1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talk SAB. 3 00:00:12,973 --> 00:00:15,013 Speaker 2: Thank you for your text, Jack, Money, money, money, It 4 00:00:15,053 --> 00:00:17,773 Speaker 2: all comes down to money, money. Let Rugby League also 5 00:00:17,893 --> 00:00:21,653 Speaker 2: has head knocks, but it also has money. This has 6 00:00:21,693 --> 00:00:24,693 Speaker 2: been Yeah, that's true. It's interesting. I mean AFL also 7 00:00:24,893 --> 00:00:29,773 Speaker 2: has has head knocks. I do think the marketing around 8 00:00:29,933 --> 00:00:33,533 Speaker 2: NRL and certainly like the TV spectacle of NRL has 9 00:00:33,573 --> 00:00:36,293 Speaker 2: current left rugby in the dust over the last few years, 10 00:00:36,413 --> 00:00:39,573 Speaker 2: and honestly even the TV spectacle for AFL seems do 11 00:00:39,693 --> 00:00:44,053 Speaker 2: pretty well. But thank you for that, Ben Jack. I 12 00:00:44,173 --> 00:00:46,853 Speaker 2: yearned for the days of David Campese and his goose 13 00:00:46,853 --> 00:00:50,213 Speaker 2: steps is Roy. Yeah, I'm not sure I necessarily yearned 14 00:00:50,253 --> 00:00:52,053 Speaker 2: to see the all backs Ben goose step, but you're 15 00:00:52,093 --> 00:00:54,533 Speaker 2: right that was a golden era literally for the Wallabies, 16 00:00:54,813 --> 00:00:58,533 Speaker 2: Pauline Jack. It's just like the Nfilly Shield. I suppose 17 00:00:58,573 --> 00:01:01,493 Speaker 2: the Bledderslow used to be so prominent, but life used 18 00:01:01,493 --> 00:01:03,573 Speaker 2: to say, life used to stop on a Saturday just 19 00:01:03,573 --> 00:01:06,333 Speaker 2: for the Renfilly Shield. Yeah, things do change other time. 20 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:08,453 Speaker 2: I suppose ninety two ninety two. If you want to 21 00:01:08,453 --> 00:01:10,053 Speaker 2: send us a message, don't forget that. If you're sending 22 00:01:10,093 --> 00:01:12,893 Speaker 2: us a standard text costs supply. You can email me 23 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:15,053 Speaker 2: as well if you've got something longer to say. Seventeen 24 00:01:15,093 --> 00:01:18,293 Speaker 2: past nine. Kevin Milne is with us this morning, Keildi. 25 00:01:18,013 --> 00:01:22,733 Speaker 3: Kevin, Morning Jack. It's a very interesting the sole thing 26 00:01:22,773 --> 00:01:28,773 Speaker 3: about the rugby versus league thing. I don't know whether 27 00:01:28,773 --> 00:01:32,333 Speaker 3: you watched the Cowboys shirts match last night, the quarterfinal. 28 00:01:32,573 --> 00:01:34,693 Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't. Last night. I saw the result. 29 00:01:34,893 --> 00:01:39,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned the TV spectacle of ben r last night. 30 00:01:39,173 --> 00:01:42,173 Speaker 3: There were two penalties, yeah, two in the entire game. 31 00:01:42,773 --> 00:01:45,533 Speaker 2: I mean, I love rugby, I really, and I played 32 00:01:45,573 --> 00:01:48,133 Speaker 2: rugby until I was eighteen, you know, I was. I 33 00:01:48,213 --> 00:01:50,653 Speaker 2: was a keen. It's not very talented rugby player. But 34 00:01:52,293 --> 00:01:56,093 Speaker 2: I watched rugby games and the refereeal make a call 35 00:01:56,133 --> 00:02:00,453 Speaker 2: at the breakdown and I literally don't understand it. Does 36 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:04,533 Speaker 2: something happened there like that? And so yeah, I mean 37 00:02:04,573 --> 00:02:07,253 Speaker 2: the simplicity with you know, with some of the you know, 38 00:02:07,293 --> 00:02:10,133 Speaker 2: with rugby league sometimes I think probably plays a role. 39 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:12,733 Speaker 2: But look, there are myriad factors that I think, you know, 40 00:02:14,693 --> 00:02:16,333 Speaker 2: you know, rugby in New Zealand has had its share 41 00:02:16,373 --> 00:02:18,893 Speaker 2: of challenges. But when you think about the place that 42 00:02:19,013 --> 00:02:22,493 Speaker 2: rugby held in Australia, and the strength of Australian rugby 43 00:02:23,093 --> 00:02:25,173 Speaker 2: at the turn of the century like the year two 44 00:02:25,173 --> 00:02:28,293 Speaker 2: thousand or the nineties versus today. I mean they're just 45 00:02:28,613 --> 00:02:32,413 Speaker 2: their pollar, you know, polls apart. So such is something 46 00:02:32,533 --> 00:02:34,013 Speaker 2: big has happened there and it's going to take a 47 00:02:34,013 --> 00:02:36,173 Speaker 2: lot to turn it around anyway. Kevin, you've been thinking 48 00:02:36,173 --> 00:02:39,293 Speaker 2: about the proposal to introduce tipping in New Zealand. 49 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:44,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, tipping quite understandably, the HOSBO industries coming up with 50 00:02:44,933 --> 00:02:49,133 Speaker 3: ideas the boost profitability, the tipping ideas from a prominent 51 00:02:49,213 --> 00:02:54,413 Speaker 3: industry player restaurant to Luke Dello, his idea appears to 52 00:02:54,413 --> 00:03:00,013 Speaker 3: be a two pronged attack. First, you reduce the menu 53 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:03,453 Speaker 3: price of your food to attract more customers, and that 54 00:03:03,573 --> 00:03:07,453 Speaker 3: seems to me a risky proposition, actually reducing the price 55 00:03:07,493 --> 00:03:11,333 Speaker 3: of your meals, given that most restaurants cafes would probably 56 00:03:11,413 --> 00:03:14,213 Speaker 3: say that their prices are already as well as they 57 00:03:14,213 --> 00:03:17,733 Speaker 3: can set them. But putting that aside, yep, drop your 58 00:03:17,733 --> 00:03:21,533 Speaker 3: prices and more customers are walking. But how many more 59 00:03:22,093 --> 00:03:25,293 Speaker 3: is the issue and that leads to the other prong, 60 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:29,453 Speaker 3: the tricky one. Will Kiwi customers tip on a regular 61 00:03:29,493 --> 00:03:33,053 Speaker 3: basis to make up for the cheaper meals. I guess 62 00:03:33,053 --> 00:03:37,093 Speaker 3: the idea is if customers regularly tip your waitings, you 63 00:03:37,213 --> 00:03:39,773 Speaker 3: don't have to pay them so much. But I see 64 00:03:39,773 --> 00:03:42,453 Speaker 3: a poll in the Herald since the story broke yesterday 65 00:03:42,853 --> 00:03:47,933 Speaker 3: has resulted in a resounding no to tipping. I'm wondering 66 00:03:47,973 --> 00:03:51,013 Speaker 3: why Luke thinks most of us are ready to tip, 67 00:03:51,253 --> 00:03:53,933 Speaker 3: whereas we haven't done the bars. I mean, have we 68 00:03:54,013 --> 00:03:58,093 Speaker 3: become more sophisticated diners who want to reward great food 69 00:03:58,173 --> 00:04:02,653 Speaker 3: and excellent service. Well, yes, I think there's been some change, 70 00:04:02,813 --> 00:04:06,773 Speaker 3: but most customers on a regular basis I think so. 71 00:04:07,213 --> 00:04:11,213 Speaker 3: That had surprised me. Does Luke think New Zealand diners 72 00:04:11,493 --> 00:04:15,333 Speaker 3: are concerned enough about the plight of the hospital industry, 73 00:04:15,773 --> 00:04:21,173 Speaker 3: you know, the closures, etc. The people going bankrupt that tip. 74 00:04:21,573 --> 00:04:25,093 Speaker 3: Would they tip to help bail the industry out? Again? 75 00:04:25,213 --> 00:04:29,533 Speaker 3: I think some might. Personally, I'd rather see the cost 76 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:32,733 Speaker 3: of a meal go up to reflect a fair price 77 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:36,253 Speaker 3: in a fair way. That seems a simpler and more 78 00:04:36,293 --> 00:04:39,893 Speaker 3: transparent solution. Same applies actually to a cup of coffee. 79 00:04:40,253 --> 00:04:42,213 Speaker 3: If the cost of a cup has to go up 80 00:04:42,493 --> 00:04:44,853 Speaker 3: to pay a decent wage to the person making it 81 00:04:44,893 --> 00:04:48,253 Speaker 3: for you, then so be it. But I'm going to 82 00:04:48,253 --> 00:04:51,213 Speaker 3: bring you in Jack, because maybe I'm just the boomer 83 00:04:51,213 --> 00:04:55,013 Speaker 3: who's never adjusted to tipping. Are you guys, Are you 84 00:04:55,013 --> 00:04:58,173 Speaker 3: young guys more likely to give dipping a crack. 85 00:04:58,573 --> 00:05:00,653 Speaker 2: I went to dinner last night, Kevin. It was the 86 00:05:00,693 --> 00:05:02,973 Speaker 2: first time I'd been to dinner in a restaurant in 87 00:05:03,093 --> 00:05:06,493 Speaker 2: probably a month. My wife has a best friend in 88 00:05:06,533 --> 00:05:09,493 Speaker 2: town off We went, had a very lovely dinner, and 89 00:05:09,693 --> 00:05:15,053 Speaker 2: when I paid the bill, I also tipped. Now it's 90 00:05:15,093 --> 00:05:18,773 Speaker 2: not something that I do regularly, but I think part 91 00:05:18,813 --> 00:05:20,773 Speaker 2: of it for me last night, and I didn't feel 92 00:05:20,813 --> 00:05:23,253 Speaker 2: I didn't feel an obligation like, I didn't feel the 93 00:05:23,373 --> 00:05:25,573 Speaker 2: weight of I didn't feel pressured to do it right. 94 00:05:26,293 --> 00:05:29,533 Speaker 2: But I did think last night I am so aware 95 00:05:30,093 --> 00:05:32,853 Speaker 2: of hosper businesses going out of business at the moment, 96 00:05:33,133 --> 00:05:35,653 Speaker 2: and it feels like the real survive to twenty five 97 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:39,693 Speaker 2: thing is so present that I just wanted to do 98 00:05:39,733 --> 00:05:41,653 Speaker 2: something a little bit extra because I thought, you know what, 99 00:05:41,693 --> 00:05:43,893 Speaker 2: we had a delicious meal, it was a great experience, 100 00:05:43,893 --> 00:05:46,893 Speaker 2: the service was fantastic, and I just thought, if this 101 00:05:46,973 --> 00:05:49,573 Speaker 2: is something small that I can do that makes it 102 00:05:50,533 --> 00:05:53,253 Speaker 2: just a tiny bit more likely that this restaurant is 103 00:05:53,253 --> 00:05:55,333 Speaker 2: going to be here come this time next year. I 104 00:05:55,373 --> 00:05:57,053 Speaker 2: want to do it because I want to make sure 105 00:05:57,053 --> 00:05:59,533 Speaker 2: that when my sister's when my wife's friends in town 106 00:05:59,733 --> 00:06:01,573 Speaker 2: next time, I want to make sure that we can 107 00:06:01,813 --> 00:06:04,253 Speaker 2: go out to dinner once again, you know. And so 108 00:06:04,613 --> 00:06:09,453 Speaker 2: and I can recognize that I'm probably pretty fortunate in that, 109 00:06:09,693 --> 00:06:11,733 Speaker 2: you know, I had the means to be able to 110 00:06:11,773 --> 00:06:14,413 Speaker 2: do that. But also if I compare the number of 111 00:06:14,453 --> 00:06:17,053 Speaker 2: times that I'm going out to dinner today compared with 112 00:06:17,093 --> 00:06:19,973 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, it's much much less frequent. 113 00:06:20,573 --> 00:06:23,573 Speaker 2: You know, these are tired of times, right, and you know, 114 00:06:23,653 --> 00:06:25,813 Speaker 2: and I'm not spending nearly as much money as I 115 00:06:25,813 --> 00:06:27,973 Speaker 2: would have once upon a time at restaurants. And so, 116 00:06:28,133 --> 00:06:29,853 Speaker 2: going last night, I thought, you know what, if this 117 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:33,093 Speaker 2: makes a tiny difference, it was only fifteen percent or 118 00:06:33,133 --> 00:06:35,573 Speaker 2: something wasn't it was a huge sum. But I thought, 119 00:06:35,613 --> 00:06:37,613 Speaker 2: you know what, if this increases the likelihood they're going 120 00:06:37,613 --> 00:06:38,933 Speaker 2: to be here in a year, then I'll do it. 121 00:06:39,053 --> 00:06:42,573 Speaker 2: But I reckon the obligatory sense is never going to 122 00:06:42,613 --> 00:06:45,253 Speaker 2: be picked up by Kewis. I don't think we're either 123 00:06:45,253 --> 00:06:48,053 Speaker 2: going to feel like a true obligation, you know, you know, 124 00:06:48,133 --> 00:06:50,253 Speaker 2: like a like in America or something like that. Don't 125 00:06:50,253 --> 00:06:50,613 Speaker 2: you reckon? 126 00:06:51,253 --> 00:06:54,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you agree with me that if if they 127 00:06:54,213 --> 00:06:57,413 Speaker 3: can't run the restaurant on the current prices, I think 128 00:06:57,413 --> 00:06:59,213 Speaker 3: it'd be better if they put out the price of 129 00:06:59,253 --> 00:06:59,653 Speaker 3: the meal. 130 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:02,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I suppose that the danger of that is 131 00:07:02,413 --> 00:07:03,853 Speaker 2: that they then go out of business. 132 00:07:04,133 --> 00:07:05,693 Speaker 3: I mean, look, yeah, well that's right. 133 00:07:05,773 --> 00:07:08,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Luke Dello's Luke Dallo is an 134 00:07:08,893 --> 00:07:12,093 Speaker 2: astute businessman to say the least. So if he reckons 135 00:07:12,093 --> 00:07:15,093 Speaker 2: that this is a way to help restaurants limp through 136 00:07:15,133 --> 00:07:20,533 Speaker 2: to you know, slightly you know, slightly wealthier times, then 137 00:07:21,293 --> 00:07:23,973 Speaker 2: you know, if that works, then great, because you know, 138 00:07:24,053 --> 00:07:26,533 Speaker 2: I think it'll be a real shame, you know, if 139 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:27,853 Speaker 2: we get to if we if we get to the 140 00:07:27,893 --> 00:07:30,933 Speaker 2: other side of this economic downturn, and you know, we've 141 00:07:31,013 --> 00:07:33,533 Speaker 2: barely got any good hospital spots left because they've all 142 00:07:33,533 --> 00:07:35,773 Speaker 2: been they've all been forced to shutter. 143 00:07:37,053 --> 00:07:40,653 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, good point. That's for a good point. 144 00:07:40,693 --> 00:07:43,213 Speaker 3: I'm surprised you don't go out to eat more often, 145 00:07:43,253 --> 00:07:43,693 Speaker 3: to be sure. 146 00:07:43,893 --> 00:07:47,253 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm like I say, I'm fortunately 147 00:07:47,213 --> 00:07:49,373 Speaker 2: I've got a couple of jobs, but you know that 148 00:07:50,173 --> 00:07:52,413 Speaker 2: I think I think everyone is feeling a squeeze to 149 00:07:52,453 --> 00:07:55,253 Speaker 2: a certain extent at the moment. So yeah, yeah, you know, 150 00:07:55,893 --> 00:07:58,013 Speaker 2: you're just going to be thoughtful about these things. But 151 00:07:58,093 --> 00:08:00,093 Speaker 2: like I say, when I do, I want to make 152 00:08:00,133 --> 00:08:02,293 Speaker 2: sure that I do what I can to, you know, 153 00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:05,773 Speaker 2: help that restaurant be up and running and thriving in 154 00:08:05,813 --> 00:08:07,653 Speaker 2: twelve months time. Thank you very much for that, Kevin, 155 00:08:07,693 --> 00:08:09,413 Speaker 2: and thank you for your feedback. Heaps and heaps of 156 00:08:09,453 --> 00:08:12,653 Speaker 2: text coming through jack Good morning. New Zealand rugby has 157 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:17,053 Speaker 2: been drawn into Ossie code wars and is suffering. Super 158 00:08:17,093 --> 00:08:20,733 Speaker 2: rugby is destroying our grass rugby in my opinion, and 159 00:08:20,773 --> 00:08:22,693 Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off ending 160 00:08:22,733 --> 00:08:25,453 Speaker 2: our association with Australian Rugby so is to protect New 161 00:08:25,533 --> 00:08:30,853 Speaker 2: Zealand grassroots rugby. Interesting Jin says or Gwinn says Jackie. 162 00:08:30,893 --> 00:08:32,533 Speaker 2: Back in two thousand, I got the job of going 163 00:08:32,533 --> 00:08:35,133 Speaker 2: to Vanawatu for a week. I flew up to talking 164 00:08:35,173 --> 00:08:37,173 Speaker 2: to Port Vella, was picked up by an expat Ossie 165 00:08:37,173 --> 00:08:38,853 Speaker 2: taken to their house just in time to watch the 166 00:08:38,853 --> 00:08:41,813 Speaker 2: second half of the final bledders Low Obviously there was 167 00:08:41,813 --> 00:08:43,653 Speaker 2: a bit of rugby banter with the other Ossies that 168 00:08:43,693 --> 00:08:46,773 Speaker 2: were also present. But I will never ever forget Johnny 169 00:08:46,773 --> 00:08:49,933 Speaker 2: Eel's last minute long range kick that sealed them the 170 00:08:49,973 --> 00:08:52,573 Speaker 2: win and ultimately the cup. It was gutting at the time, 171 00:08:52,613 --> 00:08:55,213 Speaker 2: but what a memory. It's amazing how you can remember 172 00:08:55,253 --> 00:08:58,253 Speaker 2: were you were for a moment like that and for 173 00:08:58,333 --> 00:09:00,973 Speaker 2: a game like that. That is Yeah, that's really special. 174 00:09:00,973 --> 00:09:04,453 Speaker 2: What do they call John Eels? Nobody? That was his nickname, right, 175 00:09:04,493 --> 00:09:08,373 Speaker 2: because nobody's perfect, so good. Ninety two ninety two is 176 00:09:08,413 --> 00:09:11,573 Speaker 2: the text number. Well, get our Sportos thoughts on this 177 00:09:11,653 --> 00:09:14,813 Speaker 2: evening's bleeders Low and he joins us live from Sydney next. 178 00:09:15,813 --> 00:09:18,893 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 179 00:09:18,973 --> 00:09:21,813 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or 180 00:09:21,893 --> 00:09:23,733 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.