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Speaker 1: New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c Allen on the Mike asking breakfast with

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Speaker 2: al Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way, News, Togs, Dead.

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Speaker 3: Be morning and welcome to you. Coming up on the show.

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Speaker 3: We're into phase two of the COVID inquiry and the

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Speaker 3: public stuff is starting. We're going to check him with

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Speaker 3: the chair there. We've got a former judge on the

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Speaker 3: government considering tying judge's hands even further with the minimum sentences.

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Speaker 3: We've got Deputy Prime Minister David Seymour and for Chris Luxon,

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Speaker 3: and of course the commentary box is always on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk that tighter than expected test after eight.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Celo.

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Speaker 4: Well, I reckon.

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Speaker 3: Local government's got a bit of a job on its hands, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It turns out they want to fight that rates cap

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Speaker 3: idea which the government seems to have taken a bit

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Speaker 3: of a liking to. Over the weekend, the Taxpayers Union

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Speaker 3: got its hands on and released an internal document which

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Speaker 3: shows that local government is planning to fight back against

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Speaker 3: that to try to stop the rates cap. Now, what

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Speaker 3: they're planning to do is launch a nationwide campaign. They say,

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Speaker 3: unless they do that, the government is likely to introduce

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Speaker 3: this rates cap. But they reckon they can stop it.

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Speaker 3: They've stopped an idea like this before they stop it

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, and South Australia managed to

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Speaker 3: stop it as well. And all it takes, they reckon,

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Speaker 3: is to step up a gear, be louder and boost

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Speaker 3: public trust and confidence in local government to convince you

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Speaker 3: and I that councils are better than central government at

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Speaker 3: making rates decisions. Well, good luck to them on that,

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Speaker 3: because that I think is their problem. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that they can boost public trust and confidence in local

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Speaker 3: government and convince her so they're better, I reckon. Public

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Speaker 3: confidence in local government has got to be at its

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Speaker 3: lowest EBB in ages, don't you think No. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how they get it back, especially when you've got

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Speaker 3: Tory and Wellington spending two point three million on disco

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Speaker 3: toilets and spending the last few months as mayor so

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Speaker 3: distracted that she's launching an online campaign against the Deputy

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister. When you've got Auckland Council busted waving through

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Speaker 3: co governance in the White Tarckety Ranges. Mayor of all

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Speaker 3: can completely unaware it's happening. And when you've got councils

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Speaker 3: like Kluther still pumping up rates by sixteen percent after

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Speaker 3: all of the increases we've already seen and complained about,

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Speaker 3: they've got an uphill battle. But here's a tip for them.

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Speaker 3: Start with the rates. If what you want to stop

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Speaker 3: is a rates cap, start with the rates. Cap the rates.

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Speaker 3: If you want to win this battle against central government,

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Speaker 3: first step, stop putting uprates.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: We as the death toll continues to climb. In Texas,

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Speaker 3: the local county judges defending the storm warning system.

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Speaker 5: If your cell phone is in that area, you get

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Speaker 5: an alert. It's not like Warren Central Texas, where you

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Speaker 5: have to sign up for it. Some people get it,

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Speaker 5: maybe some people don't. This is that is a very

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Speaker 5: robust system, and my understanding is that the National Weather

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Speaker 5: Service gave people many warnings.

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Speaker 3: This woman saw some of the tragedy unfold.

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Speaker 6: In order to save his family, he broke a window

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Speaker 6: to get him out, and while he was doing that,

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Speaker 6: he cut off an artery and his arm. He got

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Speaker 6: his family to safety, but unfortunately he bled to death.

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Speaker 3: Well, this guy managed to actually save a woman.

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Speaker 7: Hey, you know, I see you. We're going to get you.

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Speaker 7: You know, hang on, We're going to get you out

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Speaker 7: of that tree. It's going to be all right. She

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Speaker 7: just wanted to hug me. That's all she wanted to

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Speaker 7: do was please give me a big hurg.

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Speaker 3: Pope Leo has offered his condolences.

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Speaker 8: I would like to express sincere condolences to all the

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Speaker 8: families who have lost loved ones.

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Speaker 9: We pray for them.

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Speaker 3: Over in the UK, former Labor leader Lord Neil Kinnock

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Speaker 3: is urging Rachel Reeves to bring in a wealth tax.

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Speaker 10: This is a country which is very substantially fed up

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Speaker 10: with the fact that whatever happens in the world, whatever

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Speaker 10: happens in the UK, the same interests come out on top.

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Speaker 3: And well, you don't need me to tell you what

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Speaker 3: the Tories think about that.

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Speaker 11: We've already had far too many taxes on wealth creation.

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Speaker 12: You look at National Insurance twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five billion pound bird and carry by.

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Speaker 8: Business and that's a substantial part of the reason why

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Speaker 8: the economy has not been growing in the way that

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Speaker 8: it should.

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Speaker 3: And finally, the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic's got a

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Speaker 3: great idea. It's promoting what they call beer diplomacy. Now

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Speaker 3: the country is known as the world's top beer tourist destination,

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Speaker 3: and part of that is inviting people to the country

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Speaker 3: into breweries to learn how to drink properly. Because you

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Speaker 3: don't know, you need to be taught. So the government

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Speaker 3: has a specific beer department and it's coming up with

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Speaker 3: new programs to bring in tourists and share their beer

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Speaker 3: to the world. When they had to ask David seymore

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Speaker 3: more about a beer department later in the show, that

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Speaker 3: is used the world in ninety seconds. Can I spart

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Speaker 3: just while we're on the subject of celebrations, Happy birthdays

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Speaker 3: to the Dalai Lama ninety had a bit of a

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Speaker 3: get together. Got thousands of Buddhists there, got Richard Gear there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is a party without Richard Gear, got

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Speaker 3: some Indian ministers, got some divitees. It was thousands and

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Speaker 3: thousands of people turned up at Dalai Lama's ninetieth. He

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Speaker 3: came out, he made an effort, came out in the

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Speaker 3: traditional robes, flowing yellow rap, smiling, walking with the aid

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Speaker 3: of a couple of monks. Now, just before you think

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Speaker 3: that walking with a couple of with the aid of

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Speaker 3: a couple of month monks means that the man's not

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Speaker 3: up to it. He says, don't worry about it. Great

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Speaker 3: physical condition, going to live for another forty years, which

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Speaker 3: is two one hundred and thirty by the way, if

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Speaker 3: you can't do your maths, and that, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is twenty years longer than he told us last time.

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Speaker 3: So he is going great. Guns six twelve.

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Speaker 3: Ep Hey over in Texas. Looks like still eleven kids

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Speaker 3: are missing from that Christian summer camp. We're gonna have

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Speaker 3: chat to Richard Arnold about it. He's with us obviously

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Speaker 3: after half past right now it's called to past six.

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Speaker 3: Andrew callahof JMI Wealth is with us. Andrew, Hello morning, Heather. Right,

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Speaker 3: you've got a local company or actually a few local

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Speaker 3: company updates for us. Hit us with it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 8: So the influential US market they took the day off

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Speaker 8: on Friday, so no read from them, but yeah, have

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Speaker 8: a couple of local companies provided updates on Friday. And

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Speaker 8: what I thought was interesting about these when in both

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Speaker 8: of these announcements we saw sort of reference to US

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Speaker 8: those reverberations of much broader global problems. You get first

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Speaker 8: up tourism Hold Now they've been in the news recently.

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Speaker 8: They're the target of a takeover or potentially takes another

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Speaker 8: list of company over the inter andets, which is a

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Speaker 9: Fairly disturbing trend.

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Speaker 8: But when heather, when these companies get under these takeovers,

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Speaker 8: it can create some uncertainty within the company. So while

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Speaker 8: it's going on, the company has to sort of keep

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Speaker 8: the wheels turning. Now they release an update to their

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Speaker 8: forecast full year results on Friday. They're our set profit

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Speaker 8: at the lower end of the previous guidance, so that's

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Speaker 8: not a positive announcement. Still pressure on their earnings in

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Speaker 8: the near term that you've got these challenges impacting global

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Speaker 8: RV sales and to a lesser extent, also the specific

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Speaker 8: USA market, So they have to recycle the RVs that

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Speaker 8: they hire out. So they hire them out, then they

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Speaker 8: sell them. If you can't sell them, you can't recycle

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Speaker 8: the cash. Their manufacturing divisions in Australia and New Zealand

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Speaker 8: also experiencing year on year earnings decline.

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Speaker 9: So that's all the bad news.

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Speaker 8: The good news is that forward rentals are much better.

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Speaker 8: We like to see this double digit percentage growth and

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Speaker 8: their forward rental revenues in all markets except the US,

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Speaker 8: and actually if we look at New Zealand and Australia,

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Speaker 8: this is particularly good. Ford rental revenue is about twenty

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Speaker 8: five percent higher than last year.

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Speaker 9: But here's the interesting bit, Heather.

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Speaker 8: Following that infamous sort of liberation Day, the second of

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Speaker 8: April in the US, the announcement of the initial tariffs,

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Speaker 8: their US forward rental bookings declined forty to fifty percent.

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Speaker 8: They have bounced back after that, but and I talked

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Speaker 8: to Mike before about the impact that President Trump is

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Speaker 8: having on inbound tourism into the US, and I think

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Speaker 8: Fords two days ago said the could be as much

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Speaker 8: as a twenty nine billion dollar turnaround and expected tourism

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Speaker 8: revenue because basically people.

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Speaker 9: Aren't going to the US.

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Speaker 8: But because of that, THHL might need to because the

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Speaker 8: uncertainty around that, THL might need to write down the

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Speaker 8: asset value of the good will that they have on

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Speaker 8: their balance share of the US business. So share bryce

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Speaker 8: jumped recently following news of the takeover, went from dollar

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Speaker 8: forty tround to twenty fell four cents back on Friday.

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Speaker 9: But Heather, you have the red bands, You've got the

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Speaker 9: red bands.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. What do you think I need the

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Speaker 3: red for?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But you go away.

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Speaker 8: You're not always in all anyway, It's scaler Up, another

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Speaker 8: one of the companies potentially in the firing line of

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Speaker 8: the impact of the reciprocal tariffs. Now, the share price

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Speaker 8: price has fully recovered. The companies say it could work

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Speaker 8: from China, Vietnam, and New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: To the US. They gave an update on Friday.

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Speaker 8: Now, thirty five percent of their sales revenues generated by

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Speaker 8: revenue comes from goods manufacturing in those three countries. Now,

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Speaker 8: they've already reported that tariffs wouldn't materially impact their twenty

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Speaker 9: They're now saying and confirm that.

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Speaker 8: They've made really good progress mitigating the tariff impact and

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Speaker 8: now looking further ahead. So You've got the Vietnam tariffs.

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Speaker 8: They were confirmed a couple of days ago. That's twenty

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Speaker 8: set at ten percent, China based tariff at thirty percent. Now,

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Speaker 8: the thing I find interesting about this head that these developments,

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Speaker 8: not just scale global businesses working out how to deal

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Speaker 8: with this reset and global trade order. Scale I think

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Speaker 8: they can offset the impact on future earnings with sales grets, pricing, costing,

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Speaker 8: and manufacturing initiatives. Companies all over the world pulling those leavers.

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Speaker 8: Share price relatively stable.

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Speaker 9: So good news announcement from Scale up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah nice, Okay. Obviously for US, big economic news this

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Speaker 3: week is going to be what the Reserve Bank does

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Speaker 3: with the OCI. Are you picking no change?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no change.

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Speaker 8: We'll talk about that a bit more because I think

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Speaker 8: the situation got a little bit more interesting with the

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Speaker 8: resilease of the QS. The quarterly survey Business Opinion from

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Speaker 8: ends at IYA. But probably no change. We've also got

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Speaker 8: migration numbers later this week. They've been falling. You've got

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Speaker 8: the PMI on Friday, but July the ninth, hea the

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Speaker 8: d day for tariffs. I think they'll dominate proceedings this week,

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Speaker 8: so no doubt. We will talk about that later on

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Speaker 1: Claire, Hello, Marina Heaver.

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Speaker 3: Is there any doubt that banks are paying their fair share?

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. You might be able to do that with

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Speaker 13: It's really hard to know. Yes, if they were to

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Speaker 3: Claire, it's good to talk to you always as thank

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Speaker 3: Massive University. Listen, I love the sound of this. I've

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Speaker 3: So the proposal is you can actually take two bags

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Speaker 3: You can have one for the all the gear that

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Speaker 3: It would do me a favor. Then I wouldn't feel

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Speaker 2: Nzet still correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: Mind for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Got some numbers on the number of students who are

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Speaker 3: not going to school for like a year at a time,

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Speaker 3: and it is quite staggering. I'll run you through though shortly.

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Speaker 3: Right now. It's called it to seven and Richard Arnold

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Speaker 3: US correspondents with US Morning.

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Speaker 14: Richard, good morning here all right.

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Speaker 3: Talk us through the Texas floods. What's the latest.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, this is a horror story still playing out in Texas.

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Speaker 14: It's still raining on and off in The death toll

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Speaker 14: is rising as seventy people now are confirmed dead in

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Speaker 14: these flash floods in the center of the state. Twenty

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Speaker 14: one were children. We're going to have an update in

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Speaker 14: a few minutes as well, so we'll see what that brings.

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Speaker 14: Some of those young children were at a Christian camp,

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Speaker 14: a place called Camp Mystic, which has just been devastated.

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Speaker 14: The area of city manager Dalton Rice is saying this.

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Speaker 3: We are seeing bodies recovered all over up and down.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, they're scaring this place to see if they can

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Speaker 14: find people still alive. As for survivors and families, and

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Speaker 14: friends of the victims.

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Speaker 15: Everyone in the community is hurting.

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Speaker 7: We have increased our number of personnel that are nowavigetting

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Speaker 7: the really challenging shores along the bank line, but we

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Speaker 7: are continuing to make progress.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so far they've done one hundred and sixty air

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Speaker 14: rescues as well. But the scope of what happened is

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Speaker 14: just awful. There were seven hundred and fifty kids and

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Speaker 14: adults at this camp. At least eleven campers and one

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Speaker 14: council is still listed as missing. A number of the

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Speaker 14: bodies yet to be identified. This flood rose up in

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Speaker 14: the middle of the night, and it all happened so fast.

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Speaker 14: One woman who has come out alive, has swept more

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Speaker 14: than thirty kilometers downstream from where she was camping. They

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Speaker 14: found her screaming and clutching onto a tree limb. She

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Speaker 14: said she dodged floating vehicles and refrigerators in the swirling torrent.

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Speaker 14: Also another site store owners her desperate cries, but they

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Speaker 14: could do nothing.

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Speaker 9: They say.

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Speaker 6: We had all the ymas and rescue team trying to

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Speaker 6: save a family that was at the river clinging for life,

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Speaker 6: and it didn't get to them.

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Speaker 14: We all heard them, what a horror scene had one camp.

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Speaker 14: Two young brothers, both under ten, got to dry ground

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Speaker 14: when the waters rose to the top bunk in the

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Speaker 14: place where they were staying.

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Speaker 13: My brother, you're you.

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Speaker 11: He had a swim out of his cot.

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Speaker 16: The flood started getting bigger and it was going up

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Speaker 16: to We have bunk beds in our cabins, and it

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Speaker 16: was going up to the top bunk.

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Speaker 1: Four in the morning.

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Speaker 14: They were rescued after they got to dry land and

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Speaker 14: say that on their trip out, whole place was just obliterator.

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Speaker 14: Then there's the Ryan family. They were awakened when the

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Speaker 14: front door of their place burst open and waters gushed in.

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Speaker 14: The water pressure was so strong they were trapped in

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Speaker 14: the bedroom area, so Julian Ryan smashed open a window

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Speaker 14: with his arm and in doing so severely injured himself,

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Speaker 14: so there was blood everywhere.

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Speaker 9: The rest of his.

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Speaker 14: Family survived, but sadly, in minutes mister Ryan was gone.

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Speaker 14: While the Aids family went through a similar crisis. Brian

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Speaker 14: ead says he was floating then was struck in the

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Speaker 14: head by debris and lost track of his wife Catherine.

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Speaker 14: He survived by cleaning onto a tree. She did not.

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Speaker 9: She was killed.

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Speaker 14: The desperate search for the missing still is on. However,

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Speaker 14: this part of the Guadalupe River has a history. In

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Speaker 14: nineteen eighty seven, they were hit by another flash flood

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Speaker 14: that was marginally even stronger.

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Speaker 1: This time.

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Speaker 14: The flood will rose to nine meters within minutes. The

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Speaker 14: area became known as flash Flood Alley. And yet this

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Speaker 14: is where they have a Christian camp for kids ages eight, nine, ten.

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Also, the weather FORECA significantly understated the likely rainfall. Some

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Speaker 14: parts got thirty centimeters of raign in minutes. This was

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Speaker 14: a deluge, Heaver. It's occurred at a time when key

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Speaker 14: roles at the Texas Whether Services had vacancies, including the

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Speaker 14: job of warning meteorologist quote unquote. That guy took early

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Speaker 14: retirement when the Elon Musk chainsaw cutbacks were happening.

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Speaker 3: Richard, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: all of the information that's Richard Arnold, US correspondent. Elon,

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Speaker 3: by the way, has had enough. He's announced this past

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Speaker 3: weekend he's going to launch himself a new political party.

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Speaker 3: Details at the moment are pretty sketch. He's not a

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Speaker 3: lot that's out there, but we know it's called the

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Speaker 3: American Party. He put it to a poll on x

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Speaker 3: formerly known as Twitter, which we all call Twitter. Two

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Speaker 3: to one people want this third party. He reckons it

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Speaker 3: would have a laser focus on just two three Senate

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Speaker 3: seats and eight to ten House districts, and he has

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Speaker 3: suggested that possibly the party would run during the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six mid term elections. Good luck to him. Hasn't

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Speaker 3: worked for anybody else, but maybe he can do it. Now,

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Speaker 3: what about this? Okay this, I find these numbers staggering.

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Speaker 3: Last year, about eleven hundred students didn't go to school

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Speaker 3: at all at all, not once, not one day, not

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Speaker 3: at all for a whole year, if not more. It

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Speaker 3: just didn't turn up eleven hundred kids. It is a

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Speaker 3: huge number when you consider I mean, obviously it's just

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Speaker 3: a huge number when you see it, but especially when

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Speaker 3: you consider that back in twenty fifteen, which is you

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Speaker 3: know what, ten years ago, it was only one hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty three kids. Now, how you go from one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty three kids to it being oney one

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Speaker 3: hundred kids, I don't know. Obviously, we've done the old

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Speaker 3: thing that we always do, blame the old COVID say

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Speaker 3: it's COVID's fault that this happened. COVID was a long

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Speaker 3: time ago. People, I think we can stop blaming it

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Speaker 3: for this. I mean, maybe it started some bad habits,

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Speaker 3: but it's an incredible one. I think what is also

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Speaker 3: quite interesting here is that the kids. We're not talking

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Speaker 3: about kids who are sort of like I mean, I

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Speaker 3: hesitate to say it was not like you know, first

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Speaker 3: year stuff. Is these are kids who are twelve, twelve

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Speaker 3: to fourteen the majority of them. So it really absolutely

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Speaker 3: should be learning some very important things. Anyway, we'll have

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Speaker 3: a chat about that later on in the next half

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Speaker 3: hour of the program. Right now, it's ten to seven.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Bailey's real Estate News.

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Speaker 1: Dogs d BE.

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Speaker 3: I know, Mike's got you absolutely fizzling for the F one.

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Speaker 3: So the update on the F one, if you haven't

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Speaker 3: called it already, is that Liam Lawson's out of the

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Speaker 3: British Grand Prix already. He didn't last a single lap.

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Speaker 3: Not his driver and not his fault. Rather, he was

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Speaker 3: clipped by another driver. They were coming around the fifth

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Speaker 3: corner or just approaching the fifth corner. He managed to

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Speaker 3: avoid hitting the wall and probably didn't realize how badly

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Speaker 3: his car was damaged, so he tried to keep going,

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Speaker 3: but unfortunately it just had suffered too much damage. He

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Speaker 3: had to pull out and obviously a bummer for him

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Speaker 3: because he'd done really well last weekend in Austria, so

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Speaker 3: it was probably looking to kind of prove himself again

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Speaker 3: not to be six away from seven.

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Speaker 2: All the ins are it's the fiz with business fiber

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Speaker 2: take your business productivity to the next level here.

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Speaker 3: So, as we've discussed earlier with Andrew, big Day this

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Speaker 3: week for the Reserve Bank on Wednesday, they're going to

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Speaker 3: be reviewing the official cash rate now it currently sits

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Speaker 3: at three point twenty five percent, and economists to divide

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Speaker 3: it as to whether or not the RB will cut

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Speaker 3: to three percent and whether or not they actually should.

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Speaker 3: The majority verdict is that they're going to pause the

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Speaker 3: rate cuts with an ITEL one or two maybe later

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Speaker 3: in the year. Potentially, what it boils down to is

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Speaker 3: a debate between whether they can afford to wait to

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Speaker 3: see how much pressure the near term inflation will put

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Speaker 3: us under, versus needing to do something about the slow

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Speaker 3: economy right now now. BMZ economists are those who say

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Speaker 3: that the RB needs to pay attention to the fact

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Speaker 3: that the economy is failing for fire currently and then

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Speaker 3: cut again on Wednesday. However, they also note that Trump's

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Speaker 3: tariff pause expires less than a day after the OCR

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Speaker 3: cut decision, so maybe the RB will hold fire because

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Speaker 3: of that. Sharon's Olner at A and Z also believes

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Speaker 3: they should cut and will cut, which is the importanudn't

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Speaker 3: be to have the OCR down at two point five

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Speaker 3: percent by the end of the year with the additional cuts.

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Speaker 3: She thinks it's about a forty percent chance of a cut.

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Speaker 3: West Back have gone completely the other way. They think

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Speaker 3: there will not be a cut this week. They even

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Speaker 3: suggest that the RB may not cut again for the

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Speaker 3: rest of the year. The justification for that is, amongst

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Speaker 3: other things, that the global equity markets are at a

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Speaker 3: record highs and there are consensus forecasts for global growth

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Speaker 3: that have come out in recent weeks. Whennesday will be

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Speaker 3: a big day for US as a country, clear indication

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Speaker 3: for people and businesses alike as we move into the

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Speaker 3: second half of the year, and I think, yeah, anybody

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Speaker 3: with a mortgage will have the fingers crossed, won't they Now,

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Speaker 3: we haven't got the Prime Minister in today. We have

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Speaker 3: got Chris luxen Is on personal leave. We've got David

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Speaker 3: Seymourton instead. I mean, I don't think it feels conspiratorial

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Speaker 3: to suggest that Chris has time to leave with Mike.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? I think they've had a chat

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Speaker 3: and they've said to it.

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Speaker 12: I didn't until you said that, didn't what think that

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Speaker 12: it was conspiratorial.

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Speaker 3: Now you think it's conspiratorial because I said it out

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Speaker 3: loud better that before I said it out loud on

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Speaker 3: the radio. So anyway, I think this was I think

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Speaker 3: this is what's going on here. We'll see. Well, if

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Speaker 3: Chris pops up anywhere else, anywhere else at all, if

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Speaker 3: I see him anywhere else, even like shuffling a paper,

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Speaker 3: then I'm gonna know that he's timed it with Mike

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Speaker 3: just so that he can have a break from from

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Speaker 3: what he calls what does he call inquisitorial? It's like

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Speaker 3: an inquisition, he says when he comes on the show

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Speaker 3: with Mike. Anyway, he should have taken his opportunity taken

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Speaker 3: leave when Mike was away. I would have I would

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Speaker 3: have probably gone much lighter on him next up. It's

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Speaker 3: phase two of the COVID inquiry. We're gonna check and

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Speaker 3: the public stuff is about to kick off. So if

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Speaker 3: you're interested in hearing what people have got to say,

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Speaker 3: can tune and.

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Speaker 1: Have a look.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna have a chat to the chair

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Speaker 3: about the next and then let's get a take on

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Speaker 3: whether the government should introduce those minimum mandatory sentences.

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Speaker 16: News Dogs Be News is next.

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Speaker 1: The breakfast show, Kiwi's Trust to Stay in the Know.

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Speaker 1: Heather d to see Ellen on the mic asking.

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Speaker 3: He'd be good morning to you. The second half of

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Speaker 3: the COVID nineteen Royal Commission of Inquiry gets underway today,

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Speaker 3: at least as far as the public part is concerned.

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Speaker 3: Public hearings will be held all week and they will

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Speaker 3: be live streamed online. Grant E. Ellingworth Casey is the

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Speaker 3: Chair of the Royal Commission of Inquiry with us now high.

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Speaker 1: Grant, good morning.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon is going to be the most

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Speaker 3: crunchy here the mandates or the vaccine safety Look.

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Speaker 17: I think mandates are the thing that people are most

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Speaker 17: excited about and that they find most adjectionable. Obviously, not

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Speaker 17: everyone does, because some people are Quite a number of

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Speaker 17: people think that the mandates protected them while they were

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Speaker 17: at work and so on. But there are, of course

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Speaker 17: many people who take the opposite view.

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Speaker 3: You've obviously already got some submissions that have come in.

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Speaker 3: What proportion do you reckon in support of the mandates?

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Speaker 17: Look, we've got people assessing the submissions at the moment,

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Speaker 17: and there are thirty one thousand of them. I don't

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Speaker 17: profess to have read them all. I've read some, and

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Speaker 17: I can't give you any accurate figures as to proportions,

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Speaker 17: but there's certainly a fair chunk that will be focusing

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Speaker 17: on that issue, do.

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Speaker 3: You I mean, this has been a touchy subject in

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Speaker 3: the past. Do you think that you will get full,

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Speaker 3: unvarnished opinions from people.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I think we will and we have. We've done

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Speaker 17: a lot of interviews, a lot of engagements with groups,

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Speaker 17: and people are being very open and forthright about what

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Speaker 17: they think.

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Speaker 3: Are you forming an opinion yet on whether the mandates

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Speaker 3: were necessary?

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Speaker 17: I can't predetermine what the outcome is going to be,

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Speaker 17: but of course you get impressions along the way. We've

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Speaker 17: got to keep an open mind because we are required

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Speaker 17: to follow the principles of procedural fairness. But certainly impressions

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Speaker 17: being gathered and many of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, Grant. I mean at the start the opposition

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Speaker 3: was largely to the vaccine. Why do you think it

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Speaker 3: and you know, questions around vaccine safety. Why do you

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Speaker 3: think the mandates have overtaken that?

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Speaker 17: Well, vaccines were introduced at a point where we desperately

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Speaker 17: needed something to solve a very big problem, and I

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Speaker 17: think the majority of New Zealanders embraced it, and the

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Speaker 17: questions of vaccine safety became more poignant further down the track.

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Speaker 17: But once vaccine mandates were introduced, and as that policy developed,

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Speaker 17: it affected more people and I think people felt, well,

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Speaker 17: the rights are being taken away, So you know, it

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Speaker 17: touches a nerve and people react.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing what you've got to say about that, Grant,

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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time. Grant Ellingworth Casey, Chair of the

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID nineteen, Part two, ten,

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Speaker 3: Pars seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen, looks like the.

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Speaker 3: Government is considering a major change to our sentencing laws

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Speaker 3: and that it might introduce minimum sentences. Now, we already

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Speaker 3: obviously have maximum sentences that can be handed out, but

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Speaker 3: as it stands, no minimums. Sir Ron Young is a

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Speaker 3: former High Court judge and with us now.

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Speaker 1: Ron, Hello, Hello, how are you heaven?

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Speaker 3: Very well? Thank you? Do you think we should have minimums?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 18: No, it's going to cause an injustice that because it

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Speaker 18: will mean the judges can't take into the facts of

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Speaker 18: the case and they can't take into account the offender's

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Speaker 18: personal circumstances, and that's going to mean that it will

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Speaker 18: be unfair and unjust.

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Speaker 1: Sense Well, they.

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Speaker 3: Can, can't they They can take it into account to

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Speaker 3: a point, but not beyond that point. Is that not fair?

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Speaker 18: Well, many of the situations will likely occur where the

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Speaker 18: minimum sentences actually too long based on a proper assessment

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Speaker 18: of the facts and the personal circumstances, So they won't

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Speaker 18: be able to do so in those circumstances, and justices

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Speaker 18: will occur.

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Speaker 3: So part of what is going on here is a

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Speaker 3: reaction to the fact that the judiciary, in handing out

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Speaker 3: what the public may consider too light a sentence, is

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Speaker 3: losing the confidence of the public. How do you fix that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well you fix it by understanding the facts. I mean,

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Speaker 18: thirty years ago, people who were convicted of murder and

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Speaker 18: sentenced to life imprisonment generally served around about ten years

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Speaker 18: before they were released. It's now fifteen, eighteen, twenty years.

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Speaker 18: Sentences for rape were three or four years thirty years ago,

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Speaker 18: and in our eight and nine years public have gone

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Speaker 18: a completely wrong idea about the kind of level of sentencing.

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Speaker 18: New Zealand has a heck of a lot of people

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Speaker 18: in prison compared with most of other similar countries, so

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Speaker 18: we're not light in sentencing. We're actually at the heavy end.

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Speaker 3: Have you done any comparisons as to the cumulative sentence

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Speaker 3: discount that is handed down how that compares to historically.

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Speaker 18: Sure, I mean, sentences have got much much heavier in

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Speaker 18: the last thirty years. And the I mean, the cumulative

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Speaker 18: concurrent issue is as I think, a bit of a

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Speaker 18: red herring, because sentences do take into account the total

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Speaker 18: number of offenses and how they work across the various crimes.

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Speaker 3: What I mean, ron is we've got judges handing out

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Speaker 3: sentence discounts of you know, in some cases seventy to

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Speaker 3: eighty percent, which is enormous.

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Speaker 18: Is that normal no, and I in fact agree with

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Speaker 18: the limitation on forty percent. I think that's fair enough

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Speaker 18: because I do think the sentence must bear a relationship

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Speaker 18: to the criminal offending. So that's an area where I

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Speaker 18: do think seventy to eighty percent is wrong, and I

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Speaker 18: think that it does undermine that connection. There's a proble

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Speaker 18: connection between what you do and what the punishment is.

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Speaker 3: Ron, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: your time that sir Ron Young, former High Court judge

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Speaker 3: and chairperson of the New Zealand Parole.

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Speaker 1: Board together do for CLIs So.

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Speaker 3: News just out is that Wellington Hospital is going to

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Speaker 3: be cutting maternity beds to make room for ED. A

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Speaker 3: memo has been leaked which suggests they're just doing this

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Speaker 3: for a trial. But basically how it works is they've

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Speaker 3: got four pods, they call them pods. They've got four

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Speaker 3: pods for maternity and they're going to reduce that down

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Speaker 3: by one pod and for some I can't quite figure

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Speaker 3: out how, but they're gonna end up with only two

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Speaker 3: pods for maternity. They say it's absolutely fine. They say

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Speaker 3: they've got heaps of empty beds, often heaps of empty

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Speaker 3: beds in the maternity ward, midwives and obstetricians dispute that,

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Speaker 3: and they say, there's absolutely, absolutely not be the case.

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Speaker 3: And if you start taking beds out, you're just gonna

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Speaker 3: end up with mums being discharged far too quickly. I reckon,

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on this. I reckon it doesn't happen

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Speaker 3: because this is the same hospital that tried to take

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Speaker 3: the toast away from mums, and you start dicking around

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Speaker 3: with mums who've just given birth. I reckon it's the

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Speaker 3: biggest hot potato out the one off one of It's

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Speaker 3: a lot of hot potatoes in health, but this is

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest ones. I don't reckon they'll get

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Speaker 3: away with it. Fourteen past seven.

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Speaker 2: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

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Speaker 2: By News talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Heather eighteen years maximum for murder is still a joke.

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Speaker 3: I'm not finished talking about this. Actually we'll deal with

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Speaker 3: a little bit more. Also, by the way, I remember Monday,

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Speaker 3: so the commentary box is going to be with us

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Speaker 3: after eight o'clock right now. Seventeen past seven. Now, this

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Speaker 3: is a crazy number. Get a load of this. Last year,

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Speaker 3: about eleven hundred students didn't go to school at all

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Speaker 3: for more than a year. They were not enrolled in

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Speaker 3: any school for more than a year. And it's not

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Speaker 3: the little ones that we're talking about. Two thirds of

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Speaker 3: these kids are aged between twelve and fourteen years old.

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Speaker 3: Kathy Charmers is the lead principle of the Manyereba Attendance

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Speaker 3: Service and is with us morning, Kathy. What on earth

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Speaker 3: is going on that number has gone up by five

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Speaker 3: times in just ten years.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's there are a lot of students. I think

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Speaker 13: some of that is a backlog of students that have

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Speaker 13: been non enrolled from COVID times that particularly at the

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Speaker 13: adolescent age. Yeah, there's a there's a large number of

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Speaker 13: disengaged students and getting them back to school is a

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Speaker 13: really complex problem.

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Speaker 3: Why Why is it complex? Is it because you can't

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Speaker 3: find them?

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Speaker 13: Not being able to find them as part of it.

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Speaker 13: The other thing is that you kind of need multi

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Speaker 13: and multi agency approach. Normally, there are other issues that

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Speaker 13: contribute to the reasons why they're not going to school.

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Speaker 13: And sometimes it's condont you know, sometimes they've got to

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Speaker 13: an age where the parents find it just as hard

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Speaker 13: to get them to go to school. The students are

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Speaker 13: making their own choices about what they're doing, and so

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Speaker 13: it's it's it's not as simple as just picking them

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Speaker 13: up in a car and re enrolling them.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, what are the what are the options

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Speaker 3: if you if you turn up at the house and

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Speaker 3: they're sitting, they're playing on the PlayStation and mums like whatever,

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Speaker 3: I don't care, or does care, but the young one

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Speaker 3: doesn't care. What can you do?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's that's the whole problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not allowed to put them up and

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Speaker 3: put them in the car, are you?

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Speaker 13: Attendance officers are able to if they if they are

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Speaker 13: an appointed attendance office, So yes they are. The legislation

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Speaker 13: allows for that. But you you're not going to force

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Speaker 13: an a shoe like that. That's that that's combative. That's

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Speaker 13: that's not going to re engage a student with education.

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Speaker 13: You've sort of got to get them behind them and

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Speaker 13: have a wrap around approach. You know that there's being

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Speaker 13: combative is not going to sustain a child at school.

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Speaker 13: They'll just take off. So you know that's probably not

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Speaker 13: the recommended approach.

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Speaker 3: Well what's the recommending approach then? Because none of the

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Speaker 3: approaches are working, Well.

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Speaker 13: I wouldn't say that they're not working. I think what

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Speaker 13: you've got is a large backlog that that are very

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Speaker 13: very difficult hey to find those students, because the longer

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Speaker 13: they're out of school, the lot the harder it is

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Speaker 13: to find them. The ones that have not been out

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Speaker 13: of school for such a long time, they're the ones

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Speaker 13: that you were likely to have more success. The longer

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Speaker 13: child's out of school, the more they become engaged in

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Speaker 13: other activities that they would prefer to do. Think, I

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Speaker 13: think that's why it needs a multi agency response. You know,

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Speaker 13: that's where you know, where we get support for them

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Speaker 13: in schools, we get them into the right school. I

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Speaker 13: think alternative education pathways, you know, need to perhaps be

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Speaker 13: more offerings that you know, that's very limited for the

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Speaker 13: twelve to thirteen year old age les old that you

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Speaker 13: know alternative education only starts at year nine. You know,

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Speaker 13: these kids need a different approach. The stocks tended straight

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Speaker 13: into a classroom with thirty kids isn't probably going to

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Speaker 13: work as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, clearly nothing normal is working there. Kathy, thank you mate.

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Speaker 3: That's Kathy Charmers, lead principle of the Manyetto were Attendance Service.

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Speaker 3: Tell you, actually, I've got to tell you before before

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Speaker 3: too long, I met a family that doesn't school the kids,

878
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Speaker 3: and I reckon part of I reckon. Our biggest problem

879
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand right now with education is we don't

880
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Speaker 3: know how lucky we are. There are people around the

881
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Speaker 3: world who cannot send their kids to school, and they

882
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Speaker 3: would do anything to get the kids in education. We

883
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Speaker 3: take it completely for granted and don't think it's worth

884
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Speaker 3: it anyway. I'll tell you I think that yarn might

885
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Speaker 3: actually blow your mind. I might tell you about that later.

886
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Speaker 3: Seven twenty one.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 3: The maternity proposal for Wellington Hospital is both ridiculous and dangerous.

890
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: I gave birth there two years ago. I almost hemorrhaged,

891
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: almost died because they were so busy and understaffed. Wa'n't it.

892
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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen. Seven twenty four now on

893
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Speaker 3: the government asking for potentially considering minimum sentences. If they

894
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Speaker 3: go ahead this with us, I would have absolutely no

895
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Speaker 3: problem whatsoever, and I realize that the judiciary are not

896
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Speaker 3: going to love this. Ala Sir Ron Young, who was

897
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Speaker 3: just on with us before, because it's tying their hands.

898
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Speaker 3: But that is actually the point, because some of the

899
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Speaker 3: sentencing discounts that have been handed down by judges are

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Speaker 3: frankly outrageous. And the worst case I've come across as

901
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Speaker 3: the one that I was talking to Ron about, which

902
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Speaker 3: is the case of a rapist to attack the woman

903
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Speaker 3: in Albert Park in Auckland Central about three years ago.

904
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Speaker 3: This guy was given a discount of seventy seven percent

905
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Speaker 3: by the judge. He was discounted for being young, He

906
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Speaker 3: was discounted for pleading guilty. He was discounted for being

907
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Speaker 3: a good boy before that, which I very much doubt.

908
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Speaker 3: He was discounted for being for trying to be better

909
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Speaker 3: after that, which I also have my doubts about the defense.

910
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Speaker 3: Seventy seven percent actually was not that bad because the

911
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Speaker 3: defense lawyer was looking for discounts totaling one hundred and

912
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Speaker 3: ten percent. How do you possibly discount more than one

913
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Speaker 3: hundred percent? But this is the game that they're playing.

914
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Speaker 3: Discounting to that point feels like nothing more than trying

915
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Speaker 3: to get as light a sentence as possible. Now I

916
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Speaker 3: know that the government has already mandated that the laws

917
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Speaker 3: the judges are only able to limit their discounts to

918
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Speaker 3: forty percent. But I don't even think that that fixes

919
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Speaker 3: the problem entirely, hence needing a minimum, because there are

920
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Speaker 3: still ways to gain that right. A judge can simply

921
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Speaker 3: start at a very low point discounted to forty percent,

922
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Speaker 3: and end up at the low point that they want to.

923
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Speaker 3: Judges clearly seem to think that fifteen years in jail

924
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Speaker 3: for murder is maybe a little bit much. I don't

925
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Speaker 3: think that's a bit much. I think that's life. I

926
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Speaker 3: think if you take a life, fifteen years to me

927
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Speaker 3: seems like getting off quite lightly. A minimum sets a

928
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Speaker 3: bar below which even the craftyes judge can't fall. The

929
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Speaker 3: problem with it, obviously, is the risk that that becomes

930
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Speaker 3: the default sentence. Right, But if that starts happening, we

931
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Speaker 3: can deal with that later. And this is not a

932
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Speaker 3: novel idea, by the way, It's not like we're being cruel.

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Speaker 3: They do this in the States, they do this in

934
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Speaker 3: the UK, they do this in Australia, they do this

935
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Speaker 3: in Singapore, and the list goes on, and I can

936
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Speaker 3: see now a case for us doing it too, because

937
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Speaker 3: if you are discounting three quarters of a sentence, I

938
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Speaker 3: think you've got a problem together. Do for c L

939
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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: this with a commentary box later on. Oh, by the way,

941
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Speaker 3: David Cmore in just a minute, so we'll have a

942
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Speaker 3: chat to him about whether he's in favor of the

943
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Speaker 3: minimum sentences. AI is a problem at Wimbledon at the moment.

944
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about this with a commentary box

945
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Speaker 3: after eight. Apparently, so they've got the AI in for

946
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Speaker 3: the first time in Wimbledon's history, or they've got something

947
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Speaker 3: other other than an umpire's eyeball for the first time

948
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Speaker 3: in Wimbledon's history, and the AI is supposed to see

949
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Speaker 3: when the ball goes out. The problem is the AI

950
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Speaker 3: can't see when the ball goes out. The biggest problem

951
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Speaker 3: seems to have happened in the fourth man match round

952
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Speaker 3: between Cartel and Anastasia pavlio Chenkova. Now pavlio Chenkov served,

953
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Speaker 3: Cartel replied to the backhand, the backhand way overshot the

954
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Speaker 3: service line. It was about a foot out right now,

955
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Speaker 3: a foot out. There's no disputing we can all see that.

956
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Speaker 3: You could see that at the far end, if you're

957
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Speaker 3: standing up in the bleachers, you can see a foot out,

958
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Speaker 3: but the AI couldn't see it. No intervention from AI.

959
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Speaker 3: Umpire told the players to holt play stop stop. The

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Speaker 3: mid rally stop stop stop had to see if the

961
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Speaker 3: ball had gone out. They all stood around kind of

962
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Speaker 3: twiddling their thumbs and waving their rackets around for about

963
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Speaker 3: four minutes before they were actually able to make a

964
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Speaker 3: call on it. It's been criticized by a couple of

965
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Speaker 3: players already previously. I think a male player, Emma Radicanu

966
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Speaker 3: may have criticized it as well in the postmatch press conferences.

967
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Speaker 3: So I think we have a problem. I don't know

968
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Speaker 3: about you, but I think we may have a problem

969
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Speaker 3: with the AI. So we'll see. That's that's ruined it

970
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Speaker 3: for everybody because we needed that eagle, I think. Anyway,

971
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Speaker 3: talk about that soon. News is next, you know, care

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Speaker 3: Home Word.

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Speaker 2: Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honored facts

974
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Speaker 2: and the duper c Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast

975
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Speaker 2: with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News, Tog

976
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Speaker 2: said B.

977
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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from mate, We're gonna have the commentary

978
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Speaker 3: box with us after eight o'clock right now, though we

979
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Speaker 3: have Deputy Prime Minister David Seymour in for Christopher Luxen

980
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Speaker 3: with us Mourning David.

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Speaker 15: Good morning.

982
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Speaker 3: Where's Chris?

983
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Speaker 15: Oh, he's taken a pretty well earned break.

984
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Speaker 19: I can't reveal his exact location, but he is having

985
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Speaker 19: some time with Amanda. And the guy works basically fifty

986
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Speaker 19: out of fifty two weeks a year, so I think

987
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Speaker 19: he deserves it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first holiday of the year. As far as I

989
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Speaker 3: can tell.

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Speaker 19: A, I don't track him that religiously, but I think

991
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Speaker 19: you're probably right.

992
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Speaker 3: Is it coincidental that he's timed it with Mike first

993
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Speaker 3: holiday of Mike's.

994
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Well we don't know where Mike is either, so

995
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Speaker 15: who knows?

996
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Speaker 3: It could be something going on here. Now, what do

997
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Speaker 3: you think of these minimum sentences? Are you into this?

998
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Speaker 15: Look?

999
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Speaker 19: I think it's really important that the judges actually set

1000
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Speaker 19: the law, and they do so or interpret the law, sorry,

1001
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Speaker 19: and they do so independently. I don't want to live

1002
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Speaker 19: in a society where some strong man starts messing out

1003
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Speaker 19: the punishments. It took hundreds of years for us to

1004
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Speaker 19: get away from that, and I don't particularly want to

1005
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Speaker 19: go back to it. That said, I think it is

1006
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Speaker 19: important that that independent judiciary is constantly getting feedback from

1007
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Speaker 19: the rest of the community that they're sentencing reflects community norms. Now,

1008
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Speaker 19: I know there'll be people listening who say, yeah, all right,

1009
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Speaker 19: I just read about a sentence that doesn't reflect my

1010
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Speaker 19: idea of a community norm And one way that you

1011
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Speaker 19: can fix that is for Parliament to start giving them

1012
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Speaker 19: a bit of feedback of our own through the democratic process.

1013
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Speaker 19: We say, look, actually, you know you can't discount more

1014
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Speaker 19: than forty percent. You can't give more than twenty five

1015
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Speaker 19: percent for a guilty plea. You can't keep giving discounts

1016
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Speaker 19: for remorse because though sorry, last time, they're.

1017
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Speaker 3: Tying their hands, right, you are tying their hands in

1018
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Speaker 3: your own way.

1019
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Speaker 19: We're leaving the ultimate decision up to them, but we're

1020
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Speaker 19: giving some guidelines on behalf of the community. And that's

1021
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Speaker 19: about where you want to be. You want the judiciary

1022
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Speaker 19: to be reflecting community norms and expectations, but giving them

1023
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Speaker 19: the discretion to work out the individual case.

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Speaker 3: Because you think that they actually respond to what I mean,

1025
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Speaker 3: They must be aware that people are pretty upset about

1026
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Speaker 3: what's going on. At least some people are pretty upset

1027
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Speaker 3: about it. Do you think they're responding to it?

1028
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Speaker 19: Yeah, Look, I just make the observation. And I don't

1029
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Speaker 19: want to be seen at all as criticizing the judiciary.

1030
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Speaker 19: But on average, if you become a judge, you're someone

1031
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Speaker 19: who's had a very successful law career. Chances are you

1032
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Speaker 19: live in quite a nice suburb, and chances are you're

1033
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Speaker 19: actually a very intelligent person who's very good at thinking

1034
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Speaker 19: and reasoning, and oh, well, they did this because they

1035
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Speaker 19: had a bad time. If you're someone who has just

1036
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Speaker 19: been bashed up or had your kid or your partner attacked,

1037
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Speaker 19: or had your car nicked and that you don't have

1038
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Speaker 19: any money and you need to get to work, then

1039
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Speaker 19: you're not thinking like that. You're thinking, I want that

1040
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 19: person dealt to and I want this crime to stop.

1041
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Speaker 19: And I think one of the reasons that we've put

1042
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Speaker 19: in place three strikes, one of the reasons we put

1043
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Speaker 19: in place these limits on sentence discounts is that the

1044
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Speaker 19: Parliament is basically giving feedback from people like that to

1045
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Speaker 19: the judiciary that we need you to make sure you

1046
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Speaker 19: reflect what the community wants. And so I think we've

1047
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Speaker 19: got just the right balance between a free and independent

1048
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Speaker 19: judiciary with a bit of feedback on the side.

1049
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Speaker 3: How's the shoplifting fine going to work. Can you actually

1050
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Speaker 3: find somebody on the spot without determining their guilt.

1051
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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's in a fringeman notice offense. So for example,

1052
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Speaker 19: you get stung forlift, sorry, speeding, then you know you

1053
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Speaker 19: can choose to go to court and defend yourself. No

1054
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Speaker 19: one can be punished without a court hearing and a

1055
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Speaker 19: trial before a judge or a jury of your peers.

1056
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Speaker 19: That's all still there. But the default is you just

1057
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Speaker 19: pay the fine, and this will be exactly the same.

1058
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Speaker 19: The default as you just pay the fine, and frankly,

1059
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Speaker 19: most people.

1060
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Speaker 15: In this situation will know they're.

1061
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Speaker 19: Guilty, just like some of us do with speeding, and

1062
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Speaker 19: you're just going to pay. It saves a lot of time.

1063
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Speaker 19: Look at it the other way, if you have to

1064
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Speaker 19: go to court to get a conviction every time someone

1065
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Speaker 19: was done for speeding, it'll be like the D five

1066
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Speaker 19: hundred out there.

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Speaker 3: So what's going to happen, though, is you're going to

1068
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Speaker 3: have somebody who gets nicked for shoplifting. They're simply going

1069
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Speaker 3: to say, yes, I did it, cop the fine because

1070
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Speaker 3: they know they're not going to pay the fine, right,

1071
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Speaker 3: so they just get that thing. Get that process going

1072
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Speaker 3: faster is what we want.

1073
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Speaker 19: Well, it may be that they are not going to

1074
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Speaker 19: pay the fine, but that has further penalties down the line.

1075
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Speaker 15: So yep, I get it. And people are say, all the.

1076
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Speaker 3: Penalties down the line.

1077
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Speaker 19: Well, ultimately, if you don't pay your fines, you can

1078
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Speaker 19: be put in prison. That's the ultimate penalty. And I

1079
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Speaker 19: know that there'll be people who say, oh, well, look,

1080
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Speaker 19: people don't pay fine, so there's no point. My question

1081
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Speaker 19: is where do we start? Because right now we've got

1082
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Speaker 19: a society where people work hard, pay their bills. You know,

1083
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Speaker 19: they end up taking stuff out of the trolley because

1084
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Speaker 19: it's so damn expensive at the supermarket, and then they

1085
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Speaker 19: see someone else just walk out scot free. I believe

1086
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Speaker 19: it's important that we start putting in some penalties and

1087
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Speaker 19: some computed community norms that there's actually consequences for this stuff.

1088
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Speaker 3: See the Children's Commissioner wants to carve out for kids

1089
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Speaker 3: so that they don't get this fine. Would you consider that?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 15: I saw that.

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Speaker 19: But frankly, here's the two worlds that a kid can

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Speaker 19: grow up. And there's one where you do something wrong,

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Speaker 19: relatively small thing, and you get corrected, and then you

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Speaker 19: go on and live a better life. Or there's a

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Speaker 19: New Zealand where children say, look, what would happen if

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Speaker 19: I dot dot dot, And a school principle said this

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Speaker 19: to me recently. The answer is often if I dot

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Speaker 19: dot dot, nothing happens. Just about anything you fill in

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Speaker 19: the dot dot dot, nothing happens. So I think actually

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Speaker 19: having more consequences earlier on for younger people is far

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Speaker 19: better than getting away with it. Getting away with it

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Speaker 19: then all of a sudden, you're eighteen, you commit a

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Speaker 19: real crime and you see a real door slam shut. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: that's what we want to avoid. So I'm all for

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Speaker 19: actually more graduated penalties for younger people and a society

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Speaker 19: with some norms where actually, if you do the right thing,

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Speaker 19: you're going to be okay. Not if you scrimp and

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Speaker 19: save and try your best and people nick your stuff anyway,

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Speaker 19: it's just demoralizing and it's infuriating people.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider funding or partially funding.

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Speaker 9: With GOVI.

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Speaker 15: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 19: FARMACT might but I've always been really clear that the

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Speaker 19: arm's length and it's important that they are independent, because

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Speaker 19: otherwise you end up in a situation where you're just

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Speaker 19: having a popularity contest and I'll just give you one

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Speaker 19: example of why that matters. I had a woman in

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Speaker 19: my office years ago now as a local MP, and

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Speaker 19: she said, look, I've got this cancer head and neck.

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Speaker 19: It's it's disfigured. I've had to have a lot of

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Speaker 19: my jaw removed. She said, I wish this cancer was

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Speaker 19: in my breast because you know breast cancer and good

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Speaker 19: on the Breast Cancer Foundation, and you know Brook van

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Speaker 19: Valden and I we put on a pink ribbon breakfast.

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Speaker 19: They've got the profile up, no question. But we don't

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Speaker 19: want to live in a world where something has to

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Speaker 19: be high profile and dare I say it's sexy to

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Speaker 19: get attention and get funding. Farmac has to make the

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Speaker 19: decision should they fund with GOVI that's up to them.

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Speaker 19: But you can see the benefits right. We're spending a

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Speaker 19: huge amount on dialysis for people with diabetes. We're spending

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Speaker 19: a huge amount on orthopedics for people too.

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Speaker 15: Heavy on that drink.

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Speaker 3: Could this would the NHS considered in the UK would

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Speaker 3: bankrupt them if they gave it to everybody with a

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Speaker 3: BMI over thirty five and we're looking at a BMI

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Speaker 3: over thirty.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I understand that but that's why.

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Speaker 19: That's why FARMAC have got to do the maths, and

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Speaker 19: it may be that the math's at up or they don't.

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Speaker 15: That's why that decision's arm's length.

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Speaker 19: I'm just laying out the case and where we want

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Speaker 19: to go with Farmer generally is to start instead of

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Speaker 19: just managing a fixed budget and saying no all the time,

1146
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Speaker 19: saying well, okay, if the government was to spend more

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00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 19: on pharmaceuticals, what could we save elsewhere? Classic example Tricafter

1148
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Speaker 19: since that's been funded for people with as cystic fibrosis,

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Speaker 19: lung transplants have fallen off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 19: I don't know what a lung transplant costs, but it's

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Speaker 19: probably the most expensive thing on the health of.

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Speaker 3: Stand upfronts that you don't spend heaps later.

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Speaker 12: On at Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Okay, listen this independent costing unit. Do you think

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Speaker 3: this idea is dead now?

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Speaker 15: I do.

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Speaker 19: I don't think it's ever made sense. I mean, speaking

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Speaker 19: just for a moment for the act Party. You know,

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Speaker 19: we've put out fully costed alternative budgets every year we've

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Speaker 19: been in opposition, never had a problem, so there's no

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Speaker 19: need for this thing. On the other hand, do you

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Speaker 19: want the bureaucracy, who, by the way, gets stuff wrong

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00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 19: all the time. You know, just because you get a

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Speaker 19: job at a government department doesn't mean you suddenly right

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Speaker 19: about everything. Do you want them to effectively be the

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Speaker 19: gatekeepers to the policies in the election when the whole

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Speaker 19: point of the election is to hold them accountable in.

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Speaker 15: The first play?

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Speaker 3: Would we pay for stuff that you guys as political

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00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 3: parties are paying for yourself, like you're bearing the cost

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Speaker 3: of your independent costings. I don't want to pay for it.

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Speaker 19: I almost want to make a plug for people to

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Speaker 19: dinatet to political parties. But absolutely right, it's not just

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Speaker 19: the one point two million that's been voted. Any government

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Speaker 19: department would have to drop tools before an election, stop

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Speaker 19: doing the work for the government that's actually elected, and

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Speaker 19: start arguing about some other potential policy that's not a

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Speaker 19: good use of resource.

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Speaker 3: David, how do you rate your chances that you're going

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Speaker 3: to be able to convince Winston to partially privatize the fairies.

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Speaker 19: It won't be me that will persuade him. It will

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Speaker 19: actually be fiscal reality. Right now, we're spending over nine

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Speaker 19: billion a year on interest payments. That's more than the

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Speaker 19: top eleven tax payers in New.

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Speaker 3: Zealand more, When has money actually made sense to Winston?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So who's going to convince him?

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Speaker 10: And Ken?

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Speaker 19: I'll tell you what I've learned working with Winston is

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Speaker 19: that while we may have different views on a lot

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Speaker 19: of things, when it's time, when the chips are down,

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Speaker 19: he does actually a reality.

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Speaker 15: And in this.

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Speaker 19: Case, the question is do we want to spend nine

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Speaker 19: billion in interest payments every year or do we want

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Speaker 19: to say, look, you know, owning a faery business that's

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Speaker 19: debt on the books that we're paying interest on, there's

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Speaker 19: already a private faery company that's doing very well. Maybe

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Speaker 19: this isn't something the government needs to give me your

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Speaker 19: chances out of ten out of ten let me put it,

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Speaker 19: let me put it about an eight A well, I

1203
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Speaker 19: tell you for me to look forward to look that

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Speaker 19: the challenges that we face as a government are tough,

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Speaker 19: and we face them on behalf of all New Zealanders

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Speaker 19: who are facing tough financial times. Every business, every household,

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Speaker 19: every farm has to make tough choices and the government

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Speaker 19: is going to have to make those tough choices as well.

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Speaker 3: David, thank you very much for coming in really prey

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Speaker 3: very much, David Symore and for Chris Lux and the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister who's on leave. Thirteen away from eight.

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Speaker 3: How many times does one get a discount for upbringing case?

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Speaker 3: And if an offender offends five times and is forty

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Speaker 3: eight years of age, does he get five five discounts

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Speaker 3: each time for upbringing? Absolutely he does. Of course, it's

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Speaker 3: entirely up to the judges hither and every judge would

1220
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Speaker 3: love that, wouldn't they? Here the paper penalties read, the

1221
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Speaker 3: fines are not going to work on these people. It's

1222
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Speaker 3: a complete waste of time. Look, I agree, and I

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Speaker 3: think none of us, none of us are stupid, are

1224
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Speaker 3: we We've been around a long time. We know these

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Speaker 3: guys are going to come and they're going to get

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Speaker 3: a fine. They're just going to rack those fines up,

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Speaker 3: rack those fines up with the threat that they might

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Speaker 3: end up in jail if they don't pay the fines.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen because they just I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you're out there stealing stuff, he's just walking into someone's

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Speaker 3: shop and licking their stuff. You hardly care about paying

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Speaker 3: your fines back? Do you listen? Got to give you

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Speaker 3: a quick update on what's going on with Judith Collins.

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Speaker 3: She's got these plans to scrap the diversity requirements from

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Speaker 3: the Public Service Act. Fair to say, government departments not

1236
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Speaker 3: happy at all. Ministry for the Environment has voiced its concern.

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Speaker 3: It's worried that people will think badly of it, risk

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Speaker 3: of a negative perception, it says. Ministry for Pacific People's

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Speaker 3: has warned her that a decentralized approach to DIVE would

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Speaker 3: result in defragmentation or fragmentation and inefficiency. God only knows

1241
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Speaker 3: what that means. I'm not even gonna bother trying. Doc says.

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Speaker 3: It disagrees because diversity and inclusion are important for living standards,

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Speaker 3: inclusion and trust whatever. And it goes on, and it

1244
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Speaker 3: goes on. There's a legal challenge potentially for over the

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Speaker 3: Human Rights Act and Employment Relations Act. You know what,

1246
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: take your chance, as Judith, I reckon, because hiring someone

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Speaker 3: just because they're a woman is completely nuts. D away

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Speaker 3: from mate here the.

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Speaker 2: Dup c Allen on the Mike hosting breakfast with al

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Speaker 2: Vida Retirement Communities news togs dead.

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Speaker 3: Be also Heather on the shoplifting fine. The offenders won't

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Speaker 3: provide their name details unless you can rummage through their

1253
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: wallets or bags. Oh yeah, cool guys, real cool guys,

1254
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: making the cops life super easy. Speaking of, by the way,

1255
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: not providing names. If you haven't heard the story about

1256
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Speaker 3: the chap who accidentally got about eleven and a half

1257
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars transferred to the wrong bank account and the

1258
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Speaker 3: kafuffle he had to go through to get that money back.

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Speaker 3: Never got a back, never got a back. Hang on,

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Speaker 3: because I'm going to tell you about that shortly. Now

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Speaker 3: I need to tell you about the kids who don't

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Speaker 3: go to school. So this blew my mind. I went,

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Speaker 3: I went to a party. I'm not going to name

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Speaker 3: names because I don't want I don't want it to

1265
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Speaker 3: get back to her that I'm talking about her behind

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Speaker 3: her back openly on the radio. This person, but it

1267
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Speaker 3: was doesn't strike me as a news talk ZB listener.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that because strikes me as a

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Speaker 3: kind of slightly offbeat happy vibe. Now I don't mind

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Speaker 3: an offbeat happy, right, but not this kind of offbeat happy,

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Speaker 3: this offbeat happy. I think. I'm not even sure. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know if they've got a radio. Let's just

1273
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Speaker 3: say so. Anyway, wasn't The host of the party was

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Speaker 3: a friend at the party, sat down, started talking about kids,

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Speaker 3: as you do, and we're talking about kids being sick,

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Speaker 3: and I just made the comment. I said, oh, yeah,

1277
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Speaker 3: I think her kids were something like eight and ten

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Speaker 3: or whatever. And I said to her, Oh, yeah, school bugs,

1279
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Speaker 3: it's a pain in the butt. She goes, Oh, my

1280
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: kids don't go to school. And I was like, oh

1281
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: don't they. Oh jeez, I said, you're brave doing the

1282
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: old homeschooling. I don't. No, I don't do homeschooling. I

1283
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: was like, well, what are you doing. She goes, Oh,

1284
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Speaker 3: my kids are unschooling. What the hell is unschooling? Then like,

1285
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Speaker 3: at this stage, my po cafe, this is dropping Like

1286
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Speaker 3: I'm really trying. I'm trying here, but I cannot hide

1287
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: that this is becoming a bizarre situation to me. She says, basically,

1288
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: her kids learn just by themselves. They just do They

1289
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: just learn whatever, do their own thing, you know, So

1290
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Speaker 3: go out there, play with the bugs and a magnifying glass.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the learning science. I suppose learning light.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who's teaching them about refraction of lights,

1293
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: but that figuring that out, they go outside dig up

1294
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: some earth worms. I suppose they're learning about layers biodiversity.

1295
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 3: I don't really know anyway, So I said to her, listen,

1296
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Speaker 3: do you feel like by the time your kids get

1297
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Speaker 3: to I don't know, pick a number sixteen, they're going

1298
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Speaker 3: to be able to read as well as a sixteen

1299
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Speaker 3: year old. She's like, yeah, totally. I said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: can your eight and teen year old read yet? Nah?

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Speaker 3: So just in case you think that those eleven hundred

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Speaker 3: kids are like parents who don't care, No, they do care,

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Speaker 3: They just make some really wild decisions. Commentary boxes next.

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Speaker 2: The News and the News Hither Duper See Hellen on

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Speaker 2: the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the land Rover, Discovery never

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Speaker 2: stopped Discovering News, talks head.

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Speaker 12: Being too spru it, is no wrong, no run come.

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Speaker 20: And a so called second Frank brink Side has delivered

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Speaker 20: a third right performance, but the All Blacks hang on

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Speaker 20: to win Test number one of twenty twenty five thirty

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Speaker 20: one twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: He wanted off for a last time out.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna mean so much more Lando Norris for

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Speaker 3: the first time ever.

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Speaker 12: When's the Franzy Sprang fame.

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Speaker 3: It's a twenty first straight season with a victory.

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Speaker 4: For Stop Simpson.

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Speaker 1: What a brilliant win.

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Speaker 2: The Monday Morning Commentary Box on the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: with Spears Finance, supporting Kiwi businesses with finance solutions for

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Speaker 2: over fifty years.

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Speaker 3: Got Andrew Sevill and Jason Pine Lads, Good morning, morning,

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Speaker 3: sav What happened with the Rugby?

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Speaker 11: Sav?

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Speaker 3: Are you there? Piney? Are you there?

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Speaker 11: I'm here? I think Sav's there?

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Speaker 9: Is there there?

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Speaker 10: There?

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Speaker 16: We are?

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Speaker 3: We can We'll ask you that quick. This has got

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with me. I know you're thinking, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: she is. She's just coming like hot, sitting in this

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Speaker 3: guy seat. It's all the Greblins, Sav, What happened with

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Speaker 3: the Rugby?

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Speaker 4: Hello? Hello? Hello? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I can hear you. Can you hear me? Piney?

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Speaker 3: Can you talk to me? Piney?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? Shall we talk about what happened in the RUGGEDA?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: Pine what do you think? I think maybe we should

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Speaker 3: and we should just we should see if sav can

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Speaker 3: maybe join the world of the living with us. Piney

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Speaker 3: what happened in the rugby.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think we all understand and expect that in

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Speaker 11: the first All Blacks tests of a year, things are

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Speaker 11: never going to be perfect. I think a lot of people,

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Speaker 11: in fact, the majority of us, underestimated just how good

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Speaker 11: France we're going to be. We talked about a France

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Speaker 11: B team, a France C team, disrespectful and things like that.

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Speaker 11: But they turned up, you know, they turned up and

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Speaker 11: really gave the All Blacks. They a bit of a fright.

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Speaker 11: They could have won the game.

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Speaker 3: Really is it a case actually of what we need

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Speaker 3: to understand is that France has a depth of talent

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Speaker 3: within rugby kind of like we do. Right, we can

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Speaker 3: send a B squad somewhere in the world and actually

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Speaker 3: do a fair amount of damage and maybe the same

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Speaker 3: as true of them.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so. I think that's probably a fair assessment.

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Speaker 11: And you know, they're not a minnow, are they. They

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Speaker 11: are likely to have the depth that they displayed on

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Speaker 11: Saturday night. Well, I still think the All Blacks, you know,

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Speaker 11: you know, have more on the tank, but they've got

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Speaker 11: a bit to work on. They lost the aerial battle

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Speaker 11: on Saturday night. They were very clinical at the breakdown.

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Speaker 11: You know, defensively, letting in twenty seven points is not

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Speaker 11: something they'll be particularly proud of, so you're plenty to

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Speaker 11: work on. Eddy of the second test in Wellington on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Sav are you there now?

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Speaker 4: Can you hear me now?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Will you coffin to let us know that you were there?

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Speaker 16: Were you?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 4: I just I just know. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure I had my say okay,

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Speaker 4: go for it. Look it was a win.

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Speaker 21: And the line out and scrum went well, and and patches.

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Speaker 21: The All Blacks, with their fast paced, persistent game looked okay, but.

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Speaker 4: The aerial game they lost. Some of the kicking was bizarre.

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Speaker 21: Some of the kicking was aimless, and when they did

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Speaker 21: kick often there were no kick chases or the kickchases

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Speaker 21: were too flat. Yeah, so yeah, heaps to work on defensively.

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Speaker 21: There were some big holes at stages in that game

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Speaker 21: and also at the breakdown. The French played very hard

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Speaker 21: on the ball, They attacked the ball, they had the

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Speaker 21: ability to slow the All Blacks game down and patches,

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Speaker 21: so yet plenty to work on. You'd have to give

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Speaker 21: them another chance to impress a lot of those players

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Speaker 21: in the second Test in Wellington. But a couple of

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Speaker 21: fact an't willing to number one the weather, what's it

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Speaker 21: going to be like?

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Speaker 4: It is winter? And secondly an English referee.

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Speaker 3: Okay, give me a quick take on this sav What

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Speaker 3: do you think of Procter.

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Speaker 21: I thought he did okay. I see there's some sort

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Speaker 21: of not consternation but criticism of his play. I think

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Speaker 21: he went okay. I think that the French defended stoutly obviously,

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Speaker 21: and just look at no matter who gets put into

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Speaker 21: a test team. Test match rugby is different to super rugby,

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Speaker 21: and I think there was a nassy ref right, but

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Speaker 21: he refereed that game quite differently as to how he

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Speaker 21: would normally referee Super rugby. And this is one of

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Speaker 21: the frustrations for rugby, not apart from the TMO coming

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Speaker 21: in quite often and a couple of times he shouldn't

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Speaker 21: have come in. The rules and the interpretation of the rules.

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Speaker 21: You can understand why some fans still scratch their heads

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Speaker 21: a lot while they're watching different competitions in different rugby games. Look,

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Speaker 21: the other thing is hither, yes this is a depleted

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Speaker 21: French team ten or fifteen years ago. If the French

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Speaker 21: had sent aside like that to New Zealand, the All

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Speaker 21: Blacks would have absolutely smoked them. I thought on Saturday

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Speaker 21: they should have won by thirty or forty points. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: if they've scored a couple more tries, maybe the floodgates

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Speaker 21: had have opened. The other point I want to make

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Speaker 21: is if the All Blacks took their best fifteen or

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Speaker 21: twenty players out of their squad and had no players

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Speaker 21: from their competition final all the Crusaders and the Chiefs,

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Speaker 21: and went to Paris, the All Blacks would get well beaten.

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Speaker 3: So piney do we I'm loathed to say this because

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Speaker 3: I love Raiser, but do we have a problem.

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Speaker 11: No, not at all. I don't think we have a problem.

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Speaker 3: All the second shaky start in two seasons.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Like I say, every All Black season starts shakily.

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Speaker 11: I don't think we can we can say that. No,

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Speaker 11: we've got a problem with the coach. Absolutely not. I

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Speaker 11: mean Sam zanderal on a couple of really good points

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Speaker 11: around you know, the the relative strength of the two sides. No,

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Speaker 11: I don't think there's any issue here, and they were

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Speaker 11: very upfront yesterday. I had Jason Holland on my show,

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Speaker 11: Jason ryand and media razor after the game. They weren't

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Speaker 11: in any way shying away from the areas they need

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Speaker 11: to work on. Can I just make a point about

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Speaker 11: the TMO and in particular the third disallowed try, and

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Speaker 11: in fact all three TMO interventions that led to tries

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Speaker 11: being disallowed. Nick Berry on the field has a tremendous

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Speaker 11: view of all three incidents. He's one of the best

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Speaker 11: referees in the world. He has a great view of

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01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 11: Fletcher Yule's knock on, a great view of Billy Procter

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Speaker 11: forcing the ball over the line, and an excellent view

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Speaker 11: of Pasilio Toossi supposedly running interference and doesn't see anything

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Speaker 11: wrong in any of them. And look, I think the

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Speaker 11: third one is at best fifty to fifty so the

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Speaker 11: TMO intervention, there's got to be a better one, Oh mate,

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Speaker 11: then waiting It was three minutes from the time Will

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 11: Jordan put the ball down to when they started again.

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 11: Three minutes of inactivity. You can see why those who

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Speaker 11: who prefer rugby league use that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm glad you raised it, because I'm sick of

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: raising it. I raise it so much I've become a

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Speaker 3: broken record, so I appreciate it. Okay, we'll take a break,

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Speaker 3: come back to you guys. Eight fourteen, The.

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Speaker 2: Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, part by

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Speaker 2: News Talks at B brought.

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Speaker 3: You back of the Commentary Box Andrew Seville and Jason Pinesett.

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Speaker 2: On Monday Morning Commentary Box on the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: with Spears Finance, supporting Kiwi businesses with finance solutions for

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: over fifty years.

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Speaker 3: Sav Piney's had a winge about the TMO. Do you

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Speaker 3: want to have a winge about the AI at Wimbledon?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's well. All this technology is being used in

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Speaker 21: tennis now. They even use it at the tournament here.

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Speaker 21: So are there any other actual human line judges at Wimbledon?

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Speaker 11: I don't no, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know there are no.

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Speaker 3: The answer is no. From the experts in my.

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Speaker 21: Ear, there's always look, there's always going to be you

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Speaker 21: don't see a lot of it, a lot of issues

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Speaker 21: with hawkeye whatever they call it these days.

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Speaker 4: But I suppose there's always a risk of it, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it? That's jeezav? I mean it missed

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Speaker 3: a ball out by a foot right. That's quite yeah,

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: that's quite bad, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do you have human the

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Speaker 4: human eye.

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Speaker 21: They hit the ball so hard these days, the human

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01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 21: eye would probably miss a lot more.

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: I think, do you do well?

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Speaker 3: The human I didn't miss that, which is why they

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Speaker 3: called it?

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Speaker 18: Do you not?

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 3: I mean, is the is the thing that maybe is

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: the problem? Because I don't have a problem with this,

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01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 3: this actually happening, but surely you have to test it

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 3: before you roll it out?

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Speaker 11: Piney, Well, they must have done that. Hawkeye's been around

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01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 11: for ages, hasn't it In tennis, even when they do

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 11: have humans there as well. You you know, Hawkeye's been there,

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Speaker 11: And I actually think hawkeye, when it's done well, is

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Speaker 11: the best use of technology in sport? Is the ball in?

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 11: Is the ball out? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: It's better than what they do with cricket.

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Speaker 11: Well, no, cricket, I mean certainly with the with lb

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 11: w's it can be subjective runouts and runouts absolutely no

1495
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 11: problem with that. That's the thing with technology and sport

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01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 11: when it's deciding something that's black and white. If we

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Speaker 11: look at a rugby example, has somebody put their foot

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01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 11: into touch or not that is something that you can

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Speaker 11: tell absolutely without you know, unequivocally, has that happens? Has

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Speaker 11: a ball gone and has a ball gone out? In tennis,

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 11: it's the it's when the TMO is relitigating subjective decisions

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Speaker 11: and I know we don't want to go back to

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 11: the rugby. That's when technology in sport crosses the line.

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Speaker 21: No fair enough, the reliance on video technology I think's

1505
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 21: got out of hand and a lot of sort moving

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Speaker 21: away from from wimbled and maybe back to the rugby.

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Speaker 21: But rugby's problem is there's so many gray areas that

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 21: you could you could you could slow down every ruck

1509
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 21: and every game a rugby and give away a penalty

1510
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 21: or a water penalty either way. So it is the

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Speaker 21: other thrush to just quick me back to the rugby

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Speaker 21: before we move on. The other frustrating thing for mine

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Speaker 21: is that there's a lot of experience in that All

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Speaker 21: Blacks team. This is not a young team. Yes they

1515
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 21: had three or four new caps, but there's a huge

1516
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 21: amount of experience. I don't know where the Piney can

1517
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 21: confirm this, but when they went for that late penalty goal,

1518
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 21: did they look to the sideline for a call?

1519
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 17: No?

1520
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 4: I think whether or not to kick it.

1521
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they made that decision on the field.

1522
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 11: Well it's impossible to tell, sav, isn't it. They might

1523
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 11: have got a not or a wink. But yeah, but

1524
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 11: then there was another.

1525
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 4: Like we think they could make that decision themselves on

1526
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 4: the field.

1527
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was another one when Cody Taylor pointed to

1528
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 11: the posts and they were going to take it and

1529
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 11: Cam roy Gard picked up the ball and it and

1530
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 11: went himself. So yeah, bit of confusion there, but yeah, no, yeah,

1531
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 11: you're right. It's not a Green All Blacks team at.

1532
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 3: All, absolutely not.

1533
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 4: Sav.

1534
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 3: Listen, tell me, I can't keep quite keep track of

1535
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: what's significant for Liam Lawson and what isn't. Is it

1536
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: significant that he's knocked out in the first.

1537
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 21: Lap, Well, yeah, he was on a bit of a roll. Well,

1538
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 21: he had that best fin his created in the last week.

1539
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 21: So frustrating. That's what happens. The problem is when you

1540
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 21: qualify down that low, that's there's a lot of dicey

1541
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 21: traffic at the start and you're going to get caught

1542
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 21: up in a lot of that stuff quite often, and

1543
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 21: that's what's happened to him. Just purely bad luck and

1544
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 21: unfortunately for him, that's motor racing.

1545
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: That that.

1546
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 21: I thought that may have been a turn in fortunes

1547
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 21: last week with his luck, but it appears not.

1548
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hope. So Hey, guys, it's wonderful to talk

1549
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 3: to you. Thank you very much, and Piney, thank you

1550
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: for preaching my language on that bloody TMO.

1551
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 4: Is that one quick Heather? You did do miss half

1552
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 4: of it.

1553
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 3: That's because he might have muted us for a fair chunk.

1554
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 21: Hey, just a quick question for you and your listeners.

1555
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 21: Do you think the South Africans were sitting back in

1556
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 21: Pretoria or joe Berg and looking at the all Blacks

1557
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 21: and going, hm.

1558
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: I do what do you think? No, well, well we

1559
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: can take.

1560
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 4: Away they want to play.

1561
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 21: If that's the way they want to play against the Spring,

1562
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 21: they'll have to get better obviously.

1563
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1564
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, lad's good to talk to you. Look after yourself.

1565
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again next week. It's Andrew Savil,

1566
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: Jason Pie and Commentary Box eight twenty one.

1567
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the

1568
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: land Rover, Discovery News Talks Dead be.

1569
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: Hey, are you the kind of business owner that does

1570
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 3: a lot of talking about how great your services and

1571
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 3: how amazing your product is. Well, it may be the case,

1572
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: but here's a thought. If your business really is great,

1573
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 3: make sure it looks great as well, because, let's face it,

1574
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: first impressions can't we.

1575
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 4: All know that?

1576
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: And if your signage is looking a bit tired or

1577
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: maybe worse, you don't have any signage at all, it

1578
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 3: can make your business feel a little invisible and that

1579
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: needs sorting, and it needs sorting fast.

1580
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 11: Now.

1581
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 3: Whether it's signs for your shop front, or graphics on

1582
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 3: your windows, or a vehicle wrap that turns your car

1583
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 3: into a moving ad, Speedy Signs can make you look

1584
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 3: the part and look professional, and that's a game changer.

1585
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: You look established, you look confident, You stand out from

1586
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: the noise. Speedy Signs has been doing this for over

1587
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: twenty five years. They've got nearly thirty locations across the country,

1588
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: so they really know what they are doing. So cool,

1589
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred speedy or check out speed co dot

1590
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: z because your business deserves to look as good as

1591
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: it really is.

1592
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: Ever do for see Allen morning Glenn.

1593
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 3: See you've got the interns in. I object on Andrew

1594
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 3: Savile's behalf because it was him who muted it with

1595
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 3: his cheeks. Heather, what about Tim Price is a fair point. Actually,

1596
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: Tim Price and the equestrian team have won the Nation's

1597
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 3: Cup for the second time, and Tim Price was the

1598
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: individual winner in Germany of that particular little event, So

1599
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: well done to them. Happy days. By the way, this

1600
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 3: is for anybody in Auckland who hates Auckland Transport, which

1601
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 3: is literally all of us, has lost its ability to

1602
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: make policy from today. Counsel has taken the power back.

1603
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: And any day that transport planners get defenestrated, especially the

1604
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: weird ones, only the weird ones, some of them are good,

1605
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: is a happy day for me.

1606
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1607
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 3: I said to you earlier on, at twenty six past hour,

1608
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: I said to you earlier on, I'm on a sleep deficit.

1609
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: Guess how much sleep I got last night? One hour.

1610
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 3: I'm working on one hour. I think, actually I think

1611
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: I'm working on two hours because I don't know. Well,

1612
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: it's complicated, but I don't know if you realize this,

1613
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 3: But Mike gets in. Mike wakes up at two thirty

1614
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: and gets in a quarter past three, And if you're

1615
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: if you're filling in for Mike, you cannot be You

1616
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 3: simply cannot be not doing that. So that's what I did.

1617
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 3: But I did not get to sleep until quarter past

1618
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 3: one this morning, and I, frankly, I don't know how

1619
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 3: it's gonna I'll tell you the story about it later on, actually,

1620
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 3: because you know, like a load shared is a load harved.

1621
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 3: You know, like, if I tell you the story, I'm

1622
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: going to feel better about the situation.

1623
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 15: Just here, you reckon.

1624
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 12: That applies though if you share it with people who

1625
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 12: also didn't get very much sleep last.

1626
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 3: Night, Oh yeah, because then we can chat about it

1627
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 3: with each other and make each other feel better. So

1628
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 3: just you know, we'll talk about it, okay. Also, also

1629
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: the guy who lost eleven and a half thousand dollars

1630
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 3: and could have get back. You've got to hear the story.

1631
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 3: Something needs to change here Hews his next.

1632
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: The only report you need to start your day.

1633
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: Heather duper c Allen on the MIC, asking breakfast with

1634
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: Bailey's real Estate all together better across residential, commercial and

1635
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: rural news tog sad B.

1636
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 3: Morning, Heather, I was at that Rugby game. The TMO

1637
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: totally ruined the atmosphere at the ground. In my opinion,

1638
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: what's the point of having the reef on the field, Proctor,

1639
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 3: No try, I have no problem with the other two.

1640
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: Just ruin the match for me. Cheers Hayden, Hey do

1641
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 3: you make a fair point?

1642
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 4: Do you know what?

1643
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 3: Can I just say this though about the CMR. I

1644
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 3: don't mind. I think the point that we're getting to

1645
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 3: is it's totally fine that you've got the electronics involved, right,

1646
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,879
Speaker 3: and you've got people sitting up in boxes and AI

1647
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: and hawkeye and snick snick whatever, you know, Like the

1648
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 3: whole thing is fine. But the problem is where it

1649
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: goes too far. And that is the problem with rugby.

1650
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 3: It's that what's happened is you're not just looking at

1651
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: the thing that just happened. You're going on. I didn't

1652
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 3: find any problem in that rack. Let's go backwards. Oh look,

1653
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: oh there's a pass. No no problem with the pass.

1654
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: Oh let's go backwards. Oh look it's a kick, no

1655
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 3: problem with Oh we found a problem. Yeah, Now we

1656
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 3: can't award to try. It feels like fishing for problems.

1657
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: And there you have the thing that's driving people nuts. Now,

1658
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 3: if you want to know what's going on with the

1659
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: property market, who do you look too, Tony Alexander every time?

1660
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 3: Right man? Knows what he's talking about. He's got a

1661
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 3: really good piece in one roof today, so go and

1662
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: read this summary is basically buyers market all the way

1663
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 3: through to twenty twenty six. He's done supply and demand

1664
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 3: curves and is factor and a lot of stuff. It's

1665
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: far too much for us to basically canvas here, so

1666
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: you can go and get the detail. But what he

1667
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 3: said is if you look, if you move the curves

1668
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 3: around and stuff, look at what he's got higher turnover

1669
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: and house construction. No clear signal than where prices are heading.

1670
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 3: We know that prices have fallen for each of the

1671
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: past three months to May. This is this year, and

1672
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: his latest survey of real estate agents around the country

1673
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: shows a net tw twenty six percent feel that price

1674
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: is face downward pressure in the locations they work. And

1675
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 3: so you've got net number of agents saying prices are

1676
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 3: still going down, given them many comments from agents about

1677
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 3: vendors who are still hung up on twenty twenty one,

1678
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 3: price is still trying to chase that high. Expect the

1679
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 3: buyer's market to continue until well into next year. Having

1680
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 3: said that, it pays to be aware that the high

1681
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 3: supply of property exists in the low to mid price

1682
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: part the market, and once the economy is stronger, business profits,

1683
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: better job security, higher salary increases, higher, the upper half

1684
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: of the market could show some surprising strength next year.

1685
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 3: So basically, at the entry level, still a buyer's market,

1686
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: still a buyer's market for ages, but once you get

1687
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 3: into those higher prices next year the business Heather do

1688
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: for Sea Allen, Heather, I love your grit. Most others

1689
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: would have called in sick. I don't think you can

1690
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 3: call in sick for this. I did this to myself.

1691
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: So what happened last Nightka, So the context as Mike

1692
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 3: wakes up at two thirty. This is not normal. Okay,

1693
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 3: it's not normal, but this is what you have to

1694
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 3: do if you're going to come in and do Mike's show,

1695
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 3: because you can't become in in your half fast, right.

1696
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: The man's a legend, so you've got to at least

1697
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: try try to match, right. So anyway, decided, right, okay, well,

1698
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: if we're getting up at two thirty, let's go to

1699
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 3: be at eight thirty. Right, let's turn the light out

1700
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 3: at eight thirty. That gives you a solid six hours

1701
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: sleep and then you can compensate with a little one

1702
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: and a half hour nap during the day, and then

1703
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 3: you're kind of getting up to eight hours, you know,

1704
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 3: and you can sort of function a little bit anyway.

1705
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 3: So eight thirty I turn the light out. Now, if

1706
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: you've had children, right, if you've had children, you know

1707
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 3: about the false start. The false start is what happens

1708
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: when the baby goes to sleep too early or too late.

1709
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: And that's what I did. I gave myself a false start.

1710
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: So I nailed about an hour's sleep from eight thirty

1711
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: to nine thirty. Then I woke up and I was like, right,

1712
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm awake, but it's nine thirty at night. What do

1713
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 3: I do? So I lay there. I tried everything to

1714
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 3: go back to sleep. I read part of Justinta's book.

1715
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 3: I thought, that's sure fire, that's gonna put me to sleep.

1716
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: Reading just in his book, you know about how she

1717
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 3: feels about things and crying, and it's a lot of

1718
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 3: crying in this part. I was like, oh, surely, no,

1719
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 3: not even that put me to sleep. Thought I'll watch

1720
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: a bit of Ship's Creek. Watched a few minutes that

1721
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: just wound me up. So that didn't work. So I

1722
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 3: got up and went to the bathroom, you know, like

1723
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: just get up, walk a bit, you know, go back

1724
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: to bed, rolled around by the stage. I have ripped

1725
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 3: sheets like off the edges, like I'm tossing and turning

1726
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: being a psycho. I put on white noise, like really

1727
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 3: loudly rain. I thought, the rain's gonna make me go

1728
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 3: to sleep. I did the trick that you're supposed to

1729
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,480
Speaker 3: do with words we do all the I did that

1730
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 3: that didn't work in the end. At half past eleven.

1731
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: What happened as I started panicking because I was already awake. Sorry,

1732
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: so I'm now I'm panicking about the fact that I'm awake,

1733
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: and I started to settle into the idea that I

1734
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 3: was in fact going to come and do the show

1735
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: with absolutely no sleep whatsoever. And this was starting to

1736
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 3: get me very upset. So at half past eleven, I thought, right,

1737
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 3: we're pulling it. We're going new clear on this. I

1738
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 3: went downstairs and I got a beer. On a Sunday

1739
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 3: night at half past eleven, I got a beer. I

1740
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 3: took it up to the bathroom.

1741
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 12: Yes, yeah, it needs to be a nice heavy high

1742
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 12: alcohol one too.

1743
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 3: It was not bad. It was like a five point five.

1744
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't as heavy as I needed, and it wasn't

1745
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: even chill like I just so that you think like, oh,

1746
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 3: we're dealing with alcoholic. Nothing about this was pleasant, although

1747
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 3: that probably does make me an alcoholic. It was warm,

1748
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: it was straight out of the cupboard. I opened it

1749
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 3: up and I chopped it in about two minutes flat.

1750
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: I thought, that's gonna put me to sleep. I lay there.

1751
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: I lay there for two more hours. I listened to

1752
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: somebody telling me to relax from my head too much.

1753
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 3: She was so annoying I had to stop. Then I

1754
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 3: had to listen to Balinese spa music. I think that

1755
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 3: is what finally got to me there and I fell us.

1756
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 3: Last I checked my watch was called past one, and

1757
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 3: then next minute it was two thirty one hours awake.

1758
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: So I think, actually, to be fair, I have probably

1759
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm probably on one plus one hour's two hours sleep.

1760
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 3: My problem is now I'm going to go home. Now

1761
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 3: you know what's going to happen. I'm going to crash,

1762
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 3: and then I'm going to do what the babies do

1763
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: as well, which is napple all day and we turn

1764
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 3: our days into nights, and then we're going to do

1765
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 3: this all tomorrow So, anyway.

1766
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 12: Did you want a bit of advice from an old

1767
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 12: geezer who's been going through pretty much what You've just

1768
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 12: stay awake all day every Sunday night, and it's always

1769
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 12: worth and it's always worse when you're coming back from

1770
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 12: holiday as well.

1771
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think, ah, it's.

1772
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 12: Gonna be great. I'm gonna be so rested and I'm

1773
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 12: going to feel like a new man when i go

1774
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 12: to work tomorrow. And then it's always that night, that

1775
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 12: first night before you go back to work that you

1776
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 12: can So what's the tip? So the tip is don't

1777
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 12: find out what time it is and don't look at

1778
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 12: your watch. Don't look at your watch, so you don't

1779
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 12: pack because it's at that point you're going, oh my god,

1780
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 12: I'm only going to This is only going to be

1781
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 12: an hour's sleep if I go to bed now. Whereas

1782
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 12: you know, if you don't know, you don't know.

1783
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: But then you can't explain why you're a dud the

1784
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 3: next day. At least I've got an excuse for all

1785
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 3: of the mistakes I've made. But you know what, I'm

1786
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 3: going to try. What can't hurt? Can it?

1787
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 7: Like?

1788
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 12: It's so hard a being on the radio, it is well,

1789
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 12: it's such a hard job.

1790
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 3: It's really hard sitting here and talking.

1791
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 12: I mean you people out there doing your brain surgery

1792
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 12: and your drain maindenance.

1793
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 3: And also probably on two hours sleep. Yeah, yeah it is.

1794
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 12: You don't know how easy you guys have got it.

1795
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: But I'm bearing everybody's weight right now. I'm telling everybody's story,

1796
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: so you know the burden, the responsibility. It's a heavy shot.

1797
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: It's a heavy thing on my shoulders. Sixteen away from nine.

1798
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: For the Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on. I have

1799
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: radio powered by news Talks at b here.

1800
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: They just put the radio on. Marcus Lush will make

1801
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 3: you sleep. Works for me, Thank you, Tresh. I suppose

1802
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: so you've got a bed with a man. I suppose

1803
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 3: like there's part that you know. The double helps, doesn't it. Heather,

1804
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: put the air pods in and play Jeff Clarks and

1805
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 3: works for me again, going to bed with the man, Heather,

1806
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 3: the beer was a mistake. I drink a whiskey with

1807
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: some chocolate. Look, can't hurt. Try something to do, Try

1808
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: something different tonight.

1809
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 12: Just work your way through the liquor cabinet until you

1810
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 12: fall asleep, until we.

1811
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 3: Find the thing that makes you sleep on the troublers.

1812
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 3: Of course you hit the contro nick minute you at

1813
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: the sugar in and then you're really in trouble. But

1814
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 3: then again extra fire you all the way through to

1815
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: tomorrow at six, do the show. It'll be a wild

1816
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 3: but it'll be fun. And it's also a contrast because

1817
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't feel like Mike has ever come and drunk,

1818
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 3: has he? So you know we missed the days of

1819
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Paul Anyway. I didn't say that out loud, did I?

1820
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: But I did. Now you've got to hear the story

1821
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 3: about the man who's losing money to the wrong bank

1822
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 3: account right and can't get back, and you tell me

1823
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 3: if the system works you, because this doesn't work for me.

1824
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: So story starts in September twenty nineteen. This is wild,

1825
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: by the way. Story starts in September twenty nineteen, guy

1826
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: called Mark Graham gets a concussion in a moped accident.

1827
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: It's relevant to this because in May twenty twenty, which

1828
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 3: is what like nine months later or whatever. Eight months later,

1829
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 3: he buys himself a pair of ski boots on Facebook

1830
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 3: marketplace from a man, and so he pays the man

1831
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 3: into the ASB ASB bank account and then he goes

1832
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: to the Auckland CBD apartment to collect the ski boots,

1833
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 3: and it's a woman, and he collects these happy days.

1834
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 7: Right.

1835
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: A few days go past and he sends out an

1836
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: invoice for work. He sends out an invoice now to

1837
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 3: get some money back for eleven and a half thousand

1838
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: dollars for work that's been done accidentally. What he does, though,

1839
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 3: because he's got the concussion, is he puts the wrong

1840
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: bank account on the invoice. He doesn't put his bank

1841
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 3: account on the invoice. He puts the bank account of

1842
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: the person who he's paid for the ski boot ski boots,

1843
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 3: so the people paying the invoice don't pay it to him, right,

1844
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: Because he sees no money arrives in his bank account,

1845
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 3: eventually figures it out. Oh no, they've paid the person

1846
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 3: with the ski boots. They paid that account. So he figures, well,

1847
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 3: I'll just I'll find out who's got this bank account

1848
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: who the person isn't get my money back, he asked,

1849
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: asb won't tell him, gets in touch with the Manny Bold,

1850
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 3: the ski boots of man, deletes his Facebook account, hires

1851
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: a private investigator. The private investigator identifies the man got

1852
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: the right name. Goes to the disputes tribunal, wrong person,

1853
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 3: same same name, wrong person. So now the case is

1854
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: thrown out, gets the private investigator to do the job again,

1855
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 3: gets the right guy this time, files new proceedings. Now

1856
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 3: remember this is May twenty twenty. Now we're in February

1857
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, when he's finally got the case. At

1858
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: the dispute's tribunal. He wins. There's a civil enforcement order

1859
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 3: that's made against the ski boot man for the money.

1860
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 3: Right the man's car is seized to get the money back.

1861
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: But the man gets a rehearing in June twenty twenty two,

1862
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: So now we're two years into the problem. He gets

1863
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 3: a rehearing. He says, it's not my bank account, it's

1864
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: not my boots. I didn't get the money. Tribunal says, no,

1865
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 3: it's actually true. You don't have to pay the money. Now, ASB,

1866
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 3: can you help us? It can just give us the name, please, ASB.

1867
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: So ASB. Finally, after a couple of weeks it's like, fine,

1868
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: gives the name. It's not the man, it's the man's girlfriend,

1869
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 3: the one who we turned up. We got the ski

1870
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 3: boots from the lady it's her. Now. Finally we've got

1871
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 3: the right name, we've got the email address. Mark Graham

1872
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 3: writes to her and says, can you just give me

1873
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: my money back. It's been a couple of years. I

1874
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 3: need it. She ignores him, so he goes again to

1875
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: the dispute's tribunal take some proceedings against her. It's now

1876
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 3: October twenty twenty two. He wins, she's ordered to pay

1877
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 3: it back. She goes, nah, she waits two years. We're

1878
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 3: now in twenty twenty four, four years after this happened.

1879
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 3: She goes for a rehearing. She admits, yeah, she got

1880
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 3: the money, but she thought it was inheritance money, so

1881
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 3: she's not going to pay it back. Months later, September

1882
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, tribunal says, n you actually need to

1883
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 3: pay it back. Money plus interest is now thirteen thousand dollars.

1884
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 3: She has not paid a cent. Now this is mental,

1885
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: isn't it that we're in this situation. Surely, surely, to God, surely,

1886
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: to God, we can figure this out. There must be

1887
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 3: a law about it, the whole thing. She cannot be

1888
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 3: forced at the stage by anybody other than the dispute

1889
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 3: tribunal to pay the money back and she just won't.

1890
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 3: How crazy is that? Nine Away from nine.

1891
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: Heather Do for Sea Ellen on the mic, asking breakfast

1892
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 2: with Bailey's real estate news dogs.

1893
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: They'd be oh, we might have got to the bottom

1894
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 3: of what went on at Wimbledon. They've just apologized because

1895
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 3: the electronic line calling thing was switched off accidentally.

1896
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 12: So that's sort of a Heathrow Airport fire.

1897
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: Scenario, is it. Yeah, that's that's unfortunate, isn't it when

1898
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 3: you've got a I mean, it's not like Wimbledon. It's

1899
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 3: a big deal in the tennis world. But maybe if

1900
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 3: you if you keep that thing on, that's a good idea.

1901
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 3: By the way, they're not putting the lion down. This

1902
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,919
Speaker 3: is the line that bit the lady's arm off yesterday

1903
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 3: in Queensland at a zoo. They're saying the animal involved

1904
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 3: was not an animal which is recently cubbed. The animal

1905
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 3: will definitely not be put down or punished in any way,

1906
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 3: which is fair enough because the animal wasn't doing anything.

1907
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 3: It was he was in his home, She came in

1908
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 3: legitimate food and the animal just acted like the animal

1909
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 3: would have. So don't go into the lining closure obviously

1910
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 3: six away from nine.

1911
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:59,440
Speaker 2: Trending now warehouse your home of winter Essentials, Oh Missy.

1912
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 3: The mountain below. So in the music scene they seem

1913
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: to place increasing stock on something hitting one billion streams,

1914
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 3: and apparently the musicians do as well, because that is

1915
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: why we are playing the song. This is Icy Fire

1916
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 3: by Ed Sheeron. Most of you will know that this

1917
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 3: is the song that Sharon wrote for The Hobbit The

1918
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 3: Desolation of Spargg. So Sharon has made a post to

1919
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 3: commemorate the fact that the song was written twelve years

1920
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 3: ago this week and has just topped one billion streams.

1921
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 3: And he said he was in Ibeetha when he woke

1922
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 3: up to an email from Peter Jackson asking if he'd

1923
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 3: come to New Zealand to record a song for the movie.

1924
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 3: This is because Peter Jackson's daughter Katie thought Ed was

1925
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 3: a bit of something something when it comes to music,

1926
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 3: and he was on a flight that morning.

1927
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 16: Imagine how cool that is.

1928
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I just went what am I doing today? Nothing

1929
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 3: like go to New Zealand. He landed in New Zealand

1930
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: got to see an early cut of the film so

1931
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 3: he could write the song. It was the first song

1932
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 3: he'd ever written, he'd ever written like that, solo, produced,

1933
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: and then played every single instrument on ended up being

1934
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 3: his first proper Useuropean hit and is still today, he says,

1935
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:06,520
Speaker 3: the song he's most recognized for. Find that quite surprising,

1936
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: but it is so, Heather. Could you know what I

1937
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 3: don't need to do? A warm bath or a shower, Massie.

1938
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 3: I could just listen to this, I reckon. It's kind

1939
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 3: of music to sleep, doesn't it. It's probably too early

1940
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 3: in the morning to be like sending you off to sleep.

1941
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: So anyway, melatonin and a hot bath, Margaret, thank you,

1942
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 3: piece of toast with jam plus a small Cama mile tea.

1943
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 3: That works for me. Heather, We've got babies exactly the

1944
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: same age. My girl is doing the same thing. She

1945
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 3: was awake from eleven thirty into one thirty. And you

1946
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: fail to understand it's not my daughter at five and

1947
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 3: a half months old that was behaving like the newborn.

1948
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 4: It was me.

1949
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Speaker 12: Did you just need changing?

1950
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Speaker 15: Maybe?

1951
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Speaker 4: I think.

1952
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 3: Nobody checked my navy or offered me a bottle of

1953
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 3: milk that was the problem. You know what happens if

1954
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 3: you don't check the navy and offer the bottom and

1955
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 3: bottle of milk. They get up and they walk into

1956
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Speaker 3: the pantry and crack a beer at eleven thirty.

1957
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Speaker 12: Maybe somebody just needs to put you over their shoulder

1958
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 12: and pat you do.

1959
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Speaker 9: You know what.

1960
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Speaker 3: At one point, at one point of the deepest depths

1961
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Speaker 3: of my despair, actually thought about calling my mum and

1962
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 3: just be like, mom key, you just talk to me.

1963
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 3: I think it'll make everything better. Anyway. Also thought about

1964
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 3: calling the boss and telling him, but I thought I'll

1965
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 3: do that, jeez, I'll be like, we can't let Mike

1966
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Speaker 3: out of the building of it falls apart. Anyway, we

1967
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Speaker 3: will see you tomorrow. You have yourself a lovely day,

1968
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Speaker 3: Kirka to me, new Stalk, said bid.

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Speaker 16: By.

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