WEBVTT - Rugby Direct Episode 243: All Blacks Win Big, But Are They Getting Better? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks ed B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:19.373 --> 0:00:29.493 Straight down the middle of Trumps, try. 0:00:28.733 --> 0:00:32.413 To get inside the game from every end goal. It's 0:00:32.533 --> 0:00:36.333 Rugby Direct with Elliott Smith and Liam Napier, powered by 0:00:36.373 --> 0:00:37.133 News Talks EDB. 0:00:37.493 --> 0:00:40.973 Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Access Solutions, elevating you 0:00:41.013 --> 0:00:44.693 and your business to a higher level. Elliott Smith with 0:00:44.733 --> 0:00:47.573 me Liam Napier from The New Zealand Herald, as we 0:00:47.733 --> 0:00:52.613 reflect on the All Blacks win over Italy forty seven seventeen. 0:00:53.773 --> 0:00:56.933 Nape's first and foremost your your top line reactions to 0:00:57.933 --> 0:01:01.693 that game where the All Blacks won convincingly but also 0:01:02.213 --> 0:01:03.933 weirdly not convincingly. 0:01:04.293 --> 0:01:07.013 It's a great summary. E let's it's been a bit 0:01:07.053 --> 0:01:08.533 of a whirl windaw hasn't it come back from the 0:01:08.573 --> 0:01:11.973 capitol back in Auckland now. Look a lot to unpack 0:01:12.053 --> 0:01:15.173 from that game. First of all, I think nice to 0:01:15.173 --> 0:01:18.533 have early kickoff five pm, lots of families, lots of kids. 0:01:18.853 --> 0:01:20.533 It was a bit of a battle to sell it out. 0:01:20.573 --> 0:01:24.253 Italy are hard to sell them most other international teams, 0:01:24.293 --> 0:01:27.533 so that was really notable. And then from the All Blacks. Yeah, 0:01:27.573 --> 0:01:32.533 I think one really good quarter and a lot to 0:01:32.573 --> 0:01:36.693 improve otherwise. Look, Italy are the big movers of the 0:01:36.733 --> 0:01:40.173 six nations, but they were missing three of their starters 0:01:41.253 --> 0:01:43.293 and they're at the back end of the year. They 0:01:43.373 --> 0:01:48.413 come off successive losses to Japan and Wales. They were 0:01:48.533 --> 0:01:51.893 very resolute in defense, but I thought the All Blacks 0:01:52.493 --> 0:01:58.053 didn't adapt and had real trouble breaking through. They made 0:01:58.093 --> 0:02:00.693 some good adjustments after halftime, got some pay and then 0:02:00.813 --> 0:02:03.733 finished quite poorly as well. So all in all, I 0:02:03.773 --> 0:02:06.133 think they've really summed up well. And he said it 0:02:06.173 --> 0:02:08.333 was a pass, but he could tell he wasn't happy 0:02:08.413 --> 0:02:10.413 with the overall nature of that performance. 0:02:10.493 --> 0:02:13.293 Yeah, it was clunky, It was scratchy, wasn't it. And 0:02:13.333 --> 0:02:15.613 I think the All Blacks have a lot to work 0:02:15.653 --> 0:02:20.413 on head facing Irelands next week. I think it probably 0:02:20.413 --> 0:02:22.933 depends on your point of view on life in general, 0:02:22.933 --> 0:02:25.533 where you're a glass half full, glass half empty sort 0:02:25.573 --> 0:02:30.253 of person. I would probably classify it as a minor 0:02:30.293 --> 0:02:33.333 step back from the first week against France, because there 0:02:33.373 --> 0:02:35.493 were a lot of expectations that they would build on 0:02:35.533 --> 0:02:39.133 what worked well against France and continue to layer. 0:02:38.933 --> 0:02:43.773 That on, particularly having gone with a really strong team 0:02:43.933 --> 0:02:45.133 and not an experimental one. 0:02:45.293 --> 0:02:45.613 That's right. 0:02:45.653 --> 0:02:47.333 So you go, okay, well, these players have had another 0:02:47.373 --> 0:02:50.013 week in the saddle, another seven days to the ten 0:02:50.053 --> 0:02:52.213 they had before the first game against France, so they 0:02:52.213 --> 0:02:54.813 should be a bit clearer around some of the roles. 0:02:54.853 --> 0:02:57.493 I didn't really see that for long periods of the game. 0:02:58.533 --> 0:03:00.893 But when the All Blacks flicked the switch in that 0:03:00.973 --> 0:03:05.533 thirteen fourteen minutes after halftime, they were utterly lethal and 0:03:06.053 --> 0:03:09.333 a sign of what they can do when they everything 0:03:09.373 --> 0:03:12.173 does click for them, and they closed the game down 0:03:12.213 --> 0:03:14.453 and in the matter of thirteen to fourteen minutes with 0:03:14.493 --> 0:03:17.733 those four tries after the break, But as Dave Renny rude, 0:03:17.773 --> 0:03:20.053 they didn't kick on with it. And look, there are 0:03:20.093 --> 0:03:22.133 a couple of reasons potentially for that. There was a 0:03:22.133 --> 0:03:24.493 big long stoppage for Tomaso Allen, which took all the 0:03:24.493 --> 0:03:26.733 momentum out of a game that was already won by 0:03:26.773 --> 0:03:29.933 the All Blacks. But they were playing against fourteen for 0:03:29.973 --> 0:03:32.053 a long period of the back half of the game 0:03:32.493 --> 0:03:37.093 and didn't accelerate what was obviously going to be a win. 0:03:37.253 --> 0:03:40.093 So there was for me a lot to work on 0:03:40.133 --> 0:03:41.693 out of the game, and I think probably as set 0:03:41.733 --> 0:03:43.613 at the top. A minor step back from what we 0:03:43.653 --> 0:03:44.413 saw last week. 0:03:44.813 --> 0:03:46.973 Yeah, I think, look, this is a team that's in 0:03:47.013 --> 0:03:51.813 its infancy and growing pains are very evident, and from 0:03:51.813 --> 0:03:54.173 a game plan perspective, I think there has been quite 0:03:54.173 --> 0:03:57.293 significant change. You can see the All Blacks intent to 0:03:57.333 --> 0:03:59.853 retain the ball. They only kicked four times in the 0:03:59.853 --> 0:04:04.373 first half last week it was six. They made the 0:04:05.253 --> 0:04:07.533 I've got some stats here for you. They made three 0:04:07.573 --> 0:04:10.573 hundred and twelve passes, which is their most in the 0:04:10.653 --> 0:04:13.533 last fifteen years according to op the stats, and one 0:04:13.613 --> 0:04:15.973 hundred and eighty eight carries, which is also their fourth 0:04:16.093 --> 0:04:19.653 most in that same timeframe. So that tells you it 0:04:19.693 --> 0:04:23.813 speaks to the game plan, to the ball retention. But 0:04:23.893 --> 0:04:26.173 I just felt, particularly in that first half where the 0:04:26.213 --> 0:04:30.573 Italians were filling the field and defending really well chopped tackles, 0:04:31.693 --> 0:04:34.613 the All Blacks lacked variety and they did score that 0:04:34.653 --> 0:04:38.293 one try with the grubber kick, and it just seems 0:04:38.533 --> 0:04:43.053 a bit lateral, a bit predictable, and they didn't They 0:04:43.093 --> 0:04:45.933 didn't win the physical battle in the collisions, they weren't 0:04:45.973 --> 0:04:48.853 winning the breakdown, and they didn't generate enough go forward 0:04:48.893 --> 0:04:51.653 to allow them to go wide. So they made those 0:04:51.653 --> 0:04:54.973 adjustments after halftime, but against a better team, you want 0:04:54.973 --> 0:04:56.573 them to happen earlier. 0:04:56.613 --> 0:04:59.373 I think I think so too, and I don't think 0:04:59.413 --> 0:05:01.453 they switched. You know, we talk a lot about kicking 0:05:01.493 --> 0:05:03.533 and the All Blacks with the maybe run first or 0:05:03.613 --> 0:05:06.973 keep on hand mentality in the second In the first spel, 0:05:07.053 --> 0:05:09.213 that was crying out for some tactical kicking to try 0:05:09.253 --> 0:05:11.693 and put Italy on the back foot and disrupt the 0:05:11.693 --> 0:05:14.613 game they wanted to play. That wasn't really forthcoming from 0:05:14.613 --> 0:05:17.213 the All Blacks, and they seem to trust or believe 0:05:17.293 --> 0:05:19.733 that the smithod was going to work. And I suppose 0:05:20.293 --> 0:05:22.933 after halftime it did work, but I would have liked 0:05:22.973 --> 0:05:23.933 to see perhaps a. 0:05:23.853 --> 0:05:24.573 Bit more kicking. 0:05:25.293 --> 0:05:27.333 You know. Kicking sort of been painted as the evil 0:05:27.453 --> 0:05:30.133 art over the last few weeks, but I think there's 0:05:30.133 --> 0:05:32.133 still a room for it in a game plan and 0:05:32.333 --> 0:05:34.493 probably could have been unleashed in that first forty. 0:05:34.893 --> 0:05:37.253 Yeah, just when you're not getting that pay that go forwards, 0:05:37.413 --> 0:05:41.013 and maybe that speaks to the lack of dominant ball 0:05:41.053 --> 0:05:44.613 carriers that were that are in that All Black pack. Potentially, 0:05:44.653 --> 0:05:48.653 I think the All Blacks miss Peter Laco he was 0:05:48.693 --> 0:05:50.693 one of their better performers. I felt in the Test 0:05:50.773 --> 0:05:53.653 against France. He's not a massive guy, but his ball 0:05:53.653 --> 0:05:57.013 carrying is one of his real strengths. I thought Wallace 0:05:57.053 --> 0:06:00.293 a Titi had probably his worst test for the All Blacks, 0:06:00.933 --> 0:06:05.413 dropped a lot of pill and so yeah, that that 0:06:05.573 --> 0:06:08.413 twenty minute period after halftime, the All Blacks did make 0:06:08.493 --> 0:06:12.493 some adjustments, a little bit more tactical kicking, a lot 0:06:12.573 --> 0:06:17.133 more clinical with their skill execution in the first half 0:06:17.173 --> 0:06:19.253 as well. There are a few discipline issues. The scrum 0:06:19.293 --> 0:06:23.613 got pings and look the referee and the pedantic performance 0:06:23.813 --> 0:06:28.093 of the overarching TMO didn't help the nature of the spectacle. 0:06:28.653 --> 0:06:30.773 But they didn't get that quick ruck speed that they 0:06:30.853 --> 0:06:36.013 had in christ Church until the second half, and that's 0:06:36.053 --> 0:06:39.413 why I think you saw passes flying out over the 0:06:39.453 --> 0:06:43.253 touch line and a lot of inaccuracy because they were 0:06:43.253 --> 0:06:45.253 playing with men in their faces and they struggled to 0:06:45.293 --> 0:06:47.133 combat their Italian line speed. 0:06:47.253 --> 0:06:50.293 Yeah, Italy clearly worked out the way that the All 0:06:50.293 --> 0:06:53.893 Blacks were going to attack and from Italy side that 0:06:54.293 --> 0:06:57.813 I thought was really poor against Japan. You know, Dave 0:06:57.853 --> 0:06:59.533 Renny put it down to the heat on Thursday. Maybe 0:06:59.533 --> 0:07:02.093 that was a factor because they were a lot lot 0:07:02.133 --> 0:07:04.493 better though it was similar to the six nation side 0:07:04.493 --> 0:07:06.973 that we saw earlier in the year and perhaps with 0:07:07.053 --> 0:07:09.213 a little bit more class and claw in that first spell. 0:07:09.293 --> 0:07:11.333 They may have even been in front at halftime, but 0:07:11.373 --> 0:07:13.573 it wasn't to be. But I think they can probably 0:07:13.573 --> 0:07:16.013 hold their heads high a little bit from the way 0:07:16.013 --> 0:07:18.453 that the All Blacks or they put the pressure on 0:07:18.533 --> 0:07:20.893 the All Blacks, especially for the first forty or so 0:07:21.013 --> 0:07:24.093 minutes of the game. If you're an opposition team though, 0:07:24.733 --> 0:07:27.293 and say Ireland were watching that, the win watching that 0:07:27.333 --> 0:07:29.173 because they're about to play. But what would they have 0:07:29.253 --> 0:07:31.293 taken out is they prepare to play the All Blacks 0:07:31.333 --> 0:07:31.773 this week. 0:07:32.613 --> 0:07:35.133 I think the All Blacks attacking blueprints clear and if 0:07:35.173 --> 0:07:36.773 you can bring a bit of line speed, if you 0:07:36.773 --> 0:07:38.173 can put a bit of pressure on, if you can 0:07:38.213 --> 0:07:41.013 deny the All Blacks at quick ruck speed that go forward, 0:07:41.853 --> 0:07:44.973 then you frustrate them. So I think you'd be trying 0:07:44.973 --> 0:07:46.973 to do that. I think you'd still target the All 0:07:46.973 --> 0:07:50.453 Blacks in the air. There wasn't a huge amount of that, 0:07:50.613 --> 0:07:53.253 but the high ball the All Blacks the receiver are 0:07:53.253 --> 0:07:56.573 remember McKenzie dropping one, So I think Islam will still 0:07:56.893 --> 0:08:00.693 come for the all blacks in that department. And then look, 0:08:00.813 --> 0:08:03.373 you have to be aware of the all blacks streats, 0:08:03.373 --> 0:08:05.453 don't you, because when they do get it right, like 0:08:05.493 --> 0:08:08.733 you say, they are lethal. And we saw that with 0:08:08.813 --> 0:08:12.453 Will Jordan. Yeah, three tries, three tries record break in 0:08:12.493 --> 0:08:16.933 the evening and that really did happen in a flash. 0:08:16.493 --> 0:08:18.253 It did, and he had one of the first spell 0:08:18.293 --> 0:08:21.533 and then two bang bang very quickly to take the record. 0:08:21.693 --> 0:08:24.693 And you know, fifty tries as a phenomenal feat in 0:08:24.973 --> 0:08:25.573 test rug be. 0:08:25.773 --> 0:08:28.053 In fifty six tests, yeah, really is. 0:08:28.093 --> 0:08:31.733 He's not the highest New Zealand all time scorer, you know, 0:08:31.733 --> 0:08:33.453 a lot more days when those games were you know, 0:08:33.493 --> 0:08:35.893 the tour matches, various things, but to do it in 0:08:35.893 --> 0:08:38.853 test matches is quite the achievement. And look there are 0:08:38.893 --> 0:08:42.013 a club of six others that have reached fifty tries 0:08:42.093 --> 0:08:44.853 at tess Levely, obviously past Starkala who was an exceptional 0:08:45.253 --> 0:08:48.533 winger in his day as well. And you know, I 0:08:48.573 --> 0:08:52.173 think the record's sixty nine, so what twenty water catch 0:08:52.213 --> 0:08:54.173 and you wouldn't put it past him at this point. 0:08:54.173 --> 0:08:56.813 The strike right that he's got, as you said, and 0:08:57.013 --> 0:08:59.933 you know he's twenty eight now, you know, i'd think 0:08:59.973 --> 0:09:03.013 probably in the second third of his career, probably at 0:09:03.053 --> 0:09:05.173 this point in time. But he just showed his because 0:09:05.253 --> 0:09:07.573 quality and this moved back to the right wing over 0:09:07.613 --> 0:09:09.173 the last couple of you know, a lot of talk 0:09:09.173 --> 0:09:12.053 around whether he should play fullback or right wing. Five 0:09:12.173 --> 0:09:15.133 tries two weeks from the right wing just shows how 0:09:15.213 --> 0:09:18.173 lethal he is on the edge, but he also pops up. 0:09:18.133 --> 0:09:20.653 Around the park. These aren't just falling over the line 0:09:20.653 --> 0:09:21.253 for the tries. 0:09:21.533 --> 0:09:24.573 This is you know, Will Jordan having to go to 0:09:24.653 --> 0:09:27.813 work and set things up, and his acceleration I think 0:09:27.893 --> 0:09:29.173 is a second to none, and Will. 0:09:29.093 --> 0:09:34.173 Rugby acceleration anticipation I for a gap. You just think 0:09:34.213 --> 0:09:37.853 of the many moments we've seen him from sithing through 0:09:38.173 --> 0:09:42.213 on this occasion, I think he should be giving Josh 0:09:42.253 --> 0:09:45.493 Morby a birthday present because I felt Morby was a 0:09:45.533 --> 0:09:49.093 real game changer. He came on about thirty five minutes 0:09:49.133 --> 0:09:52.013 into that match when Lee Occarter departed. Sounds like an 0:09:52.093 --> 0:09:55.613 ac shoulder, which doesn't sound good for Lee. Ricarter had 0:09:55.613 --> 0:09:59.213 a disrupted year, but Morby, for me, on debut, rarely 0:09:59.213 --> 0:10:02.013 sees his chance. He was one of the best on display, 0:10:02.093 --> 0:10:07.933 I felt, and he really brought similar qualities to Jordan. Pace, anticipation, 0:10:09.133 --> 0:10:13.893 scything through on the edge, highly involved and certainly helped 0:10:13.973 --> 0:10:15.213 Jordan break that record. 0:10:14.933 --> 0:10:18.093 He did, and I think his time that he spent 0:10:18.133 --> 0:10:21.213 at fullback and will Jordan's the same, it does help 0:10:21.253 --> 0:10:24.813 them and seeing just the different ways that defenses operate 0:10:24.853 --> 0:10:27.693 where those gaps might be on the park, we'll be 0:10:28.213 --> 0:10:30.813 having to slot in on the left wing, which is 0:10:30.813 --> 0:10:32.853 probably a little bit unfamiliar for him, but you wouldn't 0:10:32.853 --> 0:10:33.293 have really known. 0:10:33.493 --> 0:10:34.573 I thought he was. 0:10:34.653 --> 0:10:37.133 Really really good. It's a remarkable story, isn't it. Given 0:10:37.173 --> 0:10:41.373 he went to France and was seemingly lost to New 0:10:41.453 --> 0:10:44.533 Zealand rugby, comes back and now on his day, on 0:10:44.573 --> 0:10:47.373 his birthday, makes his debut for the All Blacks. Has 0:10:47.413 --> 0:10:48.333 really put his hand up. 0:10:48.493 --> 0:10:50.653 We could almost categorize him as a journeyman. He played 0:10:50.693 --> 0:10:54.453 for Southland, Northland, the Hurricanes, that seemed like as a 0:10:54.493 --> 0:10:56.893 newer New Zealand career was over when he went to France. 0:10:56.933 --> 0:10:59.013 He cut that deal one year short to come back, 0:10:59.413 --> 0:11:02.533 had a breakout season with the Canes and even before 0:11:02.533 --> 0:11:05.413 he departed he did look to have those qualities but 0:11:06.213 --> 0:11:08.213 to do it this year in a championship winning squad 0:11:08.413 --> 0:11:13.413 and then to make your debut in that fashion, I 0:11:13.453 --> 0:11:17.013 think it was a real statement performance. 0:11:17.053 --> 0:11:20.173 It was, and look when he came back, it was like, Okay, 0:11:20.173 --> 0:11:22.293 that's a good pickup for the Hurricanes, but no one's 0:11:22.333 --> 0:11:25.053 thinking international level. This isn't a boost for the All Blacks. 0:11:25.053 --> 0:11:27.973 But it speaks to his ability this year and the 0:11:27.973 --> 0:11:31.213 way that he played that he was deserving opportunity and 0:11:31.253 --> 0:11:33.253 I thought took it as well. Anton Signa, I thought 0:11:33.293 --> 0:11:35.253 really added something when he came on at halftime with 0:11:35.853 --> 0:11:38.853 Luke Jacobson having a carf Nigol as well. He's not 0:11:38.853 --> 0:11:40.973 the biggest player on the park. I know he's had 0:11:41.013 --> 0:11:43.573 a little bit of size, but he's just got tenacity. 0:11:43.573 --> 0:11:46.213 He's got fight in them and he gets over the 0:11:46.213 --> 0:11:49.813 game line with a lot of his carries. He's always active, 0:11:49.853 --> 0:11:52.733 always involved in the game. And yeah, I think we'll 0:11:52.733 --> 0:11:55.013 see a lot more of Anton Signa in a Black jersey. 0:11:55.133 --> 0:11:57.813 It was nice to see him get an extended period 0:11:57.813 --> 0:12:00.173 of time rather than ten minutes at the end. Came on, 0:12:00.293 --> 0:12:03.093 like you said, straight after the break and look he 0:12:03.133 --> 0:12:06.933 at his parents, his brother and brothers and Leicester Fengenoku, 0:12:07.493 --> 0:12:10.293 who was his roommate at Nelson College when he came out, 0:12:10.373 --> 0:12:13.253 and he's on as a teenager from Germany, so very 0:12:13.293 --> 0:12:15.373 special night for him, and I agree, I think we'll 0:12:15.373 --> 0:12:18.173 see a lot more of him, I thought, Sam Dowry 0:12:18.253 --> 0:12:22.173 and Ethan the group was shown again for the All Blacks. 0:12:23.493 --> 0:12:28.253 Billy Proctor not his best test, missed that telling tackle 0:12:28.413 --> 0:12:31.733 on Menoncello early and there was one other pass which 0:12:31.773 --> 0:12:36.533 didn't stick. So yet to make that step up to 0:12:36.573 --> 0:12:40.133 test rugby, I think, and that center Jersey is probably 0:12:40.253 --> 0:12:42.213 quintupires to lose at this point in time. 0:12:42.333 --> 0:12:42.933 Yeah, I think. 0:12:42.933 --> 0:12:45.893 I said on Thursday, I'm not convinced that Quint to 0:12:45.933 --> 0:12:48.973 Pyre is a Test level thirteen, but jury's probably out 0:12:49.013 --> 0:12:51.653 on Billy Procter being at Test level thirteen as well. 0:12:51.853 --> 0:12:53.733 Just didn't quite click frohim. I think he threw that 0:12:53.773 --> 0:12:57.373 pass that went over the touch line from memory in 0:12:57.453 --> 0:12:59.893 the first spell it was. It was a clunky night, 0:12:59.893 --> 0:13:02.613 I thought from Billy Proctor. The thing about Billy Procter 0:13:02.693 --> 0:13:05.813 is he's always active in the game and even when 0:13:05.813 --> 0:13:07.893 he perhaps isn't playing well, he's got a lot of 0:13:07.893 --> 0:13:10.693 involved in It makes a lot of tackles. He's very 0:13:10.773 --> 0:13:13.653 very good defensively apart from that obviously obviously look but 0:13:13.693 --> 0:13:17.253 even when he's falling off tackles, it doesn't seem to 0:13:17.293 --> 0:13:19.413 bother him. He gets back in the game very very quickly, 0:13:19.413 --> 0:13:21.293 and I think that'll hold him in good Steed and 0:13:21.413 --> 0:13:23.733 David and he's All Blacks with that that biggest philosophy 0:13:24.453 --> 0:13:26.893 back in game go again. But again we're just not 0:13:26.933 --> 0:13:29.133 seeing that the quality of what we've seen at super 0:13:29.213 --> 0:13:31.813 rugby level for a few seasons now, of what he 0:13:31.853 --> 0:13:33.733 is capable of. So I think you'd probably look this 0:13:33.773 --> 0:13:35.893 week to go Quinta Pie comes back to thirteen. 0:13:36.053 --> 0:13:39.813 Yeah, I think so. But I agree that thirteen and 0:13:39.933 --> 0:13:43.733 six still remain very contestable positions for the All Blacks. 0:13:43.733 --> 0:13:47.493 And that's probably been true for at least a year 0:13:47.613 --> 0:13:48.253 or two now. 0:13:48.133 --> 0:13:50.053 It is, and no one's has managed to lock it down, 0:13:51.053 --> 0:13:53.693 you know, probably get onto some team stuff in a 0:13:53.733 --> 0:13:55.413 moment or two round with the changes they might make 0:13:55.453 --> 0:14:00.453 for Ireland. But I think we've seen some players really outshone, 0:14:01.453 --> 0:14:03.213 you know that perhaps the other contenders in the Jersey, 0:14:03.293 --> 0:14:05.333 you know, Luke Jacobson is a shame. It was gonna 0:14:05.333 --> 0:14:06.933 be so Anton Signia for forty minutes. But it was 0:14:06.973 --> 0:14:09.413 also shame we didn't see Luke J. Gibson kick on 0:14:09.493 --> 0:14:10.973 for a bit more in that game, because I thought 0:14:11.013 --> 0:14:13.413 he had another pretty good opening forty minutes. I think 0:14:13.413 --> 0:14:14.773 he might have been pinged once, but. 0:14:15.133 --> 0:14:16.373 He was one of the all blacks bests in that 0:14:16.373 --> 0:14:16.733 first time. 0:14:16.813 --> 0:14:18.693 Yeah, I was really impressed by what he did. A 0:14:18.733 --> 0:14:20.933 lot of he made a couple of line breaks or 0:14:20.933 --> 0:14:24.533 half break opportunities, so I really liked what he did 0:14:25.373 --> 0:14:28.853 and is seemingly slotting and really nicely to that Dave 0:14:28.973 --> 0:14:34.653 any system. Rubin Love at ten second testing probably didn't 0:14:34.693 --> 0:14:37.373 shine too much, almost got yellow carded or did briefly. 0:14:39.533 --> 0:14:41.413 What did you make of rubin Love's second test at ten? 0:14:42.093 --> 0:14:47.093 I wouldn't say it was authoritative, didn't notice him a 0:14:47.133 --> 0:14:50.733 great deal. I think I think he can probably take 0:14:50.773 --> 0:14:53.853 a wee bit more control of the match. But I 0:14:53.893 --> 0:14:55.613 wouldn't say he was playing off the back foot. But 0:14:55.653 --> 0:14:58.173 he certainly certainly went on the front foot. And they 0:14:58.173 --> 0:15:01.653 didn't have that speed, that pace, that same tempo that 0:15:01.693 --> 0:15:05.613 they enjoyed and Christ it so a learning experience for him, 0:15:05.653 --> 0:15:12.973 but I think it wasn't a step forward on what 0:15:13.093 --> 0:15:14.973 we saw the previous week. You know, I think about 0:15:15.053 --> 0:15:17.613 him challenging the line at least a couple of times 0:15:17.653 --> 0:15:20.213 in christ Church and siding through and putting others away. 0:15:20.893 --> 0:15:22.533 There wasn't a great deal o that was there. 0:15:22.773 --> 0:15:23.413 No, there wasn't. 0:15:24.413 --> 0:15:26.493 I think he had that nice fifty to twenty two 0:15:27.973 --> 0:15:31.573 during the second spell. I thought he in the first 0:15:31.773 --> 0:15:33.973 game against Ransie didn't overplay his hand. I think this 0:15:34.053 --> 0:15:36.453 time maybe he underplayed his hand a little bit. And 0:15:36.493 --> 0:15:38.213 it's a fine balance I think for a ten at 0:15:38.253 --> 0:15:41.893 Test level, especially in U ten, to get that sense 0:15:41.933 --> 0:15:45.013 of managing the game. And perhaps that was a trickier 0:15:45.053 --> 0:15:48.613 game to manage given some of the disruptions and various 0:15:48.613 --> 0:15:50.813 other things. But I don't know if Yeah, Similarly, I 0:15:50.813 --> 0:15:52.013 don't know if it was a step forward. I don't 0:15:52.013 --> 0:15:53.373 know if it was a step backwards either. I thought 0:15:53.373 --> 0:15:56.693 it was just a fine performance that without rate going 0:15:56.693 --> 0:16:00.693 to any great heights. So we have Bill Blacks two 0:16:00.733 --> 0:16:03.613 from two now. Just a final thought on that game. 0:16:03.813 --> 0:16:06.773 I'm not sure if you got anything else, but the 0:16:06.813 --> 0:16:10.613 referrering I thought was one of the worst referring performances 0:16:10.653 --> 0:16:13.253 I've seen in a Test matchup that he completely lost 0:16:13.293 --> 0:16:14.973 control of that game in the last twenty minutes or so. 0:16:15.093 --> 0:16:16.893 Luke Ramos it was the first time he refereed to 0:16:16.893 --> 0:16:19.773 the All Blacks, second time referred Italy after controlling their 0:16:19.813 --> 0:16:23.173 Six Nations game against England earlier in the year. He 0:16:23.413 --> 0:16:25.973 is the boss on the field, not the TMO in 0:16:25.973 --> 0:16:28.213 the box. And this is the continuing problem in world 0:16:28.293 --> 0:16:31.213 rugby is that some bloke with a whole bunch of 0:16:31.213 --> 0:16:34.013 feeds gets to choose when to interrupt the game and 0:16:34.213 --> 0:16:36.693 Ben Whitehouse of Wales was the latest to do that 0:16:36.853 --> 0:16:39.213 and it has just become a blight on the game. 0:16:39.253 --> 0:16:42.213 It was the same in Australia, France, same in Japan, Ireland. 0:16:42.413 --> 0:16:45.093 These blokes interrupts. It's awful when they interrupt, but it's 0:16:45.133 --> 0:16:47.973 even worse when they get things wrong. And when they 0:16:48.133 --> 0:16:51.413 intervened on that Leroy Carter, Will Jordan try in the 0:16:51.453 --> 0:16:53.293 first spell incorrectly? 0:16:53.613 --> 0:16:54.573 What are you doing? Man? 0:16:55.853 --> 0:16:58.093 I just I It does my headden and I've spoken 0:16:58.133 --> 0:17:00.173 a million times. The people are probably second on the podcast, 0:17:00.373 --> 0:17:02.333 but we have to get rid of the TMO. I'm sorry. 0:17:02.493 --> 0:17:03.973 If you're not gonna get rid of it, it's try, 0:17:04.013 --> 0:17:07.373 no try or ex of foul play. It's just it's 0:17:07.453 --> 0:17:08.093 beyond a joke. 0:17:08.133 --> 0:17:12.173 Now, yeah, well this was absurd, just the level of interference, 0:17:12.853 --> 0:17:17.493 unnecessary interference. I'm with you to a point. I think 0:17:17.933 --> 0:17:22.493 it's needed for the Howler and World Rugby are meant 0:17:22.533 --> 0:17:25.493 to be taking it off site to an NRL bunker 0:17:25.533 --> 0:17:28.213 type situation, and you can only hope that's going to 0:17:28.293 --> 0:17:31.493 minimize the influence because this was a blight on the spectacle. 0:17:31.493 --> 0:17:35.133 It was already stop start and French refs, unfortunately do 0:17:35.253 --> 0:17:36.853 tend to be that way and the All Blacks seem 0:17:36.933 --> 0:17:44.253 to get these inexperienced refs quite often. But between the 0:17:44.253 --> 0:17:48.013 French ref and the TMO, it really did have a 0:17:48.053 --> 0:17:53.893 massive impact on the nature of that contest. So look, look, 0:17:55.533 --> 0:17:59.453 and the frustration is that Super Rugby's got this right 0:18:00.493 --> 0:18:03.333 and then you go to the elite part of rugby 0:18:03.533 --> 0:18:08.253 and it becomes a face. So it needs to be sorted. 0:18:08.613 --> 0:18:08.973 It does. 0:18:09.253 --> 0:18:11.333 I don't think would Rugby have any idea how to sort. 0:18:11.373 --> 0:18:13.213 I think that's the problem is that they have washed 0:18:13.213 --> 0:18:18.333 their hands of this because they've gone too far and 0:18:18.373 --> 0:18:19.693 they don't have to reel it back in, and they 0:18:19.693 --> 0:18:21.213 don't seem to have any interest in reeling it back 0:18:21.253 --> 0:18:24.613 in and they've appointed referee failed referees by and large, 0:18:24.693 --> 0:18:26.933 or people that have never refereed a rugby game to 0:18:26.973 --> 0:18:28.333 go sit in a box and watch a bunch of 0:18:28.333 --> 0:18:30.573 feeds in intervene, like when was the last time you 0:18:30.613 --> 0:18:32.773 saw Ben white House referee game? When was the last 0:18:32.773 --> 0:18:36.173 time you saw Murray's read vistas and referee game Bret Cohner. 0:18:36.253 --> 0:18:38.973 These blokes are full time tmos and yeah, it's a 0:18:38.973 --> 0:18:41.053 specialist skill because you've got to watch a lot of feeds. 0:18:41.253 --> 0:18:44.213 But they, you know, in terms of their actual involvement 0:18:44.253 --> 0:18:45.773 in a game, they don't have the feel for it. 0:18:45.773 --> 0:18:47.213 I don't think Luke Ramos had the field for it 0:18:47.293 --> 0:18:50.453 last night either, But these blokes don't know so rain toever, 0:18:51.733 --> 0:18:56.373 it just winds me up, and the sooner it changes, 0:18:56.533 --> 0:19:00.173 the better. Let's talk about potential All Blacks changes for 0:19:00.573 --> 0:19:06.093 the game against Ireland at Eden Park. I guess there's 0:19:06.093 --> 0:19:07.893 a few players that set out the game on the 0:19:07.893 --> 0:19:10.093 WEEKI and for a week the way through. Though. 0:19:11.133 --> 0:19:12.733 You know Cody Taylor will start at hooker. 0:19:12.773 --> 0:19:18.453 I presume props Ethan de Groot, Fletcher Yule humidly comes 0:19:18.493 --> 0:19:20.093 back into sight head. 0:19:20.493 --> 0:19:25.493 Yeah, potentially either way around. I think Tywer Olomax will 0:19:25.493 --> 0:19:29.653 be involved. Locks you would think Patrick Twoplo two will 0:19:29.693 --> 0:19:31.773 come back into the mix, but probably not in a 0:19:32.213 --> 0:19:35.093 starting capacity. Sam Dari's played really well to provide. That 0:19:35.213 --> 0:19:39.813 was his first match back the loose four composition. Peter 0:19:39.933 --> 0:19:42.013 Luckey's got to start for me somewhere. 0:19:41.773 --> 0:19:44.133 I think so. Yeah, he just had as a lot 0:19:44.173 --> 0:19:46.893 and I think it was notably missed last night. It 0:19:46.933 --> 0:19:49.293 wasn't helped by w was TD having a poor game, 0:19:50.173 --> 0:19:53.453 Luke Jacobson, Carf Nickel. It didn't sound serious. We'll probably 0:19:53.453 --> 0:19:55.533 find a little bit more about it on Monday, but 0:19:57.693 --> 0:20:01.173 you could change things around a little bit there. I guess, Look, 0:20:01.173 --> 0:20:03.373 if Jacobson's fail, I'm starting him again, but maybe you 0:20:03.373 --> 0:20:04.613 look at a signet. If he's not fit. 0:20:05.373 --> 0:20:09.253