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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spin to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather due for the Elan Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: Jacinda has said no to the COVID inquiry. We'll have

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Speaker 2: a chat to Senior National MP Chris Bishop about that.

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Speaker 2: Former Speaker David Carter on what just happened in Parliament

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Speaker 2: today and has Erica removed Maori words from kids reading

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Speaker 2: books for good reason or not?

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Speaker 3: Heather do for Sea Ellen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can't blame you if your assessment of

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Speaker 2: Parliament today is that it's become a circus, because what

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Speaker 2: happened today is kind of hard to defend or we

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Speaker 2: even explain. Chloe was kicked out. Brownley suspended her for

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Speaker 2: a week. All of the government parties voted for that punishment,

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Speaker 2: and that includes New Zealand. First before Winston Peters then

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Speaker 2: got up to tell Jerry Brownie that the punishment wasn't

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Speaker 2: then Debbie got up and said the C word again.

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Speaker 2: Now Chloe did actually break the rules. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is another one of those seemingly arbitrary or hard to

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Speaker 2: explain rules in Parliament that MPs can't accuse each other

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Speaker 2: of being cowards. Nick Smith did it in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and three. He accused MPs of not across the House

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Speaker 2: of not having the spine to debate a vote. He

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Speaker 2: withdrew and apologized. Steve Chadwick did it in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and seven. She accused the opposition of being absolutely gutless

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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen quite famously when he yelled at labor

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Speaker 2: away with it and actually probably shouldn't have. So Chlobe

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Speaker 2: did break the rules. But then Debbie got up and

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Speaker 2: said the sea word and she didn't break the rules.

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Speaker 2: So explain that. How is accusing other MPs of being

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Speaker 2: spineless worse than dropping the sea bomb in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives. I mean, sure one is aimed at someone,

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Speaker 2: the other one is just a swear word that's been dropped.

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Speaker 2: But when you get into explaining that level of nuance

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Speaker 2: is Jerry brownly all of a sudden, the tough cop.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the guy who was wringing his

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Speaker 2: hands over the Maldi Party getting kicked out of Parliament

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Speaker 2: for three weeks for the hucker in David Seymour's face,

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Speaker 2: and for refusing to turn up to the Privileges Committee,

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Speaker 2: and for then leaking the recommended punishment from the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 2: But when Chloe says basically the same thing that John

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Speaker 2: Key once said without punishment, Jerry comes down on her

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Speaker 2: like a ton of bricks. Frankly, none of this makes

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Speaker 2: sense anymore. I mean it does on a level of

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Speaker 2: detail and minutia, sure, but explaining it to a normal

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Speaker 2: person no sense whatsoever. But guess who's loving this. Chloe's

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Speaker 2: loving this because Chloe's learned from Tapasimardi and the Hucker

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Speaker 2: that there's one sure fire away to get attention, and

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Speaker 2: that's to break the rules of Parliament and not be sorry.

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Speaker 2: What a circus.

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Speaker 3: Heather doups the al.

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Speaker 2: Don't you win? Nineteen is the text number, As I said,

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Speaker 2: David Carter with us after five o'clock on that Also,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run you through everything so you're completely

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Speaker 2: up to speed before we get to David Now on

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Speaker 2: another matter, there is a growing chorus of Auckland voices

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Speaker 2: who are calling for more action to help Auckland's economy

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Speaker 2: thrive again. Simon Bridges from the Chamber of Commerce is

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Speaker 2: called for corporate tax cut. Mayor Wayne Brown has now

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Speaker 2: renewed calls for a bed tax. Viv Back from Heart

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Speaker 2: of the City is with us on this, haybiv Viv,

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Speaker 2: I like, well, sorry for stuffing up. You know what

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Speaker 2: a start. Hey, listen, do you agree with these guys

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Speaker 2: that there is not enough help at the moment for Auckland.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do absolutely, And I think the operative word

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Speaker 4: you just said then is action and I think speed

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Speaker 4: because things do tend to go round and round of it.

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Speaker 4: And you look at that bed tax. If the government

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Speaker 4: doesn't like it, what there needs to be is discussion

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Speaker 4: around what are the alternatives so that we actually can

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Speaker 2: So what's your preference. Is it for a corporate tax

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Speaker 4: Well, tax cuts are sort of a little bit out

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Speaker 4: of our organizational field, but the reality is what we

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Speaker 4: with it. America's cup was a great example, totally missed opportunity,

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Speaker 2: So what do you think is going wrong? Do the

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it can't all go back there. But

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Speaker 4: We've had all the right people here working together and

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Speaker 4: we've had a significant reduction in crime. We met Minister's

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Speaker 4: Bishop and Brown last week and said we need the

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Speaker 4: same level of ministerial support to deal with the social issues. Oh,

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Speaker 4: that is troubling a lot of our businesses and many others,

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Speaker 2: Right, and so who would be the right minister? Who's

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Speaker 4: Actually, on social issues it's cross agency. Mental health has

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Speaker 4: been missing an action. We need mental health, we need housing.

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Speaker 4: So we've got Minister Bishop's attention, Minister Brown, and also

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Speaker 4: we do need Louise Upstein because at the end of

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Speaker 4: social development issue. So it's a cross agency approach. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they do not realize in other

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Speaker 4: I heard the Prime Minister say this afternoon. Apparently he

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Speaker 4: You cannot seriously think that you're going to open up

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Speaker 4: they need to work with us locally and not leave

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Speaker 4: the small business voice out.

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Speaker 2: It's critical to this.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to go to a city without retail

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Speaker 2: And they wonder why the voter turnout is poor. I

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Speaker 2: couldn't believe the sea bomb. Tell you what we could?

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Speaker 2: I was a little bit disappointed in Chloe. I thought,

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Speaker 2: But when that sea bomb dropped, everybody looked up and went,

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Speaker 2: is important news. The second week of the public hearings

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Speaker 2: of the COVID Committee has been canceled because Jacinda and

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Speaker 2: Grant and Chippy and I shall have as I told

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Speaker 2: you all said no, they're not going to give evidence publicly.

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Speaker 2: They said they've already given written comment and they reckon

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Speaker 2: performative rather than informative, which is unbelievably ironic coming from

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Speaker 2: the Queen of performance, Jacinda. But you know, maybe she's

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Speaker 2: had enough of it for a lifetime because I have. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: they're obviously cowards. They're happy to turn up to run

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Speaker 2: I want to front up and answer the questions. Very disappointing,

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Speaker 2: I say to Chris Bishop about that after five and

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Speaker 2: Barrysoba with his thoughts in half an hour's time. At

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Speaker 2: Hither as part of my work, I've been to every

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Speaker 2: Australian capital this year, plus London, Bulldau and a couple

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Speaker 2: Auckland CBD is dead and we need help, and we

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Speaker 5: Isn't death beyond help?

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Speaker 6: We have dead?

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Speaker 7: What are they going to do?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 2: You've forgotten the story of Lazarus and Jesus. Actually, for

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Speaker 2: that matter, you can come back.

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Speaker 5: I didn't forget that.

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Speaker 2: It's possible to come back, but I just don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Tomighty Martin Hay.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well he's got another year.

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Speaker 2: Only a year.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of this. Only a year,

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Speaker 5: you'd think more. I was talking with one of my

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Speaker 5: colleagues at the Herold, Alex Powell. He seems to think

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Speaker 5: he wonders with Metcalf how long hell actually lasts? And

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Speaker 5: this might be a bit of a let's just wait

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Speaker 5: and see, because of course, as a young man who

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Speaker 5: has had an incredible career so far, I expect to

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Speaker 5: be quite in demand, so maybe they're just covering bases.

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Speaker 5: I think Tomighty Martin doesn't want to go anywhere. He's

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Speaker 5: Why forty seven.

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Speaker 5: What am I doing tonight? I'm actually talking about the

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Speaker 2: You know what. It's good for kids to have their

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like putting the crash taggle bags

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Speaker 1: It's Hither Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: There's been bit of mixed reporting on this one. Wasn't

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Speaker 2: actually sure wherev Lotimir Selenski stood on it whether he

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Speaker 8: I write Chloe Swrawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an

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Speaker 10: I won't be doing that, missus speaker.

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Speaker 2: On the way out, she finally left after a bit

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: That was free Palestine. In case you missed it, Jerry

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Speaker 8: The question is that Chloe Swarbrick, The question is that

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Speaker 12: The standing orders are She's quite specific about a motion

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Speaker 12: I believe, followed the requirements of the standing orders. So

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Speaker 2: And then even after voting for Chloe to be punished,

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Speaker 13: My personal view is that I don't agree with the

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Speaker 2: Then Willie felt left out.

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Speaker 14: You have kicked me out twice for calling another member

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Speaker 14: thank you, thank you very much, and I'd be happy

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Speaker 10: Mister Bisha and.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't let the moment pass without being completely over

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Speaker 2: David Carter on all of that later headlines.

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Speaker 1: Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 2: We're going to the US in a few minutes. Barry

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Speaker 2: So is standing by going to give us has taken

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Speaker 2: politics in ten minutes time. Hamas has applauded the Albanesi

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Speaker 2: government's decision to recognize Palestine. Hamas is calling on other

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Speaker 2: also arguing that the move by Australia and other Western

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Speaker 2: So that's cool for ALBANIESI, isn't it. He just got

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Speaker 2: the thumbs up from a listed terrorist group twenty four

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Trump's meeting with Putin is set to be held in Anchorage, Alaska,

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Speaker 2: on Friday local time. Carolyn Levitt is talking the meeting up.

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Speaker 15: The President of the United States getting in the room

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Speaker 2: Russia says its horses and Denesque are making significant advances.

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Speaker 2: Looks like the Aussies are all getting pay rises Australia's

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Speaker 17: This shows that the Albanesi labor government is making meaningful

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Speaker 2: And finally, a most in Switzerland has been issued a

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Curves the US correspondents with US Now.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Jonathan Heathery.

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Speaker 6: Always amazing to talk to you with the wonderful listeners

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, I really appreciate your time. So tell me

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Speaker 6: National Guard troops rolling into the heart of Washington DC.

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Speaker 6: But needless to say, Donald Trump says he's moving in

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Speaker 9: They came in.

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Speaker 6: We've seen them rolling around in humbies around the National

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Speaker 9: That has not been ruled out.

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Speaker 6: So the President of the United States is sending a very,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, it's not really a surprise that Zelensky hasn't been

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Speaker 6: Well. I think some quarters, certainly within the Trump administration

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Speaker 6: involved in some way, shape or form in this summit. Essentially,

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Speaker 6: it came down to one response from Carolina Levett, Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump's press secretary, today, and that was that it was

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Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin who called for the summit, Vladimir Putin who

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Speaker 6: asked for the meeting with Donald Trump. So that is

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Speaker 6: the reason they are saying that Vladimir Zlensky was not invited.

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Speaker 6: We've already heard the Ukrainian President in the last sort

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Speaker 6: of twenty hours or so issue a pretty firm warning

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Speaker 6: to the West that he believes Russia is actually not

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Speaker 6: seeking peace but on the verge of a new offensive.

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Speaker 6: This is going to be bigger than Ben heard this summit.

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump and Vladimir pus and have met previously in

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Speaker 6: the first administration, the Historic Summit in twenty eighteen and

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Speaker 6: Nelsinki in Finland. They met again in Osaka, Japan a

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Speaker 6: matter of a year or so later. And now the

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Speaker 6: White House is essentially also trying to water down any

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Speaker 6: expectations out of this summit, essentially saying, look, this is

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Speaker 6: going to be a listening exercise for US President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: He wants to hear what Vladimir Putin has to say.

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Speaker 6: He wants to stare at him across from the table

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Speaker 6: and find out exactly what position he believes the Russian

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Speaker 6: president is in and how far the Russian President is

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Speaker 6: willing to go to.

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Speaker 9: Get towards any sort of sex file.

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Speaker 6: Already they're talking about things like land swaps and what

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Speaker 6: could be handed to Russia and what could be handed

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Speaker 6: to Ukraine. But a lot of commentators, a lot of

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Speaker 6: experts here are essentially saying that is well beyond the

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Speaker 6: pale of where they are now. They're not even at

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Speaker 6: a ceasefire stage yet, so talking about land swaps is

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Speaker 6: almost the end mark before the full stop to any

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Speaker 6: sort of conflict. So there's certainly some way from that.

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Speaker 6: But it looks like that this summit on Friday US time,

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Speaker 6: that's going to be Saturday in New Zealand time, is

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Speaker 6: going to be a joint US military base outside Anchorage

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Speaker 6: in Alaska, which is going to be a fascinating backdrop. Essentially,

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Speaker 6: you have the Russian president on US soil, inside a

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Speaker 6: US Army facility, military facility, potentially trying to discuss some

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Speaker 6: sort of an end to the conflict with Ukraine, and

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Speaker 6: the idea that essentially he is dictating the terms of

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Speaker 6: this summit already, and he is the invited guest. Is

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Speaker 6: certainly raising some eyebrows before we even get to Alaska.

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Speaker 2: Too right, too right? I mean, this is high stake

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Speaker 2: stuff for Trumpy. Now is Taite going back on his

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Speaker 2: the Boyfriend's podcast again?

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Speaker 8: Is she?

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Speaker 6: Well, she teased out a promo clip yesterday. This is

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Speaker 6: the New Heights podcast that he's done by Travis.

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Speaker 2: Kelch hold on, Jonathan. So yesterday's wasn't an appearance that

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Speaker 2: was just a little promo.

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Speaker 11: Was it?

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Speaker 6: Yesterday? Yesterday's was the little tease clips she dropped out.

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Speaker 6: So remember those numbers she put out? Twelve twelve on

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Speaker 6: the twelfth of August was when essentially her website went

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Speaker 6: live with the idea of this new album that is coming,

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Speaker 6: which is going to be absolutely gang bust is obviously

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Speaker 6: for her, and she used a promo clip that she

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Speaker 6: has recorded already with the New Heights podcast of the

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Speaker 6: Kelsey Brothers. This is a podcast in the United States

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Speaker 6: that attracts millions of listeners. It's worth one hundred million

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Speaker 6: US dollars alone. And obviously her significant bo is Travis Kelce,

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Speaker 6: the Kansas City Star, and they have been dating for

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Speaker 6: a significant period of time now and you can see

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Speaker 6: in this clip there appearing alongside each other. Travis's brother

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Speaker 6: is obviously in another location, but behind a Tata herself. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: swifties have been looking into the eggs that have been

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Speaker 6: dropped in months gone by and into the background of

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Speaker 6: the images as to what sort of clues the books

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Speaker 6: on the shelf they have left behind, what the photos

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Speaker 6: and the photos frames put you know too much, Alla,

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Speaker 6: we know is orange mate?

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Speaker 9: Look.

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Speaker 6: We have spent a lot of time digging into this

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Speaker 6: over the course the last twenty four hours. We have

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Speaker 6: had a huge amount of people pouring over almost every detail,

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Speaker 6: much probably like your office has, into every detail, every

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Speaker 6: clue about what could be the centerpiece to Taylor Swift's

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Speaker 6: new album, The color Orange Look. She's had an issue

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Speaker 6: with the US President Donald Trump. He's been described as

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Speaker 6: looking at rather orange at times. Could there be I

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Speaker 6: don't know, a little beef continue on this album, I'd

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Speaker 6: say ent entirely unlikely. But essentially what you're going to

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Speaker 6: see is a monster album dropping October. The fans are

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Speaker 6: going to get incredibly excited, and it's certainly a case

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Speaker 6: of watched this face that podcast actually goes live. We

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Speaker 6: are less than twenty four hours away. Now, it's going

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Speaker 6: to be fascinating to hear exactly what more Taylor has

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Speaker 6: to say, not only about this album, maybe a relationship

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Speaker 6: with Travis. Maybe she's going to announce she's gone to

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Speaker 6: New Zealand and spending maybe a New Zealand wedding and wedding.

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Speaker 2: Every time, every time I thought you got to the

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Speaker 2: end of it, you had some more to say on Tayay.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Jonathan, don't tell me you're not excited. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Jonathan Kursley US corresponding. You know he's got

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Speaker 2: he's sitt an alarm on his watch, doesn't he He's

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Speaker 2: like Siri set an alarm for when Taylor Swift. Actually

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Speaker 2: I wonder that work hold on. So he set an

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Speaker 2: alarm for when Taylor Swift's podcast goes live. Nah, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: The watch is not ready for it. I just thought

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Speaker 2: that would that would be quite a cool gimmick. Actually, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Barry Soap is next on Politics, Quarter to Politics.

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Speaker 2: You might have caught up on the secondary school teachers

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Speaker 2: are going to be striking Next Wednesday. Ericus Stanford and

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins are going to hold a press conference at

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Speaker 2: quarter past five dealing with that, so we'll get you

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Speaker 2: across that. We will also speak to the PPTA after

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Speaker 2: six thirteen away from five. Barrisoper, Senior Political Correspondence with us. Now,

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Speaker 2: hey Barry, good afternoon. Okay, So the house, the circus

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Speaker 2: that was the house today, Well it was.

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Speaker 7: A bit of a circus, wasn't it. And the main

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Speaker 7: clown on the circus was Chloe Swarbrick herself. She played

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Speaker 7: it like a fiddle. I mean it played right into

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Speaker 7: her hands. Everybody's talking about Chloe Swarbrick refusing to apologize.

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Speaker 2: That makes her the ring master, doesn't it.

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Speaker 7: Well, maybe the ring master or the clown. I would

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Speaker 7: prefer to you see it as.

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Speaker 18: So this is how it.

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Speaker 7: All un folded in Parliament fearly predictably, I would have thought.

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Speaker 7: Although the intervention from Winston Peters wasn't expected, here they are.

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Speaker 8: I invite Chloe Strawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an

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Speaker 8: offensive comment made in the House yesterday.

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Speaker 10: I won't be doing that, Missus Speaker.

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Speaker 8: Then the Member will leave the house who were refusing

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Speaker 8: to leave the house. I therefore name Chloe Swrawbrick. Question

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Speaker 8: is that the Chloe Swarbrick be named. The eyes are

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Speaker 8: sixty eight, The nose of fifty four of the motion

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Speaker 8: is the greed the member will leave the house the

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Speaker 8: point of one of the right Honorable Winston Peters, the Speaker.

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Speaker 13: I've been in this house when a pomist accused the

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Speaker 13: oldition of being or getting some guts for a serious accusation.

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Speaker 13: Nothing happened, and then worse, I heard the sea word

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Speaker 13: being accepted as a language of commused in this house.

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Speaker 13: My personal view is that I don't agree with the

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Speaker 13: thing that Chloe Swarbick said at all. But this is

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Speaker 13: a rob house where people have a right to express

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Speaker 13: their views as passionate as they may, within certain rules.

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Speaker 13: But I do not think that eviction was warranted. Well,

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Speaker 13: let me just respond to that. What standard does the

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Speaker 13: house want to set for itself? My job is to

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Speaker 13: make sure that this house is a house of representatives

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Speaker 13: but deals respectfully with each other.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the House in recent years he has gone

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Speaker 7: from bad to worse. I mean, you know, people wearing

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Speaker 7: sneakers into their House jeans, T shirts, hats, no ties.

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Speaker 7: I think the Business Committee has to meet and they

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Speaker 7: have to understand that this House should be respected more

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Speaker 7: than it has been under these circumstances. So it was

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Speaker 7: interesting when I read the oral questions that were set

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Speaker 7: down for today. Chloe s Warlbrock had the fourth question

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Speaker 7: on the order paper and I thought, well, maybe she's

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Speaker 7: going to do the right thing to keep order in Parliament,

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Speaker 7: stand up and apologize. Why would she have the question there? Well, anyway, basically,

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Speaker 7: needless to say, she didn't get to ask the question

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Speaker 7: because she was out of the House and basically she's

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Speaker 7: gone for the rest of the week. Asking her a

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Speaker 7: question was her sidekick Mariama Davidson, who didn't get much

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Speaker 7: satisfaction from the place.

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Speaker 2: Does he agree that Benjamin Netta know who's lost the

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Speaker 2: plot quote? And if so, when will he sanction Israel?

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Speaker 19: Well, again, those were comments that I made about my

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Speaker 19: personal observations of Israel attacking Gaza City overnight, which was utterly,

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Speaker 19: utterly unacceptable. Was what the global community has called for

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Speaker 19: for a long time. New Zealand has called for for

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Speaker 19: a long time with its partners to say Israel, you

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Speaker 19: need to be listening to the global community, and that

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Speaker 19: has not been happening.

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Speaker 7: And indeed, hither this is what he said before he

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Speaker 7: went into the house.

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Speaker 19: I think what's happening in Gaza is utterly, utterly appalling.

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Speaker 19: Nettiyahoo has gone way too far. I think he has

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Speaker 19: lost the plot and I think that you know, what

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Speaker 19: we're saying overnight with the attack on Gaza City is utterly,

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Speaker 19: utterly unacceptable, and that's what we have been calling for

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Speaker 19: as international community now for a long period of time.

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Speaker 19: He is not listening to the international community.

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Speaker 7: I don't know why I couldn't have said that in

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Speaker 7: the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Now what do you make of the fact

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Speaker 2: that Jacinda and Aisha and Grant and Chippee have decided

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Speaker 2: not to talk about what they did to us?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, we listened to the pulpit of truth

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Speaker 7: for so long, and all the aforementioned were at it

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Speaker 7: at one time or another. The Prime Minister durn at

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Speaker 7: it every basically every day when we're counting COVID numbers,

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Speaker 7: and one would have thought that this COVID inquiry, it

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Speaker 7: would be expected of them that they would appair well.

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Speaker 7: The COVID inquiry basically will not be proceeding with public

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Speaker 7: He says, no longer justified because the main players are

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Speaker 7: Dern former Prime Minister of course at the time, well

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Speaker 7: not at the time, Chris Hopkins, Grant Robertson, Ashaverel. None

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Speaker 7: of them are going to turn up. Yeah, they have

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Speaker 7: given evidence, but one would have thought they could have

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Speaker 7: for the sake of the country to be happy to

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Speaker 7: turn up and answer some questions. Now they shouldn't be

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Speaker 7: put in stocks.

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Speaker 2: That was a joke obviously, course, but it's not good

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Speaker 2: for the brand, is it.

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Speaker 7: It's not just you know, I have the courage of

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Speaker 7: your conviction.

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Speaker 2: Right Barry, Thanks very much. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence

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Speaker 2: eight away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast if.

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Speaker 3: Your Prime Minister David Seymour back.

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Speaker 19: Well, this is part of the problem with the Palestinian

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Speaker 19: debaate and you get people, unfortunately like Chloe, who lose

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Speaker 19: the plot.

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Speaker 3: And that's the difficulty of the debate.

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Speaker 19: Doesn't You can't have a debate because there'll be someone

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Speaker 19: in the room like her that goes nuts.

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Speaker 20: Well, I thought we kind of reached peak. Chloe Swawber,

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Speaker 20: you had the moral supremacy just like all extremists, the

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Speaker 20: idea that causes so right, you don't have to follow

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Speaker 20: the rules. You can just assert it over everybody else,

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Speaker 20: even if it stops the institution functioning. And I just

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Speaker 20: make the point that how can you call for an

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Speaker 20: international rules based order when you can't follow the basic

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Speaker 20: rules in your own workplace.

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Speaker 9: She should be able to debate on the issues.

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Speaker 21: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 21: Rain Drover News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: It's four away from five. Now listen on this business

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Speaker 2: of Chippy and the rest of them, the rest of

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Speaker 2: the cohort not wanting to appear before the COVID committee.

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Speaker 2: Chippy's explained why he doesn't want to give evidence.

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Speaker 12: I provided written evidence to the inquiry. I answered every

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Speaker 12: question that they had. I attended the interview that they

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Speaker 12: scheduled for me. They had asked for two hours. They

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Speaker 12: ran out of questions after an hour. They've indicated they

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Speaker 12: have no further questions for me. At that point, they

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Speaker 12: then asked me to repeat my answers again, to attend

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Speaker 12: another process where I would repeat my answers again. I'd

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Speaker 12: already answered all of their questions and they themselves that

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Speaker 12: it wasn't a matter of gathering any further information.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's my understanding that the interview that Chippy took

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Speaker 2: part in was to inform the official public hearing. It's

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Speaker 2: like a depositions, you know, you're like you do a

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Speaker 2: pre interview in order to then do the good interview

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Speaker 2: really quickly. It was never supposed to replace the public hearing.

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Speaker 2: The x ministers only declined the invitation after they appeared

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Speaker 2: for that first interview, though the inquiry says it did

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Speaker 2: consider whether to summons the ex ministers, but decided against

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Speaker 2: it because being adversarial is against the terms of reference. Well,

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Speaker 2: they've done a very tricky thing here. They've agreed to

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Speaker 2: the depositions, going yeah, you no, we'll do the weed

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Speaker 2: as and then they go that's all you're going to get,

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Speaker 2: and that's enough. And it will not surprise you whatsoever

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Speaker 2: that Chippy is being slippery, will it? After what we

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Speaker 2: talked about yesterday. Anyway, Listen, we have got a lot

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Speaker 2: to get through. You remember I was telling you yesterday

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Speaker 2: about that woman who the Keywey woman who's in the

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Speaker 2: iced attention over in the US. We're going to speak

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Speaker 2: to her lawyer in about twenty minutes. Sounds like this

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Speaker 2: thing could take months to get her out swabchat to

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Speaker 2: the lawyer about that. Also, Erica, the MVP of this government,

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Speaker 2: has been accused of being a bit racist. She's sake

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Speaker 2: Maldi words out of reading books. She's not and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna explain to you why. But we'll deal with that

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Speaker 2: in the next half hour. News Talks at.

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Speaker 22: B Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show.

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Speaker 3: You trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand, Let's Get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The COVID inquiry has canceled any further public hearings

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Speaker 2: because Jacinda Ardurn, Chris Hopkins, Grant Robertson and Aischeveril are

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Speaker 2: refusing to front for it. The former ministers argue that

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Speaker 2: it would be performative rather than informative. Hearing from the

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Speaker 2: National Party MP Bishop is with me at the moment.

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Speaker 23: Hig Chris Good Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Far from ideal, isn't it?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 23: I think it's disgraceful. New Zealand has deserve answers to

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Speaker 23: the scale of the COVID spending that we are still

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Speaker 23: bearing the consequences of today, and they should front up

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Speaker 23: and explain to the public and to the COVID Inquiry

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Speaker 23: exactly why they did this, the scale of the spending

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Speaker 23: that they did, and how they did it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the quiry's done, the Inquiry's done the

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Speaker 2: wrong thing. Deciding not to summons them.

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Speaker 23: Well, that would be an extraordinary step. I think really

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Speaker 23: what Chris Hopkins should do is decide to do the

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Speaker 23: right thing and actually front up, because he was in

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Speaker 23: charge of, alongside just cinder ardun an economic response to

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Speaker 23: COVID that has left us with enormous amounts of debt.

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Speaker 23: Core Crown debt increased by one hundred and sixty nine

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Speaker 23: percent from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three, one hundred

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Speaker 23: and fifty five billion dollars. That is money that my

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Speaker 23: kids and your kids are going to have to repay.

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Speaker 23: We have very little to show for it. By the way,

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Speaker 23: I can tell you that the country's not one hundred

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Speaker 23: for one hundred and sixty nine percent better off as

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Speaker 23: a result of that record spending. And as the Treasury

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Speaker 23: report that came out last week revealed half of the

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Speaker 23: response to COVID that the extra spending was completely unrelated

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Speaker 23: to COVID, so we ended up spending things like you know,

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Speaker 23: jobs for nature programs so called shove already programs increased

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Speaker 23: to welfare benefits, training schemes, tax changes. You know, none

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Speaker 23: of these things are actually related to COVID, but we're

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Speaker 23: all of course bearing the price of that through high

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Speaker 23: inflation and high debt that we're still enduring today.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I don't know if you know the details of

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Speaker 2: what's gone on here, but my understanding is that what

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Speaker 2: these guys have done is like a depositions. They've done

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Speaker 2: a pre interview with the view and the reason it

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Speaker 2: was done was a pre interview so that they could

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Speaker 2: do the main interview. But once they did the pre interview,

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Speaker 2: they basically said that you've got everything you need and

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Speaker 2: pulled out. Is that what happened.

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Speaker 23: That's my understanding about what happened. The inquiry invited them

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Speaker 23: to appear in public and overseas. That's you know, some

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Speaker 23: of these hearings have been in public, but the UK

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Speaker 23: COVID inquiry has all been in public. For example, for

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Speaker 23: the Stage one of our inquiry was all done behind

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Speaker 23: closed doors. The State two, which is focused on the

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Speaker 23: economic response has was designed to be done in public,

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Speaker 23: and they've basically just thumbed their no's at it and said, no,

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Speaker 23: we're not going to I mean, I think the irony

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Speaker 23: that a lot of New Zealanders will understand is great,

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Speaker 23: which is, you know, more than prepared to speak up

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Speaker 23: from the podium of truth day after day during those

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Speaker 23: awful COVID years, prepared to do all of that, take

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Speaker 23: questions during that period, but not prepared to front up

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Speaker 23: a few years later and actually answer some tough questions

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Speaker 23: about the economic response.

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Speaker 3: I think it says at.

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Speaker 2: All listen at the risk of sounding petulant, and I

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Speaker 2: am aware that I could we do that. There are

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Speaker 2: perks associated with some of these officers that continue. For example,

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Speaker 2: we continue to pay a stipend to just Sindada because

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Speaker 2: she was once a former prime minister. I mean, should

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Speaker 2: we think about would it be would it be would

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Speaker 2: it be cheerlish of us to take it away from her?

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Speaker 23: I think, I mean, look, I can understand people's anger

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Speaker 23: about that. I think you get into dangerous terry when

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Speaker 23: you when you do that. So I wouldn't recommend that,

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Speaker 23: but I do I do think they should be doing

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Speaker 23: the right thing here, and I think New Zealanders will

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Speaker 23: judge them for not fronting up, and in particular, I

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Speaker 23: think they will judge Chris Hipkins, who, let remember, is

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Speaker 23: still in politics. So zeishaverel to cinder Arderne has left,

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Speaker 23: but Chris Hopkins is wanting to be the Prime Minister

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Speaker 23: of this country again, and I think it's disgraceful that

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Speaker 23: he won't front up and explain to the public why

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Speaker 23: they went on a spending spree that sent New Zealand

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Speaker 23: crashing into recession, that we are still bearing the consequences

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Speaker 23: of today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Chris appreciated. Chris Bishop, National Party.

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Speaker 3: MP together Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So, as you know, Chloe Swarbrick was kicked out of

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Speaker 2: the House again today after refusing to apologize for calling

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Speaker 2: opposition members spineless yesterday.

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Speaker 8: I write Chloe Swawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an

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Speaker 8: offensive comment made in the House yesterday.

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Speaker 10: I won't be doing that, missus.

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Speaker 2: Speaker David Carter is the former Speaker of the House

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Speaker 2: and with us, Hey David, Hi, Ever, she did break

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Speaker 2: the rules, so didn't she?

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Speaker 3: Yes, she did.

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Speaker 24: Her comment was unparliamentary. The important thing is it's the

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Speaker 24: Speaker's job to determine whether he thinks it's unparliamentary or not,

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Speaker 24: and then he gives an instruction to her to leave

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Speaker 24: abide by that you've got no choice.

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Speaker 2: It is getting silly, though, isn't it day that when

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Speaker 2: she's getting punished for basically calling opposition members spineless and

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Speaker 2: then another old mate jumps up, Debbie jumps up, drops

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Speaker 2: the sea bomb, and there's no punishment for that. That's silly,

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Speaker 2: isn't it?

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Speaker 24: Well, absolutely it is. There's no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 24: that the standards are declining. It's a tough environment in there.

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Speaker 24: You've got to sympathize with the speaker's position. Though he's

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Speaker 24: sitting at the front, he doesn't always hear everything clearly

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Speaker 24: because of the noise in the din and the interjections.

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Speaker 24: He's got to make an instant decision as to how

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Speaker 24: he reacts to any comment that's been made by any

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Speaker 24: of the one hundred and twenty oive members of Parliament.

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Speaker 24: He doesn't have the chance to get an action replay

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Speaker 24: like a test rugby. He's got to make a decision.

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Speaker 24: He's got to back himself.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with Winston Peters that being kicked out

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Speaker 2: for a whole week is a bit ott.

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Speaker 24: I think in my if I had been there doing

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Speaker 24: it and I decided that that remark was offensive, and

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Speaker 24: I had asked her to withdraw and she'd refused, I

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Speaker 24: would have kicked her out for that day. I would

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Speaker 24: then have dealt with it as Jerry has today by

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Speaker 24: them and ask you to at the start a question

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Speaker 24: time today to withdraw and apologize. If she had been refused,

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Speaker 24: I would probably have done the same Asteria and asked

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Speaker 24: her to leave again.

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Speaker 2: Were you the speaker when John Key said get some guns?

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Speaker 24: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 3: Should you have That's exactly if I.

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Speaker 24: If I had my time again, I should have asked

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Speaker 24: him to withdraw and apologize. And that's exactly the point

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Speaker 24: I'm making. I didn't hear it clearly at the time.

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Speaker 24: I let it ride. In hindsight, when you get a

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Speaker 24: chance to use the tape and hear it again, yes,

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Speaker 24: I would have asked him to withdraw and apologize. That

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Speaker 24: would have settled the house down if I've done that.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, David, Thank you. I really appreciate your time, as

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Speaker 2: I always do. That's David Carter, Former Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for see, Ellen, did you.

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Speaker 2: See the All Blacks in Argentina? Did you see the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks and Argentina lifting the car? So what happened

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Speaker 2: is that arreon bordhas Artiz and there's a car that's

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Speaker 2: got stuck on a little bollard ea thing. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure quite how it works, but it's

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Speaker 2: the bonardy thing looks like a giant tooth poking up

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Speaker 2: out of the ground. And it's unclear whether it's one

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Speaker 2: of those ones that comes up or whether the like,

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Speaker 2: whether the car parks where it shouldn't have parked and

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Speaker 2: then it came up and impaled the car, or whether

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Speaker 2: the car reversed over it. Like Any of these things

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Speaker 2: are possible, aren't they. Anyway? These guys are good sorts.

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Speaker 2: They go over there in their kits, They've got their

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Speaker 2: lovely little matching ADDI dass outfits on, looking all very

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Speaker 2: professional stuff. They go over lift the car up, lifted

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Speaker 2: over the barl out and I don't know what you're thinking, Oh,

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Speaker 2: those those front rowers, No, not even the front rowers. Jordi,

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Speaker 2: Barrett Boden, Barrett, Damien McKenzie, how good? Fourteen past five? Hey,

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Speaker 2: with tough economic conditions, a slowing export market, and a

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Speaker 2: There isn't it ironic that one of the world's most

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Speaker 2: performative politicians is refusing to be accountable because it would

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Speaker 2: be performative. Steve nails it eighteen past five. Now listen,

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Speaker 2: We've got more for you on the New Zealand woman

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Speaker 2: Sarah Shaw and her six year old son currently in

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Speaker 2: an IC detention center. New Zealand Embassy staff have made

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Speaker 2: contact with Sarah, but we still don't know when she

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Speaker 2: may be released. Minda Thorwood is Sarah's US immigration lawyer

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Speaker 2: and with us Himenda Hi, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 2: ye thanks for joining us. Listen. How long, realistically is

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Speaker 2: it going to take you to get her out?

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Speaker 25: You know, I actually can't answer that question. I mean,

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Speaker 25: I'm working with well, I'm working to get her out.

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Speaker 25: I'm using every legal process I can, but it's ultimately

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Speaker 25: going to be up to DHS. We're hoping that they're

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Speaker 25: just going to release her and her son later this week,

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Speaker 25: although they may still remain removal proceedings, but we're still

902
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Speaker 25: just waiting to find out what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have foreign affairs been helpful as in't like our

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Foreign AFA has been helpful in this well.

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Speaker 25: I have not been working with them directly, but some

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Speaker 25: of the government officials here, elected officials have gotten involved

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Speaker 25: in her case. Senator Patty Murray's office and Reporck Larsen

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Speaker 25: here in Washington had been working on her case, and

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Speaker 25: I believe Rick Larson's office I can't honestly can't remember

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Speaker 25: one of those two is now in touch with the embassy.

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Speaker 25: I've talked to so many people and so many reporters,

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Speaker 25: I'm starting to lose loose track of some of it.

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Speaker 25: So I believe that the New Zealand Embassy is involved now,

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Speaker 25: but I haven't been directly in touch with them.

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Speaker 2: Are they helpful? In I mean to have the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Embassy getting in touch and weighing, you know, putting

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Speaker 2: their weight on this. Does that help?

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Speaker 25: I mean anything helps? I mean any attention or you know,

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Speaker 25: any political pressure, pressure from other nations, anything, I mean,

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Speaker 25: all of that is I mean, I think that all

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Speaker 25: of that is absolutely helping. We had a USCIS interview

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Speaker 25: earlier today, you know, with respect to Sarah's Penning petition,

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Speaker 25: and I don't think things would have happened that quickly

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Speaker 25: had there not been so much media attention and pressure

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Speaker 25: from you know, elected officials and the embassy.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is obviously the case of a woman who

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Speaker 2: does live in Washington State, so she is residing. But

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Speaker 2: does this kind I mean should people Should travelers to

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Speaker 2: the US be wary of having exactly.

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Speaker 25: The right Oh asolutely this I would, you know, now,

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Speaker 25: more than ever, it's essentral that everybody have the correct

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Speaker 25: travel documents, that they do not stay beyond their alloted

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Speaker 25: visa time. We've just had such an uptick and you know,

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Speaker 25: draconian enforcement of immigration laws. And unfortunately, I've seen this happen,

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Speaker 25: you know, many times where you know, I mean, probably

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Speaker 25: not the same thing here, but I you know, I

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Speaker 25: had some you know, you know, twenty year old kid

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Speaker 25: who happens to forget he has half of an edible

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Speaker 25: cookie coming from Canada, and that's been immigrating attention for

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Speaker 25: a month until we can send them home to Germany.

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Speaker 25: You know, I mean, it's just that kind of thing,

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Speaker 25: yea where simple mistakes result in basically being incarcerated for

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Speaker 25: indefinite periods of time.

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Speaker 2: Menda, thank you for your time based of luck with

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Speaker 2: it and and keep us a brace of it. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Mendethel would us immigration lawyer halor.

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Speaker 3: Dupless Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Informed insight into today's issues. It's handler duplessy Ellen with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected youth talk.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be here.

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Speaker 2: The look I loathe Chloe Swarbrick, but I've got to

952
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Speaker 2: say she didn't say anything offensive. In a week suspension

953
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Speaker 2: is ridiculous. I think so too. It does seem a

954
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Speaker 2: little on the harsh. I think everybody thinks it's a

955
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Speaker 2: bit on the harsh side. Yeah, I mean we can.

956
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Speaker 2: We can guess as to why Jerry's doing this. I

957
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Speaker 2: suspect it's to look like he's the tough guy. Anyway,

958
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Speaker 2: five twenty four, we'll talk to the huddle about it shortly.

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Speaker 2: On the netball, the temptation on the netball will be

960
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Speaker 2: to be worried about so many of our silver ferns

961
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Speaker 2: and professional players heading over to Ozzie to play netball.

962
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Speaker 2: But I don't think that we should be worried about this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I don't even think we've reached the

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Speaker 2: end of that list. Karen Berger, Kellie Jackson to Pie

965
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Speaker 2: slb Rickett, Maddie Gordon Grace workare. The feeling is that

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Speaker 2: now that we've given them permission to head overseas, more

967
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Speaker 2: of them will head overseas. That's actually good for us,

968
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Speaker 2: at least in the short term. In the short term,

969
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Speaker 2: this is going to help the Silver Ferns because the

970
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Speaker 2: netball competition that these women are going to play in

971
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Speaker 2: over in Australia is the netball competition in the world.

972
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Speaker 2: They can only become better players playing in that netball

973
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Speaker 2: competition and therefore when they come back to play for

974
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Speaker 2: the Silver Ferns, they will make the Silver Ferns stronger. Yes,

975
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Speaker 2: there is no doubt that this is going to degrade

976
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Speaker 2: the A and Z Premiership, but then let's be honest

977
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Speaker 2: about it. The A and Z Premiership is already degraded

978
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Speaker 2: to the point that no broadcaster in this country wanted

979
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Speaker 2: to pay for it. Now, if your choice is between

980
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Speaker 2: saving that competition or saving the Silver Ferns, who frankly

981
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Speaker 2: have not had a very good run lately. Because our

982
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Speaker 2: domestic competition is not great and is not producing, is

983
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Speaker 2: not lifting the standards of our players. You save the

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Speaker 2: silver ferns now. I realize that this is not a

985
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Speaker 2: long term solution. The long term solution is to get

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Speaker 2: one or two local teams back into the Aussie competition

987
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Speaker 2: like it was in the old days. But this is

988
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Speaker 2: a short term survival solution. And when you are trying

989
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Speaker 2: to save the quality of netball in this country and

990
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Speaker 2: the ability of professional players to make a living playing

991
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Speaker 2: netball in this country, then I think that this was

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Speaker 2: the right call.

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Speaker 3: Heather duplusy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So on the situation with the Mardi books, you

995
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Speaker 2: will have caught up on this has been it's been

996
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Speaker 2: brewing for a little bit now. Apparently Erica has banned

997
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Speaker 2: Maori being being published in books for teaching the kids

998
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Speaker 2: to read. Now that sounds when you just when this

999
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Speaker 2: is like year one books. It could affect some year

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Speaker 2: two to three books as well. Not entirely clear whether

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Speaker 2: the Mary is allowed back into the year two books

1002
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Speaker 2: or the year four books, but regardless, it sounds hideous,

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Speaker 2: right if you listen to it, you go o oh, no,

1004
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Speaker 2: here we go. So this is dis government hating on

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Speaker 2: anything Mary related. This actually makes sense though, And take

1006
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Speaker 2: this from some like I learned Mary for five years, right,

1007
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Speaker 2: so I care about I actually want to be able

1008
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Speaker 2: to speak the Mardi language. I want our kids to

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Speaker 2: be able to speak it. And yet I am telling

1010
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Speaker 2: you that this makes sense because I don't know if

1011
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: it's about the phonetic sounds. I don't know if you

1012
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: can recall trying to teach your kids how to write

1013
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: and study it gets English is complicated. So you're sitting

1014
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: there going a A for apple, Oh, that doesn't make

1015
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: any sense, A for aviation, but also AH for apple. Right,

1016
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Speaker 2: So we've already got this like inconsistency that you're trying

1017
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: to teach the kids that A for apple also and

1018
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: E for egg also is A for apple and F

1019
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: for egg and somehow they've got to figure this out.

1020
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: But then you chuck in the mild phonetic sounds and

1021
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Speaker 2: that's completely different. Now it's A for our. So now

1022
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Speaker 2: you've got A for apple, a for aviation, and A

1023
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Speaker 2: for our all looking exactly the same. You can see

1024
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Speaker 2: how that's going to overcomplicate things for the little kiddies. Anyways,

1025
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Speaker 2: as a result of this, I think that the idea

1026
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Speaker 2: that maybe you introduced it at year three or four

1027
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Speaker 2: whatever makes a little bit of sense. We're going to talk.

1028
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk shortly with a professor who's involved

1029
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: with these books. She's going to be with us after

1030
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Speaker 2: the news just quickly. Education Minister Erica Stanford is just

1031
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: speaking to media right now actually about that strike that

1032
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: was announced by the secondary school teachers for next Wednesday.

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Speaker 26: See, and it does look like a political stunt. You

1034
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 26: can only look at the amount of time they've spent

1035
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 26: at the bargaining table and the fact that they have

1036
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Speaker 26: not come back with a serious counteroffer or even here.

1037
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Speaker 10: Are the things that are important to us.

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Speaker 26: Just here is everything that's on the table again that

1039
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Speaker 26: is very DISTINGI and the fact that they've got all

1040
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 26: this marketing campaign. Really it looks like they spent more

1041
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 26: time on their marketing campaign than they've spent.

1042
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Speaker 2: At the table. Chris Abbacombie, who was with the PPTA,

1043
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: is going to be with us after six o'clock. Next up, though,

1044
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: let's talk about the marty and the books, and then

1045
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: we have the huddle as well. News dogsb.

1046
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Speaker 3: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1047
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Speaker 3: drive home.

1048
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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1049
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Speaker 1: get connected news talk said b And here you were.

1050
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Speaker 24: My head, mam, dreaming.

1051
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Speaker 2: How the preta is with us? After six o'clock on

1052
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: the teacher strive, we got the huddle standing by just

1053
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: really quickly. This is important. I need to get you

1054
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: across this. This is not good for Andrew Costa. It

1055
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: turns out Andrew Costin knew. You remember that, you remember

1056
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Speaker 2: the story about the six peest who was working in

1057
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Speaker 2: Luxeon's office, Mychael Forbes, the one who got caught up

1058
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Speaker 2: with the hookers in Wellington. Turns out and nobody knew.

1059
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Speaker 2: Nobody knew in Louise Upstein's office, nobody knew. In the

1060
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office. Michael Forbes just kept on working there. Well,

1061
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Speaker 2: it turns out that Andrew Coster did know. The event

1062
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Speaker 2: happened on eleventh of July. At seven o'clock in the evening.

1063
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Speaker 2: The next day, twelfth of July, the police comms are

1064
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Speaker 2: notified at twenty to six. Costa is told at quarter

1065
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Speaker 2: past six. He does not at any stage tell he's

1066
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Speaker 2: got eyeballs, he's watching Telly, He's seeing lucks in there,

1067
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Speaker 2: he's going, oh, yep, there you are, Michael, yeah, standing

1068
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Speaker 2: behind the primeister. At no stage does Andrew get in

1069
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Speaker 2: touch with him and go, hey, you need to know

1070
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Speaker 2: about what what a security threat we've got going on

1071
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Speaker 2: here with that bloke standing behind you. Doesn't do it

1072
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Speaker 2: the onus. He leaves the onus up to He puts

1073
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Speaker 2: the onus on Michael to tell Chris what's happened, And

1074
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Speaker 2: of course Michael never does tell Chris. Also, and so

1075
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Speaker 2: I think this is potentially quite damaging myself to Andrew Costa.

1076
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Speaker 2: But also second, Kuda knew this is the what was

1077
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Speaker 2: she deputy police commision assisant Pole commissioner, one of those

1078
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Speaker 2: things time Yakuda. She's the one who just quit the

1079
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Speaker 2: other day. Do you think it's timing things? Quit the

1080
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Speaker 2: other day? And then this comes out and she knew

1081
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Speaker 2: about it, and I suspect so twenty three away from.

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Speaker 3: Sex ever do for see Ellen.

1083
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Speaker 2: Now on the books, the Education Minister is cutting Marty

1084
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Speaker 2: words from future editions of some books used to teach

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Speaker 2: reading to five and six year olds. The books in

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Speaker 2: question are from the Ready to Read Phonics Plus series.

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Speaker 2: Now Professor Gail Gillen from the University of Canterbury was

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Speaker 2: one of the people who led the development of that

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Speaker 2: series and is with us now. Hey, Gail Kyoder, Henna

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Speaker 2: has Erica got a point that kids need to learn

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Speaker 2: the phonics sounds in one language before they then switched

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Speaker 2: to the phonic sounds in another language.

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Speaker 21: Well, the evidence that we have would suggest that our

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Speaker 21: five year old children are coping very well with the

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Speaker 21: inclusion of just a few koupon mary in these early readers.

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Speaker 21: We have evidence from over twenty nine thousand five year

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Speaker 21: old children from across the country who are using these

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Speaker 21: readers as part of our Better Start literacy approach, and

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Speaker 21: the teachers are doing a wonderful job and using these

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Speaker 21: readers to really improve children's literacy skills.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me about this evidence. So have we

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Speaker 2: done a test here where we've selected a group of

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Speaker 2: kids and we've given them just one language in the

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Speaker 2: phonic sounds, and then another group of kids with two

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Speaker 2: languages and phonic sounds and seen how they compare to

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Speaker 2: each other.

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Speaker 21: No, we haven't done that type of experimental research. The

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Speaker 21: research we have done, though, has shown that the approach

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Speaker 21: that uses these readers in a controlled way through using

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Speaker 21: these readers compared to using other types of literacy approaches

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Speaker 21: has shown that the better stant literacy approach is more

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Speaker 21: effective than other approaches. So we have data at that

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Speaker 21: large group level to show that these readers being included

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Speaker 21: in the year one teaching approach is working really well.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Okay, so, Gail, So we don't know if

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Speaker 2: better Start just English is better than better Start English

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Speaker 2: plus Mariti.

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Speaker 21: Well, the Marty we're talking about is a few who Mary.

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Speaker 2: I do understand and listen, I'm pro Mary language. Don't

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Speaker 2: get me wrong. Don't think that I'm not into this.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a wholeheartedly into it. But we don't know

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Speaker 2: for sure do it because we haven't actually tested this.

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Speaker 21: Well, we haven't tested Mary versus English as teaching media.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So then, so, Gail, doesn't it stand to reason,

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Speaker 2: just using common sense that when you're trying to teach

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Speaker 2: kids English, it's it's difficult enough with the phonetic sounds. Right,

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Speaker 2: You've got a for aviation, A for apple for apple.

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Speaker 2: Now you're chucking an A for hour. It's going to

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Speaker 2: get really confusing for these little dudes, isn't it.

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Speaker 21: Well, English is confusing in itself why. Of course, how

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Speaker 21: these words are introduced are in the same way as

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Speaker 21: that we introduce a number of words in English that

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Speaker 21: are also confusing. In other words, that's simply told to

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Speaker 21: the child as they read the line of text. So

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Speaker 21: it's no more confusing introducing a word like kai or

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Speaker 21: manu or kapa hakka than it is introducing a word

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Speaker 21: like said or they.

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Speaker 2: But that's my point. I mean, like I said, and

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this because I'm trying to teach my boy

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Speaker 2: to read at the moment, and I'm not going well

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Speaker 2: bloody hard because English is just so messed up. But

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Speaker 2: the thing is, I what I and I'm not trained

1143
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Speaker 2: in this, so obviously I'm going to make huge mistakes.

1144
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Speaker 2: But what I am finding is that already trying to

1145
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Speaker 2: explain to him the aberrations that we have in English

1146
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: is bloody hard enough without chucking in as well. So

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Speaker 2: then my question is, I mean, does it not mean

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Speaker 2: are we going to offend people if we just let

1149
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Speaker 2: let the first three years be exclusively English phonetic and

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Speaker 2: then we chuck the Marty sounds and after year four

1151
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Speaker 2: maybe well, of.

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Speaker 21: Course, in English we're integrating to our Mary all the time.

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Speaker 21: So this is an opportunity as we begin to teach

1154
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Speaker 21: our readers right from five, to introduce just a few

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Speaker 21: Kooper Maria into those texts. Now, remember this is in

1156
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Speaker 21: the context of some beautiful stories that are really relevant

1157
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Speaker 21: and purposely written for our New Zealand cultural context, and

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Speaker 21: the teachers have support and how to gradually introduce are

1159
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Speaker 21: these words alongside the English words that they're using. So

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Speaker 21: it's not like we're putting a whole lot of Marty

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Speaker 21: words into one book. They're gradually introduced. And the evidence

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Speaker 21: is very clear here that the data we have from

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Speaker 21: twenty nine thousand children is suggesting we are not confusing

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Speaker 21: children by using these readers. Well, without all three Marty

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Speaker 21: some of the readers.

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Speaker 2: With respect our kids cannot read properly in this country.

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Speaker 2: So we haven't got great evidence, have we.

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Speaker 21: We do from the better Start at Tricia approach. That's

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Speaker 21: where you're wrong. We published this data. We have very

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Speaker 21: clear evidence that the better Start that Tricy approach, which

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Speaker 21: uses these readers as part of the teaching approach, is

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Speaker 21: significantly accelerating reading, spelling, oral language, phonics and phony awareness

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Speaker 21: of our five and six year old children. Listen that

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Speaker 21: research is published internationally.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it and you're the experts. I will

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Speaker 2: defer to you. Thank you. Professor Gal Gillen, director of

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Speaker 2: the Child Well Being Institute at the University of Canterbury.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 2: Do we have the huddle with us right now. Morris

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Speaker 2: Williamson All can Counsel, the former National Minister and also

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame, host of Saturday mornings on ZB and Q

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Speaker 2: and a high Lads, good evening. We're going to come

1184
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Speaker 2: back to this if we have a chance, Morris, just

1185
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Speaker 2: send it. Chippy Grant Aisha All refused to front for

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Speaker 2: the COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 27: Your reaction, Oh well, I've got a strong view on that.

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Speaker 27: They took some terribly tough decisions. They put New Zealanders

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Speaker 27: through a hell of a lot. The second lockdown on

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Speaker 27: Auckland was I think criminal. I think they've got to

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Speaker 27: be able to come back and say why and say

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Speaker 27: we did it because and here's the results we achieved

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Speaker 27: and really explain themselves. Because they're hiding and saying, oh,

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Speaker 27: we won't come and answer. It suggests that they think

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Speaker 27: they got it very badly wrong and would only come

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Speaker 27: out the wrong side of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a very good point, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 27: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I mean they still have to give evidence, right, and

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Speaker 11: they still have to be interviewed. They've all agreed to that.

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Speaker 11: But I think, actually, I mean I agree, I think

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Speaker 11: it would be ideal.

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Speaker 2: Haven't They've already done it Jack for.

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Speaker 11: A full account? Yeah, they have, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Already it was the deposition's version, right, So they did

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Speaker 2: the pre interview ahead of what was expected to be

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Speaker 2: the main interview, and then once they've done the pre interview,

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Speaker 2: they said, oh ye, and now you're not going to

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Speaker 2: get the main interview. So that's only a half job.

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Speaker 11: Okay. Well, if the people heading up the inquiry desire them,

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Speaker 11: they're in person, they also have the opportunity to summon them.

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Speaker 11: Just just let me make this point though, I think

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Speaker 11: sadly it's just a continuation of an over politicization of

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Speaker 11: the whole Commission of Inquiry process. So I think like

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Speaker 11: the phase one of the Commission of Inquiry I think

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Speaker 11: missed out a couple of critical points, Like I think

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Speaker 11: it was really a poor call not to include decisions

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Speaker 11: about monetary policy in phase one. I think it was

1220
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Speaker 11: a poor call not to consider vaccine efficacy in phase one,

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Speaker 11: and I was broadly supportive of Phase two except when

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Speaker 11: I saw the terms of reference, and Phase two only

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Speaker 11: starts from February twenty twenty one. I think if we

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Speaker 11: as a public were to have a proper comprehend into

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Speaker 11: accounting of the COVID decisions and how they were made,

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Speaker 11: you'd go from when the vaccine first emerged the whole

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Speaker 11: way through. You'd include the period in which you get

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Speaker 11: in first ministers were part of the government. You'd include

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Speaker 11: the period in which de Cinder and Chippy might say

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Speaker 11: they made really good decisions, and you'd include some of

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Speaker 11: the big mistakes. And I think sadly this has kind

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Speaker 11: of been over politicized on the word gut ye.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing.

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Speaker 9: Can I just.

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Speaker 18: Simplify it quickly?

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Speaker 27: If I was a minister who had done what had

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Speaker 27: happened over the few years and the damaged under the

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Speaker 27: economy that we're still feeling, and inflation and explosions of expenditure,

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Speaker 27: I'd actually want to come on and say we did

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Speaker 27: it because these were the outcomes we wanted to achieve

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Speaker 27: and we did. And the idea that you're not prepared

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Speaker 27: to I mean, I jump at the chance to try

1243
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Speaker 27: to justify it. Even if the public thought I was wrong.

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Speaker 27: You've got a chance to explain why and why you

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Speaker 27: wouldn't take that. I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's not good for the brand overseas is

1247
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Speaker 2: it will take a break? Come back quarter to six.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jack Tamer Morris Williamson

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Speaker 2: are with us. Jack, did Chloe deserve a week suspensions?

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Speaker 2: It feels a bit harsh.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's actually a bad call from the speaker.

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Speaker 11: I think largely the speakers then done such a good

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Speaker 11: job during a pretty tricky term in parliament. But no,

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Speaker 11: I think serious, I think I think, yeah, I think

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Speaker 11: it's done a pretty reasonable job.

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Speaker 27: And Morris, no, no, Look, look you just talked about

1259
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Speaker 27: bringing up your little baby and teaching them things. One

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Speaker 27: of the things you teach your kids is you don't

1261
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 27: say if you carry on doing that, I'm going to

1262
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Speaker 27: send you to your room, and then they carry on

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Speaker 27: doing it. Keep on doing that.

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Speaker 9: No, he does that every day.

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Speaker 27: He says, if this carries on, if you keep speaking

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Speaker 27: like that, I'm going to sorry, and you know, day

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Speaker 27: after day. And then finally when he does something, he

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Speaker 27: does it with a megatun bomb, rather than is.

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Speaker 2: He going to sack that hard? Hey, you know what

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Speaker 2: gunny sacking is, Morris. It's when you put up with

1271
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: the crap that they're giving you and then you just

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Speaker 2: come at them with the lad Yeah, it's not even

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Speaker 2: a wooden spoon at this stage. It's like the begin

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Speaker 2: thing you can find.

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Speaker 27: He would have been better to have taken a few

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Speaker 27: more steps along the way up.

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Speaker 9: To this point, and I don't think you'd have ended up.

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Speaker 27: I mean that so many members of Parum Exponent that say, oh,

1279
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Speaker 27: we don't care, Deari's not serious. He never throws people out,

1280
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Speaker 27: he just threatens them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, Jack, listen, sorry we spoken of you.

1282
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Speaker 2: I would have put this sound to you just being

1283
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Speaker 2: a really nice guy. But carry on.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I mean perfectly plays in to close hands.

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Speaker 11: She's able to make it a point all the more forcefully.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure at the moment he sees you'll be out

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01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 11: for a week yesterday, she was secretly delighted in knowing that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 11: that megaton bomb was going to turn into a megaphone

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Speaker 11: for her. And so yeah, politically it's probably been que A.

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Speaker 2: Few are okay, but okay, so Jack, I know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the spineless. You're not allowed to say somebody

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Speaker 2: is spineless in the house. There are rules around that,

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Speaker 2: and you are you are directing it at people, which

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Speaker 2: is different to just dropping the sea bomb. But to

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Speaker 2: the average person looking at this, the fact that the

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Speaker 2: sea bomb is okay and spineless, isn't it looks ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I agree, No, I think it's crazy if she's

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Speaker 11: been kicked out for a week, and I think it's

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Speaker 11: just totally excessive. And yeah, I don't think there's kind

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Speaker 11: of consistency there. I mean, there are so many worse

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Speaker 11: things you could be called, and I just don't have

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Speaker 11: an issumer.

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Speaker 2: How Morris do you tidy up the standards in parliament?

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Speaker 2: If you don't, if you allow this kind of weird

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Speaker 2: thing to happen, where you could just drop the sea

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Speaker 2: bomb casually if you want to.

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Speaker 9: Well, what you have to do is nip it in

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Speaker 9: the bud. And this for months after months.

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Speaker 27: I'm one of these sad souls who at ten o'clock

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Speaker 27: at night, after I've got everything done, I often watch

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Speaker 27: question Time and I just see Jerry threatening over some days,

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Speaker 27: seven twelve to fifteen times.

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Speaker 9: I'll throw you'll be gone the member, and he never does.

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Speaker 27: Well, what that just does is credit environment where people

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Speaker 27: just carry on misbehaving, doing what they like, saying what

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Speaker 27: they want. I think if you'd nip things in the

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Speaker 27: bud Dowell there and said you carry on doing that,

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Speaker 27: you're out, and if someone did it, you say right,

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Speaker 27: you're gone, then people would realize he was serious.

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Speaker 9: I'm one of these.

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Speaker 27: People who will allow my opponents to say whatever the

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Speaker 27: hell they like about me, I'll die, and that it's

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Speaker 27: defending their right to say it. So I'm not a

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Speaker 27: big censorship person, but you do have to have and

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Speaker 27: is in Parliament. And I think you know, saying people

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Speaker 27: are going to look for a backbone is a breach

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Speaker 27: of the standards. But so so, I guess is a

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Speaker 27: c word although you're only quoting what somebody else said,

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Speaker 27: rather than it was a journalist that said it and

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Speaker 27: she was quite no, it's there is a difference.

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Speaker 2: No I know in one you're quoting what somebody said

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Speaker 2: and in the other you are accusing members on the

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Speaker 2: opposite side of sorry.

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Speaker 9: That's the difference. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of nuance thet Anyway, listen, Jack, I

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Speaker 2: haven't got long, but I know you're going to be

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Speaker 2: hot on this, so I want to hear what you've

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Speaker 2: got to say. Do you think taking kobu Maori out

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Speaker 2: of what year one to three reading books is okay?

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Speaker 11: I just don't think it's a good use of the

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Speaker 11: Education Minister's time. I think this is a case of

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Speaker 11: everyone leaning a bit too hard into their personal issues.

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Speaker 11: I think Erica Standard is totally committed to structured literacy.

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Speaker 11: That's fantastic, But do we really need her fussing over

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Speaker 11: a couple of words and a couple of books of

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Speaker 11: five year olds.

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Speaker 9: Probably not.

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Speaker 11: On the other side of the equation, to suggest that

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Speaker 11: this is some evidence of like a grand scheme to

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Speaker 11: suppress the Maori language is just totally disingenuous when the

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Speaker 11: Minister has demonstrably done things support reading in todayl Mardi.

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Speaker 11: So I just think everyone needs to come a farm

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Speaker 11: of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think Maris.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I think I agree with them. Jack. Do

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Speaker 9: you know what the word corpico means? Colla pico col

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Speaker 9: Pico's k o p i ko copico?

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Speaker 24: No No.

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Speaker 27: I tried out Tama Potacker and I tried out Shane

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Speaker 27: Jones because they both fluent. They didn't, but at have

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Speaker 27: picked big signs up around our saying waka corpico. And

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Speaker 27: it turns out it's the direction is where the fairies are.

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Speaker 27: And this is where I start to depart with things.

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Speaker 27: If you're going to use language that even fluent Malori

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Speaker 27: speakers don't know what the word means, the signs should

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Speaker 27: be saying fairies and so. And when I set up

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Speaker 27: twenty three Malori radio stations, I set up to Areo Kokopuairangi,

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Speaker 27: which you'll know is Tomomapaho. I was a big fan

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Speaker 27: of getting to promotion of Terreo and really getting it going.

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Speaker 27: But what I'm really concerned about is mixing it in

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Speaker 27: and having some words English some words Malori, because I

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Speaker 27: think if you come back in twenty years time, you

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Speaker 27: may have such a pigeon English, no tourists, no foreigner

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Speaker 27: sitting here with listening to our news or watching us

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Speaker 27: will have a bloody clue what those words mean.

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Speaker 2: Guys. It's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack,

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Speaker 2: Jay Morris Williams and seven Away from six It's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather because learning two things at once is always easier

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Speaker 2: than learning one thing at a time. A yet Steve

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Speaker 2: nails it. Obviously, it's harder if you're going to learn

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Speaker 2: two things at once. Listen, this is weird. Have you

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Speaker 2: seen this business with the mystery the mystery payment that

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Speaker 2: appeared in the oyster farmers accounts. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've kept abreast of this, but there's been quite this

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Speaker 2: little kafuffle going on up north of Auckland and the

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Speaker 2: Mahurangi Harbor with the oyster farmers they have had they've

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Speaker 2: basically I feel terrible for these guys, but they've basically

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Speaker 2: been shut down since December and have been unable to

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Speaker 2: do the oyster farming because water Care, the guys who

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Speaker 2: do the water in Auckland have basically been pumping pope

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Speaker 2: into the water.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know anything about oysters, but

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Speaker 2: you can't be eating poop. The oysters can't eat the pope,

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Speaker 2: because if the oysters eat the poop and then you

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Speaker 2: eat the oyster, you end up with Nora virus. Asked

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Speaker 2: two of my friends who ate the oysters while I

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Speaker 2: was pregnant to thank god I didn't it is. It's

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Speaker 2: a shaka. So anyway, as a result of that, these

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Speaker 2: guys business, it's just it's terrible for them. So they've

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Speaker 2: been in this space what appears to be a seven

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Speaker 2: year long battle with water Care about this anyway, The

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Speaker 2: other day, ten thousand dollars just appears in their account,

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Speaker 2: really random. They don't even know who it's from. They're like,

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Speaker 2: is this from water Care or is this from Aquaculture

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Speaker 2: New Zealand? Has water Care given it to Aquaculture New

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Speaker 2: Zealand to give it to us?

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Speaker 7: Where?

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Speaker 2: Does what's it for? Anyway, it turns out it is

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: actually from water Care and as a payment of ten

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for their well being. Well that's a laugh,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, Because I don't know if you know what's

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Speaker 2: going on and the extent of the problems up there.

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Speaker 2: But forty people who work across the oyster industry this

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: week have just been let go forty people. What do

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Speaker 2: you think ten thousand dollars this is going to do

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Speaker 2: for forty people? I mean, I think it's across five businesses,

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: so it works out at fifty thousand dollars. But fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars is not going to touch the sides of

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Speaker 2: what's going on out there anyway. I mean, when you

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: start giving little token bits of money like that and

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 2: then weirdly just randomly drop it in people's accounts, which

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Speaker 2: makes you look inredibly guilty. You shouldn't actually give any

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01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 2: money because it's not helping anyone and you're just you're

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: just wasting your own cash, aren't ye. Anyway, Let's have

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Speaker 2: a chat next to the PPTA. These are the this

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Speaker 2: is the union in charge of the strike that's happening

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Speaker 2: next Wednesday for secondary schools. Get their take on it. Next,

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Speaker 2: news talks EV.

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Speaker 14: What every window, what wind.

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Speaker 3: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The business hour, we had a duplicyl mass rusted at

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Speaker 1: Home Insurance Solutions newsst.

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Speaker 2: B Evening coming up in the next hour. The US

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Speaker 2: reporting season kicks off tomorrow. Milford Asset Management on that one.

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01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: In five Reserve Bank staff need to go. Janetib Cheriney

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: on that and Gavin Gray will do the UK for

1441
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: US at seven past six. Now bad news obviously if

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Speaker 2: you've got kids at secondary school, because teachers have announced

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01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: they're going to go on strike next Wednesday. They say

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Speaker 2: the government's payoffer of a three percent rise over three

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: years is unsatisfactory. Chris Abercrombie is the president of the

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Speaker 2: PBTA and with us. Hey Chris, good Annie, how are

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Speaker 2: you very well? Thank you sir. What does this mean?

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Speaker 2: No school little on Wednesday?

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Speaker 28: Ah?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so for seniorary schools though no members will be

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 18: at those schools next Wednesday. Unfortunately, there's a decision we've

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Speaker 18: had to the membership has had to make, teachers they've

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Speaker 18: had to make.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So have you conducted your your negotiations and good

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: faith because the Public Service Commissioner says you haven't.

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Speaker 18: I disagree with that. We're literally bargaining on Friday. It

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Speaker 18: was confirmed yesterday, so we're still at the table. We're

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Speaker 18: still bargaining. We've got a real well thought out claim

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 18: that deals with the needs of the sector. So yeah,

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Speaker 18: I disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: How do you put a counter offer on the table.

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Speaker 18: Well, we turned up with an offer. That's that's the

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Speaker 18: point of vague. We came with a claim. We said,

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Speaker 18: these are the things that need to meet the unmet

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Speaker 18: need in our sector. And so we're and we're willing

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Speaker 18: to discuss those So it's up to the government to

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Speaker 18: sort of do their part in this equation. We're doing ours,

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Speaker 18: So it's up to it's on the government side.

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Speaker 2: What's your claim?

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Speaker 18: Well, there's several passwords. There's obviously a pay claim. There's

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Speaker 18: also we need and cenders for curriculum leaders. We will

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Speaker 18: subject specialist advisors, teacher lead, PLD and development. We've got

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Speaker 18: so much change happening in the sector at the moment,

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Speaker 18: we need these really experienced leaders to be able to

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Speaker 18: support that change package through.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and what's your pay claim?

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Speaker 18: So it's a four percent the year for three years

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Speaker 18: and then plus another four percent in the first year

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Speaker 18: to recognize the removal of the pay equity claim that

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Speaker 18: we went almost about to settle but then was removed

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Speaker 18: with the origin law.

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Speaker 2: Hoden was that four percent a year for three years.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so four years, four year for three years at

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Speaker 18: plus a four percent and extra four percent in the

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Speaker 18: first year. Because of the removal of the pay equity

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Speaker 18: under urgency.

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Speaker 2: So eight percent in the first year, then four percent,

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Speaker 2: then four percent. Yep, Okay, do you think that's reasonable, Well, we.

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Speaker 18: Believe is what we need to meet to meet the needs.

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Speaker 18: We know we have an increasing shortage of teachers, we

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Speaker 18: have an increasingly complex work environment, and we need to

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Speaker 18: make sure we've got the skilled specialists in front of

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Speaker 18: our young people to implement the government change, but also

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Speaker 18: to maximize our young people to be the best they

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Speaker 18: can be.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look, I want the good ones to be

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Speaker 2: paid paid really well, I totally agree with you. But

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Speaker 2: didn't you get fourteen and a half percent two years ago?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: And we need we need more. We need We don't

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Speaker 18: have enough teachers, is the short answer, and we will

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01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 18: need more.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to get the money from? Where's the

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Speaker 2: government going to get the money from?

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Speaker 18: Well, the government can make decisions about where they spend

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Speaker 18: their money, and it's up for the government to decide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you're okay. If we start cutting stuff

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: like I don't know, reserve bank staff, so you can

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01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: get pay raisers.

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Speaker 18: The government has to make decisions that make so for instance,

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Speaker 18: tax cuts for landlords, for instance, or the decision they made.

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Speaker 18: They could make other decisions. It's up to the government

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01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 18: to decide how they spend their money. We believe the

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 18: best way is to support education.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Chris, I love you guys. I love a teacher.

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: I think you guys do excellent work, and I think

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: that the brilliant one should be paid heaps, and because

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01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: kids are the most important thing that we do right.

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Speaker 2: But I just think that you're going to lose the

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Speaker 2: confidence and you're going to lose the support of people.

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: This looks really grasping.

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Speaker 18: I disagree with that. We know parents want the best

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Speaker 18: of the kids. Teachers want the best of the kids.

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 18: We know parents support their local schools and their local

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 18: teachers and total.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else Chris named somebody else who was paid fourteen

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Speaker 2: and a half percent two years ago and then is

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01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: going to get eight percent and then four percent and

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01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: then four percent. That's not happening to anybody.

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Speaker 18: Well, we disagree. We think that this is really important.

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 18: It's what we need to meet the needs of our students.

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 18: We know there's increasing complex need in our schools and

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 18: we need to have a workforce ready to meet that.

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Speaker 2: Chris listen. Thanks very much, appreciate it. Chris Abercrombie, president

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Speaker 2: of the PPTA, I think you can see where this

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: is going. I don't think they're going to be flavor

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Speaker 2: of the month after this.

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Speaker 24: Are they?

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: Eleven past six?

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01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: Heather?

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: Do see how if you are in the Lower North

1542
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: Island you might have been feeling the shanks we've been getting,

1543
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: Paul says Heather. Big joelt here in Hawk's Bay went

1544
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: for his few seconds. Yeah, it was a four point

1545
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: nine er twenty k's south of Hastings, depth of thirty

1546
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: k's just before six o'clock. So that's what you felt.

1547
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: So you know, brace yourself for the after shocks, if

1548
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: there are going to be after shocks. By the way,

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01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: on the it feels to me a little bit like

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: I'm just feeling like Albanzi would have felt like a

1551
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: hero on Monday after he did today, after he went

1552
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: for the state of Palestine, because we all want a

1553
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: state of Palestine. Anybody right mind, it wants two state solution.

1554
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: I reckon ALBANIZI went to bed that night going, oh,

1555
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm a legend, I'm a legend. And then Hamas came

1556
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: out today and they were like here you're a llegiend.

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for that, and so then maybe not so much

1558
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: of a hero. And then Marco Rubio wigde in as well,

1559
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 2: he was speaking to WABC radio in New York.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, and first of all, it's largely meaningless, right, it's symbolic,

1561
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 28: and they're doing it primarily for one reason, and that

1562
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 28: is their internal politics. They're domestic politics. The truth of

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 28: the matter is that the future of that region is

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 28: not going to be decided by some UN resolution. It's

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 28: not going to be decided by some press release by

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Speaker 28: a prime minister or a president from some country.

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Speaker 9: It's going to be decided on the ground. In fact,

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 9: that a lot these statements are meaning.

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Speaker 28: It's like they're not, they're not can't change anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I went, yeah, bummer, that's true. Isn't

1571
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: it quite refreshing though, when people tell the truth out loud?

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Speaker 2: Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 2: Weill do it, don't We We overthink the big things,

1576
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Speaker 2: the job security, the mortgage rates at lump in our neck,

1577
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Speaker 2: and then we overthink the little things as well. What

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Speaker 2: night has been's night. Wise cheese become a luxury item

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Speaker 2: or butter. But as a member of MAS, the New

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Speaker 3: Heather do for CLA.

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: It's all on. The nurses have just announced they're going

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01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: to strike as well. They're going to be striking on

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: the second and the fourth of September and it will

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Speaker 2: involve fourteen thousand nurses. Don't tell me this isn't coordinated.

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Speaker 2: Do not tell me this isn't coordinated. Sixteen pass six. Michael, look,

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Speaker 2: Milford AIDT management is with us A Michael, Hey have it,

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Speaker 2: Okuess We've got the US inflation data for July out

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Speaker 2: last night. Good news or bad news for the economy

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: over there.

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Speaker 29: Well, we would call that inflation dot am mixed, but

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01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 29: it was better than some adfared given tar gariffs, and

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 29: we did see the US shaar market really on the

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 29: back of it last night. Now, looking at the numbers,

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 29: overall inflation stayed steady at two point seven percent. However,

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01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 29: core inflation, which strips out woldtil items like energy now

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01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 29: that was hired and expected up zero point three percent

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 29: in July and up three point one percent compared to

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 29: last year. So while reported inflation data was steady, underlying

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 29: inflation pressures in the US are growing with businesses done

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 29: to pass on tarifflated costs. And we have to remember

1614
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 29: a large proportion of those tariffs only came into effect

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01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 29: this month, so there's still is arrist that core inflation

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 29: continues to build throughout the year and the US as

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 29: businesses increase prices on tariff goods.

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Speaker 2: So with inflation looking I suppose we could say relatively tame,

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01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: are we going to start to see cuts in the rates.

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Speaker 29: There well after the data markets are now seeing a

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 29: ninety five percent chance of a fair rate cut next

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 29: month from eighty five percent the day before, so investors

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 29: think it's pretty certain that they'll cut rates next month.

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Speaker 29: With July inflation relatively steady and a weekening job market,

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 29: so there are now two to three FED rate cuts

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01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 29: expected this year, which requires tariffs to not have a

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 29: large impact on inflation or for the FED to cut anyway.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got the reporting season kicking off here tomorrow.

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: What should we be watching?

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Speaker 29: Well, While the US earning season is winding down here

1631
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 29: in New Zealand, we're just about to start when New

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 29: Zealand companies are going to report their results for the

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 29: past six months as well as given outlook on the future,

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 29: and generally we expect results are going to be pretty

1635
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,799
Speaker 29: soft given the tough economic environment. However, the real focus

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 29: for investors will be on whether company outlooks show signs

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Speaker 29: of improvement or not. Now, first up tomorrow is Vista Group.

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01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 29: They sell cinema software all around the world and we

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01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 29: think they could post a bit of a mixed result

1640
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 29: if the cinema is still under a bit of pressure

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01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 29: and a weaker US dollar impacting their revenue by the

1642
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 29: main focus for them will all be about whether they've

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01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 29: got strong customer demand or not for their new cloud products.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, and which earnings of the market going to

1645
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: be watching.

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 29: Well next week starts with a two milk on Monday,

1647
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 29: which is always an interesting result with their share price

1648
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 29: known to move sharply.

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 18: Up or down.

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01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 29: Now they sell infant formula into China, which can be

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 29: a difficult market to follow and always creates a bit

1652
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 29: of uncertainty going into results. And then the other one

1653
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Speaker 29: i'd call out is just Spark, which will report next Wednesday.

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01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 29: Now that will be an interesting result after them selling

1655
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 29: their data center business yesterday, and I think the real

1656
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 29: focus for investors will be on whether their earnings and

1657
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 29: their core business have stabilized or not, as well as

1658
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 29: what they do with the dividend and whether they cust

1659
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 29: it and by how much good stuff?

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Speaker 2: Michael, thanks for running us through at Michael Luke, Milford

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 2: Asset Management. Heather is Chris Abercrombie from the PPTA On

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Speaker 2: another planet. Thirty percent increase over five years, greedy buggers.

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 2: No other industry is getting increases of that value. Think

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: about that right in five years a thirty How good

1665
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: would a thirty percent pay? Would you put a pool in?

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you If you got a thirty percent pay increase,

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: you go out you buy yourself a new car, wouldn't you?

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01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: How good would a thirty percent You could probably buy

1669
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: yourself some butter for the first time in ages? How

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01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 2: good would a thirty percent pay increase be? I don't know,

1671
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: ask the asked the secondary school teacher in your life?

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: Hither I'm a teacher. I resigned from the PPTA today.

1673
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm told I have to give them a minimum of

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: two weeks notice, even though school's got only one week

1675
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: notice and they said schools only needed seventy two hours notice.

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: It is a stunt. It is a political stunt because

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: it took months to get to this point under the

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01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 2: previous government. Absolutely here the stuff the PPTA aka the

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: Labor Party and drag in centralized pay, bargaining, pay teachers

1680
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: on performance, give parents vouchers to fund schools in this

1681
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: union blackmail? What did I say? Not going to be

1682
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: on the right side of this. They're not going to

1683
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 2: have everybody loving them, are they? Six twenty one.

1684
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duo for clan of business hour and MAS

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Speaker 1: for trusted home insurance solutions.

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Speaker 2: News talks'd be whether if you gave me a thirty

1688
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: percent pay increase, I would swap from nylon carpet to wool.

1689
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 2: Me too, I'd really go bougie and get myself some

1690
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: wool carpet. Here here's a question that should be asked

1691
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: and clarified. Read the Marori cupoo and the text of

1692
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 2: Mary words it's koopoo Marti. What research did Moe and

1693
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: the authors used to decide it was a good move

1694
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: to have two languages in these texts. This introduction and

1695
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: foundation text is the first time it's being done, and

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: we do not know of another country that does this.

1697
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: So what evidence was there used to include it from

1698
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: the outset? Carla, you make a very good point. That

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01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: was the point I was trying to make, right. It's

1700
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 2: totally fine to be like and we have great evidence

1701
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 2: that it's fine, yes, But what's like what study was done?

1702
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: Because if you're going to do a study, you've got

1703
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 2: to have one group of kids who are doing it

1704
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 2: just with English words, and you gotta have the other

1705
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: group of kids who are doing with words from two languages,

1706
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: and then you compare them, don't you like?

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01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 5: That?

1708
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: Is how you do a study on that? Really of it? Now,

1709
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 2: that didn't do that? So I think it's fine to

1710
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: come here and says it's going well, but there is

1711
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: actually no evidence that it's going well. So then it's

1712
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: just basically a corbay or echo as to what we

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01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: think and commensate the sense would dictate you do one

1714
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: at a time, isn't it six twenty four? Here's your

1715
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: show business tonight? Yes, who's back?

1716
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 25: I love the idea of just spending time together. Now

1717
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 25: ways to show its people you care.

1718
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: Look at that?

1719
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 28: Oh my gosh, I could do this every day.

1720
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 2: Look at that. Yeah, you haven't heard from her in

1721
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 2: three seconds. So she's back, Megan. That's with love, Megan.

1722
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: That's the name of the show. The trailer for season

1723
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Speaker 2: two has dropped. This one's on Netflix. Remember the last?

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Speaker 2: It's the last? Remember the last? Is it's the last?

1725
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I don't really know it's the

1726
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: last in the season or something. Netflix decided not to

1727
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 2: renew the series. Was just that was what I was

1728
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 2: trying to get. As you can tell I'm still struggling

1729
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,839
Speaker 2: with my foundation text here to learn to read anyway.

1730
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: The trailer shows the Duchess of Sussex eating cheese and

1731
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: preparing snacks and drinks with her friends wonderful like gripping,

1732
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 2: gripping viewing. Season two will include famous guests like Chrissy Teagan,

1733
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: the model, and look, it's all as lovely as the

1734
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 2: first season.

1735
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,879
Speaker 3: There are easy ways to show up lovingly.

1736
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 2: She has given me a goose bump that is so lovely.

1737
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: It's lovely. But there's one notable person who's missing from

1738
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: the trailer, and that's Prince Harry. So that's not that lovely,

1739
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: is it. By the way, Oh, I forgot I need

1740
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: to tell you about last night. I went to block

1741
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: party and I'm trying to cheer you up after having

1742
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 2: to listen to that crap from her. I went to

1743
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 2: block party last night, which is very much I realized

1744
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: a punk band. And I didn't realize this when I

1745
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: was twenty years younger than I am now and listening

1746
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: to it the first time around. It was fantastic. It

1747
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: was really like it was. It took me a while

1748
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: to warm into it because, oh, look, I don't know

1749
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: if you remember, but Silent Alarm was their big album

1750
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: back in like two thousand and two, two thousand and three,

1751
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: round about there or whatever. They are a big deal

1752
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: out of the UK anyway. So I've moved on, had

1753
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 2: chill and got married, you know, become an adult ish

1754
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: and so I hadn't realized that i'd kind of grown

1755
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: up past block party. So I was I sat there

1756
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: and like it started, and it was. They're very kind

1757
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: of they're very industrial in their sound, like a little

1758
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: bit like joy to it.

1759
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Speaker 30: Hang hang on here, there are you saying that you

1760
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 30: and the concert club weren't the first people to charge

1761
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 30: into the circle as soon as it opened up.

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Speaker 2: It took me a full one and a half songs

1763
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 2: to kind of warm up to it. I was like, well,

1764
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: this is confronting anyway. We realized that we're old because

1765
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: on one side of me, one a member of the

1766
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: concert club, had ear plugs in she has to have special.

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01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 30: No, no, that's not a natthing. Everyone should do that at

1768
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 30: all concerts.

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Speaker 2: She has special doctor's ear plugs because she's old. The

1770
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: other one tried to put her jacket on and ripped

1771
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: a rotator cuff and then we saw Andrew Dickens. That's

1772
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: how old we are.

1773
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Speaker 27: I know.

1774
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Speaker 2: Don't tell Andrew I said that. But when he saw them,

1775
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I thought this was a cool concept.

1776
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: What's Andrew doing here? Anyway? The lighting was awesome, the

1777
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: band were great. We had a wonderful time and now

1778
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: we're absolutely exhausted. Wingless leap for three days here they are,

1779
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: By the way, how punky is this when you listen

1780
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 2: to it today? Next says, oh, I's been days the

1781
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: big shot.

1782
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Speaker 5: Way up classes. Oh I shut the fall out for

1783
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 5: a while, Way up classes, honor been at that.

1784
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: Part child, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1785
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy, Allen

1786
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: and Mez for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, Use Talks Eppy.

1787
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Speaker 8: Ten seven True, nobody knows.

1788
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 21: The hill.

1789
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: Chloe is getting what she wants, which is publicity. That

1790
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: is a very good point. Chloe has been all of

1791
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 2: the the news. She's been all over our bulletins. I

1792
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: saw her on TV three doing an interview, Yes, pushed.

1793
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: She had a really nice shirt on it. I should

1794
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: probably text her and ask her where she got. Just

1795
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: quite nice. It's a nice khaki shirt. We're nice with her.

1796
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: She's got she's got the she's got the kfel of course,

1797
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: but it's the I've actually got this one at home.

1798
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: There's an admission. It's the bottle green one. And the

1799
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: contrast between the shirt and the KFA on the news

1800
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Speaker 2: was actually quite nice. Do you think that they have

1801
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 2: in the Green Party currently? I don'tt to make light

1802
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: of this situation too much because it is quite serious,

1803
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: but of what is actually going on in Gaza. But

1804
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 2: do you think that they've just got like a stack

1805
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: of them and they just they Somebody stands there as

1806
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: the Greens are headed off into the house and they

1807
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: go go tack take one and I have you got

1808
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: anyone in the red ones? He got easy read one

1809
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: for you. Do you think that they just hand them

1810
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: out to them like at my workplace we get handed

1811
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 2: out lanyard's and pens, but they get KFA. Wouldn't be surprised.

1812
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Speaker 2: Interesting The Royal editor of the Telegraph has been ringing

1813
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 2: around her sources this week because there's a lot going

1814
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Speaker 2: on with the Royals. Obviously got has assigning the deal

1815
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: with Netflix, and then you've got the problem with the

1816
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: charity that he's had got Andrew with the book and

1817
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 2: the Epstein stuff bubbling along, and Anne's actually about to

1818
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Speaker 2: celebrate her seventy fifth birthday. So the Royal Editor of

1819
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 2: the Telegraph's been ringing around, you know, trying to trying

1820
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: to get some involve what's going on stuff. She says,

1821
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: this is her takeaway from ringing around this week. She

1822
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 2: has found it difficult to track down anyone who had

1823
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 2: anything nice to say about Andrew. But she also has

1824
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: found it difficult, nih on impossible, she said, to find

1825
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: someone who had something bad to say about Anne. So

1826
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Speaker 2: what does that tell you? Twenty three away from seven,

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupless, the Reserve Bank is cutting twenty percent of

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Speaker 2: its staff in a bid to unwind a massive hiring

1829
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Speaker 2: spree by Adrian Or. The restructure that is proposed would

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Speaker 2: see a net reduction of one hundred and forty two

1831
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: roles that includes thirty five that are already vacant. Jane

1832
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Speaker 2: Chipschraney is The Herald's Wellington Business edit and with us

1833
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: right now, Hey, Juana, hey, Heather. Sounds like a big cut,

1834
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Speaker 2: but actually when you go back to what they were hiring,

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Speaker 2: where they were at what six or seven years ago.

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Speaker 3: Not really, is it?

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Speaker 28: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Exactly.

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Speaker 31: So the proposal at the Reserve Bank at the moment

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Speaker 31: is to cut one hundred and forty two rolls. That

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01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 31: would come on top of fifteen roles being cut.

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Speaker 6: Early in the year.

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Speaker 31: Those were sort of leadership roles. Now, if that all

1844
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 31: goes ahead, that would only take staffing levels back to

1845
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 31: what they were in twenty twenty three. God so yeah,

1846
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Speaker 31: So in January this year there were six hundred and

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01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 31: sixty staff at the bank and the cuts proposed would

1848
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Speaker 31: take it back to twenty twenty three. So Adrian Or

1849
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 31: definitely did go on a hiring spree or the people

1850
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Speaker 31: around him towards the end of his time at the bank.

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Speaker 31: You know, I don't want to get two in the weeds.

1852
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 31: But basically, the Reserve Bank did do a big spend

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01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 31: up in twenty twenty four because it collected up money

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Speaker 31: that it hadn't spent in previous years. Like it gets

1855
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 31: an envelope of funding from the government five the envelope,

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 31: it collected up its underspends in previous years and then

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Speaker 31: spent it all in twenty twenty four. And that's the

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01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 31: year that there was really that spike in staffing, so

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01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 31: that that was controversial and that Nicola Willis has since

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01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 31: come out and said, no, Brave Bank, you can't do

1861
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 31: that again.

1862
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 10: You have to spend the money every year.

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Speaker 31: But that's where the funding came from for that big jump.

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Speaker 2: Do we have any idea what kind of roles they're cutting.

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Speaker 31: Well, the Reserve Bank has been typically you know, not

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01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 31: particularly forthcoming with information, but it has said that it'll

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 31: be enterprise services and operations. So it seems like that

1868
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 31: is stuff that isn't you know. It's not the economics team,

1869
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 31: it's not the team that regulates the banks and insurers,

1870
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 31: but it's more like strategy, stakeholder engagement, risk compliance, governance,

1871
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 31: general counsel people and culture, technology, finance, finance and data.

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Speaker 31: So it sounds like those are the areas that will

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01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 31: suffer the deepest cuts, whereas you know, economics, money and cash,

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01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 31: crudential policy, that type of thing won't be hit as hard.

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Speaker 2: I talked about ASB they announced their results today. What

1876
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: is that thirty three million dollars that they've set aside

1877
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 2: for possible payouts?

1878
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 31: Good question, and the ASB CEO Victoria Shorts, she wouldn't

1879
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 31: tell me that today.

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Speaker 10: So she said it was quite normal.

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Speaker 31: You know, if the bank sees that there's been a breach,

1882
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 31: it'll go to the regulators, or the regulators will come

1883
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 31: to it and they'll they'll work together and then the

1884
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Speaker 31: bank will put money aside to potentially compensate customers for

1885
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 31: that breach. Now we don't know what that is. We

1886
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 31: don't know if it's one breach or several breaches. But

1887
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 31: thirty three million Australian dollars that the bank has put

1888
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 31: aside as pretty material in the scheme of ASB. So

1889
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 31: presumably in time we'll find out what that's for and

1890
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 31: find out what ASB has done wrong.

1891
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, thanks very much, you know. Jane Debshraini, the

1892
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Speaker 2: Heralds Wellington Business editor, twenty away from seven.

1893
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Speaker 3: Together for c Allen.

1894
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Speaker 2: Did I or did I not predict that there would

1895
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 2: be heaps of exemptions to that rule out of Victoria

1896
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: that requires people to be able to work from home

1897
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: two days a week if they want to. This is

1898
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: the just into Alan thing right when just Into Alan

1899
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 2: announced this, like it's just nutty. You can't say to

1900
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: an entire an entire state's workforce that they're allowed to

1901
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: just work from home for two days a week if

1902
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 2: it suits them. It's so nutty because I mean, there

1903
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 2: are obviously so many work workplaces where that is not

1904
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: a possibility. Firefighters cannot work from home. My job I

1905
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: cannot do from home. The dudes who clean your bathroom

1906
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: cannot work from home. So you're just going to have

1907
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: heaps of carve outs. And sure enough, that's exactly what's

1908
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: happening they are at the moment they are saying they

1909
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: will absolutely most well I think i'm proper proven words

1910
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: in her mouth. Absolutely maybe be exempting small businesses and

1911
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 2: also employees who are on probation. But they are currently

1912
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 2: seeking feedback from employers and employees on the quote real

1913
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 2: world experience of flexible working, including what's fair, what's practical,

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01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 2: and what's already working. So I would say that when

1915
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: they're finished with that consultation, which I think lasts for

1916
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: seven days, there will be heaps more exemptions, because it's

1917
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 2: very nice idea to do this, Like many ideas from

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01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: Disint's fellow, you know her ilk on the left, nice

1919
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: ideas when you actually experience them in reality, don't really work.

1920
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: But on that subject, it also looks like more is

1921
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 2: coming at the Australian workforce because the union movement has

1922
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: now indicated it's going to push for a four day

1923
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: work week at the Albanesi Government's economic roundtable next week.

1924
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: So that's gonna get really interesting. I mean, that's gonna

1925
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: be interesting. That's gonna be awesome. Time in Victoria, isn't

1926
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: it if you only have to work four days a

1927
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 2: week because that's the new Australia rule four days a week,

1928
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: but then two of them have to be at home.

1929
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: I mean, heck geez, you only actually have to work

1930
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 2: two days a week in Victoria then, because you know,

1931
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: when you're at home, you're not actually working, like we

1932
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: know you're not working, you're just just occasionally going and

1933
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 2: moving the mouse. But then you're doing the dryer and

1934
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: the casserole and tending to the children and making your

1935
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Speaker 2: bed and watching Netflix two days a week for five

1936
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Speaker 2: days a week. Pay, I'm moving there, aren't you? Seventeen

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Speaker 2: away from SEV.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the Big Corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Dup, c Ellen and MAS for Trusted Home

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Speaker 1: Insurance Solutions News Talks NB.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, I actually should have updated you

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Speaker 2: on this earlier because we are making a point now

1943
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Speaker 2: of talking about what's happening to the kids in this country,

1944
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Speaker 2: that we remember the case of the toddler last week

1945
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Speaker 2: in the suitcase on the bus up north Well. The woman,

1946
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Speaker 2: the mother of the toddler has appeared in court today.

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Speaker 2: She is asking for permanent name suppression. Judge is not

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Speaker 2: dealing with it at the moment. I think she's due

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Speaker 2: to reappear in October or something like that. Judge is

1950
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Speaker 2: going to deal with it then. But also her fitness

1951
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Speaker 2: to stand trial was raised, so I think you can

1952
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: probably put two and two together about what kind of

1953
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Speaker 2: a person puts a baby in a suitcase and then

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Speaker 2: their fitness to stand trial and kind of deduce something

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Speaker 2: from that. Fourteen away from seven. Really interesting thing has

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Speaker 2: appeared in the papers about depression, which I find fascinating

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Speaker 2: because I was always under the impression that there is

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Speaker 2: just one type of depression. In basically, it's your option.

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01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: Do you want to exercise and eat healthy and sleep

1960
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Speaker 2: your way out of it and CBTU way out of it?

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Speaker 2: Or do you want to take the antideprisiants not so

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Speaker 2: Actually different types of depressions so hanging I can run

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Speaker 2: you through that shortly with us right now, as Devin

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Speaker 2: Gray are UK correspondent, Hello, Gevin Hi the hell all right?

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Speaker 2: So complete about face from the police now and they

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Speaker 2: are going to give us the ethnicities, are they?

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Speaker 32: Yes, that looks like the guidance that's been issued to them.

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01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,799
Speaker 32: However it is fairly wooly and still allows each different

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01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 32: force to sort of go about things in a different way.

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Speaker 32: So here in the UK the police are different, split

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01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 32: in different geographical regions, of course, and they all have

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01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 32: their own bosses. But what now the National Police Chiefs

1973
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 32: Council is saying is that they should be encouraged to

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01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 32: disclose the ethnicity and nationality of suspects charged in high

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01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 32: profile and sensitive investigations. Again, so much of this is

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01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 32: open to their interpretation. What the aim, of course is

1977
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 32: is to reduce through to public safety where there are

1978
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 32: high levels of misinformation about an incident, and that of

1979
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,879
Speaker 32: course very much follows on a series of high profile

1980
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 32: cases now, some of which have led to some violence

1981
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 32: or protests on the streets. So there was a series

1982
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 32: of high profile cases in I guess the last couple

1983
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 32: of months, including two men reported to be Afghan asylum

1984
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 32: seekers charged over the alleged rape of a twelve year

1985
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 32: old girl in the Midlands, and of course people got

1986
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 32: immediately very very upset about that and they want more

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Speaker 32: information from the police. This all stems incidentally, from just

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01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 32: over a year ago with the awful stabbing of those

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Speaker 32: young girls during a dance summer dance class in Southport

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Speaker 32: in northwest England, where information about the man who was

1991
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 32: now in prison for it as or Ruder Bakhana, was

1992
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 32: spreading like wildfire across the across the social media. It

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01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 32: was false in that he was not an asylum seeker,

1994
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 32: but parts of it were true in that his parents

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Speaker 32: have come from Africa, etc. So that's why they tried

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01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 32: to do that, and that's why there was another incident

1997
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 32: you'll remember the Liverpool football club parade was rammed into

1998
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 32: by a car. The police very quickly said this is

1999
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Speaker 32: a man from Liverpool who is a British national. So

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Speaker 32: there are changes and now this will I make it

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01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 32: slightly easier for the police to get through this puzzle

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Speaker 32: of how much information to release?

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Speaker 2: Ye here enough, how's it going with the migrant arrivals via.

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01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 32: Boat Well, there is now a target that the new

2005
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 32: Labor government here will not have wanted to have hit

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Speaker 32: so early, So thirteen months in to their government, the

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01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 32: politicians have had to admit that now the number of

2008
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Speaker 32: people crossing in small boats has passed fifty thousand. The

2009
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 32: figures were updated about twelve fourteen hours ago and were

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01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 32: updated where a further four hundred and seventy four arrived

2011
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 32: in a single day. Labor when they came to power,

2012
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 32: pledged to smash the peace people, gus, smuggling gangs and

2013
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 32: reduced channel crossing numbers. But opponents saying, look, this is

2014
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 32: just a slogan. You've done nothing. You've lost control of

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Speaker 32: the borders. This fifty thousand figure is thirteen thousand higher

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Speaker 32: than for the same period last year. The government's pointing

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01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 32: to its new one in one out returns deal that

2018
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 32: we were reporting on a week or so ago, Heather,

2019
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 32: and they say it's going to act as a de terror. Well,

2020
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Speaker 32: there's no sign of it working yet, and plenty of

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01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 32: people in this country field. We've been taken for a.

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Speaker 2: Ride, Devin. Where do the cops get all these flesh

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Speaker 2: cars from?

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Speaker 32: They have finally grown wise to the fact that many

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01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 32: people predominantly from the Middle East and very wealthy ship over.

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01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 32: They're very very expensive racing cars into the center of

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01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 32: London to show them off to their friends each summer

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Speaker 32: and then ship them back to their country.

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Speaker 3: Of where they live.

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Speaker 32: And we are talking incredible wealthare including an identical pair

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Speaker 32: of perp Lamborghinis. Anyway, police have been told by many

2032
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 32: local residents that the driving around of these very noisy,

2033
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 32: very high performance vehicles, particularly at night, has become quite

2034
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 32: dangerous and so they've seized seventy two vehicles worth about

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01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 32: fourteen million South African rand in a three day operation

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Speaker 32: across some very Swiss boroughs of Southwest London, High Park, Kensington, Chelsea.

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01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 32: The drivers have been issued with tickets for a variety

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Speaker 32: of motioning offenses and this is very interesting, Heather, including

2039
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 32: driving with no insurance, no driving license, they've either been disqualified,

2040
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 32: false documentation and the use of fraudulent number plates. Now

2041
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 32: lots of them bring carst to the UK, assuming their

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01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 32: insurance in their home country is valid here in the

2043
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 32: UK it often is not, their driving licenses often not.

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01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 32: And the idea that some other are disqualified, have no

2045
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 32: insurance and are driving around the center of London he

2046
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 32: frankly alarming.

2047
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey, thank you very much for that. Gavin appreciated

2048
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent Nine Away from Seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather tooper Cee Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb.

2051
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: Here the Why died Gavin converts to South African rands.

2052
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 2: Does he know you live in New Zealand? I noticed

2053
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: that as well. What happens is that Gavin does a

2054
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: lot of Gavin talks to a lot of people around

2055
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: the world. Right, He's not just giving us the news

2056
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: out of the UK. He's doing a whole bunch and

2057
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 2: he'll be doing a whole bunch of South African radio

2058
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: stations as well. And so maybe what he did, I

2059
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe he just had a brain fade. Maybe

2060
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: he just looked at it and went out duplasy, must

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Speaker 2: be it South AFRAA No, not at all. That's rude.

2062
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Speaker 2: And what he did, you know what he did? He

2063
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: typecast me, didn't he He's stereotype. That's racist, that's what

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01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: he is. He was racist against me anyway. So I

2065
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 2: was gonna tell you about the depression. Right, everybody thinks, oh,

2066
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: we all just assume there's one kind of depression and

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01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: you can cure it. However, what you can choose how

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01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: you want to cure it. You want to take the antidepressants,

2069
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 2: or maybe you want to exercise your way out of it,

2070
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 2: and you know, do all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 22: Not so.

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01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 2: The researchers at the Washington University School of Medicine and

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01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Saint Louis found that there are actually three key types

2074
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 2: of depression, and I mean, you know, the more they

2075
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 2: look into us, the more this is going to expand

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01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: into other types as well. But three key types. First

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01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 2: type is where you feel sad but you still get

2078
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 2: up and do your stuff right, but you just feel

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01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:25,560
Speaker 2: miserable the whole time. The second type of depression is

2080
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 2: that you don't feel sad, but you just can't be faffed.

2081
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 2: You've just got such low motivation you want to go

2082
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 2: to like you know, you know, you know, the one

2083
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 2: where you wake up in the morning you're like, oh,

2084
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 2: I can't wait until like I go to sleep at night.

2085
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: I just can't be bothered with all of this. That's

2086
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: a different type of depression. And then you've got the

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01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: third type of depression, which is combo of both, and

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01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 2: a lot of people get that as well. That's when

2089
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 2: you feel sad, and you also feel unmotivated and you

2090
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 2: just don't know what to do with yourself. Now, the

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01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 2: importance of the fact that they have figured out that

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01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 2: there are different types of depression is that it means

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01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: that you want to treat them differently, right, so they

2094
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: will require different treatment. So if you've just got the

2095
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 2: low mood, you feel sad but you can do things,

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01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 2: then probably the best best treatment they think for you

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: is an antidepressant or maybe cognitive behavioral therapy and other

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01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 2: talking therapies and stuff like that. If you've got the sadness,

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01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: the whammy of them, the double whammy where you got

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Speaker 2: the sadness and you don't want to do stuff, then

2101
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 2: they reckon mindfulness is actually the one that's good for you.

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01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 2: On that it's just been grateful for all the stuff

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01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 2: around you, working your way out of it like that.

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01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 2: If you've got like really really really deep sadness, then

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01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,560
Speaker 2: you need what they say is deep brain stimulation and

2106
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 2: transcranial magnetic stimulation, which feels to me like it freaks

2107
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Speaker 2: me out. It feels like electricity involved with your brain there.

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01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 2: And if you've just got the low low motivation, like

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Speaker 2: you're not sad, but you just can't be fasted with life.

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01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 2: Then it's excellent exercise or marshes.

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Speaker 11: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: They reckon. They reckon also that they've discovered there's a

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01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 2: thing that's going on with inflammation in the body. So

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01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 2: people who are depressed often have inflammation elsewhere in their body.

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01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: And that's interesting because often maybe that if you've got

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01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 2: inflammation and in the rest of your body, you got

2117
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 2: inflammation in your brain, and maybe that's causing your depression.

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01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 2: They reckon. They don't know what's going on there yet,

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01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 2: but in five years they will, so hey, maybe we

2120
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: are getting closer and closer to actually figuring out why

2121
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 2: people get gloomy.

2122
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 30: And Santa Gold lies Artists to play us out tonight.

2123
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 30: Santa Gold's that singing elis Artistas is a song Santa

2124
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 30: Gold is going to be playing at Rhythm and Alps

2125
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 30: Festival at the end of the year. Of the New Year,

2126
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,600
Speaker 30: a couple of it. The whole lineup's been announced. The

2127
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 30: other headline is Rudimental and this one will be controversial

2128
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,799
Speaker 30: Dizzy Rascal, Who've gotten There was a bit of controversy

2129
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 30: the last time he was announced in the New Year's

2130
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 30: Festival because domestic violence Convection MAC in the UK. But yeah,

2131
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 30: there we also Dombrisky canein interruptive him a whole bunch.

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Speaker 9: Of other people.

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Speaker 2: Look, will we say Santa Gold? Is it like s

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01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 2: A N T I g o ld?

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01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 30: I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing it wrong.

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01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 2: It sounded like Santa couls, So I just wanted to

2137
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: clarify that.

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01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 30: Yeah, all one word as well.

2139
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for that, and so it sounds fascinating. Hey,

2140
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 2: enjoy the evening. We will see you again tomorrow. News Talk.

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