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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duplicy, Ellen drive with one New Zealand, Let's

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Speaker 4: Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Now, post

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Speaker 4: Trump being elected, the biggest concern for New Zealand is

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Speaker 4: that he does actually had us with those twenty percent

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Speaker 4: tariffsies promised. We'll find out from Winston Peters whether that

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Speaker 4: actually is a threat that he's worried about. We just

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Speaker 4: had the big reveal, obviously, of the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 4: We'll see what Nazi ta's chief executive thinks of it,

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Speaker 4: and also find out why over in the US they're

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Speaker 4: going to drop those legal cases against Trump ever do

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Speaker 4: for ce Allen, let me tell you was absolutely no

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Speaker 4: surprise to me to see my Facebook friends melting down

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Speaker 4: over Trump winning the election last night. Whoo are they

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Speaker 4: going crazy?

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Speaker 5: Boy?

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Speaker 4: Have there been some hysterical predictions about how now that

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Speaker 4: he's won, the world is going to end. My absolute

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Speaker 4: favorite one was from my husband who told me last

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Speaker 4: night Trump is bad. Trump is going to take us

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Speaker 4: the world to the brink of war. Hello, Hello, the

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Speaker 4: world is already at war. We don't even be taken

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Speaker 4: the world, which is Europe in the Middle East. Neither

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Speaker 4: of them are because of Trump. They started under Biden.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, it got me thinking, I think we need

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Speaker 4: a little bit of perspective here. Geez. I mean, people

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Speaker 4: are really losing their minds over this. We cannot predict

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Speaker 4: what is going to happen in the future, right, but

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Speaker 4: we have the past to guide us. So why don't

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Speaker 4: we compare the last time Trump was president with the

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Speaker 4: most recent period under Biden and see who wins as

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Speaker 4: being the real crazy one here? As far as I

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Speaker 4: can see, Biden is the one who's been far worse

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Speaker 4: for New Zealand. I mean, look, sure, Trump introduced the

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Speaker 4: steel tariffs on us and started a trade war with China,

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Speaker 4: but I checked with Winston Peter's office. It doesn't look

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Speaker 4: like Biden's remove those steel tariffs from US, and he

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Speaker 4: as I can see, they're basically exactly the same as

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Speaker 4: each other on that. Under Biden, who New wars started,

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Speaker 4: both of which have pushed up prices that we pay

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Speaker 4: here in New Zealand. Under Trump, no new wars were started.

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Speaker 4: Now my husband counted that with who But well, remember

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Speaker 4: when he met with Rocketman Ooh, North Korea nearly did

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Speaker 4: might have nearly, but they didn't. Nothing happened despite all

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Speaker 4: of the warnings. And that's because Trump is too much

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Speaker 4: of a crazy maker. Other world leaders don't know how

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Speaker 4: far they can push it with him. They suspect they

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Speaker 4: can't take it very fast, so they don't try it all.

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Speaker 4: That is why Putin invaded Georgia under Bush, invaded Crimea

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Speaker 4: under Obama, invaded Ukraine under Biden and pulled his head

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Speaker 4: and did no invasions under Donald Trump. But under Biden,

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Speaker 4: never mind, the threat of North Korea may be doing something.

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Speaker 4: Two things actually did happen. Two wars actually did happen.

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Speaker 4: They did start, and they are worse than anything that

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Speaker 4: North Korea might have done under Trump. The withdrawal from

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Speaker 4: undermined America's credibility. So before we get too hysterical about

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Speaker 4: all the bad things that Trump could do, how about

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Speaker 4: we just remind ourselves all the bad things that Biden

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Speaker 4: did do. Get a bit of a grip, ask ourselves,

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Speaker 4: what would Trump actually have to do in the next

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Speaker 4: four years to be worse than what Biden was? And

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Speaker 4: why aren't we as hysterical about Biden and how bad

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Speaker 4: he is? Or is this just this hysteria just something

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Speaker 4: we reserve for Donald Trump. Ever, Ellen ninety two is

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Speaker 4: the text number stand a text fees apply Now the Democrats,

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Speaker 4: I mean talk about meltdown. Democrats are dealing with a

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Speaker 4: bad hangover from last night, aren't they. Kamala Harris has promised,

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Speaker 4: he gave a very good speech today. I promised there

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Speaker 4: will be an orderly transition of power.

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Speaker 7: We must accept the results of this election. Earlier today

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Speaker 7: help him and his team with their transition and that

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Speaker 4: David List's a Democrat and a former speech tried it

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Speaker 4: to Barack Obama. David hell Low hi Heather, what do

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Speaker 4: you think the Democrats did wrong in the end.

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Speaker 8: I think it's going to take a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 8: maybe even months to fully figure it out, because this

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Speaker 8: was really an across the board reversion back to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I use the word of version. It was

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Speaker 8: actually bigger than that. Almost everywhere in the country shifted

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Speaker 8: by about six percent toward Donald Trump. And that was

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Speaker 8: true across geographies, it was true across ages, races. You know,

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Speaker 8: it was really a full scale shift rightward compared to

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Speaker 8: was a headwind from inflation. That was, you know, a

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Speaker 8: prices have stopped growing since then. But people are very

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Speaker 8: think that ultimately one of the things as a Democrat

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Speaker 8: I find myself wondering is what could have been done

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Speaker 8: this was something where it turned out to be a

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Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of commentary from you know, the

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Speaker 4: what this is basically is a vote against everything the

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Speaker 4: Democrats stand for, things like diversity and you know, just

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Speaker 4: and like, let's call it wokiness. Do you know, if

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Speaker 4: you like, do you think it is that? Is it

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Speaker 4: a cultural war vote or is it purely an economic vote?

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Speaker 8: I think no vote is all one thing or another.

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Speaker 8: I absolutely think that there are a set of people

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Speaker 8: in the country who find Democrats annoying. And I will

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Speaker 8: say I'm a Democrat and sometimes I find Democrats annoying.

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Speaker 8: At the same time, I think that it was really

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Speaker 8: shocking to me how many people were apparently willing to

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Speaker 8: overlook Donald Trump's danger and the threat that he poses

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Speaker 8: to the country and to the world. Quite frankly, you know,

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Speaker 8: I think in part because Democrats can sometimes be a

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Speaker 8: little bit irritating. And as I said, not only do

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Speaker 8: I think the Democrats can sometimes be irritating, I have

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Speaker 8: truth to that. But I also think it doesn't fully

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Speaker 8: explain this result. It's going to take a while to

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Speaker 4: But probably right does he pose to the country into

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Speaker 8: I think the most important thing that is just shocking

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Speaker 8: now is Donald Trump. I mean, this was a small,

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Speaker 8: de democratic process. He won the popular vote, but the

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Speaker 8: fact remains the last time he ran for president, he

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Speaker 8: to try to undo the will of the people and

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Speaker 8: overturn that election, and now voters have rewarded him with

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Speaker 8: another four years. That's a really scary thing. I mean,

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Speaker 8: we know this is not someone who cares about the

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Speaker 8: peaceful transfer of power. It's not somebody who cares about

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Speaker 8: the Constitution. And we're going to have to wrect and

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Speaker 8: with that as a country. And because of America's place

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Speaker 8: also think there's America's place in the international order. You know,

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Speaker 8: Trump has talked about pulling out of NATO. He clearly

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Speaker 8: is friendlier with dictators like Putin and She of China

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Speaker 8: democratically elected leaders around the world. We don't know what's

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Speaker 8: going to happen next, but there's going to be real uncertainty,

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Speaker 8: and I would be really surprised, pleasantly surprised, but surprised

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Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, David, listen, thanks for talking us. So it

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Speaker 4: really appreciated, and go, well, that's David Litt, form of

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Speaker 4: speech writer for Barack Obama. Yeah, Baron Trump is tall,

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Speaker 4: isn't he?

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Speaker 1: Isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Anyway? So he walks on stage last night at a

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Speaker 4: that that is a very tall boy. I mean, like

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Speaker 4: so he's towering over his father. He's a very table man. Apparently,

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Speaker 4: Apparently the Google searches on how tall Baron Trump has

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Speaker 4: went absolutely nuts at exactly eight twenty when he walked

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Speaker 9: what do you reckon?

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Speaker 6: Don't trust me?

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Speaker 4: Not the slightest, But I'm going to listen to you.

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Speaker 9: I'm not a regular, to be fair, The money here

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was looking for an option of how many

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Speaker 4: So why is Ethan Degroup not playing again?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 9: Internal discipline?

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Speaker 4: But that was last week? Was internal discipline happened one week?

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Speaker 4: What happens in the vacuum about making up stories?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 9: So he said, Now it's a form situation.

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Speaker 4: That sounds this sounds like BS. Doesn't it? A form?

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Speaker 9: We can say looking in play last week?

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Speaker 4: You know how we were talking about the hucker last

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Speaker 9: You know what they should do? No what rique he

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Speaker 4: Six. Actually that's quite good and the ladies wouldn't hate

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Speaker 4: four twenty Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 4: That'd be four twenty five. Listen, we've got to we've

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Speaker 4: now that has caused them the greatest consternation. This is

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Speaker 4: what it says. Number one, The Crown recognizes and will

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Speaker 4: respect and protect the rights that Hapoo and Ewie Mahli

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Speaker 4: remember this is David's already done the change. David Sima's

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Speaker 4: the same. Helmet Modlick, who is the chief executive of

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Speaker 4: five or thereabouts. Give us his take on it.

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Speaker 4: The six foot nine inches is a blessing. It's like

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Speaker 4: It is not at all. Big boobs for a lady

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Speaker 1: Headline's next, the day's newsmakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 4: Know, Heather, I'm six foot nine, I can fly in

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Speaker 4: economy and I don't need a special bed. You don't seat,

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Speaker 4: you don't sleep straight out like a log. Well, I

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Speaker 12: Now?

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Speaker 4: Well, the concern for New Zealand, obviously, is that we

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Speaker 4: them out of it? Winston Peter's the foreign minister who's

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Speaker 4: Of course, the presidency has decided, but the election results

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Speaker 4: The Democrats have definitely lost the Senate, and Wisconsin Senator

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Speaker 9: Democrats have left us a big mess that we need

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Speaker 1: But we'll do what we've.

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Speaker 13: Done in the past, lower regulation, lower taxation, utilize our

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Speaker 4: Australian Ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd, has had to

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Speaker 14: Kevin Rudd is doing a terrific job as the Australia's

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Speaker 4: And finally, so turns out cats are actually smarter than

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 4: Murray Old's Ozzie corresponds with us.

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Speaker 6: Now he mus afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Ever, what's kay Rudd actually said? Then? Do you know?

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Speaker 6: Well, he did say Donald Trump's nuts and he's a

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Speaker 4: On the bright side, Mauz, you guys are going to

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Speaker 4: get off this really easily because you've got a fantastic

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Speaker 4: ambassadors Washington and Trump Lism. So you're well placed. You're

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Speaker 4: well placed. Listen, so tell me about the social media

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Speaker 4: banner's kicking in for the sixteen year olds, is it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's got more holes in Swiss cheese at

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Speaker 6: this point. I mean, yes, we're going to be banning

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Speaker 6: at under six from social media if the federal government

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Speaker 6: laws get through parliament. But then they're going to be

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Speaker 6: I mean, how they're going to be enforced. The government's

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Speaker 6: going to make social media companies have they're responsible for

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Speaker 6: enforcing the ban, but just how that's going to work?

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Speaker 6: No one sure there's no penalty on children accessing the

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Speaker 6: net the parents as well if the laws have flouted,

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Speaker 6: So I mean, what's the point And there are many

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Speaker 6: other questions as well. Has the band going to be imposed?

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Speaker 6: I mean what technology is going to be used? Hasn't

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Speaker 6: been invented yet? And what about the penalties with the

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Speaker 6: companies if the kids are on there looking at all

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Speaker 6: sorts of stuff they shouldn't. There's a big meeting tomorrow

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Speaker 6: alban Easy convening a meeting of the federal and state

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Speaker 6: governments to thrash this out. But the experts are warning

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Speaker 6: the kids nowadays, and you know this as well as

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Speaker 6: I do. They're so tech savvy. Anything silly old suits

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Speaker 6: like Elbow and Dunton put up. The kids are going

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Speaker 6: to work out in three minutes flat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is the important thing, mass is you

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Speaker 4: have to ping the social media provider. Then you have

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Speaker 4: to make them the ones that are responsible for keeping

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Speaker 4: this sixteen year olds off. So they're really incentivized to

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Speaker 4: do it because the kids will try to get on.

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Speaker 6: Well, the kids will get on, that's the point. So

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Speaker 6: how are you going to actually punish these social media providers?

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Speaker 4: I don't care, just punish them. You've got deep pockets

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Speaker 4: who cares?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, I guess that's I guess that's true. A

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Speaker 6: lot of money.

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Speaker 4: Don't you come here to this show making an argument

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Speaker 4: for what Mark Zuckerberg Woe is me?

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Speaker 11: Please?

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Speaker 6: Was last trillion dollars too? Right?

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Speaker 4: Hey listen, So I see you guys are actually recording

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Speaker 4: the number of Keywis that are coming into Australia.

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Speaker 6: Well right now, the end of September there were seven

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Speaker 6: hundred and twenty five thousand New Zealanders over here, so

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Speaker 6: that's a lot. That's three quarters of a million people.

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Speaker 6: And on the back of the COVID pandemic, of course,

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Speaker 6: the borders now open again and migration numbers. Despite the

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Speaker 6: best eforts of the government, migration numbers are up. There

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Speaker 6: were five hundred and sixty net a thousand net migrants

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Speaker 6: to Australia after COVID and two point eight million temporary

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Speaker 6: visa holders at the end of the last quarter student

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Speaker 6: visas well, nearly seven hundred thousand of those graduate visas.

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Speaker 6: You're throwing another two hundred and fifty. So all of

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Speaker 6: a sudden you've got a million student and graduate visas

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Speaker 6: here as well. And as I say, three quarters of

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Speaker 6: a million Kiwis. The Kewis have got a special relationship

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Speaker 6: with of course, the government is trying to wind back

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Speaker 6: student numbers, but the universities are squealing like stuck pigs

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Speaker 6: because of course all the foreign students pay three and

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Speaker 6: four times as much for their tuition as Australian kids.

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Speaker 6: So the university had like aightms with these kids. They

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Speaker 6: just punch them in the door on the way in

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Speaker 6: and punch them out when they finished their degrees.

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Speaker 4: Mozz, thank you very much, appreciate it. Look at yourself.

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Speaker 4: Murriold's Ossie correspondent heither I bought Central Otago Pino in

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Speaker 4: San fran for twenty dollars a bottle in Auckland, the

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Speaker 4: same wine vintage cost forty two dollars per bottle. And

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Speaker 4: this is all in New Zealand dollars by the way,

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Speaker 4: So twenty bucks in the state's forty two bucks in Auckland.

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Speaker 4: So who's getting screwed? Old scam? Huge price domestically and

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Speaker 4: duties on imported wines twenty percent import tariff's stay on

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Speaker 4: our wines means the US still gets our wine cheaper

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Speaker 4: than we do here Bruno, thanks for that context. And

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Speaker 4: actually somebody seen a very similar text about lamb prices

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Speaker 4: in the US. So there you good as you will

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Speaker 4: have seen world leaders have just, you know, just fall

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Speaker 4: it over themselves to suddenly be mates with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And my favorite tweet thus far as from Emmanuel Macron,

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Speaker 4: and he said, congratulations President Donald Trump. Ready to work

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Speaker 4: together as we did for four years, full stop with

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Speaker 4: your convictions and mine, full stop, with respect and ambition

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Speaker 4: for more peace and prosperity, with your convictions and mine.

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Speaker 4: Don't tell me that Macron didn't know what a double

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Speaker 4: entendre on convictions. How good from him, well done. No

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Speaker 4: one was expecting that much humor from you. Emmanuel Macron

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Speaker 4: sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 4: Barriers and your political correspondence with us A Barry, Good.

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Speaker 10: Afternoon, Heather. I've been brow beaten. I have over the

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Speaker 10: past twenty four hours, but you know I'm used to it.

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Speaker 6: Have you?

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Speaker 4: Have you resigned yourself to the outcome?

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Speaker 10: What a wonderful man Donald Trump is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, not that.

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Speaker 4: Oh nobody thinks a wonderful man human being. He's one, though,

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Speaker 4: isn't he. It's quite funny, isn't it. How are you

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Speaker 4: feeling what it seems all on? You've been to the

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Speaker 4: cardiac guy just to check that everything's okay in there. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Now listen, the Treaty Principals Bill has made it to

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Speaker 4: Parliament and I imagine that this got quite heated today.

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Speaker 10: Yes it did, and of course protesters are out here

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Speaker 10: in Auckland and in Wellington and that's in preparation for

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Speaker 10: the hikuoi next week and that will happen probably on

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Speaker 10: the day that it's first debated. I think it's next Thursday. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: it'll be first debated in Parliament. But the point that

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Speaker 10: David Seymour has been making. And I think it's a

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Speaker 10: good point that the Waitangi Tribunal have been able to

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Speaker 10: develop principles that have been used to justify the actions

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Speaker 10: that are contrary to the principle of equal rights, and

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Speaker 10: that's co governance and stuff like that, and either Parliament

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Speaker 10: can define them, which is what Parliament's role should be,

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Speaker 10: and certainly not the Waitangi Tribunal. And that's the whole

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Speaker 10: point of him trying to spell out what these principles are,

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Speaker 10: because they're written into many pieces of legislation and they're

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Speaker 10: based on interpretation of others as opposed to the lawmakers themselves.

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Speaker 10: And I think that, in fact, is a good way

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Speaker 10: to proceed. Basically, he says, the bill won't alter the

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Speaker 10: treaty itself, it will be used to assist the interpretation

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Speaker 10: of the legislation. And I say here here to that

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Speaker 10: the Maori Party, though it attempted to have the bill

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Speaker 10: withdrawn as soon as it was tabled in Parliament this afternoon,

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Speaker 10: here's co leaders rowery way to tea and DEBI no

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Speaker 10: rivera packer.

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Speaker 2: I leave to move a motion without notice and without

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Speaker 2: debate that this House honest to taty await honey and

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Speaker 2: withdraws the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 8: Leave it thought. Is there any objection there?

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Speaker 15: The objection the introduction of the Treaty Principal's Bill without

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Speaker 15: consulting King Charles is a sign of disrespect and brings

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Speaker 15: the House into disrepute.

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Speaker 10: What what's the point that she's making is that the

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Speaker 10: Crown should have been informed about I'm sure King Charles

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Speaker 10: would be right in the front of a seat wanting

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Speaker 10: to know exactly that what was in the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 10: But the point that was made by Jerry Brown and

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Speaker 10: is absolutely true that there is a speech from the

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Speaker 10: Throne at the start of every parliamentary session and the

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Speaker 10: last one last year was no exception, and the Treaty

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Speaker 10: Principal's Bill was mentioned in that. And if the Queen

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Speaker 10: was sorry, the King was interested, he would have been

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Speaker 10: able to talk to his Governor General here and got

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Speaker 10: the lowdown on I don't know where there is taking

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Speaker 10: that opportunity or taken.

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Speaker 4: The opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 10: But look, there was a lot of tension in Parliament today.

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Speaker 10: The Speaker, your old mate Helmet, he was there making

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Speaker 10: a lot of noise in the public glories. I understand that,

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Speaker 10: and he left sort of yelling and making faces at

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Speaker 10: ministers in parliament. David Seymour, though he's now launched an

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Speaker 10: online campaign now that the bill's been introduced, He's sitting

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Speaker 10: at his desk in Parliament and in a video he

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Speaker 10: tells viewers that every key we will have the chance

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Speaker 10: to make a submission on the bill, which is absolutely right.

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Speaker 10: I mean, after it's debated next week, then it'll be

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Speaker 10: open to a Parliamentary Select committee and the public will

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Speaker 10: get the opportunity to make submissions.

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Speaker 4: He said.

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Speaker 10: The committee process will be open within days of the

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Speaker 10: bill being debated next Thursday.

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Speaker 11: Ever, listen, everyone will have the chance to express their

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Speaker 11: opinion on this parliamentary bill without being shouted down or

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Speaker 11: told their view doesn't count. The bill's critics say that

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Speaker 11: this debate will be divisive, but I think they underestimate

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Speaker 11: New Zealand's ability to have constructive conversations on fundamental issues

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Speaker 11: like democracy and equal political rights. For my part, I

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Speaker 11: think each of us is united by universal humanity, the

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Speaker 11: same inherent dignity for each person. That's what's driven all

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Speaker 11: the good movements in human history.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and so it's a very slck campaign and what

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Speaker 10: he's hoping to do is to get people to respond

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Speaker 10: to it. I mean I got an email about it

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Speaker 10: today and to support the bill. So he's trying to

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Speaker 10: sort of go, if you like, above Parliament and to

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Speaker 10: appeal to the public to have their say.

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Speaker 4: Out really quickly. Barry, we don't have a lot of time,

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Speaker 4: but see can Trump. We haven't talked enough about ka

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Speaker 4: Rudd just got busted. Kevin Rudd, Ambassador to the US

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Speaker 4: for Australia, just got busted with a whole bunch of

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Speaker 4: nasty tweets about Trump. At least this time we're more prepared, right, Oh.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Now, Winston says were absolutely prepared, and he's told

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Speaker 10: Parliament that this afternoon there was a funny sidebar to

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Speaker 10: it that Trump did well as we know of the

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Speaker 10: Latino vote, but Peters wasn't doing well with Ricardo Mendi's march,

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Speaker 10: who hails from Mexico and who barracked him in parliament.

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Speaker 1: Ever listened to this.

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Speaker 16: This is not the first time that I am subjected

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Speaker 16: to this kind of pretty verote type of behavior, and

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Speaker 16: I take personal offense to my hanches occurred and note

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Speaker 16: that it is incredibly unstatements like from the Deputy Prime Minister,

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Speaker 16: the acting prem Minister.

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Speaker 17: We cannot have these members so sensitive.

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Speaker 8: All I said was in Spanish.

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Speaker 17: All I said in Spanish was good bye, my friend.

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Speaker 7: But he's offended by that.

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Speaker 17: Oh, for goodness sake, we have a very diverse parliament.

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Speaker 10: There's a bit of Trumpian behavior goes on with Winston

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Speaker 10: at times.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, interesting, very so for senior political correspondent. Actually, Winston's

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Speaker 4: with us just after five seven, away from.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you. The mic hosking.

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Speaker 18: Breakfast boys down because he's going to drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 18: Europe are wetting their pants with nervousness. God knows what

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Speaker 18: they're feeling like in the Ukraine. So a lot to

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Speaker 18: play for New York got me as well. They hate him,

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Speaker 18: they indict them, but whatsnow we don't We'll vote for him.

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Speaker 4: How does that work?

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Speaker 12: It tells us that there's real shifts happening within the country.

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Speaker 12: Throughout the country.

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Speaker 18: The lack of planning post Biden was astonishing. Back tomorrow

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Speaker 18: at six am, the mic asking breakfast with the rain

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Speaker 18: driver of the lah News talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Hate seriously, though, why is Rakardo men Indias March offended

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Speaker 4: by somebody saying adioso egos to him? If he I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's from Mexico. I just double checked this. I was like, oh, Chez,

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Speaker 4: I better be right about this. I was like, Racado,

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Speaker 4: he is from Mexico. Language spoken to Mexico. No to Spanish.

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Speaker 4: A no, that's Spanish. So what's the problem that's like?

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Speaker 4: That's like, by the way, Laura the producers German? Is

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Speaker 4: that all right that I mentioned that? Laura or re

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Speaker 4: offended by the fact that you're okay with a Thank

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Speaker 4: God she's German. So it's like me saying to her Elvidsen,

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's the thing about I don't understand. I mean,

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Speaker 4: clearly Winston's niggling him. But you know what, you know

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Speaker 4: how bullying works. Say you niggle people who you know

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Speaker 4: get niggled, and clearly old mate gets niggled, Heather, So

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Speaker 4: you're all right, are you? With a rapist being in office,

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Speaker 4: a convicted liar, a guy whose morals sent him to

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Speaker 4: a porn star while his wife was pregnant with their child.

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Speaker 4: The guy lies like a salesman selling flies. Shows your

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Speaker 4: moral compass If you'd vote for him. Okay, we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about this because this stuff, this stuff being

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Speaker 4: like he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy, don't

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Speaker 4: vote for him. It doesn't work, clearly, And we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about that in the next half hour or

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Speaker 4: thereabouts when Ston Peters is with us next Now, yesterday

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Speaker 4: I was speaking to a diplomat or former diplomat, who

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Speaker 4: said to me, one of the interesting things what he's

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Speaker 4: the thing that he's most worried about, this diplomat, is

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Speaker 4: what happens in the Middle East with a Trump presidency.

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Speaker 4: Most likely Trump will end the war in Ukraine. It

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Speaker 4: might not be nice for Ukraine, but it will end.

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Speaker 4: But the problem with the Middle East is that Trump

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Speaker 4: has basically told Israel the way to solve it is

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Speaker 4: just to go hard and strike Around's nuclear sights. Now

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Speaker 4: there is a according to the diplomat, to be made

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Speaker 4: for doing exactly that, but pretty bloody risky because it

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Speaker 4: could start a quite a big war. So anywhere we'll

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Speaker 4: see from Winston what he thinks the risk of that

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Speaker 4: is his next news talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers.

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Speaker 1: By the facts and give the.

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Speaker 2: Analysis Heather due to Cellan Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. World leaders, including from our own government, have sent

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Speaker 4: their congratulations to Donald Trump on him winning the US

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Speaker 4: election last night. The US is, of course one of

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Speaker 4: our country's most important partners. Winston Peters is our Foreign

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Speaker 4: affairs minister. Hey Winston, Good afternoon, Winston. The thing that

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Speaker 4: we're most worried about with the Trump presidency, obviously is

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Speaker 4: his threat to introduce twenty percent tariffs on imports, including ours.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he'll actually do that?

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Speaker 17: I think a lot of people are prematurely panicking here

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Speaker 17: without understanding that we have got to a till the

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Speaker 17: twentieth of January next year for him to be inaugurated.

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Speaker 17: In that time, we've got a lot of work to

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Speaker 17: do with the incoming administration. And also we have a

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Speaker 17: very very strong case to make ourselves an exception because

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Speaker 17: of the fairness of our market, the fact that we

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Speaker 17: pay first world wages in first world conditions, and so

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Speaker 17: we're not an exploit out of country that you could

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Speaker 17: bring those sorts of tariffs against without having evidence, and

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Speaker 17: so in our case, we're not overly confident, but we've

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Speaker 17: got our salves ready. We hit the ground running the

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Speaker 17: moment this administration was elected.

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Speaker 5: We were prepared for it.

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Speaker 17: We prepared for it in terms of our Washington base

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Speaker 17: and also our base around the United States, in terms

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Speaker 17: of people that we have contact with in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he can be talked out of this?

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Speaker 17: Well, he's not being talked into at this point in time.

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Speaker 17: He's just made it about some countries and hopefully he

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Speaker 17: has not made at about ours. And often he talks

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Speaker 17: about what is unfair in the world, and if you

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Speaker 17: can see some countries who pay third world or fourth

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Speaker 17: world wages and shocking conditions, then you're talking about something else.

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Speaker 17: In New Zealand's case, we are a first World democracy

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Speaker 17: with the First War standards of living, in terms of

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Speaker 17: our aspirations for the working people of our country, and

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Speaker 17: that will stand us in good stead.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that he will end the Ukraine War

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Speaker 4: like he says he will.

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Speaker 17: Look, Just go back and ask yourself, how come between

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Speaker 17: sixteen to how sixteen twenty twenty we had none of

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Speaker 17: this wars, none of these wars going on. Sometimes wars

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Speaker 17: that have happened because countries they can get away with it,

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Speaker 17: and sadly that's where we are at now. But you know,

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Speaker 17: I don't want to get involved in that. Othern't to

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Speaker 17: say that weakness often leads to the kind of circumstances

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Speaker 17: we're living.

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Speaker 4: You're preaching to the choir here. I totally agree with

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Speaker 4: you on that, But I'm interested in how he gets

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Speaker 4: settlement in the Ukraine thing. I mean, does he force

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Speaker 4: flotomye Zelenski to give up a whole bunch of land

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Speaker 4: to putin in order for Putin to stop the fighting.

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Speaker 4: And if that's what he does, are we okay with that?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm not going to get into that controversial debate

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Speaker 17: because that's outside of our area, other than to say,

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Speaker 17: as a small state, we do think that rule of

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Speaker 17: law matters. And the Russians preached a serious view in

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Speaker 17: Charter when they did that, even though they were on

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Speaker 17: the Security Council, and we made that position very clear

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Speaker 17: in our statement to the United Nations not so longer

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Speaker 17: now on the.

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Speaker 4: Middle Eastern War. Speaking to somebody in the know yesterday

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Speaker 4: who's an experienced diplomat, who said that one of the

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Speaker 4: possibilities with Trump and the Middle Eastern War, is that

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Speaker 4: he actually just comes in sorts out around once and

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Speaker 4: for all by making it okay for Israel to strike

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Speaker 4: their nuclear sites. And that's it. I mean it's risky,

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Speaker 4: it really risky, but at least it ends. What do

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Speaker 4: you think is that likely?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm amazed at the number of people have come

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Speaker 17: experts after the election and who gave you a no

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Speaker 17: good advice before before it happened. But the real issue

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Speaker 17: is here is the running the economy, and he could

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Speaker 17: have a profound effect upon that and see a change

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Speaker 17: in their behavior.

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Speaker 4: Yes, do we have a good relationship do you think

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Speaker 4: with the people? I mean, I noticed you put Rosemary

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Speaker 4: Banks back into the Washington situation for us, right in

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Speaker 4: the embassy over there. So do we have a good relationship?

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Speaker 4: Do you think with the people who are likely to

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Speaker 4: be surrounded by Trump? Surrounded surrounding Trump?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, with a lot of them.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 17: I just spoke to our former ambassador to New Zealand,

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Speaker 17: who's also our consul in Oregon. Port in Oregon swimmed down.

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Speaker 17: I spoke to him a long time today and he's

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Speaker 17: going to Washington very shortly. He's got a lot of contacts.

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Speaker 17: You've got also people that you know work very close

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Speaker 17: to Trump, whereas actually almost daily organizers. These are the

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Speaker 17: people that we're back in contact with now, as we

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Speaker 17: always had to get ready for any change that was

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Speaker 17: likely to happen and been more likely as the months

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Speaker 17: went by.

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Speaker 4: Wellston, I want to speak to you just really quickly

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Speaker 4: as the leader of New Zealand first, and I hope

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Speaker 4: you won't take offense at this, at this particular comparison,

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Speaker 4: but you strike me as being probably the closest in

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Speaker 4: to Trump in New Zealand, not in terms of being

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Speaker 4: offensive or anything like that, but just kind of understanding

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Speaker 4: the popular mood and appealing to the popular mood. Right,

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Speaker 4: Do you think that what Trump has just done is

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Speaker 4: this just a unique individual who's managed to win or

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Speaker 4: is this a movement around the world of people who

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Speaker 4: want to be listened to by populists.

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Speaker 17: Look what happened here, and it was astonishing in the

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Speaker 17: campaign because it happened to the Republican Party as well,

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Speaker 17: that so many people high up in the organizations of

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Speaker 17: both those parties were out of touch with real American voters.

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Speaker 17: So those people out there who hadn't registered for devote

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Speaker 17: Safe for thirty five years. We're registering for the first time.

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Speaker 17: These are people who got to be listened to. These

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Speaker 17: are people who are concerned about the massive flowing from

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Speaker 17: the border and the number of criminals and murderers are

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Speaker 17: coming in, and they were not responding to them in

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Speaker 17: the heads of the Republican and the Democratic Party. But

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Speaker 17: Trump was now, whether you like or don't like someone,

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Speaker 17: the reality is, in the end, democracy is about the

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Speaker 17: ordinary person, the people in their numbers who do all

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Speaker 17: the jobs, sometimes two or three jobs a week to

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Speaker 17: make a country work. And if you take your ear

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Speaker 17: and your eye off them, then you deserve to lose.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Winston, thank you very much. Couldn't agree with you

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Speaker 4: more on that. Actually, Winston Peter's Foreign Affairs Minister, thirteen

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Speaker 4: past five ever do for it's going to have a

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Speaker 4: chat very shortly about the treaty Principal's bill. Just a

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Speaker 4: quick heads up on TV and Z. TV and Z

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Speaker 4: has proposed a bunch of job cuts. So Breakfast at

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Speaker 4: the moment has four hosts. Two of them will be cut.

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Speaker 4: It looks like seven sharp. They're going to cut three

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Speaker 4: reporters and two part time producers, a whole bunch of

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Speaker 4: camera operators up and down the country, the Northland role

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Speaker 4: which is Helen Castle's reporter role, that will be cut

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Speaker 4: as well, the entire Q and A team and one

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Speaker 4: news website team. They are meetings as afternoon, although it

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound like there are like huge jobs to be

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Speaker 4: cut there or anything like that, but anyway, in total

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Speaker 4: they're cutting fifty jobs. Now, this is just the start,

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Speaker 4: I would venture of what's going to happen. Because if

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Speaker 4: you assume some of these people will be highly paid,

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Speaker 4: some of these people will be like middlingly paid. But

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Speaker 4: if you have out and say each of them has

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Speaker 4: paid about one hundred thousand, fifty jobs times one hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand is what five million bucks TVNZ needs to find thirty.

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Speaker 4: So it's just the start. News talk ZB. Hey, when

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Speaker 4: you're running a business, getting your name seen as often

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Speaker 4: as possible is actually key, and the really savvy entrepreneurs

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Speaker 4: out there are all about mobile visibility with their business

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Speaker 4: message on their vehicles. Now speedy signs can deck out

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Speaker 4: your car, you ute all your truck with eye catching

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Speaker 4: graphics or wraps. You're already driving around town making deliveries

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Speaker 4: or heading to job sites right, so you may as

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Speaker 4: well take advantage of the traffic and amplify your visibility.

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Speaker 4: Speedy Signs is New Zealand's largest national signage company. They

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Speaker 4: say that when you've got good signage on your vehicle,

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Speaker 4: it's doing a lot of the selling for you, even

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Speaker 4: if you're just parked up. So imagine you'll sign written

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Speaker 4: vehicle parked outside of store that sells your product. How

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Speaker 4: good You're going to be top of mind for everyone

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Speaker 4: who then walks into that store, increasing the chances of

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Speaker 4: your product being bought. Speedy Signs will make sure that

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Speaker 4: your graphics look sharp and professional, So give them a call,

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred Speedy or visit Speedy Signs dot co

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Speaker 4: dot MZD Heather do for cut times one hundred thousand heither,

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Speaker 4: be honest? Did you have to use your calculator? Mate?

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Speaker 4: I did maths in New Zealand. I did school see maths,

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Speaker 4: so yes, of course I did eighty. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how to do maths. Eighteen past five Now the Treaty

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Speaker 4: Principal's Bill has finally been introduced to Parliament, which means,

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Speaker 4: of course, we've finally got our first look at the

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Speaker 4: thing pretty much exactly as expected, except for the second principle,

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Speaker 4: which promises to respect and protect the rights that Hapou

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Speaker 4: and Ewe Mari had under the Treaty of White Pungi

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Speaker 4: as long as they're the same as everyone else's, or

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Speaker 4: if they're different, as long as they're the result of

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Speaker 4: a treaty settlement. Nat tour Ewe Chief Executive Helpment Modlick

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Speaker 4: is with me now, ha Helbert? Is that all good

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Speaker 4: with you?

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Speaker 1: Sorry?

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Speaker 4: Is that all good with you?

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Speaker 20: I've made my views very clear on the lack of logic,

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Speaker 20: truth telling, and ethics and connection with the whole exercise.

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Speaker 5: So no, no, nothing good about it. Second verse as either.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, So is there anything that David Seymour could

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Speaker 4: do to this to make you happy?

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Speaker 5: Be I'll tell the truth, tell the truth.

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Speaker 20: So, I mean, the whole premise of this uh one

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Speaker 20: renegotiat renegotiation of the of the treaty without participation of

883
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Speaker 20: one of the parties to the treaty doesn't even make

884
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Speaker 20: sense here. So if there was, if this was a

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Speaker 20: serious attempt to to be honorable, to tell truth and

886
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Speaker 20: to pursue a just position to go forward on, this

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Speaker 20: bill offers up nothing that marries up with those characters.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I mean, so helmut if you have a

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Speaker 4: problem with the Crown side even rewriting the thing in

890
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Speaker 4: the first place, and then there's no debate, right, There's

891
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Speaker 4: nothing that they could do that could pretend that there

892
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Speaker 4: would ever be up for discussion with you that would

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Speaker 4: satisfy you.

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely there would be.

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Speaker 20: So the words are written in black and white and

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Speaker 20: there if you want to understand what they mean, to

897
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Speaker 20: have a look in a marriage dictionary that what's required,

898
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Speaker 20: like any contract that's been intoed into, was for it

899
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Speaker 20: to be honored by both sides. Now that's problematical range

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Speaker 20: of reasons. But over the last probably forty fifty years,

901
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Speaker 20: we've been on a journey of truth telling and reconciliation

902
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Speaker 20: and attempting to do that. One fell sweep coalitions come

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Speaker 20: in reverse that project of truth and reconciliation and looking

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Speaker 20: to unilaterally renegotiate the terms of that agreement.

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Speaker 5: As I say, nothing about that is just a weak cale.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what happened in Parliament today?

907
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Speaker 5: So first, you know, the bill was entered into the House.

908
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Speaker 4: I don't mean that like I know how that works.

909
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Speaker 4: What happened by you shouting or doing signs and stuff

910
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Speaker 4: up in the.

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Speaker 5: That's not our way pulling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Well, you know I sat there for over and now

914
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Speaker 20: listening to parliamentarian flying their trade and was reminded, in fact,

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Speaker 20: how come my debate with David was so frustrating because

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Speaker 20: you know, for the more part I listened to people

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Speaker 20: avoiding answering Christians, you know, obvious gaping and just yeah,

918
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Speaker 20: it was really hard to listen to.

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Speaker 5: So at the end there there was some questions.

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Speaker 20: That were appointed given to the current Minister of No

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Speaker 20: Development that related both to the bill, but more particularly

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Speaker 20: at the end related to the relationship and the tenor

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Speaker 20: of the relationship between the Mari community and the coalition government.

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Speaker 20: Who is the direct question about whether it's.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know all the stuff?

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Speaker 12: Would you I left?

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Speaker 5: I still left.

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Speaker 20: I gave them a direct look and with what you

929
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Speaker 20: can imagine look on my face and turned on the

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Speaker 20: heels and left.

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Speaker 5: I just couldn't stand it any longer enough.

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Speaker 4: Helmet, thanks very much, made appreciated. Helmet Modelick not to

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Speaker 4: toy Ewe Chief Executive five twenty one, the.

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Speaker 2: Name you trust to get the answers you need and

935
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Speaker 2: a dupless Alan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 4: They'd be So apparently the Department of Justice over and

938
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Speaker 4: the status is already winding down its cases against Donald Trump.

939
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Speaker 4: To explain why, we're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 4: Randy Zellen, a US attorney, a law expert, rab about

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Speaker 4: that in about ten minutes time, five twenty four. Now listen.

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Speaker 4: If there's something that we learned for sure with Donald

943
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Speaker 4: Trump's victory last night, I think it is that voters

944
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Speaker 4: don't care as much as we seem to think that

945
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Speaker 4: they do about voting for a bad man. Because, let's

946
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Speaker 4: be honest about it. Trump is a bad man. I mean,

947
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Speaker 4: can you think of any body more bad in politics.

948
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Speaker 4: He's a convicted felon, he cheated on his wife with

949
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Speaker 4: a howker, he's a liar, he's a brag He says

950
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Speaker 4: terrible things which you really hope you should never take literally.

951
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Speaker 4: There's absolutely no manners at all. And yet despite all

952
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Speaker 4: of that bad stuff, a massive majority of Americans across

953
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Speaker 4: the whole country, across both genders, across all ethnicities, voted

954
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Speaker 4: for him. Why because it doesn't matter, certainly, not as

955
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Speaker 4: much as his policies. The policies matter more what he

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Speaker 4: says he will do for people, tax cuts, paying down debt,

957
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Speaker 4: getting rid of illegal immigrants. That matters more to voters

958
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Speaker 4: than him being a bad man. Now, this is a

959
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Speaker 4: really important lesson because this bad man's stuff is happening

960
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Speaker 4: all around the world, right all around the Western world.

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Speaker 4: We are constantly told by the left of politics and

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Speaker 4: particular not to vote for people or policy or parties

963
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Speaker 4: because they're bad. They're bad people. How many times have

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Speaker 4: we been told, even here in New Zealand in the

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Speaker 4: last election, that we can't vote for this or that

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Speaker 4: politician or this or that party because they are a

967
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Speaker 4: bunch of racists, bad people, or they're bad because they

968
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Speaker 4: had a Donald Trump hat on display very bad, or

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Speaker 4: more recently, Andrew Bailey bad man has to be sacked

970
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Speaker 4: because he made a mean joke about a worker. What

971
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: a bad man, you know. Like, here's the lesson from

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Speaker 4: last night. That stuff doesn't matter as much as the

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Speaker 4: politicians on the left think. Carmla Harris, she strikes me

974
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Speaker 4: as genuinely a decent person, like I think I would

975
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Speaker 4: really like her. She looks like a good, nice woman

976
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Speaker 4: with a much better moral code than Donald Trump, and

977
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Speaker 4: she lost so badly. She got down trout last night

978
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Speaker 4: because voters didn't think that it was so important that

979
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Speaker 4: she was a good person. What they thought was her

980
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Speaker 4: policy sucked and they didn't want them. So here's the thing, right,

981
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Speaker 4: If Trump hating politicians and punters and commentators learned the

982
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Speaker 4: lesson from last night, they will tone down all the

983
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Speaker 4: stuff I keep telling us about it and how bad

984
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Speaker 4: he is because he's like Hitler and he's a tyrant

985
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Speaker 4: and he's a misogynist and he's a racist. No one cares.

986
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Speaker 4: Voters clearly don't care. And here's the lesson for the

987
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Speaker 4: left of politics in particular. Play the ball, not the

988
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Speaker 4: man keller duper sye Allen, Now listen. I know this

989
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: is not a cool thing to do, and I know

990
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't do this. My mum told me. When I

991
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Speaker 4: don't show off about things that you think that you've

992
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Speaker 4: done very well, it's not a good thing that I'm

993
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Speaker 4: about to do. I'm about to brag because everybody else

994
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Speaker 4: was surprised about what happened last night, but no me,

995
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Speaker 4: Because if you listen to the show on October the seventeenth,

996
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Speaker 4: you'll know I wasn't surprised because I told you on

997
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Speaker 4: October the seventeenth he was gonna win and she was

998
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Speaker 4: gonna lose. Let me explain to you why Trump wins came.

999
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: The only thing that you should care about is what's

1000
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Speaker 4: happening in the Swing states. The swing states being Nirvana, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan,

1001
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Speaker 4: North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona. Harris is not leading by enough,

1002
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Speaker 4: She's gonna lose. He will probably overperform.

1003
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Speaker 15: In all of this.

1004
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Speaker 4: Right, So whatever you're seeing in the polling, he does

1005
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Speaker 4: better on the night, because that's what happened in twenty sixteen,

1006
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Speaker 4: That's what happened in twenty twenty, which means on the night,

1007
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 4: the Orange guy overperforms, he does well, he exceeds expectations,

1008
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 4: and he wins the swing states, which is the only

1009
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: ones that he needs to worry about. Embrace yourself, and

1010
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: what happened last night. The Orange guy overperformed in the

1011
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 4: Swing States, and he won last night, And thank you,

1012
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 4: thank you. I had look to the reason I'm so

1013
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: stoked with myself is because on the night, I was like,

1014
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: this is credibility reducing. If I get this rotten, there's

1015
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: a lot of credibility, let's be honest about it. But

1016
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Speaker 4: I was like, what tiny little smidge and I have left,

1017
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: I'm about to burn on making a call for Donald Trump.

1018
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: And then I did it, and then I was right.

1019
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Speaker 11: I tell you what, Heather, your mum smile.

1020
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Speaker 21: It sounds like a very smart lady.

1021
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: Oh to you whatever, but it is true. That's the

1022
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: I'm not going to brag about it at all again

1023
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: until maybe with the Huddle, and then maybe tomorrow again,

1024
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: and then maybe on Sunday and my column and then

1025
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Speaker 4: maybe every uptime. It's all about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1027
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Here the dup of

1028
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Speaker 2: the Allen Drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected

1029
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: and news talk z'.

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Speaker 4: Be Heather milk it for all it's worth, and Louise,

1031
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: I've planned to thank you. Hey, the Huddle is standing

1032
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 4: by going to be with us shortly Allie Jones and

1033
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: Jordan Williams with all the reaction from what happened last

1034
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Speaker 4: night and all the day's news over here as well

1035
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Speaker 4: after six o' six o'clock. Sorry, we're going to have

1036
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 4: a chat to Rob five now rob is the chair

1037
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Speaker 4: of Recorp, put a lot of money into opening this

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Speaker 4: big aluminium can factory. We have a chat to him

1039
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 4: about that that opened today. But also he happens to

1040
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: be on the board or something like that somehow tied

1041
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Speaker 4: up with Craiggie Range, the wine guy's over in Australia.

1042
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 4: If if Trumpy goes ahead with those twenty percent tariff's

1043
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: wine is going to be very affected because I think

1044
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: is our biggest market actually, the US for Wine's web

1045
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Speaker 4: chat to him about whether that is a real threaten

1046
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Speaker 4: whether he's worried about it. Twenty three away.

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Speaker 1: From six hither dup c Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So all the ongoing criminal cases against Donald Trump are

1049
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Speaker 4: expected to wind down now that he won the election

1050
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Speaker 4: last night. The Department of Justice officials are trying to

1051
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Speaker 4: figure out exactly how to go about doing this. Randy

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Speaker 4: Zellen is a law professor at Cornell University. Hey Randy, Hi,

1053
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Speaker 4: great to be on with you. Yeah, thanks for being

1054
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Speaker 4: on with us again. Now listen, why is this happening?

1055
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Speaker 4: Is this because of some sort of a convention that

1056
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Speaker 4: you don't prosecute a sitting president.

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Speaker 3: There's a few things there is the legal end of things,

1058
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Speaker 3: and then there's the practical end of things, and the

1059
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Speaker 3: practical end of things wins out, and that is, you

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Speaker 3: don't prosecute a sitting president, you don't prosecute an incoming president.

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Speaker 3: And the reality is that we have a separation of

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Speaker 3: powers in this country, and one of those branches is

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Speaker 3: the executive branch, and the president runs the executive branch,

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Speaker 3: and the Department of Justice, which is the chief prosecuting

1065
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Speaker 3: agency for federal crimes, is actually under the President of

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Speaker 3: the United States. So who in their right mind running

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Speaker 3: the Department of Justice is going to continue a prosecution

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Speaker 3: against the sitting president. Consequence, consequently, all of the federal

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Speaker 3: prosecutions will disappear, the remaining state prosecutions where technically the

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Speaker 3: federal government doesn't have oversight. As a practical matter, Justice

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Speaker 3: Machan is not going to sentence President Trump to jail,

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Speaker 3: And as far as depending case in Georgia, that's probably

1073
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Speaker 3: just going to die under its own weight.

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Speaker 4: Right when you were talking about Justice Purshat, are you

1075
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Speaker 4: talking about this is the Stormy Daniels Hushmany case where

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Speaker 4: we were literally about to have them sentenced in a

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Speaker 4: few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct. So at this point, Justice Marshan, I think,

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Speaker 3: will do the right thing, the just thing, and the

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Speaker 3: thing that the country really wants, because the country spoke

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Speaker 3: and the country said we want Trump, and far be

1082
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Speaker 3: it for Justice Machan and to say something differently. So

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he will sentence him to a slap on

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Speaker 3: the wrist if that, and move on.

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Speaker 4: What about when he finishes up his term in four

1086
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Speaker 4: years time? Can they simply resume the cases.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to There would be technically an issue

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Speaker 3: in terms of the failure to prosecute, though the argument

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Speaker 3: could be made that the time should be told or

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Speaker 3: stayed or held in abeyance. While he's a sitting president.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be at that point eighty two eighty

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Speaker 3: three years old, probably walking out of his second term

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Speaker 3: as somewhat of a folk hero. No one's going to

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Speaker 3: be interested in prosecuting him at that point. Hopefully the

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Speaker 3: country will have moved on and we will all be

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Speaker 3: far more interested in enjoying prosperity and a good life

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Speaker 3: than simply trying to correct old wrongs.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Randy, out of interest, do you know what the

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Speaker 4: rules are are in terms of how many more terms

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00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 4: he can serve because I know that you can't serve

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Speaker 4: two terms. You can't serve more than two terms consecutively.

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00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: But what if it's broken up.

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00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: I believe that it is eight years your capped total

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00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: two terms. Whether it's consec or broken up, it's only

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00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: happened one other time in history. I think Grover Cleveland

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: Alexander is the only other president to have served two

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Speaker 3: terms non consecutively. But my sense of it is this

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00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: will be President Trump's second and final term.

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Speaker 4: Randy, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much, mate,

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Speaker 4: appreciate it. It's Randy Zellen, Cornell University law professor. Apparently,

1111
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: according to the texts, I said that Craigie Range is

1112
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: in Australia, but it's not. It's in Hawk's Bay, which

1113
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 4: is bit of water between the two twenty away from.

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Speaker 2: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local

1115
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: and global exposure like Noah.

1116
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: Ellie Jones read PR Jordan Williams. Taxpayers, you you know

1117
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 4: had all this evening? Hi you too, Allie? Is your

1118
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: Facebook feed just melting down over Trump? Like miners?

1119
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 22: No, I kind of haven't been looking at it. It's

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00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 22: it's I do find it really upsetting. I think it's

1121
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Speaker 22: extremely worrying. A supplier I was talking to earlier today

1122
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 22: at work, he actually volunteered that he was stoked that

1123
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 22: Trump had been successful. I mentioned the felonies and he

1124
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 22: said to me, oh, they were all made up.

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Speaker 4: He was stitched up. I mean, it was absolutely mind boggling.

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Speaker 22: And I heard your commentary earlier, Heather, about the left

1127
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 22: always calling the right bad and so forth, and I

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 22: don't agree. I think that the Republicans played the person,

1129
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 22: not the ball, more than the Democrats this time. And

1130
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 22: not only did they they do it too, they did

1131
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 22: it in a really racist, misogynistic, and revolting way.

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Speaker 4: So make point, Yeah, you make my point for me.

1133
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: I mean, no one cares.

1134
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 6: This is the thing.

1135
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: This guy is like the worst human being on the

1136
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Speaker 4: planet in a position like this, and people anyway to it.

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Speaker 22: There's more to it, though, Heather, and I think it's

1138
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 22: stuff like the social media. I think it's Trump being

1139
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 22: on television. I think it's the appeal to the young

1140
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 22: men and the testosterone on it. And I think there's

1141
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 22: a whole lot of other stuff going on here. It's

1142
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 22: not just you know that they love Trump. You know,

1143
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 22: the man's a pig.

1144
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 4: Here's a pig. But Jordan, the point I was making

1145
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 4: is he's a peg, right, and you can look at

1146
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: it and you go, yeah, but this peg is going

1147
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: to actually fix the economy. And I prefer his economic

1148
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: policies to Kamala Harris. And that's ultimately.

1149
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 23: Have you have you been to the U E Since COVID?

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00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 6: No?

1151
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Speaker 5: No, not since COVID.

1152
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Speaker 23: I mean it even I've not been on the the

1153
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 23: West coast, but certainly in New York. It is just

1154
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 23: that it is not nearly as good as it used

1155
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 23: to be and a kind of I mean, it is

1156
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 23: just a different place now that you're comment earlier, And

1157
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 23: why I was giggling was comment that the Republicans were

1158
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 23: a lot more personal, that the whole Dems campaign was

1159
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 23: not about what they stood for. It was just we're

1160
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 23: not Trump. And the thing is that was all baked in.

1161
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 23: I think that the idea that that you mentioned television

1162
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 23: and things like that, if you think that that Trump's

1163
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 23: favorable because there wasn't any coverage on the mainstream networks

1164
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 23: got him in, I've going to bridge the bridge to

1165
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Speaker 23: sell you.

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Speaker 5: I follow it.

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Speaker 23: You know, the news aggregators. I follow, I've been unable

1168
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Speaker 23: to consume in the last few months.

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Speaker 5: In fact, they nearly radicalized me.

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Speaker 23: And I was very empty Trump after January sixth, But

1171
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 23: it is went so unhinged that I just turned off.

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Speaker 1: Just it is.

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Speaker 22: It was just celebrity Jordan, I'm talking about a celebrity.

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Speaker 23: And ah, all of all of that was baked in.

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Speaker 23: I mean, the thing is is that that the Dems

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 23: that they had a presidential candidate, it's just seemed to

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Speaker 23: be an empty vessel. And all she could say was was,

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Speaker 23: you know, I'm not Trump, and people what they already knew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well look I don't agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I heard what she was saying, and she.

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00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: Was saying she might not, but democracy has just played out.

1182
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 4: Sad about it and deeply upsetting. I'm not questioning the democracy.

1183
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Speaker 22: What I'm saying is I cannot believe that there was

1184
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 22: even going that they were even as close as they

1185
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 22: were apparently before the before the election. I mean, the

1186
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 22: man can't even speak properly. He basically wants.

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Speaker 4: To control the women and their body.

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Speaker 22: You've got Carmela Harris who actually speaks strongly, clearly, empathetically

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Speaker 22: and she relates to people, and she actually understands that

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Speaker 22: women need to have control over their own bodies and

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Speaker 22: make their own decisions. I mean, this was one of the.

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Speaker 5: Main and a yeah, and that's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: And that was what they ran.

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Speaker 23: That was probably their initial strategy, and you know, and

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Speaker 23: it didn't work. I just wrote to a very good

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Speaker 23: friend of mine, in fact, she's the god mother and

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Speaker 23: my daughter in New York about twenty minutes ago, and

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Speaker 23: she was she had a really good line that you know,

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Speaker 23: everything is politics at the moment except politics, which is

1200
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 23: which is personal, and that there is a feeling of

1201
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Speaker 23: real you get that. I mean, we've all if you're

1202
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 23: into politics, you know you have, you've lost an election,

1203
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 23: you win an election.

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Speaker 1: It is very personal.

1205
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Speaker 23: But it's what the sort of I will admit as

1206
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 23: a sident. Really like Trump that much.

1207
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: But it's almost.

1208
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 23: Shining freuder the overreaction from people that clearly just are

1209
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 23: not aligned with where the middle class American is and

1210
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 23: the blaming on the this you know, well it must

1211
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 23: be racism or it must be sexism.

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Speaker 5: It's just the clearly clearly not look at the numbers.

1213
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 5: Trumps just won the popular voice.

1214
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Speaker 4: I want to get your reaction. She's got to take

1215
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: a quick break and then we'll come back and get it.

1216
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Speaker 2: Okay, Quarter two with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate

1217
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 2: the marketing of your home.

1218
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Speaker 4: Right, you're back with the huddle, Ali Jones and Jordan

1219
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 4: William Sorry, Ali, what were you saying?

1220
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Speaker 22: That's right, very quickly, because we could talk about this forever.

1221
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 22: But the point that you know, Jordan and you were

1222
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 22: making Heather about it being a democratic process and he's

1223
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 22: won and the people have spoken and so forth. Of

1224
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 22: course I'm not arguing against that, but what I'm saying

1225
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 22: is that the people who are voting are voting based

1226
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 22: on I don't know, like the guy I spoke to

1227
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 22: this morning who said, but all those felonies and charges

1228
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 22: were trumped up. They were they were made up. You know,

1229
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 22: some of the comments and things that are coming out

1230
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 22: of Trump supporters mouths conspiracy theories. I mean stuff that

1231
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 22: the Dark Web stuff, the Q and non stuff.

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Speaker 4: It is just they are diluted. But Delancray not. You

1233
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: cannot say that every single vote for Trump in a

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00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 4: country that size was informed by conspiracy.

1235
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Speaker 19: And I'm not saying that, And I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 4: And when you look at I mean there were countless

1237
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: Democrats and independents who voted for him because they prefer

1238
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: him to their own candidate.

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01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 22: I don't know who their candidate is, but Kamela, you know.

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Speaker 8: You meant.

1241
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: I thought you meant.

1242
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 22: And other elections in other parts of the election.

1243
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: So I mean there are I think what happened here

1244
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: is I don't understand, and I think it's going to

1245
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: take us a while to figure out why people voted

1246
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: for Trump. What it was that made them vote was

1247
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 4: that the economy, was the illegal immigration? Was it an

1248
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 4: anti Democrat vote? We don't It was a cultural wal vote.

1249
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: We don't know yet. But one thing we absolutely do

1250
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: know is that for whatever reason they voted for him,

1251
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 4: they were prepared to hold their nose and they looked

1252
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 4: at this guy and they're like, this guy is pretty gross,

1253
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: but I'd rather vote for him. Zan Karmela, now that gross.

1254
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: I think he's frightening.

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Speaker 22: And maybe those people in her own party who didn't

1256
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 22: vote for maybe the misogynoy.

1257
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 4: Now tell me what you're scared of, Ali scared of?

1258
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 22: I'm scared of him pressing a button.

1259
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 4: Seriously, I could actually do that. The guy is just

1260
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: so he was he was better for world peace and

1261
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 4: stability than Biden carry on, and has a.

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Speaker 5: Long record of being of being a pacifist. I don't

1263
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: like truck.

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Speaker 23: Look, I hate this discussion because I've got two hundred

1265
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 23: thousand subscribers to the Taxpayers Union, of which both sides

1266
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 23: have very strong views, And no matter what I say,

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 23: I'm going to get lots of emails complaining about.

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Speaker 1: How can you have that view?

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Speaker 23: But I mean, the one thing I am am pretty

1270
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Speaker 23: confident on is that he has a long history of

1271
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 23: being a pacifist, and actually that perception that he's a

1272
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 23: little bit nuts and if you push him too far

1273
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 23: he might go absolutely a wise, It's actually okay, the

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Speaker 23: Western world pretty safe.

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Speaker 4: I totally agree. Hey, listen on another subject really quickly.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Jordan, of the Treaty Principle's Bill,

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Speaker 4: Now that you've actually seen the thing, are you're happy

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 4: with the way it's worded because you weren't before?

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 23: Yeah, I'm going to read it on the plane tonight

1280
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 23: because I understand that there some changes that that hadn't

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 23: been Basically articles Principal two.

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Speaker 4: Principal two is the one that you care about, which

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01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 4: guarantees the rights of Hapu and Ewe as per the

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 4: Treaty of White Tonguey, as long as they're the same

1285
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: as everybody else's or determined by a treaty settlement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: I think the if the cultural establishment and I'm looking

1288
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 23: at U, TV and Z and the like overplay, you know,

1289
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 23: the radical idea of a referendum on what our constitution

1290
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 23: looks like, you might end up with the very sort

1291
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Speaker 23: of backlash that the establishment thinks is unbelievable, like what

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Speaker 23: just happened in the US.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yep, what do you think of it? Alie? Have

1294
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: you had a look at it?

1295
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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 22: I heard your really good pracy on the changes, which

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01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 22: made it really clear because I think people are confused

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 22: by it. It is reasonably complex. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 22: the next six months. I have no problem with people protesting,

1300
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 22: talking about it, having robust discussions. But people have got

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Speaker 22: to be safe and feel safe.

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Speaker 4: Doing those things.

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Speaker 22: I heard Barry On earlier playing some audio of David Seymour,

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Speaker 22: who's got a campaign going about wanting people to support him.

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Speaker 4: I think that was Ai. Did you hear it? I

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Speaker 4: think someone needs to check Allie's not Ai. David Seymour

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Speaker 4: is a robot that explains that, Okay, good, isn't he?

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Speaker 22: I mean, yeah, but I'm really looking forward to some

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Speaker 22: really good discussion. What I'd like to have more of

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Speaker 22: is is independent discussion on this and not just have

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Speaker 22: political slinging.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, no, mud slinging would be good. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: thank you. I appreciate it. From the pair of you.

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Speaker 4: Allie Jones and Jordan Williams a huddle this evening, seven

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Speaker 4: away from six red or Blue?

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Speaker 2: Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The

1317
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Speaker 2: latest on the US election. It's Heather Duplicy Alan Drive

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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected these talks'd me.

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Speaker 4: Hither? Alli Jones represents why the Democrats continue continue to lose.

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Speaker 4: Trump is a pig. He's not nice, but America wants strong,

1321
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Speaker 4: not nice. I think there's a point to that. America

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01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: wants somebody strong at the moment, they're like, they just

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Speaker 4: there's so much effects, by the looks of things, so

1324
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Speaker 4: much effects. Anyway, listen, biggest sports news of the day.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe I've left the slate in the show

1326
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Speaker 4: to tell you Ray Gun is retiring. I know ray Gun,

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Speaker 4: the breakdancer at the Olympics. You know, she of the

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Speaker 4: Kangaroo Hop and the Snake Slither. She's retiring. She made

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Speaker 4: the announcement on a radio show in Sydney today, said

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Speaker 4: she's gonna quit competitive breakdancing because people made her feel

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Speaker 4: too crap about her performance at the Olympics. That's right, Raygun,

1332
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Speaker 4: as people that made you feel crap, it wasn't that

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Speaker 4: it was not your performance that made you for it

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Speaker 4: was other people. But anyway, whatever, Now I'm surprised. I've

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Speaker 4: got to say, I'm surprised that Raygun went to the

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Speaker 4: effort of announcing this because I would have just thought

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Speaker 4: that it was a given that she would be retiring,

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Speaker 4: because surely, after the feedback she got on the Kangaroo

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Speaker 4: Hop and the Snake's Slither, it was clear to her

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Speaker 4: that there was no there was no future for her

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Speaker 4: and competitive breakdancing. It would have just been a given

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Speaker 4: that she would never ever, ever, ever ever competitively perform again,

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Speaker 4: because one thing I would be absolutely sure of is

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Speaker 4: that it doesn't matter what backwater she went to somewhere

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Speaker 4: in the some random small town at like some high

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 4: school competition in the backwater of New South Wales. The

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: world would turn up to see another raygun performance. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: but bless her for making the efforts to let us

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 4: know we should prepare ourselves. We have got listen. I

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: am fascinated by this. We have got another bank being

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 4: tougher on key We dairy farmers than on Ossie dairy

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Speaker 4: farmers with the emissions directions. So yesterday wasn't Westpac, it

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01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 4: was Westpac yesterday, today it's ben z They've announced their

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 4: profit today one and a half billion. And then they're

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Speaker 4: revealed that they're going to force farmers that they leand

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Speaker 4: to to cut the climate emissions, but only in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Only New zealandairy farmers will have to cut their emissions.

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Speaker 4: Australian dairy farmers absolutely fine. Benzid's parent company NAB They're

1359
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Speaker 4: just going to lend to the Australian dairy farmers like you.

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Speaker 4: Here you go, how much money do you want? Have

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Speaker 4: some money fart away, burp a way ruin the climate.

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Speaker 4: You all the money New Zealand dairy farmers. No, no,

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01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 4: no money for you unless you stop that fart. What's

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01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: going on with the banks number one, overreach mate, not

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: your place, not your place to be doing this and

1366
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 4: telling people to cut a mission since we are you

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01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 4: the carbon police. But also number two, what's up with

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Speaker 4: the double standard? Because this feels awfully like giving a

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Speaker 4: competitive advantage to our mates over the Tasman and making

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Speaker 4: sure that we can't compete quite on the same level

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Speaker 4: playing field. That's not cool anyway. CEO of B and

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Speaker 4: Z's going to be in front of the Banking Inquiry

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Speaker 4: at Parliament eleventh of December, and I hope they ask

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01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,479
Speaker 4: him questions about this. Rob Fife.

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Speaker 2: Next, we have Business Insight the Business Hour. We're the

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Speaker 2: header due to c Allen and my hr on NewsX B.

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Speaker 4: Evening. Coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay on

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Speaker 4: what I was just talking to you about, which is

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: the bank's treating our dairy farmers way more harshly than

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Speaker 4: Assey dairy farmers. Sam Dickey on the market reaction to

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Speaker 4: Trump hint the market went nuts and Liam dan on

1382
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 4: what Trump actually plans to do economically over in the States.

1383
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 4: Is coming up eight past six now at one hundred million,

1384
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: this is probably New Zealand's most expensive startup and today

1385
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 4: Recorp has finally started up. It's opened its new aluminium facility.

1386
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: Now the company wants to become a big player in

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Speaker 4: the packaging industry, focusing on aluminum cans and also bottles,

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 4: and it's attracted big name investors like Annamobraid, the rich

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Speaker 4: lister and former and New Zealand executive Rob Fight, who

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Speaker 4: is actually the chair and is with us now, Hey, Rob, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 4: Rob this one. We have been following this story for

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Speaker 4: such a long time. It feels like it's been such

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 4: a long It has been so long in the works.

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01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: I mean to be fair longer for you than for me,

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: because you've been there from the outset outset, so you

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 4: must be stoked to get the thing opened. When do

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Speaker 4: you do your first runn of cans?

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Speaker 15: We're actually already done our first run, so over the

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Speaker 15: last week or two we've produced about one and a

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Speaker 15: half million cans, which is just.

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Speaker 5: To get going.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, it kind of feels pretty elated to have

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Speaker 15: the official opening today. But at the same time, it's

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01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 15: relief as much as anything else. Why relief, Well, you know,

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 15: for anyone that's built a house, you pour money into

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 15: a hole in the ground for a long, long time.

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 15: It's really only at the final stage that it takes

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 15: shape and you kind of get a sense of what

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 15: that had hard work is going to realize in terms

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01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 15: of the end result. And this project's been like that,

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01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 15: and I've been going for three years a lot of money,

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 15: and it's you know, it's kind of just in the

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 15: last couple of months finally you kind of see this

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01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 15: whole thing taking shape and there's product coming out at

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 15: the end, and it's like, wow, now we can actually

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 15: get out there and start making a difference.

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Speaker 4: And making some money. The first one and a half

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Speaker 4: million cans have they been sold.

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Speaker 15: They have so pretty much everything we make is specific

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 15: to order for customers. And the challenge with this plant

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01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 15: in New Zealand, you know you buy all the all

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Speaker 15: the plant equipment from offshore and offshore markets. You know,

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 15: if you're in the US and you're making cans for

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 15: I don't know, Budweiser, then you know they'll do a

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Speaker 15: run of a million or two many cans at a time.

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Speaker 15: We was here in the New Zealand market, you know,

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Speaker 15: it was so small, so you know, Behemoth might want

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 15: thirty thousand cans at a time, or garage project wants

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 15: sixty thousand, and the equipment isn't traditionally been set up

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 15: to do really short runs efficiently, so we've had to

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 15: design this plant in a way that isn't like any

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 15: other plant in the world, and that's created a lot

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 15: of complexity and all sorts of challenges. But we'll solve

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 15: those challenges and we've built a plant that's specifically designed

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Speaker 15: for the scale of the New Zealand marketplace and we're

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Speaker 15: pretty excited about that.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of a time to be opening a

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Speaker 4: plant like this with manufacturing shutting down all over the

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 4: place because of power prices.

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Speaker 15: Did that worry you, Yeah, yeah, it did worry. So,

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01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 15: you know, it's one of the topics we discussed with

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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister. In our first year of operation. I

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 15: think we'll spend probably five times more on electricity then

1444
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 15: we'll spend on staff cost and the plant example, So

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 15: we're very sensitive to both electricity in guests. So it

1446
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 15: is a concern and they're not issues that are going

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01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 15: to be solved in the short term. But you know,

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 15: I do believe that the government is committing to putting

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Speaker 15: us on a path where we're going to increase our

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01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 15: capacity over the coming years.

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Speaker 4: When you said putting us on a path, you mean

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 4: the entire country on a path.

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 15: The entire entire country looking at how we can invest

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 15: in more renewables, and clearly you know they're having a

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01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 15: close look at what we can do with natural guests

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 15: and so on.

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01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 4: Now you, Robert also involved to me, you've got your

1458
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 4: fingers in a lot of pies, but you're also involved

1459
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 4: at Craggi Range Winery. Are you worried about those promised

1460
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 4: tariffs from Donald Trump?

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Speaker 15: You know, we're a small trading nation that relies a

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01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 15: lot on market access. You kind of have to see

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 15: the full picture, right He's talking about increasing terrorifts, but

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,440
Speaker 15: at the same time he's talking about text cuts domestically.

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 15: So ultimately it's all about affordability. And you know, the

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 15: advantage we have is New Zealand. You know, our biggest

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 15: wine export into the US is Savignon blanc. The Californians

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 15: have been trying to replicate the flavor of the wines

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01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 15: we produce in New Zealand here for some time and

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Speaker 15: just haven't been able to kind of crack that nut.

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Speaker 15: So I'm confident ultimately that you know, if you love

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Speaker 15: a New Zealand savyon blanc and the price goes up

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01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 15: by you know, however many dollars. Does that mean you're

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01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 15: going to stop drinking that wine and drink something you

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 15: don't like it?

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 4: Probably not?

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 15: Probably not so, particularly if you've had particularly if you've

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 15: had text cuts and you've got more disposable income and

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 15: your wallet and so on. So I think we've got

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01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 15: to be optimistic and back ourselves that will kind of

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01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 15: be able to adapt to whatever whatever regime unfolds.

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: And also you have to believe he's actually going to

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 4: do it right. And the thing that you keep hearing

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 4: about him is he's extremely transactional and he could be

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: talked out of things because, for example, he gave us

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 4: the steel tariffs, but he was talked out of giving

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 4: Ossie the steel tariffs. So if we if we had

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01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 4: him really hard diplomatically, we may be able to get.

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Speaker 3: Out of it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I agree with that. I think, you know, I

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 15: heard once some Peter's on earlier on your program, you know,

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Speaker 15: And I think the way that at a political level

1493
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 15: that we play the next you know, three four or

1494
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 15: five months is going to be absolutely critical in terms

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01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 15: of how we set ourselves up to manage this scenario.

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 15: And you know there's some countries I being listening to

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 15: some of the commentary today, there's some countries that are

1498
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 15: clearly on the back foot because of positions have taken

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,879
Speaker 15: against them, you know, the president or about to be president.

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Speaker 5: And I think in that.

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 15: Regard, I think we're in a pretty good position here

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01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 15: in I reckon.

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: You're right reason to be optimistic. Hey, Rob, thank you

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01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 4: very much. By the way, what should I go and

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01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 4: buy if I want to get my hands on a

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 4: Recorp can? What should I be buying?

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01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,919
Speaker 15: Well, Garage Project one of our first customers, fantastic behemoth.

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01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 15: Get into some of that great New Zealand craft beer.

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 15: Great place to start.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you're telling a pregnant lady to drink beer, so

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 4: we'll just we'll just remember.

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Speaker 6: That, Rob.

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Speaker 4: They do some zero alcohol ones at Garage Project. Hey,

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 4: thanks Rob, look after yourself the s Rob five Recorp

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 4: Chair Strategic Advisor at Craigie Range Winery as well. Listen

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01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 4: to this. I thought this was fascinating. I was reading

1517
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 4: the Economists the other day and apparently, according to them,

1518
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 4: the next big thing that Japan's going to start exporting

1519
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 4: is fancy toilets. Now, if you've been to Japan, you

1520
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: know what I mean when I say fancy toilets, right ours,

1521
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 4: ours are basic our. They would look at ours and

1522
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 4: be like, what is this nineteen seventy five version of

1523
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: a toilet? These guys in Japan, as a matter of

1524
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: absolute course, like it is so normal in every house.

1525
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 4: They've got toilets with B days and toilets with blow dryers,

1526
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 4: Like you can sit on it, do you ease? Then

1527
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 4: you can get the B day, Then you can get

1528
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 4: your nice stuff, a nice blow drying down there. Then

1529
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 4: they have the deodorant to spin. It just goes off

1530
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 4: from within the toilet as well. You've got temperature control

1531
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 4: of the water coming it. You can decide if you

1532
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 4: want it colder, if you want it warmer, if you

1533
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 4: want it scolding hot, can have that heated seats the

1534
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 4: whole lot. They've got the flashes like Ferrari toilets. They

1535
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 4: have been doing this since nineteen eighty, but for some reason,

1536
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 4: the flash toilet just hasn't caught on in the West

1537
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 4: and the way that it has in Japan. But now

1538
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 4: it might at least this is what they're going to

1539
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 4: try and do and the reason it might. First of all,

1540
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 4: the first reason is that heaps of us have traveled

1541
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 4: to Japan, been there and been like, oh, that's so

1542
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 4: interesting ideas that you've got here, and so we're probably

1543
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 4: open to wanting. Like if a fancy toilet turned up

1544
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 4: at your local plumbers, you might not be weirded out

1545
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 4: by it, And I'm like, oh, I saw that in Japan.

1546
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 4: I could be quite into that. Also, their problem is

1547
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 4: the market is completely maxed out in Japan. It may

1548
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 4: even be declining because they've got an aging market. People

1549
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 4: are dying and not being replaced right, so they're gonna

1550
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 4: have to find somewhere else to sell this stuff because

1551
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 4: there's just no option to increase the market share in Japan. Also, China,

1552
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 4: which was a big buyer of their stuff, has now

1553
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 4: got a big problem because the property market there is

1554
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 4: in trouble, so they're not building as many new bathrooms

1555
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 4: are they therefore buying the fancy toilets, so might be

1556
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 4: sending it here. The biggest problem we've got is where's

1557
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 4: your closest power outlet to your toilet? It's probably not

1558
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 4: anywhere near the system. So next time, if you are

1559
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 4: so lucky as to be renovating your bathroom or building

1560
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: a new bathroom, or building a new house or whatever.

1561
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 4: Think ahead, put a power outlet there near the touch,

1562
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 4: and then you might be able to get yourself little

1563
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 4: blow drying one sixteen past.

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Speaker 2: Six analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need

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01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 2: to know. On the US selection, It's The Business Hour

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR the HR Solution

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01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 2: for Busy SMEs used talksb.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicity Allen with the Business Hour thanks to

1570
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 2: my HR the HR Solution for Busy SMEs.

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Speaker 1: On News Talks, IB.

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Speaker 4: Jamie mackay is going to be with us shortly, talk

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 4: us through what is up with these Aussie banks going

1574
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 4: hard on our dairy farmers right now nineteen per six. Now,

1575
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has promised Americans he's going to save the

1576
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 4: economy and deal with the cost of living. Liam dan

1577
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 4: is The Herald's Business editor at large and with us. Now, Hey, Liam,

1578
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 4: so is he just going to do it through tax

1579
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 4: cuts and tariffs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it sounds like that's the formula. People are scratching

1582
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 21: ahead of bit as to how it adds up because

1583
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 21: he's promised one account. One count I saw was twelve

1584
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 21: different kinds of tax cut on the campaign trail, which

1585
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 21: talied up to if he did them all, something like

1586
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 21: three trillion dollars out of the US revenue, government revenue

1587
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Speaker 21: over the next ten years. Three trillion dollar US dollars

1588
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 21: is quite a lot, and that of course means you

1589
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 21: need to well, you either need to fund it from somewhere,

1590
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 21: you need to borrow a lot more, which is why bonds.

1591
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 4: But he's also promising to pay down debt. Yeah, see that.

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Speaker 21: There was a British Prime minister who tried tried to

1593
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 21: say all that stuff and it didn't work. Trust was

1594
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 21: sunk by the bond markets because the numbers didn't add up.

1595
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 21: In the bond markets, as they say, are the most

1596
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 21: powerful thing in the universe or in the known world.

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, so it's going to be very interesting. And I

1599
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 21: guess what the issue is how much he decides to

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 21: worry about everything he said on the campaign trail. There's

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Speaker 21: going to be some more tariffs, and there's going to

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 21: be some tax cuts of some sort, so probably corporate,

1603
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 21: and maybe that will stimulate the economy or the rest

1604
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 21: inside America putting aside the tariffs.

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: I mean, also, his timing is great, right, So he

1606
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 4: is taking over presumably as the American economy starts to

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 4: pick up, as we start to get inflation under control,

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: so within a matter of months people will be feeling

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01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 4: better anyway.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, tariffs would be a one off, one off bump.

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 21: They are inflate, they would be inflationary.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's not going to go ahead with the

1613
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: tariff tariffs earlier.

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Speaker 21: Well, the sixty percent is hard to imagine, you know.

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Speaker 21: Do you think he would have to do something to

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01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 21: sort of you know, having having talked about them so much.

1617
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 21: But I mean, I think the numbers are details, right,

1618
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 21: He's not a details guy. So yeah, I think as

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 21: long as he makes some move there, you know. But yeah,

1620
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 21: so look, does it does it fix the economy? He's

1621
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 21: certainly in the right place in the cycle. So it

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 21: wasn't a great place for Joe Biden because well, you know,

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 21: for the Democrats, because inflation is back in the box technically,

1624
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 21: but it doesn't feel like it to people for a while. Yeah,

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 21: because you know, you can tell people that the economy

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01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 21: is great, and I think that was part of the problem.

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 21: That you know, people are being told that the US

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01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 21: economy was great, and they didn't feel like it was great,

1629
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 21: and so it just played into that whole narrative of

1630
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 21: being told by the establishment that they should stop complaining.

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01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. It's going to be an interesting one, as

1632
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 4: you were just saying to me off there, and we

1633
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 4: have to wait until he's an office to really see

1634
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 4: what it does.

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01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 21: A lot of speculation over the next few weeks and months,

1636
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 21: and of course we could go around in circles in

1637
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 21: New Zealand worrying about tariffs and what may or may

1638
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 21: not happen for wine growers and so on. But you know,

1639
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 21: and and the impact on China. But look at the moment,

1640
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 21: markets are very happy, and they're happy because there was

1641
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 21: a clear, clean result and also they can white tax

1642
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 21: hikes off the table yea, and more regulation off the table,

1643
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 21: so your Kiwi savers up and you probably don't have

1644
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 21: to worry about it till at least January twenty or

1645
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 21: whenever the inauguration. So that's your consolateur life. You don't

1646
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 21: like Trump, just and enjoy the market.

1647
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 6: Run.

1648
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, to take the money, Liam, Thank you very much,

1649
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Liam down. The Herald's Business editor at large,

1650
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 4: Yes of the Market says Liam was saying, I loving

1651
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 4: the Trump when dal jones are sold by more than

1652
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred points. The last time it jumped by more

1653
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 4: than a thousand points in a single day was two

1654
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: years ago. S and P five hundred had an all

1655
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: time high. NASDA composite hit an all time high. Bitcoins up,

1656
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 4: the US dollar is up. It's all good news over there.

1657
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 4: Six twenty two, The Rural Report on hither do for

1658
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 4: see allan Drive Jamie mckaye hosts of the Countries with

1659
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 4: Me right now, Jamie.

1660
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 19: Hello, Hello, Yeah, that just before I get stuck into

1661
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 19: the banks. I might just get stuck into your family

1662
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 19: who actually honors the bets and your family because Barry's

1663
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 19: gone to the ground over my Trump.

1664
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: Nothing's toru with me, nothing to do with me. You know,

1665
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 4: he's got he's deranged, you know that about Trump, Like

1666
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 4: he's he is so sad. He doesn't admit this, but

1667
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 4: he's so sad that Carmel has lost because he can't

1668
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 4: believe anybody can vote for Trump.

1669
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 11: That.

1670
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, Jamie. It might take him a while

1671
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: to come around to the idea first he has to

1672
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 4: go through the process of the denial, then the acceptance,

1673
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: then the anger. Then he will pay you your better.

1674
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 19: I might be a seventy eight year old man by

1675
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 19: then tell him to hurry up a bet to bet,

1676
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 19: especially with family too.

1677
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 4: Right now, what is going on with Westpac and as

1678
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 4: it turns out now B and Z as well going

1679
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 4: hard on our dairy farmers and not on the Aussies.

1680
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 19: Don't start me. I heard you just before the six

1681
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 19: o'clock news saying who makes the banks the carbon police?

1682
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 19: And that's exactly what Federated Farmers are saying. And good

1683
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 19: on them. They're Banking Inquiry spokesperson Richard McIntyre. I think

1684
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 19: you might have had him on the show yesterday, did

1685
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 19: you is leading the charge on this and doing a

1686
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 19: good job. So you know, as you said, they're asking

1687
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 19: these Zealand dairy farmers to meet higher a mission reductions

1688
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 19: targets than Ossie farmers. Totally unfair, totally unfair. Absolutely the

1689
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 19: latest banking surveys incidentally, Heather showed that only one and

1690
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 19: eleven farmers supported banks setting climate change targets. As Richard

1691
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 19: McIntyre said, we've already had emission targets that have been

1692
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 19: set by the government, they are who should be setting it.

1693
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 19: And plus to add to that, you've got your milk

1694
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 19: and meat companies dipping in as well, so the banks

1695
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 19: should stay out of it. And what I would say,

1696
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 19: even to those meat and milk companies, Heather, is if

1697
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 19: you want lower emissions farmers at farming, and farmers reward

1698
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 19: the behavior, pay a premium. Where is this wonderful premium

1699
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 19: that we're getting off shore for our lower missions produce

1700
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 19: At the moment, there isn't one. That's why they're not

1701
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 19: paying a premium. When they do, farmers will change their

1702
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 19: behavior or change their farming practice to suit. But I mean,

1703
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 19: we've now got Trump and Barri's mate, he's going to drill,

1704
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 19: baby drill. So to what end are we saving the planet?

1705
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: Oh, Jamie?

1706
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,560
Speaker 4: I mean there is an argument here that the Australian

1707
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 4: owned banks are actually giving Australian dairy farmers a competitive

1708
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 4: advantage over our farmers.

1709
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 19: Oh, it would seem odd. It would seem odd to

1710
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 19: me that one. I don't know. Look, I'm just dead

1711
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 19: against the banks poking their nose at all. I don't

1712
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 19: think Look, they would be better off much better off Heather,

1713
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 19: and hopefully the Banking Inquiry shows this to spend their

1714
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 19: time going through their books and looking at their risk

1715
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 19: margins they've placed upon farming clients and especially some of

1716
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 19: the usurers. Is that the right words are usury? Yeah, okay,

1717
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 19: rates they're applying on overdrafts to farmers. Look, you can

1718
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 19: talk about security and farms having higher risks than residential lending,

1719
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 19: but I put it to you, if you've got a

1720
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 19: farm with say fifty percent equity, remember these same banks

1721
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 19: are lending on residential properties with eighty sometimes ninety percent,

1722
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 19: borrowing ten percent, ten or twenty percent equity. You can't

1723
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 19: tell me that if you'll lend them to a farm

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Speaker 19: with fifty percent equity or better. But if it all

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01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 19: turned to custard, you can't sell them out and get

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 19: your money back in a reasonably short period of time. Look,

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01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 19: they are safe as houses. To use the bad pun.

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Speaker 4: Now as a fair point to make. Jamie, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much as always, Jamie McKay, host of the Country Right.

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01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: Sam Dickey on the market reaction with us to Trump

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01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 4: Obviously headline's next m.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Allen and my

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Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news dogsb.

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Speaker 4: Heather rob Fide listens toill so well done. I noticed.

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Speaker 4: I collect them all in my head in a little

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Speaker 4: file down and you're listening, you'll listening, you're listening, and

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Speaker 4: then I give them an easy time when they're on

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 4: and if they don't, not not at all, I'm not

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01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 4: going very well. By the way. For the Mongols for

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 4: their five year anniversary party, I'm very very very pleased

1742
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 4: to say you so, to tell you so. They were

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01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 4: supposed to be having this big knees up this weekend

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Speaker 4: in christ Church to mark the five years since the

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01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 4: gang set up here in twenty nineteen. I know, yay,

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 4: yay for you. Anyway, a bunch of them have been

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01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 4: stopped at the border trying to get in. So it's

1748
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 4: being reported that a handful of Australian based mong Gooals

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Speaker 4: members have been barred entry in the last twenty four hours.

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01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 4: And that's about the best gang news I've had in

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01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 4: ages twenty three away from seven ever, due for clas

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01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 4: we the Trump victory has resulted in some very sharp

1753
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 4: price moves and the asset prices around the world. As

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01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: we've been discussing, equities have rallied sharply, bonds have sold off.

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Speaker 4: Question is what's the early read from the markets? What

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Speaker 4: does it all mean for investors? Sam Dickie from Fisher

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Speaker 4: Funds is with us. Hey Sam, he okay, what very well?

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Speaker 15: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: What did the equity markets think of the victory?

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Speaker 12: Then globally couldia big moments across the board in it's

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01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 12: nacy classes, but equally strong reaction, so about three percent

1762
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 12: up globally, But it was very US centric, so it

1763
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 12: was a general backdrop the markets bullish corporate tax cuts,

1764
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 12: as bullish less regulation, as bullsh less red tape, and

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01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 12: it's sort of pro growth domestic infrastructure spending. But moving

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 12: to bonds and they sold off, which is the same

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01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 12: thing as saying interest rates went happened. This was one

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Speaker 12: thing to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: So if you look at.

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Speaker 12: US bond yields now, they're back at levels we saw

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Speaker 12: way back in July, which was before we saw that

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Speaker 12: bid repricing and feed rate cuts. So people are bidding

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 12: there that Trump will drive inflation and growth higher, which

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Speaker 12: means higher interest rates.

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Speaker 4: Can you read into it how much they're expecting the

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Speaker 4: interest rates and the inflation to increase.

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Speaker 12: You can't you can't necessarily map a moving interest rates

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01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 12: to a moving inflation. But if you look at what

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01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 12: the market's pricing in terms of rate cuts by the

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Speaker 12: feed twelve months ahead. Back in July, the market was

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Speaker 12: pricing five rate cuts and then when as far as

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Speaker 12: pricing sort of seven or eight rate cuts at one

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01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 12: point in time. Now they're only pricing free rate cuts

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Speaker 12: and the twelve months ahead.

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Speaker 19: So people are.

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Speaker 12: Expecting that the Trump's going to be reflationary and drive growth,

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Speaker 12: which means the Fed need to cut rates less quickly.

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Speaker 4: YEA interesting, okay, And obviously we've seen the currencies move.

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Speaker 4: Their USD has gone up, Crypto's gone up. How far

1790
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Speaker 4: do you see crypto going off the.

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Speaker 12: Back of this, Well, I mean there's a couple of

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Speaker 12: things coming on here right as one of these obviously

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Speaker 12: very probate coin and I think he said make America

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Speaker 12: at the crypto capital of the planet.

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Speaker 1: So that's all go.

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Speaker 12: And the other thing is which I don't agree with

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Speaker 12: this one, is that some people see cryptos as good

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Speaker 12: inflation heads. Often fation goes up cryptos it's good place

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Speaker 12: to be. Now, that's was not true during the twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty two inflationskes a bit corn actually fell by seventy

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Speaker 12: five percent as the far far ago. Either the other

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Speaker 12: people out outside of me, you will be able to

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Speaker 12: give the answer that, or the will be able the

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Speaker 12: answer to that.

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Speaker 4: It's a fascinating one to look at. What have you

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Speaker 4: seen in equities across countries and the cross sectors that

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01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 4: you're fascinated by.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely the US is the winner, which shouldn't come

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01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 12: as any surprise. But you know, look at New Zealand, Australia,

1810
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 12: European and emerging market equipments. They're basically fat and everyone's

1811
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 12: watching China obviously give given the rhetoric, and that was

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Speaker 12: weakest running into the election, but it's held up okay

1813
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 12: since So that's that's mildly interesting. But under the hood

1814
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Speaker 12: in the US is where all the actions being and

1815
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 12: some huge moves there. So perceived winners are domestic facing

1816
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Speaker 12: in this sectors. So to give you a few names,

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 12: US steal companies up thirteen percent. Is everyone is expecting

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Speaker 12: the first TARIFFY will throw in China will be steered

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Speaker 12: back back in twenty sixteen twenty seven. Yours auto manufacturers

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Speaker 12: are like Forward up five six percent, but this competition

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Speaker 12: from important waders and of course Tesla is up fourteen

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Speaker 12: percent because Trumper's mates with Elon and U is trucking

1823
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Speaker 12: in rail company about ten percent, partly driven by this

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Speaker 12: environmental and emission regulation. And this was quite surprising. Is

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Speaker 12: giant banks JP Morgan up ten percent overnight because he's

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Speaker 12: talking less regulation and any roles to perceive losers. Saw

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Speaker 12: the companies down twelve He said that they are part

1828
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 12: of the new doing scan and his proposed tariffs that

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Speaker 12: will impact that sector go figure. And just ranom on

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Speaker 12: cannabis stocks down twenty percent. He's not in favor of

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Speaker 12: legalized cannabis. But coincidentally, there was a couple of proposals

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Speaker 12: today yesterday I think legalized marijuana and Florida and other

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01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 12: states that failed. So outside of that, the only other

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Speaker 12: big moves were interest rates sensitive companies, but property and

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Speaker 12: utilities they went down because they want to benefit from

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Speaker 12: this big growth Bernanda that's supposed to come, but they

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01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 12: will get hurt by highlight interest rates.

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Speaker 4: So what for investors to be thinking about with all

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01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 4: the stuff going on ome.

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Speaker 12: Huge move, and I only think it called the market

1841
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 12: by surprise. I mean, most betting markets were expecting him

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Speaker 12: to win, so it shouldn't have covered such a shock.

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Speaker 12: But I suspect the market was remembering twenty sixteen too well.

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01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 12: So remember the market was convinced he win and win,

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01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 12: and in the unlikely event he did, markets would nose

1846
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 12: dive and they got burnt on both accounts. So maybe

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Speaker 12: once twice shy, Sam, thanks.

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Speaker 4: Very much, appreciated interesting times ahead for you, Sam Dickey.

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Speaker 4: Fisher funds back here. Obviously, if there's inflation over it,

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01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 4: you know, if the tariffs are inflationary, they will inflate,

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01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 4: they will it will eventually impact us. The Reserve Bank

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01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 4: here reckons that a Donald Trump presidency is definitely inflationary

1853
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 4: for us, but only at the margins. The Deputy Governor,

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01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 4: Christian Hawksby actually appeared today at a Parliamentary Select committee.

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Speaker 4: He was asked about this and he said, basically, because

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Speaker 4: of the tariffs which hike the prices, because of the

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01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 4: tax cuts for Americans which encourage spending and stuff like that,

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01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, there will be tariff and there

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01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 4: will be inflationary increases on the margin. It's a higher

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01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 4: inflation package than the alternative, but one that is very

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Speaker 4: much manageable. In the Brady Nicks seventeen Away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with Hither Duple s Allen and My the HR solution

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Speaker 2: for busy SMS on News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Zibby in the Brady is our UK correspondent this evening,

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Speaker 4: Hey d hey head.

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Speaker 24: They're great to speak to again.

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Speaker 4: So Win is Stama going to host Trump in the UK?

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01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 24: So, first of all, there are plans for Starmer to

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01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 24: visit the United States and meet him in the Oval Office,

1871
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 24: but there will be an invitation for Trump to come

1872
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 24: and they're going to ask him to speak in Parliament

1873
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 24: in London. Now they know he is a transactional president.

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01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 24: He is a very transactional man. We know that from

1875
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 24: past experience and everything he has said. There was a

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01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 24: feeling that because he had the big state visit with

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Speaker 24: the Queen and he spent time privately with her, there

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01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 24: was a feeling that there's not a great deal more

1879
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 24: that the UK has to offer Donald Trump, but they

1880
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 24: feel that they might just appeal to his ego by

1881
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 24: inviting him to speak in Arliament, so let's see. But

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01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 24: I mean there's a lot concern about what this now

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01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 24: means for the UK relationship, the UK economy, defense, Europe,

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01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 24: climate change, I mean everything. You would hope. They've been

1885
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 24: planning for him to win. And I think Starmer's not stupid.

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Speaker 24: I think that's why he went and spent time with

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Speaker 24: them in New York. They had that dinner, they seemed

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01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 24: to hit it off. But then of course it was

1889
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 24: torpedoed a bit a few short weeks later when Starmar's

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Speaker 24: head of operations, Sophia Patel, posted on LinkedIn and said,

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Speaker 24: I've got a few spots available if you want to

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Speaker 24: go to America and campaign for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 6: Trump went mental over that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now, how is that going to impact things? Because

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Speaker 4: that seems to me like probably at this stage the

1896
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 4: biggest problem.

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Speaker 24: Yeah. I think because he's won, I think he won't

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01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 24: care now. It would have been more fuel for the

1899
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 24: fire had he lost. There would have been claims of

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Speaker 24: foreign interference in the election, despite the fact that the

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01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 24: Trump campaign had Elon Musk going around giving out million

1902
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 24: dollars here, million dollars there. Where Nigel Farage turned up

1903
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 24: at the victory party. You know it's I don't know.

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01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 24: We're in for a strange time. But as I said

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Speaker 24: to my team yesterday, it's going to be an interesting

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01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 24: four years.

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Speaker 4: Quite, isn't it he Now, what is Robbie Williams down

1908
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 4: to upset his neighbors?

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Speaker 24: Well, another neighborly row in Holland Park, which is where

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01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 24: all the multi multi squillionaires live in a very posh

1911
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Speaker 24: part of West London. Previously, Robbie Williams famously fell out

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Speaker 24: with Jimmy Page, the Led Zeppelin guitarist who lives on

1913
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 24: the other side of Robbie's mansion, because there was construction

1914
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 24: work going on and Jimmy Page felt it was like

1915
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 24: living inside a heavy metal band with the noise and

1916
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 24: the ambition and just the constant traffic of construction. Now

1917
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 24: a neighbor on the other side seems to be upset

1918
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Speaker 24: because Robbie has put in plans to cut down a

1919
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 24: Norwegian maple tree that has some sort of fungus on it.

1920
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Speaker 24: The neighbor unnamed and anonymous, so I'm guessing it's not

1921
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 24: Jimmy Page or the papers would have had that. The

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01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 24: neighbor is basically saying that this can be treated, and

1923
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 24: it's an old tree and it should be left there,

1924
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 24: and who's Robbie Williams to do this? So let's see

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01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 24: what the council decide. But then, yeah, Robbie Williams entertaining

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Speaker 24: the neighbors.

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Speaker 4: Hey, is Camilla going to be well enough to attend

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Speaker 4: Remembrance Day? Do you think the.

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Speaker 1: Whisper is yes.

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Speaker 24: She's had a quiet week recovering in Wheelchurch. She came

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Speaker 24: back from this big foreign trip.

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Speaker 19: You know.

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Speaker 24: They went to Australia, you know, because of Charles's situation,

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Speaker 24: New Zealand was removed from the itinerary. Then they ended

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Speaker 24: up in Samoa, and then they hit India and some

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Speaker 24: spa resort place that Camilla apparently loves on the way back.

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Speaker 24: So it was a long old trip. And remember Charles,

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Speaker 24: with the cancer treatment and everything. Camilla has come back

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Speaker 24: with quite a bad chest infection. We're told she's recuperating

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Speaker 24: this week. A lot of conspiracy theorists here having a

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Speaker 24: field day saying hang on. There was a big story

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Speaker 24: in the papers at the weekend, massive investigation into the

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Speaker 24: Royal money train and how they charge because they own

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Speaker 24: so much land they're charging schools, prisons, charities, mining rights,

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Speaker 24: you name it. Money is flowing up to Charles and William.

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Speaker 24: So a lot of people were saying, well, it's very

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Speaker 24: convenient that Camill has suddenly gone sick for a week.

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Speaker 24: I think she'll be back and I think they'll do

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Speaker 24: their duty on remember on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Good luck tomorrow night Ininda.

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Speaker 24: Yes, it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: You look.

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Speaker 24: Look my brother who is a rugby expert and lives

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Speaker 24: for the game. He quite frankly, he summed it up.

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Speaker 24: He said, three out of four years we're number one

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Speaker 24: team in the world.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to be diplomatic on this show. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna tell you now. I'm ready for you to thresh us.

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Speaker 4: So you're welcome to dis close if you want to

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Speaker 4: ahead of time.

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Speaker 5: Oh look, it's what we do.

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Speaker 24: We play amazing rugby in between world yepes and then

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Speaker 24: we turn up and it all goes wrong.

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Speaker 5: But we believe our own hype.

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Speaker 24: That is our problem with Ireland.

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Speaker 4: But there we are brilliant, brilliance. I love it in

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Speaker 4: the look after yourself, enjoy the game and we have

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Speaker 4: a chat again next week about it. Into Brady are

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Speaker 4: UK correspondent Listen. Infertil has confirmed that it is going

1970
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Speaker 4: to be joining the Morgan Stanley Capital International All Country

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Speaker 4: World Index. Now this is significant because Infertilla is in

1972
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Speaker 4: and Spark is out. Now important that Spark is out

1973
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Speaker 4: because what this means, basically how this works is global

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Speaker 4: passive funds basically just tigre proportion of their investments to

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Speaker 4: this particular fund. It's called the MSCI, and so they

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Speaker 4: just buy whatever is in it and sell whatever's not

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Speaker 4: in it. And it appears that already this change has

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Speaker 4: been priced in because Spark shares have been going down

1979
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Speaker 4: for ages and Infertil shares today already would going down.

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Speaker 4: They were not reflecting the news, right. You would expect

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Speaker 4: that if this was news to everybody, Spark would suddenly dip,

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Speaker 4: an Infertil would sudden shoot up. It hasn't happened, so

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Speaker 4: it looks like it's been priced in. But yeah, the

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Speaker 4: bad news for Spark investors just will does not end,

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Speaker 4: does it?

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Speaker 2: Nine away from seven, getting ready for a new administration

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Speaker 2: in the US, What will be the impact?

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Speaker 1: It's the business hour?

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Speaker 2: Where hither duplicillen and my HR the HR solution for

1990
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Speaker 2: busy news talk sa'd.

1991
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Speaker 4: Be okay, four or six away from seven. So emotions

1992
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 4: were running high during the TV broadcasts of the US

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Speaker 4: election last night. If you watched CNN, actually, can I

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Speaker 4: just say observation, right, I've never actually sat down and

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Speaker 4: watched Fox News, and so last night when CNN went

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Speaker 4: to ads, we'd flick over to Fox News and then

1997
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Speaker 4: we'd flick back again and stuff. Fox News is a

1998
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Speaker 4: thousand times more interesting than CNNCN.

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Speaker 1: Is pouring like.

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Speaker 4: Fox News has just got a lot of people talking

2001
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 4: all the time, and it's very fast paced. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: never mind, that doesn't matter. That's just an observation kind

2003
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Speaker 4: of see why a lot of people are watching it

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Speaker 4: for CNN may want to think about the content. Anyway,

2005
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Speaker 4: Van Jones was losing his mind. Oh he's the black guy,

2006
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 4: and he was like, no, people did not want to

2007
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Speaker 4: vote for a black woman. And I was like, well,

2008
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's the problem, but you tell yourself

2009
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Speaker 4: that mate. Anyway, he's a bit like that. Anyway. On

2010
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Speaker 4: Channel four, the UK journalist Emily Maitlist, you know, the

2011
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Speaker 4: one who did the Prince interview, Prince Andrew interview, was

2012
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 4: on and she was feeling like the emotions and stuff,

2013
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Speaker 4: and she said a naughty word.

2014
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Speaker 1: When Donald Trump talked about the eating cats and dogs.

2015
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Speaker 22: At half of America was just thinking, this is about

2016
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Speaker 22: I can't believe what he's saying.

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Speaker 5: This is going to be the end of the end.

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Speaker 4: And I will I mean, I'll tell off later.

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Speaker 21: But because I know she started the swearing, but.

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Speaker 6: Maybe the middle of the night in Britain.

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Speaker 10: But they're still a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Sensitive about that stuff.

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Speaker 4: She said, batch it, that's what she said. I said

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Speaker 4: it out loud to you. They beaped it. Because over

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Speaker 4: in the States, Wow, they're weird about swearing in the States.

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Speaker 4: It's weird that seven Because just a couple of days

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Speaker 4: ago I had a freend comeback from the States and

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Speaker 4: we were talking about this. We're talking about how you

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Speaker 4: cannot swear in the States, whereas when you actually reflect

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Speaker 4: on it, in New Zealand, we swear as a matter

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Speaker 4: of course. It's just a describing word, isn't it. It's like,

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Speaker 4: look look at that iffing thing, as opposed to look

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Speaker 4: at that cute thing. Well, look at that thing that

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Speaker 4: makes me ang. We just put the swear ward and

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Speaker 4: just does all the words. It's not it's lazy of us.

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Speaker 4: I understand that. But anyway, in the States, gee wiz,

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Speaker 4: you start swearing at them as just a descriptor and

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Speaker 4: you just you just get out your old kiwi kiwi colloquialism,

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Speaker 4: just have a little bit of a what what batchit?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: Whoa right now? Would be fine, wouldn't we? For me

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Speaker 4: saying batchit three times? Wouldn't we?

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Speaker 13: I don't know what they're calling of the BSA is,

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Speaker 13: but yeah, it's definitely against best standard one I did.

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Speaker 4: I'd be honest with you, even though I am a

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Speaker 4: New Zealander who loves to swear a little lotty saying

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Speaker 4: it's three times on their ants.

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Speaker 13: Yeah maybe maybe let's not trays, I won't talk here.

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Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, Champagne soup and over by Oasis to play

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Speaker 13: us out tonight. Now. The thing we were worried about

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Speaker 13: with you know, if there are a couple of guys

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Speaker 13: who probably don't care about swearing couple things actually the

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Speaker 13: Gallagher brothers, But anyway, we were a bit worried that

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Speaker 13: they might start swearing at each other and fall out

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Speaker 13: and then the tour wouldn't happen. But well, I was

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Speaker 13: gonna say, look, I'm not going to say that's impossible,

2057
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Speaker 13: but the good sign is apparently they've put a whole

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Speaker 13: album together. Liam Gallagher was just chatting to people on

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Speaker 13: XA as you Do, and apparently the album is already

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Speaker 13: in the bag mate, So they've they've been able to

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Speaker 13: work together long enough to actually put an album full

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Speaker 13: of songs together.

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Speaker 4: Now, okay, listen, can we please drop this thing where

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Speaker 4: where like the Gallagher brothers are fighting with each other

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01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 4: and just got like just decided on a whim to

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Speaker 4: have a concert together. I mean, this thing has been

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Speaker 4: in the works clearly on the down load for ages.

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Speaker 23: Right.

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Speaker 4: You don't just you don't just overnight make an album.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: The fact that they suddenly had a website all ready

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01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 13: to go and the news websites all suddenly had it

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Speaker 13: just the right.

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Speaker 4: I've probably been talking with each other for years. They've

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Speaker 4: probably been made the whole time.

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Speaker 13: I think they planned this whole thing so that so

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Speaker 13: that they'd sell more albums when they.

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Speaker 4: Finally did it. Conspiracy theory, the few dis fake O,

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Speaker 4: the feuds fake.

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Speaker 6: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bat shit. See you tomorrow

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