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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected news talks they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon coming up on the show today, great news. We've

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Speaker 2: got the free trade negotiations with the India starting this week.

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Speaker 2: Will speak to the Trade minister, the Police minister will

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Speaker 2: tell us why he wants longer sentences to reduce recidivism,

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Speaker 2: and the Finance Minister Nichola Willis as the.

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Speaker 3: Usual art for six Heather Dupliclan look.

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Speaker 2: After Albow's massive went across the Ditch on Saturday. I

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Speaker 2: can see a lot of commentators attempted to blame this

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Speaker 2: on trump Ism in the same way that they blame

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Speaker 2: the election Canadian election upset on trump Ism. But I'm

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Speaker 2: not convinced that they're right, at least not in the

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Speaker 2: way that they think they are. So what these commentators

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Speaker 2: are saying is that Trump has given Canadian and Australians

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Speaker 2: the ick so badly that they are voting against anything

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Speaker 2: that looks like Donald Trump, whether it's Dutton in Australia,

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Speaker 2: or Polyiev Canada, or just right wingism in general. People

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Speaker 2: hate Trump so much anything that even resembles him gets

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Speaker 2: the big no. Now, I don't think that is what's happened.

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Speaker 2: That's what's happened here, because have a look at what's

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Speaker 2: happening in New Zealand. At the moment. The two parties

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Speaker 2: in our parliamentary system that would probably share the greatest

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Speaker 2: number of policy positions with Donald Trump and New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First and Act, and both of these parties are polling

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Speaker 2: much higher than they historically have, like considerably higher than

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Speaker 2: they historically have. Also, those commentators seem to be conveniently

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Speaker 2: forgetting what just happened in the UK on Friday night,

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Speaker 2: which is that the Reform part of the party absolutely

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Speaker 2: is led by Nigel Faraj, and I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: the closest thing to Trump in the English speaking world.

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Speaker 2: So as much as the left would like to believe

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Speaker 2: that what happened in Australia and Canada is a Trump

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Speaker 2: the right, I don't think it is. I think what's

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Speaker 2: happened is the same thing that happened during COVID, which

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Speaker 2: is that we've just seen some safe voting take place.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump and his tariff talk on the possibility

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Speaker 2: of a massive global slowdown has freaked out voters in

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Speaker 2: a similar way to how COVID freaked people out. And

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Speaker 2: when people freak out, it favors the incumbent because it's

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Speaker 2: better the devil, you know, right when it comes to

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Speaker 2: protecting you. And that's why the Canadians returned their incumbent government.

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Speaker 2: It is why the Australians returned their incumbent government. Now

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Speaker 2: the same doesn't apply to the UK, where reform did

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Speaker 2: really well because that was a local body election system,

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Speaker 2: which is about rubbish and roads. It's not central government,

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Speaker 2: which is about tariffs and healthcare. So I suspect that

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't over egg how much voters hate Trump as

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Speaker 2: much as understand how much he might be frightening them.

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Speaker 3: Heather Due for see Alt.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine and two. Keen to get your text

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Speaker 2: on that standard techs fees apply as well. Now we've

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Speaker 2: got some new stats that just show show just how

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Speaker 2: badly underreported retail crime is. There's a new report by

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Speaker 2: Retail New Zealand. They surveyed about fifteen hundred shop owners

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Speaker 2: and ninety nine percent of those who were surveyed had

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Speaker 2: experienced some form of crime, which total about one hundred

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Speaker 2: about forty percent of these crimes weren't even reported to

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Speaker 2: the police. Now, Ruben Sharples is the owner of the

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Speaker 2: Ossie Butcher in Newlyn and is with us. Now, hey, Ruben, hey,

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Speaker 2: you going very well. Thank you. Have you done the

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Speaker 2: same thing. Have you had some crime happen and not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for a lot of the sort of the

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Speaker 2: And is it the case that every time you report

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've had some pretty big ones in the

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Speaker 4: Like we somebody that a few years ago saw a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Hey, Rubin, I really appreciate your time. Man,

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Speaker 3: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 2: I'm a shop owner and I don't bother reporting retail

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Speaker 2: crime after receiving a letter from Auckland Heart to the

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Speaker 2: attend shoplifting events report only. So it's a waste of

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Speaker 2: time reporting for no reason. Yea, I suspect there's a

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Speaker 2: Are you there, Heather? I'm here there, Yes. How could

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Speaker 2: we even have doubted the Warriors against the Cowboys?

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Speaker 7: Look at that ships? Doubt doubt it? What do we

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Speaker 7: say to each other on Friday? I can't remember. It

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Speaker 2: I came in with it a snark. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean it was unfounded because they got

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Speaker 7: thirty twenty six and then had a try supposedly in

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Speaker 7: touched it down. So thirty twenty six. Look, Heather, you

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Speaker 7: know it's the best ever eight game starts to a

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Speaker 7: Warrior's season, six ones, two defeats. You know, maybe we

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Speaker 7: halfway through the season we can make a more informed

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Speaker 7: assessment of how they'll go. But it's a pretty good start,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad at all. I mean again, I

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Speaker 2: as I did when they were having a massive slump

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Speaker 2: at the end of last year. But why what is

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Speaker 7: What a great question, What a great question, I reckon.

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Speaker 7: If you asked Andrew Webster, ask James Fisher Harris, to

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Speaker 5: For you.

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Speaker 7: It just seems to be an indefinable thing. Look, they're

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Speaker 7: No Roger two Vasa Seck, no Dellan, Why Tennis Alesniak

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Speaker 7: Rocoberry went off injured the other night. Next man up

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Speaker 7: seems to work for them. Look, maybe it is undefinable.

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's just a wave that you have to ride,

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Speaker 7: and while you're riding it, keep on riding.

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Speaker 2: That happened last year. I remember when they were down

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Speaker 2: bit of a pattern, there isn't it.

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Speaker 7: And then when they you know, and I don't suggest

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Speaker 2: Yeah hey, now listen, why do you think that super

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Speaker 7: Because I looked at the Magic Round for the NRL.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: You look at the Fiji and drew a fans to

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Speaker 2: Sucks. You just told me why it shouldn't happen in

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Speaker 7: I was playing the part of the naysayers when I

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Speaker 2: Seriously, if you took it to Fiji, could you maximize

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Speaker 7: A lot of Wait, but what dollars are we talking

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Speaker 2: Yes, Piney, honest, So you evern't know they're not? Okay,

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Speaker 7: Are you sure that they're on the look? Maybe? Down

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Speaker 2: Bit of a struggles.

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Speaker 7: Wellington Rugby. All the Super Rugby franchises, franchises I think

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm pretty sure that I read not long

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Speaker 2: to you on email. Okay, Piney, I'll look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: You're just so excited. Thank you Piney as always, Jason

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Speaker 9: Four twenty three Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

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Speaker 1: It's heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: Be I could happily report to you that I do,

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Speaker 2: Hurricanes seek one million dollar injection from shareholders after seven

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Speaker 2: stupid idea of taking any games to Ta Fiji, doesn't it,

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Speaker 2: I think I won that one again? Do I need

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Speaker 2: government is keck starting the trade negotiations with India so

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Speaker 2: give us the details on that. Heather, no way can

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Speaker 2: wing victory next time, don't get too excited about it,

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Speaker 2: the same thing repeating here. Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected. News talks end me. He said, Hi,

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Speaker 10: Together.

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Speaker 2: I know many of my friends who are in the

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Speaker 2: I don't watch the game, don't sit outside and watch

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Speaker 2: How crazy is it? I go to Eden Park not

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Speaker 2: you will carry on like that. Listen, Erica might be

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Speaker 11: I'm comfortable with how often Erica Stanford is using her

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Speaker 12: Well, again, my office has spoken with her. I understand

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Speaker 11: One youth has two followers with hundreds of pages that

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Speaker 2: And again, what was the issue The Prime Minister says

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, the hackers. What happens is when a hacker

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Speaker 2: Twenty two away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Now we've had a few bombshells from Donald Trump today.

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Speaker 2: He's going to put one hundred percent tariff on foreign

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Speaker 13: But it's something that, to the best of my knowledge,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's constitutional, that they're not allowing

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Speaker 13: But there are many people selling the twenty twenty had hat.

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Speaker 3: But this is not something I'm looking to do.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking to have four great years and turn it

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Speaker 2: Yemmens whothies have hit an airport in Israel with them

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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netan yahoo.

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Speaker 6: We will not tolerate it. We will take the very

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Speaker 2: And finally, the world's tallest dog has had a visit

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Speaker 2: from the world's smallest dog, so Pearl the Chuahwa is

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Speaker 1: On Pearl International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace

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Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Oli Peterson six pur Per Life presenter out of Australia

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Speaker 2: with us. Hey, Ali, get a head, what about Albert?

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Speaker 2: He will be feeling chucked today, won't.

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Speaker 5: He ah beg chime?

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Speaker 14: This is something that nobody saw coming, to be perfectly

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Speaker 14: honest with you, Heather, even though the poles were obviously

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Speaker 14: showing on the two party preferred question. It was sort

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Speaker 14: of a fifty three versus forty seven pole indication. Nobody

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Speaker 14: quite saw the blood bath which is now the Liberal Party,

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Speaker 14: which is completely cactus in this country. And the Prime

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Speaker 14: Minister is quite emotional to be perfectly honest and quite

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Speaker 14: proud and as he should be of himself and his

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Speaker 14: team that he wants to still lead for all Australian.

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Speaker 14: So today he's had a conversation, he says, with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: It was warm and friendly. He's already back in Canberra

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Speaker 14: getting back to work. But Heather, this is the roost

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Speaker 14: that he can rule for not only this term, but

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Speaker 14: probably another term after that. If he wants to do it, it's.

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Speaker 5: Really his it's his way on the highway.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you think doesn't did wrong?

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Speaker 14: I think ultimately Peter Dutton was never sold properly to

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Speaker 14: the Australian people that he was always a person who

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Speaker 14: was the tough cop on the beat, always wore a suit,

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Speaker 14: you know, never was a personable to people. Despite the

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Speaker 14: fact that off there and I've interviewed Peter Darton a

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Speaker 14: heap of times, he's a really likable bloke as he's

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Speaker 14: Anthony Alberaneesi. They're probably two of the less politician politicians,

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Speaker 14: if that makes sense Heather when they're off air. But

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Speaker 14: what I think he did wrong is he stood for

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Speaker 14: nothing in the end, so he really isolated women voters

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Speaker 14: in Australia and women in general. That work from home policy,

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Speaker 14: which he said, all of a sudden, public servants come

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Speaker 14: back to work, you got to do it, and then

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Speaker 14: a few days later he said no, actually we're.

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Speaker 5: Not going to do that anymore.

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Speaker 14: So Peter Dutton was always a politician of conviction that

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Speaker 14: then showed that he didn't stand for that. His nuclear

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Speaker 14: power policy I think was also a fatal flaw because

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Speaker 14: there was no detail around it. He said, we're going

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Speaker 14: to bring in nuclear it's going to cost billions and

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Speaker 14: billions of dollars. But it was really off in the

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Speaker 14: never never, So the hard work of policy in opposition

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Speaker 14: was not done and he really became unstuck during the

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Speaker 14: election campaign, looking as though he wasn't prepared, as though

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Speaker 14: he was a one man band. And this is a

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Speaker 14: really really big existential crisis for the Liberal Party now, Heather,

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Speaker 14: because they just simply do not resonate with mainstream Australia

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Speaker 14: and there is a long way for the party to

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Speaker 14: come back from the wilderness which has really been almost

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Speaker 14: hijacked by the conservative side of the party. They need

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Speaker 14: to somehow find a way back to the center and

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Speaker 14: then somehow actually provide an alternative to the Labor Party,

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Speaker 14: which is doing very well in that center left.

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Speaker 5: Area on the political spectrum.

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Speaker 14: So it's a fascinating result and something that our country

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Speaker 14: is going to grapple with, as I said, for at

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Speaker 14: least another two terms.

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Speaker 5: Alberanesi slash Labor governments.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. Now, what's the problem with the Olympic stadium

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Speaker 2: in Brisbane that's supposed to be under construction.

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Speaker 14: The green groups have just decided that the government doesn't

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Speaker 14: have any authority to claim the land and build the

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Speaker 14: Olympic stadiums. So this is the crucifilly government there in Queensland.

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Speaker 14: They've introduced new legislation to the Queensland Parliament to basically

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Speaker 14: get this thing built and they're not worried about really

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Speaker 14: the opposition to the.

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Speaker 5: Victoria Parks Stadium.

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Speaker 14: By the way, I was in Brisbane on the weekend

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Speaker 14: for Magic Ground Up the wars Bloddies of City Brisbane,

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Speaker 14: and I think this is just going through what the

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Speaker 14: usual throws of, if you like, of a of a

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Speaker 14: concerned local group is for the environment. But they'll have

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Speaker 14: to jump over a few more hurdles, pardon the pun,

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Speaker 14: and hopefully they can get this in constructed.

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Speaker 5: Twenty thirty two is not far away.

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Speaker 2: No, I liked your hurdle thing, by the way. I'm

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Speaker 2: still thinking about.

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Speaker 14: It because you'll be jumping hurdles there at the at

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Speaker 14: the Olympics.

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Speaker 5: Heether.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, I got it. I got it

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Speaker 2: immediately and then I was kind.

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Speaker 5: Of really give me those corporate boxes. You and I

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Speaker 5: are together will have fun.

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Speaker 2: Do you still watch Super Rugby well.

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Speaker 14: As I said, I went to rugby league on the weekend.

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Speaker 14: I've been to the Force a few times this year,

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Speaker 14: same thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, rugby league is different to Super rugby though,

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Speaker 2: isn't it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah it is. But isn't everybody on rugby league these days?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: That's right?

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Speaker 2: So do you still watch a little bit of the Force.

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Speaker 14: So the Force has been really good this year and

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Speaker 14: they're going to you know, probably miss out on the

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Speaker 14: finals again.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll go to the same as you.

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Speaker 14: I will go to the game when it's in Perth,

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Speaker 14: but I won't sit down and watch it really and yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 14: I'll go to the game.

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Speaker 5: I enjoy going to the game.

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Speaker 2: Why are you watching it? Because I probably prefer to

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Speaker 2: watch rugby league the mate. No, listen, I've got a

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Speaker 2: major problem with the pair of us and just talking

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Speaker 2: about this and without any shame at all, Ollie, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciated. Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenter.

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Speaker 2: Here the why is this news? Come on? That's about Erica.

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Speaker 2: Why this is news is because Gmail is not actually

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Speaker 2: considered the safest thing. Okay, so listen to Erica is

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Speaker 2: not your school teacher emailing your crappy exam results to

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Speaker 2: her Gmail account and nobody cares about it. Erica is

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Speaker 2: a government minister. There is a reason why we as

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Speaker 2: the taxpayers, pay shed loads of money for the government

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Speaker 2: to have like uber super duper security settings like our

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Speaker 2: workplace here at ENZB. Like the crap that I have

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Speaker 2: to go through to get into my email account on

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Speaker 2: my phone drives me nuts. I have to see the

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Speaker 2: little number, I forget the little number, then it has

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Speaker 2: to look at my face. Oh, it just drives me crazy.

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Speaker 2: And I'm constantly resetting my password because they care so

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Speaker 2: much about the information that they are trying to protect, ensignme,

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Speaker 2: my employer, the stuff that we're sending to each other,

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff is important and confidential and protected.

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Speaker 2: Now imagine how much more more so it is for

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Speaker 2: a government minister sending sensitive budgetment budget documents and sharing

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Speaker 2: you know, private information and cabinet documents and stuff like that. Right,

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Speaker 2: So they have gone hell for leather on Erica's phone, right,

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Speaker 2: they have made it very very hard for Erica's stuff

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Speaker 2: to get hacked. Then Erica sends it to her Gmail account.

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Speaker 2: Now Gmail accounts are not safe, mate, Gmail accounts are

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Speaker 2: not encrypted end to end. If you want to do

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Speaker 2: stuff like it, you've got to do it on your WhatsApp,

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Speaker 2: which is encrypted end to end. That's why naughty people

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Speaker 2: send each other naughty information on WhatsApp. So it's a

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Speaker 2: rookie mistake and that's why it's news because Erica should

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Speaker 2: have known better.

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Speaker 1: Quarter it's a five politics with centric credit, check your

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Speaker 1: customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Jason Wall's political editor at NEWSTALKSZ bears with with us

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Speaker 2: Hello Jason, Hello, Hello, how are yew im?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? How much troubles Erica in.

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Speaker 16: Well, we'll have to remain see, there were questions from

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Speaker 16: tvN's a political editor, Mikey Sherman. So I would imagine

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Speaker 16: in about an hour and ten minutes time she'll have

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Speaker 16: some of the details. But you know, from what we

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Speaker 16: heard from the Prime Minister, and as I understand that

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Speaker 16: you played a clip before, he seemed quote pretty relaxed

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Speaker 16: about it, as he said a number of times. So

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Speaker 16: we'll have to see how damaging it is. Tomorrow we'll

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Speaker 16: be doing a lot. We've got the caucus run where

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Speaker 16: we talk to the likes of Erica and others, so

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Speaker 16: we'll see what Her response is but yeah, first blush

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Speaker 16: of it. It's probably a distraction that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: doesn't want.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably relaxed about it, Jason, because I

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Speaker 2: don't know the detail. We only know as much as

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Speaker 2: we've heard in the post cabinet press conference. But if

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Speaker 2: at this moment it's a theoretical problem, isn't it. She

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Speaker 2: sent some emails, but have they been hacked? Have they

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Speaker 2: been exploited? Probably not, And unless they have, it's just theoretical.

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Speaker 16: Well, it comes down to the Cabinet Manual and it

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Speaker 16: technically says on a number of places that you can

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Speaker 16: only do various different things on government official devices, and

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Speaker 16: it does. And I think there will be a connection

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Speaker 16: made to Hillary Clinton back in twenty sixteen and the

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Speaker 16: email saga there, or there could be some connection made.

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Speaker 16: But yeah, well we'll have to see. The thing that

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Speaker 16: came out for me as I was listening to is

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Speaker 16: Lux and kept talking about how she couldn't get her

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Speaker 16: settings right, and I thought, good God.

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Speaker 5: The Crown.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well she's a minister of the crown.

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Speaker 5: She couldn't get the settings rightly?

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Speaker 2: No, I can't get you. I don't know how to

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Speaker 2: do printing at work here and I've been in this

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Speaker 2: office for how long have I been here, Laura? Six

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Speaker 2: years now? I've been back for that long. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: can't work the printers, can you.

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Speaker 17: Well?

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Speaker 16: I actually sat all the summer sat next to the

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Speaker 16: printer that you're is in the ZB office, and I

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Speaker 16: would say it is it can smell fear. If you

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Speaker 16: need something really quickly, it's not gonna premier for you.

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Speaker 2: I think we all understand. We can understand what I

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Speaker 2: don't really understand how Gmail fixed her print a problem,

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Speaker 2: but we understand that fundamental problem. Hey, so we've got

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Speaker 2: some people in India right now to try and to

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Speaker 2: kick off the negotiations.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that's what the Prime Minister was talking about

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Speaker 16: a post cab today. It seemed to be the thrust

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Speaker 16: of what he was talking about, him and Todd McClay.

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Speaker 16: But the Prime Minister likes to call him Trade McLay,

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Speaker 16: which is very fitting him, and he is the Trade minister.

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Speaker 16: So there's somebody right now over in India, and there's

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Speaker 16: they've started to kick off these negotiations. But I'll tell

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Speaker 16: you what I mean, we all knew that was coming.

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Speaker 16: It's not really all that exciting. The exciting thing for

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Speaker 16: me is when the journalist started asking about these Trump

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Speaker 16: tariffs on movies produced in foreign land. You might have

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Speaker 16: seen this truth social post where he said, we want

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Speaker 16: more movies made in America again, which was news to me.

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Speaker 16: I thought they were all made in America, but clearly not.

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Speaker 2: Now Chris Luck Jason stopped talking right now, have you

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Speaker 2: not watched The Lord of the Rings?

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Speaker 16: Wait, tell me more about The Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 16: You know where that foreign concept? To me, there are

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Speaker 16: some movies media Well. Anyway, maybe my ignorance was a

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Speaker 16: little bit naive on that because obviously a big center

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Speaker 16: of the world is Bollywood. Now, when the Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: was over in India, he was really talking up New

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Speaker 16: Zealand's movie production sector.

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Speaker 2: Then he said this.

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Speaker 12: Which I just think is truly world class. You know,

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Speaker 12: I've been advocating for it, and then dear for that

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Speaker 12: exact same reason, what would it take to get more

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Speaker 12: Bollywood productions here New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: So clearly the Prime Minister wants to pivot to Bollywood

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Speaker 16: and get a few more Kiwi movies made for that market.

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Speaker 12: I mean, they have made movies here in New Zealand

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Speaker 12: and the last twenty years or so, And my question

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Speaker 12: to them was what else would it take for you

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Speaker 12: to do more productions here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: And as we see these Trump tariffs come into effect,

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Speaker 16: we're going to see a lot more of this, these

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Speaker 16: pivoting to other countries.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this poll. I'm surprised that Pete that

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Speaker 2: that that a majority of us want to see man

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Speaker 2: and woman defined in legislation.

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Speaker 16: Are you, oh, well, I honestly no, I'm not. I

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Speaker 16: thought that these numbers were about right. I mean, you

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Speaker 16: kind of get a skewed view of things if you

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Speaker 16: read various different people talking about it. But basically this

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Speaker 16: is a curier pole into Winston Peters's bill that wants

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Speaker 16: to define a woman as an adult human biological female.

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Speaker 16: So so it was Courier that it was Family First

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Speaker 16: that did this polling. Fifty two percent of us support

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Speaker 16: this bill, with twenty nine percent of us opposed and

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Speaker 16: nineteen percent on a sure.

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Speaker 2: And obviously higher amongst you know, the governing parties who

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Speaker 2: lean to the right, and then not so much on

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Speaker 2: you know, in the opposition parties that lean to left.

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Speaker 2: But why I'm surprised, Jason's because I didn't think that

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Speaker 2: it would have had the cut through, that kind of

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Speaker 2: cut through to have fifty two percent wanting it.

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Speaker 16: It was about well, I mean, you can't really get

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Speaker 16: away from a question like this. I mean, it's been reported,

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Speaker 16: it was repurported quite widely. I was overseas when it happened.

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Speaker 16: I was sunning myself on the beach and mold Beeves

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Speaker 16: and I was reading about this a bill that Winston

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Speaker 16: Peters has put into the ballot. So clearly I had

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Speaker 16: some sort of cut through if it's getting to me,

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Speaker 16: although I am a bit of a political tragic on

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Speaker 16: the other side of the world, but it's something that

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Speaker 16: a lot of people have been thinking about for some time. Clearly,

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Speaker 16: there were fifteen one hundred. A random selection of fifteen

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Speaker 16: thousand New Zealand phone numbers was used in this as

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Speaker 16: the sample section.

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Speaker 2: I'm told interesting, Thank you, Jason, appreciate it. Jason Wall's

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Speaker 2: news talks, it'd be political editor. Did you get the

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Speaker 2: humble brag? Jason's been traveling seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Time mistris in the studio. Twelve billion is a stunning

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Speaker 18: amount of money. It's over four years, I understand that,

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Speaker 18: and nine it's new and we don't have any of it.

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Speaker 18: So Nicola, in announcing one point three instead of two

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Speaker 18: point four as she did last week, must have found

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Speaker 18: a shedload of doughse somewhere in terms of savings.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm going to be the wrong answer that you're

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Speaker 12: not going to like it, but it is.

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Speaker 18: I'm not going to talk about otherwise it just doesn't

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Speaker 18: add up.

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Speaker 12: Well, I can tell you it does add up, and

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Speaker 12: it's within our fiscal buzz.

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Speaker 3: It will all make sense. It will all make sense.

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Speaker 12: And what you're going to see as a budget that

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Speaker 12: is actually saying Yep, we know we're in tough and

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Speaker 12: uncertain times, but we have turned the corner and actually

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Speaker 12: things are getting better.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Hither I would wager that it was sent to Erica's

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Speaker 2: Gmail and then printed at home, ergo solving the printer issue. Richard,

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Speaker 2: That's probably right because eric is probably not allowed to

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Speaker 2: log into her work emails from like, you know, just

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Speaker 2: an unsecure computer at home, so you have to send

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Speaker 2: it to your Gmail. Then you can log into your

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Speaker 2: Gmail from the computer at home and you could print

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Speaker 2: it there. That probably does explain it, Thank you for sir.

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Speaker 19: It's kind of the reverse head of what the rest

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Speaker 19: of us through, where whenever we need to print it,

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Speaker 19: we rush into work and just print it out so we.

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Speaker 5: Don't have to get a print out.

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Speaker 2: What was the last thing that you brought in from

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Speaker 2: home to printed work?

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Speaker 19: Oh, the rules for a board game that I needed

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Speaker 19: to get off the internet.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I did it as well, and it was really

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Speaker 2: difficult when I was a maternity leave to do the printing.

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Speaker 2: So I'd send it to my husband from home. I'd

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Speaker 2: send it to him and be like, print that and break.

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Speaker 19: Oh I just sent it to me here. I'm happy

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Speaker 19: to do that for her. Yeah, they clearly. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 19: good point.

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Speaker 5: Nevermind.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you've offered. Now I'm going to know. Hey,

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Speaker 2: by the way, that farewell for Adrian all sounded grimm

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Speaker 2: didn't it. Did you read about WHOA Last Thursday? Adrian

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Speaker 2: snuck around the terrace and popped into the reserve bank

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Speaker 2: for drinkies. They had sau it was alcohol free, which

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Speaker 2: immediately I would have been like oh, I'm busy that

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Speaker 2: day washing my hair, alcohol free sausage rolls, though, cookies, muffins,

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Speaker 2: hot beverages, juice and water. They were going to hold

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Speaker 2: it down at the Midai down the road, which feels

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Speaker 2: appropriate for Adrian because you know he's a workstone stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, and that could have the pippittier mad I

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Speaker 2: can hold three hundred and fifty people. But then they

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Speaker 2: decided to hold it at the office, which says to

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Speaker 2: me that three hundred and fifty people were not going

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Speaker 2: to turn which is why they held it at the office.

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Speaker 2: And frankly, what's the bet that whoever turned up looked

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Speaker 2: at the list of looked at what was available and went, oh,

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Speaker 2: got to go home. They would have emptied out really quickly. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Finance ministers with us after six. We'll see if she

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Speaker 2: got an invitation. Next up, Tom McLay on the Indian negotiations.

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Speaker 1: Yay, digging through the spin spin to find the real

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Speaker 1: story story. It's Heather Dupuy on Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. Some good news on the trade front. New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and India are starting the first round of negotiations

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Speaker 2: towards a free trade agreement this week Trade Minister Tom

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Speaker 2: mclay's with me. Now, Hey Todd, Hey, Heather Hope. I'm

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Speaker 2: very well. Thank you. Who have we sent to India?

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Speaker 17: So a chief trade negotiator has gone out there, plus

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Speaker 17: a team with them as a good number of them.

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Speaker 17: So this is the first formal in person negotiations that

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Speaker 17: we're having. But there's been a lot of engagement online

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Speaker 17: and zooms and so on since the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 17: I announced that we were launching negotiations or what it's

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Speaker 17: just about a month ago.

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Speaker 2: And how long do you expect this to take? How

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Speaker 2: long are the in person negotiations slated for?

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Speaker 17: So they will run through this week, So it'll take

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Speaker 17: a week. There are many many meetings, and so we

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Speaker 17: take a good sized team out because we have experts

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Speaker 17: in many areas that they focus on from goods to

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Speaker 17: services to intellectual property and so on. They'll work through that.

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Speaker 17: This will be the first of what will be a

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Speaker 17: number of in person and negotiations. I would expect the

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Speaker 17: next one probably will be down in New Zealand, but

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Speaker 17: we decided to go up there. India's got quite a

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Speaker 17: few negotiations going on, so for scheduling, rather than waiting,

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Speaker 17: we thought I'd send my people up there so we

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Speaker 17: can get on with it.

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Speaker 2: Are they distracted by trying to strike a deal with

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Speaker 2: the US?

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 17: I discussed this with my counterpart, Piers Goel, who's the

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Speaker 17: quot there of their trade minister. We talked a lot

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Speaker 17: about this before we launch. They have the capacity to

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Speaker 17: negotiate a number of deals at the same time as

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Speaker 17: we do. Actually, so you're right there and get that.

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Speaker 17: They negotiating with the US at the moment, with the

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Speaker 17: European Union, with the UK and others. Some of those

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Speaker 17: I understanding going on over the next week or two.

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Speaker 17: And that's why I thought to send our people up

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Speaker 17: rather than I'm either dragging them down here or missed

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Speaker 17: the opportunity to have the very first in person negotiation

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Speaker 17: at the beginning of this month.

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Speaker 2: Todd, I see. Donald Trump has announced on one of

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Speaker 2: his social media accounts that he plans to put one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent tariff on foreign movies, which, obviously, if he

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Speaker 2: was to do it would affect us because we make movies.

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Speaker 15: Here.

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Speaker 2: Are we taking this seriously?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, we are very seriously. Although as with lots of

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Speaker 17: sort of announcements that come via social media, We're gonna

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Speaker 17: have to wait and try and get a bit more

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Speaker 17: information or see what comes out. I mean, as an example,

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Speaker 17: if it's whole movies that are made overseas means one thing,

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Speaker 17: But what if you know just one segment or one

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Speaker 17: part or some of the technical stuff that's done overseas.

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Speaker 17: So we don't know yet, but I can say the

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Speaker 17: Prime Minister was I was with them earlier. You know,

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Speaker 17: the New Zealand film industry is exceptional. They do a

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Speaker 17: great job. A lot of the US film and listy

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Speaker 17: relies on some of the things that we do here

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Speaker 17: that you can't do another parts of the world. So

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Speaker 17: quite a long way to go before we have any clarity.

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Speaker 17: Just as an aside, I'll be meeting my counterpartner, the

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Speaker 17: United States Trade Representative of Ambassador Grere, in the end

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Speaker 17: of next week at the APEC meeting in Korea, and

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Speaker 17: it'll be my first chance in person to talk to

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Speaker 17: them directly about these things. I will be making the

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Speaker 17: case for how US movie's named. It may not be

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Speaker 17: anywhere there is enjoyable without some New Zealand content.

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Speaker 2: I like that Hey, thanks very much, Todd, best of

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Speaker 2: Like Tod McLay, Trade.

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Speaker 3: Minister Heather Dupercy Ellen commentators.

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Speaker 2: Of blaming Donald Trump for the recent election results in

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Speaker 2: Australia at the weekend and obviously in Canada as well.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Ozzie Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi stormed to

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Speaker 2: a majority victory, apparently because his opponent Peter dusn't reminded

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Speaker 2: voters of Trump too much. Peter Dunn is a former

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Speaker 2: United Future leader and with US Now, Hey, Peter, do

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Speaker 2: you reckon it was the Trump effect?

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Speaker 20: I think it was in large part, but I think

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Speaker 20: think there was something else going on in Australia particularly,

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Speaker 20: and I suspect in Canada as well. Alban Aze he

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Speaker 20: made a very pertinent point in his victory speech when

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Speaker 20: he said this was a victory for Australian values. And

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Speaker 20: I think that's a very sane and sensible comment. You know,

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Speaker 20: it's a reaction to the Trump stuff, but it's also

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Speaker 20: about He talked about Australia and what Australian needed and

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Speaker 20: what Australians wanted, and I think that's a very powerful

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Speaker 20: message in this uncertain time. It's similar to Luxton's comment

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Speaker 20: about you know, well, given uncertainty, people go for the

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Speaker 20: status quo between the two. That's the kernel of the

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Speaker 20: truth here, you know, talk about the real things, and

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Speaker 20: in that environment, people will opt for the thing they know,

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Speaker 20: the certainty and the stability, rather than the fear of

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Speaker 20: the unknown.

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Speaker 2: So then therefore, would what do you think happens in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, Let's say we'll find ourselves in the

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Speaker 2: same situation with Trump and the global uncertainty. Does it

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Speaker 2: favor the left because the rump, the Trump, you know,

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Speaker 2: the right reminds people too much of Trump? Or does

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Speaker 2: it favor the current government because they are the income events.

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Speaker 20: I think it actually comes down to what both do.

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Speaker 20: On the face of the international experience from Canada and Australia,

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Speaker 20: would say it would favor the incumbent government. But then

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Speaker 20: because both were left wing governments, you might say, well

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Speaker 20: that's a balance the other way. I think it'll come

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Speaker 20: down to policies, and I think what the message arising

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Speaker 20: out of all of this, And again going back to

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Speaker 20: Albanizi's Australian values moniker that parties that sort of try

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00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 20: and import solutions or promote policies that are out of

874
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 20: step with the national mainstream and not what people are

875
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 20: seeking at the moment. So that's a challenge. You know,

876
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 20: in Australia it's been assumed that was done and in

877
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 20: the right and the Trump stuff, but it could equally

878
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 20: be the left. And I'm give you a very specific

879
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 20: local example Tory Faro and Wellington as mayor talk still

880
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 20: about being a transformational mayor that wasn't appreciated. That's the

881
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 20: point when you lose the public, you lose your credibility

882
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 20: and you lose your support and I think that's the

883
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 20: real message here. So for Labor and National it's about

884
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 20: their policy and their policies being credible and their policies

885
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 20: being in line with what the mainstream of New Zealand

886
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 20: voters want, and then it's a matter of choice from there.

887
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Peter, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you

888
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: appreciate your time. As Peter Dunn. Former United Future leader.

889
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: Heather due Clan Mark Mitchell's.

890
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: Policemanister is going to be with us after the half

891
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: past news because he wants to get rid of shorter

892
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: prison sentences. Here. The how did TV and Z get

893
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: hold of those emails? From Erica Stanford if they joined

894
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: with the hacker, surely tvans it is jointly liable. Cheers

895
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: Mark here, the who told tales on Erica Stanford from Lindley.

896
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: I'd be really surprised if there was an actual hack.

897
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: I doubt that very much. I think probably a more

898
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: simple explanation is that, remember, Eric is sending the emails

899
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: from her work account, her government account to her Gmail account,

900
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: So it's probably you could just fire a little official

901
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: Information Act and requesting please provide all the emails that

902
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Erica Stanford center herself, and there you go, bang, you

903
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: get the results, folders full of the stuff Heather. Erica

904
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: isn't a story because how does this affect the voter?

905
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: How does Eric using the Gmail affect my life? It's

906
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: an internal employment matter, and that's at TVs. It is

907
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: getting desperate with us. I would agree with that, will

908
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's fascinating to just it's just fascinate.

909
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting, that's the end of it. But nothing unless

910
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: something bad has happened and somebody's got a hold of

911
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: an email and they've used it in the wrong way.

912
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. It's theoretical isn't it. It's like, theoretically

913
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: Erica could have done something really bad if somebody got

914
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: into her Gmail account, but did they And if they didn't,

915
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: then three out of ten wouldn't you say? Five to fourteen? Hey,

916
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: I've been behind the wheel of the new BYD Shark

917
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: six for a few weeks now, and let me tell

918
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: you what I'm loving about it at the moment. Just

919
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: the cameras. I can park this thing like a boss.

920
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: It's a big use. I can park it like a boss.

921
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: You've got the bird's eye view view camera which allows

922
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: you to get into those really tight little car parks

923
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: and looks like you know exactly what you're doing. There

924
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: are cameras at the front, cameras at the back, keeping

925
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: everybody safe around you, but also keeping the cars safe

926
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Speaker 2: from all of the dents. And this thing moves. We

927
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: are talking four hundred and thirty horsepower that will take

928
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: you from zero to one hundred in just five point

929
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: seven seconds, And driving becomes a whole new experience when

930
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: you've got the confidence of serious reliability to You've got

931
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: BYD six year warranty that covers you for up to

932
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand k's plus you get yourself

933
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 2: eight years of roadside assistance, and that's not to mention

934
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: the satisfaction of cruising around with minimal environmental impact. You

935
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: can own one starting from just sixty nine nine hundred

936
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: ninety dollars plus on road costs and that is exceptional

937
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: value for what you're getting. So head along to byd

938
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Speaker 2: Auto dot co dot Nz for more Together do for

939
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: ce Ellens eighteen past five. Now tell you what people

940
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: are talking about, which is the cost of a wedding

941
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: at the moment. And this is because according to one planner,

942
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: her wedding planner who's spoken to the media today, the

943
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: average wedding has apparently gone up to more than eighty

944
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars this year. That's up from sixty four

945
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: thousand dollars last year and fifty nine thousand dollars the

946
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: year before. Suzanne Carson is the owner and creative director

947
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Speaker 2: of Wedding Professionals based out of christ churchin Is. With

948
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: us now, Hey, Susanne, Hello Heather, eighty seven thousand, they

949
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: can reach that.

950
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Speaker 21: We've gone up as high as one hundred and sixty

951
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 21: thousand for a thirty five person wedding, but that was international,

952
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 21: coming in from overseas.

953
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: Hold on, what are they paying for flights with that money? No,

954
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: they weren't.

955
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 21: But it did involve many many social events related to

956
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 21: the wedding, and it was family only, so they went

957
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 21: all out to give them the experience. And I think

958
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 21: that's what it's all about these days.

959
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Okay, is I mean, are you on the regular If

960
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: eighty seven thousand or thereabouts is average, are you on

961
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: the regular scene that as an average spent?

962
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 13: No?

963
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 21: I don't, actually, to be honest, I think that's quite exceptional.

964
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 21: I think today people are prioritizing other things rather than extravagance.

965
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 21: I think personalization is a great big thing. I think

966
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 21: they want the experience, and they want the experience for everybody.

967
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 21: So I do believe that the numbers have come down

968
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 21: from our guest numbers from what it used to be.

969
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought that in the current economic environment,

970
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: if people would be going small rather than large.

971
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 21: I think you're quite right heither. Actually, that's that's the

972
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 21: trend that we're seeing down here.

973
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also listen, just in terms of you know,

974
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: if some wedding planners are seeing this kind of a spend,

975
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: is that because people are getting married later in life

976
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: and have a little bit more money, like you do

977
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: all your travel first, have your babies first, get the

978
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: house first, and then you go and get yourself married.

979
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: You've done the research. Yes, it's quite right, and the

980
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: lives around me.

981
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 21: Yes, No, that's that's quite right. They are there even

982
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 21: having their overseas travel together after they've you know, after

983
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 21: they've been even engaged, and that they'll have a very

984
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 21: long engagement, yeah, and then decide that they'll come back

985
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 21: and then perhaps you know, they'll have babies and buy

986
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 21: a house and then they'll think of getting married. It's

987
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 21: not all cases, but some we've seen that trend coming

988
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 21: through for a while. Then you've got the officite, which

989
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 21: is the elopements. And that's probably a sad part about

990
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 21: the industry at the moment because I'm not sure what

991
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 21: the longevity of the satisfaction for anyone having an elopement

992
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 21: because they couldn't share it with their family.

993
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you also don't remember how your mum

994
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: got angry with you about a stupid thing, so it

995
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: cuts both ways. I'd say, Suzanne, thank you very much.

996
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: Suzanne Carson, wedding professional owner and creative director. This will

997
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: sting for the I wasn't talking about yes, I was talking,

998
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: of course, I was talking about personal experience. My mum

999
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: got really cross with me because I didn't do something

1000
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: and I didn't think it was a big deal. And

1001
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: what it was was I stuffed up the seating plan.

1002
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: So she was sitting in Siberia and to be fair,

1003
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: she probably had She probably had a point, didn't she. Anyway,

1004
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: Listen on Universities reckon why Cato University will be feeling

1005
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: a bit sore today because the Tertiary Education Commission, which

1006
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: is basically the university watchdog, has had a crack at

1007
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: the government's plan to give Why Cuttle University this Metai school.

1008
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: It's told the government. While Why Cuttle has been good

1009
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: with its money thus far, giving it the third medical

1010
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: school would make it a financial high risk just because

1011
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: of the scale of how much money we're talking about here,

1012
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: scale of the project, scale of the investment and so on.

1013
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: But then said of why Cuttle's overall academic performance, it

1014
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: continually performs within the bottom half of university educational performance indicators.

1015
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: Bikila willis who hands out that money to that place

1016
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: if she wants to is going to be with us

1017
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: after six five twenty two.

1018
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

1019
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

1020
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: That'd be five twenty four. Hey, by the way, did

1021
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: you watch the full Prince Harry interview on BBC. If

1022
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: you haven't, don't. It is mind numbingly boring listening to

1023
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: Harry and that interview is like listening to a conspiracy

1024
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: theorist trying to explain to you this huge cover up

1025
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: that they've found out. And they know that it's a

1026
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: cover up because they found this one fact about the

1027
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: fact that there's someone sitting on a subcommittee of a

1028
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: committee in the person shouldn't be sitting on it. And

1029
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 2: he never knew that someone was sitting on it because

1030
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: no one wanted to admit it. But now he knows

1031
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: that someone is sitting on it, and that proves the

1032
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: whole conspiracy. But the problem with this is you're not

1033
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: following because you're not listening because it's boring, and that

1034
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: is ninety nine percent of what Harry's interview is, Like

1035
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: I did it for you, I can tell you what's

1036
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: going on here he's got a point. Okay, he's got

1037
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: a point. He should probably have government supplied security because

1038
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: he was working Royal and others who do public work

1039
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: get a lifetime security if they need it. And the

1040
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: thing is that they've chosen to do that work and

1041
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: they still get the lifetime security. He didn't choose to

1042
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: do the work. He was born into it, so surely

1043
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: he qualifies for the security fair enough. And that, according

1044
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: to him, is the point of the interview to convince

1045
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: the public and Serkistama, the new UK Prime Minister, and

1046
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: presumably his family, who he suspects of this conspiracy theory

1047
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: that he needs to be given the security right. That

1048
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: is the point of the interview. Except it's not going

1049
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: to work, is it, Because that's not what everybody's talking

1050
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: about today. No one's talking about his security. What they're

1051
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: talking about is the fact that he said to the

1052
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: BBC that the King's cancer diagnosis is terminal pretty much,

1053
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: and the King hasn't said that, has he. He's been

1054
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: carrying on like it's not terminal. So has Harry just

1055
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: given up a family secret? Now? I don't know whether

1056
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: Harry is just dumb, which he definitely is. By the way,

1057
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: or if he's taking terrible advice, and maybe it's a

1058
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: combo of the two, but either way, this feels like

1059
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: the end to me. I think we can call this now.

1060
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: I think this is the end. I don't know that

1061
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: he will ever be back in the royal fold. There

1062
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: was some hope that once the court case was over,

1063
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: which was last week, then they could put this all

1064
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: behind them, they could come together as a family, but unfortunately,

1065
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: as soon as that court case was over, Harry went

1066
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: back to doing what Harry does, which is giving interviews

1067
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 2: about his family, which they hate. So you can only

1068
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: assume that they're going to go back to doing what

1069
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: they do too, which is leaving him out of it

1070
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: and not welcoming him back in. And frankly, after watching

1071
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: this happen again, can you blame anyone other than Harry?

1072
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 3: Heather dupis the allen here.

1073
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: The try having an Indian wedding easily easily. It costs

1074
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty to three hundred thousand dollars because

1075
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: each wedding is over three to five days. Here, the

1076
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: people shouldn't be spending so much money on the wedding.

1077
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: They should be saving it to pay for the divorce.

1078
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: This is all very good, good intel. Yeah, Heather, I

1079
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: had a barbecue wedding. It cost five hundred dollars and

1080
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm still married. Cheers. Do you know what I would

1081
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: do is if your kids were getting planning to get married,

1082
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: tell them to have babies first, because it's just you know,

1083
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: what you're doing is you're finding out if you're going

1084
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Speaker 2: to stick it together, aren't you? Because nobody irritates you

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00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: more than your spouse. When you've got a baby screaming

1086
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: at three Ama, you really hate them. So then you're

1087
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: gonna find out if you want to spend eighty seven

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00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and get married to them, an't yeah? Headlines

1089
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: next Forever Lost.

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Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

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00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: Nicola Willas's going to be with us after six o'clock.

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00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: I tell you what I want to talk to Nichola

1096
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: willis about you will have heard by now right that

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00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: the wild Root Wild Room. It's not that wild, is it.

1098
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: The rumor is that she will be means testing the

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00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: key We saber contributions that the government gives you, right,

1100
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: so you get your five hundred and blah blah whatever

1101
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: dollars they chuck into your account for having like well, Dane,

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00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: you've got a key. We save her account bunk and

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00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: it goes. But it will only go in apparently, according

1104
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Speaker 2: to Thomas Coglin, for people earning under one hundred and

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00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars a year, which feels like, why that's

1106
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: wildly too high for a means testing. Isn't it like

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00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: I'd bring it in lower if I was going to

1108
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: means test anywhere. We'll ask her about that after six

1109
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Huddle is standing by right now. It's coming up twenty

1110
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: four away from six.

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00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Corrections Heather Duplessy allen.

1113
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: The Corrections Minister wants to lock crooks up for longer.

1114
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Criminals that serve five years or more in jail are

1115
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: generally less likely to offend, according to the stats. So

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00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: the Minister Mark Mitchell has asked Corrections to look at

1117
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: whether those shorter sentences could be extended. And he's with

1118
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: us now how much hey here, how are you? I'm well,

1119
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: thanks mate? How would you do it?

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Speaker 3: That's good?

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00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 22: Well, I don't know.

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00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 5: That's why.

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Speaker 22: It's exactly why I've asked corrections to go away and

1124
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 22: have a look at it. But but yes, you are right.

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Speaker 22: Is that when you look at it, longer sentences mean

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Speaker 22: that normally the people commit to their rehabilitation, better engage

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Speaker 22: in more rehabilitation, and are therefore less risks to the

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Speaker 22: community when they come out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to do it at the sentencing part,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you.

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Speaker 22: Well, I'm looking at it purely from the correction side

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Speaker 22: of it, because obviously we deliver rehabilitation now. So there's

1133
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Speaker 22: a couple of things that we did when we came

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Speaker 22: into government. We made sure that prison is on remand

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Speaker 22: who who don't get access to rehabilitation can get access

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Speaker 22: to rehabilitation.

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Speaker 3: Now we change the law around that.

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Speaker 22: You know, we're constantly looking at the programs that do

1139
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 22: work that don't work, giving people realized skills, genuine realized

1140
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 22: skills that actually will help them when they do come

1141
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 22: out of prison. But a part of that work too

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Speaker 22: is just seeing, you know, how effective short sentences are

1143
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Speaker 22: and what the options are for us inside corrections.

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00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: But what okay, so, what say does corrections have over

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00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: how long a prisoner spends in prison.

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00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 22: Well, Corrections doesn't have any say on that because other

1147
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 22: than the fact they can provide advice and.

1148
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Speaker 3: Reports to the parole board, et cetera.

1149
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: So this is basically, why are you asking Corrections to

1150
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: look at it if they have no say on how

1151
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: long these people are well?

1152
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 22: Because because because we deliver rehabilitation. So even if we

1153
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 22: do go through it and identify, yes, that short sentences

1154
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 22: are not very effective, maybe we can figure out ways

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Speaker 22: of delivering rehabilitation. I just alluded to the fact that

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00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 22: we just changed the law before romand prisoners were getting

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00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 22: no programs at all while they're in prison. And bearing

1158
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 22: in mind that up to fifty percent of our population

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00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 22: at any given time is on remand either remand accused

1160
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 22: or remand convicted, So we're already making changes around that.

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Speaker 22: It's just a broader piece of work that I've asked

1162
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 22: Corrections to do to identify what the real issues are

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00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 22: around shortest sentences sentences.

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Speaker 2: The hero social cited match when it says the ministers

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00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: looking at this and he wants to swap the short

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Speaker 2: sentences for long sentences, That's not really what you're planning

1167
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: to do. You're just trying to how to get the

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00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: short sentence people not correct? Reoffended?

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Speaker 22: Yes, yes, correct, Well you don't have a broader look

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Speaker 22: at it. And if and if it's really clear that

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 22: actually short shorter sentence are shorter sentences aren't effective, in

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00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 22: fact they counterintuitive, then at least we've armed with that

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 22: information as a government and informs us to make decisions.

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00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. Hey, have you been sending yourself emails

1175
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: from your work account to your Gmail account?

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00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 22: I haven't.

1178
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good. You're obviously smarter than Erica.

1179
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Speaker 9: Have you.

1180
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: Have you asked Erika about what's going on with her

1181
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: printer here?

1182
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: No, I've got no idea.

1183
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 22: All I know is that you had a bit of

1184
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 22: a disaster just coming on here, that one of your

1185
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 22: braces broke. But I have to say they're worried.

1186
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 2: I can't avoid the German.

1187
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 22: But you sound fine, You sound fine.

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00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Look terrible though. Mark Mitchell corrections to

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00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: see it just looks look just so that you're an

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00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: honest now, because now he's let the cat out of

1191
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: the bag. What happened is when I was twenty one,

1192
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: I had braces, right, don't judge me for it. I

1193
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: was a nerd. So anyway, after that, they put a

1194
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: wire behind your teeth, which I'm telling you this for

1195
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: the benefit of Joseph Gani, who didn't know that that

1196
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: happens after you have braces. Then what happened was here,

1197
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: I am, at the age of forty eating an apple,

1198
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: and the wire behind my tooth broke. And what do

1199
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Speaker 2: we know about reading the Bible? Women should not eat apples.

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00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: The last one who ate an apple basically destroyed womankind,

1201
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: and I destroyed my wire. Twenty away from six.

1202
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're

1203
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: one of a kind.

1204
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: Joseph Ghani, the Huddle Child Fund CEO, and Thomas Scrimger

1205
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: of the Maxim Institute. How are you two?

1206
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 15: Hello?

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00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: Are you there? Thomas?

1208
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 17: Hi there?

1209
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: You'll like you'll like my little reference to the Bible. Ah,

1210
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: because you work for the Maxim Institute.

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 5: Oh exactly, hither it's that great to say that you're literate.

1212
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I think that's a delay rather

1213
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: maybe or maybe I just had him thinking on his

1214
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: feet right there, Eric, Josie, what do you think of

1215
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: Erica sending himself the sending herself rather the Gmail account stuff.

1216
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 23: So, I mean, nothing bad has happened, but there is

1217
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 23: a precedent for this, right. The reason that politicians have

1218
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 23: their own you know, they don't send their professional emails

1219
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 23: that from their political addresses to Gmail is because as

1220
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 23: a risk that stuff leaks, or they send.

1221
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: It because it's encrypted.

1222
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 23: But look at the Signal thing, the scandal in America

1223
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 23: with Pete Hegsath and Mike Waltz has now lost his job.

1224
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 23: It went, I mean that it just blew up. It

1225
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 23: was it was chaos, right, they're sending it to journalists,

1226
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 23: they're sending it to his wife and his brother and

1227
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 23: so on. So the reason why you have these processes

1228
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 23: is to protect information.

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00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: That might actually But what I would say to you, Josie, is,

1230
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: in the case of the Signal thing in the US,

1231
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: it wasn't theoretical, right, They actually included a journal who

1232
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: should not have seen any of the stuff at all.

1233
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: They actually included him in war plans. This is theoretical.

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00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: With with Erica, as far as we know, she's been

1235
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: sending herself some budget docu about little old like five

1236
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: million dollars spend in New Zealand, who cares.

1237
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 23: Yes, but it starts there and next thing, you're waging

1238
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 23: war on Yemen. You know you've got you've got to

1239
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 23: have the rules in place. So Luxlon does have to

1240
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 23: pull her up. But it's not a story that lasts

1241
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 23: beyond today, surely not unless there's something else that TV

1242
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 23: ands and mikey which ies out very much.

1243
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: Thomas, what do you make it? You're like totally exercised

1244
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: by eric A sending herself emails to her Gmail account.

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00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 24: Well, I'd like to wait till I see the full

1246
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 24: story of the details that I don't jump the gun here,

1247
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 24: but obviously it's it's not a good look. Security is

1248
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 24: really important for cabinet ministers. We live in a world

1249
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 24: that is not as friendly as it might have been

1250
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 24: in the past, so that sort of discipline around data

1251
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 24: is pretty important. So I don't know how serious it's

1252
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 24: going to be, but certainly Luxon should be taking a

1253
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 24: hard look at the decision making and security processes about

1254
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 24: government information.

1255
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Tell them to stop doing that. Now, what do you

1256
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: think Thomas about the idea of dealing Well, well, I

1257
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: have to be honest with you, I'm disappointed that Mike

1258
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: Mitchell didn't want to replace all the short sentences with

1259
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: long sentences, are you, Oh, well.

1260
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Speaker 24: I think sentencing is one element of the justice system.

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00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 24: I don't think it's the most important one. I mean,

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00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 24: it's probably more significant that people have a concern that

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00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 24: they will be caught and successfully prosecuted in the first place.

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00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 24: And then the second problem is that the prisons themselves

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00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 24: and then Corrections just commissioned the report a couple of

1266
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 24: weeks back it came out, and the prisons have just

1267
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 24: a profound gang influence. They run exercise a strong amount

1268
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 24: of power in the prisons themselves. So if that's the

1269
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 24: state of the prisons, seeing people there for a longer

1270
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 24: amount of time isn't actually going to solve the problem.

1271
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 24: So I think there are kind of other elements other

1272
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Speaker 24: than sentence things.

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00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: Isn't that the opposite of what Mark Mitchell has found.

1274
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: What he's found is if you do a long sentence,

1275
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: you're less likely to reoffend. It's the short sentences. There's

1276
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: actually the people who stay there for a short amount

1277
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: of time who are likely to go out and do

1278
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: naughty things.

1279
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 24: Again, Well, that's possibly correct, but I think Mark Mitchell

1280
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 24: doesn't have He said he's looking into this. It's not

1281
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 24: an air type plan. This is going ahead. So certainly

1282
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 24: it's fair enough to look at sentence links are a

1283
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 24: part of the justice system and crime, you know, as

1284
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 24: a problem that people are concerned about. But in the

1285
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 24: first place, prisons aren't first and foremost about rehabilitation and recidivism.

1286
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 24: Those are important secondary concerns. But really we should be

1287
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 24: looking at are the sentences proportionate to the crimes, Are

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 24: the prisons working well as prisons? And then recidivism and

1289
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 24: rehabilitation are a second conversation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold your thought on that, Josey. I'm going to

1291
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: come back to you after the break. I want to

1292
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: hear what you've got to say. Sixteen away from five

1293
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: or six.

1294
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: Rather the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve

1295
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparalleled reach.

1296
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: All right, you're back with a huddle Joseph Beguinni and Thomascrims.

1297
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Speaker 2: You're right, Josie, what did you think of what Mark

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Speaker 2: Mitchell said.

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Speaker 23: He's looking at the evidence right now and and he's

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Speaker 23: not making any decisions. The first thing I would say

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Speaker 23: is going to cost billions of dollars. We're already spending

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Speaker 23: an extra nine billion to make twelve billion on defense,

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Speaker 23: which I think we need to do. It's a lot

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Speaker 23: of money, so you've got to do You've got to

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Speaker 23: think about the trade offs first. That's that's going to

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Speaker 23: be a lot less money going into health to go

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Speaker 23: into something where the evidence is mixed. So, yes, this

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Speaker 23: data coming out saying at the moment looks like shorter sentences.

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Speaker 23: You come out and you do more recidivism and you

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Speaker 23: cause more crime. But that evidence is quite mixed. If

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Speaker 23: you look at the evidence around the three strike slaw

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Speaker 23: when we had it, crime didn't go down. So people

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Speaker 23: were getting longer sentences. Crime wasn't going down. The difference

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Speaker 23: is the rehab. The you know, the halfway houses like

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Speaker 23: Dave Letelly's parents who run Grace Amazing right, and Howard Lee.

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Speaker 23: You know they teach people to give them skills like

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Speaker 23: driving cars.

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Speaker 2: They give them, but not allood Jose, not.

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Speaker 23: All halfway house gone. But the ones that wrap some

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Speaker 23: support around them when they come out a job, something

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Speaker 23: that makes them not go back to the gangs. A job,

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Speaker 23: a house, learned to drive a car with a regal license,

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Speaker 23: All of that stuff makes a real difference. So I think, Mitch,

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Speaker 23: I hope we'll look at all of that and go

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Speaker 23: where can we do that best, and consult with Dave Letelly,

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Speaker 23: consult with Shane White out at Horney White to Tea

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Speaker 23: who does kapahaka in the prisons and has probably turned

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Speaker 23: around more people than any government program.

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Speaker 2: So talk to those guys. You get it right, Tomas,

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Speaker 2: You reckon that there's a trumpy pattern here and what

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Speaker 2: we're seeing with the elections, and if so, what is it?

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Speaker 24: Oh well, I think certainly in the Canadian elections, Trump

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Speaker 24: had a massive effect. The Conservative leader Pierre Poliev can

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Speaker 24: probably feel a bit hard done by. The Canadian national

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Speaker 24: identity is pretty well based around not being the Americans.

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Speaker 24: So you know, anything that had the faintest worth of

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Speaker 24: Trump and they ran a mile from I'm not really

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Speaker 24: sure it's the same with Australia. They're a lot further away.

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Speaker 24: The tariffs aren't quite as severe for them. Anthony Albanezi

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Speaker 24: has just been elected for his second term. You normally

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Speaker 24: get second go and Peter Dudden wasn't the strongest candidate.

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Speaker 24: They didn't have a clear policy vision, They weren't able

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Speaker 24: to articulate that and just didn't talk about the things

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Speaker 24: ordinary Australians were worried about. And then finally he just

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Speaker 24: wasn't that likable. He wasn't a charming, charismatic figure. So

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Speaker 24: media love Trump stories because it gets clicks tempting to

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Speaker 24: look for it, but it's probably a bit more boring

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Speaker 24: than that Australians cared about bread and butter issues and

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Speaker 24: the Australian Liberals than off of them something for it.

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Speaker 23: I think if you're looking for patterns, there's a lesson

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Speaker 23: there for opposition parties of any right or left right

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Speaker 23: that if you go into an election thinking that arising

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Speaker 23: the polls is support for you, and not arising the

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Speaker 23: polls to say we don't like the incumbents of the government.

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Speaker 23: So that's what was happening in both Australia and Canada,

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Speaker 23: and both parties I think mistook that for support for them.

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Speaker 23: So when that fell away and Trump's chaos looked so

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Speaker 23: chaotic that you had voters going, I choose competence over chaos.

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Speaker 23: I choose someone who looks like they could run a

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Speaker 23: corner daring over the nutter.

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Speaker 2: In the ways say about elections, we always say that

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Speaker 2: elections are about the economy, right, yeah, and Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: So it's about what you got in your pocket. And

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and all the chaos that he's causing at

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Speaker 2: the moment threatens what you've got in your pocket. It

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Speaker 2: makes you feel vulnerable. So that's the other lesson, right,

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Speaker 2: So you go from the incumbent and you go for

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Speaker 2: the competent one, as you say.

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Speaker 23: And the lesson for Carney and Albanesi, Australian and Canada

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Speaker 23: have just suddenly won from incumbency is that people just

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Speaker 23: want you to make their lives better off. And it's

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Speaker 23: and I think for the for the right that's playing

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Speaker 23: the populace card here. The lesson is, you know, people

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Speaker 23: don't want woke. They're very pleased that we're past Pete woke.

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Speaker 23: They don't want the opposite of that. They don't want

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Speaker 23: a conservative gross stuff no, and they don't want to

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Speaker 23: sort of over correction the conservative culture war. So they're

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Speaker 23: just sick of talking about it. And I think both

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Speaker 23: Dutton and Poiliver and I'm loving all the different ways

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Speaker 23: that we're pronouncing his name, but that he campaigned does

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Speaker 23: the Trump candidate.

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Speaker 2: So did Dutton.

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Speaker 23: Then they tried to walk away from that and back

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Speaker 23: off and go I'm not Trump, I'm not Trump. I mean,

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Speaker 23: if you saw Dutton's face when one of his candidates

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Speaker 23: said make Australia great again, and he went, oh bloody hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, poor old Dutton. He wasn't even going to get elected.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you just need to look at his face. Hey, Thomas,

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Speaker 2: how much did you spend on your wedding?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Well, hither I saw that this might be coming up,

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Speaker 24: and you'll be pleased to know. In the last two

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Speaker 24: and a half years, I've been to nine weddings, so

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Speaker 24: I'm a bit of a wedding attending expert at the moment.

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Speaker 23: My ag funerals Thomas, So yeah.

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Speaker 24: That's the other end of things. But honestly, I heard

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Speaker 24: the interview and the wedding planner saying kiwis or spending

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Speaker 24: eighty seven thousand dollars on weddings. I don't know that

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Speaker 24: any of the weddings I've been to in the last

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Speaker 24: couple of years would have spent even half that. But

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Speaker 24: I think the thing they had in common is that

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Speaker 24: they weren't hiring wedding planners to organize their wedding. But

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Speaker 24: I think it is interesting that people still seem to

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Speaker 24: think weddings are important, and you're talking about delaying them

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Speaker 24: until after other life milestones. But people still clearly see

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Speaker 24: something in weddings and celebrating commitments, and that's something that

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Speaker 24: we should encourage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because it's your me me me day, isn't it, Josie?

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Speaker 23: What pressure If you've spent eighty nine let's call it ninety.

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Speaker 2: One of his friends has spent ninety thousand, and just

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Speaker 2: heard him say on the radio, nobody spent that much.

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Speaker 23: Now if it's not the happiest day of your life.

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Speaker 23: I mean, for me, my wedding was a blur. I

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Speaker 23: didn't eat anything.

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Speaker 2: I hated it. It was hard work.

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Speaker 23: And if you spent ninety k you'd be just sitting

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Speaker 23: there going, oh my god, I'm miserable. What happened to

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Speaker 23: the cost of living crisis?

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Speaker 2: Guys too right, I totally agree what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, thanks very much, really appreciate it. That's a huddle. Josepiguanni,

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Speaker 2: Thomas Scrimer seven away from six.

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather Duple.

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Speaker 2: Zeb Heather the reason that they start means testing at

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year, so that

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Speaker 2: the majority of voters can say, oh, that doesn't impact me,

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Speaker 2: and those rich people don't deserve it, the greedy buggers.

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Speaker 2: So it's pushed through. And Richard makes a very fair point, right,

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Speaker 2: So the means testing. If you're the finance minister and

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Speaker 2: you means test something at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: which is what we're going to talk to Nicola about about.

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Speaker 2: When she's with us after sex. You look like you're

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Speaker 2: doing something to save money, but most people don't get

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Speaker 2: annoyed at you. But you're not really saving money. And

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Speaker 2: I thought the whole exercise was to save money because

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Speaker 2: we're broke. But anyway, listen, on the case, we'll ask

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Speaker 2: her about it. On the case of Donald Trump, people

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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: are very angry at Donald today because Donald has said

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Speaker 2: that he's going to reopen Alcatraz, and that's like, that's

1441
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Speaker 2: blowing a lot of minds. But people are also very

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Speaker 2: really angry at Donald yesterday because he posted a picture

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Speaker 2: of himself on May the fourth as a Star Wars character,

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Speaker 2: and people didn't find that funny, and people were really

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Speaker 2: like apoplectic at him the other day because he posted

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Speaker 2: a picture of himself dressed up as a pope, didn't

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Speaker 2: he And people were really really angry, really angry at

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Speaker 2: him a few weeks ago because he posted this video

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Speaker 2: where he'd imagined what Gaza would look like if it

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Speaker 2: was a Trump resort. Do you get to see there's

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 2: a pattern here. People are getting AnGR at Donald Trump

1452
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: for what he's posting on and stop getting angry at him.

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01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: That's what he wants. There's literally no other explanation. There

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: is literally no other explanation for him posting a picture

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Speaker 2: of himself dressed as the pope, other than to wind

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Speaker 2: people up. So stop getting a wound up. He's living

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Speaker 2: rent free in your house. I'm talking to my husband

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Speaker 2: right now, so I'm sick of talking about Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and how angry he is at Donald Trump speaking, which

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Speaker 2: I tell you who's living rent free in my house.

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Speaker 2: In my head is Wellington City Council. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: seen what Wellington City Council has done with Dixon Street,

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Speaker 2: this is like a peculiarly Wellington story. Us talking about

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Speaker 2: how Wellington City Council and Wellington's mere on Wellington's road

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Speaker 2: works all the time. It's very it's very niche, but

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Speaker 2: it is somehow I enjoy it. Do you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: I enjoy it because it kind of is like an

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Speaker 2: emblem of what we shouldn't do. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you what Wellington has been doing with Dixon Street,

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Speaker 2: so that you can understand why these Numpties, why old

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Speaker 2: mate chief Numpty is not running for me or anymore.

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Speaker 2: Because this all explain it will get back to that

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Speaker 2: later on. And we're also going to speak to the

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Speaker 2: west Pac CEO, Katherine McGrath, because they've just posted a

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Speaker 2: little increase in their net profits. I know how happy

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Speaker 2: are you for Westpac right now? Nicola is with us.

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Speaker 11: Next you wear my head and I'm dreaming you'll blow.

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Speaker 4: Tell you where you can go.

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Speaker 1: Where business meets insight the business hours. It's with Heather

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Speaker 2: Evening. Coming up in the next hour, we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a chat to Westpac's CEO about the increase in profit.

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Speaker 2: Greg Smith of Devon Funds and Gavin Gray is with

1485
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Speaker 2: us out of the UK with that reform surprise result

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Speaker 2: last week. It's seven past six and with us now

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Speaker 2: is Nichola Willis the Finance minister? Hai Nikola? Hi Heather

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Speaker 2: now Niicola? Do you send any of your person your

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Speaker 2: emails to your Gmail account? Bony chance.

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Speaker 15: Look, I don't think so. To be honest, I don't

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Speaker 15: send many emails at all. I've got an incredible team

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Speaker 15: of people who do that for me. I tend to

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Speaker 15: send the odd text or what's that message? And that's

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Speaker 15: about it.

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Speaker 2: Really. How do you get away with not doing emails?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 15: I do them very rarely, and that's because I either

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Speaker 15: a briefing officials face to face saying could you get

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Speaker 15: me this? Could do that please? I'm meeting with people

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Speaker 15: face to face, or I'm talking to my team and saying, oh, look,

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Speaker 15: could you just make sure that that minister's aware of this?

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Speaker 15: Sometimes we do formal correspondents letters and the like, but

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Speaker 15: very rarely am I sitting at my keyboard writing an email.

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Speaker 2: So do you just have a person who you say,

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Speaker 2: can you please email Chris back and say to Chris, yep,

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Speaker 2: I'll be there for his announcement about blah blah on

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Speaker 2: that day.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's not so we don't so much communicate in

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Speaker 15: that way. So information comes to me in hard copy

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 15: from my age sees. My diary is there obviously in

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01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 15: my calendar. And then I have a lot of verbal briefings,

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 15: a lot of written briefings, a lot of discussions with

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 15: colleagues on a daily basis, face to face.

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01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: What about in your personal life? Don't you get like

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: your power companies are emailing you and saying, we've got

1516
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: to come around and fix the power box is Monday

1517
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. Okay, Oh sure.

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01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 15: I use a Gmail account for some of that stuff.

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01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 15: You know, the notices from school where child A has

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01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 15: been well behaved, your child be has been bad?

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: Do you wag or do you just not?

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01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 15: I occasionally have, especially if it's nice news, you just

1523
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 15: leave news.

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01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: Well.

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 15: Look, the way I think about it is, if something's urgent,

1526
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 15: you're going to get on the phone. If something's important

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 15: to the relationship, you're probably going to be face to

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 15: face or having a conversation. Email can be quite an

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01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 15: impersonal way of communicating. It's hard to get a sense

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 15: of tone. I do use it sometimes, but it's definitely

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 15: not my most common mode communica.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you're a Baller, You've described my best life. I'm

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: going to stop emailing henceforth and just say if it's

1534
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: good for the Finance minister, it's good for me. Now listen.

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 2: David Seymour, I loved his idea of cutting the ministerial portfolios.

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: He wants to get rid of the economic growth portfolio.

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01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: I would assume because it's not necessary, is it?

1539
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 13: Well?

1540
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 15: I think it is necessary. It's been very useful being

1541
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 15: able to take an overall view of the work happening

1542
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 15: across multiple portfolios to drive economic growth, to ensure we're

1543
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 15: prioritizing the right things driving it forward. Well, having a

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 15: specific portfolio dedicated to that has meant that I've had

1545
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 15: officials ensuring that we're engaging with businesses, that we are

1546
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 15: responding to their specific concerns that they're raising. And in fact,

1547
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 15: some of that then leads to policy ideas being put

1548
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 15: on the agenda that wouldn't otherwise be there. And look,

1549
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 15: there are always debates about do you integrate it all

1550
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 15: into one portfolio or have separate portfolios. In my case,

1551
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 15: Treasury provide me fiscal advice and economic advice and MB

1552
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 15: support me and the economic growth.

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01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: That'll arm you though, I mean, like so basically everybody

1554
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: in government should be aiming for economic growth. That's how

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: we're going to get more money into the country. The

1556
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: fact that you have to have it as a job

1557
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 2: title to make them think about it is kind of freaky,

1558
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1559
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 15: I agree everyone should, but there are always questions about

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Speaker 15: are we prioritizing the things that are going to most

1562
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 15: turn the dial because there are literally one hundred things

1563
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 15: every minister could do each day. So let's make sure

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 15: we're focusing on the things that are most important and

1565
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 15: take opportunities to be really clear about what that program is,

1566
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Speaker 15: whether we're on track, what the obstacles are and are found.

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 15: It's a useful way of driving activity.

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan says that you're going to means test the

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: government's key we save a contribution to cut people off

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Speaker 2: who earn above one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Is

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Speaker 2: it true?

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Speaker 15: He wrote that article off the back of a interview

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01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 15: I had with you last week, And what I pledge

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Speaker 15: to both him and will pledge to you now is

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 15: I am not going to play the rule and rule

1576
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 15: out game between now and Budget day, because what you

1577
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 15: can see is that anything I say do in that

1578
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 15: nature is going to be poured over. It's going to

1579
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 15: be raked over. But what I can tell you is

1580
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 15: that I have given Thomas a specific chunky saving that

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01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 15: we are making in the budget for him to run

1582
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Speaker 15: in your sister publication, the New Zealand Herald tomorrow morning.

1583
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 15: It accounts for a billion dollars worth of money over

1584
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Speaker 15: the next four years that will now be available for

1585
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 15: health and education services and other good things. And I

1586
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 15: think when New Zealanders read about that savings and I

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 15: should have, they'll say, good on you, very good doing

1588
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 15: this to shut out That's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: You're doing this because he's harping on about this means

1590
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: testing stuff, and you're like, just give him something to

1591
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: just satisfy him.

1592
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 15: Well, well, look, when people are agree not to play

1593
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 15: the rule in and rule out game, there can be

1594
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 15: all sorts of rewards. Here.

1595
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 2: She was, Hey, listen, how big is our structural deficit?

1596
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Speaker 15: Well, we will update that figure at the budget. The

1597
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 15: structural deficit, for those listening is the difference between what

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 15: we're earning in terms of revenue from tech and other

1599
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Speaker 15: sources and what we're spending in terms of the commitments

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Speaker 15: government has to funding things. And what you expect is

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Speaker 15: that when an economy is in a downturn, it's not

1602
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,440
Speaker 15: unusual for it to go into deficit. So a structural

1603
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 15: deficit is saying even if the economy tipped up, we

1604
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Speaker 15: still think that New Zealand would be spending more and

1605
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Speaker 15: that's well, that's the position the last Labor government left

1606
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Speaker 15: us in. And what I can tell you is we

1607
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 15: are making really good progress in reducing that structural deficit

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Speaker 15: in the budget and will update on that figure at

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Speaker 15: budget time.

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: Okay, so when do you think we will stop running

1611
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 2: a structural deficit?

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Speaker 15: Well, I will update that at budget time as well

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 15: as of previous can see an insight, yes, because as

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01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 15: I've said, we're going to have the box back into

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01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 15: balance with a very very lean surplus in twenty twenty nine,

1616
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 15: and that reflects the fact that in that year we'll

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Speaker 15: be earning enough to meet our arms spending commitments.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Have you seen the tertiary ed Education Commission warning

1619
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 2: about giving White Cuttle Uni that medical school.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I saw that in our article from the Otago

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01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 15: Daily Times, who are obviously big supporters of Otago University

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01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 15: and look, that's one set of issues that will be

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 15: in minister's minds alongside a series coming.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got any barrier to push here at all.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I really like Neil Quigley who runs the show,

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Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't think that you can give

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Speaker 2: it to Whitkatle University. They just are not up to it.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 15: Look, under the Coalition agreement we are a full cost

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Speaker 15: benefit analysis must be presented before Cabinet makes a decision

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Speaker 15: with respect to the way Kato Medical School, and ministers

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 15: are still considering advice from the Ministry of Health on

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 15: that proposal, and no decisions have been made.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea when this is actually gonna

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01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: happen because you're sure you're fast running out of time.

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01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 15: Oh, we're not running out of time. Those decisions will

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 15: be made.

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Speaker 3: In due course.

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: What this term? Yes? This year?

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: Is it in this budget.

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 11: Now?

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, we're getting into that game again. Look that there

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 15: will be announcements made about it this year here though.

1646
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Hey did you get an invitation to Adrian

1647
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: was leaving party?

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Speaker 6: No?

1649
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 15: I didn't know what I expect to.

1650
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: Has there been a cover up over his resignation.

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01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 15: No, I wouldn't describe it that way. He made a

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 15: decision to resign that was communicated publicly. Ultimately, his employment

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,440
Speaker 15: relationship is with the Reserve Bank Board and so for

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 15: it's for them to decide what it's appropriate to communicate

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Speaker 15: about that.

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're not actively withholding the reasons for him residing,

1657
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: like you don't know and you're not telling us that's

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Speaker 2: not happening.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right from my perspective, I was informed that

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Speaker 15: he had made the decision to resign.

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Speaker 2: O you and what plan next time Neil comes in?

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01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 2: Neil quickly from why Cuttle University comes in to talk

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: to you about money for the medical school? Can you

1664
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: ask him, tell him to put his hat on as

1665
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: the chair of the Reserve Bank and ask him why

1666
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 2: Adrian left? And then I can ask you.

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Speaker 15: You know, I think anyone speculating on that where whether

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 15: it's Nil or in any the Treasury Secretary or me

1669
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 15: or anyone else, we might have our interpretation. But ultimately

1670
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Speaker 15: the person who knows his reasons for himself is Adrian

1671
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 15: and he hesitates, well, I think that how he articulated

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 15: that is for him, and the fact that he has

1673
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 15: chosen not to go into detail about that makes it

1674
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 15: pretty challenging for any of us to put words in

1675
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 15: his mouth why, because we would be speculating and his

1676
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 15: reasons for his resignation are ultimately.

1677
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: Seriously telling Menifo that what he did was he was like,

1678
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: I quit and he didn't say why. He didn't give

1679
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: you guys any reason why.

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Speaker 15: Well, I anticipate, well, I know that there were discussions

1681
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 15: with the Reserve Bank Board about that, but as of seed,

1682
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 15: that is for the Reserve Bank bored to communicate about.

1683
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 15: It's not for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Nicola, thank you very much, really appreciate it

1685
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Speaker 2: very much, looking forward to the information you've given out.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan. That's Nichola Willis, Finance Minister, seventeen past six.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we've said goodbye to summer, right, but that doesn't

1690
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Speaker 2: mean we also have to say goodbye to the refreshing

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Speaker 2: flavors that summer brings. Because Bunderberg, the legendary brewers of

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Speaker 2: the iconic Bunderberg ginger beer, are coming out with a

1693
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Speaker 2: brand new low sugar range. It's called Refreshingly LIGHTD and

1694
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: it's a sparkling drink range. And it comes in three

1695
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: flavor combos which sounds so delicious, Raspberry and pomegranate, apple

1696
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 2: and lye cheek, lemon and watermelon. And these things are

1697
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Speaker 2: low on sugar, got no artificial sweeteners, flavors or colors

1698
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Speaker 2: made from real fruit, and they've only got twenty calories

1699
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: per can, which is almost nothing, right. I mean, what's

1700
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: interesting also is that this new range has been craft

1701
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: brewed for three days now. That sounds like a long time,

1702
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 2: but it actually isn't. BEEAs is what you pretty much

1703
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: need to lock in all those incredible flavors, and you

1704
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: would not expect anything lesse from Bunderberg. They care about

1705
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: making stuff that tastes good. It's as simple as that.

1706
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: So to taste Bunderberg's new Refreshingly Light Sparkling Drink range,

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Speaker 2: head along to most major supermarkets.

1708
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: Now together do for Sea Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: That tells you what kind of a guy Adrian orwas

1711
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: quits without notice and has the gall to come back

1712
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: for a leaving party. I'll tell you what. Okay, The

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union put out a press release about it today,

1714
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 2: which is why I was asking Nicola if there was

1715
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: a cover up, because they said what sticks in the

1716
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: throat is the lack of total lack of transparency around

1717
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 2: Adrian Or's exit. He bloated the Reserve Bank from two

1718
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five to six hundred and sixty staff.

1719
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: He let inflation run wild. He torched eleven billion dollars

1720
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: through his reckless money sprinting money printing spree, which is

1721
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 2: enough to build four duned in hospitals. His extreme capital

1722
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: rules spike mortgage costs, adding nearly four thousand dollars a

1723
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Speaker 2: year to a one million dollar home loan. And when

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Speaker 2: inflationally fine inflation finally fell, he snoozed through the signal.

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Speaker 2: Now he's slipped back out out the back door with

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Speaker 2: a tray of sausage rolls and no account ability. Nicola

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Speaker 2: will listen to the Reserve Bank need to come clean. Key,

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 2: weis deserve better than muffins and a cover up. Do

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01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm I'm fast coming to the conclusion

1730
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Speaker 2: that one of two things happened. Either Adrian really did

1731
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Speaker 2: just pack a tant tantrum and send one of those

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Speaker 2: emails that Nicola doesn't respond to just to I quit

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Speaker 2: and left, and they don't know why he quit, or

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Speaker 2: he did tell them why he quit, but they just

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it because it's embarrassing. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know which of the two it is. So

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Speaker 2: next time Neil Quickly's on the show, will ask him.

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Speaker 2: Ay he's a Reserve Bank chair by the way, six

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Now, let's get an update from the markets today.

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Speaker 2: Greg Smith from Devin Funds is with us. Hey Greg, Hey, Hey, good,

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: it's very good to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: The key we market had a good session. It's up

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01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: zero point eight percent. What's been driving this optimism?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I mean, sort of running on the

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01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 8: back of the optimism in the US. I mean what

1747
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 8: trade ward, the S and pop five under, I mean

1748
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 8: that's clawed back or its losses since Liberation Day and

1749
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 8: it's actually been on a bit of a bit of

1750
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 8: a record run. So I suppose you invests is a

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01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 8: sort of pricing in. Yeah, the worst case scenario that

1752
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 8: you know, when you produce that border a few weeks

1753
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 8: back not not happening. So you know, we've got hundreds

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01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 8: of deals evidently coming in the next sort of two months,

1755
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Speaker 8: and I suppose what we're really waiting on is some

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 8: sort of meeting of the minds between China and the US.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, it still seems to be a bit of

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 8: cat and mouse. You know, there's been conciliatory tones, there's

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 8: been exemptions. China sit on Friday, that's sort of ready

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 8: for talks. Trump said over the weekend that he's not

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01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 8: going to speak to Beijing this week. So I think

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01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 8: that's what investors sort of looking for that you know,

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 8: that's going to be better than fed from that regard.

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01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 8: So yeah, the US market's sort of pushing high. I mean,

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Speaker 8: the New Zealand market didn't fall as most as much

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 8: as most anyway, but it's yes, sort of sort of

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 8: clawing things back, as you mean, zero point eight percent.

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Speaker 5: We've got Fish and Parkle.

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Speaker 8: We know one of our exporters, I suppose most in

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Speaker 8: the frame with respect to terrorists, but that's sort of

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Speaker 8: in compliance of this agreement between US, Canada and Mexico

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 8: and has a lot of its I suppose operations in Mexico,

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01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 8: which supplies the US. And then we've got Mainfraid as well,

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Speaker 8: and that's been sort of wearing a bit of toil

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 8: from the tariff side of things. But yeah, seventy five

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 8: percent of earning of earnings come from Australia New Zealand,

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 8: so use is a bit of relevant. I mean, it's

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Speaker 8: only around about eight percent of earnings. So that had

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01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 8: a great down Friday, up twelve percent on its training update.

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Speaker 8: It's up again today as well, by two point four percent.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of Trump and there's tariffs on

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Speaker 2: foreign made movies? What impact will that have?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 8: I had the whole tariff war has been a bit

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Speaker 8: of a soap opera, hasn't it. I Mean that's been

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Speaker 8: sort of lurching from one drama to another, and now

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Speaker 8: it actually has Hollywood. So I've got potentially one hundred

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Speaker 8: percent tariff on movies not made in America. He says

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Speaker 8: he wants to stop the slow death of Hollywood. I

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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 8: suppose as usual, and as we've become accustomed to with

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Speaker 8: Trump and all things on the trade front, been quite

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Speaker 8: light on detail. So is it going to apply to

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Speaker 8: just movie showing in cinemas? Is it going to apply

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01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 8: to things on streaming as well? But yeah, it's certainly

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01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 8: potentially going to have an impact. Obviously, Chris like someone

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01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 8: was speaking today. But you know, Lord of the rings

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01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 8: made in New Zealand or movies made in Australia, you know,

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Speaker 8: dark and be potentially caught. So yeah, I'm not going

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Speaker 8: to be great for sort of the film industries abroad.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, pretty pretty amazing. We've sort of no stone

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Speaker 8: untouched with respect to the Tower Forum. We have to

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01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 8: sort of see where this all goes. But yeah, I

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01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 8: just go as suppose to the soaproper that has been

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Speaker 8: the trade war over the past five weeks or so.

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Speaker 2: Lord, it will be a soaproper if it didn't cost

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Speaker 2: us so much. Greg, Thank you so much, appreciated you

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: awsome at Gregsmith of Devon Funds.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: One News has done the story in eric I'll run

1810
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: you through it shortly twenty four past six.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with header Dupericllen and theirs, Insurance and investments,

1813
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,520
Speaker 1: grew your wealth, Protect your future news dogs.

1814
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Speaker 2: V Right here we go. One news story on Erica

1815
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: Stanford with the Gmail. So what she's been doing is

1816
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: she's been sending herself some ministerial documents, right, and they're

1817
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: like and in air quotes. Worst example of it is

1818
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: some budget documents from last year, so it's not even

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Speaker 2: of this year story. It's the last year Tory and

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Speaker 2: what it was was the visa changes they were going

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Speaker 2: to make. So it's hardly like, you know, like state

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: secret stuff. Technically is a secret involving the state, but

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01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, it's not like take

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Speaker 2: you out and put you up against the wall and

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Speaker 2: give you the firing squad over this one, is it?

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Speaker 2: And yes, it has come out through the Official Information

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Speaker 2: Act requests as we suggested it might have been. And

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Speaker 2: what she's also been doing is she's been using her

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Speaker 2: Gmail account and then she's been putting her business signature

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01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: on it, you know, like Eric Stanford, Minister for blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah whatever. It's the breach of the Cabinet Manual

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Speaker 2: that's the problem here, which means that the g and

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Speaker 2: it's because the gmails are more easily hacked. And she

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Speaker 2: said this, she sometimes forwards emails to herself so she

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Speaker 2: can print briefings while working away from Parliament, but Parliamentary

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Speaker 2: Service has now installed her Electorate Office printer on the

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Speaker 2: Parliamentary network. I mean, have you ever heard of anything

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01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 2: more third world than that. We've had a minister have

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Speaker 2: to use Gmail because we haven't actually installed the printer

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Speaker 2: on the Parliamentary network. Nobody got bothered doing that. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: at least that's fixed now. West Pack's with us after

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01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: the news, crunching.

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen

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01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: with the Business hour and mass insurance and investments, grow

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01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future, these talks that'd be.

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Speaker 22: Seven true.

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Speaker 2: Nobody right getting grays with us out of the UK shortly.

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Speaker 2: And also I need to talk to you about something

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: Brian Roach has said. You're gonna love it. If it's

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: the public sector just makes you do that, you're gonna

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: love what he said. In New Zealand, by the way,

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01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I showed off its first retrofitted Dreamliner today. This one's

1853
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: spent something like, goodness me, it felt like six months

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01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 2: or something sitting in somewhere that wasn't New Zealand getting

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01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 2: fitted out, maybe Singapore or something. Anyway, who cares. It's

1856
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: come back and it's good to go. In economy, the

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: screens of fifty percent bigger, which is exciting. They've got

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01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: apparently clever little snack trays, which I frankly don't care about.

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01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: I just care about the snack, So yay for you,

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01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 2: but give me the snack and an economy stretch option

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Speaker 2: to pay a little bit more of his stretch eLEGS

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. In business Premier yere, the seats

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01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: have got that. They don't do the hering bone anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's got a new angle or something new layout, so

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01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: you get extra privacy, extra space. You've got sliding privacy screens,

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Speaker 2: got wireless charging. They can be and this is a

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01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 2: cool thing, can be upgraded to a luxe option, so

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01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: you have a full closing door and a larger bed

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01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 2: and space for two people to eat. So that's kind

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Speaker 2: of fancy, isn't it. Tickets go on sale on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: If you're like one of those airline freaks, and I

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Speaker 2: know at least too, so there are lots of them

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Speaker 2: out there. If I know too, seats will go on

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01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 2: sale on Wednesday. So for the airline freaks can fly

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,879
Speaker 2: on this thing. And the first journey is Brisbane nineteenth

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01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: of May, and by the end of next year all

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 2: of the Boeing seven eight sevens and whatever planes are

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01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 2: going to be all done in the same way, so

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Speaker 2: that you go twenty two away from seven. Now west

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 2: pax a net profit has jumped ten percent for the

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01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 2: first half of the year for the company's new New

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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 2: Zealand arm. The interest rates have been coming down, obviously,

1883
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 2: but the bank's margins on interest rates have gone up lightly,

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01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: up zero point one six percent compared to the same

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Speaker 2: period last year. In Australia the margins actually declined. Westpac

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Speaker 2: CEO is Katherine mcgrahey. Catherine Hi here, That great to

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Speaker 2: be back, Hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: For your time.

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Speaker 2: What's driving your profit up?

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Speaker 10: So if you look at it versus the previous period, yes,

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01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 10: it has gone up about ten percent in that period

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Speaker 10: of time, But if you look at it over the

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Speaker 10: past six months, our net profit has actually gone down

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 10: by nine percent and that's reflarching. Revenues have been flat,

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Speaker 10: particularly with strong competition in the deposit market. Our costs

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Speaker 10: have gone up and impairment has gone up as well.

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Speaker 2: And so what's going on here with the margins rising

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand but going down in Australia. Why is that.

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Speaker 11: So?

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Speaker 10: One is it's important to compare apples with apples. The

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 10: Australian business has a big international component to it, which

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01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 10: we don't have here. And so if I look at

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01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 10: the relevant parts of the Australian business to New Zealand,

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 10: one our net interest margin is lower and then the

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 10: reason that have edged up about three points over the

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01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 10: past sax months, we've seen some better funding decisions have

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Speaker 10: been taken, which has been really helpful.

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Speaker 2: Interested in the faith that you've called out the social

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01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: media companies on scams, what's what's got you upset there?

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Speaker 10: One of the things I'd love to see them do

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Speaker 10: is to make sure that when they take advertising dollars

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Speaker 10: for financial services ads, that they check that those ads

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 10: are for genuine financial services providers. We know that investment

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Speaker 10: scams are the ones that hurt keep mees the most

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Speaker 10: for an amount of money, and so we'd love them

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Speaker 10: to use their great technology to verify that they're taking

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Speaker 10: money from people who are actually financial services organizations.

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Speaker 2: They're under no obligation to do that, are they.

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 10: But if I can go through a piece of break

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Speaker 10: to try and identify that a payment that you intend

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Speaker 10: to make isn't really one that you want to make,

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Speaker 10: which is what we're doing in the New Zealand Banking industry.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's a hard ass to say that

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Speaker 10: media platforms should make sure that they verify that who

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Speaker 10: they're taking money from are advertising actually for financial services,

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Speaker 10: not fake ads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you, I mean I would say that that's because

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Speaker 2: you've been pressured into it publicly, right, you actually care

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Speaker 2: about what your customers think. They don't care, they have

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Speaker 2: and they have no real there's no real impetus, right that.

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Speaker 2: There's what I mean, what does it matter if we

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Speaker 2: think badly of them? We keep on using them, right,

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Speaker 2: So there's nothing to there's nothing really to pressure them

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Speaker 2: into this position, is there.

1936
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Speaker 10: Well, I think the government is starting to do a

1937
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 10: good job at putting that pressure on and it's been

1938
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Speaker 10: really good to see that one of those platforms has

1939
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Speaker 10: done that. And so our witch reagment is that Google

1940
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 10: has done that and they are verifying all ads. We

1941
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,480
Speaker 10: would think that was great if all of those technology

1942
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 10: platforms demonstrate the same social responsibility to help people stop

1943
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Speaker 10: being scammed.

1944
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, I agree with you. Now, listen, when are

1945
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: you guys going to be paying that penalty post the

1946
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 2: court case?

1947
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Speaker 10: So that will be in the process. Now that's from

1948
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 10: a very historic issue, not good when we offered something

1949
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 10: and we couldn't follow through with it in terms of

1950
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 10: our system. But we've worked very closely with the Financial

1951
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 10: Markets Authority. All of those customers have had any money

1952
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 10: paid back, and it's not a forward looking issue from

1953
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Speaker 10: our perspective.

1954
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Speaker 2: Cool Catherine, Thank you so much for your time. Appreciated.

1955
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Speaker 2: Katherine mcgras's CEO of Westpac nineteen away from seven. Okay,

1956
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Speaker 2: So you know how I feel about the public sector,

1957
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of kiwis a lot

1958
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: of taxpayers in New Zealand, around the Western world, in

1959
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: the English speaking world, we all get in democracies. We

1960
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 2: all feel like this about the public sector. The public

1961
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 2: spector is just giant sponge for your money and then

1962
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 2: it just it just kind of fritzes it away and

1963
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Speaker 2: it's just frustrating, right, So, knowing that that's how we feel.

1964
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Speaker 2: I was watching Brian Roach yesterday, he's the new public

1965
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: sector boss, by the way. I was watching him yesterday

1966
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: on Q and A, and I took some heart from

1967
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: it because he says he wants the public sector to

1968
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Speaker 2: provide better value for money for taxpayers, and everybody says that, right,

1969
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: But what he wants to tax the public sector to

1970
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: do is that he wants the bosses to be prepared

1971
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: to take more risks because they play things safe all

1972
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 2: the time. He wants them to take more risks like

1973
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 2: they do in the private sector.

1974
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,480
Speaker 13: I would like, you know, the whole concept of curiosity

1975
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 13: to become an article of faith in the new salem

1976
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 13: of public service. We should always be questioning why we

1977
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 13: do it and whether we could do it better. That's

1978
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Speaker 13: what the private sector does. I can't see why the

1979
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 13: public sector can't adopt that.

1980
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Speaker 3: Right.

1981
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: If the private sector can do it, then the public

1982
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: sector should do it. How much like how many times

1983
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 2: have you thought that yourself if you were just doing

1984
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: if there was a private company who was doing this,

1985
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 2: they would do a much better job than you people

1986
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: sitting there on your fat salaries and not worrying about

1987
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 2: the outcomes.

1988
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1989
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Speaker 2: So I was so heartened to hear him say that,

1990
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Obviously saying it and then getting it done at two

1991
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: different things. Because he can say it and that can

1992
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: be his intent, but he is still the boss of

1993
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: sixty thousand odd core public sector workers, and you still

1994
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 2: have to change. This is a mindset that has been

1995
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 2: ingrained in them for decades and decades and decades, and

1996
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: he has to somehow turn that around. So I'm going

1997
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: to temper my expectations. But at least credit to him

1998
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: for saying it out loud, because that's the first step.

1999
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Speaker 1: Right.

2000
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 2: You have to acknowledge the problem, which he's done. You

2001
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: have to want to change it, which he's done. Now

2002
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: you just have to change it. So just you know,

2003
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: like the hardest bit left, but at least we're headed

2004
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Seventeen away from seven.

2005
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all

2006
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mare's

2007
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

2008
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 3: Please talks at me.

2009
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with me? Now, Hey Gavin, Hi,

2010
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 2: what do we know about this terrorism plot that's been foiled?

2011
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, it looks like two different plots because the eight

2012
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 9: who are arrested are being told that the one group

2013
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 9: of five arrested around England, another group of three around London,

2014
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 9: two separate police investigations, they're saying. But what we do

2015
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 9: know is that seven of the age arrested are Iranian.

2016
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 9: There's still being question they've been held overnight, they've been

2017
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 9: questioned by counter terrorism investigators and if its arrests under

2018
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 9: the counter Terrorism Command, then they could spend a fortnight

2019
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,560
Speaker 9: before either being released or charged with something. So the

2020
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 9: police have got plenty of time on this. What's been

2021
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 9: really interesting though about the arrests, apart from the fact

2022
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 9: that they are Iranian and we do know that. Just

2023
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 9: a couple of years back, the head of MI five

2024
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 9: said that since twenty twenty two they had responded. The

2025
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 9: security services had responded to twenty plots backed by Iran

2026
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Speaker 9: whiched or presented potentially lethal threats to British citizens, and

2027
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 9: so the threat from Iran ever growing, and perhaps this

2028
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 9: highlights this, but the very fact these arrests were in daylight,

2029
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 9: the very fact that they were done, in one case,

2030
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 9: in front of lots of people in a big town

2031
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 9: center busy with shoppers, shows that obviously they thought time

2032
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 9: is of the essence, that they needed to act now

2033
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 9: to make the arrests before perhaps those plots were enacted,

2034
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 9: but we simply don't know yet.

2035
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Speaker 3: We're waiting for more details.

2036
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 2: Kevin, Can we say this is it for Harry? They're

2037
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: not going to let him back into the royal fold.

2038
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Speaker 2: If he carries on like this, are they No.

2039
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 9: I think it's a really odd way giving an interview

2040
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 9: to talk about how disappointed you are that you've lost

2041
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 9: a court case, only to then start talking about how

2042
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 9: your father, the King, Charles the third doesn't talk to you,

2043
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 9: and how frankly you know the royals he would forgive

2044
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 9: them for various misdemeanors in the past, and is said

2045
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 9: that the whole security issue that he's been trying to overturn,

2046
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 9: which is a downturn in his security level when he

2047
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 9: comes back to the UK, he said, describes that as

2048
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 9: a security sort of stitch up, an establishment stitch up.

2049
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 9: So no, this is not the way to endear yourself

2050
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 9: to the rest of your family, and at times he

2051
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 9: does seem I don't know, slightly desperate in the interview

2052
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 9: and certainly very sad either way. I mean, we're all

2053
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 9: used to family disputes, but play it out in front

2054
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 9: of the world's media, let alone the world's people is

2055
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 9: certainly not the best way of going and we are

2056
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 9: not therefore expecting him at the v Day commemorations taking

2057
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 9: part today and across this week.

2058
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is a lot of people are

2059
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 2: listening that particular line where he said, I don't know

2060
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: how much longer my father has lived. People are taking

2061
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: us some sort of an insight into the king's diagnose,

2062
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 2: should we.

2063
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 9: I think it's very interesting because all the time, whenever

2064
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 9: I get in touch with any of the media press offices,

2065
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 9: they're always saying, oh, no, the treatment's going really well,

2066
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 9: were really pleased, he's responding terribly well, doctors are happy

2067
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 9: with him, etc. So the fact that his own son

2068
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 9: is saying I don't know how much longer he's got

2069
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 9: is a very odd turn of phrase to use if

2070
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 9: what we're hearing about the doctors is correct. So it

2071
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 9: does make you doubt that. But at the same time,

2072
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 9: do you know what, I'm not entirely sure how much

2073
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 9: Prince Harry knows about his father's health. Evidently, if they're

2074
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 9: not talking and there are very few members of the

2075
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 9: all family probably left talking too, Prince Harry probably with

2076
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 9: the exception of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew's children,

2077
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 9: then I'm not quite sure how much detail he would

2078
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 9: know about it. But either way, it does perhaps make

2079
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 9: you think, oh, actually, perhaps this treatment isn't going the way.

2080
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 2: We thought, yeah, totally, Hey Gavin, thank you very much,

2081
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray are UK corresponding? Do you know I thought

2082
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 2: about that? I thought, well, how much do you actually know?

2083
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 2: But then think about your family. I don't know about you,

2084
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: but literally all of us children know this that if

2085
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 2: we tell my mum anything and then tell her not

2086
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 2: to tell the other one, she will tell the other one,

2087
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 2: because like that's how we can sometimes get messages to

2088
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: each other if we can't be bothered phone each other.

2089
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm just come, bum, don't tell Ian this, but blah

2090
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 2: blah blah, And then next minute Ian calls me. I'm like, oh, yeah,

2091
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 2: she did, tod a, she told you. He's like, yeah,

2092
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 2: she did.

2093
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 11: So.

2094
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 2: I just feel like in the Royal family, if King

2095
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: Charles is to her if the diagnosis is terminal, they're

2096
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about it, aren't they and be like,

2097
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 2: don't tell anybody. But then somebody will have told Beatrice

2098
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: and Eugenie and then be in triest in. Eugenie will

2099
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 2: tell Hazz because they're still talking to him, so he

2100
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 2: will know. He will know more than than they think

2101
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 2: he knows. Maybe, but God only knows why he said

2102
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: that anyways, because he's dumb. This is the thing. It's

2103
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: a harsh truth. Some people are hot, some people are not,

2104
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 2: some people are clever, some people are dumb. And it

2105
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 2: just is the way the cookie crumbles. Now, Wellington, so

2106
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: I meant to tell you about Wellington. So what's happened

2107
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 2: is if you've been down to Wellington recently, or if

2108
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: you live in Wellington, you'll know this Dixon Street, which

2109
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 2: is kind of like Courtney Place, carries on Courtney Place,

2110
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: runs away from the Embassy Theater and then it splits

2111
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 2: into Dixon in Manners right. And Dixon Street used to

2112
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 2: be fantastic, a little place to go. But then the

2113
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 2: council decided, Lord, look that's doing too well. Let's ruin it.

2114
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: So they took away all the car parks down all

2115
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: like many of the car pucks, most of the car

2116
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 2: pucks don't know who, don't really care, and they put

2117
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: all of it like this board walk situation, and with

2118
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 2: lots of planter boxes and stuff. They were really excited

2119
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 2: about it. That's awesome, it's really great. Two and a

2120
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 2: half years ago, look at a trumpeted it. Look at

2121
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: what we've done. It looks modern and doesn't it looks

2122
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 2: like modern because there are no cars here type thing. Anyway,

2123
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 2: two and a half years later, we now now find

2124
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: out it's degrading. They're now going to have to find

2125
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 2: something to replace it with. But the good news is

2126
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 2: it was never permanent, wasn't it Because everybody thought it

2127
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 2: was permanent. No, no, says the council. No no, it

2128
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 2: was temporary. It was only ever temporary, and they were

2129
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 2: just putting it there until they could do you know,

2130
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: Tory's big upgrade with the Golden Mile. Now, look, we'll

2131
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 2: have to take them at their word for it that

2132
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: it was only temporary, In which case, why the hell

2133
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 2: did they spend six hundred thousand dollars on a temporary situation?

2134
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: Why did they do that? Six hundred thousand dollars is

2135
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: a lot of money to be spending on planter boxes

2136
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: and bits of wood to cover up the car parks

2137
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 2: if you're planning to dig it all up and do

2138
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: it properly at some stage six have they lost leave

2139
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 2: of their senses? Have they forgotten? Are they so rich

2140
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 2: at the Wellington City Council they've forgotten what six hundred

2141
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 2: thousand dollars can buy you. I mean, look, you know,

2142
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: in the outer outer suburbs of Wellington somewhere you can

2143
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 2: buy a house for six hundred thousand dollars. Parts of

2144
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 2: rural New Zealand, you can buy a nice house for

2145
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot of money to

2146
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: be blowing on a temporary Somebody needs to talk to

2147
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 2: them about this. This is why Toy is losing her

2148
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 2: job because she's frit as away. The frit is away,

2149
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Speaker 2: The cats right sorted out Wellington seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Toople see allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, it was permanent. I couldn't hate those dipsticks more.

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, Heather, they ruined Dixon Street. The planter

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Speaker 2: boxes are full of dead, ugly plants. Heather. They lost

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Speaker 2: the plot. In Newtown we have permanent cycle ways with

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Speaker 2: temporary material. So now we have permanently closed businesses and

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Speaker 2: not one cyclist holding up the economy in Newtown. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there you go, just yay for Wellington. Now, speaking of Wellington,

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Speaker 2: I reckon this is the There are sometimes when you

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Speaker 2: read the newspapers, you read a story and you go, hey,

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Speaker 2: what and that I have one of those today professional

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Speaker 2: escapes conviction for filming colleagues on the toilet. I thought,

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Speaker 2: got to read this. What happened? Thirty seven year old

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Speaker 2: Wellington professional has been busted by his workplace putting the

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Speaker 2: camera in the toilet, right, it was a motion sensor

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Speaker 2: camera and he was filming his colleagues on two separate

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Speaker 2: occasions going to the toot and he's somehow ended up

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Speaker 2: in front of a judge or has got charged obviously

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Speaker 2: because you'd have to be charged this weird thing to do.

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Speaker 2: And he told the judge that the reason he did

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Speaker 2: it was so that he could get fired, and the

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Speaker 2: judge said it seemed implausible, but he accepted the explanation

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Speaker 2: after reading reports by a psychologist and a counselor. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: maybe the psychologist and the counselor knows, and the judge

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Speaker 2: knows something we don't know. Maybe there's some really awesome

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Speaker 2: explanation for why he would do that, But surely there

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Speaker 2: are easier ways to get fired than filming your toilet,

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Speaker 2: your colleagues on the toilet, don't you think? Like I

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Speaker 2: just feel like if I was the judge, if I

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Speaker 2: was the judge, I would have gone byes and here's

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Speaker 2: your sentence as.

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Speaker 19: How hard is it to write a resignation letter? Yeah,

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Speaker 19: I think i'd probably do that before.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why don't you just punch your colleague? That's

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Speaker 2: an easier way to get fired again.

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Speaker 19: I feel like the resignation leader should probably be plan A.

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Speaker 19: We're gonna go with Shane Walker Coasty Girl to play

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Speaker 19: us out tonight. He is going on tour along with

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Speaker 19: te where He and Hoddy Shaw. The three of them

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Speaker 19: have had the top three songs in the New Zealand

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Speaker 19: chart until recently, so they're doing a bunch of shows

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Speaker 19: around the country in June and August. Unfortunately for them,

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Speaker 19: Lord released the song and then that's popped up in

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Speaker 19: the charts this week, so none of them have the

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Speaker 19: number one song anymore and won't for a little while probably,

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Speaker 19: but they'll be back in there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, enjoy and we will see tomorrow and New still

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Speaker 2: said by.

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Speaker 3: Thirty that's so hard costy half costy.

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