WEBVTT - 11 March 2025: Are second string Black Caps sides the new normal for home series? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.733 --> 0:00:20.253 Welcome to Sportsfix, your daily dose of sport. 0:00:22.053 --> 0:00:26.093 Welcome on in to the Sports Fix. It is a Tuesday. 0:00:26.253 --> 0:00:28.853 It's the eleventh of March twenty twenty five. Minum is 0:00:28.893 --> 0:00:33.693 Darcy Waldergrave and coming up in this podcast, we're going 0:00:33.733 --> 0:00:37.013 to talk with a man called Wells. Sam Wells, he 0:00:37.173 --> 0:00:40.853 selector for the black Caps, talk around not only the 0:00:40.933 --> 0:00:43.053 team that has been picked for the squad that has 0:00:43.093 --> 0:00:46.133 been picked for the upcoming five match T twenty ice 0:00:46.133 --> 0:00:50.533 series against Pakistan, but the nature of selection with central 0:00:50.693 --> 0:00:55.213 contracts and where that sits. Will be joined by Klay Wilson, 0:00:55.253 --> 0:00:58.373 sports news director for News Talk SeeDB and the Chamber 0:00:58.693 --> 0:01:02.093 as we discuss that and the Warriors and the cry 0:01:02.253 --> 0:01:05.813 to be patient with the halves and I've got some 0:01:05.893 --> 0:01:10.053 opinion well on exactly that that's what we plan to do, 0:01:10.493 --> 0:01:14.653 so let's get busy and do it. In other news 0:01:17.053 --> 0:01:21.213 Ford Trophy winning tweaking at cantab Each, Sody is back 0:01:21.453 --> 0:01:24.373 in a Black Cap. A number of first choice players 0:01:24.413 --> 0:01:28.333 will flee to the BCCI's bank Withdraw branch which makes 0:01:28.413 --> 0:01:31.493 way for some of the older players and newer ones 0:01:31.533 --> 0:01:35.253 as well. He is super keen to inhale the unmistakable 0:01:35.333 --> 0:01:40.093 stench of an international changing shed again because yeah, it's 0:01:40.093 --> 0:01:42.733 great to be back. It's very exciting to sort of 0:01:42.733 --> 0:01:44.453 share the dressing room with the boys again. 0:01:44.493 --> 0:01:46.733 And Michael brace Will was captain who someone I look 0:01:46.773 --> 0:01:47.693 up to, Verry Fonny. 0:01:47.493 --> 0:01:52.693 Too Auckland Tatata GM Dale Barge appreciates the trouble facing 0:01:52.773 --> 0:01:56.973 the new Indian NBL side the Panthers. The fledsing basketball 0:01:57.013 --> 0:02:00.493 franchise is without their full roster for the first three 0:02:00.573 --> 0:02:04.973 weeks of the NBL International Asia Cup qualifying. Commitments and 0:02:05.013 --> 0:02:09.533 some visa dramas have left the club scrambling ringings. 0:02:09.293 --> 0:02:11.413 Leaves them in the lurch, leaves all of us having 0:02:11.493 --> 0:02:14.653 to scratch around and find other solutions and sympathize with 0:02:14.693 --> 0:02:19.173 everyone involve the league, broadcasters, the team itself, from the 0:02:19.213 --> 0:02:20.893 Panthers that are working hard. 0:02:21.053 --> 0:02:25.093 And bulldogs at GM and mister NRL everything. Feil Gold 0:02:25.453 --> 0:02:29.053 doesn't care about Dylan Brown's contract length, all the fountain 0:02:29.093 --> 0:02:32.213 of cash he'll be drenched with. It's whether or not 0:02:32.293 --> 0:02:36.093 the Eels half has what's required I'm not that worried 0:02:36.093 --> 0:02:37.653 about the money, and I'm not that worried about the 0:02:37.693 --> 0:02:39.413 ten years either, because I think they're getting him in 0:02:39.413 --> 0:02:42.413 the primary career. Is he the right player at the moment. 0:02:42.453 --> 0:02:44.173 There are things he's got to do to his game 0:02:44.413 --> 0:02:45.893 to get to that position. I feel. 0:02:47.053 --> 0:02:51.453 This is Sportsfix, your daily does of sports news powered 0:02:51.453 --> 0:02:52.613 by News Talks EB. 0:02:54.333 --> 0:02:56.453 And it's a warm welcome to the Vixed podcast to 0:02:56.733 --> 0:03:01.173 New Zealand cricket selector Sam Wells. Hi, sam Hi Darcy, 0:03:01.213 --> 0:03:03.613 thanks for having me and thanks very much for joining us. 0:03:03.653 --> 0:03:06.733 So today it was announced that hot on the heels 0:03:06.813 --> 0:03:11.453 of the sad the bridesmaid position at the Champions Trophy. 0:03:12.053 --> 0:03:17.893 But you've got now the upcoming series against the visiting Pakistani's. 0:03:18.533 --> 0:03:22.973 You've named that squad to take them on in five teams. 0:03:24.493 --> 0:03:26.453 I'm just gonna start that over again. What did I say? 0:03:26.533 --> 0:03:27.133 Five teams? 0:03:29.973 --> 0:03:30.173 Team? 0:03:30.413 --> 0:03:32.973 Well, here we go three two one and we're joined 0:03:32.973 --> 0:03:36.813 now by Sam Wells, Black Caps select Good evening, sam 0:03:37.333 --> 0:03:37.893 Hi Darcy. 0:03:37.973 --> 0:03:38.373 How are you? 0:03:38.453 --> 0:03:41.813 Yeah, very very good. Michael Brace will be to perform 0:03:42.013 --> 0:03:45.253 so well in the HECK Champions Trophy final. He gets 0:03:45.333 --> 0:03:48.013 captain the black Caps on home series is a five 0:03:48.333 --> 0:03:52.333 game T twenty I series coming up against Pakistan. A 0:03:52.333 --> 0:03:56.693 lot of considerations in this series and a few players 0:03:57.053 --> 0:03:59.853 back from the outset, which I like to start with that. 0:04:00.333 --> 0:04:02.173 Let's look at some of those guys, the likes of 0:04:02.213 --> 0:04:07.933 ciphered Anisian and Allen. What considerations around their selection considering 0:04:07.933 --> 0:04:10.813 they haven't central contracts. 0:04:11.333 --> 0:04:14.573 Yeah, look, there's a few moving parts, so it all 0:04:14.613 --> 0:04:15.133 I suppose. 0:04:15.293 --> 0:04:16.333 First of all, we've. 0:04:16.173 --> 0:04:19.093 Now gone past the champions Trophy and in the horizon 0:04:19.213 --> 0:04:22.253 is another ICIC pinnacle event being the T twenty World 0:04:22.293 --> 0:04:24.413 Cup in India, which is now less than twelve months away, 0:04:24.733 --> 0:04:27.613 So I focused with the T twenty team shifts to that, 0:04:28.893 --> 0:04:33.333 and we've really focused on having good preparation and built 0:04:33.453 --> 0:04:35.893 up for all of the ICC events and this is 0:04:35.893 --> 0:04:38.853 no different. So we've been in talks with these players 0:04:38.853 --> 0:04:41.773 for the last month or six weeks or so to 0:04:41.813 --> 0:04:46.093 get their commitment for all our twenty fixtures if selected 0:04:46.133 --> 0:04:48.453 for the next year and build up and they've committed 0:04:48.493 --> 0:04:53.413 to that. So while they are centrally contracted, if they've 0:04:53.453 --> 0:04:57.773 committed to the T twenty preparation that we consider as required, 0:04:58.733 --> 0:05:00.693 and we're really pleased to get that and look, these 0:05:00.693 --> 0:05:03.933 guys have really emphasized with us that their priority is 0:05:03.933 --> 0:05:06.453 still playing cricket for New Zealand and that's what they 0:05:06.493 --> 0:05:09.453 want to do. They've come back and all three of 0:05:09.453 --> 0:05:12.013 them have played for trophy and then good performances on 0:05:12.053 --> 0:05:12.373 the board. 0:05:12.533 --> 0:05:14.053 So yeah, look, it's just. 0:05:14.053 --> 0:05:18.293 Working with the players and lining up you know, a 0:05:18.333 --> 0:05:21.693 good preparation and that's really what it's all about. 0:05:21.813 --> 0:05:23.693 So we're really happy where we've landed. 0:05:24.333 --> 0:05:29.173 So basically they've said, if we get BBL contracts or 0:05:29.253 --> 0:05:32.653 South African T twenty contracts, we won't be picking them 0:05:32.733 --> 0:05:36.213 up because they can't, can they if they've committed to 0:05:36.253 --> 0:05:38.853 you and they want to get picked for that World Cup. 0:05:39.653 --> 0:05:42.813 Essentially, yeah, they've said that they'll they'll commit to all 0:05:42.813 --> 0:05:44.893 about T twenty games if selected. 0:05:45.013 --> 0:05:46.013 Look, and it's about. 0:05:45.733 --> 0:05:49.573 Giving them, you know, enough time and communication to work 0:05:49.613 --> 0:05:52.133 through whatever deals they have in place. But essentially, yeah, 0:05:52.293 --> 0:05:54.493 they've committed to all the games that we have. 0:05:54.493 --> 0:05:56.493 Have you got a cut off period for this because 0:05:56.573 --> 0:05:59.493 playing we're talking quite a while away now, I know 0:05:59.573 --> 0:06:02.653 it's within the year, but they said, hey, look, if 0:06:02.653 --> 0:06:04.653 we're not going to be in or near or close 0:06:04.693 --> 0:06:08.573 by November or something, can you let us go. Is 0:06:08.613 --> 0:06:11.053 there anything in the contract or the words there? 0:06:11.093 --> 0:06:15.413 Do you think, Sam, No, Look, there's nothing, there's no 0:06:15.493 --> 0:06:18.173 contract or strict time member. Look, it's just about keeping 0:06:18.253 --> 0:06:20.693 up with the open communications and then players and know 0:06:20.693 --> 0:06:22.933 where they stand. Like there's a number of series between 0:06:22.973 --> 0:06:25.493 now and then, and I guess as more information comes 0:06:25.533 --> 0:06:27.773 to hand and we get closer to nailing down the 0:06:27.773 --> 0:06:29.893 squad and where we think of my land, where we'll 0:06:29.973 --> 0:06:36.173 give those players indications. But yeah, ultimately they've committed to 0:06:36.373 --> 0:06:38.173 that and they said they want to play for New Zealand, 0:06:38.253 --> 0:06:41.013 But playing for New Zealand you've also got to commit 0:06:41.093 --> 0:06:42.853 to some of the preparation to make sure the team's 0:06:42.893 --> 0:06:46.133 in the best position to perform well at these events. 0:06:46.173 --> 0:06:49.093 And I think we saw that with the Champions Trophy squad. 0:06:49.133 --> 0:06:51.653 Having a strong build up in that tri series I 0:06:51.653 --> 0:06:55.413 think really helped. So that's how we're planning to move forward. 0:06:55.813 --> 0:06:59.653 New Zealand Cricket have been very fluid in this space 0:06:59.973 --> 0:07:03.733 and I think it's the most pragmatic way to handle this. 0:07:04.333 --> 0:07:07.813 How does that work from a selection point of view 0:07:07.893 --> 0:07:10.293 when you're dealing with a number of different contracts or 0:07:10.413 --> 0:07:13.013 lack their role is that tricky. 0:07:15.973 --> 0:07:18.173 It's not too tricky, like it's just trying to get 0:07:18.173 --> 0:07:20.813 everyone together and the ground away for But you're right, 0:07:20.853 --> 0:07:22.733 we've got to be a little bit pragmatic that the 0:07:22.733 --> 0:07:25.733 world of cricket is changing. We accept, for example, in 0:07:25.773 --> 0:07:28.053 this window you know, has been accepted for some time 0:07:28.133 --> 0:07:29.893 that players, if they get an IPL. 0:07:29.653 --> 0:07:31.213 Deal, they go go and do that. 0:07:31.693 --> 0:07:35.133 Equally, you know some players are going to make a 0:07:35.173 --> 0:07:38.173 decision to go and not taking New Zealand contract in 0:07:38.213 --> 0:07:41.813 playoffs where because the financial rewards you know, make sense 0:07:41.853 --> 0:07:43.453 for them at that time of their career or whatever 0:07:43.453 --> 0:07:46.213 it is. But if we can find a ground where 0:07:47.333 --> 0:07:51.293 when we're lining up for a particular event, if we're 0:07:51.333 --> 0:07:53.893 satisfied all we can get an appropriate burn up and 0:07:53.893 --> 0:07:56.093 commitment from the players, then I think we'd be silly 0:07:56.173 --> 0:07:59.373 to you know, not work with them to try and 0:07:59.413 --> 0:08:01.293 make that work, because it's in the interests of both 0:08:01.293 --> 0:08:02.253 the team and the player. 0:08:02.893 --> 0:08:05.413 So the players that have been selected, and there are 0:08:05.453 --> 0:08:07.773 some I would say outside it's but some people that 0:08:07.853 --> 0:08:10.453 line is close to the core team ast I'm sure 0:08:10.453 --> 0:08:12.973 they'd like to be because they still early in their careers. 0:08:13.253 --> 0:08:16.333 This is all about keeping all of your options open 0:08:16.773 --> 0:08:20.413 in giving players international experience with no promises yet. 0:08:22.373 --> 0:08:26.693 Yeah, I think the way in particularly this particular window 0:08:26.733 --> 0:08:30.453 when the IPPL players are away, we're naturally going to 0:08:30.493 --> 0:08:33.173 have to dig a bit deeper into the depth and 0:08:33.293 --> 0:08:35.813 that presents more opportunities for guys and that's happened for 0:08:35.853 --> 0:08:38.733 some time for a number of years now. So yeah, 0:08:38.773 --> 0:08:42.093 this particular window gives guys chances. But we see where 0:08:42.133 --> 0:08:46.893 guys perform well, then you know they're then pushing their 0:08:46.893 --> 0:08:48.973 place in the main squad. And for example, I think 0:08:49.053 --> 0:08:53.413 Jacob Duffy did that really well when given his opportunities 0:08:53.453 --> 0:08:57.013 recently and with injury, broke his way into the Champions 0:08:57.013 --> 0:09:01.253 Trophy squad. Now he's again here in the T twenty squad. 0:09:01.333 --> 0:09:05.533 So look these when these opportunities presented, if players can 0:09:05.573 --> 0:09:07.853 take them, that they'll find themselves with more opportunities in 0:09:07.853 --> 0:09:08.293 the future. 0:09:09.213 --> 0:09:11.933 In the case of Kin Williamson, Samuels joins us SO 0:09:12.013 --> 0:09:15.453 and he's in Cricket select said he's unavailable. Where does 0:09:15.533 --> 0:09:19.573 he sit in the profile over the next year around 0:09:19.773 --> 0:09:23.373 his commitments or even conversations have had with him about 0:09:23.373 --> 0:09:25.573 where he would like to be because I'm sure if 0:09:25.573 --> 0:09:28.373 he's available and fit. He'll pick him in an instant, 0:09:28.373 --> 0:09:31.133 won't you. So one of those conversations being like Sam. 0:09:31.733 --> 0:09:34.853 Yeah, look, Kane's a bit of a series by series 0:09:34.893 --> 0:09:37.413 at the moment and this is just one of the 0:09:37.453 --> 0:09:40.253 ones where he's had a big workload, been away overseas 0:09:40.253 --> 0:09:42.453 for a couple of months now, when we're just managing 0:09:42.533 --> 0:09:46.213 him series by series, and those are obviously decisions he 0:09:46.213 --> 0:09:50.453 will make. If kin you wants to play, he'll obviously 0:09:50.493 --> 0:09:53.373 coming too serious consideration and so look we'll just had 0:09:53.373 --> 0:09:54.893 to play that by you and see how he is 0:09:55.013 --> 0:09:58.173 going moving forward. But he's still playing a bit of 0:09:58.333 --> 0:10:02.133 franchise T twenty cricket around and I'm. 0:10:01.933 --> 0:10:03.573 Sure he'll still in a while. 0:10:03.613 --> 0:10:05.453 I hope he still wants to play for New Zealand 0:10:05.453 --> 0:10:07.853 moving forward, but it's he's just at that stage of 0:10:07.893 --> 0:10:11.173 the career he's picking and choosing a bit to managers workload. 0:10:11.173 --> 0:10:13.093 But we'll just have to see how that goes moving forward. 0:10:13.413 --> 0:10:15.973 But in turn, they he will have to be available 0:10:16.013 --> 0:10:18.893 for what India and Afghanistan, those two series in the 0:10:19.053 --> 0:10:21.413 lead up to the T twenty I World Cup next year. 0:10:21.573 --> 0:10:24.533 Yeah, that's on cricket's position at the stage. 0:10:24.173 --> 0:10:26.693 Well love the fact that New Selling Cricket have proven 0:10:26.773 --> 0:10:29.373 in actions that they are very fluid and understand that 0:10:29.413 --> 0:10:33.493 cricket is changing fast. Almost with every season there's something new. 0:10:33.893 --> 0:10:36.093 Looks like you guys are dealing with the best you 0:10:36.213 --> 0:10:39.173 can and I'm wishing you the best going forward, looking 0:10:39.213 --> 0:10:40.893 forward to this new series and some of these new 0:10:40.893 --> 0:10:44.053 guys coming through newsh guys coming through Sam Wells selected 0:10:44.053 --> 0:10:46.733 forty Selling Cricket. Again, thanks very much for your time, 0:10:47.213 --> 0:10:53.173 Jeez Darcy. The Wires have started their season in an 0:10:53.253 --> 0:10:57.333 underwhelming fashion, which is no surprise to Warriors fans. As 0:10:57.373 --> 0:10:59.613 I've said once, as I've said twice, as I'll keep 0:10:59.613 --> 0:11:02.733 on saying, I wouldn't be surprised if in my lifetime 0:11:02.733 --> 0:11:06.373 the Warriors don't win the trophy of two blokes hugging. 0:11:06.853 --> 0:11:09.853 I don't support them because I believe they're going to win. 0:11:10.293 --> 0:11:13.573 I support them because for thirty years I've been following 0:11:13.573 --> 0:11:17.693 them through thick. For thirty years, I've been following them 0:11:17.733 --> 0:11:20.333 through thick and thin, quite a lot of thin. To 0:11:20.373 --> 0:11:22.973 be fair, I'm a fan of the team, I'm a 0:11:23.013 --> 0:11:26.013 fan of the NRL and I love to see the 0:11:26.013 --> 0:11:31.053 boys competing. But that's the issue this time around competing. 0:11:31.933 --> 0:11:36.653 Andrew Webster, the club's coach, has pleaded with the fans 0:11:37.133 --> 0:11:40.693 to be patient when it comes to the Warriors. They 0:11:40.733 --> 0:11:45.093 started off poorly in Las Vegas. They can hopefully right 0:11:45.173 --> 0:11:48.813 the wrongs of that ill fated American trip as they 0:11:48.933 --> 0:11:52.453 take to the field to Mount Smart Go Media Stadium 0:11:52.773 --> 0:11:57.133 on Friday night up against Manly. But I won't be patient. 0:11:57.453 --> 0:12:01.293 I'm not interested in patience. You've had an entire off 0:12:01.453 --> 0:12:04.733 season to work out what you're trying to do and 0:12:04.813 --> 0:12:08.293 how you are going to apply those theories to the field. 0:12:09.213 --> 0:12:13.293 What we saw last week underwhelming. I'll use that term again. 0:12:13.893 --> 0:12:16.693 I think there are issues with the halves. I think 0:12:16.733 --> 0:12:19.373 there are issues with decision making, which come back down, 0:12:19.453 --> 0:12:22.213 of course, to the halves. I don't feel that this 0:12:22.333 --> 0:12:27.053 team know who they are what they are attempting to do. Granted, 0:12:27.133 --> 0:12:30.773 it's only week one of the competition for them, Granted 0:12:31.093 --> 0:12:33.053 it's a long long way to go and they're not 0:12:33.133 --> 0:12:36.293 going to win the NRL in the very first week. 0:12:36.533 --> 0:12:40.333 But being told to be patient after what we thought 0:12:40.493 --> 0:12:45.413 was a comprehensive preseason where surely the club, the management 0:12:45.453 --> 0:12:49.093 and the coaching staff have set down their requirements and 0:12:49.213 --> 0:12:52.573 set down their plan over weeks and weeks and weeks 0:12:52.613 --> 0:12:57.373 of practice. I don't think being patient is required. Now 0:12:58.013 --> 0:13:00.093 get on the park and win. 0:13:00.893 --> 0:13:04.613 We're now in session on sportsfx. 0:13:05.173 --> 0:13:07.733 Smat's news director out of news talks there b Claig 0:13:07.813 --> 0:13:10.893 Wilson joins us now in the chamber. Always good to 0:13:10.933 --> 0:13:11.973 have you in here for end. 0:13:13.493 --> 0:13:14.213 Very well, thank you. 0:13:14.333 --> 0:13:16.093 Right, let's talk about the sports stories of the day, 0:13:16.093 --> 0:13:17.973 and I suppose the one that we're all very keen 0:13:18.053 --> 0:13:22.253 on pulling apart black Caps v. Pakistan. This is the 0:13:22.253 --> 0:13:25.373 T twenty ice series coming up. Look, cricket and summer. 0:13:25.413 --> 0:13:28.133 It is summer, right, Well you just told me it's over. 0:13:28.453 --> 0:13:32.053 Well it's kind of autumn summer. But hey, Indian summers, mate, it's. 0:13:31.853 --> 0:13:33.893 Going to go going to go forever reference. 0:13:33.973 --> 0:13:37.853 But we're actually getting we're actually getting home games to 0:13:37.893 --> 0:13:40.293 go and watch. But we're not getting the best of 0:13:40.373 --> 0:13:43.773 the best. We're getting the second tier. Is that a 0:13:43.773 --> 0:13:45.893 fair thing to say, because when you look at cross 0:13:45.893 --> 0:13:48.373 at the squad, they're actually handy cricket players. 0:13:48.453 --> 0:13:48.613 Yeah. 0:13:48.613 --> 0:13:51.093 I mean, just because you call it a second tier 0:13:51.133 --> 0:13:55.693 squad doesn't necessarily mean they're crappy players. They're very, very 0:13:55.773 --> 0:13:58.813 good players. But the reality is a lot of our 0:13:58.853 --> 0:14:01.813 best players are overplaying in the Indian Premier League because 0:14:01.933 --> 0:14:03.613 they are our best players and they got picked to 0:14:03.653 --> 0:14:06.653 play in those teams. They got bought for very handsome 0:14:06.693 --> 0:14:09.533 sums to go and play in that competition. So this 0:14:09.573 --> 0:14:12.253 is a pretty normal thing now around this time of 0:14:12.293 --> 0:14:15.533 the year where we get players that are playing in 0:14:15.573 --> 0:14:17.533 the IPL that are allowed to go and play in 0:14:17.533 --> 0:14:21.533 the IPL now and miss out on certain international series 0:14:21.573 --> 0:14:22.813 that might be happening around this time. 0:14:22.893 --> 0:14:25.533 Well, you say, now, a few years ago, it wasn't 0:14:25.533 --> 0:14:29.293 the case. Remember the Grand Home and the Guptal situation 0:14:29.533 --> 0:14:33.093 where they basically left there was almost it was quite 0:14:33.133 --> 0:14:36.333 a discussion at that time. But now the pragmatism of 0:14:36.373 --> 0:14:40.093 this New Zealand cricket organization has gone, Look, we've just 0:14:40.093 --> 0:14:42.333 got to roll with the punches otherwise we've finished. Right. 0:14:42.453 --> 0:14:44.573 It's not a one size fits all system anymore in 0:14:44.693 --> 0:14:49.973 terms of contracting in our top players. And until something 0:14:50.053 --> 0:14:52.493 changes at a global level with windows for all these 0:14:52.533 --> 0:14:55.653 domestic TEA twenty competitions, they're going to have to continue 0:14:55.693 --> 0:14:58.453 catering to different players and players are going to make 0:14:58.493 --> 0:15:01.853 decisions on whether they want to play international cricket and 0:15:01.933 --> 0:15:05.773 be contracted and be committed to the international team, or 0:15:05.773 --> 0:15:08.653 they want they want to go away and and put 0:15:08.653 --> 0:15:09.813 some money in their back pockets. 0:15:09.893 --> 0:15:11.133 And you know, think. 0:15:10.933 --> 0:15:13.533 About it more like a like a like a real job, 0:15:13.653 --> 0:15:16.373 like a you know, like a business. And you know, 0:15:16.653 --> 0:15:20.373 the elite athletes they can't play sport forever, so you 0:15:20.453 --> 0:15:23.773 understand that. But at the same time, obviously being an athlete, 0:15:23.773 --> 0:15:26.053 a big part of it is playing for your national 0:15:26.053 --> 0:15:28.773 team and succeeding, winning World Cups, going to big one. 0:15:28.893 --> 0:15:30.493 Wish as you up, doesn't it when it comes to 0:15:30.533 --> 0:15:32.493 people interested in giving you the money, It's like I 0:15:32.573 --> 0:15:36.653 performed the national level. She performed the national level. I'm 0:15:36.653 --> 0:15:38.973 going to buy in. But what about the punters. Is 0:15:39.013 --> 0:15:44.213 this going to drag numbers down for attendance for these games? 0:15:44.253 --> 0:15:47.493 We're going to go, wow, ravishing reck Avenger is not there. 0:15:47.853 --> 0:15:50.333 I'm not interested. I'm not I'm not going well have 0:15:50.413 --> 0:15:52.053 an effect at that bottom line? Do you think? 0:15:52.093 --> 0:15:55.213 Well, I think for your casual audience, right, your cricket 0:15:55.333 --> 0:15:57.413 nuffies as we call them in the sport, the people 0:15:57.453 --> 0:15:59.893 that are really passionate, live and breathe cricket. I think 0:16:00.013 --> 0:16:02.093 is still going to go to these games if they 0:16:02.173 --> 0:16:04.693 if they are in the area, if they've lucky enough 0:16:04.693 --> 0:16:07.413 to be able to do that. But for your casual 0:16:07.453 --> 0:16:10.213 fans that might think, think i've seen rach and Avendra 0:16:10.253 --> 0:16:12.533 score one hundred at the Champions Trophy was all over 0:16:12.573 --> 0:16:14.693 the news and in the news. 0:16:15.253 --> 0:16:16.133 I might go and watch a. 0:16:16.093 --> 0:16:18.653 Game in the Bay Oval or at Eton Park or 0:16:18.693 --> 0:16:23.253 at Hagley Oval. Then those people might not go, especially 0:16:23.253 --> 0:16:26.413 when it's the amount of players that aren't available. It's 0:16:26.413 --> 0:16:28.733 not just for Revendra. You're talking about Mitchell Sander, the 0:16:28.773 --> 0:16:31.013 captain of the white ball team. Five or six of 0:16:31.053 --> 0:16:34.573 these guys of you know, they are the top echelon 0:16:34.613 --> 0:16:38.133 of our players not there. So I think I can't 0:16:38.133 --> 0:16:41.293 not have an effect on people's interest levels. Doesn't mean 0:16:41.453 --> 0:16:44.213 people aren't going to watch, no, but I think a 0:16:44.293 --> 0:16:46.413 significant amount less will tune in. 0:16:47.373 --> 0:16:50.653 Also with T twenty I, it's being pushed and marketed 0:16:50.773 --> 0:16:53.853 as it's only three and a half hours. It's a 0:16:53.933 --> 0:16:56.213 day out in the sun with your friends and your family. 0:16:56.293 --> 0:17:00.293 It's almost like that experience is almost more important than 0:17:00.333 --> 0:17:02.773 the people who are actually playing. They're still wearing a 0:17:02.813 --> 0:17:05.693 black cap they're still representing New Zealand. Hey three and 0:17:05.733 --> 0:17:07.853 a half hours, let's go and have a good time 0:17:08.373 --> 0:17:09.173 being toward that. 0:17:09.253 --> 0:17:11.813 It's not as punishing, right, No, if they get if 0:17:11.813 --> 0:17:13.573 you're going to do it in any format, T twenty 0:17:13.613 --> 0:17:15.253 is the one to do it, like you say, because 0:17:15.413 --> 0:17:18.013 of the length of time people are committing to it, 0:17:18.213 --> 0:17:19.813 and like you say, they can make more of an 0:17:19.853 --> 0:17:23.093 experience out of it, and hopefully, you know, you look 0:17:23.133 --> 0:17:25.253 at the model of you know, going to another sport 0:17:25.293 --> 0:17:26.973 or clan FC and what they've done this year with 0:17:27.013 --> 0:17:29.973 their games, make it an experience and you know, to 0:17:31.413 --> 0:17:33.933 sort of divert off into it and another sport completely. 0:17:34.133 --> 0:17:36.613 We've talked about this in rugby, right how rugby needs 0:17:36.653 --> 0:17:39.573 to try and embrace more of a match day experience 0:17:40.333 --> 0:17:43.293 to try and get the casual people in, get them interested, 0:17:43.293 --> 0:17:45.733 to get them on board. So yeah, I think you 0:17:45.773 --> 0:17:47.453 will get people like that, families that are going to 0:17:47.493 --> 0:17:49.973 go along regardless. But it's always a shame when you 0:17:49.973 --> 0:17:52.653 can't have your best players playing for your national site. 0:17:52.693 --> 0:17:54.413 Hey, they get injured too, you know, it's not all 0:17:54.413 --> 0:17:56.853 the time, but sometimes they go away and make a fortune, 0:17:56.893 --> 0:17:58.653 So be it. Clay Wilson joining us in the chamber. 0:17:58.693 --> 0:18:03.253 Sports news director for News Talk ZB Andrew Webster urging 0:18:03.333 --> 0:18:06.013 the fans to be patient with Luke Metcalf. What's the 0:18:06.053 --> 0:18:09.053 preseason for Clay? Wow? 0:18:09.453 --> 0:18:11.853 How long is the preseason long enough? 0:18:11.933 --> 0:18:14.733 Wasn't it? Wow? Don't you think that a plan in place? 0:18:14.853 --> 0:18:17.093 Go this is what we're going to do. I look, 0:18:17.213 --> 0:18:19.653 maybe I'm just like kicking off because I was a 0:18:19.693 --> 0:18:24.133 wee bit pissy about what happened over in Vegas. Wouldn't 0:18:24.173 --> 0:18:26.533 you think though, that when you look at that game, 0:18:26.653 --> 0:18:30.053 that they would have maybe structure slightly more firmly in place. 0:18:30.093 --> 0:18:31.493 It looked to me it's like, ah, and you know 0:18:31.493 --> 0:18:32.933 what gonna go with him, and let's go and see 0:18:32.973 --> 0:18:33.453 what happens. 0:18:33.493 --> 0:18:36.373 I think the predicament the Warriors are in here is 0:18:36.453 --> 0:18:39.693 that it was clear going into the season that it 0:18:39.853 --> 0:18:41.333 was going to be a bit of a figuring out 0:18:41.373 --> 0:18:44.373 process in terms of who the starting halves. Where you're 0:18:44.413 --> 0:18:47.333 losing Sean Johnson met caalftin at play a bunch of 0:18:47.413 --> 0:18:50.493 last year. There's four or five contenders for two spots, 0:18:51.133 --> 0:18:54.213 and I don't think the coaching staff, the selectors themselves 0:18:54.213 --> 0:18:56.653 would have known they had to use to me the 0:18:56.653 --> 0:18:59.973 preseason to figure out who that was. Right, You're not 0:19:00.013 --> 0:19:03.813 going into a season with an established halves combination where 0:19:03.893 --> 0:19:06.293 you know, and then come round one you say, well, 0:19:06.333 --> 0:19:08.773 when knew coming into the preseason you had three season 0:19:08.773 --> 0:19:11.213 games and then you've been you know, you've been under 0:19:11.213 --> 0:19:14.093 par in round one, not good enough as opposed to 0:19:14.133 --> 0:19:17.093 this situation where you lose someone like Shawan Johnson and 0:19:17.093 --> 0:19:19.133 then you're trying to figure out It's not that there 0:19:19.173 --> 0:19:20.733 wasn't really an obvious to me. 0:19:20.773 --> 0:19:23.333 Any hold on. We lost Sean Johnson last year to 0:19:23.453 --> 0:19:26.653 Mighty Martin stepped up, they started winning, and then Sean 0:19:26.693 --> 0:19:29.053 came back and what happened the wheels fell off again. 0:19:29.093 --> 0:19:31.293 Well, then you're just getting into a debate about who 0:19:31.413 --> 0:19:34.133 should have had that jersey? Right, Wow, And they clearly 0:19:34.173 --> 0:19:38.373 thought that Luke metcalf was was the guy after at 0:19:38.453 --> 0:19:40.253 least the first preseason game. I think he played the 0:19:40.333 --> 0:19:44.373 last the second preseason game at seven. We played both 0:19:44.373 --> 0:19:46.573 of them at seven. But I mean that they were 0:19:46.573 --> 0:19:49.533 obviously doing their own stuff before that, figuring it out, 0:19:49.853 --> 0:19:52.933 decided he was probably the guy. The preseason games confirmed it, 0:19:53.213 --> 0:19:55.893 and then you've got into you know, a surprise, surprise, 0:19:55.893 --> 0:19:58.213 You've got into a proper competition game where there's actual 0:19:58.213 --> 0:20:01.173 points on the line, and that they weren't good enough. 0:20:01.173 --> 0:20:04.533 I'm sure he would admit he wasn't good enough. I 0:20:04.573 --> 0:20:07.613 guess the question now is for people like me who 0:20:07.653 --> 0:20:09.813 say maybe you should should give allow them a little 0:20:09.813 --> 0:20:13.133 bit of time. How long is enough? I mean, one 0:20:13.173 --> 0:20:16.013 game isn't enough for you. But would you extend any 0:20:16.013 --> 0:20:16.853 more grace than that? 0:20:17.613 --> 0:20:19.613 Yep, you kind of have to if you've given them 0:20:19.693 --> 0:20:22.453 that job. I just bristled when I saw that. It's like, 0:20:22.493 --> 0:20:25.733 I'll show you patience. I'm not a coach. I'm not 0:20:25.773 --> 0:20:28.093 even close to being a coach. I don't understand what 0:20:28.133 --> 0:20:31.653