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Speaker 2: It's the eleventh of March twenty twenty five. Minum is
Speaker 2: Darcy Waldergrave and coming up in this podcast, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk with a man called Wells. Sam Wells, he
Speaker 2: selector for the black Caps, talk around not only the
Speaker 2: team that has been picked for the squad that has
Speaker 2: been picked for the upcoming five match T twenty ice
Speaker 2: series against Pakistan, but the nature of selection with central
Speaker 2: contracts and where that sits. Will be joined by Klay Wilson,
Speaker 2: sports news director for News Talk SeeDB and the Chamber
Speaker 2: as we discuss that and the Warriors and the cry
Speaker 2: to be patient with the halves and I've got some
Speaker 2: opinion well on exactly that that's what we plan to do,
Speaker 2: so let's get busy and do it. In other news
Speaker 2: Ford Trophy winning tweaking at cantab Each, Sody is back
Speaker 2: in a Black Cap. A number of first choice players
Speaker 2: will flee to the BCCI's bank Withdraw branch which makes
Speaker 2: way for some of the older players and newer ones
Speaker 2: as well. He is super keen to inhale the unmistakable
Speaker 2: stench of an international changing shed again because yeah, it's
Speaker 2: great to be back. It's very exciting to sort of
Speaker 2: share the dressing room with the boys again.
Speaker 3: And Michael brace Will was captain who someone I look
Speaker 3: up to, Verry Fonny.
Speaker 2: Too Auckland Tatata GM Dale Barge appreciates the trouble facing
Speaker 2: the new Indian NBL side the Panthers. The fledsing basketball
Speaker 2: franchise is without their full roster for the first three
Speaker 2: weeks of the NBL International Asia Cup qualifying. Commitments and
Speaker 2: some visa dramas have left the club scrambling ringings.
Speaker 4: Leaves them in the lurch, leaves all of us having
Speaker 4: to scratch around and find other solutions and sympathize with
Speaker 4: everyone involve the league, broadcasters, the team itself, from the
Speaker 4: Panthers that are working hard.
Speaker 2: And bulldogs at GM and mister NRL everything. Feil Gold
Speaker 2: doesn't care about Dylan Brown's contract length, all the fountain
Speaker 2: of cash he'll be drenched with. It's whether or not
Speaker 2: the Eels half has what's required I'm not that worried
Speaker 2: about the money, and I'm not that worried about the
Speaker 2: ten years either, because I think they're getting him in
Speaker 2: the primary career. Is he the right player at the moment.
Speaker 2: There are things he's got to do to his game
Speaker 2: to get to that position. I feel.
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Speaker 2: And it's a warm welcome to the Vixed podcast to
Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket selector Sam Wells. Hi, sam Hi Darcy,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me and thanks very much for joining us.
Speaker 2: So today it was announced that hot on the heels
Speaker 2: of the sad the bridesmaid position at the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2: But you've got now the upcoming series against the visiting Pakistani's.
Speaker 2: You've named that squad to take them on in five teams.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna start that over again. What did I say?
Speaker 2: Five teams?
Speaker 5: Team?
Speaker 2: Well, here we go three two one and we're joined
Speaker 2: now by Sam Wells, Black Caps select Good evening, sam
Speaker 2: Hi Darcy.
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good. Michael Brace will be to perform
Speaker 2: so well in the HECK Champions Trophy final. He gets
Speaker 2: captain the black Caps on home series is a five
Speaker 2: game T twenty I series coming up against Pakistan. A
Speaker 2: lot of considerations in this series and a few players
Speaker 2: back from the outset, which I like to start with that.
Speaker 2: Let's look at some of those guys, the likes of
Speaker 2: ciphered Anisian and Allen. What considerations around their selection considering
Speaker 2: they haven't central contracts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there's a few moving parts, so it all
Speaker 3: I suppose.
Speaker 5: First of all, we've.
Speaker 3: Now gone past the champions Trophy and in the horizon
Speaker 3: is another ICIC pinnacle event being the T twenty World
Speaker 3: Cup in India, which is now less than twelve months away,
Speaker 3: So I focused with the T twenty team shifts to that,
Speaker 3: and we've really focused on having good preparation and built
Speaker 3: up for all of the ICC events and this is
Speaker 3: no different. So we've been in talks with these players
Speaker 3: for the last month or six weeks or so to
Speaker 3: get their commitment for all our twenty fixtures if selected
Speaker 3: for the next year and build up and they've committed
Speaker 3: to that. So while they are centrally contracted, if they've
Speaker 3: committed to the T twenty preparation that we consider as required,
Speaker 3: and we're really pleased to get that and look, these
Speaker 3: guys have really emphasized with us that their priority is
Speaker 3: still playing cricket for New Zealand and that's what they
Speaker 3: want to do. They've come back and all three of
Speaker 3: them have played for trophy and then good performances on
Speaker 3: the board.
Speaker 5: So yeah, look, it's just.
Speaker 3: Working with the players and lining up you know, a
Speaker 3: good preparation and that's really what it's all about.
Speaker 5: So we're really happy where we've landed.
Speaker 2: So basically they've said, if we get BBL contracts or
Speaker 2: South African T twenty contracts, we won't be picking them
Speaker 2: up because they can't, can they if they've committed to
Speaker 2: you and they want to get picked for that World Cup.
Speaker 3: Essentially, yeah, they've said that they'll they'll commit to all
Speaker 3: about T twenty games if selected.
Speaker 5: Look, and it's about.
Speaker 3: Giving them, you know, enough time and communication to work
Speaker 3: through whatever deals they have in place. But essentially, yeah,
Speaker 3: they've committed to all the games that we have.
Speaker 2: Have you got a cut off period for this because
Speaker 2: playing we're talking quite a while away now, I know
Speaker 2: it's within the year, but they said, hey, look, if
Speaker 2: we're not going to be in or near or close
Speaker 2: by November or something, can you let us go. Is
Speaker 2: there anything in the contract or the words there?
Speaker 3: Do you think, Sam, No, Look, there's nothing, there's no
Speaker 3: contract or strict time member. Look, it's just about keeping
Speaker 3: up with the open communications and then players and know
Speaker 3: where they stand. Like there's a number of series between
Speaker 3: now and then, and I guess as more information comes
Speaker 3: to hand and we get closer to nailing down the
Speaker 3: squad and where we think of my land, where we'll
Speaker 3: give those players indications. But yeah, ultimately they've committed to
Speaker 3: that and they said they want to play for New Zealand,
Speaker 3: But playing for New Zealand you've also got to commit
Speaker 3: to some of the preparation to make sure the team's
Speaker 3: in the best position to perform well at these events.
Speaker 3: And I think we saw that with the Champions Trophy squad.
Speaker 3: Having a strong build up in that tri series I
Speaker 3: think really helped. So that's how we're planning to move forward.
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket have been very fluid in this space
Speaker 2: and I think it's the most pragmatic way to handle this.
Speaker 2: How does that work from a selection point of view
Speaker 2: when you're dealing with a number of different contracts or
Speaker 2: lack their role is that tricky.
Speaker 3: It's not too tricky, like it's just trying to get
Speaker 3: everyone together and the ground away for But you're right,
Speaker 3: we've got to be a little bit pragmatic that the
Speaker 3: world of cricket is changing. We accept, for example, in
Speaker 3: this window you know, has been accepted for some time
Speaker 3: that players, if they get an IPL.
Speaker 5: Deal, they go go and do that.
Speaker 3: Equally, you know some players are going to make a
Speaker 3: decision to go and not taking New Zealand contract in
Speaker 3: playoffs where because the financial rewards you know, make sense
Speaker 3: for them at that time of their career or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. But if we can find a ground where
Speaker 3: when we're lining up for a particular event, if we're
Speaker 3: satisfied all we can get an appropriate burn up and
Speaker 3: commitment from the players, then I think we'd be silly
Speaker 3: to you know, not work with them to try and
Speaker 3: make that work, because it's in the interests of both
Speaker 3: the team and the player.
Speaker 2: So the players that have been selected, and there are
Speaker 2: some I would say outside it's but some people that
Speaker 2: line is close to the core team ast I'm sure
Speaker 2: they'd like to be because they still early in their careers.
Speaker 2: This is all about keeping all of your options open
Speaker 2: in giving players international experience with no promises yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the way in particularly this particular window
Speaker 3: when the IPPL players are away, we're naturally going to
Speaker 3: have to dig a bit deeper into the depth and
Speaker 3: that presents more opportunities for guys and that's happened for
Speaker 3: some time for a number of years now. So yeah,
Speaker 3: this particular window gives guys chances. But we see where
Speaker 3: guys perform well, then you know they're then pushing their
Speaker 3: place in the main squad. And for example, I think
Speaker 3: Jacob Duffy did that really well when given his opportunities
Speaker 3: recently and with injury, broke his way into the Champions
Speaker 3: Trophy squad. Now he's again here in the T twenty squad.
Speaker 3: So look these when these opportunities presented, if players can
Speaker 3: take them, that they'll find themselves with more opportunities in
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 2: In the case of Kin Williamson, Samuels joins us SO
Speaker 2: and he's in Cricket select said he's unavailable. Where does
Speaker 2: he sit in the profile over the next year around
Speaker 2: his commitments or even conversations have had with him about
Speaker 2: where he would like to be because I'm sure if
Speaker 2: he's available and fit. He'll pick him in an instant,
Speaker 2: won't you. So one of those conversations being like Sam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Kane's a bit of a series by series
Speaker 3: at the moment and this is just one of the
Speaker 3: ones where he's had a big workload, been away overseas
Speaker 3: for a couple of months now, when we're just managing
Speaker 3: him series by series, and those are obviously decisions he
Speaker 3: will make. If kin you wants to play, he'll obviously
Speaker 3: coming too serious consideration and so look we'll just had
Speaker 3: to play that by you and see how he is
Speaker 3: going moving forward. But he's still playing a bit of
Speaker 3: franchise T twenty cricket around and I'm.
Speaker 5: Sure he'll still in a while.
Speaker 3: I hope he still wants to play for New Zealand
Speaker 3: moving forward, but it's he's just at that stage of
Speaker 3: the career he's picking and choosing a bit to managers workload.
Speaker 5: But we'll just have to see how that goes moving forward.
Speaker 2: But in turn, they he will have to be available
Speaker 2: for what India and Afghanistan, those two series in the
Speaker 2: lead up to the T twenty I World Cup next year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's on cricket's position at the stage.
Speaker 2: Well love the fact that New Selling Cricket have proven
Speaker 2: in actions that they are very fluid and understand that
Speaker 2: cricket is changing fast. Almost with every season there's something new.
Speaker 2: Looks like you guys are dealing with the best you
Speaker 2: can and I'm wishing you the best going forward, looking
Speaker 2: forward to this new series and some of these new
Speaker 2: guys coming through newsh guys coming through Sam Wells selected
Speaker 2: forty Selling Cricket. Again, thanks very much for your time,
Speaker 2: Jeez Darcy. The Wires have started their season in an
Speaker 2: underwhelming fashion, which is no surprise to Warriors fans. As
Speaker 2: I've said once, as I've said twice, as I'll keep
Speaker 2: on saying, I wouldn't be surprised if in my lifetime
Speaker 2: the Warriors don't win the trophy of two blokes hugging.
Speaker 2: I don't support them because I believe they're going to win.
Speaker 2: I support them because for thirty years I've been following
Speaker 2: them through thick. For thirty years, I've been following them
Speaker 2: through thick and thin, quite a lot of thin. To
Speaker 2: be fair, I'm a fan of the team, I'm a
Speaker 2: fan of the NRL and I love to see the
Speaker 2: boys competing. But that's the issue this time around competing.
Speaker 2: Andrew Webster, the club's coach, has pleaded with the fans
Speaker 2: to be patient when it comes to the Warriors. They
Speaker 2: started off poorly in Las Vegas. They can hopefully right
Speaker 2: the wrongs of that ill fated American trip as they
Speaker 2: take to the field to Mount Smart Go Media Stadium
Speaker 2: on Friday night up against Manly. But I won't be patient.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in patience. You've had an entire off
Speaker 2: season to work out what you're trying to do and
Speaker 2: how you are going to apply those theories to the field.
Speaker 2: What we saw last week underwhelming. I'll use that term again.
Speaker 2: I think there are issues with the halves. I think
Speaker 2: there are issues with decision making, which come back down,
Speaker 2: of course, to the halves. I don't feel that this
Speaker 2: team know who they are what they are attempting to do. Granted,
Speaker 2: it's only week one of the competition for them, Granted
Speaker 2: it's a long long way to go and they're not
Speaker 2: going to win the NRL in the very first week.
Speaker 2: But being told to be patient after what we thought
Speaker 2: was a comprehensive preseason where surely the club, the management
Speaker 2: and the coaching staff have set down their requirements and
Speaker 2: set down their plan over weeks and weeks and weeks
Speaker 2: of practice. I don't think being patient is required. Now
Speaker 2: get on the park and win.
Speaker 1: We're now in session on sportsfx.
Speaker 2: Smat's news director out of news talks there b Claig
Speaker 2: Wilson joins us now in the chamber. Always good to
Speaker 2: have you in here for end.
Speaker 6: Very well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Right, let's talk about the sports stories of the day,
Speaker 2: and I suppose the one that we're all very keen
Speaker 2: on pulling apart black Caps v. Pakistan. This is the
Speaker 2: T twenty ice series coming up. Look, cricket and summer.
Speaker 2: It is summer, right, Well you just told me it's over.
Speaker 2: Well it's kind of autumn summer. But hey, Indian summers, mate, it's.
Speaker 6: Going to go going to go forever reference.
Speaker 2: But we're actually getting we're actually getting home games to
Speaker 2: go and watch. But we're not getting the best of
Speaker 2: the best. We're getting the second tier. Is that a
Speaker 2: fair thing to say, because when you look at cross
Speaker 2: at the squad, they're actually handy cricket players.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, just because you call it a second tier
Speaker 6: squad doesn't necessarily mean they're crappy players. They're very, very
Speaker 6: good players. But the reality is a lot of our
Speaker 6: best players are overplaying in the Indian Premier League because
Speaker 6: they are our best players and they got picked to
Speaker 6: play in those teams. They got bought for very handsome
Speaker 6: sums to go and play in that competition. So this
Speaker 6: is a pretty normal thing now around this time of
Speaker 6: the year where we get players that are playing in
Speaker 6: the IPL that are allowed to go and play in
Speaker 6: the IPL now and miss out on certain international series
Speaker 6: that might be happening around this time.
Speaker 2: Well, you say, now, a few years ago, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the case. Remember the Grand Home and the Guptal situation
Speaker 2: where they basically left there was almost it was quite
Speaker 2: a discussion at that time. But now the pragmatism of
Speaker 2: this New Zealand cricket organization has gone, Look, we've just
Speaker 2: got to roll with the punches otherwise we've finished. Right.
Speaker 6: It's not a one size fits all system anymore in
Speaker 6: terms of contracting in our top players. And until something
Speaker 6: changes at a global level with windows for all these
Speaker 6: domestic TEA twenty competitions, they're going to have to continue
Speaker 6: catering to different players and players are going to make
Speaker 6: decisions on whether they want to play international cricket and
Speaker 6: be contracted and be committed to the international team, or
Speaker 6: they want they want to go away and and put
Speaker 6: some money in their back pockets.
Speaker 2: And you know, think.
Speaker 6: About it more like a like a like a real job,
Speaker 6: like a you know, like a business. And you know,
Speaker 6: the elite athletes they can't play sport forever, so you
Speaker 6: understand that. But at the same time, obviously being an athlete,
Speaker 6: a big part of it is playing for your national
Speaker 6: team and succeeding, winning World Cups, going to big one.
Speaker 2: Wish as you up, doesn't it when it comes to
Speaker 2: people interested in giving you the money, It's like I
Speaker 2: performed the national level. She performed the national level. I'm
Speaker 2: going to buy in. But what about the punters. Is
Speaker 2: this going to drag numbers down for attendance for these games?
Speaker 2: We're going to go, wow, ravishing reck Avenger is not there.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. I'm not I'm not going well have
Speaker 2: an effect at that bottom line? Do you think?
Speaker 6: Well, I think for your casual audience, right, your cricket
Speaker 6: nuffies as we call them in the sport, the people
Speaker 6: that are really passionate, live and breathe cricket. I think
Speaker 6: is still going to go to these games if they
Speaker 6: if they are in the area, if they've lucky enough
Speaker 6: to be able to do that. But for your casual
Speaker 6: fans that might think, think i've seen rach and Avendra
Speaker 6: score one hundred at the Champions Trophy was all over
Speaker 6: the news and in the news.
Speaker 2: I might go and watch a.
Speaker 6: Game in the Bay Oval or at Eton Park or
Speaker 6: at Hagley Oval. Then those people might not go, especially
Speaker 6: when it's the amount of players that aren't available. It's
Speaker 6: not just for Revendra. You're talking about Mitchell Sander, the
Speaker 6: captain of the white ball team. Five or six of
Speaker 6: these guys of you know, they are the top echelon
Speaker 6: of our players not there. So I think I can't
Speaker 6: not have an effect on people's interest levels. Doesn't mean
Speaker 6: people aren't going to watch, no, but I think a
Speaker 6: significant amount less will tune in.
Speaker 2: Also with T twenty I, it's being pushed and marketed
Speaker 2: as it's only three and a half hours. It's a
Speaker 2: day out in the sun with your friends and your family.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that experience is almost more important than
Speaker 2: the people who are actually playing. They're still wearing a
Speaker 2: black cap they're still representing New Zealand. Hey three and
Speaker 2: a half hours, let's go and have a good time
Speaker 2: being toward that.
Speaker 6: It's not as punishing, right, No, if they get if
Speaker 6: you're going to do it in any format, T twenty
Speaker 6: is the one to do it, like you say, because
Speaker 6: of the length of time people are committing to it,
Speaker 6: and like you say, they can make more of an
Speaker 6: experience out of it, and hopefully, you know, you look
Speaker 6: at the model of you know, going to another sport
Speaker 6: or clan FC and what they've done this year with
Speaker 6: their games, make it an experience and you know, to
Speaker 6: sort of divert off into it and another sport completely.
Speaker 6: We've talked about this in rugby, right how rugby needs
Speaker 6: to try and embrace more of a match day experience
Speaker 6: to try and get the casual people in, get them interested,
Speaker 6: to get them on board. So yeah, I think you
Speaker 6: will get people like that, families that are going to
Speaker 6: go along regardless. But it's always a shame when you
Speaker 6: can't have your best players playing for your national site.
Speaker 2: Hey, they get injured too, you know, it's not all
Speaker 2: the time, but sometimes they go away and make a fortune,
Speaker 2: So be it. Clay Wilson joining us in the chamber.
Speaker 2: Sports news director for News Talk ZB Andrew Webster urging
Speaker 2: the fans to be patient with Luke Metcalf. What's the
Speaker 2: preseason for Clay? Wow?
Speaker 6: How long is the preseason long enough?
Speaker 2: Wasn't it? Wow? Don't you think that a plan in place?
Speaker 2: Go this is what we're going to do. I look,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just like kicking off because I was a
Speaker 2: wee bit pissy about what happened over in Vegas. Wouldn't
Speaker 2: you think though, that when you look at that game,
Speaker 2: that they would have maybe structure slightly more firmly in place.
Speaker 2: It looked to me it's like, ah, and you know
Speaker 2: what gonna go with him, and let's go and see
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 6: I think the predicament the Warriors are in here is
Speaker 6: that it was clear going into the season that it
Speaker 6: was going to be a bit of a figuring out
Speaker 6: process in terms of who the starting halves. Where you're
Speaker 6: losing Sean Johnson met caalftin at play a bunch of
Speaker 6: last year. There's four or five contenders for two spots,
Speaker 6: and I don't think the coaching staff, the selectors themselves
Speaker 6: would have known they had to use to me the
Speaker 6: preseason to figure out who that was. Right, You're not
Speaker 6: going into a season with an established halves combination where
Speaker 6: you know, and then come round one you say, well,
Speaker 6: when knew coming into the preseason you had three season
Speaker 6: games and then you've been you know, you've been under
Speaker 6: par in round one, not good enough as opposed to
Speaker 6: this situation where you lose someone like Shawan Johnson and
Speaker 6: then you're trying to figure out It's not that there
Speaker 6: wasn't really an obvious to me.
Speaker 2: Any hold on. We lost Sean Johnson last year to
Speaker 2: Mighty Martin stepped up, they started winning, and then Sean
Speaker 2: came back and what happened the wheels fell off again.
Speaker 6: Well, then you're just getting into a debate about who
Speaker 6: should have had that jersey? Right, Wow, And they clearly
Speaker 6: thought that Luke metcalf was was the guy after at
Speaker 6: least the first preseason game. I think he played the
Speaker 6: last the second preseason game at seven. We played both
Speaker 6: of them at seven. But I mean that they were
Speaker 6: obviously doing their own stuff before that, figuring it out,
Speaker 6: decided he was probably the guy. The preseason games confirmed it,
Speaker 6: and then you've got into you know, a surprise, surprise,
Speaker 6: You've got into a proper competition game where there's actual
Speaker 6: points on the line, and that they weren't good enough.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he would admit he wasn't good enough. I
Speaker 6: guess the question now is for people like me who
Speaker 6: say maybe you should should give allow them a little
Speaker 6: bit of time. How long is enough? I mean, one
Speaker 6: game isn't enough for you. But would you extend any
Speaker 6: more grace than that?
Speaker 2: Yep, you kind of have to if you've given them
Speaker 2: that job. I just bristled when I saw that. It's like,
Speaker 2: I'll show you patience. I'm not a coach. I'm not
Speaker 2: even close to being a coach. I don't understand what
Speaker 2: goes on there. But from a pure fan point of view,
Speaker 2: after what happened, you go, well, hold, we expected a
Speaker 2: bit more. But then I'll just wind that back. It's
Speaker 2: the warriors expect the unexpected. Don't even know what's going on?
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just think the halves, it's just that the area
Speaker 6: that just jumps out of the page to you. Are
Speaker 6: there players like Luke Metcalf, Shanel Harristavita to Mighty Martin,
Speaker 6: who who could be a part of a premiership winning
Speaker 6: half playmaking combination. But it's just, you know, it's that
Speaker 6: position that everyone says, you know, you've got to have,
Speaker 6: You've got to have that kind of that match controller,
Speaker 6: that star player, that standout player who's going to drive
Speaker 6: you lead you to a premiership. A Jerome Hughes, a
Speaker 6: Cooper Kronk, someone of that ilk and those guys not
Speaker 6: yet anyway, are not that player.
Speaker 2: Tay Wilson, Sports News Direct for News Talk ZB. Thanks
Speaker 2: very much for your time and your opinions. Much appreciated.
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