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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at me Yea with news Talks.

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Speaker 2: They've been joining us now as our tech commentator. Paul Stenhouse,

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I am really intrigued by what has happened overnight with TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is all to do with the law

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Speaker 2: that was signed in April that requires their Chinese owner

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Speaker 2: to sell the app to a non Chinese company by

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Speaker 2: January the nineteenth, will be banned in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Overnight the US Court of Appeals they said, nap, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to overturn the law. So what does TikTok do.

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Speaker 3: Now, Well, they have done a lot actually leading up

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Speaker 3: to this point. They say that they've been working with

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Speaker 3: all of the US government departments and regulators and all

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Speaker 3: of that good stuff, and they don't think it should

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Speaker 3: have got to this point. They've also actually separated all

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Speaker 3: of their data outside of China, so they say that

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Speaker 3: all of the data that US users, that they have

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Speaker 3: about US users is in the United States. So they say, hey,

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Speaker 3: just because we are owned by a Chinese company does

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Speaker 3: not mean that we are doing anything nefarious. They say

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Speaker 3: that this is an app that should be able to

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Speaker 3: be used by anyone. Of course, the US says a

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Speaker 3: little differently, and one of the things that the Court

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Speaker 3: actually said was that it was the fact that there

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Speaker 3: was extensive bipartisan action by both Congress and successive presidents

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Speaker 3: that led them to side with the US government say no, TikTok,

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Speaker 3: you will be banned. Next step is going to be

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. And the big argument that TikTok is

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Speaker 3: making is that this is a matter of free speech. Interesting.

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Speaker 3: I heard you joke before about dancers, So is it

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Speaker 3: also about free dancers. It's going to be interesting, right,

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Speaker 3: because free speech at the moment over here has a

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Speaker 3: reasonably well understood definition, and so this will be testing

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Speaker 3: that definition to see if free speech also applies to

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Speaker 3: an app. And it's worth pointing out, actually that I

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Speaker 3: think that when this law was passed, TikTok was the

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Speaker 3: absolute leader and there really wasn't anywhere else to go

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Speaker 3: and watch those kinds of videos. Right. A lot's changed

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Speaker 3: since then, and a lot has changed because of that

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Speaker 3: law too. Instagram Reels has put a lot of time

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Speaker 3: and effort into promoting Instagram reels, and they say now

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Speaker 3: that thirty seven percent of all the Instagram users use

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Speaker 3: reels daily. Now that would not have been the case

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Speaker 3: when this law was signed. And about fifty percent of

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Speaker 3: the time that people spend on the Instagram app is

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Speaker 3: with reels, So reels has real traction. So I think

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Speaker 3: that if TikTok was to go away, it would have

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Speaker 3: left a big hole previously. That hole may not be

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Speaker 3: quite as large in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Paul, why does it China allow TikTok?

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Speaker 3: There? Oh, no, it does allow it better it does, Okay, no,

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Speaker 3: it does. Yeah, But what the US government has said

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Speaker 3: that they don't want the data they previously said they

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Speaker 3: don't want data stored in China. The big fear is

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Speaker 3: that the data of the US users can be used

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Speaker 3: in nefarious ways, delicious ways, and they have had some

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Speaker 3: really bizarre instances of things where you know, if your

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Speaker 3: phone knows where you are and you've given your location

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Speaker 3: access to the TikTok app, they then may be able

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Speaker 3: to see things like where clusters of people are that

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Speaker 3: maybe they aren't supposed to be, maybe they're in a

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Speaker 3: secret location that they don't want them to know about.

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Speaker 3: It's that type of thing. I think that they're kind

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Speaker 3: of concerned about.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we're gonna we're going to head back

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Speaker 2: to court on this one, aren't we.

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Speaker 3: Yep? Fact, well not just to court, those the preme

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Speaker 3: courts two, which will which I mean that's the last

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Speaker 3: place they can go. And then what they'll potentially you'll

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Speaker 3: visit the app store and the app won't be there,

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Speaker 3: or you'll visit TikTok dot com and they'll be I

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Speaker 3: don't know, will there be a black screen, a blue screen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen. We haven't seen

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Speaker 3: this before.

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Speaker 2: Well, while we wait and wonder, we can just enjoy

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Speaker 2: a curate predictions of the weather thanks to AI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, it used to be the minds

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Speaker 3: of you know, the weather forecasters who were telling us

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Speaker 3: what the weather was going to be doing. But AI's

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Speaker 3: changing all of that big time. A Google company called DeepMind.

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Speaker 3: They've basically taking all the AI things that are happening

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Speaker 3: and trying to find applications for them, and they have

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Speaker 3: managed to create very accurate fifteen day weather forecasts. So

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Speaker 3: over here at least anyway ten days. Typically the one

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Speaker 3: that you look at is the longest one. And when

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Speaker 3: you start getting around to that eight, nine, ten day

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Speaker 3: market's not very accurate. AI is generating fifteen day forecasts

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Speaker 3: that are accurate, and they're actually creating those in minutes

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Speaker 3: rather than the current process that takes hours with a supercomputer.

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Speaker 3: And here's the bit that's kind of scary. One of

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Speaker 3: the senior researchers at this company. It's like we've made

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Speaker 3: decades worth of improvements in one year.

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Speaker 2: It's goodness, May incredible. Thank you so much, Paul, Really

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Speaker 2: good to catch up sixteen to eleven News Talks EBB.

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