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Speaker 1: Somebody looking into the maray ward billers come back and

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Speaker 1: said get on with it. Basically, we go back to

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Speaker 1: what we had. It'll return binding community polls triggered by

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Speaker 1: a petition of five percent of eligible voters also require

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Speaker 1: compulsory polls on any mari wards created since the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one changes to run us alongside next year's council elections.

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Speaker 1: Now the timorary mayor Nigel bowenes with us. Nigel Mourning,

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Speaker 1: good morning. A lot of upset around this law and

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Speaker 1: the change of the law. A lot of mayors signed letters.

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Speaker 1: You weren't one of them? Why not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My personal view Mike is that you know we

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Speaker 2: are possible. If we're wanting to make changes to democracy,

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Speaker 2: should actually sit with the people. So I actually find

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Speaker 2: it strange that you know Meyas were so keen to

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Speaker 2: sign the letter, because I think if you can have

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Speaker 2: changes sitting with the people, then that would make sense.

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Speaker 2: We get elected by the people, so why are we

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Speaker 2: afraid for the people to make the decision?

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with or would your counsel agree with you?

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Speaker 2: I would say we're probably an eighty twenty would agree

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Speaker 2: with me, but we haven't actually hit a discussion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not democratic though, is it? Because I mean,

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Speaker 1: these things never canvassed on the election campaign and suddenly

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Speaker 1: a council turns up together and goes, by the way,

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Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do, and there's no comeback

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Speaker 1: for the punter on that.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly, Look and it doesn't take It doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that ELCTI members can't have a strong view and if

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Speaker 2: they want to support the public and having a referendum

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Speaker 2: and putting those points across and the reasons poor, they

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Speaker 2: can do that and they can lead the charge. So

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Speaker 2: you know, but that's just outside of the election. So

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Speaker 2: if you want to to your point, if you want

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Speaker 2: to campaign on it, do so that'd be transparent.

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Speaker 1: But here's the ultimate campaigning policy, and that's a thing

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Speaker 1: called democracy. If you're a Maori and you want to stand,

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Speaker 1: you can and if you get enough votes, you are elected.

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Speaker 1: And that's always been the rule and that's the way

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Speaker 1: we should be running the country basically, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Nigel, appreciate it. Nigel Barne, who's the

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Speaker 1: timaru me thirteen minutes past seven for.

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