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Speaker 1: If you want to reason as to why we might

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Speaker 1: not be traveling that, well, how about the Q three

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Speaker 1: data from the Drug Detection Agency. So we got the

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Speaker 1: cannabis that's now present in seventy one percent of positive

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Speaker 1: tests up eight percent. Why wouldn't it be twenty three

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Speaker 1: percent test are positive for amphetamine type substances. A significant

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Speaker 1: increase on the old cocaine. Good stuff. Glenn Dobson's the

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Speaker 1: Drug Detection Agency CEO. Good morning, Yeah, goodbody, Mike. Just

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Speaker 1: for clarification sake, this is workplace testing, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, The most of the testing we do are

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Speaker 2: in workplaces.

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Speaker 1: Right. So if I'm just trying to find out what

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Speaker 1: sort of picture we're painting for New Zealand, if I

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Speaker 1: round up one hundred random workplaces, are there drugs in

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Speaker 1: all of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Look a good question. It's a decent snapshot of

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Speaker 2: I guess New Zealand workplaces. You know, the positivity rate

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Speaker 2: in this last quarter is just under four percent. So

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Speaker 2: in in another way of looking at it, go to workplace.

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Speaker 2: You've got one hundred workers on average, four of them

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Speaker 2: are potentially impaired by drugs.

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Speaker 1: But if I went to a forestry business as opposed

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Speaker 1: to an accounting business as opposed to a retail shop.

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Speaker 1: Surely i'd find vast differences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Possibly. Traditionally drug testing has been what we describe

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Speaker 2: as safety sensitive industries or blue collar industries, but that's

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Speaker 2: been changing a lot over the last several years, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of white collar businesses are drug testing now

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Speaker 2: looking at brand protection, risk mitigation, that type of thing

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the variance in drugs does it tell you

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Speaker 1: anything that there's a lot of versus a lot of

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Speaker 1: meth versus a lot of coke? What's that tell us?

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a really good oversight of what's happening

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Speaker 2: out there in society and ration to supply of drugs.

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Speaker 2: Cannabis is always high ineration to our positivity rates, but

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Speaker 2: certainly in the latest quart of methamphetamine is down slightly.

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Speaker 2: Opioids is pretty steady, that's no surprise, and operoids has

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Speaker 2: been steady for a while, which is a real concern.

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Speaker 2: And are we staying to follow the trends of global use?

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Speaker 1: Do you find I mean lot you work in it,

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Speaker 1: do you find this depressing? I just find this just

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Speaker 1: unbelieve believably depressing.

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Speaker 2: Depressing. No, fascinating. It's dynamic, it's changing. We're affected by

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Speaker 2: a number of factors, both local and global economies and

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Speaker 2: supply Chaine and so forth. I look at it as

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Speaker 2: I want my friends, my families, my colleagues to be safe.

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Speaker 2: And that's we want to do here, is we want

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Speaker 2: to eradicate the risk of drugs in the workplace, of

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Speaker 2: pill can be safe?

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Speaker 1: Is it about safety as much as it is about

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Speaker 1: I don't know morals or behavior or the dichotomy that

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Speaker 1: faces New Zealand. At the moment. All I see is

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Speaker 1: a country that's got problems. And then I talk to

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Speaker 1: a person like you and we're all on drugs, and

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Speaker 1: I think, well, there's join a couple of dots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I guess the moral ethical question is something

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Speaker 2: that that political parties and society will grapple with for

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Speaker 2: years to come. From our perspective, it is purely about safety.

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Speaker 2: We we were to take a judgment coordination to why

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Speaker 2: people take drugs. The civil situation is we don't want

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Speaker 2: the pilot, we don't want the surgeon, we don't want

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Speaker 2: the person driving the truck good their roads to be

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Speaker 2: affected by drugs.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Glenn appreciate it Glenn Dobson Drug Detection Agency.

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