1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:15,907 Speaker 1: from News Talks Edbo, the only place to discuss the 3 00:00:15,947 --> 00:00:20,067 Speaker 1: biggest sports issues on and after field. It's all on 4 00:00:20,147 --> 00:00:23,947 Speaker 1: weekends Ford with Jason Vane on your home of sport 5 00:00:25,347 --> 00:00:25,947 Speaker 1: Used Talks. 6 00:00:27,587 --> 00:00:30,827 Speaker 2: Hello Kiota, good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition 7 00:00:30,867 --> 00:00:34,027 Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport for June sixteenth, Happy birthday a Kedda 8 00:00:34,107 --> 00:00:38,427 Speaker 2: Yowani and Phil Mickelson. I'm Jason Pine, Mark Kelly Show producer. 9 00:00:38,507 --> 00:00:41,947 Speaker 2: Today we're here talking sports until three. We have got 10 00:00:41,987 --> 00:00:45,587 Speaker 2: our Super Rugby Final locked in. They just need to 11 00:00:45,667 --> 00:00:46,547 Speaker 2: give it into touch. 12 00:00:47,627 --> 00:00:50,987 Speaker 3: Save your road doesn't ain't For the second time in 13 00:00:51,107 --> 00:00:55,067 Speaker 3: successive seasons, the Chiefs are headed for the Grand Final. 14 00:00:55,187 --> 00:00:57,107 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not quite as excited as I sound in 15 00:00:57,107 --> 00:00:59,907 Speaker 2: that commentary clip. They'll play the Blues at Eden Park 16 00:00:59,947 --> 00:01:02,107 Speaker 2: next Saturday night. The Chiefs so well done to the Chiefs, 17 00:01:02,227 --> 00:01:04,707 Speaker 2: terrific when over the Canes last night. It'll be the 18 00:01:04,707 --> 00:01:08,707 Speaker 2: Blues against the chief for Super Rugby supremacy in twenty 19 00:01:08,747 --> 00:01:10,867 Speaker 2: twenty four. Going to break that down for you after 20 00:01:10,947 --> 00:01:12,907 Speaker 2: one o'clock. Hope to get the chance to chat to 21 00:01:12,947 --> 00:01:15,867 Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan, head coach of the chiefs keen to get 22 00:01:15,867 --> 00:01:20,507 Speaker 2: your analysis as well. Meantime, the Warriors still can't break 23 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:22,187 Speaker 2: their drought against the Storm. 24 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:28,987 Speaker 3: Lovely Clay fil Hones is brilliance, sir, level. 25 00:01:30,267 --> 00:01:31,747 Speaker 2: Drive the game right there. 26 00:01:32,187 --> 00:01:35,507 Speaker 4: The Storm win by thirty eight points to twenty four. 27 00:01:35,547 --> 00:01:37,347 Speaker 2: They're going to cover that off this afternoon as well, 28 00:01:37,387 --> 00:01:39,347 Speaker 2: and can to get your thoughts on the league and 29 00:01:39,587 --> 00:01:41,907 Speaker 2: on the rugby. First up today though, want to talk 30 00:01:42,027 --> 00:01:45,827 Speaker 2: some cricket with you and to start to chart the 31 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:49,747 Speaker 2: way forward for the black Caps across the format. So 32 00:01:49,787 --> 00:01:53,347 Speaker 2: I want to get your views on the roadmap forward 33 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:57,147 Speaker 2: for our national men's side and how we navigate this 34 00:01:57,267 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 2: current cricketing landscape and all of its moving parts. And 35 00:01:59,907 --> 00:02:03,387 Speaker 2: I want this to be a solutions based discussion. I 36 00:02:03,427 --> 00:02:05,547 Speaker 2: think you know, we've we've sort of gone past the 37 00:02:05,587 --> 00:02:08,587 Speaker 2: point of just bagging, you know, people for the sake 38 00:02:08,627 --> 00:02:11,227 Speaker 2: of bagging them. Let's let's try and find a way 39 00:02:11,267 --> 00:02:14,587 Speaker 2: forward in terms of navigating how you know, we can 40 00:02:14,947 --> 00:02:18,147 Speaker 2: we can negotiate the you know, the franchise cricket that 41 00:02:18,267 --> 00:02:22,107 Speaker 2: is growing exponentially around the world, and our international sides 42 00:02:22,507 --> 00:02:26,227 Speaker 2: and our continued performance at a high level. Chris Ken's 43 00:02:26,507 --> 00:02:28,187 Speaker 2: is standing by to chat with us on that. Then 44 00:02:28,227 --> 00:02:30,267 Speaker 2: I want to open the lines for your calls other 45 00:02:30,307 --> 00:02:33,747 Speaker 2: matters around today. With less than six weeks now until 46 00:02:33,747 --> 00:02:36,227 Speaker 2: the start of the Olympic Games, our Road to Powis 47 00:02:36,267 --> 00:02:41,107 Speaker 2: feature continues after two double Olympic medalist in the fifteen 48 00:02:41,227 --> 00:02:45,227 Speaker 2: hundred meters and five time Olympian Nick Willis is with 49 00:02:45,387 --> 00:02:48,827 Speaker 2: us on the show. The European Football Championship under way. 50 00:02:48,867 --> 00:02:51,667 Speaker 2: We're in Germany to assess prospects for the month ahead 51 00:02:51,987 --> 00:02:56,027 Speaker 2: with German based football writer Sebastian Stafford blew up conra 52 00:02:56,067 --> 00:02:58,267 Speaker 2: At Smith with us this afternoon as well. He's been 53 00:02:58,387 --> 00:03:03,027 Speaker 2: refereeing grassroots rugby in Taranaki this season. We'll have a 54 00:03:03,067 --> 00:03:05,507 Speaker 2: chat to him about that, and James mcconey along of course, 55 00:03:05,547 --> 00:03:08,907 Speaker 2: in his regular day slot at around one forty five 56 00:03:09,427 --> 00:03:11,627 Speaker 2: Live Sport while we're on the air. T twenty Cricket 57 00:03:11,627 --> 00:03:16,147 Speaker 2: World Cup Australia v Scotland from twelve thirty now. Australia 58 00:03:16,227 --> 00:03:20,027 Speaker 2: already threw to the Super eights. Scotland need to win 59 00:03:20,107 --> 00:03:22,267 Speaker 2: this game if they are to advance, and there's been 60 00:03:23,067 --> 00:03:27,627 Speaker 2: the suggestion of some skull duggery here. Australia know that 61 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:31,187 Speaker 2: if they lose to Scotland then England will be knocked out. 62 00:03:31,347 --> 00:03:33,587 Speaker 2: It was brought up in a press conference earlier in 63 00:03:33,627 --> 00:03:37,107 Speaker 2: the week and yeah, look, I don't for a second 64 00:03:37,107 --> 00:03:39,787 Speaker 2: expect Australia to take it easy and lose to Scotland 65 00:03:39,827 --> 00:03:42,427 Speaker 2: just to knock England out. But well it's a possibility. 66 00:03:42,467 --> 00:03:43,787 Speaker 2: We'll keep a close eye on that one for you. 67 00:03:44,027 --> 00:03:46,987 Speaker 2: Closing stages of round three at Golf's US Open at Pinehurst, 68 00:03:47,067 --> 00:03:50,867 Speaker 2: Number two Bryson D Chambeau is the outright leader. He's 69 00:03:50,867 --> 00:03:54,547 Speaker 2: playing the eighteenth. He's seven under three seventeen holes, a 70 00:03:54,667 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 2: three shot lead from Matthieu Paven, Rory McElroy and Patrick Kantlid, 71 00:04:00,347 --> 00:04:02,867 Speaker 2: who are all in the clubhouse at four under the cup. 72 00:04:03,107 --> 00:04:06,227 Speaker 2: Ryan Fox earlier today firing a six over seventy six 73 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:09,227 Speaker 2: in his third round that has him in a share 74 00:04:09,227 --> 00:04:11,947 Speaker 2: of sixty fifth at eleven over the card. Round three 75 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:14,107 Speaker 2: in football's Chatham Cup this afternoon to a few games 76 00:04:14,107 --> 00:04:16,027 Speaker 2: to keep an eye on there. Please get in touch 77 00:04:16,067 --> 00:04:18,267 Speaker 2: whenever you like on the show. We would love to 78 00:04:18,307 --> 00:04:21,227 Speaker 2: hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty gets 79 00:04:21,267 --> 00:04:23,027 Speaker 2: you throw on the phone. That's a free call nine 80 00:04:23,147 --> 00:04:26,947 Speaker 2: to nine two if you would prefer to correspond via text, 81 00:04:27,027 --> 00:04:29,747 Speaker 2: or you can send us an email Jason at NEWSTALKSEB 82 00:04:29,947 --> 00:04:32,907 Speaker 2: dot co dot Nz coming up eleven past midday. 83 00:04:34,427 --> 00:04:37,067 Speaker 1: The schoons from the track, fields and the court on 84 00:04:37,187 --> 00:04:40,587 Speaker 1: your home of sort weekends for it with Jason. 85 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:41,667 Speaker 5: Vine Us talks NB. 86 00:04:42,307 --> 00:04:44,387 Speaker 2: So the T twenty Cricket World Cup will go into 87 00:04:44,427 --> 00:04:48,467 Speaker 2: its Super eight stages without New Zealand's involvement. Losses to 88 00:04:48,507 --> 00:04:50,747 Speaker 2: Afghanistan and the West Indies have put paid to the 89 00:04:50,747 --> 00:04:54,227 Speaker 2: black Caps chances. They accounted comfortably, of course, for Uganda 90 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:57,827 Speaker 2: by nine wickets yesterday, and they'll complete their tournament against 91 00:04:57,827 --> 00:05:00,347 Speaker 2: Papa New Guinea in the early hours of Tuesday morning. 92 00:05:00,627 --> 00:05:03,787 Speaker 2: One of the great New Zealand all rounders is Chris Kens. 93 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:07,267 Speaker 2: He played sixty two Test matches, two hundred and fifteen 94 00:05:07,547 --> 00:05:10,947 Speaker 2: One Day internationals in two T twenty internationals for the 95 00:05:10,987 --> 00:05:13,747 Speaker 2: black Caps in a career which spanned from nineteen eighty 96 00:05:13,827 --> 00:05:17,267 Speaker 2: nine to two thousand and six. Perhaps his finest moment 97 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:20,627 Speaker 2: was in the final of the two thousand ICC Knockout 98 00:05:20,667 --> 00:05:23,227 Speaker 2: Trophy against India in Nairobi. 99 00:05:23,387 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 6: Flow of all that's kennesas one hundred. What a fineingings 100 00:05:26,307 --> 00:05:28,347 Speaker 6: that is punches the air in delight. 101 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:30,227 Speaker 2: That is a marvelous. 102 00:05:29,787 --> 00:05:32,227 Speaker 6: Effort for the man who wasn't even sure he was 103 00:05:32,267 --> 00:05:35,187 Speaker 6: going to play this morning. One hundred from one hundred 104 00:05:35,227 --> 00:05:37,867 Speaker 6: and ten balls. Remember, if the scores a level, we 105 00:05:37,987 --> 00:05:40,507 Speaker 6: have a bowl out. Cans has to go over the top. 106 00:05:40,587 --> 00:05:44,507 Speaker 6: The fielders are crowning him full task, They've got it. 107 00:05:44,707 --> 00:05:48,187 Speaker 6: New Zealand to that worked away for the single that 108 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:52,707 Speaker 6: gives New Zealand victory two sixty five for six. What 109 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:55,947 Speaker 6: a stunning effort that is. New Zealand win this ICC 110 00:05:56,187 --> 00:05:58,547 Speaker 6: knockout trophy by four wickets. 111 00:05:59,867 --> 00:06:01,587 Speaker 2: Chris Kens, who. 112 00:06:01,467 --> 00:06:04,547 Speaker 6: Wasn't even sure that he could play this morning because 113 00:06:04,587 --> 00:06:07,467 Speaker 6: of that injured knee as we got an unbeaten one 114 00:06:07,507 --> 00:06:10,667 Speaker 6: hundred and two understeered New Zealand. 115 00:06:11,107 --> 00:06:12,187 Speaker 5: So a wonderful way. 116 00:06:12,347 --> 00:06:15,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to believe. That's nearly quarter of a century ago. 117 00:06:15,547 --> 00:06:18,787 Speaker 2: Now the year two thousand. Chris Keynes joins us from 118 00:06:18,907 --> 00:06:21,267 Speaker 2: where he lives now in Australia. Chris, thanks for taking 119 00:06:21,307 --> 00:06:22,907 Speaker 2: the time to chat here on news talks. He'd be 120 00:06:23,667 --> 00:06:27,307 Speaker 2: how deeply should we examine New Zealand's exit in the 121 00:06:27,307 --> 00:06:30,027 Speaker 2: group stages of this T twenty Cricket World Cup. 122 00:06:31,427 --> 00:06:35,667 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, it's a good question. I actually I knew 123 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:36,707 Speaker 7: I was going to have a chat to you guys. 124 00:06:36,907 --> 00:06:39,787 Speaker 8: I sort of I thought about it last night and 125 00:06:39,347 --> 00:06:42,507 Speaker 8: I sort of tried to look at, you know, what 126 00:06:42,627 --> 00:06:45,387 Speaker 8: was going on. The negatives are positives, and I then 127 00:06:45,427 --> 00:06:48,227 Speaker 8: sort of had a look at over the last ten years. 128 00:06:48,227 --> 00:06:51,067 Speaker 8: You know, this is an outlier, right, So performance wise, 129 00:06:51,147 --> 00:06:53,427 Speaker 8: I think New Zealand at major tournaments over the last 130 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:55,347 Speaker 8: several years have been tremendous. 131 00:06:55,347 --> 00:06:55,987 Speaker 7: They have been excellent. 132 00:06:56,107 --> 00:07:00,827 Speaker 8: So so given the preparation or lack of it, and 133 00:07:00,867 --> 00:07:03,427 Speaker 8: given what occurred how quickly it was, I don't think 134 00:07:03,427 --> 00:07:04,587 Speaker 8: you can dig too deep into this. 135 00:07:04,747 --> 00:07:05,147 Speaker 7: I really do. 136 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 2: A lot made of the lack of warm up matches 137 00:07:08,547 --> 00:07:11,707 Speaker 2: ahead of the tournament. How much difference might it have 138 00:07:11,907 --> 00:07:14,667 Speaker 2: made if that had a couple of pre tournament hudouts. 139 00:07:15,667 --> 00:07:17,827 Speaker 8: A huge, huge amount of difference because you had guys 140 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:21,947 Speaker 8: as well who were at the IPL but not really playing. 141 00:07:22,027 --> 00:07:23,907 Speaker 8: I mean there was you know a few guys who 142 00:07:23,907 --> 00:07:26,747 Speaker 8: were there for quite some time, you know, sitting on 143 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:28,467 Speaker 8: the sidelines, and you can't beat match played I mean, 144 00:07:28,467 --> 00:07:30,187 Speaker 8: you can, you can net as much as you like, 145 00:07:30,227 --> 00:07:32,387 Speaker 8: you can practice as much as you like. But if 146 00:07:32,467 --> 00:07:36,507 Speaker 8: you're if you're not sort of match fit, then you know, 147 00:07:36,547 --> 00:07:39,107 Speaker 8: that's a that makes a huge amount of difference. And 148 00:07:39,147 --> 00:07:42,107 Speaker 8: then also those rainouts at the beginning of the tournament, 149 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:45,707 Speaker 8: so you know, again I come back, I don't given 150 00:07:45,747 --> 00:07:48,547 Speaker 8: the nature of how quick this thing turns around. Yeah, 151 00:07:48,587 --> 00:07:51,107 Speaker 8: I personally don't think you can look too much into this. 152 00:07:51,187 --> 00:07:53,467 Speaker 8: I mean, I just think it was a performance that 153 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:56,227 Speaker 8: doesn't lie sort of where New Zealand's been out over 154 00:07:56,227 --> 00:07:57,187 Speaker 8: the last several years. 155 00:07:57,387 --> 00:08:01,187 Speaker 2: So it's an outlie. Then for you, Chris, it's it's 156 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:03,547 Speaker 2: nothing too much to worry about. So what should we 157 00:08:04,347 --> 00:08:05,507 Speaker 2: take any lessons from it? 158 00:08:05,547 --> 00:08:05,667 Speaker 9: Though? 159 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:07,267 Speaker 2: How we move forward here? 160 00:08:08,747 --> 00:08:10,867 Speaker 10: Yeah, I suppose you've got to prepare. 161 00:08:10,947 --> 00:08:12,667 Speaker 8: I mean the lessons really are just if you get 162 00:08:12,707 --> 00:08:15,227 Speaker 8: in that situation in a tournament in the you know, 163 00:08:15,307 --> 00:08:16,947 Speaker 8: in the future, you know, what do you do? But 164 00:08:17,107 --> 00:08:19,827 Speaker 8: but you know, given given the nature of you know, 165 00:08:19,907 --> 00:08:22,307 Speaker 8: the things that were out of their control like weather, 166 00:08:22,387 --> 00:08:25,147 Speaker 8: and that's a that's a huge thing. And then you know, 167 00:08:25,187 --> 00:08:27,867 Speaker 8: guys they just look rusty, you know, even with the 168 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:30,747 Speaker 8: bat in the field, especially in that first match as well, 169 00:08:30,747 --> 00:08:34,227 Speaker 8: which again is as an outlier for a New Zealand team. 170 00:08:34,427 --> 00:08:39,027 Speaker 8: So so you know, yeah, you can analyze these things 171 00:08:39,027 --> 00:08:41,347 Speaker 8: to the degree, but I just I just really don't 172 00:08:41,347 --> 00:08:44,387 Speaker 8: think it's worth it in this scenario. That the big 173 00:08:44,427 --> 00:08:46,747 Speaker 8: thing now though, is that you've got the likes of 174 00:08:46,787 --> 00:08:50,827 Speaker 8: South and Bolton, Williamson, some key players coming towards the 175 00:08:50,907 --> 00:08:52,467 Speaker 8: end of their careers, so you know, you're looking at 176 00:08:52,507 --> 00:08:54,827 Speaker 8: contingencies now and sort of moving forward. 177 00:08:54,827 --> 00:08:57,667 Speaker 7: I think the talent I D aspect and what the 178 00:08:57,707 --> 00:08:58,547 Speaker 7: team's going to look like. 179 00:08:58,587 --> 00:09:00,907 Speaker 8: I think that's more prevalent to sort of analyzing the 180 00:09:00,907 --> 00:09:01,947 Speaker 8: performance of this Work Cup. 181 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:04,187 Speaker 2: Have you got a gut feel on on what that 182 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:06,747 Speaker 2: might look like beyond some of the player that you 183 00:09:06,827 --> 00:09:09,787 Speaker 2: talked about, I think not really. 184 00:09:09,987 --> 00:09:12,747 Speaker 8: I think that they'll look I mean, Bolton Sudia are 185 00:09:12,787 --> 00:09:16,547 Speaker 8: still going tremendously well, and you know, and again Williamson 186 00:09:16,947 --> 00:09:18,027 Speaker 8: just keeps tuning it out. 187 00:09:18,147 --> 00:09:20,747 Speaker 7: So whether they've got a couple of years still left. 188 00:09:20,547 --> 00:09:23,827 Speaker 8: In them, you know, only they know, and so you 189 00:09:23,827 --> 00:09:25,947 Speaker 8: know I think that you know, I'm sure Gary Staid 190 00:09:25,947 --> 00:09:29,147 Speaker 8: now will be starting to plan for the future. And 191 00:09:29,187 --> 00:09:32,587 Speaker 8: we saw I think during the home series last summer. 192 00:09:32,787 --> 00:09:34,587 Speaker 8: You know, there's there's young talent coming through in the 193 00:09:34,587 --> 00:09:38,827 Speaker 8: bowling department. You know, we need to identify and bring 194 00:09:38,867 --> 00:09:42,027 Speaker 8: forward a replacement for Williamson. I mean, you know that's 195 00:09:42,027 --> 00:09:43,867 Speaker 8: going to be extremely difficult. I mean, he's a once 196 00:09:43,867 --> 00:09:46,187 Speaker 8: in a generation player, so so people are going to 197 00:09:46,187 --> 00:09:48,547 Speaker 8: have to start stepping up. But I do think that 198 00:09:48,587 --> 00:09:50,187 Speaker 8: there needs to be some planning now sort of for 199 00:09:50,267 --> 00:09:51,707 Speaker 8: you know, going forward for the future. 200 00:09:52,147 --> 00:09:56,147 Speaker 2: Might the days of the three format player be coming 201 00:09:56,147 --> 00:09:58,347 Speaker 2: to an end? Might we see more specialization? 202 00:10:00,387 --> 00:10:00,627 Speaker 9: Yeah? 203 00:10:00,907 --> 00:10:04,787 Speaker 8: Maybe, you know, possibly, I do think you know, in time, 204 00:10:05,507 --> 00:10:08,707 Speaker 8: you know, as the the riches in the IPL increase 205 00:10:08,747 --> 00:10:12,587 Speaker 8: and players place a premium you know, on those contracts 206 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:16,387 Speaker 8: just purely because the value of them, you know, you're 207 00:10:16,387 --> 00:10:17,707 Speaker 8: going to see that naturally appear. 208 00:10:17,707 --> 00:10:18,027 Speaker 10: Anyway. 209 00:10:18,067 --> 00:10:20,747 Speaker 8: I think it's like it's, you know, as the IPL 210 00:10:20,827 --> 00:10:23,347 Speaker 8: season grows and sort of gets bigger and a team 211 00:10:23,427 --> 00:10:26,667 Speaker 8: or two gets added, you know, that to me appears inevitable. 212 00:10:27,347 --> 00:10:30,187 Speaker 7: So you're going to have players that perhaps. 213 00:10:29,827 --> 00:10:32,227 Speaker 8: You know, are focused on that T twenty element just 214 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:34,507 Speaker 8: purely from a financial point of view, because it's just 215 00:10:34,747 --> 00:10:37,507 Speaker 8: makes sense, and you know that's going to that's going 216 00:10:37,507 --> 00:10:40,307 Speaker 8: to pose all sorts of problems from an international point 217 00:10:40,347 --> 00:10:43,587 Speaker 8: of view, and how and how those sort of games 218 00:10:43,627 --> 00:10:45,787 Speaker 8: and how the season continues and what that sort of 219 00:10:45,787 --> 00:10:47,867 Speaker 8: looks like. So over the next five to ten years, 220 00:10:48,387 --> 00:10:50,787 Speaker 8: cricket's going to transition, I think quite significantly. 221 00:10:50,907 --> 00:10:52,667 Speaker 2: Yeah, what can you say, what what is your crystal 222 00:10:52,667 --> 00:10:53,227 Speaker 2: ball telling you? 223 00:10:54,827 --> 00:10:59,067 Speaker 8: I think cricket could end up like like soccer, like football, 224 00:10:59,867 --> 00:11:05,067 Speaker 8: and that you know, the season in India, as I say, 225 00:11:05,107 --> 00:11:10,107 Speaker 8: we'll just get bigger because of the financial windfall and 226 00:11:10,187 --> 00:11:12,867 Speaker 8: benefits that occur off the back of that product, which 227 00:11:12,867 --> 00:11:14,747 Speaker 8: is an amazing product. It's it's a great it's a 228 00:11:14,747 --> 00:11:18,107 Speaker 8: great brand, it's a great competition, and and I just 229 00:11:18,107 --> 00:11:19,947 Speaker 8: think that that will get bigger and stronger. And then 230 00:11:19,987 --> 00:11:22,387 Speaker 8: if you've got one or two more leagues around that, 231 00:11:23,147 --> 00:11:26,187 Speaker 8: you know, guys will be making significant income. So then 232 00:11:26,267 --> 00:11:28,907 Speaker 8: I just think that what will occur. You'll have windows 233 00:11:28,947 --> 00:11:34,587 Speaker 8: for World Cups, windows for international matches, but but primarily 234 00:11:34,947 --> 00:11:38,147 Speaker 8: cricket will become sort of a domestic orientated or dominated 235 00:11:38,227 --> 00:11:41,067 Speaker 8: game around the world, much as much as like soccer. 236 00:11:41,147 --> 00:11:43,507 Speaker 8: Soccer does and if you look at the biggest leagues 237 00:11:43,547 --> 00:11:45,107 Speaker 8: in the world, they're all domestic. You know, you look 238 00:11:45,107 --> 00:11:49,427 Speaker 8: at the NBA Basketball, NFL, Major League Baseball, and the 239 00:11:49,427 --> 00:11:51,747 Speaker 8: e p L. They're all domestic leagues. And now the 240 00:11:51,787 --> 00:11:53,907 Speaker 8: i PL is in that. You know, it's in the 241 00:11:54,107 --> 00:11:55,387 Speaker 8: you know, you're speaking of the i PL on the 242 00:11:55,387 --> 00:11:58,867 Speaker 8: same breath as those those those other sort of mega leagues. 243 00:11:58,947 --> 00:12:00,907 Speaker 7: So so that's that's that's. 244 00:12:00,827 --> 00:12:02,827 Speaker 8: Where I see cricket heading. Not not for a while, 245 00:12:03,347 --> 00:12:05,587 Speaker 8: but but yeah, I do. I do see hitting that direction. 246 00:12:05,747 --> 00:12:08,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just hearing you talk about that, it makes 247 00:12:08,147 --> 00:12:11,067 Speaker 2: me think about our domestic cricket competition, the New Zealand 248 00:12:11,067 --> 00:12:13,907 Speaker 2: domestic cricket competition. If the best players are all off 249 00:12:13,907 --> 00:12:17,787 Speaker 2: playing in India and other places, what might our domestic 250 00:12:17,827 --> 00:12:20,147 Speaker 2: competition look like in the future. You know, you're the nurstricts, 251 00:12:20,467 --> 00:12:21,707 Speaker 2: the districts, these teams. 252 00:12:22,067 --> 00:12:24,787 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think there's still be windows and 253 00:12:24,907 --> 00:12:27,427 Speaker 8: chances for people to play there. But you know, ultimately 254 00:12:27,827 --> 00:12:31,947 Speaker 8: it's going to be a nursery to sort of bring 255 00:12:32,147 --> 00:12:35,187 Speaker 8: young talent through to then sort of get onto the 256 00:12:35,227 --> 00:12:38,787 Speaker 8: international stage. But the international stage being big domestic leagues 257 00:12:38,947 --> 00:12:42,427 Speaker 8: and so you know, yeah, look, but as I say, 258 00:12:42,707 --> 00:12:45,467 Speaker 8: it's a while off yet, but you know, for me, 259 00:12:45,507 --> 00:12:48,067 Speaker 8: it just seems inevitable that that's going to occur. And 260 00:12:48,067 --> 00:12:50,387 Speaker 8: that's why I think it's really important that also from 261 00:12:50,427 --> 00:12:53,307 Speaker 8: an Indian perspective, that you know, the riches that are 262 00:12:53,987 --> 00:12:57,587 Speaker 8: sort of gleaned from IPL sort of passed through and 263 00:12:58,107 --> 00:13:00,827 Speaker 8: support it in places like New Zealand where you know, 264 00:13:00,827 --> 00:13:04,507 Speaker 8: whether that be through academies, whether it's investment into the 265 00:13:04,547 --> 00:13:07,627 Speaker 8: game to bring the talent through. It's important that you know, 266 00:13:07,667 --> 00:13:10,907 Speaker 8: we have international talent or that they have international talent 267 00:13:11,387 --> 00:13:13,907 Speaker 8: to sort of boost their league and to have the 268 00:13:13,907 --> 00:13:15,587 Speaker 8: best players in the wild playing in it. 269 00:13:15,627 --> 00:13:18,627 Speaker 2: Is it also inevitable Chris, that that more and more 270 00:13:18,627 --> 00:13:22,267 Speaker 2: players will opt out of New Zealand cricket contracts in 271 00:13:22,387 --> 00:13:25,667 Speaker 2: order to play franchise cricket and then I guess, you know, 272 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:27,987 Speaker 2: make themselves available if and when required. 273 00:13:28,667 --> 00:13:30,107 Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree. 274 00:13:30,187 --> 00:13:34,187 Speaker 8: And you know, very much like a just on a 275 00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:38,707 Speaker 8: match free basis, so you know you'll have again sort 276 00:13:38,747 --> 00:13:41,347 Speaker 8: of like again like soccer, like football, you know, the 277 00:13:41,387 --> 00:13:45,187 Speaker 8: English players will play or are you paid for by 278 00:13:45,227 --> 00:13:48,667 Speaker 8: their by their league teams, but you know if they 279 00:13:48,667 --> 00:13:52,627 Speaker 8: play internationally as a match freek and so so yeah, 280 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:54,987 Speaker 8: it just it just flips with regards to you know, 281 00:13:55,027 --> 00:13:58,027 Speaker 8: what the priority is and what what dominates, and so 282 00:13:58,107 --> 00:14:00,147 Speaker 8: that would just be the case, you know, for World 283 00:14:00,187 --> 00:14:03,467 Speaker 8: Cups or for any other matches, the players would simply 284 00:14:03,987 --> 00:14:04,747 Speaker 8: have a match a match. 285 00:14:04,827 --> 00:14:07,947 Speaker 2: Parents all of these teas the franchise teams have have 286 00:14:08,027 --> 00:14:11,387 Speaker 2: a specialist coach. Do you have a view on splitting 287 00:14:11,427 --> 00:14:15,147 Speaker 2: the coaching responsibility between international formats. 288 00:14:17,227 --> 00:14:20,187 Speaker 8: Yeah, again, that's I suppose it's excuse me, it's hard, 289 00:14:20,987 --> 00:14:24,867 Speaker 8: you know, you I think to have somebody giving that 290 00:14:25,027 --> 00:14:28,707 Speaker 8: much time up and what they're doing, you know, and 291 00:14:28,747 --> 00:14:31,387 Speaker 8: then sort of cutting their salary in half effectively to 292 00:14:31,467 --> 00:14:33,987 Speaker 8: sort of switch that over. I don't really think there's 293 00:14:33,987 --> 00:14:36,947 Speaker 8: a need for that in New Zealand and internationally. I think, 294 00:14:37,187 --> 00:14:40,147 Speaker 8: you know, we produce some pretty all round human beings 295 00:14:40,187 --> 00:14:42,227 Speaker 8: and I and I think from what Gary said, I 296 00:14:42,307 --> 00:14:43,907 Speaker 8: mean he can cut across all formats, and I think, 297 00:14:43,947 --> 00:14:47,107 Speaker 8: you know, New Zealanders would be more than capable of 298 00:14:47,787 --> 00:14:50,827 Speaker 8: being involved in multi formats and sort of maybe having 299 00:14:51,147 --> 00:14:53,387 Speaker 8: a couple of different changes and support stuff. But I 300 00:14:53,387 --> 00:14:55,507 Speaker 8: would support having the head coach across all formats. 301 00:14:55,827 --> 00:14:58,387 Speaker 2: Do you think the future of Test cricket is still bright? 302 00:14:59,947 --> 00:15:00,147 Speaker 7: Yeah? 303 00:15:00,187 --> 00:15:02,987 Speaker 8: In the short term. Yeah, in the short term. But again, 304 00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:07,347 Speaker 8: if somebody is earning significant amounts of money contract wise 305 00:15:07,387 --> 00:15:09,987 Speaker 8: in the I p L, you know, why would they 306 00:15:10,027 --> 00:15:16,227 Speaker 8: jeopardize that that security, that future to sort of injure 307 00:15:16,227 --> 00:15:19,027 Speaker 8: themselves bowling thirty overs or forty overs in a Test match. 308 00:15:19,107 --> 00:15:22,627 Speaker 8: And you know, again, I just pose these points in 309 00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:25,627 Speaker 8: these questions because for me, it just it just seems 310 00:15:25,667 --> 00:15:28,227 Speaker 8: you know, a logical evolution of where this thing goes, 311 00:15:28,267 --> 00:15:30,867 Speaker 8: and that you know, somebody's not going to to to 312 00:15:30,947 --> 00:15:34,587 Speaker 8: injure themselves, you know, playing Test cricket when there's a 313 00:15:34,627 --> 00:15:38,627 Speaker 8: significant contract on offer, playing T twenty cricket. So so 314 00:15:38,707 --> 00:15:40,267 Speaker 8: you know, and you and you can't blame the players 315 00:15:40,267 --> 00:15:42,107 Speaker 8: for that at all. I mean, they need to look 316 00:15:42,107 --> 00:15:45,227 Speaker 8: after themselves and their families and their security and so 317 00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:48,787 Speaker 8: you know, that's the demands of Test cricket are the 318 00:15:48,867 --> 00:15:54,627 Speaker 8: ultimate in our sport. But again, the contracts and what's 319 00:15:54,627 --> 00:15:56,467 Speaker 8: on offer will dictate where where players go. 320 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:59,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, so are we only really a generation Chris away 321 00:15:59,227 --> 00:16:02,387 Speaker 2: from from a bunch of cricketers who never played Test cricket, 322 00:16:03,347 --> 00:16:05,027 Speaker 2: never play red ball cricket, will never pick up a 323 00:16:05,067 --> 00:16:05,667 Speaker 2: red ball. 324 00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:10,107 Speaker 8: At all, because that that is a scenario, you know. 325 00:16:10,387 --> 00:16:13,387 Speaker 8: I mean, I'm a huge Test match cricket fan because 326 00:16:13,427 --> 00:16:15,307 Speaker 8: you know, again, like I said, it's the ultimate in 327 00:16:15,347 --> 00:16:18,827 Speaker 8: our sport. But it's you know, the sport comes down 328 00:16:18,867 --> 00:16:20,547 Speaker 8: to what the fans want and what the public want. 329 00:16:21,387 --> 00:16:24,027 Speaker 8: And you know, if that's T twenty cricket, well then 330 00:16:24,067 --> 00:16:27,427 Speaker 8: that's where the investment goes. And and again that's just 331 00:16:27,667 --> 00:16:29,947 Speaker 8: that's just the fact of life. And but you know, 332 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:32,467 Speaker 8: I don't think we need to worry in the short term. 333 00:16:32,507 --> 00:16:33,947 Speaker 8: I still still think it there, but I think you're 334 00:16:34,027 --> 00:16:37,547 Speaker 8: right and in a generation, you know, we we could 335 00:16:37,547 --> 00:16:38,547 Speaker 8: well see the demise of it. 336 00:16:39,147 --> 00:16:41,427 Speaker 2: So interesting, Well, I've got you to be remissing me 337 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:43,907 Speaker 2: not to ask about your ongoing rehab. Saw some awesome 338 00:16:43,947 --> 00:16:47,147 Speaker 2: footage of your walking unaided in late April. How is 339 00:16:47,187 --> 00:16:48,947 Speaker 2: everything going, Yeah, it's. 340 00:16:49,027 --> 00:16:51,187 Speaker 8: Good, thank you, it's Look, it's it's it's a challenge 341 00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:53,347 Speaker 8: every day, you know, and it's a new journey that 342 00:16:53,827 --> 00:16:56,227 Speaker 8: I'm on. And you know, this is this is by 343 00:16:56,267 --> 00:16:58,587 Speaker 8: far the biggest and toughest battle that I've ever faced 344 00:16:58,627 --> 00:17:01,107 Speaker 8: in my life. And and so you know, you just 345 00:17:01,147 --> 00:17:04,387 Speaker 8: have to yeah, you just just small games. It really 346 00:17:04,467 --> 00:17:06,267 Speaker 8: is just just a day by day thing. And you know, 347 00:17:06,387 --> 00:17:07,027 Speaker 8: will I walk again? 348 00:17:07,307 --> 00:17:08,347 Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know. 349 00:17:08,387 --> 00:17:09,987 Speaker 8: But what I'm trying to do is give myself to 350 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:12,227 Speaker 8: the opportunity to be in a position to be able 351 00:17:12,227 --> 00:17:16,547 Speaker 8: to do that. And with the technological advances and everything 352 00:17:16,587 --> 00:17:18,747 Speaker 8: that sort of goes with it and a stubborn attitude, 353 00:17:19,427 --> 00:17:21,707 Speaker 8: then you know who knows And look, that's and that's 354 00:17:21,787 --> 00:17:22,747 Speaker 8: you know, that's what I'm trying to do. 355 00:17:22,987 --> 00:17:25,627 Speaker 2: Well, you've got a lot of Kiwi's chearing you on, Chris. 356 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:28,307 Speaker 2: I can assure you of that answer. Look, I appreciate 357 00:17:28,347 --> 00:17:30,747 Speaker 2: your time talking cricket with us today. Thanks indeed for 358 00:17:31,147 --> 00:17:33,547 Speaker 2: awesome Thank you very much, Thank you very much, Chris, 359 00:17:33,587 --> 00:17:37,347 Speaker 2: Chris Kenes. There you've heard from Chris. Yeah, that went 360 00:17:37,787 --> 00:17:39,827 Speaker 2: a slightly different way than I thought it might. Actually, 361 00:17:40,787 --> 00:17:42,747 Speaker 2: you know, I wondered whether there might need be the 362 00:17:42,827 --> 00:17:46,507 Speaker 2: need for forensic examination of this T twenty campaign, but 363 00:17:46,547 --> 00:17:49,227 Speaker 2: clearly yeah, well, Chris, and this words it's an outlier. 364 00:17:50,027 --> 00:17:51,867 Speaker 2: Your chance to react though to what you heard? Anything 365 00:17:51,867 --> 00:17:53,147 Speaker 2: you want to pick up on, I'd love to chat 366 00:17:53,147 --> 00:17:54,787 Speaker 2: to you about it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 367 00:17:54,867 --> 00:17:56,187 Speaker 2: eight are going to go open the lines now on 368 00:17:56,227 --> 00:18:00,627 Speaker 2: this in particular, I'd like to know what are the 369 00:18:00,707 --> 00:18:04,107 Speaker 2: planks for the way forward for our international me insight 370 00:18:04,187 --> 00:18:06,427 Speaker 2: for the black Caps. Now, let's approach this as as 371 00:18:06,427 --> 00:18:09,787 Speaker 2: I said before, in a solutions based fashion. I think 372 00:18:09,787 --> 00:18:13,227 Speaker 2: we've gone past the stage of bagging the players or 373 00:18:13,227 --> 00:18:16,747 Speaker 2: bagging the coach. Let's look ahead and in this ever 374 00:18:16,867 --> 00:18:22,547 Speaker 2: changing cricketing landscape, ask ourselves how we preserve our competitiveness 375 00:18:23,147 --> 00:18:26,147 Speaker 2: at international level? How do we do that? Oh, eight 376 00:18:26,267 --> 00:18:29,827 Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is our number. I wonder if 377 00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:33,467 Speaker 2: it's time for genuine change in the way we pick 378 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:37,467 Speaker 2: our international cricket teams. And while there'll always be players 379 00:18:37,507 --> 00:18:42,347 Speaker 2: who can play all three formats, the proliferation of T 380 00:18:42,347 --> 00:18:47,107 Speaker 2: twenty franchise competitions has created a legion of T twenty specialists. 381 00:18:47,707 --> 00:18:49,707 Speaker 2: So rather than fight against that, why don't we just 382 00:18:49,747 --> 00:18:53,987 Speaker 2: embrace it. Let's pick a T twenty team that is 383 00:18:54,067 --> 00:18:58,027 Speaker 2: dedicated to playing T twenty cricket for New Zealand and 384 00:18:58,107 --> 00:19:02,667 Speaker 2: have others who play almost exclusively red ball or fifty 385 00:19:02,707 --> 00:19:06,667 Speaker 2: over stuff for us. Make it a clear delineation, and 386 00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:10,227 Speaker 2: that includes I reckon a specialist T twenty coach, someone 387 00:19:10,427 --> 00:19:14,027 Speaker 2: like Stephen Fleming, who's utterly immersed in the nuances of 388 00:19:14,067 --> 00:19:16,947 Speaker 2: the T twenty game through his time coaching Chennai, who 389 00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:20,387 Speaker 2: can show innovation, flexibility, the ability to adapt. Because that's 390 00:19:20,427 --> 00:19:24,707 Speaker 2: what T twenty cricket requires. Have our T twenty team 391 00:19:25,307 --> 00:19:28,467 Speaker 2: sit off to one side and act as a connected 392 00:19:28,507 --> 00:19:31,987 Speaker 2: but separate entity. Now, of course, I know this would 393 00:19:31,987 --> 00:19:34,867 Speaker 2: cause a few issues when it comes to New Zealand 394 00:19:34,907 --> 00:19:39,627 Speaker 2: Crickets Central contracting. But maybe that's where you say, Okay, 395 00:19:40,307 --> 00:19:44,907 Speaker 2: our contracts are for test and one day international players 396 00:19:45,507 --> 00:19:47,467 Speaker 2: and those players may or may not end up playing 397 00:19:47,507 --> 00:19:51,107 Speaker 2: some T twenty as well. But for our T twenty side, 398 00:19:51,187 --> 00:19:54,987 Speaker 2: we are quite happy to pick uncontracted players who are 399 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:59,587 Speaker 2: specialists in traveling the world playing franchise T twenty cricket. 400 00:19:59,627 --> 00:20:01,627 Speaker 2: They don't get New Zealand contracts, but they can play 401 00:20:01,707 --> 00:20:04,067 Speaker 2: for New Zealand. In fact, we want them to play 402 00:20:04,067 --> 00:20:06,987 Speaker 2: for New Zealand. So you'd pick the likes of Trent Bolt. 403 00:20:06,987 --> 00:20:07,107 Speaker 10: Now. 404 00:20:07,147 --> 00:20:08,427 Speaker 2: I know he said that he won't play for New 405 00:20:08,507 --> 00:20:11,987 Speaker 2: Zealand probably again, and I get that. But someone like him, 406 00:20:12,307 --> 00:20:15,667 Speaker 2: someone like Jimmy Neisham, Colin Monroe, Martin Gupdel, Tim seiferd 407 00:20:17,067 --> 00:20:19,507 Speaker 2: you pick them for T twenty and at internationals, and 408 00:20:19,547 --> 00:20:22,667 Speaker 2: then you top the team up with players who you 409 00:20:22,707 --> 00:20:25,347 Speaker 2: need for the balance and probably ones who at least 410 00:20:25,347 --> 00:20:28,907 Speaker 2: play IPL and you would then have T twenty specialists 411 00:20:28,907 --> 00:20:31,707 Speaker 2: playing T twenty Creckitt in New Zealand, and I reckon 412 00:20:31,707 --> 00:20:33,667 Speaker 2: that would also improve the test in one day sites 413 00:20:33,747 --> 00:20:35,707 Speaker 2: give them a bit of rest, because if you want 414 00:20:35,707 --> 00:20:37,987 Speaker 2: to play all three formats at the moment, you basically 415 00:20:38,027 --> 00:20:40,227 Speaker 2: have to play cricket twelve months of the year and 416 00:20:40,267 --> 00:20:42,667 Speaker 2: that's not good for balance or really for the development 417 00:20:42,707 --> 00:20:46,947 Speaker 2: of your red ball game. I honestly believe the days 418 00:20:47,027 --> 00:20:50,667 Speaker 2: of three format players are coming to an end, and 419 00:20:50,787 --> 00:20:53,507 Speaker 2: rather than fight against that, I reckon we just embrace it, 420 00:20:53,547 --> 00:20:57,147 Speaker 2: blaze our own trail, rather than following what is already 421 00:20:57,227 --> 00:21:01,307 Speaker 2: becoming a trend in other countries. Oh, eight hundred and 422 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:03,067 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty would love to get your thoughts nine 423 00:21:03,147 --> 00:21:05,067 Speaker 2: two ninety two on text. How are you, Brian. 424 00:21:06,747 --> 00:21:09,787 Speaker 11: Jason. I don't think I can add anything more to 425 00:21:09,867 --> 00:21:10,827 Speaker 11: what you've just said. 426 00:21:11,387 --> 00:21:13,267 Speaker 2: Well, it's good to have your support, Brian. I love that. 427 00:21:14,387 --> 00:21:19,427 Speaker 11: Yeah, because you know, looking at the games, I think 428 00:21:19,467 --> 00:21:22,347 Speaker 11: we all know now that Kane Williamson is not a 429 00:21:22,387 --> 00:21:26,867 Speaker 11: T twenty player. He's a very good Test player and 430 00:21:27,187 --> 00:21:32,427 Speaker 11: also one day when he's got time to mold his innings, 431 00:21:32,427 --> 00:21:39,827 Speaker 11: but not in T twenty. And also we need a freshness, Jason. 432 00:21:41,907 --> 00:21:44,947 Speaker 11: I think Gary said probably has done a good job 433 00:21:45,027 --> 00:21:48,147 Speaker 11: in some ways, but he just needs perhaps to step 434 00:21:48,187 --> 00:21:52,307 Speaker 11: aside now and let a fresh face come in and 435 00:21:53,147 --> 00:21:57,427 Speaker 11: with fresh ideas. But what you've just said about a 436 00:21:57,467 --> 00:22:03,907 Speaker 11: T twenty team as such is a wonderful idea. Someone 437 00:22:03,947 --> 00:22:07,027 Speaker 11: that can get in and hit the ball right from 438 00:22:07,107 --> 00:22:10,027 Speaker 11: the start. I mean, Finn Helen tries to do it 439 00:22:10,067 --> 00:22:12,707 Speaker 11: all the time, and he comes off now and again. 440 00:22:13,347 --> 00:22:18,747 Speaker 11: And also, Jason, I think you need to pick a 441 00:22:18,787 --> 00:22:22,547 Speaker 11: wiki keeper first who could perhaps get a few runs 442 00:22:22,587 --> 00:22:25,267 Speaker 11: if they needed that towards the end of an innings, 443 00:22:25,787 --> 00:22:29,707 Speaker 11: but not someone who's a good bat who can catch 444 00:22:29,907 --> 00:22:35,147 Speaker 11: the ball down again like Conway. It's too much. I 445 00:22:35,147 --> 00:22:37,427 Speaker 11: think it's too much pressure on him as well, although 446 00:22:37,427 --> 00:22:39,827 Speaker 11: he seem to hit a few decent balls for the 447 00:22:39,907 --> 00:22:44,347 Speaker 11: last one. But also the other thing is Cain wins them, 448 00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:48,347 Speaker 11: seems to want to when he wins the toss, wants 449 00:22:48,347 --> 00:22:52,387 Speaker 11: to field first. Jason, I always say, if the pitch 450 00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:55,307 Speaker 11: is quite good. You get the runs on the board 451 00:22:55,667 --> 00:23:01,467 Speaker 11: and then you adjust your bowling to keep them under 452 00:23:01,467 --> 00:23:04,987 Speaker 11: that score. But when the team gets a big score, 453 00:23:05,747 --> 00:23:10,587 Speaker 11: each going out is under pressure to get going, and 454 00:23:10,707 --> 00:23:13,707 Speaker 11: that doesn't always happen, as we've seen in the last 455 00:23:13,707 --> 00:23:19,467 Speaker 11: few weeks. Yeah, we could win the mat we could 456 00:23:19,507 --> 00:23:20,267 Speaker 11: win the tournament. 457 00:23:20,427 --> 00:23:22,027 Speaker 2: We could you and I think you and I make 458 00:23:22,027 --> 00:23:24,627 Speaker 2: a great combination, Brian, I really do. I wonder whether 459 00:23:24,667 --> 00:23:27,027 Speaker 2: the I wonder whether the decision not to not to 460 00:23:27,027 --> 00:23:28,587 Speaker 2: bat first had had a bit to do with not 461 00:23:28,667 --> 00:23:30,747 Speaker 2: really knowing much about the conditions because they hadn't any 462 00:23:30,747 --> 00:23:33,107 Speaker 2: more mud games. But I take your point, didn't know. 463 00:23:33,187 --> 00:23:34,907 Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's a different form, but I 464 00:23:34,907 --> 00:23:37,027 Speaker 2: remember I think was Ian Chappell always said when he 465 00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,227 Speaker 2: was Captain of Australia. You know, if you win the 466 00:23:39,227 --> 00:23:41,027 Speaker 2: toss nine times out of ten, you're bat the tenth 467 00:23:41,067 --> 00:23:43,547 Speaker 2: time you think about bowling and you're still bad. Good 468 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,787 Speaker 2: on your Brian, appreciate your time. Oh eight hundred and 469 00:23:45,827 --> 00:23:48,267 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty twelve thirty is the time speed line 470 00:23:48,267 --> 00:23:50,547 Speaker 2: if you want to jump aboard. They've just started the 471 00:23:50,587 --> 00:23:53,947 Speaker 2: Australia Scotland game. Australia won the toss and have elected 472 00:23:53,987 --> 00:23:57,107 Speaker 2: to field first in that one will keep an eye 473 00:23:57,107 --> 00:23:59,187 Speaker 2: on that for you, and particularly with regard to the 474 00:23:59,187 --> 00:24:01,627 Speaker 2: fact that of Scotland win this game, then England go home. 475 00:24:02,747 --> 00:24:04,827 Speaker 2: They were good this morning though in a rain shortened 476 00:24:04,827 --> 00:24:07,507 Speaker 2: game it looked as tho rain would actually completely washed 477 00:24:07,507 --> 00:24:10,347 Speaker 2: their game against Nimbibia are out it didn't have got 478 00:24:10,347 --> 00:24:12,507 Speaker 2: reduced down to a ten over a side affair in 479 00:24:12,547 --> 00:24:15,187 Speaker 2: England when at twelves and then old Nimibia out recently 480 00:24:15,387 --> 00:24:17,107 Speaker 2: bold the map that restricted them in their ten over, 481 00:24:17,187 --> 00:24:19,427 Speaker 2: So they've done all they can, but they know that 482 00:24:19,467 --> 00:24:23,307 Speaker 2: of Scotland beat Australia, then they go home England. That 483 00:24:23,427 --> 00:24:26,467 Speaker 2: is quite a few texts coming through which I'll get 484 00:24:26,467 --> 00:24:27,627 Speaker 2: to in a moment, but I would like to hear 485 00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:30,507 Speaker 2: your thoughts in particular around that idea that I've just 486 00:24:30,547 --> 00:24:32,947 Speaker 2: put out there. Brian was a fan. You might be 487 00:24:33,027 --> 00:24:35,107 Speaker 2: a complete opponent to what I've said there, because I 488 00:24:35,147 --> 00:24:38,827 Speaker 2: know there are people who have not been fans at 489 00:24:38,867 --> 00:24:43,387 Speaker 2: all of Trent Bolt playing for New Zealand. They you know, 490 00:24:43,467 --> 00:24:45,187 Speaker 2: they make the point and it's a valid one that 491 00:24:45,227 --> 00:24:47,267 Speaker 2: he has made his mind up around what he wants 492 00:24:47,307 --> 00:24:49,747 Speaker 2: to do with the remaining years of his cricketing career 493 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:54,747 Speaker 2: and therefore should be left to do that without you know, 494 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,107 Speaker 2: being called back into play for New Zealand or or 495 00:24:57,147 --> 00:24:58,747 Speaker 2: I guess if you flip that, a lot of people 496 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:02,227 Speaker 2: sort of think that's he's just picking and choosing. For me, 497 00:25:02,827 --> 00:25:05,827 Speaker 2: if you're playing T twenty cricket as your job around 498 00:25:05,827 --> 00:25:08,827 Speaker 2: the world, playing it every you know and every day, 499 00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:11,747 Speaker 2: but you're playing T twenty cricket almost exclusively in the 500 00:25:11,787 --> 00:25:14,947 Speaker 2: IPL and the Caribbean Premier League and Major League Cricket 501 00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:16,427 Speaker 2: in the US and all of the other ones that 502 00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,707 Speaker 2: are popping up, you're a T twenty specialist. So why 503 00:25:19,747 --> 00:25:22,787 Speaker 2: doesn't New Zealand Cricket take advantage of that and say, okay, cool, 504 00:25:23,027 --> 00:25:25,387 Speaker 2: we won't contract you, but you know, we'd love to 505 00:25:25,387 --> 00:25:27,427 Speaker 2: have you back, and we'll pay you X dollars a 506 00:25:27,427 --> 00:25:30,467 Speaker 2: match fee and then our central contracted list can be 507 00:25:30,587 --> 00:25:33,667 Speaker 2: focused on test players and one day international players. Look, 508 00:25:33,707 --> 00:25:35,947 Speaker 2: I know there are holes in my argument, and feel 509 00:25:35,947 --> 00:25:39,067 Speaker 2: free to pick those holes in it. Eight hundred eighty 510 00:25:39,187 --> 00:25:41,907 Speaker 2: ten eighty twenty eight away from one back in a moment. 511 00:25:42,027 --> 00:25:44,627 Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside call eight hundred and eighty ten 512 00:25:44,667 --> 00:25:49,267 Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnobes, New 513 00:25:49,347 --> 00:25:52,747 Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder NEWSTALGSB. 514 00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:55,427 Speaker 2: News talks the B twenty five to one eight hundred 515 00:25:55,467 --> 00:25:57,027 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty as our number. I want to talk 516 00:25:57,067 --> 00:25:59,107 Speaker 2: some cricket with you and the way forward as far 517 00:25:59,147 --> 00:26:02,147 Speaker 2: as our different formats are concerned. Kind of outlined a 518 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:04,667 Speaker 2: plan that I quite like. As I say, I know 519 00:26:04,707 --> 00:26:06,307 Speaker 2: there will be holes that you might like to pick inn, 520 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,867 Speaker 2: but feel free to do that. Eight hundred and eighty 521 00:26:08,947 --> 00:26:11,507 Speaker 2: ten Eighty's just a quick update on Scotland against Australia. 522 00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:14,587 Speaker 2: Scotland batting first are four for the loss of one 523 00:26:14,587 --> 00:26:16,987 Speaker 2: and the second over. I only really mentioned it because 524 00:26:17,027 --> 00:26:20,147 Speaker 2: the man out is the brilliantly named Michael Jones. Michael 525 00:26:20,227 --> 00:26:23,507 Speaker 2: Jones is the only amazement for Scotland and he is. 526 00:26:24,027 --> 00:26:29,307 Speaker 2: He's out unfortunately bob By Asteneger for two, so he 527 00:26:29,347 --> 00:26:32,947 Speaker 2: hasn't risen to the heights of his name necessarily. I 528 00:26:33,027 --> 00:26:35,667 Speaker 2: think I can go to Jamie game mate, how are you? 529 00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:37,547 Speaker 12: You're not too bad yourself? 530 00:26:37,827 --> 00:26:38,907 Speaker 2: I'm very good, thanks Jamie. 531 00:26:39,787 --> 00:26:43,227 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I just think it. But this, yeah, probably 532 00:26:43,387 --> 00:26:46,707 Speaker 12: for a bit of support behind your idea. It definitely 533 00:26:46,787 --> 00:26:49,507 Speaker 12: does have a bit of merit. I just think of 534 00:26:49,547 --> 00:26:53,707 Speaker 12: the analogy between between rugby. You know, it's like back 535 00:26:53,747 --> 00:26:58,147 Speaker 12: in the day fifteens. You know, we're players that both 536 00:26:58,187 --> 00:27:02,267 Speaker 12: fifteens and sevens, and now it's pretty much separate. And 537 00:27:02,347 --> 00:27:06,707 Speaker 12: I think it's if cricket we could probably probably a 538 00:27:06,707 --> 00:27:09,387 Speaker 12: good idea of going down that same path. 539 00:27:09,427 --> 00:27:09,947 Speaker 13: Pretty much. 540 00:27:10,427 --> 00:27:12,707 Speaker 2: Great analogy, Jamie, It's one that's been made a couple 541 00:27:12,747 --> 00:27:14,387 Speaker 2: of times to be on text as well. But you're dead. 542 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:16,947 Speaker 2: I remember the days of Cully and Joan Ohlama and 543 00:27:16,947 --> 00:27:19,507 Speaker 2: others playing, yeah, playing playing sevens and then going back 544 00:27:19,547 --> 00:27:22,027 Speaker 2: and playing fifteen's. In fact, I think for a while 545 00:27:22,107 --> 00:27:26,027 Speaker 2: at the Wellington Sevens there was a dispensation given for 546 00:27:26,107 --> 00:27:29,427 Speaker 2: players because the organizers of the Wellington Sevens wanted the 547 00:27:29,427 --> 00:27:32,667 Speaker 2: best New Zealand players there. They'd work out some sort 548 00:27:32,707 --> 00:27:35,147 Speaker 2: of some sort of system with you know, with the 549 00:27:35,187 --> 00:27:37,067 Speaker 2: super rugby coaches to get you know, two or three 550 00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:39,427 Speaker 2: of the best players as as headline acts if you like. 551 00:27:39,507 --> 00:27:41,227 Speaker 2: But it doesn't happen anymore, you don't, you know, the 552 00:27:41,267 --> 00:27:43,467 Speaker 2: top one hundred and forty players in the country play 553 00:27:43,547 --> 00:27:45,987 Speaker 2: Super rugby and then it's up to the it's up 554 00:27:46,027 --> 00:27:48,947 Speaker 2: to Tamasi Tharma to pick up the rest for sevens. 555 00:27:49,427 --> 00:27:51,907 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I mean, and it's probably caused a 556 00:27:51,907 --> 00:27:54,867 Speaker 12: bit of controversy over the time, especially when it's when 557 00:27:54,867 --> 00:27:58,427 Speaker 12: it got to the Olympics. But but yeah, yeah, probably 558 00:27:58,427 --> 00:28:02,267 Speaker 12: think it's it's you'll probably see, yeah that those who 559 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:05,827 Speaker 12: want to go and play cricket for T twenty it's 560 00:28:05,987 --> 00:28:09,947 Speaker 12: probably yeah, they can. They can in a bit of 561 00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:12,547 Speaker 12: money that way, and also yeah, freeze up our players 562 00:28:12,547 --> 00:28:15,507 Speaker 12: who wanted to who really want to play test cricket 563 00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:21,187 Speaker 12: and good probably yeah, yeah, so I'm quite I'm quite 564 00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:23,267 Speaker 12: keen on that idea. But whether they go for or 565 00:28:23,267 --> 00:28:26,107 Speaker 12: not go for with it or not, then he knows. 566 00:28:26,587 --> 00:28:30,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Jamie, thanks Mike, good to chat to you. Yeah, 567 00:28:30,227 --> 00:28:34,067 Speaker 2: there was Caleb Clark, wasn't it. He decided he would 568 00:28:34,067 --> 00:28:36,187 Speaker 2: go down the seven's route. He said, I'll take a 569 00:28:36,187 --> 00:28:38,147 Speaker 2: break from fifteen so I'll go down the seven's route 570 00:28:38,147 --> 00:28:40,107 Speaker 2: and try and get to the Olympics. And then the 571 00:28:40,227 --> 00:28:41,587 Speaker 2: end I don't think he was even picked, was he 572 00:28:41,627 --> 00:28:43,507 Speaker 2: for the sevens team? Has come back and has made 573 00:28:43,507 --> 00:28:46,507 Speaker 2: a really good first of his fifteen's career. Yeah, So 574 00:28:46,547 --> 00:28:48,627 Speaker 2: why why don't we just get Why don't we just 575 00:28:50,267 --> 00:28:56,867 Speaker 2: explore the idea of having specialists who uncontracted. If you 576 00:28:56,907 --> 00:28:59,227 Speaker 2: want a New Zealand cricket contract, you have to commit 577 00:28:59,307 --> 00:29:03,947 Speaker 2: to playing test matches and One day internationals for New Zealand. Right, 578 00:29:04,027 --> 00:29:06,267 Speaker 2: you have to say, right, I commit to those two 579 00:29:06,427 --> 00:29:09,067 Speaker 2: forms of the game for New Zealand. If you don't 580 00:29:09,067 --> 00:29:10,947 Speaker 2: want to do that, you'd rather chase the dollars around 581 00:29:10,947 --> 00:29:13,907 Speaker 2: the world. That's cool. In fact, it helps because under 582 00:29:13,947 --> 00:29:16,307 Speaker 2: this new system I'm going to call it the Brian 583 00:29:16,387 --> 00:29:19,507 Speaker 2: system because Brian is a big fan of it. The 584 00:29:19,547 --> 00:29:23,027 Speaker 2: T twenty players in our New Zealand black Caps T 585 00:29:23,027 --> 00:29:25,667 Speaker 2: twenty team are basically selected from those who do that 586 00:29:26,587 --> 00:29:29,907 Speaker 2: a travel around the world playing T twenty, so they're 587 00:29:29,947 --> 00:29:32,867 Speaker 2: good at it, they understand the nuances of it, they're 588 00:29:32,907 --> 00:29:35,467 Speaker 2: right up to date with the latest trends in the 589 00:29:35,467 --> 00:29:38,227 Speaker 2: game of T twenty. And then when they come back 590 00:29:38,267 --> 00:29:40,867 Speaker 2: and put a black cap on, we get the benefit 591 00:29:40,947 --> 00:29:44,867 Speaker 2: of that and we leave our test and one day 592 00:29:44,907 --> 00:29:48,747 Speaker 2: players to be on the contracted list. Again, as I say, 593 00:29:48,827 --> 00:29:51,427 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are holes in my argument. If you'd 594 00:29:51,507 --> 00:29:53,627 Speaker 2: like to pick them, please do so. Hello, Bob. 595 00:29:55,147 --> 00:30:00,187 Speaker 9: Yeah, hey, Bonny, I totally agree with your concept about 596 00:30:00,227 --> 00:30:05,267 Speaker 9: the specialist T twenty team. I think that's really the 597 00:30:05,307 --> 00:30:05,787 Speaker 9: way to go. 598 00:30:09,027 --> 00:30:10,507 Speaker 2: Oh good, Bob, I thought you I thought there was 599 00:30:10,507 --> 00:30:14,067 Speaker 2: a butt. I thought you were gonna say, but, but. 600 00:30:15,107 --> 00:30:19,107 Speaker 9: There is a Okay. But I think it's fun. You've 601 00:30:19,107 --> 00:30:22,587 Speaker 9: got your head out of the sand about the Warriors, 602 00:30:22,627 --> 00:30:25,867 Speaker 9: because they're nothing. They no championship team. There's just a 603 00:30:26,027 --> 00:30:30,987 Speaker 9: mediocre middle of the ladder team and will be for 604 00:30:31,027 --> 00:30:31,547 Speaker 9: some time. 605 00:30:32,267 --> 00:30:34,267 Speaker 2: Well they're not, though, Bob, are they? They They're not though, 606 00:30:34,307 --> 00:30:36,347 Speaker 2: are they? They made it to within a game or 607 00:30:36,387 --> 00:30:37,907 Speaker 2: two of the Grand Final last year. 608 00:30:39,427 --> 00:30:41,107 Speaker 9: Well that means you're middle of the road. 609 00:30:43,427 --> 00:30:46,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like, I know where you're coming from, Bob, 610 00:30:46,507 --> 00:30:49,267 Speaker 2: and I know they have trouble beating the Storm in particular, 611 00:30:49,467 --> 00:30:54,547 Speaker 2: and it's a it's a hoodoo that continues. I'll wait 612 00:30:54,627 --> 00:30:57,507 Speaker 2: and see. I think. I don't think I've got my 613 00:30:57,507 --> 00:30:59,507 Speaker 2: head in the sand on them. I I like the Warriors. 614 00:30:59,987 --> 00:31:02,747 Speaker 2: I'm realistic. I think about them. I know they've got 615 00:31:02,787 --> 00:31:04,027 Speaker 2: a lot of work to do if they are to 616 00:31:04,027 --> 00:31:06,787 Speaker 2: become a championship winning side. But I think they last year, 617 00:31:06,787 --> 00:31:09,987 Speaker 2: they've got raw materials. Let's see. But good to chet. 618 00:31:10,067 --> 00:31:11,467 Speaker 2: To you, Bob, and glad to like my idea about 619 00:31:11,467 --> 00:31:14,787 Speaker 2: the cricket Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the 620 00:31:14,827 --> 00:31:16,627 Speaker 2: black Cap, says Stephen had lots of players playing in 621 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:18,987 Speaker 2: the IPL, how can they be rusty? The yessue was 622 00:31:18,987 --> 00:31:20,627 Speaker 2: Stephen that most of them didn't really get a lot 623 00:31:20,627 --> 00:31:23,387 Speaker 2: of game time over there. A lot of those guys 624 00:31:23,467 --> 00:31:25,347 Speaker 2: turned up at this Cricket World Cup and hadn't played 625 00:31:25,387 --> 00:31:27,307 Speaker 2: cricket for a long time, not any form of it, 626 00:31:27,707 --> 00:31:31,147 Speaker 2: particularly no T twenty. But I get your point. Maybe 627 00:31:31,187 --> 00:31:36,427 Speaker 2: the real takeaway here, says GT, is never to disrespect Afghanistan. 628 00:31:36,587 --> 00:31:38,707 Speaker 2: We turned up obviously thinking we could use them as 629 00:31:38,747 --> 00:31:40,667 Speaker 2: a warm up for the West Indies and we got 630 00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:44,027 Speaker 2: punished for it. For a group of guys from an impoverished, 631 00:31:44,227 --> 00:31:48,307 Speaker 2: war torn country, what the Afghan team accomplished against millionaire 632 00:31:48,347 --> 00:31:52,387 Speaker 2: opposition is incredible. I give them great respect, Thank you GT. 633 00:31:53,347 --> 00:31:57,467 Speaker 2: A lot of people making the comparison with rugby test 634 00:31:57,547 --> 00:32:02,027 Speaker 2: rugby and seven's rugby that used to be an overlapping situation. 635 00:32:02,947 --> 00:32:05,787 Speaker 2: These days you choose one or the other, and I 636 00:32:05,827 --> 00:32:09,507 Speaker 2: think the I think the commonly held view is that 637 00:32:10,307 --> 00:32:14,747 Speaker 2: most most players growing up want to be part of 638 00:32:14,787 --> 00:32:17,667 Speaker 2: the want to be part of fifteen's. They aspire to 639 00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:22,947 Speaker 2: being all black in the fifteens game. But sevens is 640 00:32:22,987 --> 00:32:25,827 Speaker 2: also an option. You get to travel the world, you're 641 00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:29,187 Speaker 2: a professional player, male or female, you get to play 642 00:32:29,227 --> 00:32:34,507 Speaker 2: for Olympic gold. It's an option. As I've often said recently, 643 00:32:34,707 --> 00:32:37,307 Speaker 2: I've come to try and apply this filter to a 644 00:32:37,347 --> 00:32:40,947 Speaker 2: lot of sporting issues these days. Nothing should be off 645 00:32:40,947 --> 00:32:44,027 Speaker 2: the table. As we look to innovate, as we look 646 00:32:44,107 --> 00:32:47,347 Speaker 2: to accept change, as we look to chart the way forward. 647 00:32:47,827 --> 00:32:51,987 Speaker 2: Nothing should be off the table. Eighteen away from one, 648 00:32:52,147 --> 00:32:54,587 Speaker 2: We'll keep chatting cricket. OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty 649 00:32:54,587 --> 00:32:55,907 Speaker 2: back with more of your calls after this. 650 00:32:56,947 --> 00:33:00,507 Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend 651 00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:04,667 Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vain and GJ Gunners, New Zealand's most 652 00:33:04,667 --> 00:33:06,147 Speaker 1: trusted OH Builder News. 653 00:33:05,907 --> 00:33:09,147 Speaker 2: Talk said quarter to one, Piney says, David, when are 654 00:33:09,147 --> 00:33:11,827 Speaker 2: you going to talk about the Chiefs outstanding performance last night? 655 00:33:11,907 --> 00:33:14,347 Speaker 2: I was at the game and they were simply outstanding. 656 00:33:14,387 --> 00:33:16,907 Speaker 2: I agree, David. I agree. That's why we've got coach 657 00:33:17,187 --> 00:33:20,147 Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan standing by after one o'clock to have a 658 00:33:20,227 --> 00:33:22,587 Speaker 2: chat to us. We're talking cricket till one. All right, divebo, 659 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,707 Speaker 2: come on mate, you must have some holes to pick 660 00:33:24,707 --> 00:33:26,467 Speaker 2: in my idea. 661 00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:30,027 Speaker 13: Ah look your idea has merit, mate, But I just 662 00:33:30,067 --> 00:33:32,947 Speaker 13: think what we're seeing is black Cat fans have had 663 00:33:32,947 --> 00:33:35,747 Speaker 13: a guts full of the T twenty in the summit 664 00:33:35,787 --> 00:33:38,507 Speaker 13: we had we had four nations come and play on 665 00:33:38,547 --> 00:33:42,987 Speaker 13: New Zealand chores, with the pinnacle being Australia. And what 666 00:33:43,027 --> 00:33:47,187 Speaker 13: we saw was and I think Williamson's hiding behind Stead. 667 00:33:47,267 --> 00:33:49,747 Speaker 13: We know that Stead couldn't run a bath littlone team, 668 00:33:50,787 --> 00:33:53,547 Speaker 13: and we saw Souley could play in game one and 669 00:33:53,627 --> 00:33:55,147 Speaker 13: but nine in game two in game. 670 00:33:54,947 --> 00:33:56,947 Speaker 10: Three against the Aussies. And then we had. 671 00:33:57,707 --> 00:33:59,707 Speaker 13: Ravenderick and play in game one and two but not 672 00:33:59,827 --> 00:34:03,227 Speaker 13: game three. So here we are one taking on the Aussies. 673 00:34:03,267 --> 00:34:05,467 Speaker 13: We almost beat them in game one at the captin 674 00:34:06,107 --> 00:34:09,187 Speaker 13: Bee Liva will funish game two in game three at 675 00:34:09,467 --> 00:34:12,827 Speaker 13: Eden Park where a debarcle. It's the debarcle. And then 676 00:34:12,987 --> 00:34:16,867 Speaker 13: nothing's changed As we prepared for this World Cup, arrogance 677 00:34:17,827 --> 00:34:22,227 Speaker 13: and pampered players, the tail wagging the dog. They arrive 678 00:34:22,307 --> 00:34:26,947 Speaker 13: at first class, you know, business class travel. They get pampered, 679 00:34:27,387 --> 00:34:28,827 Speaker 13: turned down warm up games. 680 00:34:29,707 --> 00:34:30,787 Speaker 14: This is a habit. 681 00:34:30,907 --> 00:34:33,547 Speaker 13: I mean when we lasted Australia, Piney, we turned down 682 00:34:33,587 --> 00:34:36,587 Speaker 13: warm up games for the tests over there got wallet free. 683 00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:40,707 Speaker 2: Now that was terrible years and. 684 00:34:40,627 --> 00:34:43,267 Speaker 13: I think if you get to the real core of it, 685 00:34:43,307 --> 00:34:46,027 Speaker 13: New Zealand Cricket's got a problem trying to attract a 686 00:34:46,267 --> 00:34:49,787 Speaker 13: separate coaches because I think talking to some of the 687 00:34:49,827 --> 00:34:52,787 Speaker 13: players behind the scenes, Poney that steads on about two 688 00:34:52,867 --> 00:34:55,067 Speaker 13: hundred and fifty k, maybe a bit more, maybe a 689 00:34:55,067 --> 00:34:57,987 Speaker 13: bit less. Daniel Battori for being a part time coach 690 00:34:58,027 --> 00:35:01,227 Speaker 13: with the Aussies is getting over three hundred heaven Tibetsu. 691 00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:05,147 Speaker 13: What McCallum's getting is the test coach for the Poms. 692 00:35:05,387 --> 00:35:07,707 Speaker 13: There's just no need to get a decent coach. We 693 00:35:07,747 --> 00:35:09,787 Speaker 13: need a different voice. We don't have the same coach 694 00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:13,947 Speaker 13: coaching three formats and the players are dictating they didn't 695 00:35:13,987 --> 00:35:17,147 Speaker 13: want a warm up game, pining, so they didn't get one, 696 00:35:17,587 --> 00:35:18,747 Speaker 13: some of them. 697 00:35:19,067 --> 00:35:20,947 Speaker 2: Mitchell sent that. I came out to Dobbo, didn't he 698 00:35:20,987 --> 00:35:22,787 Speaker 2: and he said, look, it's been a chaotic build up. 699 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,227 Speaker 2: We haven't had any games. I think some of the 700 00:35:24,267 --> 00:35:25,267 Speaker 2: players wanted to play. 701 00:35:25,067 --> 00:35:25,827 Speaker 10: Twenty of players. 702 00:35:25,867 --> 00:35:29,467 Speaker 13: The senior players didn't want one. And what's amazing, Pony, 703 00:35:29,667 --> 00:35:31,227 Speaker 13: was that the onlies had a warm up game where 704 00:35:31,267 --> 00:35:32,867 Speaker 13: there's support start. 705 00:35:33,667 --> 00:35:35,747 Speaker 2: They had nine players. I don't vote. 706 00:35:35,747 --> 00:35:38,747 Speaker 13: Why don't we have stead and all these other guys 707 00:35:38,787 --> 00:35:40,747 Speaker 13: come out and just allow a half? Doesn't that one 708 00:35:40,787 --> 00:35:42,667 Speaker 13: of a game just to make up the numbers. 709 00:35:43,067 --> 00:35:45,507 Speaker 2: That's a great question, A great question. 710 00:35:45,387 --> 00:35:50,147 Speaker 13: The horrible and I agree with you horses for courses Monroe. 711 00:35:50,307 --> 00:35:52,187 Speaker 13: He knew how to play on the West Indian tracks. 712 00:35:52,187 --> 00:35:54,787 Speaker 13: He should have been in the same. Oh, it's just 713 00:35:55,307 --> 00:35:58,227 Speaker 13: but when you predetermine another T twenty series like we 714 00:35:58,267 --> 00:36:00,787 Speaker 13: did with Australia in New Zealand, we hardly have them 715 00:36:00,787 --> 00:36:03,467 Speaker 13: here that players can play one of three games or 716 00:36:03,467 --> 00:36:05,227 Speaker 13: two or three games. We never have our best squad 717 00:36:05,267 --> 00:36:08,827 Speaker 13: to beast the team in a series. So they are 718 00:36:08,987 --> 00:36:14,227 Speaker 13: so fraught with issues it's laughable. It's a debarkle. And 719 00:36:14,707 --> 00:36:16,867 Speaker 13: the last thing, why are we wearing teal green? We 720 00:36:16,907 --> 00:36:19,987 Speaker 13: look at what we look like martians. 721 00:36:20,707 --> 00:36:23,467 Speaker 2: Us Dominus of it. Unpack there mate, I'm glad I 722 00:36:23,507 --> 00:36:25,307 Speaker 2: gave you the chance to have a chat. Yeah, look, 723 00:36:25,347 --> 00:36:27,907 Speaker 2: this is why I'm trying to find a solution because 724 00:36:27,907 --> 00:36:30,547 Speaker 2: you're right, there are issues here, and much as Chris 725 00:36:30,627 --> 00:36:32,987 Speaker 2: Ken said, look, this is an outlier and T twenty 726 00:36:33,027 --> 00:36:35,907 Speaker 2: can be fickle and it's easy to lose games on 727 00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:39,467 Speaker 2: small moments. Maybe you're doing it to dig deeper and 728 00:36:39,507 --> 00:36:42,307 Speaker 2: look ahead. And Dobbo clearly is of the mind that 729 00:36:42,347 --> 00:36:46,227 Speaker 2: we do, and I agree, and that's why I'm trying 730 00:36:46,227 --> 00:36:49,347 Speaker 2: to come up with some sort of solutions based discussion here. 731 00:36:51,907 --> 00:36:55,587 Speaker 2: I honestly think there might be merit, and I definitely 732 00:36:55,627 --> 00:36:58,787 Speaker 2: think there's merit in having different coaches without question, but 733 00:36:58,867 --> 00:37:01,427 Speaker 2: maybe it's financial. If you if the figures that Dobbo 734 00:37:01,547 --> 00:37:04,667 Speaker 2: just told us it to be believed, then clearly, if 735 00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:06,787 Speaker 2: it's done on a pro rata basis, then you're asking 736 00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:11,227 Speaker 2: somebody to know to coach the black Cats T twenty 737 00:37:11,227 --> 00:37:14,307 Speaker 2: so for about eighty grand I mean, Steven Flem's probably 738 00:37:14,347 --> 00:37:18,707 Speaker 2: on ten times that, and the IPL has worked with Chennai. 739 00:37:19,267 --> 00:37:21,987 Speaker 2: Great to Chet Dobo. Always enjoy our conversation, Shllo Grant. 740 00:37:23,027 --> 00:37:26,787 Speaker 15: Yeah, point a good idea about the twenty twenty selection. 741 00:37:27,747 --> 00:37:32,627 Speaker 15: Some other problems, so I will afford. In general, our 742 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:34,987 Speaker 15: batting seems to be out the last few years since 743 00:37:35,027 --> 00:37:37,787 Speaker 15: to be our major problem seems to have coincided with 744 00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:41,187 Speaker 15: having a wicket keeper Luke Wonky as a batting coach. 745 00:37:41,347 --> 00:37:47,467 Speaker 15: Oldest of that for general discussion, I think, instead of 746 00:37:47,547 --> 00:37:52,827 Speaker 15: all the three formats, twenty twenty is he's not a 747 00:37:52,867 --> 00:37:54,587 Speaker 15: more autom I trying to say he's not as good 748 00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:57,267 Speaker 15: as he is, that the other format's good. It's meet 749 00:37:57,307 --> 00:37:59,587 Speaker 15: one guy as the other formats are twenty twenty. So 750 00:37:59,627 --> 00:38:03,867 Speaker 15: I think we definitely need a separate twenty twenty coach, 751 00:38:04,747 --> 00:38:09,547 Speaker 15: And I would say with Williamson, twenty twenty is his 752 00:38:09,827 --> 00:38:16,027 Speaker 15: least successful format depending on his form. I mean as batting, 753 00:38:16,347 --> 00:38:18,747 Speaker 15: you know, he's just not suited to twenty twenty. If 754 00:38:18,747 --> 00:38:21,027 Speaker 15: he's hitting the ball all over the place, then pick him. 755 00:38:21,067 --> 00:38:25,507 Speaker 15: But if he's not, then shock horror, don't pick him 756 00:38:25,547 --> 00:38:29,187 Speaker 15: in the twenty twenty team. And also, you know, I'm 757 00:38:29,227 --> 00:38:31,427 Speaker 15: sure someone else could do an equal job in twenty 758 00:38:31,467 --> 00:38:32,667 Speaker 15: twenty as a captain. 759 00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:38,387 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that day may well come at some stage. 760 00:38:38,627 --> 00:38:42,507 Speaker 2: Grant before came, Williamson calls time on his career. It 761 00:38:42,587 --> 00:38:45,667 Speaker 2: tends to be when players retire from a certain format, 762 00:38:45,707 --> 00:38:48,907 Speaker 2: they retire from the longer formats first in order to 763 00:38:48,907 --> 00:38:52,547 Speaker 2: elongate their careers and their money making opportunities at T 764 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:54,507 Speaker 2: twenty level. I like at the feeling King Williamson will 765 00:38:54,507 --> 00:38:57,627 Speaker 2: still have a few years playing franchise cricket, particularly in 766 00:38:57,667 --> 00:39:02,187 Speaker 2: the IPL. But now the power hitters in T twenty 767 00:39:02,307 --> 00:39:04,907 Speaker 2: hour are striking at one sixty pretty much from ball one, 768 00:39:05,427 --> 00:39:08,107 Speaker 2: and apart from Finn Allen and Glenn Phillips to a 769 00:39:08,147 --> 00:39:11,027 Speaker 2: lesser extent, we don't have those players and so I 770 00:39:11,147 --> 00:39:12,867 Speaker 2: just like I say, I just wonder whether we need 771 00:39:12,907 --> 00:39:18,627 Speaker 2: to find specialists. Colin Munroe is a great example. He's 772 00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:20,907 Speaker 2: been on the franchise circuit for three or four years, 773 00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:23,747 Speaker 2: had the carrot dangled in front of him earlier this 774 00:39:23,867 --> 00:39:26,547 Speaker 2: year that if he went to Pakistan he might be 775 00:39:26,547 --> 00:39:29,787 Speaker 2: in contention for this World Cup squad couldn't go, And 776 00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:32,707 Speaker 2: whether that was the reason that he wasn't selected for 777 00:39:32,747 --> 00:39:35,307 Speaker 2: the World Cup we'll never know. But when I spoke 778 00:39:35,347 --> 00:39:38,747 Speaker 2: to him on the show a couple of three weeks ago, 779 00:39:39,027 --> 00:39:42,667 Speaker 2: he seemed to intimate that he was given a pretty 780 00:39:42,667 --> 00:39:44,227 Speaker 2: good indication that he was in the frame for the 781 00:39:44,267 --> 00:39:46,627 Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup, and then that rug was pulled 782 00:39:46,627 --> 00:39:49,307 Speaker 2: out from under him. I think Colin Munroe would have 783 00:39:49,347 --> 00:39:51,667 Speaker 2: been a really good I mean, hindsights a wonderful thing, 784 00:39:51,707 --> 00:39:53,867 Speaker 2: but Colin Munroy would have been a great addition to 785 00:39:53,987 --> 00:39:57,387 Speaker 2: this team. And Brian made the point. I think it 786 00:39:57,427 --> 00:39:59,107 Speaker 2: was right at the start of our chat on this 787 00:40:00,507 --> 00:40:03,547 Speaker 2: that you know have a specialist wicket keeper, but a 788 00:40:03,547 --> 00:40:07,627 Speaker 2: specialist T twenty wicketkeeper, a wicketkeeper also a power hitter. 789 00:40:07,867 --> 00:40:10,747 Speaker 2: And Devin Conway's a terrific bat Don't get me wrong, 790 00:40:10,907 --> 00:40:13,707 Speaker 2: He's a terrific batsman and I still think a terrific 791 00:40:13,747 --> 00:40:16,067 Speaker 2: T twenty batsman. He showed that in the IPL last season. 792 00:40:17,307 --> 00:40:19,947 Speaker 2: But he don't I just don't think he loves wicket keeping. 793 00:40:20,027 --> 00:40:22,427 Speaker 2: I don't think he even likes it. What about Tim 794 00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:29,627 Speaker 2: Seifert T twenty wicket keeper power hitter from Barie. I'm 795 00:40:29,627 --> 00:40:31,187 Speaker 2: a bit of a hypocrite because I think Trent Bowl 796 00:40:31,227 --> 00:40:33,067 Speaker 2: proves himself year and year out the best T twenty 797 00:40:33,067 --> 00:40:35,427 Speaker 2: comps in the world, the IPL side in the IPL, 798 00:40:35,467 --> 00:40:36,867 Speaker 2: so he deserves to be picked. But try and convince 799 00:40:36,947 --> 00:40:38,987 Speaker 2: me our best rugby players should be allowed to be 800 00:40:39,147 --> 00:40:41,387 Speaker 2: playing overseas and be picked. I can't see him being 801 00:40:41,387 --> 00:40:43,707 Speaker 2: good for New Zealand rugby not very different scenario, Barry. 802 00:40:43,907 --> 00:40:47,107 Speaker 2: We're talking about two different formats here, the rugby. The 803 00:40:47,187 --> 00:40:50,987 Speaker 2: rugby example is very different. We're talking two different formats here, 804 00:40:51,027 --> 00:40:52,307 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what. There was a lot wrong 805 00:40:52,347 --> 00:40:54,587 Speaker 2: with New Zealand's campaign at this Cricket World Cup, but 806 00:40:54,667 --> 00:40:56,867 Speaker 2: Trent Bolts bowling was not one of those things. Seven 807 00:40:56,907 --> 00:40:58,267 Speaker 2: away from one News Talk saib. 808 00:40:59,067 --> 00:41:04,067 Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend 809 00:41:04,107 --> 00:41:05,547 Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Lyin. 810 00:41:05,867 --> 00:41:07,067 Speaker 7: You saw zed b. 811 00:41:07,707 --> 00:41:09,627 Speaker 2: Just on four to one. Just to continue the Trent 812 00:41:09,627 --> 00:41:12,667 Speaker 2: Bolt point four overs two for twenty two against Afghanistan, 813 00:41:12,747 --> 00:41:15,267 Speaker 2: four overs three for sixteen against the West Indies and 814 00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:19,587 Speaker 2: four overs two for seven against Uganda, twelve overs seven 815 00:41:19,627 --> 00:41:22,267 Speaker 2: for forty five at an average of less than six 816 00:41:22,307 --> 00:41:24,387 Speaker 2: and a half per wicket and runs per over of 817 00:41:24,427 --> 00:41:27,707 Speaker 2: three point seven five. Trent Bolt certainly was not the 818 00:41:27,707 --> 00:41:30,627 Speaker 2: problem at this T twenty Cricket World Cup and I 819 00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:34,587 Speaker 2: feel it illustrates the point get T twenty specialists playing 820 00:41:34,707 --> 00:41:37,747 Speaker 2: T twenty cricket for New Zealand Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan 821 00:41:37,867 --> 00:41:39,667 Speaker 2: after one the. 822 00:41:39,507 --> 00:41:44,427 Speaker 1: Only place for the big names, the big issues the 823 00:41:44,467 --> 00:41:49,707 Speaker 1: big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on Weekend 824 00:41:49,747 --> 00:41:53,827 Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport News 825 00:41:53,867 --> 00:41:54,387 Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB. 826 00:41:56,427 --> 00:41:58,907 Speaker 2: Hello one O seven. Its welcome into the show. Well, 827 00:41:58,907 --> 00:42:00,587 Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. As the case may be, 828 00:42:00,787 --> 00:42:04,267 Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine Mark Kelly as executive producer. Today, I 829 00:42:04,307 --> 00:42:07,107 Speaker 2: want to talk to warriors this hour. What is it 830 00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:10,507 Speaker 2: about the Melbourne Storm? Why can't we beat them? I 831 00:42:10,507 --> 00:42:13,867 Speaker 2: mean it can't. Sixteen games in a row is a 832 00:42:13,947 --> 00:42:16,587 Speaker 2: long It's a long drought, isn't it. And I thought 833 00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:19,707 Speaker 2: last night fourteen knill ahead, I thought this could be ye, 834 00:42:20,187 --> 00:42:22,987 Speaker 2: the drought is breaking. Unfortunately wasn't to be the case. 835 00:42:23,267 --> 00:42:26,387 Speaker 2: We're gonna be out about that. Actually we'll take some 836 00:42:26,427 --> 00:42:27,947 Speaker 2: calls on that a bit later on the I want 837 00:42:27,947 --> 00:42:31,067 Speaker 2: to focus on the Super Rugby semi final last night 838 00:42:31,227 --> 00:42:34,747 Speaker 2: or earlier on in the evening afternoon kickoff if you 839 00:42:34,787 --> 00:42:36,827 Speaker 2: call it that. Four thirty five yesterday, Chiefs getting up 840 00:42:36,827 --> 00:42:40,227 Speaker 2: over the Hurricanes. James mccony this hour as well, with 841 00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:44,307 Speaker 2: his regular offerings on a Sunday updating you on some 842 00:42:44,347 --> 00:42:48,067 Speaker 2: live sport. Scotland going along quite nicely. Actually they're not 843 00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:50,667 Speaker 2: going Actually they are going along nicely. I was going 844 00:42:50,707 --> 00:42:53,427 Speaker 2: to say they're not going that good a clip, but 845 00:42:53,507 --> 00:42:58,547 Speaker 2: they're eighty four for one, Scotland batting first against Australia 846 00:42:58,587 --> 00:43:00,387 Speaker 2: and we're only in the ninth over, So what's it? 847 00:43:00,427 --> 00:43:05,707 Speaker 2: They're going at tens. George Munsey twenty eight night out 848 00:43:05,747 --> 00:43:11,947 Speaker 2: of twenty and Brandon McMullen. Brandon McMullin. I've heard of him, 849 00:43:12,107 --> 00:43:14,787 Speaker 2: didn't he he played? This isn't his first rodeo? 850 00:43:14,947 --> 00:43:15,187 Speaker 16: Is it? 851 00:43:15,627 --> 00:43:16,187 Speaker 2: Fifty one? 852 00:43:16,267 --> 00:43:16,347 Speaker 7: Not? 853 00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:19,027 Speaker 2: Out of twenty seven balls. He's at two fours and 854 00:43:19,067 --> 00:43:27,347 Speaker 2: five sixers. Brandon McMullen nearly a namesake of another power hitter. 855 00:43:28,227 --> 00:43:30,987 Speaker 2: Now I'll keep an eye on that for you Scotland. Remember, 856 00:43:31,027 --> 00:43:32,787 Speaker 2: if they win, we'll go through to the Super eight 857 00:43:32,867 --> 00:43:37,427 Speaker 2: and England will be going home. Nine past one, the 858 00:43:37,507 --> 00:43:39,947 Speaker 2: Chiefs have booked their spot in the twenty twenty four 859 00:43:40,027 --> 00:43:43,347 Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific Final against the Blues, beating the Hurricanes 860 00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:47,387 Speaker 2: thirty points to nineteen in yesterday's second semi and Wellington 861 00:43:47,507 --> 00:43:48,707 Speaker 2: and decepted by their tt. 862 00:43:49,067 --> 00:43:52,347 Speaker 3: He's over halfway, he's over the ten, he's over the 863 00:43:52,387 --> 00:43:55,307 Speaker 3: twenty two, being chased hard at a great tackle by 864 00:43:55,387 --> 00:43:57,667 Speaker 3: Devin Flanders. It's still there for the Chiefs go out 865 00:43:57,707 --> 00:44:00,467 Speaker 3: towards the left and they will store in the corner 866 00:44:00,987 --> 00:44:02,467 Speaker 3: through Daniel Rona. 867 00:44:03,267 --> 00:44:03,707 Speaker 15: Wallace. 868 00:44:03,747 --> 00:44:06,187 Speaker 2: The tt has been massive tonight. 869 00:44:06,507 --> 00:44:09,387 Speaker 3: He sprints at fifteen meters, tackled by Flanders, but they 870 00:44:09,467 --> 00:44:10,547 Speaker 3: recycled quickly. 871 00:44:11,027 --> 00:44:14,147 Speaker 2: Daniel Rona and in the corner there. It was a 872 00:44:14,227 --> 00:44:18,067 Speaker 2: terrific performance from the Chiefs and Wallace Atiti. My days, 873 00:44:18,507 --> 00:44:22,787 Speaker 2: what a player. He reminds me of Sioni Lwaki the 874 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:26,147 Speaker 2: way he plays the game. And he just seems to 875 00:44:26,187 --> 00:44:29,227 Speaker 2: have a tremendous future, doesn't he already? I see there 876 00:44:29,227 --> 00:44:32,387 Speaker 2: are calls for him to be fast tracked into the 877 00:44:32,427 --> 00:44:34,267 Speaker 2: All Blacks. I guess we and see there's some pretty 878 00:44:34,267 --> 00:44:36,387 Speaker 2: handy loose forwards going around and Brady and Joss has 879 00:44:36,387 --> 00:44:40,547 Speaker 2: had a good season. Two But Wallace Atiti last night crikey. 880 00:44:40,907 --> 00:44:43,387 Speaker 2: The Chiefs out to a fourteen mil lead after just 881 00:44:43,667 --> 00:44:47,627 Speaker 2: seven minutes. They led seventeen to seven at halftime. Both 882 00:44:48,107 --> 00:44:50,627 Speaker 2: both sides rather scored three tries in the game. The 883 00:44:50,627 --> 00:44:56,067 Speaker 2: difference a perfect goal kicking performance from Chiefs playmaker Damien McKenzie. 884 00:44:56,387 --> 00:44:59,987 Speaker 2: Three penalties as well as three conversions. The Chiefs also 885 00:45:00,067 --> 00:45:02,947 Speaker 2: played twenty minutes of the game with just fourteen men. 886 00:45:03,307 --> 00:45:06,107 Speaker 2: Yellow cards to Summer Penny Fenale for head to head 887 00:45:06,107 --> 00:45:11,147 Speaker 2: con tacked against TJ Petnada and Luke Jacobson for a 888 00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:15,467 Speaker 2: late tackle on Jordi Barrett. So the Blues will host 889 00:45:15,507 --> 00:45:19,627 Speaker 2: the Chiefs in next Saturday's final at Eden Park. Very 890 00:45:19,787 --> 00:45:22,467 Speaker 2: surely going to chat to Chiefs head coach Clayton McMillan 891 00:45:22,547 --> 00:45:25,707 Speaker 2: just quickly though. Damien McKenzie a standout last night. He 892 00:45:25,747 --> 00:45:28,507 Speaker 2: spoke briefly with our sideline I Matt Buck after the 893 00:45:28,547 --> 00:45:30,387 Speaker 2: final whistle to give his assessment. 894 00:45:31,267 --> 00:45:32,187 Speaker 17: Yeah, it was tough. 895 00:45:33,187 --> 00:45:34,387 Speaker 7: Probably commend our forwards. 896 00:45:35,347 --> 00:45:36,947 Speaker 4: You know, last couple of games we've played them, we've 897 00:45:36,947 --> 00:45:39,387 Speaker 4: we've probably been beating up front and she's the boys 898 00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:41,227 Speaker 4: come out and fired right from the star. We had 899 00:45:41,267 --> 00:45:44,347 Speaker 4: a great start and then so absorbed the pressure under 900 00:45:44,387 --> 00:45:46,267 Speaker 4: forty men for a couple of times was outstanding. 901 00:45:46,307 --> 00:45:47,307 Speaker 2: So our fords were awesome. 902 00:45:47,667 --> 00:45:50,347 Speaker 4: I thought we kicked well, put pressure on throracticking game 903 00:45:50,387 --> 00:45:51,627 Speaker 4: and then come with us some good points and just 904 00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:54,907 Speaker 4: proud of the Aphit's on defense, this championship defense. 905 00:45:54,587 --> 00:45:57,027 Speaker 2: And hope for we Gontas next week Damien. 906 00:45:57,307 --> 00:45:59,027 Speaker 17: The kicking game, you talked about a lot of aerial 907 00:45:59,107 --> 00:46:01,227 Speaker 17: ping pong. Did that plan into your hands? Do you 908 00:46:01,347 --> 00:46:02,547 Speaker 17: enjoy that you were kicking the ball? 909 00:46:02,587 --> 00:46:02,747 Speaker 16: Well? 910 00:46:02,787 --> 00:46:04,827 Speaker 17: But were you surprised so much ball? The Hurricanes kick 911 00:46:04,867 --> 00:46:05,107 Speaker 17: back to. 912 00:46:05,107 --> 00:46:07,827 Speaker 4: You a lot of threats back during their back three, 913 00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:09,707 Speaker 4: and you know when you come down to the Cayton, 914 00:46:09,787 --> 00:46:11,747 Speaker 4: the ones around you just don't know what the one's 915 00:46:11,747 --> 00:46:14,547 Speaker 4: really doing. So I guess it's about putting us in 916 00:46:14,547 --> 00:46:15,787 Speaker 4: the right ears of the field. You know, our Fords 917 00:46:15,787 --> 00:46:16,827 Speaker 4: has done a lot of work, so we want to 918 00:46:16,907 --> 00:46:18,587 Speaker 4: keep the ball in front of them, and I thought 919 00:46:18,587 --> 00:46:20,107 Speaker 4: we did a really good job of that tonight and 920 00:46:20,147 --> 00:46:22,227 Speaker 4: our kickchasing is excellence. Putt them under pressure with their 921 00:46:22,227 --> 00:46:24,787 Speaker 4: back three are very dangerous, so very happy. 922 00:46:25,267 --> 00:46:27,067 Speaker 17: You look very happy as well. There's a couple of 923 00:46:27,147 --> 00:46:29,347 Speaker 17: quick ones before I let you go and join your teammates. 924 00:46:29,467 --> 00:46:31,187 Speaker 17: You've got a pretty hot number eight running around at 925 00:46:31,227 --> 00:46:32,507 Speaker 17: the moment, haven't you made? 926 00:46:32,507 --> 00:46:34,587 Speaker 4: He's outstanding. He's he's a young kid, he's he's he's 927 00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:37,267 Speaker 4: still learning them, but he's sat right right into his 928 00:46:37,387 --> 00:46:42,187 Speaker 4: role this year and every week he keeps standing up and. 929 00:46:41,227 --> 00:46:43,387 Speaker 2: He's got a bright future ahead. Of him and he's 930 00:46:43,427 --> 00:46:44,187 Speaker 2: a big part of our team. 931 00:46:44,187 --> 00:46:45,187 Speaker 17: We're going to need him next week. 932 00:46:45,307 --> 00:46:47,387 Speaker 2: There's Damien mckinns who will leave it there with Matt 933 00:46:47,427 --> 00:46:50,627 Speaker 2: Buck's side on because Clayton McMillan joins us on weekend Sport. 934 00:46:50,667 --> 00:46:53,547 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time, Clayton after the overnight Test. 935 00:46:53,987 --> 00:46:56,707 Speaker 2: How pleased dare you with last last night's performance? 936 00:47:00,147 --> 00:47:03,707 Speaker 18: You're finding it pretty pretty good mate. He's always going 937 00:47:03,747 --> 00:47:05,467 Speaker 18: to be a really tough ass to go down and 938 00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:11,907 Speaker 18: been a quality Hurricanes team in Wellington. A lot of 939 00:47:11,947 --> 00:47:13,867 Speaker 18: teams have gone down there in the past and failed 940 00:47:13,907 --> 00:47:17,667 Speaker 18: and was really satisfying to get the result and we 941 00:47:17,707 --> 00:47:18,827 Speaker 18: look forward to another week. 942 00:47:19,547 --> 00:47:22,387 Speaker 2: How crucial was your fast start to build a bit 943 00:47:22,387 --> 00:47:25,707 Speaker 2: of scoreboard pressure on them. 944 00:47:26,627 --> 00:47:28,427 Speaker 18: Yeah, we talked about as part of our build up 945 00:47:28,467 --> 00:47:33,387 Speaker 18: around trying to generate some early momentum. We kind of 946 00:47:33,387 --> 00:47:37,067 Speaker 18: felt that, you know, watching the Hurricanes a week before 947 00:47:37,107 --> 00:47:40,067 Speaker 18: against the Rebels, it looked a little bit tighter than 948 00:47:40,067 --> 00:47:43,907 Speaker 18: they had been throughout the throughout Paul play, and that 949 00:47:44,267 --> 00:47:47,307 Speaker 18: comes from being the team that everyone's chasing and then 950 00:47:47,347 --> 00:47:51,507 Speaker 18: that expectation at home to keep winning. So it was 951 00:47:51,547 --> 00:47:53,947 Speaker 18: important for us to start well and we run a 952 00:47:53,947 --> 00:47:57,467 Speaker 18: few opportunities which we we we nailed and you know, 953 00:47:57,507 --> 00:48:00,227 Speaker 18: we really didn't really relinquish the lead from that point on. 954 00:48:00,987 --> 00:48:03,267 Speaker 2: Can you just expand on that a bit. You said 955 00:48:03,267 --> 00:48:05,027 Speaker 2: it in the post match as well, that you sensed 956 00:48:05,027 --> 00:48:08,547 Speaker 2: some anxiety and the Hurricanes went over the Rebels in 957 00:48:08,587 --> 00:48:11,227 Speaker 2: their quarter final last weekend. How did you factor that 958 00:48:11,307 --> 00:48:13,827 Speaker 2: into your game preparation for us today? 959 00:48:17,467 --> 00:48:21,027 Speaker 18: We're just we just understand from having been in a 960 00:48:21,067 --> 00:48:26,867 Speaker 18: similar situation feeling recently around how that expectation can you know, 961 00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:30,627 Speaker 18: way heavy on your mind at times, and and we 962 00:48:30,707 --> 00:48:34,827 Speaker 18: just saw little things in their game that weren't really 963 00:48:34,867 --> 00:48:38,387 Speaker 18: consistent with what we saw through pool play. So and 964 00:48:38,427 --> 00:48:41,307 Speaker 18: it's just that's natural that just that just happens to Tens. 965 00:48:42,347 --> 00:48:45,987 Speaker 18: We felt it, and it's as why, as I said 966 00:48:46,027 --> 00:48:47,907 Speaker 18: last night, you take your head off to a team. 967 00:48:47,627 --> 00:48:50,627 Speaker 10: Like the Crusaders, who everybody's. 968 00:48:50,147 --> 00:48:52,627 Speaker 18: Been chasing over the last seven or eight years, and 969 00:48:52,667 --> 00:48:57,027 Speaker 18: they managed to skip keep pointing away. Look, we just 970 00:48:57,067 --> 00:48:59,067 Speaker 18: we had to create some pressure really for them to 971 00:48:59,067 --> 00:49:03,067 Speaker 18: feel uncomfortable and to potentially be chasing the game. 972 00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:04,307 Speaker 10: And that's what I'm folded. 973 00:49:05,187 --> 00:49:07,507 Speaker 2: Do you see anything some are in the Blues. 974 00:49:11,587 --> 00:49:13,187 Speaker 10: Now the Blues are probably at the other end of 975 00:49:13,187 --> 00:49:13,707 Speaker 10: the spectrum. 976 00:49:13,747 --> 00:49:15,987 Speaker 18: I think they're pretty confident with the way they've been going, 977 00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:18,667 Speaker 18: and they were they were pretty impressive around how they 978 00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:23,507 Speaker 18: went about their business against the Brumbies, another extremely tough 979 00:49:23,507 --> 00:49:24,307 Speaker 18: place to go and win. 980 00:49:24,707 --> 00:49:25,187 Speaker 10: Eden Park. 981 00:49:26,267 --> 00:49:33,707 Speaker 18: Blues playing a very direct, competive game and even though 982 00:49:33,707 --> 00:49:36,427 Speaker 18: they've had their fair share of injuries, they really care 983 00:49:36,427 --> 00:49:37,987 Speaker 18: on how they want to play and every player that 984 00:49:38,067 --> 00:49:42,507 Speaker 18: steps up as has been delivering for them. So it's 985 00:49:42,547 --> 00:49:44,947 Speaker 18: but we won't have to do too much work to understand, 986 00:49:45,387 --> 00:49:46,747 Speaker 18: you know, how they're going to play the game, what 987 00:49:46,787 --> 00:49:48,427 Speaker 18: they're going to throw at us on the weekend. But 988 00:49:49,867 --> 00:49:52,467 Speaker 18: it's a it's a challenge that we're relishing. 989 00:49:53,347 --> 00:49:56,067 Speaker 2: You lost both of your hookahs last night, Summersny Tokyo 990 00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:58,547 Speaker 2: who limped off on the first half, Bradley Slater in 991 00:49:58,587 --> 00:50:01,147 Speaker 2: the SEC and any update you can give us on 992 00:50:01,187 --> 00:50:01,627 Speaker 2: those two. 993 00:50:04,427 --> 00:50:08,547 Speaker 18: It's not looking great for SUMMASONI. He's got a an 994 00:50:08,587 --> 00:50:11,347 Speaker 18: ac kill's injury that looks looks like it's going to 995 00:50:11,387 --> 00:50:13,787 Speaker 18: be pretty serious, which is unfortunate not just for us 996 00:50:13,867 --> 00:50:17,147 Speaker 18: but for him and and probably has all but prospects 997 00:50:17,187 --> 00:50:17,707 Speaker 18: of less. 998 00:50:17,507 --> 00:50:21,267 Speaker 10: Than the immediate future and Bentley Slater are still a 999 00:50:21,307 --> 00:50:22,267 Speaker 10: little bit of an unknown. 1000 00:50:22,267 --> 00:50:26,467 Speaker 18: We're hopeful that he will know just a minor MCL 1001 00:50:26,587 --> 00:50:29,707 Speaker 18: that will sort of loosen up and with a couple 1002 00:50:29,747 --> 00:50:31,627 Speaker 18: of roles of strapping tape, he might be able to 1003 00:50:31,627 --> 00:50:34,507 Speaker 18: get back out there next week. But we've got young 1004 00:50:34,587 --> 00:50:37,947 Speaker 18: Tyrone Thompson who's been been a great performer for us 1005 00:50:37,947 --> 00:50:40,827 Speaker 18: over the last two or three years. He's been sitting 1006 00:50:40,867 --> 00:50:42,667 Speaker 18: in the wings waiting for his opportunity and there will 1007 00:50:42,667 --> 00:50:43,027 Speaker 18: get it. 1008 00:50:42,947 --> 00:50:43,467 Speaker 10: On the weekend. 1009 00:50:44,387 --> 00:50:47,387 Speaker 2: Sean Stevenson a late withdrawal from yesterday's game. Will he 1010 00:50:47,427 --> 00:50:48,267 Speaker 2: be okay for the final? 1011 00:50:48,307 --> 00:50:48,747 Speaker 17: Do you think? 1012 00:50:51,067 --> 00:50:54,227 Speaker 18: Yeah, well, he's a much stronger chance. So they trained 1013 00:50:54,227 --> 00:50:57,707 Speaker 18: all week with us, but it just wasn't quite at 1014 00:50:57,707 --> 00:51:01,347 Speaker 18: one hundred percent. Didn't want to compromise the team, and 1015 00:51:01,667 --> 00:51:04,147 Speaker 18: you know, we made a tough decision to leave him out. 1016 00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:09,707 Speaker 18: But the silver lining is that he's is potentially going 1017 00:51:09,747 --> 00:51:11,787 Speaker 18: to be in a better space this week. And you 1018 00:51:11,827 --> 00:51:14,947 Speaker 18: know there's another experienced body that would love to have 1019 00:51:15,107 --> 00:51:16,387 Speaker 18: running out with us on the weekend. 1020 00:51:17,427 --> 00:51:20,667 Speaker 2: Wallace Satiti turned a lot of heads last night, in fact, 1021 00:51:20,707 --> 00:51:23,227 Speaker 2: not just last night, He's been doing that right across 1022 00:51:23,267 --> 00:51:26,387 Speaker 2: the season. What have you made of his progress as 1023 00:51:26,387 --> 00:51:27,827 Speaker 2: a Super Rugby player this season? 1024 00:51:30,747 --> 00:51:36,107 Speaker 18: Are pretty rapid, But we always were confident that he 1025 00:51:36,147 --> 00:51:38,947 Speaker 18: had a lot of potential, a very high ceiling. 1026 00:51:40,067 --> 00:51:42,827 Speaker 10: Mean, to be fair, probably never really expected. 1027 00:51:42,387 --> 00:51:45,707 Speaker 18: Him to deliver the sort of performances that he's been 1028 00:51:46,507 --> 00:51:49,867 Speaker 18: able to deliver for us on a consistent basis since 1029 00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:53,627 Speaker 18: he has given us first opportunity in about round five 1030 00:51:53,867 --> 00:51:56,827 Speaker 18: of Super Rugby this year. But look, he's a smart 1031 00:51:56,867 --> 00:52:02,907 Speaker 18: young man, real real mature here on his shoulders, massive 1032 00:52:02,947 --> 00:52:08,867 Speaker 18: appetite for learning, and just a genuinely good human sook. 1033 00:52:09,187 --> 00:52:11,907 Speaker 18: He's got all the physical attributes, he's got the mental 1034 00:52:11,987 --> 00:52:13,307 Speaker 18: attitude to. 1035 00:52:13,307 --> 00:52:14,387 Speaker 10: Go a long way in the game. 1036 00:52:14,427 --> 00:52:19,507 Speaker 18: He's still young men with things to learn. But he's 1037 00:52:19,547 --> 00:52:22,307 Speaker 18: certainly certainly putting himself in the shop window. 1038 00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:24,387 Speaker 2: That's for sure. That's for sure. He had a couple 1039 00:52:24,427 --> 00:52:26,707 Speaker 2: of guys go to the bin last night, Clayton. There 1040 00:52:26,747 --> 00:52:29,587 Speaker 2: was also an incident that appeared to annoy you, actually 1041 00:52:29,587 --> 00:52:32,867 Speaker 2: involving t J Petnada and Wallace to Titi, Is it 1042 00:52:32,947 --> 00:52:35,827 Speaker 2: the inconsistency that is most frustrating for you in these things? 1043 00:52:38,987 --> 00:52:39,387 Speaker 10: Yeah, it is. 1044 00:52:39,867 --> 00:52:42,147 Speaker 18: It is to be fair, and I wouldn't be the 1045 00:52:42,147 --> 00:52:46,707 Speaker 18: only coach that probably gets a bit frustrated that I 1046 00:52:46,707 --> 00:52:50,787 Speaker 18: guess the inconsistency of how some of these tackles have 1047 00:52:50,867 --> 00:52:55,787 Speaker 18: been officiated, and that pains to point out last night, 1048 00:52:55,867 --> 00:52:59,707 Speaker 18: there and nothing against you know, the referees and the 1049 00:52:59,707 --> 00:53:02,787 Speaker 18: TMO that made decisions last night, Like we all will 1050 00:53:02,827 --> 00:53:04,547 Speaker 18: live and die by the sword of decisions that they 1051 00:53:04,587 --> 00:53:05,307 Speaker 18: have made on the night. 1052 00:53:05,347 --> 00:53:06,707 Speaker 10: You just live with them and move forward. 1053 00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:10,227 Speaker 18: But it's just so hard made us, I reckon we 1054 00:53:10,627 --> 00:53:13,947 Speaker 18: you know, we've we've put ourselves in a position where 1055 00:53:15,787 --> 00:53:17,827 Speaker 18: we just don't know what a penalty is, what a 1056 00:53:17,947 --> 00:53:20,467 Speaker 18: yellow card is, what a red card is, what mitigation 1057 00:53:20,587 --> 00:53:25,467 Speaker 18: looks like from one instance to the next, and and 1058 00:53:25,507 --> 00:53:27,947 Speaker 18: no one wants to get those decisions wrong. But the 1059 00:53:27,987 --> 00:53:30,627 Speaker 18: fact that we can't have a number of people sit 1060 00:53:30,667 --> 00:53:34,387 Speaker 18: in the room and collectively come out with some agreement 1061 00:53:34,427 --> 00:53:38,387 Speaker 18: around what, you know, what each scenario looks like, is 1062 00:53:38,427 --> 00:53:41,427 Speaker 18: probably just something that needs to be talked through by 1063 00:53:41,467 --> 00:53:43,227 Speaker 18: people that get back a lot more money than me 1064 00:53:45,787 --> 00:53:48,787 Speaker 18: at some stage, because you can, as we can, have 1065 00:53:48,787 --> 00:53:51,067 Speaker 18: a big impact on the outcome of games. 1066 00:53:52,587 --> 00:53:54,067 Speaker 2: I think a lot of our listeners are nodding their 1067 00:53:54,107 --> 00:53:57,547 Speaker 2: heads as we as we speak after Friday nights, when 1068 00:53:57,947 --> 00:53:59,867 Speaker 2: Blues coach for and Corder, who I know you know well, 1069 00:54:00,307 --> 00:54:01,787 Speaker 2: was asked if he'd rather play the Chiefs or the 1070 00:54:01,867 --> 00:54:04,467 Speaker 2: Hurricanes in the final, he said, that's like choosing between 1071 00:54:04,547 --> 00:54:07,227 Speaker 2: cholera and the plague. So which one do you reckon? 1072 00:54:07,267 --> 00:54:07,907 Speaker 2: You guys are. 1073 00:54:11,467 --> 00:54:16,747 Speaker 10: Wow, he's he's a good man, and he's you know, 1074 00:54:16,787 --> 00:54:19,907 Speaker 10: he's an experience an experienced coach that he's got a 1075 00:54:19,907 --> 00:54:23,507 Speaker 10: good way with words. I don't care which. 1076 00:54:23,307 --> 00:54:25,107 Speaker 18: One we are or We'll just bring the best version 1077 00:54:25,107 --> 00:54:27,987 Speaker 18: of ourselves and we'll hope that you know, that will 1078 00:54:28,027 --> 00:54:31,827 Speaker 18: cause them a few problems and then we get our 1079 00:54:31,827 --> 00:54:34,027 Speaker 18: fist year of access into the game and give them 1080 00:54:34,067 --> 00:54:34,907 Speaker 18: something to think about. 1081 00:54:34,947 --> 00:54:37,187 Speaker 10: So big week for both teams. 1082 00:54:37,987 --> 00:54:40,187 Speaker 18: I've had the advantage, I guess, of having an extra 1083 00:54:40,267 --> 00:54:43,987 Speaker 18: day's recovery, and after we're we're pretty banged up at 1084 00:54:44,027 --> 00:54:46,947 Speaker 18: the moment to be to be really transparent, a lot 1085 00:54:46,947 --> 00:54:48,547 Speaker 18: of claire or damage after last night. 1086 00:54:48,587 --> 00:54:50,507 Speaker 10: So I imagine our week will look a little bit different. 1087 00:54:50,547 --> 00:54:54,027 Speaker 18: It will largely be about just getting the bodies right 1088 00:54:54,147 --> 00:54:58,307 Speaker 18: and the mind's right, and and you know that that 1089 00:54:58,387 --> 00:55:00,387 Speaker 18: won't necessarily look like us, have been out on the 1090 00:55:00,427 --> 00:55:02,667 Speaker 18: rugby field for long periods of time trying to put 1091 00:55:02,667 --> 00:55:04,827 Speaker 18: a plan together to take on the Blues. 1092 00:55:05,827 --> 00:55:08,187 Speaker 2: So apart from summer Sorney, is there anybody who's definitely 1093 00:55:08,227 --> 00:55:08,867 Speaker 2: out next week? 1094 00:55:12,107 --> 00:55:13,787 Speaker 10: I mate this. Yeah. 1095 00:55:13,787 --> 00:55:15,867 Speaker 18: I don't want to speculate too much at this stage, 1096 00:55:15,867 --> 00:55:19,307 Speaker 18: but I'd say that there's probably about five guys out 1097 00:55:19,307 --> 00:55:21,187 Speaker 18: of the last night they've played the last night's game, 1098 00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:25,027 Speaker 18: they've got a definite question mark around there available to 1099 00:55:25,067 --> 00:55:25,667 Speaker 18: play this week. 1100 00:55:26,347 --> 00:55:28,947 Speaker 2: Jeepers. All right, well, I'll let you get into the 1101 00:55:28,987 --> 00:55:31,907 Speaker 2: recovery room with them and start doing what you need 1102 00:55:31,947 --> 00:55:33,747 Speaker 2: to do just before, just before you go, I do 1103 00:55:33,787 --> 00:55:36,027 Speaker 2: want to thank you for your access you gave us 1104 00:55:36,267 --> 00:55:38,307 Speaker 2: both here today but also on here last night. It's 1105 00:55:38,347 --> 00:55:41,147 Speaker 2: not every head coach you'll join a radio broadcast before 1106 00:55:41,187 --> 00:55:44,147 Speaker 2: a game and also at halftime. Clayton, we greatly appreciate that. 1107 00:55:44,227 --> 00:55:45,907 Speaker 2: All the best for the week ahead and for the 1108 00:55:45,907 --> 00:55:46,907 Speaker 2: Grand Final as well. 1109 00:55:46,747 --> 00:55:50,867 Speaker 10: Mate, Yeah, no worries. Thank you very much. 1110 00:55:51,587 --> 00:55:54,427 Speaker 2: All the best, Clayton McMullan, head coach of the Chiefs 1111 00:55:54,427 --> 00:55:56,787 Speaker 2: with a big week ahead of him, a second success 1112 00:55:56,827 --> 00:56:00,107 Speaker 2: of Grand Final for the Chiefs up against the Blues. 1113 00:56:00,267 --> 00:56:01,987 Speaker 2: That is interesting what he said at the end of this. 1114 00:56:02,107 --> 00:56:04,467 Speaker 2: I definitely no Summer Sauny talkie A. That's that's a 1115 00:56:04,507 --> 00:56:08,067 Speaker 2: given Kelly's problem. He's out and may well be out 1116 00:56:08,107 --> 00:56:10,307 Speaker 2: of the initial test matches for the All Blacks as 1117 00:56:10,347 --> 00:56:13,627 Speaker 2: well against England and then Figi. So that's another little 1118 00:56:13,867 --> 00:56:17,147 Speaker 2: head scratch if for Scott Robertson as he plans for 1119 00:56:17,547 --> 00:56:20,067 Speaker 2: his first tests as All Blacks head coach, he names 1120 00:56:20,067 --> 00:56:23,387 Speaker 2: that side. Incidentally, a week tomorrow a thirty two man 1121 00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:27,707 Speaker 2: squad will be named a week tomorrow Monday the twenty 1122 00:56:28,147 --> 00:56:30,987 Speaker 2: what will that be, the twenty fourth of June five 1123 00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:33,747 Speaker 2: point thirty in the afternoon, and he's going to do 1124 00:56:33,747 --> 00:56:36,187 Speaker 2: it in christ Church, which is probably fair enough seeing 1125 00:56:36,187 --> 00:56:38,707 Speaker 2: that's where he's from. But yeah, he won't be able 1126 00:56:38,707 --> 00:56:41,347 Speaker 2: to pick Summer Sauny Trkiyah Cody Taylor, you have to think, 1127 00:56:41,467 --> 00:56:44,147 Speaker 2: is a dead shot for one of the hooker's spots, 1128 00:56:44,147 --> 00:56:48,027 Speaker 2: but without Tokiya Hoole there and a Safaoar Moore has 1129 00:56:48,107 --> 00:56:50,787 Speaker 2: to be moving firmly into that frame if he wasn't 1130 00:56:50,787 --> 00:56:53,507 Speaker 2: there already, And then you start thinking to yourself, who 1131 00:56:53,587 --> 00:56:56,387 Speaker 2: is the third hooker in a thirty two man squad. 1132 00:56:57,387 --> 00:57:01,107 Speaker 2: If Takiyaho's not there, who's your third hooker? If a 1133 00:57:01,107 --> 00:57:03,347 Speaker 2: Safawar Moore is indeed the second, which I think he 1134 00:57:03,387 --> 00:57:07,907 Speaker 2: probably is. At eighty ten eighty, anything that you heard 1135 00:57:07,907 --> 00:57:10,747 Speaker 2: from Clayton McMillan, Now, I really really like Clayton McMillan. 1136 00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:13,707 Speaker 2: I must say. I really like the way that he 1137 00:57:13,747 --> 00:57:19,347 Speaker 2: goes about things, just very considered, but makes good logical points, 1138 00:57:19,827 --> 00:57:24,347 Speaker 2: coaches that team terrifically well, obviously has the respect of 1139 00:57:24,667 --> 00:57:28,307 Speaker 2: his fellow coaches and all of those players too. And yeah, 1140 00:57:28,387 --> 00:57:30,467 Speaker 2: just just listening to him there and also having the 1141 00:57:30,547 --> 00:57:34,307 Speaker 2: chance to listen to him in the postmatch media conference 1142 00:57:34,387 --> 00:57:38,987 Speaker 2: in Wellington yesterday, it's it's obvious just what a quality 1143 00:57:39,507 --> 00:57:43,107 Speaker 2: coach and a quality human being he is. I eight 1144 00:57:43,227 --> 00:57:45,867 Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty want to talk chiefs with you. Look, 1145 00:57:45,947 --> 00:57:48,067 Speaker 2: Chiefs fans, can you can ring up and give it 1146 00:57:48,067 --> 00:57:49,707 Speaker 2: to me if you like? You know that I'm a 1147 00:57:49,787 --> 00:57:51,907 Speaker 2: Hurricanes fan. You know I'll be a bit gutted today. 1148 00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:54,547 Speaker 2: Feel free to kick me when I'm down, That's okay, 1149 00:57:54,587 --> 00:57:58,067 Speaker 2: happy for you to do that, or just luxuriate in 1150 00:57:58,107 --> 00:58:00,387 Speaker 2: the win and the reasons for it. What did you 1151 00:58:00,427 --> 00:58:04,107 Speaker 2: see in that game that gave the Chiefs the edge. 1152 00:58:04,667 --> 00:58:06,827 Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighties out him nine two 1153 00:58:06,907 --> 00:58:08,867 Speaker 2: ninety two. If you would prefer to send us a text, 1154 00:58:08,987 --> 00:58:10,787 Speaker 2: we're back with your calls on the rugby after this. 1155 00:58:12,187 --> 00:58:15,667 Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call oh eight 1156 00:58:15,707 --> 00:58:18,667 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty weekends Forward with Jason. 1157 00:58:18,427 --> 00:58:19,467 Speaker 7: Fain and GJ. 1158 00:58:19,627 --> 00:58:22,427 Speaker 1: Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's first trusted home builder. 1159 00:58:22,547 --> 00:58:23,787 Speaker 7: News talks a baby. 1160 00:58:23,987 --> 00:58:25,987 Speaker 2: One twenty six four border course to get to, but 1161 00:58:26,027 --> 00:58:27,707 Speaker 2: just before I do, a couple of text hype piney, 1162 00:58:27,747 --> 00:58:30,627 Speaker 2: can anyone tell me why TJ. Peinada wasn't yellow cardiff 1163 00:58:30,667 --> 00:58:33,147 Speaker 2: that head on head contact. His expression afterwards was a 1164 00:58:33,147 --> 00:58:36,027 Speaker 2: worried one, as he knew he'd made contact head on head. 1165 00:58:36,227 --> 00:58:39,187 Speaker 2: I think that's what Clayton McMillan was saying, that we 1166 00:58:39,347 --> 00:58:43,027 Speaker 2: just don't know, you know, we don't know what is 1167 00:58:43,067 --> 00:58:46,107 Speaker 2: and what isn't a yellow carter red carter penalty. There 1168 00:58:46,147 --> 00:58:49,227 Speaker 2: just seems to be no consistency that can be applied 1169 00:58:49,267 --> 00:58:51,667 Speaker 2: across a range of different incidents. And I know they're 1170 00:58:51,667 --> 00:58:55,347 Speaker 2: all different, but there doesn't You could see Clayton's expression 1171 00:58:55,387 --> 00:58:57,427 Speaker 2: in the box when he'd already had a couple of 1172 00:58:57,427 --> 00:59:02,427 Speaker 2: guys for different incidents yellowcarded and then that one went unpunished. Yeah, 1173 00:59:02,707 --> 00:59:05,867 Speaker 2: he's right to be confused by that. And from this 1174 00:59:05,947 --> 00:59:08,787 Speaker 2: Blues and Pinty perfect result from Blues country home final. 1175 00:59:09,227 --> 00:59:11,747 Speaker 2: Injuries are plenty and key position for an opposition that 1176 00:59:11,827 --> 00:59:16,347 Speaker 2: potentially played their final last night. Happy days. Yes, I 1177 00:59:16,387 --> 00:59:18,507 Speaker 2: think the Blues will be rightful favorites. Right, let's get 1178 00:59:18,547 --> 00:59:21,507 Speaker 2: to the calls. Hello, Mark, hey. 1179 00:59:21,347 --> 00:59:23,707 Speaker 19: Pay, how many days of morning do you have after 1180 00:59:23,747 --> 00:59:24,747 Speaker 19: the loft last night? 1181 00:59:26,907 --> 00:59:31,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll few. The funny thing is, though, Mark, it's 1182 00:59:31,827 --> 00:59:34,187 Speaker 2: not funny necessarily, But you know, the curious thing is 1183 00:59:34,227 --> 00:59:36,147 Speaker 2: that I think at the start of the season, if 1184 00:59:36,187 --> 00:59:37,947 Speaker 2: you said to me, little Hurricanes are are going to 1185 00:59:37,987 --> 00:59:40,027 Speaker 2: host a semi final on a bit in your hand 1186 00:59:40,067 --> 00:59:41,947 Speaker 2: off for that, But now that they did it and 1187 00:59:42,027 --> 00:59:43,907 Speaker 2: couldn't quite take the step to the final, you feel 1188 00:59:43,907 --> 00:59:44,627 Speaker 2: a bit gutted, you know. 1189 00:59:46,147 --> 00:59:46,347 Speaker 1: Oh. 1190 00:59:46,387 --> 00:59:48,787 Speaker 19: I was at the game and I thought the young 1191 00:59:48,827 --> 00:59:51,507 Speaker 19: players are a bit overalled with the occasion. To be honest, 1192 00:59:51,587 --> 00:59:54,907 Speaker 19: I thought, yeah, Love especially had a pretty bad game 1193 00:59:54,907 --> 00:59:57,267 Speaker 19: when he's been pretty good all season. And I think, yeah, 1194 00:59:57,267 --> 00:59:59,747 Speaker 19: the pressure they did a good job and putting pressure 1195 00:59:59,747 --> 01:00:02,147 Speaker 19: on our backs all the time, and there's only so 1196 01:00:02,267 --> 01:00:03,707 Speaker 19: much JORDI could do it. 1197 01:00:04,987 --> 01:00:05,947 Speaker 10: I thought, yeah, they just. 1198 01:00:05,987 --> 01:00:08,147 Speaker 19: Now play us in the back line and they had 1199 01:00:08,187 --> 01:00:11,467 Speaker 19: their pressure cause the mistakes and yeah, and I mean 1200 01:00:11,867 --> 01:00:14,187 Speaker 19: I didn't have any excuses the Hurricanes in the end, 1201 01:00:14,227 --> 01:00:16,547 Speaker 19: they had two players, you know, two players seeds off 1202 01:00:16,627 --> 01:00:21,787 Speaker 19: on unquestionable goals. Although it didn't stop me yelling off as. 1203 01:00:22,427 --> 01:00:24,187 Speaker 2: I thought I could hear you. I thought I could 1204 01:00:24,227 --> 01:00:24,587 Speaker 2: hear you. 1205 01:00:26,227 --> 01:00:28,587 Speaker 19: Yeah, no, I mean it was it was quite a 1206 01:00:28,627 --> 01:00:31,027 Speaker 19: disappointing game. But yeah, I just think the young players 1207 01:00:31,067 --> 01:00:33,107 Speaker 19: and I mean, if you look at the experience, I 1208 01:00:33,107 --> 01:00:35,747 Speaker 19: thought d Matt kad an outstanding game. I thought he 1209 01:00:35,787 --> 01:00:37,947 Speaker 19: was just a class player on the field and he 1210 01:00:38,027 --> 01:00:40,587 Speaker 19: showed his experience in that game and I think that 1211 01:00:40,747 --> 01:00:45,187 Speaker 19: was probably the difference maker in the end. But yeah, yeah, 1212 01:00:45,227 --> 01:00:47,907 Speaker 19: it was pretty disappointing. But yeah, I guess this next year. 1213 01:00:47,947 --> 01:00:51,107 Speaker 19: And yeah, and it's for the hooker. I reckon Ricket 1214 01:00:51,147 --> 01:00:52,707 Speaker 19: telling it would be more firm. Well, I think he 1215 01:00:52,747 --> 01:00:54,707 Speaker 19: said an outstanding you. With the Blues this year, he 1216 01:00:54,707 --> 01:00:56,707 Speaker 19: has been one of their top traw scores. 1217 01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:59,627 Speaker 2: Yep, it has to be in the frame has to 1218 01:00:59,667 --> 01:01:03,027 Speaker 2: be in the frame, Mark, You're right, yeah, others. I mean, 1219 01:01:03,067 --> 01:01:05,427 Speaker 2: Kurt Ecklin's up there as well in Blues Country, of course, 1220 01:01:05,587 --> 01:01:09,107 Speaker 2: but I think Ricketel he's kind of been preferred to him. Yeah, 1221 01:01:09,147 --> 01:01:11,667 Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, when you're the starting hooker for 1222 01:01:11,707 --> 01:01:13,707 Speaker 2: the team that is going to host the Grand Final, 1223 01:01:13,907 --> 01:01:17,707 Speaker 2: then yeah, surely your names in the conversation, right, Oh. 1224 01:01:17,787 --> 01:01:18,347 Speaker 10: Absolutely. 1225 01:01:18,347 --> 01:01:20,387 Speaker 19: And I think he's grown as a player since leaving 1226 01:01:20,427 --> 01:01:23,347 Speaker 19: the Hurricanes. And I think I think, you know, looking 1227 01:01:23,387 --> 01:01:26,267 Speaker 19: at the final, there's a lot of players that are 1228 01:01:26,267 --> 01:01:28,387 Speaker 19: really performing well in the Blues this year. And I 1229 01:01:28,427 --> 01:01:31,027 Speaker 19: mean I think that game against the Bumbies, they sort 1230 01:01:31,027 --> 01:01:32,947 Speaker 19: of won the game in the first sort of twenty 1231 01:01:32,987 --> 01:01:35,587 Speaker 19: and thirty and then almost took the foot off and 1232 01:01:35,667 --> 01:01:37,867 Speaker 19: sort of whether the stormer, but that always did their 1233 01:01:37,907 --> 01:01:40,427 Speaker 19: game under control. And I think if the Blues can 1234 01:01:41,067 --> 01:01:44,187 Speaker 19: play as well as they can for say forty or 1235 01:01:44,227 --> 01:01:47,267 Speaker 19: fifty minutes of the final, I think they probably should 1236 01:01:47,307 --> 01:01:49,467 Speaker 19: be I think they will be favorite. Actually, you have 1237 01:01:49,627 --> 01:01:52,307 Speaker 19: quite considerable favorite to the TBO imagine. 1238 01:01:52,587 --> 01:01:53,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. 1239 01:01:53,467 --> 01:01:53,627 Speaker 13: Mark. 1240 01:01:53,707 --> 01:01:56,307 Speaker 2: Good to chat to you, mate, as far as Morning 1241 01:01:56,347 --> 01:01:58,347 Speaker 2: is concerned. You, I mean, yeah, I think we're allowed 1242 01:01:58,387 --> 01:02:00,267 Speaker 2: to be a bit disappointed, aren't we. I think every 1243 01:02:00,307 --> 01:02:04,707 Speaker 2: team and fans of every team you know, are allowed 1244 01:02:04,707 --> 01:02:07,187 Speaker 2: to be disappointed when their team gets not I'm sure 1245 01:02:07,227 --> 01:02:11,187 Speaker 2: Brumby's fans felt exactly the same way Saturday morning. Okay, yeah, 1246 01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:13,547 Speaker 2: I'm gutted. I wanted my team to go through, but 1247 01:02:13,587 --> 01:02:15,907 Speaker 2: I'm sure that Chiefs fans are delighted. I've already heard 1248 01:02:15,987 --> 01:02:19,107 Speaker 2: from many of them this morning. I have to say 1249 01:02:19,667 --> 01:02:20,947 Speaker 2: here's another one. Good Mark. 1250 01:02:22,027 --> 01:02:22,827 Speaker 14: Hello, Piney. 1251 01:02:22,867 --> 01:02:25,067 Speaker 20: I'm glad the game didn't go the extra time, mate, 1252 01:02:25,107 --> 01:02:26,747 Speaker 20: because your voice was sounding pretty good. 1253 01:02:27,147 --> 01:02:27,467 Speaker 13: Yeah. 1254 01:02:28,107 --> 01:02:29,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how it would have lasted. 1255 01:02:29,867 --> 01:02:33,947 Speaker 20: Make you're right now, just a couple of things, was 1256 01:02:34,027 --> 01:02:38,307 Speaker 20: my prediction sort of right? With the two players dominating 1257 01:02:38,347 --> 01:02:39,227 Speaker 20: the game last night? 1258 01:02:39,907 --> 01:02:42,147 Speaker 2: Well, I think Damian Mackenzie had a terrific game. I 1259 01:02:42,147 --> 01:02:45,067 Speaker 2: thought Jordi Barrett was good as well, but I think 1260 01:02:45,147 --> 01:02:49,467 Speaker 2: Damien Mackenzie certainly outplayed Brett Cameron in the Battle of 1261 01:02:49,467 --> 01:02:50,227 Speaker 2: the Tens. 1262 01:02:50,587 --> 01:02:53,147 Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, Now, can I quickly go back to the 1263 01:02:53,187 --> 01:02:54,267 Speaker 20: twenty twenty Piney? 1264 01:02:54,667 --> 01:02:56,347 Speaker 2: Yes, all blacks? 1265 01:02:56,507 --> 01:02:58,107 Speaker 20: Where do they originate from? 1266 01:02:58,547 --> 01:02:59,227 Speaker 14: Originally? 1267 01:03:00,027 --> 01:03:00,627 Speaker 13: High school? 1268 01:03:01,467 --> 01:03:01,787 Speaker 2: Yes? 1269 01:03:03,467 --> 01:03:06,667 Speaker 20: Do the high schools have a twenty twenty competition, because 1270 01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:08,587 Speaker 20: that's where all our talent's going to come from, isn't it. 1271 01:03:09,427 --> 01:03:12,187 Speaker 2: Well, I know more and more secondary schools are playing 1272 01:03:12,187 --> 01:03:13,907 Speaker 2: ten twenty cricket. Yes they are. 1273 01:03:14,947 --> 01:03:17,227 Speaker 20: Okay, that was just yeah, this made us crossed my 1274 01:03:17,267 --> 01:03:18,467 Speaker 20: mind when I was listening before. 1275 01:03:18,667 --> 01:03:21,067 Speaker 10: I agreed that I agree with everything you said about it. 1276 01:03:21,427 --> 01:03:23,667 Speaker 20: But that is where the talent comes from, isn't it 1277 01:03:23,667 --> 01:03:24,667 Speaker 20: from from high school? 1278 01:03:25,227 --> 01:03:27,747 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well you look at the we're certainly in rugby. 1279 01:03:28,107 --> 01:03:30,187 Speaker 2: You look at the first for den competitions around the 1280 01:03:30,227 --> 01:03:33,587 Speaker 2: country and the high quality rugby that's being played. And 1281 01:03:33,747 --> 01:03:35,907 Speaker 2: look it used to be in my day, Mark, my 1282 01:03:36,147 --> 01:03:38,827 Speaker 2: day you went from you know, high school to club, 1283 01:03:39,027 --> 01:03:41,227 Speaker 2: then to province, then to super rugby. Well, these days 1284 01:03:41,267 --> 01:03:44,067 Speaker 2: the club's almost being skipped out and in some cases 1285 01:03:44,107 --> 01:03:45,667 Speaker 2: the provinces being skipped out as well. 1286 01:03:46,307 --> 01:03:48,747 Speaker 13: Look at the boys that have come from road boys high. 1287 01:03:49,187 --> 01:03:51,947 Speaker 16: Yep, and I think there's quite a few in. 1288 01:03:52,027 --> 01:03:55,027 Speaker 2: There, absolutely, Mark, good to chat. May Yeah, Look, it's 1289 01:03:55,067 --> 01:03:57,507 Speaker 2: a it's one little bubble along And like I said 1290 01:03:57,787 --> 01:03:59,747 Speaker 2: when we chatted about it last hours, I'm just looking 1291 01:03:59,747 --> 01:04:02,387 Speaker 2: for solutions. Really, just want to be a solutions based 1292 01:04:03,587 --> 01:04:06,267 Speaker 2: conversationalist around this. How do we chart the way for 1293 01:04:07,187 --> 01:04:07,827 Speaker 2: good to chat to you? 1294 01:04:07,867 --> 01:04:08,067 Speaker 16: Mate? 1295 01:04:08,067 --> 01:04:10,067 Speaker 2: As always? Can I film. 1296 01:04:11,467 --> 01:04:14,307 Speaker 21: Oney black armbands all round today? 1297 01:04:14,347 --> 01:04:14,507 Speaker 13: Is it? 1298 01:04:15,347 --> 01:04:18,147 Speaker 2: I don't have mine on, no, but it's not far away. 1299 01:04:18,987 --> 01:04:22,507 Speaker 2: I'm wearing one a should we say metaphorically speaking, I'm 1300 01:04:22,507 --> 01:04:23,027 Speaker 2: wearing one? 1301 01:04:24,667 --> 01:04:28,107 Speaker 21: Oh well, mate? It a feel for you? You love 1302 01:04:28,147 --> 01:04:33,387 Speaker 21: your team? Can I touch on a few things I 1303 01:04:33,427 --> 01:04:36,627 Speaker 21: didn't get in earlier? And I wanted to have a 1304 01:04:36,707 --> 01:04:40,267 Speaker 21: comment about the cricket as well, and about the the 1305 01:04:40,347 --> 01:04:42,427 Speaker 21: rugby and the Warriors, So I would it feel right 1306 01:04:42,507 --> 01:04:44,267 Speaker 21: to give a quick comment on all three? 1307 01:04:44,907 --> 01:04:45,467 Speaker 2: You go for it? 1308 01:04:45,507 --> 01:04:45,707 Speaker 13: Phil? 1309 01:04:46,667 --> 01:04:47,027 Speaker 21: Okay? 1310 01:04:47,067 --> 01:04:47,747 Speaker 16: Cool? Can you hear me? 1311 01:04:47,747 --> 01:04:49,547 Speaker 21: You're right becase I've just got my phone on my knee. 1312 01:04:50,067 --> 01:04:51,747 Speaker 2: I can hear you, find mate? I can hear you? 1313 01:04:51,827 --> 01:04:52,267 Speaker 13: Fine? 1314 01:04:52,947 --> 01:04:56,587 Speaker 21: Excellent? Yeah, no, Chris kens As at the start of 1315 01:04:56,627 --> 01:04:58,547 Speaker 21: your show made me think about some things with the 1316 01:04:58,547 --> 01:05:01,307 Speaker 21: cricket that I never even considered or thought about for 1317 01:05:01,347 --> 01:05:06,107 Speaker 21: the future. And because I'm a sports lover cricket fan 1318 01:05:06,427 --> 01:05:10,227 Speaker 21: for they the works, you know. So yeah, I think 1319 01:05:10,267 --> 01:05:13,347 Speaker 21: your ideas, Your thoughts and ideas are spot on about 1320 01:05:13,347 --> 01:05:16,387 Speaker 21: having a separate tea specialized T twenty team you know, 1321 01:05:17,907 --> 01:05:21,067 Speaker 21: I think that is the way to go forward in 1322 01:05:21,107 --> 01:05:24,107 Speaker 21: the future. And I think I wanted to say too 1323 01:05:24,147 --> 01:05:27,707 Speaker 21: about I think it was LT said about I also 1324 01:05:27,827 --> 01:05:30,987 Speaker 21: have separate coaches, you know, specialized coaches rather than one 1325 01:05:31,027 --> 01:05:34,307 Speaker 21: coach coach in the whole three formats. That goes forward, 1326 01:05:34,387 --> 01:05:37,907 Speaker 21: like having a specialized T twenty team. And I think 1327 01:05:37,907 --> 01:05:40,907 Speaker 21: it was l T said about I think the black 1328 01:05:40,947 --> 01:05:45,907 Speaker 21: Cats they took Afghanistan too lightly and they didn't realize 1329 01:05:45,907 --> 01:05:48,067 Speaker 21: how good Afghanist down are, you know, and so they 1330 01:05:48,067 --> 01:05:50,227 Speaker 21: didn't give them the respect that they deserved, you know, 1331 01:05:50,307 --> 01:05:54,147 Speaker 21: and sort of and that's where they where their downfall 1332 01:05:54,227 --> 01:05:59,907 Speaker 21: might have been with that. Now that the Warriors last night, 1333 01:05:59,987 --> 01:06:02,427 Speaker 21: the Melbourne I had a few drinks last night, some 1334 01:06:02,427 --> 01:06:05,107 Speaker 21: struggling during Heber actually a lot of the game, but 1335 01:06:05,147 --> 01:06:07,947 Speaker 21: I can remember the start of it and I looked 1336 01:06:07,947 --> 01:06:09,907 Speaker 21: at the Warrior's side, you know, when they put the 1337 01:06:10,027 --> 01:06:13,027 Speaker 21: names up on the TV, and I thought, geez, we've 1338 01:06:13,027 --> 01:06:15,307 Speaker 21: got a great team, Cheese, that's a good team, you know, 1339 01:06:15,467 --> 01:06:18,907 Speaker 21: name after name, and then then the Melbourne Storm goes 1340 01:06:18,907 --> 01:06:21,427 Speaker 21: and beats them, and like you, like you said, the 1341 01:06:21,467 --> 01:06:25,227 Speaker 21: first forteen we forteen up, you know, in the first 1342 01:06:25,907 --> 01:06:29,067 Speaker 21: fifteen ten minutes, I thought it changes, but then the 1343 01:06:29,107 --> 01:06:31,787 Speaker 21: old Melbourne storm just all class came back, got a 1344 01:06:31,787 --> 01:06:34,147 Speaker 21: couple of Troyes and again one of those freakish ones 1345 01:06:34,147 --> 01:06:37,867 Speaker 21: in the corner remosistion of the earlier first round when 1346 01:06:37,867 --> 01:06:42,067 Speaker 21: they beat us, And yeah, they're just too good. The 1347 01:06:42,107 --> 01:06:44,307 Speaker 21: old Melbourne is only just too good a class a team. 1348 01:06:44,387 --> 01:06:48,267 Speaker 21: You know, whether or not the Warriors will beat them. 1349 01:06:48,267 --> 01:06:50,387 Speaker 21: I suppose at some stage they will do, because the 1350 01:06:50,387 --> 01:06:53,267 Speaker 21: Warriors can beat the best teams and then they can 1351 01:06:53,347 --> 01:06:55,507 Speaker 21: lose to the worst teams. But that sort of thing 1352 01:06:55,547 --> 01:06:55,827 Speaker 21: they do. 1353 01:06:56,587 --> 01:06:58,067 Speaker 2: If they play like if they play like they do, 1354 01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,107 Speaker 2: if they play like they did in the first fifteen 1355 01:07:00,147 --> 01:07:02,987 Speaker 2: twenty minutes for even sixty minutes, they will, I mean 1356 01:07:03,067 --> 01:07:05,987 Speaker 2: one day they'll beat them. So one day they'll beat them. Yeah, 1357 01:07:06,027 --> 01:07:09,827 Speaker 2: I just I just hope it take another fifteen games. 1358 01:07:10,227 --> 01:07:13,787 Speaker 21: Yeah, now with the with the with the you agree with. 1359 01:07:14,107 --> 01:07:17,667 Speaker 21: Now with the Chiefs in the Canes last night, you 1360 01:07:17,787 --> 01:07:22,107 Speaker 21: beloved Canes. Jeez, what a great game. And yeah McKenzie 1361 01:07:22,227 --> 01:07:26,147 Speaker 21: was outstanding. And I think where the Canes got beaten 1362 01:07:27,587 --> 01:07:31,947 Speaker 21: was with the forwards and the and the chiefs. They 1363 01:07:32,107 --> 01:07:35,347 Speaker 21: just bet them bet the canes at the breakdown, and 1364 01:07:35,387 --> 01:07:38,947 Speaker 21: that their forwards were outstanding and they made the canes. 1365 01:07:38,987 --> 01:07:42,347 Speaker 21: They rattled them, you know, and forced them into eras 1366 01:07:42,427 --> 01:07:44,947 Speaker 21: like about three forward passes when the guy was running 1367 01:07:44,947 --> 01:07:46,987 Speaker 21: down the sideline. But I think that was just brought 1368 01:07:47,027 --> 01:07:49,787 Speaker 21: about because of the pressure and rattled them and made 1369 01:07:49,827 --> 01:07:53,187 Speaker 21: them look not as good a sight as the as 1370 01:07:53,227 --> 01:07:55,427 Speaker 21: they really are. So I think that was all brought 1371 01:07:55,427 --> 01:07:59,347 Speaker 21: about for the forward pressure and the outstanding themat game. 1372 01:07:59,427 --> 01:08:01,707 Speaker 21: And that that young fellow at number eight, is it 1373 01:08:01,787 --> 01:08:06,067 Speaker 21: that he's gonna I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 1374 01:08:06,067 --> 01:08:08,267 Speaker 21: fast tricked into the All blacksil raised or have his 1375 01:08:08,307 --> 01:08:10,707 Speaker 21: eye on him, I reckon. So we just forget his name, 1376 01:08:10,747 --> 01:08:13,027 Speaker 21: but he was outstanding, you know in the Only twenty 1377 01:08:13,027 --> 01:08:13,947 Speaker 21: one or something. 1378 01:08:13,707 --> 01:08:16,747 Speaker 2: So yeah, he was good Wallace to Titi is his name, Phil, 1379 01:08:16,867 --> 01:08:19,587 Speaker 2: And you're right, he is a terrific prospect. Like I say, 1380 01:08:19,587 --> 01:08:24,587 Speaker 2: he kind of reminded me and the way he used 1381 01:08:24,587 --> 01:08:29,427 Speaker 2: to play the late uh and yeah, look just so powerful, 1382 01:08:29,627 --> 01:08:31,707 Speaker 2: so exciting to watch, a lot to learn, as Clayton 1383 01:08:31,747 --> 01:08:34,667 Speaker 2: mcmilland said, But yeah, well we'll watch with interest. Thanks 1384 01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:39,667 Speaker 2: for your call. Film always enjoyed chatting Hello, Hayden, you mate, Hey. 1385 01:08:39,507 --> 01:08:40,227 Speaker 16: Can you hear me there? 1386 01:08:40,627 --> 01:08:41,027 Speaker 2: I can? 1387 01:08:41,987 --> 01:08:46,667 Speaker 22: Hey, So he did the game last night? Okay. We 1388 01:08:46,707 --> 01:08:48,987 Speaker 22: had sort of sem rate kIPS from the wire ever 1389 01:08:49,107 --> 01:08:53,227 Speaker 22: that played jav and we Geral to support the games 1390 01:08:53,347 --> 01:08:57,947 Speaker 22: last night. It was what I was was this sort 1391 01:08:57,987 --> 01:09:01,507 Speaker 22: of a bit disappointed and there's sort of the whole 1392 01:09:01,627 --> 01:09:06,467 Speaker 22: in atmosphere edicated to last night just the terms of 1393 01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:09,027 Speaker 22: the thoughts for the team only had I don't know 1394 01:09:09,027 --> 01:09:11,027 Speaker 22: how many was there, but it was there was a 1395 01:09:11,027 --> 01:09:14,787 Speaker 22: reasonable change of the stadium that there was a fall, 1396 01:09:15,587 --> 01:09:17,787 Speaker 22: and just other things in terms of the way the 1397 01:09:17,867 --> 01:09:20,347 Speaker 22: stadium was run, you know, like there was no. 1398 01:09:21,747 --> 01:09:22,147 Speaker 10: Go on. 1399 01:09:22,187 --> 01:09:26,387 Speaker 22: The PA wasn't doing anything to encourage the crowd to 1400 01:09:28,027 --> 01:09:31,267 Speaker 22: get behind the hurricane. If you understand what it means. 1401 01:09:31,627 --> 01:09:34,627 Speaker 2: I do understand what you mean, and you know. 1402 01:09:34,707 --> 01:09:38,107 Speaker 22: Look and the other thing that was really sort of 1403 01:09:38,147 --> 01:09:42,307 Speaker 22: disappointed me was out the game was the length of 1404 01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:48,187 Speaker 22: players that were prepared to sign, that were prepared to 1405 01:09:48,187 --> 01:09:50,787 Speaker 22: hang around and sign for stuff for the kids. Like 1406 01:09:50,907 --> 01:09:53,987 Speaker 22: I didn't understand. But through the whole season they've had 1407 01:09:54,347 --> 01:09:56,507 Speaker 22: the kids going there where they you know, they've met 1408 01:09:56,507 --> 01:09:59,347 Speaker 22: the kids onto the field to have the signing and that, 1409 01:10:00,827 --> 01:10:02,347 Speaker 22: and there was none of that last night. 1410 01:10:03,107 --> 01:10:05,587 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting to Hayden, and part of 1411 01:10:05,667 --> 01:10:09,907 Speaker 2: me thought, you know what, players after a gutting loss 1412 01:10:10,027 --> 01:10:13,787 Speaker 2: like that probably just seek the sank, the sanctuary of 1413 01:10:13,827 --> 01:10:17,267 Speaker 2: the changing room. However, I know that other sports teams 1414 01:10:17,267 --> 01:10:20,547 Speaker 2: and the Hurricanes are included in this, still normally have 1415 01:10:20,667 --> 01:10:24,387 Speaker 2: signing sessions after a game, win, lose, or draw. So 1416 01:10:24,467 --> 01:10:26,667 Speaker 2: I did think that was interesting last night. I saw 1417 01:10:26,787 --> 01:10:28,947 Speaker 2: I saw a few players, I must say, from both sides, 1418 01:10:29,947 --> 01:10:33,307 Speaker 2: you know, going over and seeing seeing some fans, but 1419 01:10:33,347 --> 01:10:35,547 Speaker 2: you're right, there wasn't that big lineup that they normally 1420 01:10:35,587 --> 01:10:36,427 Speaker 2: have at the southern end. 1421 01:10:37,547 --> 01:10:40,707 Speaker 22: Yeah, and you know, we've got to share his signatures 1422 01:10:40,747 --> 01:10:44,427 Speaker 22: and stuff like that. Was lucky enough to get sufferers 1423 01:10:44,467 --> 01:10:46,987 Speaker 22: boats and the way that you know, the ones that 1424 01:10:47,427 --> 01:10:49,147 Speaker 22: make the efforts to come out, and the way they 1425 01:10:49,227 --> 01:10:52,427 Speaker 22: conducted themselves and in direct us with outstanding. 1426 01:10:53,027 --> 01:10:55,067 Speaker 2: Did you say he got one of his boots? 1427 01:10:55,707 --> 01:11:01,747 Speaker 22: Yeah, they asked them, but yeah, good, Yes, they asked 1428 01:11:01,827 --> 01:11:04,507 Speaker 22: him for his paying boats and he said, hey, mad pardon, 1429 01:11:05,227 --> 01:11:09,507 Speaker 22: it's already our obligations to give these boots to someone else. 1430 01:11:09,587 --> 01:11:12,947 Speaker 22: And and my kids are very well minted. And they said, oh, well, 1431 01:11:12,987 --> 01:11:13,827 Speaker 22: that's great, thank you. 1432 01:11:13,987 --> 01:11:15,147 Speaker 19: And then he said, hang on a. 1433 01:11:15,067 --> 01:11:16,947 Speaker 22: Minute, mate, I'll run down to the changing room. I'll 1434 01:11:16,987 --> 01:11:19,627 Speaker 22: keep us Papa for you. Make your way out of 1435 01:11:19,747 --> 01:11:21,707 Speaker 22: the time and I'll hand them to you and the 1436 01:11:21,827 --> 01:11:24,787 Speaker 22: shine them for us. And it was, you know, highlight 1437 01:11:24,867 --> 01:11:29,107 Speaker 22: of them because at the start of the rugby collection 1438 01:11:29,267 --> 01:11:31,707 Speaker 22: of memorabilia, which was which was really. 1439 01:11:31,587 --> 01:11:32,307 Speaker 10: Nice of us. 1440 01:11:32,507 --> 01:11:34,307 Speaker 2: That is brilliant. And the other thing as well, Hayden 1441 01:11:34,507 --> 01:11:37,867 Speaker 2: as I'll remember that long long after they forget the 1442 01:11:37,867 --> 01:11:39,027 Speaker 2: result of this game, right. 1443 01:11:40,827 --> 01:11:44,387 Speaker 22: And just in terms of the game, it was, you know, 1444 01:11:44,427 --> 01:11:46,787 Speaker 22: in that last ten minutes there where the Hurricanes had 1445 01:11:46,827 --> 01:11:50,467 Speaker 22: four or five turnovers there, so we were where it's 1446 01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:55,987 Speaker 22: start and then behind behind the goalposts there and we'll 1447 01:11:56,067 --> 01:12:00,027 Speaker 22: sitting there watching the game going, hang on, we've got 1448 01:12:00,067 --> 01:12:02,747 Speaker 22: five or six boards in the backline here and we're 1449 01:12:02,827 --> 01:12:08,387 Speaker 22: losing these turnovers. Boy was almost bike and a lot 1450 01:12:08,387 --> 01:12:13,027 Speaker 22: of those guys were reserved boards. And it was the 1451 01:12:13,227 --> 01:12:17,387 Speaker 22: body language was that they had already given up. And 1452 01:12:18,387 --> 01:12:21,067 Speaker 22: you know Krety was the prime example there. He was 1453 01:12:21,107 --> 01:12:25,067 Speaker 22: standing right out on the way. Creek is a great player. 1454 01:12:25,107 --> 01:12:28,267 Speaker 22: I don't trying to knock the boys at all, just 1455 01:12:28,307 --> 01:12:33,267 Speaker 22: in terms of there, you know, ten minutes, thirty two tries. 1456 01:12:34,267 --> 01:12:36,507 Speaker 22: You know they still they still had more than enough 1457 01:12:36,507 --> 01:12:40,067 Speaker 22: opportunities to win that game, and you know, I just 1458 01:12:40,067 --> 01:12:43,427 Speaker 22: didn't understand the mindset of those players at the stage. 1459 01:12:45,627 --> 01:12:48,427 Speaker 2: Thanks for your Col Hayden, awesome story about the boots, 1460 01:12:48,707 --> 01:12:50,307 Speaker 2: and thanks for your analysis of the game too. I 1461 01:12:50,307 --> 01:12:53,187 Speaker 2: already appreciate it. Nineteen away from two, when we come back. 1462 01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:55,467 Speaker 2: James mconie in his regular Sunday Slot. 1463 01:12:55,747 --> 01:13:01,387 Speaker 1: One crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason Hym and GJ. 1464 01:13:01,547 --> 01:13:04,947 Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's first trusted home builder News talks 1465 01:13:04,987 --> 01:13:05,747 Speaker 1: of baby. 1466 01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:09,067 Speaker 2: Just sixteen to two. James mcconey, as usual on a 1467 01:13:09,107 --> 01:13:13,027 Speaker 2: Sunday Super Rugby titled Town Hamilton, James. 1468 01:13:13,947 --> 01:13:16,307 Speaker 16: Oh can you can you? You can dream it? But 1469 01:13:16,547 --> 01:13:20,427 Speaker 16: it's I've already been hit once. Then in fact, last 1470 01:13:20,547 --> 01:13:25,507 Speaker 16: year it's just the memory. I would kill for Moo's boots, 1471 01:13:25,827 --> 01:13:32,307 Speaker 16: but how good amazing. But last year all I did 1472 01:13:32,427 --> 01:13:35,627 Speaker 16: is get a bit of an interesting conversation with the 1473 01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,827 Speaker 16: Barrett family who were loving it. And then Razor did 1474 01:13:38,827 --> 01:13:40,747 Speaker 16: a breakdowance in front of me and I was there. 1475 01:13:40,867 --> 01:13:41,787 Speaker 16: I struggled with that. 1476 01:13:41,867 --> 01:13:44,027 Speaker 2: I've got to say, well, there's no danger of that 1477 01:13:44,067 --> 01:13:47,387 Speaker 2: this year, and I don't really Neither Veron Cotta or 1478 01:13:47,387 --> 01:13:50,667 Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan strikes me as the is the type to 1479 01:13:50,747 --> 01:13:54,507 Speaker 2: do the worm or or a headspin or what even 1480 01:13:54,507 --> 01:13:56,747 Speaker 2: they calling it these days. I have to say that 1481 01:13:56,827 --> 01:13:58,947 Speaker 2: I was so impressed with the Chiefs yesterday. I thought 1482 01:13:58,987 --> 01:14:01,627 Speaker 2: they were They were terrific against the case. 1483 01:14:02,747 --> 01:14:05,347 Speaker 16: Yeah, I totally agree as another step up, wasn't it. 1484 01:14:05,387 --> 01:14:08,547 Speaker 16: You know, felt like they might have been peeking at 1485 01:14:08,587 --> 01:14:10,867 Speaker 16: the right time at least being able to pick a 1486 01:14:10,867 --> 01:14:13,227 Speaker 16: team that they felt was their burst of team. But 1487 01:14:13,267 --> 01:14:18,267 Speaker 16: that game was hectic, brutal, fragmented even but highly entertaining. 1488 01:14:18,707 --> 01:14:20,507 Speaker 16: And two things, let's get it out of the way. 1489 01:14:20,867 --> 01:14:24,627 Speaker 16: Wallace ATSI had a blinder and the TMO was blind. 1490 01:14:25,147 --> 01:14:28,947 Speaker 16: But we should start with Wallace because before that game 1491 01:14:28,987 --> 01:14:30,747 Speaker 16: he was a boltipo the All Blacks. Now he's going 1492 01:14:30,827 --> 01:14:33,707 Speaker 16: to be hard to leave out and probably like you, 1493 01:14:33,827 --> 01:14:36,427 Speaker 16: I was a big fan of his dad, Semott played 1494 01:14:36,827 --> 01:14:40,067 Speaker 16: mainly blindside for Wellington and the King of course the 1495 01:14:40,147 --> 01:14:42,747 Speaker 16: captain Manu Samoa. And the one thing I can tell 1496 01:14:42,747 --> 01:14:46,787 Speaker 16: you about the Satti family loved to defend the faster 1497 01:14:46,907 --> 01:14:47,507 Speaker 16: than you think. 1498 01:14:48,827 --> 01:14:52,187 Speaker 2: Well, Wallace Titi when he sprinted away to set up 1499 01:14:52,187 --> 01:14:55,587 Speaker 2: that try for Daniel Rohner, my goodness, well he just 1500 01:14:55,907 --> 01:14:58,987 Speaker 2: you might have heard me say. I mean he's like lack, 1501 01:14:59,227 --> 01:15:00,427 Speaker 2: isn't he in the way that he plays? 1502 01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:04,347 Speaker 16: Yes, yeah, exactly, He's got great feats And I mean 1503 01:15:04,547 --> 01:15:07,387 Speaker 16: it was just a vital play. The game was close 1504 01:15:07,427 --> 01:15:10,307 Speaker 16: to him, wasn't it. Was it twenty fourteen when yes, yes, 1505 01:15:10,347 --> 01:15:14,027 Speaker 16: that's so. Ye, Jordi was in the gap. I mean 1506 01:15:14,387 --> 01:15:18,147 Speaker 16: it was just all or nothing play from Wallace. But 1507 01:15:18,427 --> 01:15:21,267 Speaker 16: back to the TMO briefly, I'm not here to I mean, 1508 01:15:21,787 --> 01:15:25,547 Speaker 16: I thought Summer Pennies tackle on females tackle on TJ. 1509 01:15:25,667 --> 01:15:28,907 Speaker 16: Perrina looked like it was sort of head to shoulder 1510 01:15:28,907 --> 01:15:33,587 Speaker 16: blake contact. Maybe maybe head to head, but like it's debatable. 1511 01:15:33,987 --> 01:15:37,787 Speaker 16: But then after TJ. Pernada was defending upright and close 1512 01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:40,747 Speaker 16: heads with Titi, as you've touched on. Not to not 1513 01:15:40,787 --> 01:15:43,867 Speaker 16: even penalize that, I think shows that the whole system 1514 01:15:43,987 --> 01:15:46,267 Speaker 16: is a bit broken there. And I even reckon Luke 1515 01:15:46,347 --> 01:15:48,907 Speaker 16: Jackinson's late tackle on Jordi Barrett was a penalty only. 1516 01:15:48,987 --> 01:15:51,227 Speaker 16: But hey, you know it's easy to talk about it 1517 01:15:51,267 --> 01:15:52,387 Speaker 16: now after the Chiefs won. 1518 01:15:52,787 --> 01:15:54,587 Speaker 2: Well, the fact we are talking about it just proves 1519 01:15:54,587 --> 01:15:56,427 Speaker 2: the point. Hey, just back to the back to the 1520 01:15:56,467 --> 01:16:00,387 Speaker 2: number eight? Then are we talking about sotutu or satiti? 1521 01:16:01,387 --> 01:16:02,907 Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking? Is that what we're talking 1522 01:16:03,147 --> 01:16:05,787 Speaker 2: You should come up with a song about that. 1523 01:16:06,467 --> 01:16:08,627 Speaker 16: It's a sort of son that could get me canceled. 1524 01:16:08,227 --> 01:16:08,947 Speaker 7: In some things. 1525 01:16:08,987 --> 01:16:14,867 Speaker 16: But let's do it anyway. If you do it, tokokomo 1526 01:16:15,387 --> 01:16:19,747 Speaker 16: to tt oh, you know, like that sort of thing. 1527 01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:22,227 Speaker 16: You need to give me some time, but I'll come 1528 01:16:22,307 --> 01:16:23,347 Speaker 16: up with something for you. 1529 01:16:23,347 --> 01:16:25,587 Speaker 2: No, well, I gave you teen I gave you teen seconds. 1530 01:16:25,707 --> 01:16:27,707 Speaker 2: You've already come up with a hook magnificent. 1531 01:16:28,667 --> 01:16:28,867 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1532 01:16:29,507 --> 01:16:33,947 Speaker 16: Yeah, So I think, like, what's the game up for me? 1533 01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:37,147 Speaker 16: Was Peter lark I running the ball back so fast 1534 01:16:37,147 --> 01:16:40,107 Speaker 16: and then slipping so that his head hit with Nito 1535 01:16:40,307 --> 01:16:43,427 Speaker 16: Arkhoy in the knee and it was so out of control, 1536 01:16:43,747 --> 01:16:45,747 Speaker 16: but the referee couldn't do anything about it. It was 1537 01:16:45,907 --> 01:16:49,587 Speaker 16: just madness at that point. And so the intensity is 1538 01:16:49,587 --> 01:16:51,907 Speaker 16: what I I guess I loved about that game. A 1539 01:16:51,987 --> 01:16:55,387 Speaker 16: great advertisement for the game would. 1540 01:16:55,187 --> 01:16:58,387 Speaker 2: The Chiefs be your favorite team of all the teams 1541 01:16:58,427 --> 01:16:58,907 Speaker 2: you follow. 1542 01:17:00,147 --> 01:17:02,867 Speaker 16: Yes, Pioney, I think I sent you a little question 1543 01:17:02,947 --> 01:17:05,187 Speaker 16: saying who's your top four? Because for me, I think 1544 01:17:05,187 --> 01:17:07,427 Speaker 16: in every listener out there, if you're in your car 1545 01:17:07,507 --> 01:17:09,547 Speaker 16: or wherever you are, thinking who are the teams that 1546 01:17:10,027 --> 01:17:12,987 Speaker 16: you know? I will make sure I watch the kids 1547 01:17:13,027 --> 01:17:15,747 Speaker 16: that affects my day, and the Chiefs are right up 1548 01:17:15,787 --> 01:17:18,227 Speaker 16: there with me and for me and my top four 1549 01:17:18,467 --> 01:17:21,307 Speaker 16: with White Cuts or rugby men and women Chiefs, White 1550 01:17:21,307 --> 01:17:24,987 Speaker 16: Cuts or Auckland University rugby clubs up there in my 1551 01:17:25,067 --> 01:17:28,507 Speaker 16: top four and probably Hamilton Boys High my old school, 1552 01:17:28,627 --> 01:17:32,667 Speaker 16: mainly rugby and possibly rowing, and so at this time 1553 01:17:32,707 --> 01:17:35,027 Speaker 16: of the year it's quite hard to they're all sort 1554 01:17:35,027 --> 01:17:37,107 Speaker 16: of three of those teams that are all in action, 1555 01:17:37,707 --> 01:17:39,067 Speaker 16: so it's quite tough. 1556 01:17:39,107 --> 01:17:39,907 Speaker 10: Who's your top four? 1557 01:17:39,947 --> 01:17:41,227 Speaker 16: Painting well, I think. 1558 01:17:41,027 --> 01:17:43,627 Speaker 2: The Phoenix have become my top one, both men and women. 1559 01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:45,787 Speaker 2: I just don't ever see a time where I would 1560 01:17:45,787 --> 01:17:48,907 Speaker 2: miss a game for any good reason. From those two, 1561 01:17:49,307 --> 01:17:52,627 Speaker 2: the Hurricanes I've watched since ninety six and will until 1562 01:17:52,667 --> 01:17:55,467 Speaker 2: the end of time. I feel my football club is 1563 01:17:55,507 --> 01:17:59,707 Speaker 2: Tawa Tawa AFC, and I would never miss a game 1564 01:18:00,267 --> 01:18:03,627 Speaker 2: of the Tawer College Senior A basketball team, mainly because 1565 01:18:03,627 --> 01:18:06,027 Speaker 2: my son's and that team, so it would be you know, 1566 01:18:06,507 --> 01:18:09,547 Speaker 2: parentally irresponsible for me to miss one of their games. 1567 01:18:10,107 --> 01:18:12,947 Speaker 16: I thought you chose that because maybe you were, you know, 1568 01:18:13,067 --> 01:18:16,387 Speaker 16: nine for your impressive slam dunks in the in the 1569 01:18:16,427 --> 01:18:21,467 Speaker 16: early nineties. But hey, it's all right, matey. I actually 1570 01:18:21,467 --> 01:18:23,667 Speaker 16: think that there's you know, like I love the Wellington 1571 01:18:23,707 --> 01:18:27,427 Speaker 16: Phenix as well, and the Warriors and various teams from Tiomutu, 1572 01:18:27,867 --> 01:18:30,267 Speaker 16: but sometimes there's only so much you can do. Like 1573 01:18:30,507 --> 01:18:34,467 Speaker 16: even the black Caps are playing and the Euros have started, 1574 01:18:34,507 --> 01:18:36,547 Speaker 16: so I really need to think that black Caps were 1575 01:18:36,547 --> 01:18:37,587 Speaker 16: bowing out of the picture. 1576 01:18:38,027 --> 01:18:39,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it gives you a bit more so. I mean, 1577 01:18:39,747 --> 01:18:42,147 Speaker 2: I don't know how many people do you, reckon are 1578 01:18:42,147 --> 01:18:44,747 Speaker 2: getting up on Tuesday morning at two thirty to watch 1579 01:18:44,787 --> 01:18:47,667 Speaker 2: the black Caps play Popa New Guinea and would stick 1580 01:18:47,707 --> 01:18:50,027 Speaker 2: out the entire game from two thirty to let's say 1581 01:18:50,027 --> 01:18:51,467 Speaker 2: four thirty Tuesday morning. 1582 01:18:51,507 --> 01:18:54,787 Speaker 16: Well, I know of one, and that is my claim 1583 01:18:54,827 --> 01:18:57,267 Speaker 16: from the ACC. So he will be commentating that on 1584 01:18:57,387 --> 01:19:01,747 Speaker 16: Sky Sports fifty nine. He's also said anyone else who 1585 01:19:01,827 --> 01:19:04,067 Speaker 16: gets up and calls and can commentate with him. So 1586 01:19:04,147 --> 01:19:07,867 Speaker 16: he's desperate at the moment, And so if you care 1587 01:19:07,907 --> 01:19:10,307 Speaker 16: about that sort of thing, get up and watch the 1588 01:19:10,347 --> 01:19:11,627 Speaker 16: game of Mike Lane. 1589 01:19:12,667 --> 01:19:15,667 Speaker 2: Any thoughts on on I mean, we don't. We haven't 1590 01:19:15,667 --> 01:19:17,187 Speaker 2: got a long time to unpack it all. But I 1591 01:19:17,267 --> 01:19:18,867 Speaker 2: kind of feel like I said this on the first day. 1592 01:19:18,867 --> 01:19:20,827 Speaker 2: You probably went listening, you're probably doing something far more 1593 01:19:20,867 --> 01:19:23,067 Speaker 2: on boardant. But I think the T twenty side should 1594 01:19:23,067 --> 01:19:25,387 Speaker 2: sit off to the side of New Zealand cricket in 1595 01:19:25,467 --> 01:19:27,307 Speaker 2: terms of the central contracts. Let's just have a team 1596 01:19:27,347 --> 01:19:29,267 Speaker 2: of players so we're used to playing T twenty play 1597 01:19:29,307 --> 01:19:31,467 Speaker 2: around the world, kind of renegade, you know, nism and 1598 01:19:31,827 --> 01:19:34,147 Speaker 2: Monroe and Bolton, all of these guys, and that can 1599 01:19:34,187 --> 01:19:37,667 Speaker 2: be in New Zealand black Caps T twenty team exactly. 1600 01:19:37,707 --> 01:19:41,467 Speaker 16: I think we should have never lost Corey Anderson either. Yes, yes, 1601 01:19:41,707 --> 01:19:44,227 Speaker 16: I mean he's still a key player playing around the 1602 01:19:44,227 --> 01:19:46,267 Speaker 16: world like Trent bolt is now and like a lot 1603 01:19:46,307 --> 01:19:49,027 Speaker 16: of our players pop up in the APL, So who cares. 1604 01:19:49,107 --> 01:19:51,627 Speaker 16: Why do we have to lose our talent like that? 1605 01:19:52,067 --> 01:19:54,587 Speaker 16: And I mean, look, I think they've made some really 1606 01:19:54,987 --> 01:19:58,947 Speaker 16: dubious calls with contract priority. There's a secret list. Nobody 1607 01:19:59,147 --> 01:20:01,867 Speaker 16: knows that except for the cricketers in the New Zealand 1608 01:20:01,867 --> 01:20:04,107 Speaker 16: Cricket and I think Gary Stead and some of the 1609 01:20:04,227 --> 01:20:06,747 Speaker 16: NSI cricket people have put some of their he ripped 1610 01:20:06,787 --> 01:20:09,467 Speaker 16: high up on that list, which has forced people over 1611 01:20:09,507 --> 01:20:12,467 Speaker 16: the course of the past decade. I'm talking forced people 1612 01:20:12,547 --> 01:20:17,267 Speaker 16: like Colin Monroe, Martin Guppdell, Mitchell mclenahan. They've all been 1613 01:20:17,307 --> 01:20:19,987 Speaker 16: sent and Cory Anderson have all been sent into exile. 1614 01:20:20,427 --> 01:20:22,187 Speaker 16: And I mean it is a bit like you say, 1615 01:20:22,187 --> 01:20:27,267 Speaker 16: it should be like the seventeen separate skills, separate contracts 1616 01:20:27,467 --> 01:20:29,107 Speaker 16: and just picked the best people, and I think we 1617 01:20:29,307 --> 01:20:30,867 Speaker 16: wouldn't have this problem at all. 1618 01:20:31,707 --> 01:20:35,307 Speaker 2: And to finish, what's the latest in the Caitlan Clark 1619 01:20:35,707 --> 01:20:40,067 Speaker 2: ongoing Olympic snub drama slash landscape with her? 1620 01:20:41,027 --> 01:20:43,467 Speaker 16: Yes, Caitlyn Clark, let's talk about it before I do 1621 01:20:43,587 --> 01:20:45,467 Speaker 16: get into that. I was just going to say George Bell, 1622 01:20:45,587 --> 01:20:50,187 Speaker 16: Ricky Ricottelli or Curt Ecklund a shot out between those three. Yes, 1623 01:20:50,467 --> 01:20:52,507 Speaker 16: she lost a lot of weight through illness this year, 1624 01:20:52,507 --> 01:20:54,387 Speaker 16: so we struggled to get back to a hooker's playing weight. 1625 01:20:54,467 --> 01:20:57,467 Speaker 16: But yeah, probably George might be at the head there. 1626 01:20:57,467 --> 01:21:01,707 Speaker 16: But yes, Caitlyn Clark, she's that she was snubbed from 1627 01:21:01,747 --> 01:21:05,107 Speaker 16: the Olympics team. But some Paul Pierce, the Celtics Grape 1628 01:21:05,227 --> 01:21:07,307 Speaker 16: has come out and said, well, why don't they actually 1629 01:21:07,307 --> 01:21:09,987 Speaker 16: pick Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees who they've sort of 1630 01:21:10,267 --> 01:21:13,107 Speaker 16: had this feud with the the two young players, put 1631 01:21:13,107 --> 01:21:15,987 Speaker 16: them in the team and just make it so blockbuster 1632 01:21:16,467 --> 01:21:19,947 Speaker 16: and see if together as teammates they can in the 1633 01:21:20,067 --> 01:21:23,347 Speaker 16: feud and bring harmony to the force. And I love 1634 01:21:23,427 --> 01:21:26,427 Speaker 16: that idea. And also Serena Williams is coming out and 1635 01:21:26,427 --> 01:21:29,467 Speaker 16: supporting Clark and saying, the only reason why people criticize 1636 01:21:29,467 --> 01:21:31,587 Speaker 16: you is because they can't do what you do. So 1637 01:21:32,347 --> 01:21:34,267 Speaker 16: I mean, it doesn't matter where you look. Her name 1638 01:21:34,387 --> 01:21:39,267 Speaker 16: is mentioned all across the American media. She's a phenom 1639 01:21:39,347 --> 01:21:42,187 Speaker 16: and changing women's basketball. I think for the better. 1640 01:21:43,747 --> 01:21:48,227 Speaker 2: So ttutu Ooh, we're gonna beat you? Is that any 1641 01:21:48,227 --> 01:21:48,627 Speaker 2: good or not? 1642 01:21:48,707 --> 01:21:49,747 Speaker 10: Really? That's good? 1643 01:21:49,907 --> 01:22:00,867 Speaker 16: Yeah, pony, now we're getting somewhere. Yeah, watching you as 1644 01:22:00,947 --> 01:22:03,107 Speaker 16: such a treaty you like that. 1645 01:22:03,107 --> 01:22:03,707 Speaker 14: Kind of thing. 1646 01:22:03,787 --> 01:22:05,187 Speaker 16: But I think the beat you is better. 1647 01:22:05,387 --> 01:22:06,147 Speaker 10: I think it's good. 1648 01:22:06,547 --> 01:22:09,187 Speaker 2: Oh No, you're the wordsmith when it comes to these things. 1649 01:22:09,627 --> 01:22:13,507 Speaker 2: Wonderful to chet James. Thanks mate, James mcchy big part 1650 01:22:13,547 --> 01:22:15,147 Speaker 2: of our Sunday. It's one of my favorite times of 1651 01:22:15,147 --> 01:22:17,187 Speaker 2: the week. Seven away from two news Talks. 1652 01:22:16,947 --> 01:22:21,507 Speaker 1: Ebents analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world. 1653 01:22:21,707 --> 01:22:25,307 Speaker 1: Weekends Forward with Jason Pine Call eight hundred and eighty 1654 01:22:25,507 --> 01:22:26,787 Speaker 1: and eighty US Talks, eNB. 1655 01:22:27,587 --> 01:22:29,667 Speaker 2: Gunner on text, Pinty, Sorry for your loss on the Canes. 1656 01:22:29,707 --> 01:22:31,747 Speaker 2: I still want to see my Chiefs play full eighty 1657 01:22:31,987 --> 01:22:33,747 Speaker 2: four eighty minutes with fifteen men and see what they 1658 01:22:33,747 --> 01:22:36,187 Speaker 2: could really do. I thought to beat the Canes at 1659 01:22:36,227 --> 01:22:38,507 Speaker 2: home with fourteen men for sixty minutes was outstanding. My 1660 01:22:38,507 --> 01:22:41,227 Speaker 2: hope is for Angus Gardner to referee the final. He 1661 01:22:41,227 --> 01:22:43,547 Speaker 2: had a positive attitude to the match, great entertainment, Go 1662 01:22:43,667 --> 01:22:46,147 Speaker 2: my Chiefs, Gunner. I totally agree that Angus Gardner was 1663 01:22:46,227 --> 01:22:48,747 Speaker 2: terrific with the whistle last night, and well onto your Chiefs, 1664 01:22:48,827 --> 01:22:51,227 Speaker 2: all the best for the final. Nick Willis on the 1665 01:22:51,307 --> 01:22:54,067 Speaker 2: road to Paris after two. 1666 01:22:54,787 --> 01:22:57,707 Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on 1667 01:22:58,067 --> 01:23:01,947 Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Weekends Forward with Jason 1668 01:23:02,027 --> 01:23:06,467 Speaker 1: Vane on your Home of Sport Used Talks. 1669 01:23:07,747 --> 01:23:10,307 Speaker 2: Two o seven another hour of us, and then Tim 1670 01:23:10,307 --> 01:23:13,267 Speaker 2: Beverage and the chair for the weekend Collective Sunday edition. 1671 01:23:13,427 --> 01:23:16,147 Speaker 2: Between now and three are Conrad Smith's on the show. 1672 01:23:16,747 --> 01:23:20,507 Speaker 2: He's refereeing at the moment at community level in Taranaki, 1673 01:23:20,907 --> 01:23:24,587 Speaker 2: so talk about walking the walk. A lot of players 1674 01:23:24,587 --> 01:23:26,227 Speaker 2: in all sports say, hey, I want to give back. 1675 01:23:26,267 --> 01:23:29,027 Speaker 2: I want to give back, but you know a lot don't. 1676 01:23:29,347 --> 01:23:31,507 Speaker 2: Conrad Smith has picked up a whistle. I have a 1677 01:23:31,587 --> 01:23:33,787 Speaker 2: chat to him about that before three o'clock. We're also 1678 01:23:33,947 --> 01:23:37,307 Speaker 2: in Germany. The Euros are underway the European Football Championship 1679 01:23:37,307 --> 01:23:40,987 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four. The hosts smashing Scotland five to 1680 01:23:41,067 --> 01:23:45,707 Speaker 2: one yesterday, wins overnight for Spain and also for Italy 1681 01:23:45,827 --> 01:23:50,587 Speaker 2: and Switzerland. Sebastian Stafford Bloher is a highly regarded football 1682 01:23:50,627 --> 01:23:53,347 Speaker 2: journalist based in Germany. He's going to chat to us 1683 01:23:53,347 --> 01:23:56,787 Speaker 2: this hour and the Road to Paris continues shortly as 1684 01:23:56,827 --> 01:24:00,427 Speaker 2: we reflect on some great Olympic moments with the Paris 1685 01:24:00,507 --> 01:24:04,747 Speaker 2: Games coming into full focus less than six weeks away 1686 01:24:04,787 --> 01:24:07,307 Speaker 2: now from the Paris Olympic Games. Nick Willis is on 1687 01:24:07,347 --> 01:24:09,507 Speaker 2: the show. He went to five Olympic Games, won two 1688 01:24:09,667 --> 01:24:12,227 Speaker 2: medals in the fifteen hundred meters. One of our great 1689 01:24:12,227 --> 01:24:14,747 Speaker 2: middle distance runners, Nick willis standing mighty chat to us. 1690 01:24:14,747 --> 01:24:16,947 Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on live sport as well. Scotland 1691 01:24:16,987 --> 01:24:20,107 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty for five in their twenty overs. 1692 01:24:20,187 --> 01:24:22,627 Speaker 2: Australia wanted to chase down one hundred and eighty one 1693 01:24:22,667 --> 01:24:25,147 Speaker 2: to win that match. If Scotland win, they go through 1694 01:24:25,187 --> 01:24:28,107 Speaker 2: to the super rights and England go home. If Australia 1695 01:24:28,147 --> 01:24:31,787 Speaker 2: do reach that target, then England squeakin to the super rights. 1696 01:24:32,027 --> 01:24:33,627 Speaker 2: But as we always do it around about this time, 1697 01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:36,947 Speaker 2: which is eight past two, cue the music and there 1698 01:24:36,947 --> 01:24:39,307 Speaker 2: it is from producer Mark Kelly, your little be audience, 1699 01:24:39,387 --> 01:24:42,427 Speaker 2: in case you missed it, the well some of the 1700 01:24:42,467 --> 01:24:44,827 Speaker 2: sports you may have missed as you've gone about your 1701 01:24:44,867 --> 01:24:47,627 Speaker 2: daily life over the last eighteen to twenty four hours 1702 01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:50,867 Speaker 2: or so. Let's start at the Euros. A sensational start 1703 01:24:51,307 --> 01:24:56,787 Speaker 2: to Albania's tournament. Ope done against defending champions Italy. Federico 1704 01:24:56,907 --> 01:24:58,027 Speaker 2: did Marco went. 1705 01:24:57,867 --> 01:24:59,787 Speaker 23: To throw and it's a really terrible one is he 1706 01:24:59,867 --> 01:25:00,107 Speaker 23: did to. 1707 01:25:01,947 --> 01:25:02,267 Speaker 1: Start? 1708 01:25:04,587 --> 01:25:06,267 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it. 1709 01:25:07,107 --> 01:25:11,067 Speaker 3: Less than half a minute on the watch, A stunning start. 1710 01:25:11,587 --> 01:25:15,107 Speaker 2: How don you have arrived on this euro Yeah? The 1711 01:25:15,147 --> 01:25:17,947 Speaker 2: quickest goal in the history of the Euros, coming after 1712 01:25:18,027 --> 01:25:21,107 Speaker 2: just twenty three seconds. Italy, though did come back to 1713 01:25:21,147 --> 01:25:23,707 Speaker 2: win two one. Switzerland beat Hungary three to one, and 1714 01:25:23,787 --> 01:25:27,107 Speaker 2: Spain accounted for Croatia three nil to the Nral. The 1715 01:25:27,227 --> 01:25:31,067 Speaker 2: Tigers snapping a nine game losing streak with victory over 1716 01:25:31,107 --> 01:25:35,427 Speaker 2: the Titans. Sorris Our big dummy a kickers really cleaned 1717 01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:36,227 Speaker 2: up their. 1718 01:25:36,307 --> 01:25:43,627 Speaker 3: Tigers, cleaned up by the newer play a ricochet play scores. 1719 01:25:44,147 --> 01:25:47,627 Speaker 2: The Tigers bleed by six and went on to win 1720 01:25:47,707 --> 01:25:51,067 Speaker 2: eighteen ten. Meantime, the Roosters moved up to fifth with 1721 01:25:51,147 --> 01:25:54,067 Speaker 2: a twenty eight eighteen victory over the Eels. I love 1722 01:25:54,147 --> 01:25:55,827 Speaker 2: this left side to kick this carpet. 1723 01:25:55,907 --> 01:26:00,387 Speaker 24: Hever come here, Come here, the Cagets cutting come appropriate. 1724 01:26:00,627 --> 01:26:04,667 Speaker 24: It's Curton, but Shelley puts this game away. 1725 01:26:05,467 --> 01:26:07,347 Speaker 2: At the T twenty cree Worll Cup this morning, the 1726 01:26:07,347 --> 01:26:10,707 Speaker 2: pull match between England and Namibia shortened by rain to 1727 01:26:10,867 --> 01:26:14,427 Speaker 2: a ten over contest. England made one twenty two for 1728 01:26:14,507 --> 01:26:18,467 Speaker 2: five batting first or rounder Liam Livingston, taking no time 1729 01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:20,427 Speaker 2: at all to get his eye in when he arrived 1730 01:26:20,467 --> 01:26:22,387 Speaker 2: with four balls remaining in the innings. 1731 01:26:25,067 --> 01:26:28,227 Speaker 25: He goes lackside and starts with a sex one handed 1732 01:26:28,627 --> 01:26:35,747 Speaker 25: that sex nonetheless true. Livingston straight this time, same result. 1733 01:26:36,587 --> 01:26:38,947 Speaker 25: Wonderful hitting from Liam Levingston. 1734 01:26:38,507 --> 01:26:40,427 Speaker 2: And pair sixers off the first two balls he faced 1735 01:26:40,427 --> 01:26:42,947 Speaker 2: for Liam Livingston, England winning by forty one runs and 1736 01:26:43,027 --> 01:26:46,027 Speaker 2: the NBA Finals will go to a game five after 1737 01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:48,107 Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks finally got on the board with a 1738 01:26:48,147 --> 01:26:51,347 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two eighty four home winner of 1739 01:26:51,347 --> 01:26:54,667 Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, the third largest margin of victory in 1740 01:26:54,787 --> 01:26:58,667 Speaker 2: NBA Finals history. The Mavericks starred duo of Luka Doncic 1741 01:26:59,027 --> 01:27:01,467 Speaker 2: and Kyrie Irving to the four don't it's. 1742 01:27:01,347 --> 01:27:03,907 Speaker 24: Stripped from behind by Holiday Paul Louis servant trying to 1743 01:27:03,947 --> 01:27:06,827 Speaker 24: come up with it and does draws it inside dudgets 1744 01:27:07,227 --> 01:27:12,587 Speaker 24: and lays it up fowl Kylrie Irving's hustle New. 1745 01:27:12,587 --> 01:27:17,787 Speaker 3: Zealand and the home straight medaland. 1746 01:27:16,827 --> 01:27:18,347 Speaker 2: GEVs all. 1747 01:27:22,067 --> 01:27:25,187 Speaker 1: Weekend Sport Road to Paris twenty twenty four. 1748 01:27:27,067 --> 01:27:29,467 Speaker 2: We're now just over a month away from the twenty 1749 01:27:29,587 --> 01:27:32,667 Speaker 2: twenty four Olympics. We continue our Road to Paris feature 1750 01:27:32,747 --> 01:27:35,827 Speaker 2: catching up with some of our great Olympians. Our guest 1751 01:27:35,907 --> 01:27:39,387 Speaker 2: this afternoon, one of the finest track athletes New Zealand 1752 01:27:39,667 --> 01:27:43,547 Speaker 2: has ever produced. Nick Willis competed in the fifteen hundred 1753 01:27:43,627 --> 01:27:48,027 Speaker 2: meters at five Olympic Games, winning silver at Beijing in 1754 01:27:48,067 --> 01:27:51,667 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight and bronze at Rio in twenty sixteen. 1755 01:27:51,907 --> 01:27:56,987 Speaker 23: Centrovitz is the Olympic champion mccluefee at silver and bronze. 1756 01:27:57,147 --> 01:28:00,987 Speaker 23: Can you believe it to Nick Willis off New Zealand? Well, 1757 01:28:01,067 --> 01:28:03,267 Speaker 23: there would have been a lot of people watching in 1758 01:28:03,387 --> 01:28:07,827 Speaker 23: New Zealand. What a fine career it's been for Nick Willis. 1759 01:28:08,667 --> 01:28:13,547 Speaker 23: His third consecutive final. It wasn't quite a replica of 1760 01:28:13,667 --> 01:28:18,307 Speaker 23: the legendary exploits of Lovelock Snell and John Walker forty 1761 01:28:18,427 --> 01:28:22,627 Speaker 23: years ago, but a silver in Beijing A little fistpuff there. 1762 01:28:23,427 --> 01:28:27,507 Speaker 23: He is a masterful tactician and while all around him 1763 01:28:27,507 --> 01:28:31,347 Speaker 23: were beginning to crumble, Willis kept his composure and he 1764 01:28:31,507 --> 01:28:33,547 Speaker 23: has a second Olympic medal. 1765 01:28:33,827 --> 01:28:37,667 Speaker 2: Nick Willis takes the bronze. He also won fifteen hundred 1766 01:28:37,747 --> 01:28:40,467 Speaker 2: meters medals and all three of his Commonwealth Games gold 1767 01:28:40,507 --> 01:28:43,387 Speaker 2: at Melbourne two thousand and six, bronze at Deli twenty ten, 1768 01:28:43,467 --> 01:28:46,827 Speaker 2: Bronze again in Glasgow in twenty fourteen, and as the 1769 01:28:46,907 --> 01:28:50,347 Speaker 2: New Zealand record holder over the distance three twenty nine 1770 01:28:50,507 --> 01:28:53,947 Speaker 2: sixty six, which he ran in Monaco in twenty fifteen. 1771 01:28:54,307 --> 01:28:57,107 Speaker 2: Nick Willis is with us on Weekend Sport. Nick, when 1772 01:28:57,147 --> 01:29:01,547 Speaker 2: you think back about your many Olympic Games experiences, what 1773 01:29:01,747 --> 01:29:03,467 Speaker 2: stands out most vividly for you? 1774 01:29:04,507 --> 01:29:06,787 Speaker 26: The first thing just talking about Olympic Games, a thing 1775 01:29:06,827 --> 01:29:09,547 Speaker 26: about Snell and Walker, to be honest, and I forget 1776 01:29:09,587 --> 01:29:11,307 Speaker 26: that I was there. It feels like such a long 1777 01:29:11,387 --> 01:29:14,187 Speaker 26: time ago, even it was just most recently. But yeah, 1778 01:29:14,187 --> 01:29:16,827 Speaker 26: I think probably most of all, it's just all of 1779 01:29:16,867 --> 01:29:20,147 Speaker 26: the New Zealand team doing a haka when I got 1780 01:29:20,227 --> 01:29:22,347 Speaker 26: into the village or coming back from a meta all 1781 01:29:22,387 --> 01:29:25,307 Speaker 26: of that sort of team New Zealand experience around the village. 1782 01:29:25,387 --> 01:29:28,067 Speaker 26: We really crushed that sort of set up there. We 1783 01:29:28,147 --> 01:29:31,387 Speaker 26: definitely had the best sort of space in the village 1784 01:29:31,427 --> 01:29:33,547 Speaker 26: that the New Zealand team had set up. So just 1785 01:29:33,627 --> 01:29:36,267 Speaker 26: the real sense of coming home. And when I'm based 1786 01:29:36,267 --> 01:29:37,507 Speaker 26: overseas all the time, you know. 1787 01:29:38,947 --> 01:29:42,147 Speaker 2: How much camaraderie is there amongst a New Zealand team 1788 01:29:42,307 --> 01:29:44,507 Speaker 2: at an Olympic Games. Do you get the opportunity to 1789 01:29:44,587 --> 01:29:47,027 Speaker 2: mix much with the others or are you really kind 1790 01:29:47,067 --> 01:29:49,307 Speaker 2: of focused on your own on your own event. 1791 01:29:50,587 --> 01:29:56,027 Speaker 26: No, absolutely, especially amongst the different sports. They really did 1792 01:29:56,027 --> 01:29:58,187 Speaker 26: a good job of setting up down in the lobby 1793 01:29:58,307 --> 01:30:00,467 Speaker 26: and a sort of a viewing area for everyone to 1794 01:30:00,507 --> 01:30:03,347 Speaker 26: get together and chair on the different sports. And athletics 1795 01:30:03,427 --> 01:30:05,307 Speaker 26: is in the second half of the game, so the 1796 01:30:05,347 --> 01:30:07,547 Speaker 26: first week you get to watch swimming and other sports 1797 01:30:07,627 --> 01:30:07,907 Speaker 26: going on. 1798 01:30:09,547 --> 01:30:09,747 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1799 01:30:09,907 --> 01:30:12,307 Speaker 26: No, and always get a chance to go hang out 1800 01:30:12,427 --> 01:30:15,867 Speaker 26: with some other sports people to go to other events 1801 01:30:15,907 --> 01:30:18,947 Speaker 26: as well. That was always fun. Probably my most vivid 1802 01:30:19,027 --> 01:30:21,667 Speaker 26: memory of that was Kirk Penny taking me under his 1803 01:30:21,747 --> 01:30:24,307 Speaker 26: wing at the Athens Olympics when I was sort of 1804 01:30:24,787 --> 01:30:28,147 Speaker 26: a young spark, sort of intimidated by the whole endeavor, 1805 01:30:28,227 --> 01:30:30,107 Speaker 26: and he sort of saw that in me as some 1806 01:30:30,307 --> 01:30:32,667 Speaker 26: nerves as we were sort of getting around the village 1807 01:30:32,707 --> 01:30:34,787 Speaker 26: and he sort of mentored me through that experience and 1808 01:30:34,827 --> 01:30:35,787 Speaker 26: we've stayed met since. 1809 01:30:36,067 --> 01:30:39,667 Speaker 2: Amazing stuff. Can ask about two thousand and eight silver medalist, 1810 01:30:40,227 --> 01:30:43,467 Speaker 2: You came across the line third, there was a disqualification 1811 01:30:44,147 --> 01:30:47,067 Speaker 2: which saw you upgraded to silver. Did that at all 1812 01:30:47,147 --> 01:30:48,907 Speaker 2: take the gloss off it that you didn't get the 1813 01:30:48,947 --> 01:30:50,547 Speaker 2: silver on the podium? 1814 01:30:52,347 --> 01:30:55,547 Speaker 26: No, I was really very fortunate in many regards because 1815 01:30:55,547 --> 01:30:58,147 Speaker 26: of that, I'm the only person to ever get to 1816 01:30:58,347 --> 01:31:02,307 Speaker 26: have a medal presented on their home track when they 1817 01:31:02,387 --> 01:31:04,787 Speaker 26: didn't win the gold medal and get the hair the 1818 01:31:04,907 --> 01:31:09,147 Speaker 26: national anthem on their homes at Newtown Park. They put 1819 01:31:09,227 --> 01:31:12,027 Speaker 26: on a special ceremony for the occasion, and so I 1820 01:31:12,107 --> 01:31:15,107 Speaker 26: got to have the experience in Beijing, and bronze was 1821 01:31:15,107 --> 01:31:16,827 Speaker 26: as good as silver in my eyes at the time, 1822 01:31:16,907 --> 01:31:19,707 Speaker 26: and then I got to go through that whole moment again, 1823 01:31:19,827 --> 01:31:23,147 Speaker 26: even sort of more emotionally on my home track in Wellington. 1824 01:31:23,227 --> 01:31:26,107 Speaker 26: So yeah, I sort of got double the dose. But hey, 1825 01:31:26,267 --> 01:31:28,627 Speaker 26: I deserved it. When cheats beat you, you get to 1826 01:31:29,067 --> 01:31:30,747 Speaker 26: be rewarded in those moments as well. 1827 01:31:31,027 --> 01:31:31,467 Speaker 10: I love that. 1828 01:31:31,667 --> 01:31:34,627 Speaker 2: I love that London twenty twelve, you were the flag bearer. 1829 01:31:35,107 --> 01:31:37,587 Speaker 2: How do I tell you about these things any Is 1830 01:31:37,627 --> 01:31:40,467 Speaker 2: there any sort of ceremony around the revealing of this 1831 01:31:40,627 --> 01:31:42,267 Speaker 2: news that you'll be carrying the flag or is it 1832 01:31:42,347 --> 01:31:44,587 Speaker 2: just a sort of an off end conversation asking if 1833 01:31:44,627 --> 01:31:45,507 Speaker 2: you'd like to do the job. 1834 01:31:47,587 --> 01:31:50,947 Speaker 26: I believe I was in my tackety at an athletics 1835 01:31:51,027 --> 01:31:54,587 Speaker 26: meeting there, so that would have been February of twenty 1836 01:31:54,707 --> 01:31:57,387 Speaker 26: twelve and I got a phone call from the chef 1837 01:31:57,547 --> 01:31:59,347 Speaker 26: the mission at the time and he said, hey, Nick, 1838 01:31:59,387 --> 01:32:01,667 Speaker 26: I just wanted to see if you'd be willing and 1839 01:32:01,747 --> 01:32:05,067 Speaker 26: able to be the flag bearer for the event. I 1840 01:32:05,147 --> 01:32:08,667 Speaker 26: think they m Valerieville had already turned it down, perhaps 1841 01:32:08,787 --> 01:32:10,707 Speaker 26: my head Drysdale. So I was just like the third 1842 01:32:10,787 --> 01:32:13,347 Speaker 26: pick because everyone else is worried about the curse of 1843 01:32:13,427 --> 01:32:17,467 Speaker 26: being the flag bearer, which turned out to be true, right, 1844 01:32:17,587 --> 01:32:21,667 Speaker 26: like I ended up having my worst games. No, that's coincidental, 1845 01:32:21,787 --> 01:32:22,347 Speaker 26: but yeah. 1846 01:32:24,227 --> 01:32:26,307 Speaker 2: That must have been a proud moment though. I mean, 1847 01:32:26,387 --> 01:32:28,627 Speaker 2: could you know eight year old Nick Willis ever have 1848 01:32:29,187 --> 01:32:31,267 Speaker 2: imagined carrying the flag out in front of a New 1849 01:32:31,307 --> 01:32:32,787 Speaker 2: Zealand team at Olympic Games. 1850 01:32:34,107 --> 01:32:36,547 Speaker 26: Never in my wildest dreams. I was always felt so 1851 01:32:36,627 --> 01:32:39,547 Speaker 26: intimidated and all of these sorts of moments. I was 1852 01:32:39,667 --> 01:32:41,947 Speaker 26: never a sports captain or anything at my school. I 1853 01:32:41,947 --> 01:32:43,707 Speaker 26: don't think I was ever a captain for any of 1854 01:32:43,787 --> 01:32:46,707 Speaker 26: my sports teams, let alone being the flag bearer for 1855 01:32:46,747 --> 01:32:48,547 Speaker 26: the country. So it was a huge, huge honor. 1856 01:32:49,267 --> 01:32:52,467 Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, I want to ask you about that 1857 01:32:53,267 --> 01:32:55,907 Speaker 2: and the bronze you won there. How do you reflect 1858 01:32:55,987 --> 01:32:57,267 Speaker 2: on twenty sixteen. 1859 01:33:00,027 --> 01:33:02,667 Speaker 26: I think mostly I was just really really proud of 1860 01:33:02,787 --> 01:33:06,267 Speaker 26: like not giving it up really after twenty twelve hours, 1861 01:33:06,387 --> 01:33:09,907 Speaker 26: pretty devastated to get sort of blown away in the 1862 01:33:09,987 --> 01:33:12,587 Speaker 26: last lap of the final and wondering if the old 1863 01:33:12,667 --> 01:33:15,707 Speaker 26: legs still had it in them, and I sort of 1864 01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:20,507 Speaker 26: worked with my coaches and my support network to try 1865 01:33:20,507 --> 01:33:22,147 Speaker 26: and figure out, is there a way to really just 1866 01:33:22,227 --> 01:33:24,387 Speaker 26: focus on how to be the best version of myself 1867 01:33:24,467 --> 01:33:27,787 Speaker 26: and not get too distracted by all the other phenomenal 1868 01:33:27,867 --> 01:33:30,987 Speaker 26: athletes in the world. And I think that's when I 1869 01:33:31,027 --> 01:33:32,627 Speaker 26: had the best head on my shoulders. I may not 1870 01:33:32,747 --> 01:33:36,067 Speaker 26: have had quite the best body anymore, but just the 1871 01:33:36,467 --> 01:33:40,627 Speaker 26: preparations that went into those games sort of we avoided 1872 01:33:40,667 --> 01:33:45,627 Speaker 26: all of the different pitfalls and obstacles along the way 1873 01:33:45,707 --> 01:33:48,667 Speaker 26: that might have helped me back in other years, and 1874 01:33:48,907 --> 01:33:52,267 Speaker 26: it just was the perfect preparations. And then on race day, 1875 01:33:53,507 --> 01:33:55,267 Speaker 26: I was just it was just through a privilege to 1876 01:33:55,347 --> 01:33:57,627 Speaker 26: be there at thirty three, thirty four years old against 1877 01:33:57,627 --> 01:34:00,147 Speaker 26: all of these young bucks, and when it went out 1878 01:34:00,227 --> 01:34:02,707 Speaker 26: being a super slow race. I've always enjoyed those sort 1879 01:34:02,747 --> 01:34:04,387 Speaker 26: of moments so I don't have to feel the pain 1880 01:34:04,507 --> 01:34:07,307 Speaker 26: and suffering of a race, so I got to enjoy 1881 01:34:07,347 --> 01:34:09,027 Speaker 26: those first two laps and then it was game on, 1882 01:34:09,187 --> 01:34:12,227 Speaker 26: and fortunately the gaps opened up and I was able 1883 01:34:12,267 --> 01:34:13,187 Speaker 26: to capitalize on them. 1884 01:34:13,787 --> 01:34:16,547 Speaker 2: Did you ever consider a move to the five thousand 1885 01:34:16,587 --> 01:34:19,267 Speaker 2: meters or was the fifteen hundred always the one that 1886 01:34:19,307 --> 01:34:21,507 Speaker 2: you were keen to continue competing in. 1887 01:34:23,267 --> 01:34:26,507 Speaker 26: I always had the allure and the idea of giving 1888 01:34:26,547 --> 01:34:29,587 Speaker 26: it a go, but each time I tried, it didn't 1889 01:34:29,627 --> 01:34:32,307 Speaker 26: seem to have the same success that I had envisioned 1890 01:34:32,347 --> 01:34:35,147 Speaker 26: I hoped. And one of my last serious races as 1891 01:34:35,227 --> 01:34:38,547 Speaker 26: an international runner was at the Rohm Diamond League and 1892 01:34:39,147 --> 01:34:41,067 Speaker 26: I think I was last by two hundred meters in 1893 01:34:41,107 --> 01:34:43,787 Speaker 26: the five thousand meter race there. So that was pretty 1894 01:34:43,867 --> 01:34:45,987 Speaker 26: raiding on the wall that it was never meant to be. 1895 01:34:47,187 --> 01:34:50,947 Speaker 2: Can you take us inside the I don't know, half 1896 01:34:50,987 --> 01:34:54,787 Speaker 2: an hour fifteen minutes before an Olympic final? What's that 1897 01:34:55,147 --> 01:34:59,267 Speaker 2: like and how much sort of how much impact does 1898 01:34:59,347 --> 01:35:01,107 Speaker 2: what you do in the last fifteen minutes before the 1899 01:35:01,147 --> 01:35:03,547 Speaker 2: gun goes actually have on the way that you race? 1900 01:35:06,427 --> 01:35:09,987 Speaker 26: Yeah, it can be a really intense moment. I think 1901 01:35:10,147 --> 01:35:13,147 Speaker 26: the whole five days in the Olympic village, around your heat, 1902 01:35:13,187 --> 01:35:15,267 Speaker 26: your semi on your final. It's a long period of 1903 01:35:15,307 --> 01:35:18,987 Speaker 26: time to be really focused on that one soul goal 1904 01:35:19,107 --> 01:35:22,147 Speaker 26: and endeavor, and so for me personally, it's like, finally 1905 01:35:22,187 --> 01:35:23,747 Speaker 26: I get a chance to sort of come out of 1906 01:35:23,827 --> 01:35:26,707 Speaker 26: that cocoon, so to speak, where you're really just trying 1907 01:35:26,787 --> 01:35:29,627 Speaker 26: to suppress all your emotions and excitement and trying to 1908 01:35:30,147 --> 01:35:33,067 Speaker 26: have them all be ready to be put into that 1909 01:35:33,307 --> 01:35:36,227 Speaker 26: one focused effort in the final. So I just get 1910 01:35:36,267 --> 01:35:38,267 Speaker 26: really excited in the last thirty minutes. I think I've 1911 01:35:38,267 --> 01:35:40,947 Speaker 26: been really nervous in the sort of four hours to 1912 01:35:42,027 --> 01:35:44,107 Speaker 26: an hour and a half before the race, But once 1913 01:35:44,147 --> 01:35:46,187 Speaker 26: I start my warm up and get into the motions, 1914 01:35:46,227 --> 01:35:49,347 Speaker 26: that's when I've always enjoyed that sort of this is 1915 01:35:49,387 --> 01:35:50,907 Speaker 26: what I signed up for, you know, this is what 1916 01:35:51,027 --> 01:35:52,827 Speaker 26: you dream as a child. I always wanted to be 1917 01:35:52,987 --> 01:35:57,947 Speaker 26: the guy that kicked the winning penalty kick Athletic Park 1918 01:35:58,067 --> 01:36:00,027 Speaker 26: from the twenty two, you know, and so this is 1919 01:36:00,067 --> 01:36:02,947 Speaker 26: my moment to do that and the slightly less skilled 1920 01:36:03,227 --> 01:36:05,627 Speaker 26: arena of running. But you know, I always enjoyed that 1921 01:36:05,747 --> 01:36:08,787 Speaker 26: the bigger moments that sort of brought the best out 1922 01:36:08,827 --> 01:36:08,987 Speaker 26: of me. 1923 01:36:09,587 --> 01:36:11,747 Speaker 2: And did you enjoy being part of a legacy? You 1924 01:36:11,827 --> 01:36:14,507 Speaker 2: mentioned some of the great names of middle distance running 1925 01:36:14,507 --> 01:36:19,347 Speaker 2: in New Zealand before Hellberg, Snell, Lovelock, Walker. Obviously you're 1926 01:36:19,427 --> 01:36:23,707 Speaker 2: in that conversation now too for the present day cohort. 1927 01:36:24,227 --> 01:36:27,827 Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the opportunity to add to that middle 1928 01:36:27,867 --> 01:36:28,667 Speaker 2: distance legacy. 1929 01:36:30,467 --> 01:36:30,987 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 1930 01:36:31,347 --> 01:36:31,667 Speaker 19: I was. 1931 01:36:33,507 --> 01:36:36,427 Speaker 26: A fan first before I was an athlete at that level, 1932 01:36:36,507 --> 01:36:40,427 Speaker 26: and I just soaked up everything to do with all 1933 01:36:40,507 --> 01:36:42,387 Speaker 26: of the history of so along the side of that, 1934 01:36:42,507 --> 01:36:45,187 Speaker 26: and that's pretty well documented. One of the most special 1935 01:36:45,267 --> 01:36:49,947 Speaker 26: moments for me was about a month before, maybe three 1936 01:36:49,987 --> 01:36:52,707 Speaker 26: weeks before the Rio Games, when they announced the final 1937 01:36:52,747 --> 01:36:56,547 Speaker 26: selections and my training partners from New Zealand, Julian Matthews 1938 01:36:56,587 --> 01:36:59,947 Speaker 26: and Hamish Carson, got announced to the team and I 1939 01:37:00,187 --> 01:37:01,907 Speaker 26: had got wind of that a day early, so I 1940 01:37:02,027 --> 01:37:04,947 Speaker 26: reached out to Snell and Dick Quacks, the lead to 1941 01:37:04,987 --> 01:37:05,787 Speaker 26: it Quacks and. 1942 01:37:07,867 --> 01:37:08,467 Speaker 5: Rod Dixon. 1943 01:37:08,507 --> 01:37:10,307 Speaker 26: I asked if they'd be willing to sort of be 1944 01:37:10,427 --> 01:37:13,027 Speaker 26: available on a group call as a surprise to welcome 1945 01:37:13,067 --> 01:37:16,827 Speaker 26: those two young New Zealand milers into the running fraternity, 1946 01:37:16,907 --> 01:37:19,587 Speaker 26: the great New Zealand Olympians, and so that was really 1947 01:37:19,627 --> 01:37:21,307 Speaker 26: cool to get the six of us together on a 1948 01:37:21,387 --> 01:37:24,187 Speaker 26: call for about an hour and really just sort of 1949 01:37:24,347 --> 01:37:27,067 Speaker 26: like soaken to that moment. 1950 01:37:27,187 --> 01:37:28,867 Speaker 5: So yeah, that's amazing. 1951 01:37:29,147 --> 01:37:32,667 Speaker 2: And Sam Tanner will wear that black singlet in Paris 1952 01:37:33,147 --> 01:37:34,827 Speaker 2: in a few weeks time. How do you assess his 1953 01:37:34,947 --> 01:37:36,427 Speaker 2: ability to do well in Paris? 1954 01:37:38,107 --> 01:37:41,307 Speaker 26: Sam's doing great. He hasn't had too many opportunities of late, 1955 01:37:41,347 --> 01:37:43,467 Speaker 26: but we've got so many other New Zealanders doing well 1956 01:37:43,547 --> 01:37:47,467 Speaker 26: right now as well. With Jordy Beamish he won the 1957 01:37:47,507 --> 01:37:50,467 Speaker 26: World Indoor Championships in the fifteen hundred meters. There's something 1958 01:37:50,507 --> 01:37:53,627 Speaker 26: I was never able to do and now James Press 1959 01:37:53,707 --> 01:37:55,827 Speaker 26: him from Wellington he just broke and his record in 1960 01:37:55,867 --> 01:37:57,707 Speaker 26: the eight hundred meters and on a women's side with 1961 01:37:57,787 --> 01:38:01,427 Speaker 26: Maya Ramsden winning the NCAA titled two back to bat 1962 01:38:01,507 --> 01:38:04,387 Speaker 26: years and a woman's fifteen hundred meters. So yeah, it's 1963 01:38:04,427 --> 01:38:06,787 Speaker 26: just really exciting to be a fan of or distance 1964 01:38:06,867 --> 01:38:08,307 Speaker 26: running for New Zealand at the moment. 1965 01:38:08,467 --> 01:38:11,027 Speaker 2: You've still got that record, mate, three twenty nine sixty six. 1966 01:38:11,107 --> 01:38:12,867 Speaker 2: You reckon Sam will break that at some stage, or 1967 01:38:12,907 --> 01:38:13,547 Speaker 2: somebody will. 1968 01:38:14,827 --> 01:38:17,187 Speaker 26: I'm sure it won't be too long. But these are 1969 01:38:17,347 --> 01:38:19,827 Speaker 26: a great crop of kids, so I'll be cheering them 1970 01:38:19,867 --> 01:38:20,867 Speaker 26: on as well, and. 1971 01:38:20,987 --> 01:38:24,147 Speaker 2: Just to finish an Olympic year. Do you you still 1972 01:38:24,227 --> 01:38:28,347 Speaker 2: take a keen interest in in the Olympic Games? Nick Will? 1973 01:38:28,387 --> 01:38:30,467 Speaker 2: You be taking in some of the action from Paris. 1974 01:38:32,427 --> 01:38:34,387 Speaker 26: My family and I will be in Paris for two 1975 01:38:34,427 --> 01:38:36,947 Speaker 26: weeks before the games, but we won't be there jurying 1976 01:38:37,027 --> 01:38:38,867 Speaker 26: the games, but we'll be watching on TV. I think 1977 01:38:38,947 --> 01:38:42,427 Speaker 26: that's that's you get a better view sometimes from Tally, 1978 01:38:42,507 --> 01:38:45,307 Speaker 26: to be honest, So yeah, it'll be it'll be a 1979 01:38:45,347 --> 01:38:47,827 Speaker 26: bit different, but I honestly haven't thought about it too 1980 01:38:47,867 --> 01:38:50,627 Speaker 26: much more. There's luck going on in my other area 1981 01:38:50,667 --> 01:38:52,707 Speaker 26: of life moment, but it should be fun. 1982 01:38:53,067 --> 01:38:54,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can hear the other areas of a life 1983 01:38:54,867 --> 01:38:57,507 Speaker 2: clamoring for your retention in the background, Nick, appreciate you 1984 01:38:57,907 --> 01:38:59,227 Speaker 2: taking the time for a chat in a bit of 1985 01:38:59,267 --> 01:39:01,987 Speaker 2: a wander down memory lane. Congrats on everything you achieved 1986 01:39:02,027 --> 01:39:04,147 Speaker 2: and let's hope there's more to come in a black single. 1987 01:39:04,147 --> 01:39:05,387 Speaker 2: It for the latest cohort. 1988 01:39:05,427 --> 01:39:08,747 Speaker 26: Thanks for your time, mate, Thanks so much, so look 1989 01:39:08,827 --> 01:39:12,147 Speaker 26: forward to catching up when I homeless winter for American 1990 01:39:12,227 --> 01:39:13,627 Speaker 26: Winter selby there for Christmas. 1991 01:39:13,907 --> 01:39:16,067 Speaker 2: Look forward to that, mate. Thanks indeed, that is Nick 1992 01:39:16,227 --> 01:39:19,387 Speaker 2: willis there the latest guest on our road to Paris 1993 01:39:19,627 --> 01:39:22,347 Speaker 2: Every Sunday, just after the two o'clock news, we chat 1994 01:39:22,347 --> 01:39:25,147 Speaker 2: to one of our great Olympians, and Nick Willis five 1995 01:39:25,347 --> 01:39:28,267 Speaker 2: Olympic games and two medals in the fifteen hundred meters 1996 01:39:28,307 --> 01:39:31,827 Speaker 2: certainly falls into that category. Another guest just after the 1997 01:39:31,867 --> 01:39:35,227 Speaker 2: two o'clock news. Next Sunday two twenty three, Australia have 1998 01:39:35,307 --> 01:39:37,707 Speaker 2: lost an early wicket in their chase for one eighty 1999 01:39:37,747 --> 01:39:40,067 Speaker 2: one to beat Scotland at the T twenty Cricket World Cup. 2000 01:39:40,067 --> 01:39:42,387 Speaker 2: They're three for one and the second over. When we 2001 01:39:42,467 --> 01:39:45,787 Speaker 2: come back where in Germany the Euros are on, they're underway. 2002 01:39:45,827 --> 01:39:47,387 Speaker 2: We've hit the first couple of days in the first 2003 01:39:47,467 --> 01:39:51,347 Speaker 2: four matches. Sebastian Stafford Blower is a well regarded football 2004 01:39:51,427 --> 01:39:54,307 Speaker 2: journalist based in Germany. He is going to have a 2005 01:39:54,347 --> 01:39:56,507 Speaker 2: chat to us about the championship right after this. 2006 01:39:57,987 --> 01:40:00,907 Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred 2007 01:40:00,907 --> 01:40:05,707 Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Garvnerholmes, 2008 01:40:05,867 --> 01:40:08,587 Speaker 1: New Zealand. This was Trusted home Builder News Talks. It'd 2009 01:40:08,587 --> 01:40:11,027 Speaker 1: be two twenty six on News Talks. 2010 01:40:11,067 --> 01:40:14,027 Speaker 2: Here'll be the twenty twenty four European Football Championship underway 2011 01:40:14,067 --> 01:40:17,507 Speaker 2: in Germany, twenty four teams chasing glory over the next 2012 01:40:17,507 --> 01:40:20,547 Speaker 2: month or so. Results on the first two days Germany five, 2013 01:40:20,667 --> 01:40:23,307 Speaker 2: Scotland won. That was on opening night, and then three 2014 01:40:23,387 --> 01:40:27,067 Speaker 2: games overnight Switzerland three, Hungary won, Spain beat in Croatia 2015 01:40:27,147 --> 01:40:31,427 Speaker 2: three nil and Italy two Albania one. A great pleasure 2016 01:40:31,467 --> 01:40:34,067 Speaker 2: to welcome back to the New Zealand, Aer waves. Sebastian 2017 01:40:34,147 --> 01:40:38,107 Speaker 2: Stafford Bloer, German based football writer for The Athletic and 2018 01:40:38,267 --> 01:40:41,027 Speaker 2: Fatifo Football, said great to get the chance to chat 2019 01:40:41,067 --> 01:40:42,987 Speaker 2: to you. What is the mood first of all in 2020 01:40:43,147 --> 01:40:46,827 Speaker 2: Germany at the start of this month long feast of football. 2021 01:40:47,787 --> 01:40:49,827 Speaker 27: It's a great question, Jason, because initially there was a 2022 01:40:49,867 --> 01:40:52,467 Speaker 27: bit of trepidation. I think Jeremany have had some pretty 2023 01:40:52,547 --> 01:40:55,187 Speaker 27: party form over the last couple of years. They've had 2024 01:40:55,227 --> 01:40:57,827 Speaker 27: some terrible times in the tournaments, back to back eliminations 2025 01:40:57,867 --> 01:41:00,427 Speaker 27: at the group stage in twenty eighteen World Cup twenty 2026 01:41:00,507 --> 01:41:04,307 Speaker 27: twenty two World Cup. I think the moods since the 2027 01:41:04,387 --> 01:41:07,307 Speaker 27: five one win over Scotland has been in I wouldn't 2028 01:41:07,307 --> 01:41:09,587 Speaker 27: say you forig but it's been a big uplift. I 2029 01:41:09,707 --> 01:41:12,947 Speaker 27: think that should set the mood coming towards the end 2030 01:41:12,987 --> 01:41:15,347 Speaker 27: of the first day, which has been okay, have to say, 2031 01:41:15,467 --> 01:41:18,947 Speaker 27: though marred by organizational difficulties and trouble getting around the country. 2032 01:41:19,027 --> 01:41:20,587 Speaker 27: So that's a little bit of a kink, which I 2033 01:41:20,587 --> 01:41:23,107 Speaker 27: hope you will sort yourself out. But I think fundamentally 2034 01:41:23,747 --> 01:41:26,107 Speaker 27: that the old idea of a tournament which happens in 2035 01:41:26,147 --> 01:41:30,267 Speaker 27: one country, where everybody engages with the culture, and it's 2036 01:41:30,307 --> 01:41:32,227 Speaker 27: not one of those kind of plan European affairs we've 2037 01:41:32,267 --> 01:41:34,547 Speaker 27: got used to, and not one way you share it 2038 01:41:34,627 --> 01:41:36,347 Speaker 27: with another country, which is kind of the future because 2039 01:41:36,347 --> 01:41:38,867 Speaker 27: the tournament's getting so big for people that are going 2040 01:41:38,907 --> 01:41:41,107 Speaker 27: to buy into that as a thing, right like this 2041 01:41:41,227 --> 01:41:43,827 Speaker 27: is one of the last chances to really have fun 2042 01:41:43,907 --> 01:41:45,987 Speaker 27: in a traditional style European championship. 2043 01:41:46,307 --> 01:41:49,627 Speaker 2: What did you make of Germany's first up five to one. 2044 01:41:50,067 --> 01:41:52,307 Speaker 2: Let's call it what it is, a demolition of Scotland. 2045 01:41:52,867 --> 01:41:56,947 Speaker 27: Deeply impressive, deeply deeply impressive. I think two sides to 2046 01:41:56,987 --> 01:41:59,347 Speaker 27: that coin. Jason, Scotland were not good at all. I 2047 01:41:59,427 --> 01:42:02,307 Speaker 27: thought there were some really obvious flaws in their game plan, 2048 01:42:02,667 --> 01:42:07,787 Speaker 27: the unwillingness to close down tiny Cross. I find it 2049 01:42:07,907 --> 01:42:10,187 Speaker 27: really hard to understand then you know, you need a 2050 01:42:10,227 --> 01:42:13,547 Speaker 27: smart tactical mind than me to explain that one. But 2051 01:42:13,907 --> 01:42:17,027 Speaker 27: having said that, I thought the cohesion, particularly an attack, 2052 01:42:17,627 --> 01:42:21,427 Speaker 27: particularly amongst Jamal Maasiarlo Florin Vitz and Kai Haveitz, was 2053 01:42:21,467 --> 01:42:25,187 Speaker 27: so so impressive, and the chemistry was was was really 2054 01:42:25,227 --> 01:42:28,147 Speaker 27: reassuring actually because obviously Hughlett Maagusman has had maybe nine 2055 01:42:28,187 --> 01:42:30,267 Speaker 27: months to put this team together and so they've seen 2056 01:42:30,307 --> 01:42:33,267 Speaker 27: a little bit of an incomplete work and a team 2057 01:42:33,347 --> 01:42:35,587 Speaker 27: in a rebuilding phase. So to see it will work 2058 01:42:35,707 --> 01:42:39,387 Speaker 27: that well was was really encouraging. And yeah, I'm almost 2059 01:42:39,387 --> 01:42:41,267 Speaker 27: going to say it's eighty thousand people in Allens Arena 2060 01:42:41,387 --> 01:42:43,107 Speaker 27: or Football Stadium Munich as we are to call it 2061 01:42:43,187 --> 01:42:45,507 Speaker 27: during the tournament for you know, to keep team on 2062 01:42:45,547 --> 01:42:45,907 Speaker 27: the right. 2063 01:42:45,867 --> 01:42:47,387 Speaker 5: Side of the UF for rules. Pretty catchy. 2064 01:42:48,987 --> 01:42:50,867 Speaker 27: Yeah, it was a wonderful occasion and the team just 2065 01:42:50,907 --> 01:42:52,547 Speaker 27: seemed better. It seemed to get better and better, and 2066 01:42:52,587 --> 01:42:55,027 Speaker 27: once once they scored their first couple of goals, and 2067 01:42:55,067 --> 01:42:56,907 Speaker 27: obviously the red cards chained things. While they've scored the 2068 01:42:56,947 --> 01:42:58,827 Speaker 27: first couple of goals, you saw the players relax a 2069 01:42:58,867 --> 01:43:00,827 Speaker 27: little bit and some of the trepidation drop out of 2070 01:43:00,867 --> 01:43:04,627 Speaker 27: the game. And yeah, he really really strong statement in 2071 01:43:04,707 --> 01:43:05,587 Speaker 27: their first game performed. 2072 01:43:06,027 --> 01:43:08,627 Speaker 2: I know expectations up high for Scotland and they're not 2073 01:43:08,707 --> 01:43:11,707 Speaker 2: a European footballing powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, 2074 01:43:11,827 --> 01:43:13,307 Speaker 2: but did you expect a bit more from them? 2075 01:43:14,907 --> 01:43:16,627 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think I did. 2076 01:43:16,707 --> 01:43:20,507 Speaker 27: I think they have improved dramatically under Steve Clark, and 2077 01:43:20,787 --> 01:43:22,507 Speaker 27: I'm a big fan of what he's done with the 2078 01:43:22,547 --> 01:43:25,867 Speaker 27: Scottish national team. I'm not quite sure what it was, whether, 2079 01:43:26,387 --> 01:43:28,627 Speaker 27: I mean Clark said in this press conference afterwards, which 2080 01:43:28,667 --> 01:43:31,147 Speaker 27: by the way, Jason, he was pretty terse. I mean's 2081 01:43:31,147 --> 01:43:33,907 Speaker 27: one of those where, I mean he didn't try very 2082 01:43:33,947 --> 01:43:36,427 Speaker 27: hard to hide his disappointment, and you know, you had 2083 01:43:36,507 --> 01:43:38,387 Speaker 27: journey Is kind of shifting in their seats and a 2084 01:43:38,387 --> 01:43:40,907 Speaker 27: little bit uncomfortable with how I sort of want to 2085 01:43:40,947 --> 01:43:43,187 Speaker 27: slabit the responses were. But it just seemed as if 2086 01:43:43,387 --> 01:43:46,867 Speaker 27: in his mind his players hadn't quite done what he wanted, 2087 01:43:47,027 --> 01:43:49,987 Speaker 27: or he didn't feel like the game plan was executed properly, 2088 01:43:50,107 --> 01:43:52,227 Speaker 27: or you know, he was Santa at times, what like 2089 01:43:52,307 --> 01:43:56,307 Speaker 27: he was demoiging himself. But yeah, I certainly expected it 2090 01:43:56,387 --> 01:44:00,747 Speaker 27: to be a bit feistier through the first thirty minutes 2091 01:44:01,067 --> 01:44:02,827 Speaker 27: and actually if you look back at the first goal, 2092 01:44:02,907 --> 01:44:05,987 Speaker 27: the florin vert Schal, that's the kind of basic error 2093 01:44:06,027 --> 01:44:07,707 Speaker 27: that if or if you're a team in Scotland's position, 2094 01:44:08,307 --> 01:44:10,467 Speaker 27: you cannot you cannot do that. You cannot allow a 2095 01:44:10,547 --> 01:44:12,987 Speaker 27: player of that quality that much space, because I mean, 2096 01:44:13,067 --> 01:44:14,987 Speaker 27: he's the reigning German player of the year, who is 2097 01:44:15,107 --> 01:44:16,907 Speaker 27: the player in that attack that you would have been told, 2098 01:44:17,027 --> 01:44:19,707 Speaker 27: under no circumstances to leave free in ten yards of 2099 01:44:19,747 --> 01:44:22,507 Speaker 27: space and the edge of the box. So yeah, deeply 2100 01:44:22,547 --> 01:44:25,507 Speaker 27: disappointing it was. It was never really a contest at 2101 01:44:25,547 --> 01:44:26,547 Speaker 27: any point during that game. 2102 01:44:27,107 --> 01:44:29,747 Speaker 2: Spain they're underweiy as well, an impress of when first 2103 01:44:29,827 --> 01:44:32,227 Speaker 2: up against Croatia and I've probably dacent football, so I'd 2104 01:44:32,227 --> 01:44:34,987 Speaker 2: heard he was Spain's chances of going deep into the tournament. 2105 01:44:35,947 --> 01:44:37,707 Speaker 27: Yeah, well, funny one because they're almost a dark horse, 2106 01:44:37,707 --> 01:44:39,587 Speaker 27: which is a really strange thing to say about Spain, 2107 01:44:39,707 --> 01:44:42,387 Speaker 27: because obviously they are a power in European football, but 2108 01:44:42,907 --> 01:44:46,427 Speaker 27: I think because because Spanish football as a whole has 2109 01:44:46,507 --> 01:44:49,587 Speaker 27: had little bit of a decline, like domestically clear, we're 2110 01:44:49,587 --> 01:44:52,147 Speaker 27: talking about Proma tripping European champions again, So it's not 2111 01:44:52,307 --> 01:44:56,267 Speaker 27: that bad right, but I think some of their players 2112 01:44:56,347 --> 01:44:58,147 Speaker 27: have gone under the radar and I was I was 2113 01:44:58,187 --> 01:45:00,547 Speaker 27: holding some friends during it on what's happened. 2114 01:45:00,547 --> 01:45:02,667 Speaker 5: They were saying, oh, you know, Alvarra Moratu is still there, 2115 01:45:02,787 --> 01:45:03,307 Speaker 5: and you. 2116 01:45:03,307 --> 01:45:06,227 Speaker 27: Know who's La Mignel, and you know, like, I think 2117 01:45:06,347 --> 01:45:08,907 Speaker 27: this is going to be one of those where people 2118 01:45:09,027 --> 01:45:10,947 Speaker 27: kind of learn how good they are as the tournament 2119 01:45:11,027 --> 01:45:14,627 Speaker 27: goes on. But they were awfully impressive against Croatia. I mean, 2120 01:45:14,707 --> 01:45:17,147 Speaker 27: that's we talked about Germany making a statement that's a 2121 01:45:17,307 --> 01:45:20,907 Speaker 27: very good creation team and a side where which traditionally 2122 01:45:21,267 --> 01:45:23,027 Speaker 27: Spain have had quite a few problems with it in 2123 01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:25,227 Speaker 27: the past, and they'd absolutely dispatched them. 2124 01:45:25,467 --> 01:45:28,267 Speaker 5: It was excellent. And again I feel like Spain. 2125 01:45:28,107 --> 01:45:30,867 Speaker 27: Of one of those teams where historically, if you look 2126 01:45:31,027 --> 01:45:34,507 Speaker 27: back at what's happened to them, like early in the tournament, 2127 01:45:34,587 --> 01:45:36,827 Speaker 27: with probably the exception of twenty ten when they lost 2128 01:45:36,867 --> 01:45:38,627 Speaker 27: to Switzerland and went on to win the tournament, it 2129 01:45:38,667 --> 01:45:41,227 Speaker 27: feels like one of those sides where, particularly when you're 2130 01:45:41,227 --> 01:45:42,787 Speaker 27: carrying a lot of young players. 2131 01:45:42,547 --> 01:45:44,867 Speaker 5: You need a good mood to be set. And yeah, 2132 01:45:44,867 --> 01:45:46,747 Speaker 5: I was hugely impressed, hugely. 2133 01:45:46,507 --> 01:45:49,787 Speaker 2: Impressed England see it, but England. Let's talk England. They 2134 01:45:49,827 --> 01:45:53,187 Speaker 2: opened their campaign against Serbia tomorrow morning breakfast time here 2135 01:45:53,227 --> 01:45:57,027 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. What is your analysis of England's chances 2136 01:45:57,067 --> 01:45:57,707 Speaker 2: at this tournament. 2137 01:45:58,867 --> 01:46:00,947 Speaker 27: They're going to have to defend well, Like I think 2138 01:46:00,987 --> 01:46:04,547 Speaker 27: if you look at kind of if you aggregate England's 2139 01:46:04,547 --> 01:46:06,667 Speaker 27: attacking talent, you could probably make an argument to say 2140 01:46:06,747 --> 01:46:10,107 Speaker 27: they are They're probably among the strongest teams at the tournament. 2141 01:46:11,347 --> 01:46:14,587 Speaker 27: Issues in central defense. In my mind, I don't think 2142 01:46:14,667 --> 01:46:17,147 Speaker 27: England have that kind of solidity. I don't think they 2143 01:46:17,227 --> 01:46:20,827 Speaker 27: have a kind of permanent combination there anymore, and haven't 2144 01:46:20,867 --> 01:46:24,587 Speaker 27: had for quite some time. I also think that psychologically, 2145 01:46:24,867 --> 01:46:27,227 Speaker 27: a lot of the players coming into this tournament, and 2146 01:46:27,387 --> 01:46:30,267 Speaker 27: obviously the coach Kris Southgate, been a situation where they've 2147 01:46:30,307 --> 01:46:32,427 Speaker 27: had the talent to win competitions for quite a few 2148 01:46:32,507 --> 01:46:34,587 Speaker 27: years now. They probably could have gone further what they 2149 01:46:34,627 --> 01:46:36,227 Speaker 27: should have gone further. They did in the World Cup, 2150 01:46:36,547 --> 01:46:39,947 Speaker 27: could have probably won that U twenty to twenty slash 2151 01:46:40,027 --> 01:46:43,867 Speaker 27: twenty one. Finally against Italy, had enough chances to do it, 2152 01:46:44,187 --> 01:46:46,227 Speaker 27: didn't get over the line, and so I think you're 2153 01:46:46,227 --> 01:46:49,267 Speaker 27: dealing with the kind of psychological issue. Can they win it. Yes, 2154 01:46:49,467 --> 01:46:52,107 Speaker 27: will they It's almost like I don't trust them to 2155 01:46:52,227 --> 01:46:57,707 Speaker 27: do it. And there comes a point in tournaments with 2156 01:46:57,747 --> 01:47:00,707 Speaker 27: England where you get the sense sometimes that the players 2157 01:47:00,747 --> 01:47:03,107 Speaker 27: don't really believe that, either not in the way that 2158 01:47:03,147 --> 01:47:06,067 Speaker 27: you see in France or we've just talked about Spain. 2159 01:47:06,467 --> 01:47:08,947 Speaker 27: Like it's not about talent always. You have to have 2160 01:47:08,987 --> 01:47:11,587 Speaker 27: a certain amount of prerequisite yes, but you also have 2161 01:47:11,827 --> 01:47:13,827 Speaker 27: to Hey, i'm talking to you to someone from news 2162 01:47:13,867 --> 01:47:16,227 Speaker 27: in it like it's the all about mentality, right, At 2163 01:47:16,267 --> 01:47:18,267 Speaker 27: some point you need to have the conviction to go 2164 01:47:18,307 --> 01:47:21,027 Speaker 27: and win the thing. And I still don't know where. 2165 01:47:21,467 --> 01:47:23,467 Speaker 27: No one canswer this for sure. No one knows whether 2166 01:47:23,507 --> 01:47:25,827 Speaker 27: England have that. No one knows whether the Southcake can 2167 01:47:26,387 --> 01:47:29,587 Speaker 27: navigate the tricky sort of ten twenty minute periods that 2168 01:47:29,707 --> 01:47:32,587 Speaker 27: occur right at the end of knockout rounds that decide 2169 01:47:32,667 --> 01:47:36,307 Speaker 27: whether you advance or not. And he's still to convince 2170 01:47:36,387 --> 01:47:36,867 Speaker 27: people with that. 2171 01:47:37,187 --> 01:47:40,387 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such interesting Anellis's such an interesting month. They 2172 01:47:40,427 --> 01:47:44,147 Speaker 2: head just before we leave England. Jude Bellingham is the 2173 01:47:44,587 --> 01:47:47,027 Speaker 2: next big thing. He's only twenty, for goodness sake, plays 2174 01:47:47,067 --> 01:47:49,987 Speaker 2: for Real Madrid. But Eddie Das have built an entire 2175 01:47:50,747 --> 01:47:54,187 Speaker 2: advertising campaign around him with Hey Jude in the background. 2176 01:47:54,227 --> 01:47:57,987 Speaker 2: It's quite astonishing. Where is Jude Bellingham in your mind 2177 01:47:58,227 --> 01:48:00,307 Speaker 2: in the pantheon of modern day footballers? 2178 01:48:01,467 --> 01:48:03,907 Speaker 27: An absolute rock star of a footballer. He's one of 2179 01:48:03,947 --> 01:48:06,587 Speaker 27: my favorite players in the world because of, you know, 2180 01:48:06,747 --> 01:48:08,667 Speaker 27: his set of abilities. I love the way that Jue 2181 01:48:08,667 --> 01:48:13,667 Speaker 27: Belling holds himself on the pitch off it. He's very 2182 01:48:13,707 --> 01:48:15,787 Speaker 27: well raised, he's very well brought up as a person, 2183 01:48:15,947 --> 01:48:20,547 Speaker 27: which is great, but also like he's this really rare 2184 01:48:20,667 --> 01:48:24,107 Speaker 27: combination of humility in the right moments but ego in 2185 01:48:24,187 --> 01:48:28,467 Speaker 27: the right moments, and he's fun. Like I think, listen 2186 01:48:28,507 --> 01:48:33,147 Speaker 27: to sport sports entertainment place, doesn't it like you know, 2187 01:48:33,227 --> 01:48:36,227 Speaker 27: we all know this and you need people that kind 2188 01:48:36,267 --> 01:48:39,107 Speaker 27: of provide the entertainment. Yes, you need the players that win, 2189 01:48:39,187 --> 01:48:41,187 Speaker 27: and you need you need achievement, and you need players 2190 01:48:41,227 --> 01:48:44,027 Speaker 27: that collect medals. You also have people that, even if 2191 01:48:44,067 --> 01:48:46,467 Speaker 27: you had you know, even if you're watching games of 2192 01:48:46,507 --> 01:48:48,187 Speaker 27: neutral you think, I want to watch that game because 2193 01:48:48,187 --> 01:48:49,587 Speaker 27: I want to watch this player play. 2194 01:48:50,187 --> 01:48:51,667 Speaker 5: And Bellingham is one of those. 2195 01:48:51,867 --> 01:48:54,627 Speaker 27: I had the privilege of watching him when he was 2196 01:48:54,627 --> 01:48:58,147 Speaker 27: growing up at Brittie Dortmund and it's rare that you 2197 01:48:58,187 --> 01:48:59,747 Speaker 27: get to say this, but from the first moment he 2198 01:48:59,787 --> 01:49:01,667 Speaker 27: stepped on a pitch, even as a very young boy 2199 01:49:01,747 --> 01:49:05,147 Speaker 27: who had no experience of senior football, let alone German 2200 01:49:05,187 --> 01:49:07,787 Speaker 27: football in a foreign country, didn't speak the language, and 2201 01:49:07,867 --> 01:49:11,067 Speaker 27: he got there. It just it just takes it all 2202 01:49:11,187 --> 01:49:13,787 Speaker 27: in its stride and it's so so impressive and it's 2203 01:49:13,827 --> 01:49:16,867 Speaker 27: so rare. And I think also because we've grown used 2204 01:49:16,907 --> 01:49:20,347 Speaker 27: to just celebrating young athletes very early in their career, 2205 01:49:20,467 --> 01:49:23,347 Speaker 27: and you know, you know, we kind of insulate them 2206 01:49:23,347 --> 01:49:25,147 Speaker 27: when we forget kind of how difficult it is to 2207 01:49:25,307 --> 01:49:27,827 Speaker 27: be that person and to to deal with the things 2208 01:49:27,867 --> 01:49:30,707 Speaker 27: that come with playing for British Dorman, playing for Real Madrid, 2209 01:49:30,867 --> 01:49:34,867 Speaker 27: being an England player in this generation them deals with 2210 01:49:34,947 --> 01:49:36,827 Speaker 27: it so well that you can't help it admire and 2211 01:49:38,747 --> 01:49:44,267 Speaker 27: he's great, and I you know, I hope that I 2212 01:49:44,347 --> 01:49:47,547 Speaker 27: hope sort of the from a collective standpoint like this 2213 01:49:47,747 --> 01:49:49,827 Speaker 27: is I think if it's the mold of a group 2214 01:49:49,867 --> 01:49:52,867 Speaker 27: of pretty likable English players. I'm allowed to say this 2215 01:49:52,947 --> 01:49:55,147 Speaker 27: because I was born in England, but we haven't always 2216 01:49:55,147 --> 01:49:58,027 Speaker 27: been great a likability in the past. Some of the 2217 01:49:58,147 --> 01:49:59,947 Speaker 27: national teams we'll put out I think this is a 2218 01:50:00,027 --> 01:50:02,667 Speaker 27: generally good group of people, good group of human beings, 2219 01:50:03,107 --> 01:50:05,787 Speaker 27: and he's top of the list of those, and you 2220 01:50:05,867 --> 01:50:07,147 Speaker 27: know it'd be a a lovely thing for him to 2221 01:50:07,187 --> 01:50:07,987 Speaker 27: win something with England. 2222 01:50:08,067 --> 01:50:09,987 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see how how he plays 2223 01:50:10,027 --> 01:50:13,107 Speaker 2: in England. Shood at the Euros and on France said, 2224 01:50:13,387 --> 01:50:15,947 Speaker 2: let's not forget you know, last World Cup they were 2225 01:50:16,187 --> 01:50:19,867 Speaker 2: beaten in the final by Argentina in an absolute classic. 2226 01:50:20,547 --> 01:50:22,747 Speaker 2: They play Austria in their opening match on Monday night. 2227 01:50:22,827 --> 01:50:25,307 Speaker 2: How similar is the French side to that which played 2228 01:50:25,307 --> 01:50:26,147 Speaker 2: in the World Cup final? 2229 01:50:27,547 --> 01:50:31,907 Speaker 27: Very similar, very similar, very dangerous, like all the kind 2230 01:50:31,907 --> 01:50:35,867 Speaker 27: of basically they return all of their strongest parts and 2231 01:50:35,987 --> 01:50:40,147 Speaker 27: it's a it's a little bit you know, it's a 2232 01:50:40,187 --> 01:50:42,307 Speaker 27: little bit contraller and to look beyond killing and bappe. 2233 01:50:43,667 --> 01:50:47,267 Speaker 27: But I think the question with France, Jason is always 2234 01:50:47,347 --> 01:50:50,547 Speaker 27: not is not necessarily personal. It's that and we always 2235 01:50:50,547 --> 01:50:52,227 Speaker 27: seem to have the same conversation around France. It's like 2236 01:50:52,347 --> 01:50:54,227 Speaker 27: you you look at the kind of the ability they're 2237 01:50:54,227 --> 01:50:56,227 Speaker 27: able to put on the pitch. If I did have 2238 01:50:56,267 --> 01:50:58,627 Speaker 27: a question, it'd be around central defense and whether William 2239 01:50:58,667 --> 01:51:01,787 Speaker 27: Saliba starts, because I to me, he was the best 2240 01:51:01,867 --> 01:51:04,827 Speaker 27: central defender in the Premier League this season. I think 2241 01:51:04,867 --> 01:51:09,347 Speaker 27: he deserves to start. Some suggest that he won't, so 2242 01:51:09,507 --> 01:51:11,387 Speaker 27: that's a kind of a wait and see. We'll see 2243 01:51:11,427 --> 01:51:13,387 Speaker 27: what we are on Monday with that. But I guess 2244 01:51:13,427 --> 01:51:17,187 Speaker 27: it's always about chemistry and that strange gene that French 2245 01:51:17,427 --> 01:51:21,147 Speaker 27: national football teams have had in the past, which creates 2246 01:51:21,147 --> 01:51:24,667 Speaker 27: sort of inexplicable moments in tournaments like you they I mean, 2247 01:51:24,707 --> 01:51:25,907 Speaker 27: if you think back to it, I don't know, two 2248 01:51:25,947 --> 01:51:27,907 Speaker 27: thousand and two, when they came into the World Cup 2249 01:51:28,227 --> 01:51:32,627 Speaker 27: as defending champions and then left without scoring a goal. 2250 01:51:33,547 --> 01:51:37,667 Speaker 5: It's like France just have that capability somehow. 2251 01:51:37,747 --> 01:51:39,507 Speaker 27: There's always an issue, there's always a lot of a 2252 01:51:39,547 --> 01:51:42,507 Speaker 27: stumbling block, so that's something that has to be navigated. 2253 01:51:42,587 --> 01:51:45,187 Speaker 27: But I think if you're going to win this tournament, 2254 01:51:45,787 --> 01:51:47,707 Speaker 27: I think you're going to have to beat France at 2255 01:51:47,747 --> 01:51:50,907 Speaker 27: some point. I think that's that's a pretty good starting 2256 01:51:50,947 --> 01:51:53,147 Speaker 27: point and an assumption to make. Whether you're Germany, whether 2257 01:51:53,147 --> 01:51:55,907 Speaker 27: you're England, whether you're I think Portugal are a little 2258 01:51:55,947 --> 01:51:59,187 Speaker 27: bit of an overlook side. I think they're really talented. 2259 01:52:00,387 --> 01:52:04,267 Speaker 27: Holland are dangerous. There's some interesting things that could happen 2260 01:52:04,307 --> 01:52:06,947 Speaker 27: within that team. But I don't think you can win 2261 01:52:06,987 --> 01:52:09,427 Speaker 27: it without having beaten this France and without having captain 2262 01:52:09,427 --> 01:52:12,667 Speaker 27: Bapequa for ninety slash one hundred and twenty minutes. 2263 01:52:13,067 --> 01:52:16,827 Speaker 2: All right, Well to circle back to finish, SIB. If 2264 01:52:16,867 --> 01:52:18,667 Speaker 2: we're talking, you know, five or six weeks from now, 2265 01:52:18,707 --> 01:52:20,587 Speaker 2: and the tournament's all over and it's done and dusted, 2266 01:52:20,947 --> 01:52:23,347 Speaker 2: what sort of things will to have happened on the 2267 01:52:23,387 --> 01:52:25,187 Speaker 2: field and off the field for this tournament to be 2268 01:52:25,307 --> 01:52:26,987 Speaker 2: regarded as a success. 2269 01:52:29,067 --> 01:52:34,507 Speaker 5: What a great question. I suppose a couple of things. 2270 01:52:34,587 --> 01:52:34,907 Speaker 10: I think. 2271 01:52:35,547 --> 01:52:37,867 Speaker 27: I think it's important that the host team go far 2272 01:52:37,947 --> 01:52:41,227 Speaker 27: in it. I not because I live in Germany and 2273 01:52:41,347 --> 01:52:43,747 Speaker 27: not because of you know, I'm covering the national team, 2274 01:52:43,787 --> 01:52:46,627 Speaker 27: but because I think when a home team is successful, 2275 01:52:46,787 --> 01:52:48,947 Speaker 27: I think that dictates the mood that surrounds the tournament 2276 01:52:49,027 --> 01:52:51,507 Speaker 27: and the nature of the interactions between people who live 2277 01:52:51,547 --> 01:52:53,267 Speaker 27: in the country and people who are visiting the country. 2278 01:52:53,467 --> 01:52:56,947 Speaker 27: I think that's a culturally essential and an essential ingredient. 2279 01:52:58,147 --> 01:53:00,387 Speaker 27: I think also that you know, we're going to have 2280 01:53:00,507 --> 01:53:04,107 Speaker 27: to find a nice balance between fans enjoying themselves and 2281 01:53:04,427 --> 01:53:07,347 Speaker 27: the authorities allowing them to enjoy them. I think that 2282 01:53:07,507 --> 01:53:08,827 Speaker 27: has to be There has to be a bit of 2283 01:53:08,867 --> 01:53:12,827 Speaker 27: give and take in that relationship. I think also some 2284 01:53:12,987 --> 01:53:15,987 Speaker 27: of the some of the organizational bugbears have to be 2285 01:53:16,067 --> 01:53:18,107 Speaker 27: hind out. So we talked about the trains earlier, and 2286 01:53:18,227 --> 01:53:21,587 Speaker 27: some of the transporting issues being a couple of conversations 2287 01:53:21,627 --> 01:53:25,787 Speaker 27: already about overcrowded fan parks and a few miscommunications about 2288 01:53:26,107 --> 01:53:28,347 Speaker 27: when they're full and what happens when they're full. Then 2289 01:53:28,387 --> 01:53:30,507 Speaker 27: we need to get on top of those, because you've 2290 01:53:30,507 --> 01:53:32,307 Speaker 27: got to make sure you've got to give people the opportunity, 2291 01:53:32,907 --> 01:53:34,987 Speaker 27: especially when they come from abroad, and especially when they 2292 01:53:35,027 --> 01:53:37,387 Speaker 27: spend a lot of money to get here and to 2293 01:53:37,867 --> 01:53:39,467 Speaker 27: stay here for a long periods of time, because it's 2294 01:53:39,467 --> 01:53:42,387 Speaker 27: not cheap to you know, to do a tournament obviously 2295 01:53:42,427 --> 01:53:45,387 Speaker 27: as a fan. And these all these little things like 2296 01:53:45,547 --> 01:53:47,627 Speaker 27: in isolation, perhaps they don't matter, but I think they 2297 01:53:47,707 --> 01:53:51,467 Speaker 27: all have to be got right for everybody to to 2298 01:53:51,627 --> 01:53:54,307 Speaker 27: really buy into the experience. And Joernany has put this 2299 01:53:54,387 --> 01:53:58,467 Speaker 27: country and the food is great, and I don't think 2300 01:53:58,467 --> 01:54:00,347 Speaker 27: anybody needs telling about the alcohol and the beer and 2301 01:54:00,387 --> 01:54:01,987 Speaker 27: all that kind of stuff. But as a as a 2302 01:54:02,027 --> 01:54:03,907 Speaker 27: country to visit and as a place I sound like 2303 01:54:03,947 --> 01:54:07,067 Speaker 27: I work for the tourist board, Jason, but as a 2304 01:54:07,107 --> 01:54:09,347 Speaker 27: place where you can have a lot of different experiences, 2305 01:54:09,387 --> 01:54:11,307 Speaker 27: see a lot of different things within the same country. 2306 01:54:11,907 --> 01:54:13,587 Speaker 27: It offers an awful lot and it's a great place 2307 01:54:13,667 --> 01:54:16,387 Speaker 27: to have a tournament and so hopefully everybody gets the 2308 01:54:16,467 --> 01:54:17,267 Speaker 27: chance to experience that. 2309 01:54:17,507 --> 01:54:20,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, mouthwatering month of football ahead, Seb. It's always great 2310 01:54:20,267 --> 01:54:22,547 Speaker 2: to catch up and get your expertise in your analysis. 2311 01:54:22,787 --> 01:54:24,747 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us across New Zealand today. 2312 01:54:25,387 --> 01:54:28,947 Speaker 2: Thanks having me on, Jason, Thankseb. Seb Stafford Blower, German 2313 01:54:28,947 --> 01:54:31,547 Speaker 2: based football writer for The Athletic and Tifo Football, with 2314 01:54:31,667 --> 01:54:35,787 Speaker 2: his as always incisive analysis of the European Football Championship 2315 01:54:35,947 --> 01:54:40,467 Speaker 2: Day three tomorrow, including England v Serbia seven o'clock tomorrow morning, 2316 01:54:40,507 --> 01:54:44,947 Speaker 2: New Zealand time, nineteen away from three. Australia in a 2317 01:54:45,067 --> 01:54:48,587 Speaker 2: touch of bother here against Scotland thirty five for two. 2318 01:54:48,707 --> 01:54:52,067 Speaker 2: They are chasing one hundred and eighty one to beat 2319 01:54:52,107 --> 01:54:54,467 Speaker 2: the Scotts. Now this won't matter as far as Australia 2320 01:54:54,467 --> 01:54:56,947 Speaker 2: are concerned. They're already through to the Super Eights. But 2321 01:54:57,027 --> 01:54:59,227 Speaker 2: if Scotland would have win this game, they would go 2322 01:54:59,307 --> 01:55:02,107 Speaker 2: through and England would miss out. It's one worth keeping 2323 01:55:02,107 --> 01:55:04,587 Speaker 2: an eye on when we come back. Conrad Smith, former 2324 01:55:04,667 --> 01:55:08,987 Speaker 2: All Black, now commun Unity rugby referee. He's with us 2325 01:55:09,027 --> 01:55:09,307 Speaker 2: after this. 2326 01:55:10,307 --> 01:55:12,147 Speaker 7: It's more than just a game. 2327 01:55:12,467 --> 01:55:16,587 Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Kine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New 2328 01:55:16,667 --> 01:55:19,227 Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder, News talks. 2329 01:55:19,147 --> 01:55:21,907 Speaker 2: Be coming up to forty five. You often hear about 2330 01:55:21,987 --> 01:55:25,147 Speaker 2: elite athletes wanting to give back to their sport. It's 2331 01:55:25,267 --> 01:55:28,547 Speaker 2: very easy to talk the talk not always matched by 2332 01:55:29,267 --> 01:55:33,147 Speaker 2: walking the walk, but one man is doing it outspeed. 2333 01:55:32,867 --> 01:55:34,987 Speaker 5: Away for Collins against Smith. 2334 01:55:35,787 --> 01:55:45,267 Speaker 28: Smith starts Wax the ninety four Test double World Cup 2335 01:55:45,307 --> 01:55:45,907 Speaker 28: winning All Black. 2336 01:55:46,027 --> 01:55:50,307 Speaker 2: Conrad Smith has taken up refereeing. He's controlled a combination 2337 01:55:50,427 --> 01:55:54,707 Speaker 2: of schoolboy and women's rugby in Taranucky's competitions this season, 2338 01:55:54,747 --> 01:55:56,787 Speaker 2: and Conrad Smith is with us. Great to have you 2339 01:55:56,907 --> 01:55:59,587 Speaker 2: join us, Conrad, and congrats for picking up a whistle. 2340 01:56:00,107 --> 01:56:01,147 Speaker 2: How did this all come about? 2341 01:56:03,347 --> 01:56:05,707 Speaker 14: I think, Jason, Yeah, to be honest, it was it 2342 01:56:05,787 --> 01:56:11,067 Speaker 14: was a bit of curiosity. I was I'm still working, 2343 01:56:11,147 --> 01:56:14,507 Speaker 14: you know, with the game with the international rugby players. 2344 01:56:15,507 --> 01:56:18,747 Speaker 14: So we deal with will Rugby on player related issues, 2345 01:56:18,787 --> 01:56:20,627 Speaker 14: and so a lot of that is around the rules 2346 01:56:20,667 --> 01:56:24,187 Speaker 14: of the game regulations. So I talked with referees a lot, 2347 01:56:24,307 --> 01:56:26,827 Speaker 14: talk with Ben o'keeith and a lot of the referees 2348 01:56:26,907 --> 01:56:30,347 Speaker 14: up in the Northern Hemisphere. And then obviously when you 2349 01:56:30,467 --> 01:56:33,747 Speaker 14: talk about the laws that often you end up talking 2350 01:56:33,747 --> 01:56:36,707 Speaker 14: about policing. You know, how how the laws actually work 2351 01:56:36,787 --> 01:56:39,067 Speaker 14: in practice, and how hard it is, easier it is 2352 01:56:39,147 --> 01:56:41,947 Speaker 14: to referee. So that's sort of how it started a 2353 01:56:41,987 --> 01:56:44,627 Speaker 14: couple of years ago, and then I thought, oh, I'd 2354 01:56:44,667 --> 01:56:46,947 Speaker 14: give it a go, and this year it's sort of 2355 01:56:47,267 --> 01:56:50,107 Speaker 14: eventuated and done a few games. I'm not I'm not reliable. 2356 01:56:50,147 --> 01:56:53,307 Speaker 14: I'm not doing it every weekend unfortunately, but yeah, doing 2357 01:56:53,347 --> 01:56:54,827 Speaker 14: a little bit and really enjoying it. 2358 01:56:54,947 --> 01:56:56,747 Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, how I was going to ask, how have 2359 01:56:56,827 --> 01:56:58,547 Speaker 2: you found it? Have you have you found it? What 2360 01:56:58,987 --> 01:56:59,547 Speaker 2: you expect that? 2361 01:57:00,467 --> 01:57:03,547 Speaker 14: Yeah, in terms I knew it was going to be challenging, 2362 01:57:03,627 --> 01:57:06,827 Speaker 14: and but I wanted to see, Like I say, that 2363 01:57:07,067 --> 01:57:10,307 Speaker 14: was sort of the reason for doing it. And I'm 2364 01:57:10,387 --> 01:57:13,827 Speaker 14: learning a lot in terms of, yeah, just just how 2365 01:57:13,947 --> 01:57:17,307 Speaker 14: difficult it is to make calls, to see everything, to 2366 01:57:17,387 --> 01:57:21,267 Speaker 14: get into a right position to particulate community rugby like 2367 01:57:21,427 --> 01:57:23,827 Speaker 14: we're spoil I'm like anyone I watched most of the 2368 01:57:23,987 --> 01:57:29,387 Speaker 14: rugby is the elite level on TV cameras giving perfect images, 2369 01:57:29,907 --> 01:57:32,307 Speaker 14: but at community level you don't have any help and 2370 01:57:33,067 --> 01:57:35,107 Speaker 14: it's all on you to get into position to make 2371 01:57:35,147 --> 01:57:39,707 Speaker 14: a to make a call, and that's bloody tough. So yeah, 2372 01:57:39,867 --> 01:57:43,587 Speaker 14: there's more than one or two occasions on scratching the 2373 01:57:43,707 --> 01:57:47,427 Speaker 14: head wanting a replay or I think you know I 2374 01:57:47,547 --> 01:57:51,987 Speaker 14: got that right. You're just got to back yourself. And yeah, 2375 01:57:52,347 --> 01:57:54,147 Speaker 14: as long as the players are supportive, which they have 2376 01:57:54,307 --> 01:57:55,187 Speaker 14: been up until now. 2377 01:57:55,427 --> 01:57:58,547 Speaker 2: That's good one. I mean back chats to Conrad Smith though, 2378 01:57:58,667 --> 01:57:59,627 Speaker 2: or do they give it a crack? 2379 01:58:00,587 --> 01:58:04,107 Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I think there's a few young young guys 2380 01:58:04,147 --> 01:58:08,547 Speaker 14: and girls that even see me play so at the 2381 01:58:08,587 --> 01:58:10,027 Speaker 14: start that don't really know. 2382 01:58:10,187 --> 01:58:11,547 Speaker 10: And I have to say I have. 2383 01:58:11,907 --> 01:58:13,987 Speaker 14: I have played a few games, so I know that 2384 01:58:14,187 --> 01:58:20,787 Speaker 14: role and that's normally an interesting conversation, but respectful and 2385 01:58:21,267 --> 01:58:24,147 Speaker 14: I've been spoiled with the players I've had so far 2386 01:58:24,227 --> 01:58:24,907 Speaker 14: have been really good. 2387 01:58:25,147 --> 01:58:27,867 Speaker 2: Do you have any aspirations to emulate the likes of 2388 01:58:27,907 --> 01:58:30,467 Speaker 2: Glenn Jackson and take it take it further, become a 2389 01:58:30,547 --> 01:58:31,267 Speaker 2: teaset referee? 2390 01:58:31,307 --> 01:58:31,667 Speaker 17: One day. 2391 01:58:33,067 --> 01:58:35,427 Speaker 14: No, not at all, not a stage, and that's not 2392 01:58:35,627 --> 01:58:38,107 Speaker 14: you know, look, I think it's a great role. Well 2393 01:58:38,387 --> 01:58:41,107 Speaker 14: I'm actually you know, I'm really enjoying what I'm doing, 2394 01:58:41,907 --> 01:58:45,227 Speaker 14: working sort of off the field with referees, players, coaches 2395 01:58:45,747 --> 01:58:47,747 Speaker 14: around the laws of the game, and this sort of 2396 01:58:48,387 --> 01:58:51,867 Speaker 14: role helps, you know, I don't and don't envisage me 2397 01:58:52,027 --> 01:58:54,107 Speaker 14: giving that up to the end to see refereeing, but 2398 01:58:54,467 --> 01:58:57,907 Speaker 14: who knows. I'm enjoying it so far, so you never know, 2399 01:58:58,107 --> 01:59:01,907 Speaker 14: give it a few more months and terms of the 2400 01:59:02,267 --> 01:59:05,747 Speaker 14: terms with the it might change. I can't see that 2401 01:59:05,827 --> 01:59:07,667 Speaker 14: happening because, to be perfectly. 2402 01:59:07,347 --> 01:59:10,267 Speaker 2: Honest, as you say, you've stayed involved through the International 2403 01:59:10,347 --> 01:59:13,667 Speaker 2: Rugby Players since you're retired from the elite level. So 2404 01:59:13,787 --> 01:59:17,467 Speaker 2: you're in London recently launching the Global Rugby Players Foundation 2405 01:59:17,867 --> 01:59:20,867 Speaker 2: charity to support elate level players and their lives beyond 2406 01:59:20,907 --> 01:59:22,867 Speaker 2: the game, making sure they lead healthy and for filling 2407 01:59:22,947 --> 01:59:26,227 Speaker 2: lives once their rugby careers end. Can you tell us 2408 01:59:26,227 --> 01:59:26,907 Speaker 2: a bit more about that. 2409 01:59:28,267 --> 01:59:31,307 Speaker 14: Yeah, that's sort of something I suppose. 2410 01:59:31,387 --> 01:59:34,987 Speaker 29: It's sort of a part of what the player associations 2411 01:59:35,067 --> 01:59:37,787 Speaker 29: do that I'm pretty passionate about. Just Look, there's a 2412 01:59:37,827 --> 01:59:41,547 Speaker 29: lot of programs a lot every union, every player associations 2413 01:59:41,627 --> 01:59:44,627 Speaker 29: wanting to help players if they leave the game. You know, 2414 01:59:44,707 --> 01:59:47,147 Speaker 29: we're understanding more and more how challenging that is for 2415 01:59:47,587 --> 01:59:51,867 Speaker 29: all sports, particularly for rugby. You guys getting involved in 2416 01:59:52,027 --> 01:59:55,427 Speaker 29: girls younger and younger, which you know, sort of knowing them, 2417 01:59:55,747 --> 02:00:00,387 Speaker 29: the normal opportunity and normal routes around education and the 2418 02:00:00,467 --> 02:00:05,267 Speaker 29: areas where you normally develop yourself for careers, and so 2419 02:00:05,427 --> 02:00:07,467 Speaker 29: then it's sort of like, well, how do you help 2420 02:00:07,507 --> 02:00:10,627 Speaker 29: PLARSS when they finish your careers? And there's a lot 2421 02:00:10,667 --> 02:00:13,747 Speaker 29: of good ideas and programs, but they're all lacking resource, 2422 02:00:14,627 --> 02:00:19,067 Speaker 29: and so you know, the foundation is just about recognizing 2423 02:00:19,107 --> 02:00:22,347 Speaker 29: it's a global issue, So let's do it globally, raise 2424 02:00:22,427 --> 02:00:25,427 Speaker 29: some money and and then then feed the money the 2425 02:00:25,507 --> 02:00:28,667 Speaker 29: resource to to these programs that are really well run 2426 02:00:29,747 --> 02:00:31,867 Speaker 29: and just need a bit of extra support and then 2427 02:00:31,947 --> 02:00:36,307 Speaker 29: and hopefully they can ultimately help help plars and as 2428 02:00:36,387 --> 02:00:38,227 Speaker 29: they leave the game, you know, they pleany of support 2429 02:00:38,267 --> 02:00:40,787 Speaker 29: while we play and clean and support to get on, 2430 02:00:40,947 --> 02:00:42,907 Speaker 29: you know, the academies and that that are becoming more 2431 02:00:42,947 --> 02:00:45,387 Speaker 29: and more popular. So now we just want to see 2432 02:00:45,467 --> 02:00:48,467 Speaker 29: the support at the other end of the planers career. 2433 02:00:48,787 --> 02:00:51,027 Speaker 2: Such valuable work you're doing in this area, Conrad, and 2434 02:00:51,107 --> 02:00:53,947 Speaker 2: congrats on picking up the whistle as well. Make great 2435 02:00:53,987 --> 02:00:56,507 Speaker 2: to get the chance to chat to you, No problem, 2436 02:00:57,027 --> 02:01:00,347 Speaker 2: thank you, Conrad. Conrad Smith there ninety four Test All 2437 02:01:00,347 --> 02:01:04,067 Speaker 2: Black double, World Cup winner and now grassroots rugby referee. 2438 02:01:04,307 --> 02:01:08,307 Speaker 2: What terrific thing that is from Leon and Melbourne. Always 2439 02:01:08,387 --> 02:01:11,187 Speaker 2: enjoy getting your emails. Leon. He has focused in on 2440 02:01:11,267 --> 02:01:13,787 Speaker 2: the Warriors. As you know, I'm a huge stats fan, 2441 02:01:13,867 --> 02:01:15,387 Speaker 2: says Lee. I here are a few to chew over 2442 02:01:15,627 --> 02:01:18,667 Speaker 2: from the Storm Warriors game last night. After sixteen minutes 2443 02:01:19,067 --> 02:01:22,267 Speaker 2: Melbourne were behind fourteen nil, that had to make sixty 2444 02:01:22,307 --> 02:01:25,507 Speaker 2: eight tackles to only six against, had mist eleven tackles, 2445 02:01:25,747 --> 02:01:27,907 Speaker 2: had made three errors, had given away three penal release 2446 02:01:28,107 --> 02:01:30,787 Speaker 2: and made only three runs. Yet they stuck to their 2447 02:01:30,827 --> 02:01:32,907 Speaker 2: game plan and still won against the Warriors for the 2448 02:01:32,987 --> 02:01:36,947 Speaker 2: sixteenth straight time. Incredibly, it's now been three two hundred 2449 02:01:36,947 --> 02:01:39,827 Speaker 2: and sixty one days since the Warriors last beat the Storm. 2450 02:01:40,267 --> 02:01:42,827 Speaker 2: The Storm have, arguably, says Leon, been the most consistent 2451 02:01:42,867 --> 02:01:45,347 Speaker 2: team since joining the NRL in nineteen ninety eight, winning 2452 02:01:45,347 --> 02:01:48,227 Speaker 2: their made in title the following year and six in total. 2453 02:01:48,267 --> 02:01:50,587 Speaker 2: They have a winning culture from the front office to 2454 02:01:50,627 --> 02:01:52,947 Speaker 2: the players, which sets them apart from most other clubs 2455 02:01:53,267 --> 02:01:55,227 Speaker 2: and is why they're always there at the business end 2456 02:01:55,267 --> 02:01:58,707 Speaker 2: of the season. Enough said, Thanks Leon, appreciate your email 2457 02:01:58,747 --> 02:02:01,667 Speaker 2: as always. Australia fifty one for two in the eight 2458 02:02:01,787 --> 02:02:04,307 Speaker 2: over chasing one point eighty one to beat Scotland. Weekend 2459 02:02:04,307 --> 02:02:06,627 Speaker 2: Sport ninety three us. 2460 02:02:06,587 --> 02:02:09,747 Speaker 1: Down to the line you made a call on eight 2461 02:02:09,947 --> 02:02:13,467 Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pyne News Talk. 2462 02:02:13,387 --> 02:02:16,507 Speaker 2: ZMV five and a half to three. Are Scotland have 2463 02:02:16,547 --> 02:02:18,187 Speaker 2: picked up another work in a big one too. Glenn 2464 02:02:18,347 --> 02:02:21,387 Speaker 2: Maxwell is out, So Australia are three down now three 2465 02:02:21,507 --> 02:02:24,587 Speaker 2: for sixty in the night over chasing one eighty one. 2466 02:02:25,307 --> 02:02:27,667 Speaker 2: As I say, this won't matter for Australia, but England 2467 02:02:28,107 --> 02:02:31,827 Speaker 2: we'll be watching on with a growing sense of anxiety. 2468 02:02:31,947 --> 02:02:35,267 Speaker 2: I'm sure because of Scotland win this. England are going 2469 02:02:35,387 --> 02:02:39,867 Speaker 2: home quite astonishing, really quite incredible. That is us for 2470 02:02:39,947 --> 02:02:42,467 Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. Tim beverages in the chair after three o'clock 2471 02:02:42,547 --> 02:02:46,867 Speaker 2: with the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective. Huge thanks 2472 02:02:46,907 --> 02:02:48,747 Speaker 2: to Mark Kelly for producing the show the last couple 2473 02:02:48,787 --> 02:02:51,027 Speaker 2: of days. 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With England taking 2486 02:03:23,947 --> 02:03:28,227 Speaker 2: part in the European Championships this month, ahead their first 2487 02:03:28,267 --> 02:03:32,587 Speaker 2: game tomorrow morning against Serbia, a fresh wave of hysteria 2488 02:03:32,867 --> 02:03:37,227 Speaker 2: has hit England football fans who firmly believe that this 2489 02:03:37,507 --> 02:03:39,707 Speaker 2: drought of theirs that stretches all the way back to 2490 02:03:39,867 --> 02:03:44,867 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six is going to end. They believe football 2491 02:03:44,987 --> 02:03:48,707 Speaker 2: is coming home. It might be, but then again it 2492 02:03:48,867 --> 02:04:24,467 Speaker 2: might not. See Tomorrow Night Shows. 2493 02:04:22,427 --> 02:04:32,387 Speaker 1: Josh for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen 2494 02:04:32,547 --> 02:04:35,747 Speaker 1: live to news talks. 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