1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: The issues, these reviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: early edition with one roof make your property search simple, 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: new stalks, it'd. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Be welcome morning to you, Welcome into the program. Thank 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: you so much for choosing us today. In the next hour, 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: the government gives money for deep water salmon farming. Now 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: is this a winner? We'll talk to the aquaculture CEO 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: in five minutes. The Wellington water scandal. How did Wellington 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: get so ripped off with its water and what are 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: they going to do about it? The Poilo grower mayor 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: joins us in ten minutes. Australia has a tropical cyclone 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: bearing down on it. Don at de Mayo with details 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: after five point thirty. And there's more money to train 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: up doctors from overseas. So why is this money coming 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: so late? And now will it help that story? Just 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: before six we'll have corresponders from right around New Zealand 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: and all around the world and news as it breaks. 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: And you can contribute by texting me at the number 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: to texts ninety two to ninety two. A small charge 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: applies if you want to write to me. It is 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Dickens at Newstalk STB dot co dot NZ. It's seven 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: after five. 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: The agenda. 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the fourth of February. First to the Russian 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: Ukraine War. UK President Takia Stamer has told us MPs 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: that Britain will play or will play a leading role 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: in securing peace. He says, if necessary, this could involve 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: boots on the ground and planes of the year. Meanwhile, 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: French President Emmanuel Macran has suggested a partial one month 30 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: truce in Ukraine. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 3: It would be for a month, a truth that would 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: consist on a ceasefire on air sea and also with 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: regards to energetical installations, but the combats on the grounds 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: would potentially continue, and if this is respected, then we 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: would move to the second step of the plan, which 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: wouldn't pay of course, stopping all combats on the battlefield 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: and working on an agreeable keys deal. 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: Been driving into crowds again in Germany. One person has 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: been killed and several others injured after a car drove 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: into a crowd in the western city of Mannheim. Police 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: say a suspect has been arrested and people in the 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: city have been told to stay indoors. Police have not 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: specified whether the incident was deliberate or an accident, but 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: you know, Germany has experienced several of these attacks in 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: the past year. 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: What we do know is that the car drove into 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: a crowd of people. We also know that Mannheim at 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 4: the moment is celebrating Carnival. Today in Germany is rosa 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: montag that needs sort of rose or pink Monday. It's 50 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: an important day in the carnival calendar. And there is 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: food stools in parts of Mannheim and fairground Rise. 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: And finally to Los Angeles, and it was a historic 53 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: night at the Oscars yesterday. The night began with this 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: performance from Ariander Grande and Cynthia Rivo from the film Wicked. 55 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 5: There's no fight, we cannot will never bring us dumb. 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: Big song. 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 6: Eh. 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: There were no slaps, there were no mix ups announcing 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: who's won which award, But it was the first time 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: an independent film won five awards. The romantic comedy An 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Order took home Best Actress for breakout star Mikey Madison, 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: much to the shock of Demi Moore, and also a 63 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: record breaking four prizes for its director Sean Baker. And 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: here's a clip from Mikey Madison's acceptance speech. 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 7: This is a dream come true. I'm probably gonna wake 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 7: up tomorrow. I also just want to again recognize and 67 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 7: honor the sex worker community. 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 6: I will. 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 7: I will continue to support and be an ally all 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 7: of the incredible people, the women that I've had the 71 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 7: privilege of meeting from that community. Has been one of 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 7: the highlights of this incredible of this entire incredible experience. 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure she did wake up today. And finally, I'd 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: just like to apologize for the fact that I said 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: February when, of course it is now the fourth of March. 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: But you know, this year is just going too quick. 77 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: It's eleven after five. 78 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth 79 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: analysis early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: Your Property Search Simple News Talk zid Bey. 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: I was shocked yesterday. There is no worse story than 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: the scandal around Wellington Water. Scathing reports released yesterday confirmed 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: that Wellington ratepayers have been ripped off for an unplanned 84 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: pipe maintenance, and they've been paying three times more than 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: other ratepayers in other cities. Wellington Water had few systems 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: in place to detect and prevent fraud. Chairban Nick Leggett 87 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: has apologized and offered to resign Meanwhile, the former CEO 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: has been vilified for a lack of oversight, and so 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: the public servants have rightfully got it in the neck. 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: The structure of their system and the oversight has been 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: woefully negligent. But come on, at the root of the 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: matter are the people who had no qualms in ripping 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: off their fellow Wellington ratepayers. And talking about the contractors, 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't know how they live with themselves. They must 95 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: be known to their neighbors. Everyone now knows how they 96 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: make their money by fleecing the people of Wellington. We 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: now know where you got your batch. We now know 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: where you got your new ute that you're so proud of. 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: And this is not the New Zealand way. We've always 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: prided ourselves in a relative lack of corruption in our 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: business community. But hello, and Wellington Water contractors have imagined 102 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: they're in the sopranos and they have merely roughted the 103 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: system for years and possibly laughed about it. Wellington Water 104 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: is being disestablished and their systems will be brought up 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: to speed for the new entity. But for the contractors 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: who have ripped their fellow citizens off, you should reconsider 107 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: your future and you should get out of business because 108 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: you are not to be trusted. 109 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Dickens. 110 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Anita Baker, the mayor of 111 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: Poderua shortly on this in about ten minutes time. Hey, 112 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: how about all these private spaceships landing on the Moon. 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: You saw it on the telly last night on Sunday. 114 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: Firefly Aerospace's Blue Ghost ship touchdown and I've seen the 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: wonderful video of the view as it's skimmed across the 116 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: surface of the Moon. The Moon still looks like a 117 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: crater poked gravel pit, but it looked amazing on Thursday, 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: and ai intuitive Lander will arrive. It'll be their second. 119 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: Their first landed back in February last year, but unfortunately 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: it toppled over it May. A Japanese company called ice 121 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: Space is expected to land the air craft. So the 122 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: race is on, and that's a challenge to NASA and 123 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: Elon Musk and their Artemis project. That project's very expensive, 124 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: but it has the support of Donald Trump because he 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: wants to use it as a staging point to get 126 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: all the way to Mars. But all these competitors, these 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: private competitors getting to the Moon on the cheap is 128 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: giving the States the willy wobbles. The Chinese have talked 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: about a manned moon base by twenty thirty, and that's soon. 130 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: And one US congressman is very worried about the Chinese, 131 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: saying his greatest fear is that they will get to 132 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: the moon only to be greeted by a no trespassing 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: notice written in Amandarin. 134 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens, it's by fourteen. 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: So the government has given money into salmon farming. You 136 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: have to ask why and why couldn't the public set 137 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: to get in? 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 8: It's what how much? 139 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: It's about twelve million dollars. They reckon this will increase 140 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: exports by five hundred million. So if it's such a 141 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: good deal, where's the private money? Anyway? That's a good question, 142 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: and I'll ask that of Gary Hooper, here is the 143 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: CEO of aquaculture in New Zealand. He's my guess. Next 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: here on NEWSTALKSB. 145 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: and one Roof Make Your Property Search Simple News Talk. 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: Zib it's sixteen past five. The government's betting our aquaculture 148 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: will go from strength to strength. That's putting on almost 149 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: twelve million dollars into salmon farming, mainly to expand it 150 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: to deep water and to prove that it all works. 151 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: If it does, it's thought it could increase salmon exports 152 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: by five hundred million dollars. So Agriculture New Zealand CEO 153 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: Gary Hooper has got up early for us. Good morning 154 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: to you. 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 9: Gary, Oh, good morning, Andrew, good morning. 156 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: So tell me about deep water salmon farming and how 157 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: will this money help. 158 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 9: Well, I'm pleased. It was great news yesterday and of 159 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 9: course this is a good news water story in contrary 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 9: to what's happening in Wellington. It seems look a wonderful announcement. 161 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 9: Eleven point seven million CO invested in a program. It's 162 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 9: a five year program. The total program's twenty nine million 163 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 9: dollars in this with New Zealand King Salmon's Blue Endeavor 164 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 9: project in the top end just just off or seven 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 9: kilometers off the northern end of the Marlboro Sounds. And 166 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 9: it is a essentially proof of commercial pilot. And there's 167 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 9: three elements to it. Is the farming system, a new 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 9: freshwater hatchery using rast technology, recirculating aguaculture system technology, so 169 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 9: that's novel. And of course is the breeding components as 170 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 9: well to ensure we get the most resilient and productive 171 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 9: fish farms out there. The five hundred million dollar experts, 172 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 9: I think that's pretty conservative. When this system, when this 173 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 9: farm's up and running and there are others in the pipeline, 174 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 9: could be up to fifty or sixty thousand tons in total. 175 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 9: That would when it's all up and running, that would 176 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 9: be well in excess of a billion dollars. So I 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 9: think five hundred million by twenty thirty five that's probably conservative, 178 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 9: but also quite realistic. 179 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: Well, if you're saying twelve million from the government, thirty 180 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: million dollar investments, only a billion dollars coming in. If 181 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: it's such a good investment, hasn't the private sector been 182 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: getting stuck in? 183 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 9: So this is a pioneering activity and it's it's kind 184 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 9: of new anywhere. You know, the handful of countries that 185 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 9: are fortunate enough to be able to farm salmon because 186 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 9: of their you know, they have appropriate water conditions, et cetera. 187 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 9: Traditionally it's been in sheltered, enclosed waters. The move to 188 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 9: salmon farming, expansion of salmon farming, and New Zealand's not 189 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 9: the only country with ambitions, but likely future growth is 190 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 9: to be in the open water. Conditions are you know, 191 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 9: obviously more energized out there, and new systems need to 192 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 9: be developed to achieve that are not without Sorry, it 193 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 9: has its challenges, and look the reason the government is 194 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 9: getting behind it not only is that the export growth opportunity, 195 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 9: but the experience and the learnings, the you know, the 196 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 9: systems that will be developed can be passed on to 197 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 9: other entrants. And bear in mind one of the quite 198 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 9: unique situations that New Zealand has is any new aquaculture. 199 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 9: So any new aquaculture has a commercial mari commercial agriculture 200 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 9: settlement component. So in many ways e we are hardwired 201 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 9: into the opportunity and so that's kind of a unique 202 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 9: element too. And anything that we can help de risk 203 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 9: that and accelerate the development has to be a good thing. 204 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: Well, we love an increase in exports, don't we. Gary Hooper, 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: who's from aquaculture in New Zealand, he's the CEO, thank 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. I am horrified, as 207 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: you already know, about what happened down in Wellington about 208 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: the water. So what's going to happen going forward? We're 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: going to talk to the plot of m mare in 210 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: just a moment. It's twenty past five. 211 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with 212 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and One Roof to make your property search simple. 213 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: You talk said be It is. 214 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: Five twenty two. So councils in Wellington are furious. I'm 215 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 2: furious with a new scathing report into Wellington Water, just 216 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 2: as we thought the agency couldn't get any worse. The 217 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: report found alleged theft, poor value for money from contractors, 218 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: and major structural issues. In fact, it says the Lower 219 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: North Island rate payers have coughed up three times what 220 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: it should have cost to fix the pipes. So Anita 221 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: Baker is the Polarua mayor and joins me now coccording 222 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: to you, Anita. 223 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 10: Good morning. 224 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: How was this allowed to happen? 225 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 6: Not just bloody? 226 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 10: Is shocking the internal systems that Wellington Water with the 227 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 10: competitive tendering process a complete jackaup just just disgrace. 228 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 229 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: Let's remember that last year Wellington Water revealed a fifty 230 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: one million dollar budget error. Remember that, of course you do. 231 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: It seems like the whole organization has been a clown show. 232 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 10: It certainly feels like that, and I have to think 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 10: the new ce pet Dockerty and netlegates are running this 234 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 10: report and finding out these processes. Once that new CEE 235 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 10: came into place, staff just came out of the woodwork 236 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 10: with the issues and we've been complaining about the pricing. 237 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 10: And this report is an absolute. 238 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: Eye open So staff knew about the issues. 239 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 10: Staff internally had problems and I think just didn't want 240 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 10: to come forward. You know, other people knew things. So 241 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 10: I think that organization has completely changed since pet Dockety 242 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 10: has taken over. We're certainly you know, the processes have 243 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 10: changed and they've got the even even though they didn't 244 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 10: have an IT system, For God's sake, how can do 245 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 10: you not have an IT system that pay roll and 246 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 10: everything else they were relying on contract. 247 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: Yes, perhaps they borrowed it because they didn't have enough 248 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: money to make their own. 249 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 10: Yes, it was never set up from the start. Wellington 250 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 10: Water was set up to fail from my point of 251 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 10: view all those years ago. Sure, and it has not 252 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 10: been done. 253 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: Should Nick le get step down his chair he's offered. 254 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 10: I personally don't think you should. We're a year out 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 10: from water reforms. Him and Pat are working exceptionally well together. 256 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 10: We're out for two new directors at the moment. Why 257 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 10: would you push someone who's just just revealed what we 258 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 10: wanted them to come out and tell us there was issues. 259 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 10: I just don't see why you chop the head off 260 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 10: something when they're working well as good as a team 261 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 10: and we need the processes in place to go forward 262 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 10: with water reforms. So personally, I can't see the point. 263 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, because it's not the problems, not 264 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: with the head, it's with what's happening at the base. 265 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: So you pilot of a city, you're working with Hot City, 266 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: Upperhut City, Wellington City and Greater Wellington Regional Councils alongside 267 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: EWE Partners on a new model for water services delivery 268 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: and that new entity you're hoping to begin in July 269 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, is this under the local water done well? 270 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: And are you looking to pull your ability to borrow 271 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: more money so you can thanks the bloody pipes? 272 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 10: You're not wrong because we've got lots of pipes that 273 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 10: need faxing, So yes we are, and water done well 274 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 10: is the only way to SEXU and I think this 275 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 10: proves us. 276 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: Oh Anita, I thank you so much. I'm so sorry 277 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: and I thank you so much for your time today. 278 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: It is shocking, absolutely shocking. It's five twenty six. I'll 279 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: tell what else was shocking. We get doctors coming into 280 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: this country and they want to work, but they can't 281 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: because they can't get training. But finally we've done something 282 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: about that. We'll talk about that next the Early. 283 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Edition Full Show podcast on Ironheart Radio powered by NEWSTALKSB. 284 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is now five twenty seven. So 285 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: here's a question for you. How did we manage to 286 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: bring in so many people to this country and get 287 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: fail to have enough doctors when we get there. This 288 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: is the question we've all asked every surge of immigration 289 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: we've ever had. There's been many surges of immigration. 290 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 8: I'm one. 291 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: I came out in nineteen sixty five with my English 292 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: father and my Kiwi mum. There's been many more waves. 293 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: We've had millions of people arrive in this country. Have 294 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: we had thousands of doctors arrive and start practicing as well? 295 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: No, we have not. 296 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: Every time we've opened the door, there seems to have 297 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: been attitude that will take the immigrants, labor, will take 298 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: their money. We'll take all the advantages, but ignore the 299 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: consequences of a bigger population. So Simeon Brown's announcement of 300 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: a faster a tract to qualifying overseas doctors who come 301 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: here is welcome and about time, because our immigration booms 302 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: have distorted our society. It swamped our motorways, it puts 303 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: strain on housing and infrastructure, and it crushed our service sector, 304 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: including doctors. Yet all the money and all the labor 305 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: made people think we had a rock star economy, but 306 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: that was artificial. If the economy is a rock star, 307 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: how come you can't see a doctor. If you can't 308 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: see a doctor, is it really rocking? So congratulations to Simeon, 309 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: and congratulations to the government for putting some money in 310 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: because we need them. And finally we seem to be 311 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: realizing that if we bring in more people, we need 312 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: to look at the whole picture. Dickens, all right, I 313 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: might talk about Ukraine. Finally, it seems like everyone's going 314 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: to get what they want in the Ukraine Seas fire deal. 315 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: So that's to come. This a big old cyclone heading Australia, 316 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: So Donald Demayo is on the way. We'll go right 317 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: around the country as well, and we'll talk to dr 318 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: Angus Chambers about these changes to the doctors before six o'clock. 319 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: This is Early Edition. I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge. 320 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for choosing us. 321 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: News and Views you trust to start your day. It's 322 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Early Edition with Andrew Dickens and one Ruth Make your 323 00:17:47,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: property search simple. You've talked, Sibby said together. 324 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: That's a little size to what happened yesterday at the Oscars. 325 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: It was a tribute to Bond. That's the Adel song 326 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: being performed by the British singer Ray. That is a 327 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: sky fall. It was a wonderful tribute to Bond. However 328 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of sweet really, you have to say, 329 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: because Bond has been brought by Amazon and its future 330 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: is uncertain. So there were some people going, yeah, yeah, 331 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: this is nice. But at the same time, what is 332 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: going to happen to James Bond in the future. But 333 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: that's a great question. It is twenty three to six 334 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: now some Texan on Wellington Jack reckins. The police should 335 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: be called it and people held to account in Wellington. 336 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: Roy says, if you talk to any competent plumbing company, 337 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: they knew that there was a huge walk going on 338 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: in Wellington. Well why didn't they blow the whistle. I 339 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: have to say now on my comments about the doctors 340 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: and immigration and the rock star economy, we've got a 341 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: text here that says rock star economy only ever a 342 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: pathetic media expression and never close to reality. The media 343 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: in general should be ashamed. Well, I know exactly who 344 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: said rockstar economy and it was a guy called Paul Bloxham. 345 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: And I know this because I've spoken to him about it, 346 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 2: and he is the senior economist at HSBC in Sydney 347 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: and an expert on New Zealand. And he was the 348 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: one who said rockstar economy. And you know what the 349 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: media did, Shame on us. We reported it. 350 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens twenty three to six. 351 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Le's go around the country. Calum bruct good morning to 352 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: you morning, Andrew. So there was a murder at Lake 353 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: Harware and now a man is in court. 354 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 11: That's right, charged with murdering his wife at this property. 355 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 11: He will reappear in court today, a case which has 356 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 11: a lot of attention here. Andrew's sixty year old Karen 357 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 11: White was found dead at her home almost a year 358 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 11: ago to the day. Police launched a homicide investigation. Eight 359 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 11: months later, last November, her husband's sixty one year old 360 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 11: Robert White lost name suppression at a court appearance last month. 361 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 11: He's pleaded not guilty to the murder charge and reappears 362 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 11: in the Cargoles High Court today. 363 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: All right, how's your weather? 364 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 11: Early showers clear, but then return this afternoon some maybe 365 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 11: heavy the heights of Day eighteen. 366 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: Claire Sherwood joins us in Christier Tella Claire. 367 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 8: Hello, Claire, good morning. 368 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 12: Can you hear me? 369 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 9: I can? 370 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: Indeed? Gee, I wish I was in Christich. Actually I 371 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: saw on the telly the building the squash court at 372 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: the Isaac Royal for the Squash Championships New Zealand Squash Championships. 373 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: It looks awesome. 374 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 13: It does look awesome. Andrew, look, this is really special 375 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 13: for the city. We've got, of course, that iconic Isaac 376 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 13: Theatre Royal and it's hosting the New Zealand Squash Open 377 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 13: for the next six days. So that glass court has 378 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 13: been fitted out on the stage of the theater for 379 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 13: this inaugural event. The theatre's chief executive, Greg Ward has 380 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 13: told us they're still focused on performing arts, but also 381 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 13: on reaching a broader audience, and this is one of 382 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 13: the ways to do that. He says this is the 383 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 13: sort of event that will open the door to many 384 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 13: people who may not have been to the theatre before, 385 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 13: or not seen it in this light anyway. He says 386 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 13: there is the potential for more sporting events like this 387 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 13: to take place in the future. 388 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: Yes, a nice seats at a really good snack bar 389 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: and a great place to watch sports squash and I 390 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: understand the final session almost sold out. So there we go. 391 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: How's your weather, Well, it's. 392 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 13: Pretty miserable here today. Rain will clear to occasional showers 393 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 13: a bit later. South westerlies as we make our way 394 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 13: to sixteen. 395 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 2: Next toll joins us from Willington. 396 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 8: Hellm X, Good morning. 397 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: Got a new rainbow crossing? 398 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 14: Yeah, so a Wellington's Pride Festival begins this week. We 399 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 14: have been and still are a very gay friendly city. 400 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 14: There's a rainbow crossing on Cuba Street, of course. And 401 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 14: now what's just appeared is a smaller but still very 402 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 14: noticeable crossing in the suburb of Brempoor and it's actually 403 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 14: in the colors of the trans flag. We assume the 404 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 14: council had installed it. So went to them. At first 405 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 14: they said, well, firstly it wasn't them. Instead a piece 406 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 14: of a gorilla art, so they will have to remove 407 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 14: it in line with their graffiti policy, which is fair enough. 408 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 14: Then a spokesperson told us in a follow up email, 409 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 14: hang on hold a tick on that one. Someone was 410 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 14: clearly deliberating or weighing in. We waited a few hours 411 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 14: and then it was confirmed, Yes, this crossing will be removed. 412 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 14: We don't yet know who painted it, and it puts 413 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 14: the council in a tricky spot because obviously it doesn't 414 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 14: want to be seen as bigoted by removing a transcolored 415 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 14: rainbow crossing. But at the same time, last year, when 416 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 14: pro Palestine graffiti appeared, there was a push by the 417 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 14: mayor and others to keep it around the city as 418 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 14: a form of art, despite that being against the council's policy. 419 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 14: So we'll see if there's any pushback here. 420 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: How's your weather? 421 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 14: It should be terrible today. Shawer's turning to rain, possibly 422 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 14: thundery this afternoon with strong southerly's. 423 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: Never read amano from Walkinhello meetings. So you've got details 424 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: about a cold case murder, yes, this. 425 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 12: Cold case, So police hoping the public can shed some 426 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 12: light on this cold case murder of a man described 427 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 12: as a typical WESTI Now it's Brett Fraser. He died 428 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 12: at the hands of intruders at a property in West 429 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 12: Hawkin's Colston. This happened in twenty fourteen. Now police are 430 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 12: now offering a one hundred thousand dollars reward for any 431 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 12: information leading to the capture of the fifty one year 432 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 12: old's killers. His former partner, that's Michelle Manson. Now she's 433 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 12: told TV one's Cold Case this was extra hard really 434 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 12: because he seemed to be more motivated to break out 435 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 12: of his bad habits. And she says it was just 436 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 12: said that he died just as he was looking to 437 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 12: get his life back together. So if you've got any 438 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 12: information from this cold case back in twenty fourteen, contact 439 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 12: the police. 440 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: How's the weather cloudy? 441 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 12: Isolated, Charles aroal midday, becoming frequently heavy for a time 442 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 12: in the evening, not as. 443 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 8: Cold as the South Island. Twenty four is the high 444 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 8: today in Auckland's. 445 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: And I thank you. It is now eighteen minutes to six. 446 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: I'm just watching Sekia Stana. He's talking to the British 447 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Parliament right now. He says that Britain will leave from 448 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: the front in the Ukraine. He's also gone out and 449 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: to say the minerals deal would never have provided enough 450 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: security for Ukraine, which is why Britain and Europe has 451 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: to stand up. You know what, whether it's by luck 452 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: or design, everyone seems to be getting what they want 453 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: in this Ceasfare deal. As Zelenski has said yesterday, he 454 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: will sign the minerals deal because he finally got some 455 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 2: security guarantees. But he got those guarantees from Europe. Now, Europe, 456 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: they were kicked into action by Trump and Vance's bullying 457 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: of Zelenski. Maybe that was America's plan, Maybe it wasn't. 458 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: I don't care. It worked, Europe stepped up. Now America 459 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: gets its minerals but loses well respect. 460 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 8: But there we go. 461 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: And while I understand America's view on a commercialized DMZ 462 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: bringing peace to Ukraine, the idea would never have held water. 463 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: That's what Kirstarma just said, because it takes time to 464 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: launch the mining and even once it starts, there's no 465 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: telling it'll be whether it'll be economic, whether the companies 466 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: will be there, whether they will prevent Russia from invading. 467 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: That's why Zelenski needed something more concrete, just to feel safe, 468 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: and presumably Putin will get some Ukrainian land, but Ukraine 469 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: won't keep its twenty fourteen borders. And anyway, Putin's going 470 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: to sit there and platter his next Foray, and there 471 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: will be another Foray. Ukraine was the home of a 472 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: ARUs people who form the Russian nation, and he wants 473 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: it back. It's in his heart, it's in his soul, 474 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: it's his grad mission. Even if Ukraine has moved on, 475 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: Putin wants it back. So this is a war that 476 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: will echo on into the future. God bless all of 477 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: those who find themselves in the middle of it. We'll 478 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: talk more overseas stuff with Donald Demayev from Australia. 479 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 9: Next. 480 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: It's coming up sixteen to. 481 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of 482 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 483 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: And we now crossed to Australia. Donna to my all. 484 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: The time, by the way, is fourteen to six. Hello Donna. 485 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 9: Hello. 486 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: So we've got a prominent ex football player who's joined 487 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: a class action against the AFL, the National Football League. 488 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: This alleged that he's alleging racial abuse. 489 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 15: Yes, well, we already knew that the AFL was facing 490 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 15: legal action, but now we know that this prominent former 491 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 15: player has joined the class action. Lawyers have confirmed that 492 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 15: its former since killed a star and I'm calling him 493 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 15: a true, true superstar of the footy world. Nicki Winmar. 494 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 15: Now he's joined the action, and this is very significant. 495 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 15: The AFL is being sued by indigenous players, including Phil 496 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 15: and James Cracker. Now this it's alleged they suffered injury, 497 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 15: loss and damage after the organization failed to protect them 498 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 15: from racial abuse. Now Windma is now fifty nine years old, 499 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 15: but it was about three decades ago. I think it 500 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 15: was nineteen ninety three. In fact, he was at the 501 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 15: center of an iconic moment and it's still discussed to 502 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 15: this day. And he was on the field and he 503 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 15: lifted his footage jumper and he pointed to his skin 504 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 15: while he was being racially abused by opposition team fans. 505 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 15: He was playing Collingwood at the time, so killed her 506 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 15: versus Collingwood. Now there's an unspecified number of Indigenous players 507 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 15: in the class action, and now we know that Nicki 508 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 15: Winmar has joined it. They've been given two months to 509 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 15: build the case. 510 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 8: And I will add that it was in. 511 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 15: Twenty twenty three that Collingwood. I'm going to say finally 512 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 15: apologized to Winma. 513 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: Okay, now you've got a tropical cyclone getting close to 514 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 2: Queensland and it's called Alfred. 515 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 15: Yes, brace yourselves Queensland residents, because it's due to landfall 516 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 15: this week sometime on Thursday or Friday. Brisbane might even 517 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 15: feel the brunt of this tropical cyclone. And of course 518 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 15: there's the possibility of destructive wings and life threatening flash flooding. 519 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 15: Now it could be upgraded to a category to eighty minute, 520 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 15: and of course if it maintains that intensity as it 521 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 15: approaches the southeast Queensland coast, it could do quite a 522 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 15: lot of damage. In fact, we've heard from the Bureau 523 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 15: of Minteorology issuing a warning that there could be house damage, 524 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 15: significant damage to trees and signs and caravans. Of course, 525 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 15: there's the risk of power failure and the even fearing 526 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 15: that there could be some damage to crops. Wings gus 527 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 15: up to one hundred and sixty four kilometers per hour. 528 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: Okay, it's been a fairly calm somemer. You have to say, really, 529 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: but here we go, here we go, Here we go. 530 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: Donna Demayo, I thank you said very much. It's eleven 531 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: to six. So the new Health Minister, Simeon Brown, has 532 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: begun making moves to try and save our deteriorating healthcare system. 533 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 2: So yesterday he announced two hundred and eighty five million 534 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: dollars in performance based funding for GPS, a new twenty 535 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: four to seven digital service, and an additional one hundred 536 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: place for overseas trained doctors. So to talk us through 537 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: all of this, we've got Jempro chaired doctor Angus Chambers 538 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: with me. Hello, Angus, good morning. Is just what you 539 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: were having to get. 540 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 6: Look, it's a good start. We applaud the efforts to 541 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 6: address the what is basically crisis in general practice, but 542 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure if it's going to achieve what 543 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 6: they want want it to. 544 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's this performance based funding for GPS? How would 545 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: that increase primary care? Yeah? 546 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 6: Well, look it's talented as you know. Funding that will 547 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: decrease the wait time to see GPS. Government commissioned an 548 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 6: independent body to kind of serve a GP and report 549 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 6: back to us and it found there's basically a gap 550 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 6: about one hundred and thirty seven million dollars a year 551 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 6: and this is on data five years old. 552 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 9: It needed to. 553 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 6: Enable general practice deliver what it needs to. So this 554 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 6: is basically ninety five million dollars a year. Probably the 555 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 6: figure that was one hundred and thirty seven is close 556 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 6: to two hundred now, so it's maybe about half of 557 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 6: what's needed. And then the performance based funding is quite 558 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: concerning and general practices, iiron large independent businesses performing extremely well. 559 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 6: Now if you let's say, the one of the big 560 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 6: issues is the closed books. So if you put there's 561 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 6: a part of your performance, and practices open their books 562 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 6: to get more money, so there's no extra workforce, there 563 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 6: more patients going in, the wait time is going to 564 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 6: get longer. So it's not quite clear until we see 565 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 6: the detail of the performance at money, how it's going 566 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 6: to play out. 567 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: It could possibly incentivize them just to slam their way 568 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: through clients quicker. 569 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 6: Well, I think private business does that anyway. That's that's 570 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 6: that's why general practice that's quite efficient because there's a 571 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 6: business imperative. But I don't think gps are actually lazy 572 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 6: and sort of sitting around having captive tea and champagne. 573 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 6: They're actually head down working really hard. And by the way, 574 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 6: when you when you when you spend your day seeing patients, 575 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 6: you've still got several outs at the end of the 576 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 6: day that you need to do the paperwork. 577 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, not not clear, Yeah exactly, But it's still 578 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: performance based funding, so they're going to be ranked whether 579 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: they like it or not. Now, look, we all know 580 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: doctors who have come here who can't work because we 581 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: didn't provide enough training opportunities. One hundred placements for overseas 582 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: trained doctors will come into place. How did we ever 583 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: allow that imbalance to happen while we had high immigration figures. 584 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 6: Look, I don't know. We're pleased to see it happen. 585 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 6: It will make some difference. It's going to take a 586 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 6: bit of time. It's got a lot of work that 587 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: goes into getting those doctors to the place that they 588 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 6: need to be to deliver care to New Zealand's population. 589 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 6: You'd have to ask the workforce planners about that. There's 590 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 6: been abject failure in workforce planning in our system for 591 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 6: quite a long time. We've been warning for almost two 592 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: decades of the crunch of retiring gps and impoundered by 593 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 6: the fact that people are leaving the profession of some conditions. 594 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 6: So I think of as a question better addressed to 595 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 6: the workforce planners the answer so I don't know. 596 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well, but you know what people say. They go, well, 597 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: you've got an English doctor who decides to come to 598 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: New Zealand and make a new life. They come here 599 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: and then they're told they can't they can't actually do 600 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: any services for us for at least two years. They've 601 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 2: got to go through a training placement if they can 602 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: actually find a room there. And everyone says, well, hold on, 603 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: and English body is just the same as New Zealand bodies. 604 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's where I think you might have 605 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 6: this wrong. The English doctors are able to come and 606 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 6: practice like that, although we would like this, obviously, bureaucracy 607 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 6: is so that these doctors are outside of jurisdictions that 608 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 6: are recognized by the Medical Council. So yeah, we're absolutely 609 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 6: propped by and popped up by English doctors who've got 610 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 6: a fantastic contribution by English doctors. So I got going. 611 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: I admitted I got my metaphor wrong, but you know 612 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: what I mean. A body's a body, a doctor's a doctor. 613 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 8: But there we go. 614 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: Now we've got one hundred extraplacement for overseas training doctors 615 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: to go in and find out how to be a 616 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: New Zealand doctor and that is a good thing. Don't 617 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: they ever look a gift horse in the mouth. It 618 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: is seven to six. 619 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: Andrew dickens all Afili edition with one roof Make Your 620 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Property Search Simple, Youth Talk zibby. 621 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's now five to six. On the Wellington water scandal. 622 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: Earlier today I talked about the contractors and the people 623 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: who fleeced the Wellington right players and I compared them 624 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: to the Sopranos with their war of public money. And 625 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: I've had a text from Roy saying Andrew, I wouldn't 626 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: call them the Sopranos. The Sopranos is a great show, 627 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: not a bunch of neglecting wreckers. They can't even fix 628 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: water fair point. What's horrified me most this morning was 629 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: hearing from Anita Baker, the part of Mayor, who said 630 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: that staff came forward to the inquiry because they knew 631 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: that there was already a problem. And Bruce has sent 632 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: me a text saying, anybody who's been part of pipes 633 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: in Wellington, any plumber, could have told you for years 634 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: that there was a huge walk going on and yet 635 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: nothing happened. So ierhaps see something will happen Mike Costkin, good, 636 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: wouldn't you. 637 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 8: Very good morning? Best thing? Yesterday? It was one of 638 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 8: those things I thought to myself, why haven't we done 639 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 8: this years ago? 640 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 16: So this health thing where you get more doctors and 641 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 16: nurses and things like that, all of that's fine. But 642 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 16: this idea that you can go online using the internet 643 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 16: and you can get yourself a script at eleven o'clock 644 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 16: at n I've always I've never understood why people get 645 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 16: so precious about that sort of thing. If you've been 646 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 16: on pills for twenty years or whatever the case may be, 647 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 16: it's just another script, you know what I mean. 648 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 8: So if you can get to a nurse or a 649 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 8: doctor at eleven o'clock or ten o'clock or seven fifteen 650 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 8: that night. 651 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 2: My doctor has managed my health portal. And I've been 652 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: taking bood pressure of medication since i was twenty because 653 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: I've inherited it from a mum bless and I just 654 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: go on and just get a repeat on that, and 655 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: it turns up at the pharmacy the next day my doctor. 656 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 8: I'm went to the doctor the other day. First of all, 657 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 8: I have no problem getting to the doctor. 658 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 16: Second of all, the place I go to is hiring 659 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 16: doctors and has doctors and has their books open. 660 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 8: So if you ask me, there is no problem. So 661 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 8: is there a problem or not? 662 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: I think we're just to disorganize people some of us. 663 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 9: Is that what it is? 664 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 8: I don't know anyway, So we'll talk to bet. 665 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 16: If I knew the answers to your question, well, that 666 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 16: is I run the country. That's true, which I show 667 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 16: you people running the country. 668 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 8: He's with us. 669 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, Christopher Laxon. After seven thirty, I'm Andrew Dickins. 670 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: Thank you to producer Kenzie. 671 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: See you tomorrow. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. 672 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks it Be from five am weekdays, 673 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.