --> 01:33:32,532
Speaker 28: I think that contract should be ripped up. And I

1908
01:33:32,612 --> 01:33:39,892
Speaker 28: think any Cayanger or a house or education house school,

1909
01:33:40,652 --> 01:33:44,812
Speaker 28: if they're going to use anything for nylon or not

1910
01:33:45,013 --> 01:33:48,852
Speaker 28: on carpets, it should have a twenty five percent tariff

1911
01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:54,973
Speaker 28: attached for the environmental property and the disposal of that

1912
01:33:55,973 --> 01:33:59,212
Speaker 28: because when that carpet gets pulled out of those houses

1913
01:33:59,333 --> 01:34:01,692
Speaker 28: and they will not last as long as the all carpet,

1914
01:34:02,412 --> 01:34:04,972
Speaker 28: that's going to have a dreadful impact on landfill.

1915
01:34:05,492 --> 01:34:07,973
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the government's not happy about this. Associate Agriculture

1916
01:34:07,973 --> 01:34:11,532
Speaker 2: Minister responsible for will Mark Patterson said tweaks to the

1917
01:34:11,532 --> 01:34:14,732
Speaker 2: purpose ers were made and he expected to announce them so,

1918
01:34:14,772 --> 01:34:17,333
Speaker 2: but he was saying it defies a clear intention of

1919
01:34:17,333 --> 01:34:23,213
Speaker 2: the coalition of government which does prioritize woolen fibers over

1920
01:34:23,732 --> 01:34:27,052
Speaker 2: in procurrent rules haven't been updated yet, but it seems

1921
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:30,612
Speaker 2: to be defying the intention that we move towards woolen

1922
01:34:30,612 --> 01:34:35,213
Speaker 2: fibers as opposed to these nylon plastic fibers. So it's

1923
01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:37,932
Speaker 2: quite a they're pretty keen on it. They're pretty keen

1924
01:34:37,973 --> 01:34:40,852
Speaker 2: on going nylon kang order because it seems to be

1925
01:34:41,933 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 2: it seems to be going against what the government wants.

1926
01:34:46,333 --> 01:34:46,532
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1927
01:34:46,572 --> 01:34:50,293
Speaker 28: Well, I would actually question why i'd really grill them

1928
01:34:50,333 --> 01:34:55,293
Speaker 28: over this big time, because the fact that it's cheap

1929
01:34:55,572 --> 01:34:58,532
Speaker 28: is just not that is not a good enough reason.

1930
01:34:58,692 --> 01:35:01,732
Speaker 28: And the fact that the carpet guy heard him being

1931
01:35:01,772 --> 01:35:05,773
Speaker 28: interviewed this morning, they would have done anything and everything

1932
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:08,772
Speaker 28: to try and work in and get a de across

1933
01:35:08,812 --> 01:35:13,093
Speaker 28: the road, because across the line, because basically, you know,

1934
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:15,933
Speaker 28: we all have to be smart on this. You know,

1935
01:35:15,973 --> 01:35:18,852
Speaker 28: we look at the Swedens and the Norway's and you

1936
01:35:18,893 --> 01:35:24,293
Speaker 28: know we're there smart thinking about you know, function form

1937
01:35:25,213 --> 01:35:28,492
Speaker 28: and the climate and the environment impact.

1938
01:35:28,732 --> 01:35:29,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so much.

1939
01:35:29,812 --> 01:35:33,133
Speaker 3: We called die nicely, said Richard, you're a good man

1940
01:35:33,173 --> 01:35:35,012
Speaker 3: to chet to because you are a sheep farmer.

1941
01:35:36,732 --> 01:35:40,812
Speaker 14: Yeah, all right, I've just walked away from the fame when.

1942
01:35:40,652 --> 01:35:41,053
Speaker 10: You got me.

1943
01:35:42,652 --> 01:35:43,372
Speaker 2: Come on back over.

1944
01:35:44,253 --> 01:35:45,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk wool.

1945
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:51,612
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's well. I consider it's a aly good product

1946
01:35:51,732 --> 01:35:55,812
Speaker 14: and we have sheep farmers. We haven't done it too

1947
01:35:55,933 --> 01:35:59,412
Speaker 14: much credit. Over the years. We had an organization called

1948
01:35:59,452 --> 01:36:02,572
Speaker 14: the ball Board, which was pretty useless, and then we

1949
01:36:02,732 --> 01:36:05,532
Speaker 14: elected to drop the Levee, which I think of the

1950
01:36:05,612 --> 01:36:11,333
Speaker 14: state because that went into promotion and product development that

1951
01:36:11,492 --> 01:36:17,452
Speaker 14: was pretty useful I think in parts. And the problem

1952
01:36:17,492 --> 01:36:20,372
Speaker 14: with wool carpets today, of course, is that we do

1953
01:36:20,492 --> 01:36:24,732
Speaker 14: have have that issue with Tarbot Beetle. I put tarbets

1954
01:36:24,772 --> 01:36:27,812
Speaker 14: in a house of mine back in the early eighties

1955
01:36:28,812 --> 01:36:32,812
Speaker 14: and the carpets then we fight because they had a

1956
01:36:32,812 --> 01:36:36,612
Speaker 14: product in them which bended. Anything like that happened. But

1957
01:36:36,692 --> 01:36:40,372
Speaker 14: of course we exported into Europe and they told us

1958
01:36:40,372 --> 01:36:43,572
Speaker 14: we had to get these these compounds out of our wool,

1959
01:36:44,692 --> 01:36:48,372
Speaker 14: and they haven't already found a substitute since then.

1960
01:36:48,812 --> 01:36:51,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be an unfair question, Richard. But wool

1961
01:36:51,452 --> 01:36:54,012
Speaker 3: industries and other countries around the world, are they doing

1962
01:36:54,093 --> 01:36:55,532
Speaker 3: better than our industry here?

1963
01:36:56,452 --> 01:36:57,013
Speaker 14: I don't think so.

1964
01:36:58,532 --> 01:36:59,812
Speaker 3: It's a worldwide issue.

1965
01:37:00,492 --> 01:37:03,452
Speaker 14: Fiber market world wide. I think it was pretty sad.

1966
01:37:04,612 --> 01:37:07,333
Speaker 14: You know, whether it's cotton or wool or you know.

1967
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:12,333
Speaker 14: And the synthetic boys cause their lard scale, they've got

1968
01:37:12,612 --> 01:37:18,173
Speaker 14: enormous funds they can channel in there product development sign.

1969
01:37:18,253 --> 01:37:21,972
Speaker 14: I mean they made enormous strides and synthetic cabets over

1970
01:37:22,013 --> 01:37:25,093
Speaker 14: the years to make them rook like wall. But it

1971
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:28,612
Speaker 14: still doesn't get away from that, you know, the micro

1972
01:37:28,772 --> 01:37:32,852
Speaker 14: fibers that the people complaining about the environment, you know,

1973
01:37:32,973 --> 01:37:36,253
Speaker 14: that certainly is the problem where we'll we'll right away,

1974
01:37:36,532 --> 01:37:37,932
Speaker 14: you know, in the environment.

1975
01:37:38,652 --> 01:37:41,253
Speaker 2: So we're just not doing enough as the wool industry

1976
01:37:41,253 --> 01:37:42,973
Speaker 2: at the moment, just not doing enough R and D

1977
01:37:43,372 --> 01:37:44,932
Speaker 2: and to developing the products.

1978
01:37:45,692 --> 01:37:47,652
Speaker 14: We haven't got the funds. Where are we going to

1979
01:37:47,692 --> 01:37:50,973
Speaker 14: get honey by farmers, sheep farmers that we're making a

1980
01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:55,333
Speaker 14: loss on actually producing wall not future in there. We're

1981
01:37:55,372 --> 01:37:58,612
Speaker 14: made made propt on the meat side of it, but

1982
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:00,692
Speaker 14: the wall side is a disaster, and that a lot

1983
01:38:00,732 --> 01:38:04,012
Speaker 14: of a lot of farmers are going to wallless breads

1984
01:38:04,133 --> 01:38:08,492
Speaker 14: or minimum wool sheet that shed their wool, which.

1985
01:38:09,933 --> 01:38:11,133
Speaker 7: I don't want to go down that road.

1986
01:38:11,173 --> 01:38:13,253
Speaker 14: I still like to think of the future, but it's

1987
01:38:13,333 --> 01:38:17,012
Speaker 14: not looking very rosy at the moment. You can but hope.

1988
01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:18,093
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1989
01:38:18,492 --> 01:38:20,973
Speaker 3: I mean I suppose listening to you talk, Richard, it

1990
01:38:21,053 --> 01:38:23,133
Speaker 3: comes down to even if it is more expensive, if

1991
01:38:23,173 --> 01:38:25,652
Speaker 3: it's better for the environment, it's a better product.

1992
01:38:25,973 --> 01:38:26,372
Speaker 21: It is.

1993
01:38:26,572 --> 01:38:28,173
Speaker 2: I mean, do you still think it is a better product?

1994
01:38:28,213 --> 01:38:30,093
Speaker 2: You said that the R and D hasn't been put

1995
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:32,372
Speaker 2: in there, but as do you still think that the

1996
01:38:32,412 --> 01:38:35,412
Speaker 2: wall is a better product than the nylon alternative for

1997
01:38:35,452 --> 01:38:36,372
Speaker 2: the carpets.

1998
01:38:36,452 --> 01:38:40,532
Speaker 14: Well, I think it is obviously biased because they grow

1999
01:38:40,612 --> 01:38:44,892
Speaker 14: the stuff. I was bloding your house. I certainly put

2000
01:38:44,933 --> 01:38:48,253
Speaker 14: wall cabinets. Yeah, and I've got I built the cottage

2001
01:38:48,293 --> 01:38:51,973
Speaker 14: for for a farm wagon. I mean putting all in

2002
01:38:52,013 --> 01:38:54,612
Speaker 14: carbets in the bedrooms, and I've used all.

2003
01:38:55,173 --> 01:38:55,852
Speaker 8: Bets for the.

2004
01:38:57,933 --> 01:39:02,532
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a fair because you know, I consider pink

2005
01:39:02,612 --> 01:39:05,013
Speaker 14: bats healthcare and I don't know if you ever put

2006
01:39:05,053 --> 01:39:06,852
Speaker 14: them in in a building yet.

2007
01:39:10,013 --> 01:39:10,772
Speaker 2: That terrible stuff.

2008
01:39:12,692 --> 01:39:14,572
Speaker 14: And you're living in a house with all those cat

2009
01:39:14,853 --> 01:39:15,732
Speaker 14: hanging over your head.

2010
01:39:15,853 --> 01:39:17,452
Speaker 25: Yeah, how good is that?

2011
01:39:17,893 --> 01:39:18,093
Speaker 18: Yeah?

2012
01:39:18,093 --> 01:39:19,412
Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'm getting a lot of frozen

2013
01:39:19,412 --> 01:39:21,612
Speaker 2: products delivered to my house these days, and they're wrapped

2014
01:39:21,612 --> 01:39:23,892
Speaker 2: in wool. Now, so that that that is an area

2015
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:24,372
Speaker 2: that will has.

2016
01:39:24,293 --> 01:39:27,492
Speaker 14: Been is well, we just we just need to be

2017
01:39:27,572 --> 01:39:29,852
Speaker 14: on the channel delivered the funds we have and the

2018
01:39:30,053 --> 01:39:32,372
Speaker 14: useful and useful areas you know.

2019
01:39:32,652 --> 01:39:33,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's.

2020
01:39:34,973 --> 01:39:35,093
Speaker 25: Well.

2021
01:39:35,093 --> 01:39:38,852
Speaker 2: It definitely seems confronting and a little bit surprising that

2022
01:39:39,253 --> 01:39:43,173
Speaker 2: Will was specifically ruled out as as a when it

2023
01:39:43,213 --> 01:39:45,092
Speaker 2: came to these carpets for the ko houses.

2024
01:39:45,372 --> 01:39:47,412
Speaker 3: I've got a funny suspicion there might be a one

2025
01:39:47,532 --> 01:39:50,412
Speaker 3: eighty on this from k I've just got it fairly

2026
01:39:50,572 --> 01:39:52,412
Speaker 3: that they might turn around and say, sorry, we got

2027
01:39:52,452 --> 01:39:52,812
Speaker 3: this wrong.

2028
01:39:52,973 --> 01:39:55,652
Speaker 2: Oh, anyway, it's been a fantastic chat, all right.

2029
01:39:55,772 --> 01:39:57,213
Speaker 3: Coming up next we're going to have a chance to

2030
01:39:57,333 --> 01:40:01,213
Speaker 3: Professor Karen Stockton, a marine biologist and an expert on

2031
01:40:01,333 --> 01:40:02,293
Speaker 3: wales strandings.

2032
01:40:02,692 --> 01:40:04,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right with the whale strandings. That feel I'll

2033
01:40:04,612 --> 01:40:07,253
Speaker 2: spat if you've got questions about whale strandings, because there

2034
01:40:07,293 --> 01:40:10,572
Speaker 2: are mystery to me and I'm sure there musttery to

2035
01:40:10,572 --> 01:40:12,892
Speaker 2: other people. Their nine two nine two. Send them through

2036
01:40:12,973 --> 01:40:15,812
Speaker 2: and will put them to the good professor. Also eight

2037
01:40:15,933 --> 01:40:18,093
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've ever wanted to

2038
01:40:18,173 --> 01:40:22,372
Speaker 2: know anything about well strandings, then give us a yell yep.

2039
01:40:22,532 --> 01:40:24,652
Speaker 3: It is twenty seven or four.

2040
01:40:27,333 --> 01:40:30,852
Speaker 5: Youth talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis it's

2041
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:33,852
Speaker 5: no trouble with the blue bubble. The jury has begun

2042
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:37,532
Speaker 5: deliberations in the murder trial of Ting Jun Chao, accused

2043
01:40:37,572 --> 01:40:40,692
Speaker 5: of killing christ your to real estate agent Ian Fei Bao.

2044
01:40:41,572 --> 01:40:44,333
Speaker 5: The Chief Ombodsman says many changes and needed to the

2045
01:40:44,412 --> 01:40:49,173
Speaker 5: compensation scheme for victims of abuse. Cullings begun for eighty

2046
01:40:49,253 --> 01:40:53,293
Speaker 5: thousand chickens at a Monarchy egg farm. Testings also being

2047
01:40:53,372 --> 01:40:56,572
Speaker 5: done at a small farm near Dunedin after bird death's

2048
01:40:56,652 --> 01:40:59,412
Speaker 5: there with the freezon movement of materials in and out

2049
01:40:59,452 --> 01:41:03,253
Speaker 5: of the farm. The Associate Energy Minister Shane Jones has

2050
01:41:03,293 --> 01:41:07,133
Speaker 5: told the Upper North Island Energy Forum he planned substantial

2051
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:12,333
Speaker 5: good disruption after the next election of institutional energy settings.

2052
01:41:13,253 --> 01:41:16,812
Speaker 5: The Education Minister's released her action plan to improve outcomes

2053
01:41:16,853 --> 01:41:21,572
Speaker 5: for students in Mardi Medium schools involving a curriculum refresh.

2054
01:41:22,572 --> 01:41:25,132
Speaker 5: The Government's made two hundred and fifty eight million dollars

2055
01:41:25,253 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 5: in the year's last emissions trading scheme, Carbon Auction. We're

2056
01:41:29,812 --> 01:41:32,492
Speaker 5: holding on by the skin of our teeth. A key

2057
01:41:32,572 --> 01:41:35,892
Speaker 5: we nurse of thirty seven years opens up about desperate

2058
01:41:36,053 --> 01:41:39,612
Speaker 5: staff shortages. You can see the story at NZED Herald Premium.

2059
01:41:40,333 --> 01:41:41,932
Speaker 5: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2060
01:41:42,053 --> 01:41:44,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Rayleen. It's twenty three to four with.

2061
01:41:44,652 --> 01:41:47,213
Speaker 2: The strandings at Farewell Spit Wales at the forefront of

2062
01:41:47,253 --> 01:41:49,293
Speaker 2: our minds again. So it's my very great pleasure to

2063
01:41:49,452 --> 01:41:52,092
Speaker 2: welcome to the show professor Karen Stock and a marine

2064
01:41:52,133 --> 01:41:56,333
Speaker 2: biologist at Massi University to discuss these whales strandings.

2065
01:41:56,853 --> 01:42:00,213
Speaker 3: Karen, very good afternoon, you thank you for your time, Suero,

2066
01:42:00,612 --> 01:42:02,812
Speaker 3: nice to have you. Thank you now just on the

2067
01:42:02,853 --> 01:42:05,933
Speaker 3: Farewell Spit situation with these pilot wales and I know

2068
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:08,053
Speaker 3: there were some of the whales that we stranded in

2069
01:42:08,133 --> 01:42:10,893
Speaker 3: so have been refloated again. I mean, just when we

2070
01:42:11,093 --> 01:42:13,372
Speaker 3: see the effort of these volunteers and the likes of

2071
01:42:13,412 --> 01:42:16,333
Speaker 3: Project Jonah, it's a monu mental effort, isn't it? And

2072
01:42:16,412 --> 01:42:17,972
Speaker 3: I imagine quite heartbreaking as well.

2073
01:42:19,133 --> 01:42:21,772
Speaker 29: Oh, it is without a doubt. I mean, the amount

2074
01:42:21,853 --> 01:42:26,533
Speaker 29: of coordination and resourcing in effort that obviously is investing

2075
01:42:26,853 --> 01:42:30,772
Speaker 29: in obviously refloating these animals is huge, and of course

2076
01:42:31,133 --> 01:42:33,532
Speaker 29: you've mentioned rightly so of course a lot of that

2077
01:42:33,652 --> 01:42:36,932
Speaker 29: also is the emotional effort involved in terms of investment.

2078
01:42:37,053 --> 01:42:40,173
Speaker 29: And these animals are obviously wild animals, but of course

2079
01:42:40,213 --> 01:42:44,052
Speaker 29: people do form attachments and can empathize with animals and distress,

2080
01:42:44,133 --> 01:42:47,333
Speaker 29: and so accordingly it's not surprising the heavy toll it

2081
01:42:47,412 --> 01:42:49,212
Speaker 29: takes some people rescuers are involved.

2082
01:42:50,173 --> 01:42:52,133
Speaker 2: Now we've got a bunch of questions to come through

2083
01:42:52,293 --> 01:42:54,053
Speaker 2: on our text machine ninety two nine two. You can

2084
01:42:54,053 --> 01:42:56,133
Speaker 2: also ring on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if

2085
01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:58,852
Speaker 2: you've got a question for the professor. Here's a question

2086
01:42:59,013 --> 01:43:02,812
Speaker 2: from Sasha. Why once refloated, how come the whales often

2087
01:43:02,933 --> 01:43:04,372
Speaker 2: restrand themselves.

2088
01:43:03,973 --> 01:43:07,612
Speaker 29: Again, Yeah, that's a great question, and like all good questions,

2089
01:43:07,652 --> 01:43:11,412
Speaker 29: as usually more for answers. In some cases we might

2090
01:43:11,532 --> 01:43:14,293
Speaker 29: have animals that are still disorientated. So if there has

2091
01:43:14,372 --> 01:43:17,612
Speaker 29: been an issue of disorientation that's caused the stranding in

2092
01:43:17,652 --> 01:43:20,372
Speaker 29: the first instance, it's not to say that the animals

2093
01:43:20,412 --> 01:43:23,812
Speaker 29: have been able to basically equilibrize and get their bearing.

2094
01:43:23,933 --> 01:43:26,692
Speaker 29: So sometimes you can see animals that will literally turn

2095
01:43:26,772 --> 01:43:29,412
Speaker 29: circle and come full in and you will have problems

2096
01:43:29,452 --> 01:43:31,293
Speaker 29: in trying to get them back out the deeper water.

2097
01:43:32,053 --> 01:43:35,132
Speaker 29: Other times it might well be because again there's social animals,

2098
01:43:35,173 --> 01:43:37,172
Speaker 29: and this is a big part of their ecology, especially

2099
01:43:37,213 --> 01:43:41,452
Speaker 29: mass strandings. They are social, they fall bonds. Sometimes mothers

2100
01:43:41,532 --> 01:43:44,412
Speaker 29: can be separated from calves as the consequence of that.

2101
01:43:44,572 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 29: We do know that it's very difficult to be able

2102
01:43:47,133 --> 01:43:51,333
Speaker 29: to get animals adult females, particularly out into deeper waters

2103
01:43:51,372 --> 01:43:53,293
Speaker 29: if they still have dependence to left on the beach,

2104
01:43:53,572 --> 01:43:55,932
Speaker 29: or dependence that may have died in the initial stranding.

2105
01:43:56,053 --> 01:43:59,093
Speaker 29: So we do the range of different things that can

2106
01:43:59,213 --> 01:44:03,492
Speaker 29: cause this. Sometimes basically there might be actual predators even

2107
01:44:03,572 --> 01:44:05,812
Speaker 29: in the area, which means that the acoustics of a

2108
01:44:06,372 --> 01:44:09,572
Speaker 29: nearby orcapod can ensure that the animals won't go further

2109
01:44:09,612 --> 01:44:11,452
Speaker 29: out and that they will remain closer and as well.

2110
01:44:11,532 --> 01:44:14,213
Speaker 29: So again, like all good questions, lots of different answers

2111
01:44:14,253 --> 01:44:16,293
Speaker 29: in every situation seems to be different.

2112
01:44:16,732 --> 01:44:20,973
Speaker 2: That's incredibly interesting. So when they have family members that

2113
01:44:21,093 --> 01:44:23,933
Speaker 2: are stranded, when they strand themselves be with them, do

2114
01:44:24,013 --> 01:44:26,692
Speaker 2: they think they can help or is it more just

2115
01:44:26,812 --> 01:44:29,133
Speaker 2: some kind of emotional need to be near the other

2116
01:44:29,532 --> 01:44:30,372
Speaker 2: members of their family.

2117
01:44:31,452 --> 01:44:34,333
Speaker 29: I mean, that's another great question. And the reality is,

2118
01:44:34,452 --> 01:44:36,973
Speaker 29: of course is that we don't know. We're obviously can

2119
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:41,852
Speaker 29: we can basically project our experiences in terms of being parents,

2120
01:44:41,933 --> 01:44:45,133
Speaker 29: for example, on being separated from our often, but of

2121
01:44:45,213 --> 01:44:50,653
Speaker 29: course our understanding of marine mammal cognition and also their connections.

2122
01:44:50,692 --> 01:44:52,692
Speaker 29: We know that they have very strong bonds. That much

2123
01:44:52,772 --> 01:44:55,612
Speaker 29: we're very clear on. But exactly you know to what

2124
01:44:55,853 --> 01:44:58,732
Speaker 29: level of cognition they have around whether or not they

2125
01:44:58,812 --> 01:45:01,772
Speaker 29: feel staying close can actually be in assistance and aid,

2126
01:45:01,853 --> 01:45:04,612
Speaker 29: or whether it's purely, as you say, in an emotional connection.

2127
01:45:04,652 --> 01:45:06,372
Speaker 29: There's something we just don't know the answer.

2128
01:45:06,133 --> 01:45:06,772
Speaker 8: To at this point.

2129
01:45:07,532 --> 01:45:11,612
Speaker 3: Interesting tiks tear or question from Sam. He says, Hi,

2130
01:45:11,772 --> 01:45:14,732
Speaker 3: please can you ask your expert why don't they invent

2131
01:45:14,812 --> 01:45:17,053
Speaker 3: a pump type hose that runs from the sea to

2132
01:45:17,133 --> 01:45:19,692
Speaker 3: help the whales rather than lots of individual buckets like

2133
01:45:19,732 --> 01:45:22,212
Speaker 3: a portable hose with a pump to help the volunteers,

2134
01:45:22,253 --> 01:45:22,732
Speaker 3: et cetera.

2135
01:45:24,412 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 29: Yeah, some great keeving engineity ideas coming up here, and

2136
01:45:28,692 --> 01:45:31,013
Speaker 29: they're often in the shortage of those. I mean, as

2137
01:45:31,053 --> 01:45:35,253
Speaker 29: you can imagine, there's lots of different areas regions where

2138
01:45:35,293 --> 01:45:37,852
Speaker 29: these mass trundings happen. Now, don't get me wrong, Golden

2139
01:45:37,893 --> 01:45:40,372
Speaker 29: Bay as a hotspot, we know that. But for those

2140
01:45:40,412 --> 01:45:43,812
Speaker 29: that know Golden Bay they'll also know how unforgiving that

2141
01:45:43,973 --> 01:45:46,253
Speaker 29: title process is in terms of how far it can

2142
01:45:46,732 --> 01:45:48,852
Speaker 29: how quickly the typing can wear and go out, so

2143
01:45:49,213 --> 01:45:51,852
Speaker 29: you know the extent of how far that pump would

2144
01:45:51,893 --> 01:45:54,333
Speaker 29: need to run, all the logistics. I mean, one of

2145
01:45:54,372 --> 01:45:55,972
Speaker 29: the things we struggle of at the moment is even

2146
01:45:56,013 --> 01:45:59,613
Speaker 29: getting fresh water and fresh food to get to volunteers

2147
01:45:59,812 --> 01:46:01,692
Speaker 29: on that site, because it is so remote in the

2148
01:46:01,732 --> 01:46:04,852
Speaker 29: first place, So depending on how far down the spit

2149
01:46:04,933 --> 01:46:08,253
Speaker 29: the animals actually strand in the first instance, the logistics

2150
01:46:08,412 --> 01:46:11,932
Speaker 29: of that are huge. So I think the engineering idea

2151
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Speaker 29: there is great, but of course, like most things, the

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Speaker 29: actual logistics of the environment that you're working in can

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01:46:17,492 --> 01:46:20,492
Speaker 29: be complicated. But I should say there have been occasions,

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01:46:20,532 --> 01:46:23,972
Speaker 29: and certainly in areas where there is accessibility to beaches,

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01:46:24,013 --> 01:46:26,173
Speaker 29: and certainly where there's been single stranded I know, for

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Speaker 29: an example, there was a single stranded orca some decades

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01:46:30,213 --> 01:46:34,133
Speaker 29: ago now up in off Fonger pri If I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 29: we're actually those kind of pumps, and actually even a

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01:46:37,772 --> 01:46:40,293
Speaker 29: fire truck was used to keep the animal cool. So

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Speaker 29: I mean, again, there are ways of doing it, but

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Speaker 29: it all, as most things, tends to be very much

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01:46:45,053 --> 01:46:48,253
Speaker 29: circumstance based depending on how remote your location is.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Professor Karen Stock and a marine biologist

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Speaker 2: at Messi University about whales strandings. This is a question

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Speaker 2: that's come through in nine two nine two from an

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Speaker 2: are whales breaching more often than they used to?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, So I find this question comes up a lot,

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Speaker 29: and I think again what we need to be clear

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01:47:07,173 --> 01:47:10,893
Speaker 29: on is the different types of strandings. So mass strandings,

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Speaker 29: which is the type we've got going on at the moment,

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01:47:13,452 --> 01:47:15,253
Speaker 29: and that has been going on for obviously the three

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01:47:15,372 --> 01:47:18,852
Speaker 29: days over for the pilot wells and farewells, that's known

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Speaker 29: as a mass stranding, and a mass stranding basically is

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Speaker 29: something that has been happening since the eighteen hundreds in

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Speaker 29: that area. So doc has records right the way back,

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01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:28,452
Speaker 29: you know, hundreds of years where we look at the

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01:47:28,492 --> 01:47:31,772
Speaker 29: consistency and have analyzed the consistency of those stranding events

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01:47:31,853 --> 01:47:34,893
Speaker 29: over the decades. And no, there isn't any evidence to

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01:47:34,933 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 29: suggest that we see more of those kind of mass

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01:47:37,213 --> 01:47:41,772
Speaker 29: stranding events now than maybe, you know, two three decades ago. However,

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01:47:42,053 --> 01:47:44,293
Speaker 29: as I mentioned, there's lots of different types of straindings.

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Speaker 29: So for example, there are groups of animals that sometimes

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01:47:46,933 --> 01:47:50,213
Speaker 29: can strand which are not typical to that region or

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01:47:50,772 --> 01:47:53,692
Speaker 29: that particular species for that manner, so they're often known

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Speaker 29: as unusual mortality events. Now we do see more of

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01:47:57,213 --> 01:47:59,572
Speaker 29: these now than maybe what we would have done ten,

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01:47:59,692 --> 01:48:03,492
Speaker 29: twenty thirty years ago. And likewise, also when it comes

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01:48:03,532 --> 01:48:06,572
Speaker 29: to monitoring strandings, yes, at the moment, if you look

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01:48:06,612 --> 01:48:09,852
Speaker 29: at the recent records of single stranded animals, it would

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01:48:09,893 --> 01:48:12,892
Speaker 29: appear that there are obviously more strandings possibly now than

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01:48:12,933 --> 01:48:15,293
Speaker 29: what they may have been again over more recent decades.

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01:48:16,093 --> 01:48:18,173
Speaker 29: The other flip side to that, though, is when you

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01:48:18,253 --> 01:48:21,053
Speaker 29: analyze that data, you have to take into consideration how

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01:48:21,213 --> 01:48:23,733
Speaker 29: observer coverage has changed.

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01:48:23,452 --> 01:48:24,092
Speaker 8: Over the years.

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Speaker 29: So if you look in the sixties and the seventies

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01:48:26,612 --> 01:48:28,372
Speaker 29: and the eighties, yes you won't see as many of

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01:48:28,412 --> 01:48:32,012
Speaker 29: those single stranding events reported. But of course were people

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01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:35,253
Speaker 29: living closer to beaches or being in proximity to those beaches,

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01:48:35,372 --> 01:48:38,412
Speaker 29: or walking or recreationally using those beaches in the same

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01:48:38,452 --> 01:48:41,212
Speaker 29: way that they do today when often these animals are reported.

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Speaker 29: So there's also the observer bias. We do see some

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01:48:44,452 --> 01:48:47,293
Speaker 29: differences in trends, but we also have to recognize that

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01:48:47,412 --> 01:48:49,933
Speaker 29: some of those may not necessarily be a change in

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01:48:50,013 --> 01:48:52,572
Speaker 29: the frequency of stranding, but more a change in the

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01:48:52,652 --> 01:48:55,572
Speaker 29: frequency of reporting of those strandings, which of course are

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01:48:55,572 --> 01:48:56,253
Speaker 29: two different things.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting, Karen, are you okay to hang with us

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Speaker 3: for another couple of minutes. We've got plenty of questions

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Speaker 3: coming through and we'll get part of those. Yep, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you had a question for Professor Carro Stockton

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Speaker 3: on Wales strandings. Ninety two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: It is a quarter to four.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ties and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four youth Talk Sa'd be thirteen to four And we've.

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Speaker 2: In a fantastic conversation with Professor Karen stock And and

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Speaker 2: Marine Bolish is a biologist at Messy University on Wales strandings.

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Speaker 2: And Karen, we've got a question here from David. David

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01:49:37,213 --> 01:49:38,892
Speaker 2: your question for the professor?

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Speaker 24: Oh, yes, Helloston, how are you hello?

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01:49:44,053 --> 01:49:44,333
Speaker 28: David?

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01:49:46,253 --> 01:49:51,253
Speaker 24: Have you come across the Effect on Wales with powerful sona.

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01:49:53,452 --> 01:49:55,652
Speaker 29: Yeah, no, that's a great question. I think you'll find

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01:49:55,732 --> 01:49:59,133
Speaker 29: that there's certainly been a sad better are you asking

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01:49:59,213 --> 01:50:02,692
Speaker 29: the question around how sona itself may impact the Wales?

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01:50:03,213 --> 01:50:04,293
Speaker 10: Is that you here? Yeah?

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01:50:04,532 --> 01:50:06,852
Speaker 24: Yeah, you know where the sona is coming from, don't you.

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01:50:08,532 --> 01:50:14,652
Speaker 24: The toilers are using it so when they bring the

2231
01:50:14,853 --> 01:50:18,013
Speaker 24: net in and they get their catch, they use the

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01:50:18,173 --> 01:50:21,892
Speaker 24: sona to direct them to the next pod of fish

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01:50:23,013 --> 01:50:26,253
Speaker 24: because they don't want to run around trying to where

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01:50:26,293 --> 01:50:29,372
Speaker 24: to go. They want the sona to tell them where

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01:50:29,412 --> 01:50:32,652
Speaker 24: it is. Now, as I understand that, I spoke to

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01:50:32,772 --> 01:50:36,892
Speaker 24: doc about it and they were horrified because they didn't

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01:50:36,973 --> 01:50:40,572
Speaker 24: know what was going on there. So the trailers are

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01:50:40,732 --> 01:50:45,093
Speaker 24: using that. Some of their sona, depending on the frequency,

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01:50:45,173 --> 01:50:46,653
Speaker 24: can go one hundred kilometers.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll just let the professor answer their David's good question, the.

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01:50:53,133 --> 01:50:56,532
Speaker 2: Effect of human human made sona on Wales.

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01:50:57,732 --> 01:50:59,213
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a really good question.

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01:50:59,333 --> 01:51:01,492
Speaker 29: I'd say to be very New Zealand that there has

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01:51:01,532 --> 01:51:05,372
Speaker 29: been limited studies in relation to our understanding of sonar

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01:51:05,452 --> 01:51:08,772
Speaker 29: effects on marine mammals and sonar effects with god some

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01:51:08,893 --> 01:51:11,892
Speaker 29: more broad you know, the military staff sona have been

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01:51:11,933 --> 01:51:14,492
Speaker 29: done on a number of species internationally, and I think

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01:51:14,532 --> 01:51:17,732
Speaker 29: perhaps for example big whales and the canaries, and certainly

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01:51:17,772 --> 01:51:21,612
Speaker 29: in the US. Obviously we understand as the somewhat limited

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01:51:21,933 --> 01:51:25,213
Speaker 29: use of such military sonar in the Zealand waters except

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01:51:25,253 --> 01:51:28,692
Speaker 29: for in specific testing zones. But certainly when you talk

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01:51:28,732 --> 01:51:31,812
Speaker 29: about CUNER in relation to fisheries, I mean again that

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01:51:31,933 --> 01:51:35,492
Speaker 29: the key thing here is in many cases you're likely

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01:51:35,572 --> 01:51:38,732
Speaker 29: to see in many cases, more broadly, behavioral interactions or

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01:51:38,772 --> 01:51:42,412
Speaker 29: behavioral changes as a post necessarily depending on the frequency,

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01:51:42,492 --> 01:51:46,093
Speaker 29: I should say, rather than physiological impacts that you might

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01:51:46,173 --> 01:51:48,732
Speaker 29: see from the point of view at post mortem. So

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01:51:48,933 --> 01:51:52,372
Speaker 29: again not to say that, you know, if you're talking

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01:51:52,412 --> 01:51:55,892
Speaker 29: about major blasting major sonar from the point of view

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01:51:55,933 --> 01:51:58,892
Speaker 29: where you could get disruption to ear canals or bruising

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01:51:58,933 --> 01:52:00,652
Speaker 29: of the melon or things like that, being yes, we

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01:52:00,732 --> 01:52:03,652
Speaker 29: would pick that up in post bordem I can say

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01:52:03,692 --> 01:52:05,572
Speaker 29: that certainly in the ones that we do, we don't

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01:52:05,612 --> 01:52:09,053
Speaker 29: pick that kind of disturbance up in terms of physiological

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01:52:09,133 --> 01:52:10,932
Speaker 29: sense to the animals. But that's not to say there

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01:52:11,013 --> 01:52:13,732
Speaker 29: isn't some level of behavioral disruption. And I take on

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01:52:13,812 --> 01:52:15,932
Speaker 29: board your question then, because of course there is probably

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01:52:16,213 --> 01:52:19,173
Speaker 29: lots that we don't necessarily understand around how dolphins are

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01:52:19,213 --> 01:52:20,452
Speaker 29: interacting with fisheries boats.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for you call, David. Now, obviously whales aren't

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01:52:23,893 --> 01:52:25,572
Speaker 2: meant to be out of the water. It's horrible on

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01:52:25,652 --> 01:52:29,173
Speaker 2: the organs on their bones being on land with the

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01:52:29,253 --> 01:52:31,932
Speaker 2: lack of floatation. When does it become cruel to keep

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01:52:31,933 --> 01:52:34,492
Speaker 2: them alive on the beach and who makes the call

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Speaker 2: to euthanize them if they've been sitting there too long?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, that is always a very difficult question to answer.

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01:52:44,013 --> 01:52:46,772
Speaker 29: And the reality is, as you've rightly pointed out, obviously

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01:52:47,333 --> 01:52:50,372
Speaker 29: really easy islander myself included, when we're involved in these

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01:52:50,452 --> 01:52:53,173
Speaker 29: mass stranding events. For any stranded money mammal event, To

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01:52:53,213 --> 01:52:56,852
Speaker 29: be honest, you are hopeful that you can maximize the

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01:52:57,013 --> 01:52:59,612
Speaker 29: survival of as many animals as possible. So you want

2282
01:52:59,652 --> 01:53:03,013
Speaker 29: to get as many animals back into the water that

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01:53:03,173 --> 01:53:06,972
Speaker 29: are fit and non injured and have the capability basically

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01:53:07,053 --> 01:53:09,852
Speaker 29: of surviving beyond release, because that's obviously what we're all

2285
01:53:09,893 --> 01:53:12,852
Speaker 29: aiming for now. In some cases, obviously you can get

2286
01:53:12,893 --> 01:53:16,492
Speaker 29: animals that have become injured in a way that's not

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01:53:16,692 --> 01:53:19,412
Speaker 29: compatible to survival. So I don't just mean cuts and

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01:53:19,492 --> 01:53:21,412
Speaker 29: grazes and maybe a bit of blood because we can

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01:53:22,013 --> 01:53:25,013
Speaker 29: all survive scrapes humans as well as marine mammals. But

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01:53:25,133 --> 01:53:28,612
Speaker 29: what I'm referring to is major damage to pectoral fins

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01:53:28,812 --> 01:53:33,492
Speaker 29: or broken jaws or things that basically would basically disabled

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01:53:33,532 --> 01:53:36,133
Speaker 29: the animal to be able to feed. So in those

2293
01:53:36,253 --> 01:53:38,893
Speaker 29: kinds of scenarios where they can't they can't mobilize, and

2294
01:53:38,933 --> 01:53:42,133
Speaker 29: they can't feed, then yes, you obviously have those questions now.

2295
01:53:42,412 --> 01:53:44,492
Speaker 29: To be fair, obviously that's part of the assessment that

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01:53:44,612 --> 01:53:47,293
Speaker 29: goes on on beaches. So you will find that during

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01:53:47,572 --> 01:53:51,213
Speaker 29: the time the animals are being usually uprighted and stabilized

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01:53:51,293 --> 01:53:55,173
Speaker 29: and kept call both Department of Conservation who are obviously

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01:53:55,213 --> 01:53:58,412
Speaker 29: on the scene and very much looking at aspects of

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01:53:58,492 --> 01:54:01,772
Speaker 29: how the situations are managed from a legislative point of view.

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01:54:02,053 --> 01:54:05,932
Speaker 29: They are doing so obviously in in coordination with EWE

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01:54:06,053 --> 01:54:09,492
Speaker 29: to the local Hapoo who are obviously working and likewise

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Speaker 29: usually scientists involved as well, so we can help and

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01:54:12,253 --> 01:54:15,733
Speaker 29: identify where animals may not be viable basically for reflotation.

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Speaker 29: So the decision obviously comes from obviously the authorities in

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01:54:19,492 --> 01:54:21,932
Speaker 29: that sense, but the reality is it's always supported by

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Speaker 29: the partners.

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Speaker 2: So just finally, what should someone do if they see

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01:54:26,372 --> 01:54:28,772
Speaker 2: see a whale that's been beached? What's the first thing

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Speaker 2: that you do?

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Speaker 29: But the first thing that you do is, first of all,

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01:54:32,493 --> 01:54:35,533
Speaker 29: just report this. There is obviously O A pundred dog

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Speaker 29: hot is a hotline and likewise Project Journals O A

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01:54:39,413 --> 01:54:42,613
Speaker 29: tendred Dumber as well of recording the animal, it's to

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Speaker 29: me obviously you want to be sure. Obviously if you've

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01:54:45,453 --> 01:54:48,093
Speaker 29: see the live animal, then Project Jenner and Department of

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01:54:48,093 --> 01:54:51,052
Speaker 29: Conservation is the first part of call. Usually in either

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01:54:51,173 --> 01:54:53,373
Speaker 29: of those events, even if it turns out the animal

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01:54:53,533 --> 01:54:55,413
Speaker 29: is not alive, it will still come through a process

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Speaker 29: of the relevant people being contacted, obviously, in the first instance,

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Speaker 29: discussions with EWE and likewise with scientists such as myself.

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Speaker 3: Professor, thank you very much for your time. We'll have

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Speaker 3: to get you back on again.

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Speaker 29: No, it's happy to help.

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Speaker 3: Professor Karen Stockton, a marine biologist and expert and well Strandings.

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