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Speaker 1: Now, the Independent Children's Monitor has released its first annual

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Speaker 1: report on how Maori children and young people in the

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Speaker 1: ordong A Tamitikei system are going. Unfortunately, not too well.

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Speaker 1: Maori young people in the system are half as likely

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Speaker 1: to get a qualification as those outside it, and the

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Speaker 1: five times more likely to need mental health and addiction services.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is Independent Children's Monitor's Chief executive.

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Speaker 2: And with us Now, Hey, Aaron, Yeah, good evening.

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Speaker 1: Are you at all surprised by this?

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Speaker 2: I think the extent of the harm and some of

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Speaker 2: these outcomes is a little surprising. I think one of

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Speaker 2: the things that's perhaps most surprising to me is when

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Speaker 2: you look at young people who've gone to offend, ninety

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Speaker 2: two percent of them will have had previous concerns raised

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Speaker 2: about their safety and well being. So what it says

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Speaker 2: is there were opportunities earlier to help them that may

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Speaker 2: not have been taken.

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Speaker 1: Howould what would those opportunities look like? How would we

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Speaker 1: help them?

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Speaker 2: Well? Well, I think most children come to the attention

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Speaker 2: of ORDO on a Tamrici because they have needs. You know,

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Speaker 2: some of them will have suffered abuse, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of them will be coming through for welfare reasons, so

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Speaker 2: impacts of poverty, housing security, you know, family violence, and

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Speaker 2: poor mental health, both for their faro and for themselves.

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Speaker 2: And when that comes to the tension of ordering a tamariki,

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Speaker 2: that's an opportunity for government to all agencies to step

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Speaker 2: in and try and address those needs so that they

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Speaker 2: get dealt with early and the support's there so that

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Speaker 2: these kids don't grow up and then end up becoming

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Speaker 2: these young offenders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is where the Social Investment Agency is

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Speaker 1: supposed to pull this all together. Do you have confidence

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Speaker 1: it's going to work well?

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Speaker 2: I think moving in the right direction, you know, putting investment,

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Speaker 2: because this report makes that case for that investment approach,

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Speaker 2: right doing, putting the right help in place at the

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Speaker 2: earliest time. And if you can do that in a

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Speaker 2: way that allows providers just to get on and do

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Speaker 2: the work. And I'm talking about that. This report's got

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Speaker 2: plenty of examples about great work being done by eue

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Speaker 2: Maori providers to walk alongside farno, so working not just

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Speaker 2: with the kids needs, but the family's needs, you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of a youth justice approach, making sure there's

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Speaker 2: restitution their address and these young people that are addressing offenders.

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Speaker 2: You know, I heard a great story just the other

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Speaker 2: day about a young person who had robbed a store.

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Speaker 2: They're now working there. So this is the thing. You

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Speaker 2: need to invest in the interventions early before it gets

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Speaker 2: to crisis. And so my hope is a social investment

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Speaker 2: approach as a government moves towards that will help with us.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant, Hey, thank you so much. I really appreciated Aaron

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, Independent Children's Monitor.

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