1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 2: A Thomas Heather. Good afternoon, So Luxean's back. How's he going? 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 3: Oh? Look, he looks he got back on Friday. He's 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 3: looking pretty well rested, so I assume he had a 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: bit of a sleep this weekend. He was all about 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: foreign a fair as you'd expect in this post cabinet 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: press conference, which just wrapped up some comments about his travels. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: He's been away for quite a long time for Prime Minister, 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. I mean basically the takeaway obviously 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: as he went to China, our big trading partner, and 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: then NATO where he met up with some of our 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: big security partners, not allies, but partners, and he basically says, look, 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: you know, we'd like both, and you can have both. 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 3: You can have trade and you can have security, and 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: you can't have one without the other. You need a 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 3: secure world in order to have trade. But obviously he's 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: not keen to wade into the fact that those security 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: partners are taking a pretty dim view of the actions 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: of our trading partner China. 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Now what do you make of these law and order 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: changes that have come out? 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: Well, they obviously the government's in a bit of a 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: pickle with its polling, I mean, and some of these 24 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: have just are just taking effect over the weekend. So 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: for example, the applying a cap sorry capping that the 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 3: discounts that judges can apply for mitigating factors of up 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: to forty percent there was announced on the campaign trail 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: and it was legislated a little while ago. It takes 29 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: effect now other stuff as a result of the coalition 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: agreement with New Zealand. First, so this big crackdown on 31 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: coward punches, so you can get up to life imprisonment 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: now on well, sorry, you will be able to get 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: life imprisonment. And once the changes go through. 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: That is presumably if the person dies, right, correct. 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: So that is if it has ruled a homicide. Then 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: then then if the if the attach leads to death 37 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 3: and it has ruled a homicide, then that that leads 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: to a maximum penalty of life in prisonment. 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Could it be Thomas, Should it be? 40 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: Look, I'll leave that once to the vote. 41 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: Because because I mean, just just think about it like this, right, 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: if you go up to somebody, and if someone goes 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: up to somebody and stabs them in the gut. 44 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: And they die. 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: That's a homicide, isn't it. Definitely yes, yes, because you 46 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: understand the effect of a knife in someone's stomach, so 47 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: surely if somebody gets If you punch somebody in the 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: back of the head and they fall on the ground 49 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: and die, there equally should be a homicide. Because we've 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: seen too much of this. We understand the effect of 51 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: punching somebody who's not expecting a punch and then falling. 52 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was some I mean advocates have 53 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: called for this for a long time. We even saw 54 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: there was some I believe that either the last parliament 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 3: or the parliament before last there was a member's bill 56 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: that was introduced to increase the penalties for these coward punches. 57 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: So it is very very popular. We haven't actually seen 58 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: any of the advice from the officials, but certainly like 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: in the PM sort of alluded to this in Postcave 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: today as someone asked about whether or not there should 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: be an advertising campaign launched to warn people of the 62 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: effects of coward punches, and he basically said, well, look, 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: people know that it's wrong to hit someone, don't do it. 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: You don't need to avitate that you don't need to 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: been public money telling people that we're heading people's wrong. 66 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, because because someone who throws a coward 67 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: punk coward punch is obviously going to be tuned into whatever. 68 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Someone would watch a TV and think, you know what 69 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to I won't hit something with that one. 70 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, might not do that, might just stab them in 71 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: the bicep. All right now, mate, you pointed this out 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: to us. We weren't aware of this, but the family 73 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: boost is supposed to Nichola Willis was going to make 74 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: some changes to boost the uptake and she was due 75 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: to announce it by the end of the month, which 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: is today. 77 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: Which is today is the announcement. Well, the announcement, so 78 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: we asked the Prime Minister about this. This is the 79 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: seventy five dollars a week that you get if you 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: have a child in early childhood education. Only a tiny 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: number of people were getting the full amount, and actually 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: not as many people were getting the creators the government 83 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: wanted to Nichola Willis. As you say, SITU didn't announce 84 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: changes by the end of the month and has not. 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister said and post cabinet press conference 86 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: today that the decision has been made, so the cabinets 87 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: agreed to something and what that decision is is going 88 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: to be announced shortly, very shortly apparently. So I know 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: you've got Nicola Willison on your show this evening. 90 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: So it's going to be on our show, is it, Thomas? 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? 92 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, last before the end of the month, isn't it. 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: I know she has what's about seven hours, so yes, 94 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: so I take up the opportunity, Thomas. 95 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: You've built me up. 96 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: She better not disappointed. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 97 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. 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