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Speaker 1: Our huddlers this evening Tris Shurson from Sheerson Willis PR

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Speaker 1: and Shane Curry Enzidme's editor at large, Kielder cord is

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Speaker 1: the government on hiding to nothing with the Dunedan Hospital.

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Speaker 2: Trish, there's two issues the government faces with this, time

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Speaker 2: and trust. So what New Zealanders are really getting sick

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Speaker 2: of is that infrastructure just takes too long. And this

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Speaker 2: is another great example. We have to have several business cases.

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Speaker 2: This Danneedan Hospital has gone back and forward in terms

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Speaker 2: of business cases. Then we have worries about spending a

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Speaker 2: dollar fifty today not looking at what it's going to

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Speaker 2: cost tomorrow. Then we go back into a redrawing of

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Speaker 2: the plans. I think the people of Dunedin felt that

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Speaker 2: this was a done deal. So part of it probably

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Speaker 2: is it's come as a shock and it's an expectation

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Speaker 2: management thing. But so the time is an issue overall

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Speaker 2: though the government is right to be focusing on the economy,

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Speaker 2: which it's still and we've seen in the latest plan,

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Speaker 2: but just in the health system and the impact on

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Speaker 2: people of a health system that is crumbling. For me,

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Speaker 2: that is probably almost now the number one political issue.

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Speaker 2: I think it's bumped off law and order and it

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Speaker 2: impacts everybody, and it's kind of one of the most

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Speaker 2: important social contracts that a government has, you know, with voters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was remarkable to see how many

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Speaker 1: people turned out of the weekend, given there was only

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Speaker 1: a couple of days notice. And the key thing here

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Speaker 1: is it isn't just a need, it's that whole lower

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Speaker 1: third of the South Island, right, So there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who are really upset. And these are

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Speaker 1: people who often feel as though they are forgotten by Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 3: I've just been looking at the electric map for the

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Speaker 3: last election and you talk about that lower third and

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Speaker 3: that is a very blue electriate I know dned and

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Speaker 3: of course is labor labour through and through, but everything else,

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Speaker 3: but everything else around it is blue. I mean, White

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Speaker 3: Tech is completely blue and Southland Kluther in Viicago even

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Speaker 3: the hospital will be drawing on those electrics. People will be,

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Speaker 3: you know, relying on that hospital for their healthcare. I

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Speaker 3: think what people tend to forget is National actually announced. Firstly,

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Speaker 3: this goes back to twenty seventeen. National we're the ones

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Speaker 3: who actually announced the new hospital. And of course as

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Speaker 3: the mayor has just pointed out, there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of cost over run since then. It's gone from one

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Speaker 3: point two and now we're talking one point nine and

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Speaker 3: eventually this number which appears to have come out of

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Speaker 3: almost no where, the three billion number. And there's three

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Speaker 3: reports that haven't been released yet and which the media

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Speaker 3: are hunting down. And there's some weird things going on,

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Speaker 3: like car parks haven't been scoped, and I mean, why

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Speaker 3: was we were three hundred million dollars worth of car

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Speaker 3: parking not scoped into the original project. It's a slightly

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Speaker 3: strange cost that wasn't included.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there's anywhere to square the circle?

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Speaker 1: At the moment, Truch, we.

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Speaker 2: Seem to be back in the same kind of holding

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Speaker 2: pattern in a way that we are on the ferry issue. Now,

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Speaker 2: where you get to a certain point we think something's

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Speaker 2: going to happen, then there's a blowout and something's not wrong.

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Speaker 2: So now we're back in that. We're sort of back

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Speaker 2: in the circle of doom of going round and you know, recosting, rescoping.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the solver is. It's difficult, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like when it comes down to a regional hospital.

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Speaker 2: As Shane has said, the pressure on those regional but

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Speaker 2: those regional hospitals right now is immense and the thought

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Speaker 2: that you're now waiting and it's come down to of

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Speaker 2: course this has got to come down to dollars and cents,

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Speaker 2: but if I'm a voter, I also look at the

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Speaker 2: waste not under this government, but the money that's gone

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Speaker 2: out in the last six years. And then we're quibbling

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Speaker 2: over I know it's a lot, but three billion dollars

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Speaker 2: these days for a major hospital, I can completely feel

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Speaker 2: with the people of Dunedin. And it's also it's out

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Speaker 2: in those regions. They are so reliant on this hospital.

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Speaker 2: If you get really sick, that's the place you have

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Speaker 3: And I think the danger here is that the government's

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Speaker 3: losing the narrative around people. So Christoph Luxem is very

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Speaker 3: good at numbers and are you announced today the quarter

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Speaker 3: four Coalition plan and it's got all these bullet points.

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Speaker 3: It's very much a chief executive to kind of looking,

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Speaker 3: you know, a document compiled by a chief executive for

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Speaker 3: a corporate but you've got to remember the people. And

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Speaker 3: I think the amount of emotion that we saw on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: The numbers of people hugely significant in a region that size.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll be back with the huddle a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes. I'll ask you about that Q four plan,

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Speaker 1: plus get your thoughts. I know you've both got strong

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Speaker 1: sort of aesthetic taste, so we'll get your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Hastings news side if we've got time as well. Right now,

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Speaker 1: it's sixteen to six.

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Speaker 1: You're back with Fresherson and Shane Curry on the huddle

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Speaker 1: this evening. All right, the Q four Action Plan has

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Speaker 1: been released. It's just get your top line takes. It's

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Speaker 1: mainly infrastructure kind of stuff. There's some big changes coming

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big changes. I've estruck some of them. I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, the road tolling has always been an issue

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Speaker 3: and I think it's a good move to consider more

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Speaker 3: road tolling on. Yeah, we're talking about the hospital. We

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Speaker 3: can't you really have user pays for our health system,

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Speaker 3: but certainly transport. I think it's a noble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, top line take trick.

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Speaker 2: Big theme I thought was building the foundations for growth

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Speaker 2: in the economy, the right thing to be doing. These

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Speaker 2: action plans are part that you know, they're part substance,

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Speaker 2: they have to be substances, but they are also a

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Speaker 2: big part a differentiator from the previous government. It's going,

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Speaker 2: we're clear on what we're doing, we will report it

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Speaker 2: back to you, and we're all about deliverables.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. In terms of contrast, it is

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Speaker 1: just remarkable to me how quickly this government is moving.

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Speaker 1: And there will be people who, you know, take issue

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Speaker 1: at some of their policy priorities and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. But if you look at something like this

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Speaker 1: and you consider the things that are being passed, fast

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Speaker 1: Track Approvals Bill, the Roma reforms, these are really meaty

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Speaker 1: bits of legislation that are potentially incredibly consequential, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's really telling that they are getting this stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget. So the difference here is not

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Speaker 2: cohesive plan. But things like these RIMA reforms focusing in

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Speaker 2: on making it easier to get stuff done in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: That has been something people have talked about for years

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Speaker 2: and if you're really getting to the issues of driving

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Speaker 2: growth in New Zealand, it's fundamental. So it looks like

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Speaker 2: it's the right things to be focused on, but there

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Speaker 2: are still a lot of distractions out there that you know,

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Speaker 1: Shane the Hakka. Last night we broke the world record.

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Speaker 3: We broke the world record. I was privileged enough to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, a privilege to be there last night and

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Speaker 3: we were just talking off here, but con and O'Brien,

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Speaker 3: Takaway Tit at the front, and yeah, it was a

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Speaker 3: brilliant night. You know, it was very emotional actually, and

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Speaker 3: I was surprised that just how emotional I did get

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Speaker 3: There was some amazing performances on stage beforehand, and six

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Speaker 3: one hundred odd people and the Guinness Book a record

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Speaker 3: guy he was taking an extremely seriously, I thought that

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Speaker 3: he was laying out the rules. Really he seened it

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Speaker 1: So oh okay, yeah, what did you think of the trash?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was in tears watching it at home, mind you,

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Speaker 2: the hacker always does that to me. But I also

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Speaker 2: thought it was a very powerful and useful symbol for

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Speaker 2: what we actually love about being New Zealanders. And I

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Speaker 2: loved it when you panned through that crowd. There were

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really fantastic. Even talking about it,

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of powerful an emotive symbols, Tongue Hastings has

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Speaker 1: it's gray, which I think is an interesting choice of color.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to fail, but you're not going to excel. Shane,

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Speaker 3: It's pretty awful. It's not going to be up there

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Speaker 3: that's I love that citizen journalism now is so powerful

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Speaker 1: I think something about like the signs or slogans for

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Speaker 1: really gets people going. Everone's always got an opinion. Remember

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Speaker 2: I thought it was hamiltron City of the Future. I

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Speaker 1: I was the future, the town of the future.

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Speaker 2: Town signage is maybe because I've driven around regional New

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Speaker 2: Zealand a lot. Is one of my weird fascinations and

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Speaker 2: one that always sticks out to me is toku or

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Speaker 3: Just there is one where I won't recall the name

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Speaker 3: of it, but it does take a punches down on

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Speaker 3: some of the know in towns of New Zealand which

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Speaker 3: ones and absolutely positively Wellington when Mark Plumpski's true and

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Speaker 2: And somehow comforting on those signs, you know, you get

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Speaker 2: the badges like the Lions Club. I feel comforted when

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Speaker 2: I see, oh there's a Lions Club in town. It'll

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Speaker 2: be okay, there'll be a Christmas raffle.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks you, Ti guys. I appreciate it. Tresiouson and

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Speaker 1: Shane Curry on the Huddle this evening.

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