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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: The inaugural four and a half million enzb Kiwi is

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Speaker 2: on at Allisy Racecourse next Saturday. Now, Pivotal ten has

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Speaker 2: been selected to run in the race, almost coming from

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Speaker 2: nowhere to become the surprise star of the South and

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Speaker 2: being described as the People's horse. Pivotal ten was purchased

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Speaker 2: for just fifteen thousand dollars at the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Bloodstock National Weenlings Sale three years on Shall

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Speaker 2: Race for a share of four and a half million

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Speaker 2: in the Southern Hemisphere's richest race for three year olds

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Speaker 2: and New Zealand's richest annual sporting event. She is unbeaten

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Speaker 2: in her last five starts for trainer and jockey Samantha Wynn,

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Speaker 2: who joins us. Now, sam thanks for joining us. How

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Speaker 2: is Pivotal ten risen to prominence and success so quickly

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Speaker 2: and so spectacularly?

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Speaker 3: She's just stands to be deals in a professionals and

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Speaker 3: I must say she's probably trained very well. Now. Look

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Speaker 3: she she's the superstard here. She she's just got a

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Speaker 3: lovely laid black nature and really loves loves her rating.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the way you trying her, Are there

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Speaker 2: really specifics to that anything that you do that is

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Speaker 2: unique to you or I mean, what has been the

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Speaker 2: bid rock of the success that you've found with Pivotal Team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I don't think everything. Every China has their

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Speaker 3: own regime, you know, and what I've picked up over

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Speaker 3: the years walking from many trainers and you kind of

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Speaker 3: just put it into practice, but you kind of it's

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Speaker 3: trial and error, still loads to learn. Well, look at

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Speaker 3: just all about keeping the heart fit, happy and healthy

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Speaker 3: is the start, you know, and then the rest is

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Speaker 3: really up to their ability most of the time. Book,

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Speaker 3: she's very straightforward to trying, they said, the good ones

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Speaker 3: trying themselves. But look, yeah, still learning about her and

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Speaker 3: hopefully there's a bet Martic Crn, Well.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like there will be. Are the same philosophies

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Speaker 2: of training horses, you know, are they transferable across every

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Speaker 2: horse or is every horse just slightly unique?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Every horse has their own characteristics. You know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of them are straightforward, a lot of them can

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Speaker 3: be very hard work, and the quirky ones and armally

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Speaker 3: the ones with a lot of ability too you know,

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Speaker 3: but you treat them individually and try and get the

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Speaker 3: best out of them, because if you try and treat

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Speaker 3: them all the same, you probably wouldn't get a good result.

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Speaker 2: One of pivotal teams most recent wins came in the

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Speaker 2: Southland Guinea's an absolute demolition job, winning by more than

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Speaker 2: eight lengths. How do you reflect on that?

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Speaker 3: Rice? Look, it was something else. So she blew me away,

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Speaker 3: to be honestly, because of her track walker at home.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't work like a champion at home, you know,

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Speaker 3: like she doesn't show you any signs of what she's

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Speaker 3: capable of. When she steps out onto the track. She's

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Speaker 3: just the switches into race mode, you know, and she

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Speaker 3: seems happy in herself and just loves her walk. But

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Speaker 3: she's got a lot of ability, a lot of natural ability.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just blessed to have her.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't really have You must have had an

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Speaker 2: inkling though that she was capable of something like that.

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Speaker 3: Not really, to be honest, like, she's she just keeps

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Speaker 3: stepping up each time we bring her to the races.

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Speaker 3: You know, she's maturing as we go. And I wrote

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Speaker 3: her actually in the fourth twelve for another trainer and

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Speaker 3: she you know, she was only a two year old

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Speaker 3: she's still maturing, don't get me wrong, Like she still

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Speaker 3: has a bit of filling out to do, but she's

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Speaker 3: her food, which is the key to a lot of filies,

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Speaker 3: you know, as long as they're eating, like I tend

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Speaker 3: to try and a lot out the feed. Then is

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Speaker 3: they're not eating, you just back off them a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they definitely have to be happy in their mind.

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Speaker 2: And you're the first female jockey confirmed for the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Bloodstock Keywait, was this one you were targeting personally?

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Speaker 3: No, no, not all. I actually I see Sam Spratt,

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Speaker 3: who's an amazing rider. She has a ride in the

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Speaker 3: The owner's very kind to me and he's really good

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Speaker 2: How do you balance training with rutting?

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Speaker 3: Oh It's very challenging sometimes, you know. But I've got

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Speaker 3: great team of staff at home that I know all

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Speaker 3: bases are covered well. I head away to the races,

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Speaker 3: you know, I have to look after them well because

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Speaker 3: I know that they look after with the love and

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Speaker 3: care that I do, you know, and you need that.

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Speaker 3: So just having a good balance and try not to

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Speaker 3: want to hand the reins over and say it's up

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Speaker 3: to the jockey now. But I'm in the jockey, so

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Speaker 3: I just don't need to get a bit of a break.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, I bloody love it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Is it common same as what you do training and riding?

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Speaker 2: Is that common or not?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, to be honest, not many. I

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Speaker 3: think there's one lady trying to up. No, she has

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Speaker 3: a human work. But I got up to about eighteen

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Speaker 3: or more there and like having a goo few royds. Look,

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Speaker 3: it's I don't even think the stewards they're a fan

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Speaker 3: of what I'm doing because it's probably spreading myselves out

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Speaker 3: with the breath of moment. I seem to be managing

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Speaker 3: okay mentally and physically. Physically, probably more is the challenging part,

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Speaker 3: because I've had a good few falls over the years

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Speaker 3: I'll have to be mindful of that as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, But do you think that do you think

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Speaker 2: the two can be complimentary? Do you think like being

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Speaker 2: a trying to help you with riding and vioce versa?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely it helps me understand what I was in

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and you know how much it cost

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Speaker 3: try hard. I try to have for every traina but

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Speaker 3: definitely not more understanding of it now. But like I

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Speaker 3: was speaking to someone that trackside this morning, then you

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Speaker 3: know somewhat like, yeah, I've got I've got the nerves

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Speaker 3: I know that I know we'll walk down into the race.

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Speaker 3: I think he's an advantage I know of hers inside

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Speaker 2: You talked before about being in a couple of falls.

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Speaker 2: Of course, there was that horrendous accident at the end

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. You were one of four riders

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Speaker 2: injured in a fatal rice in Ashburg and twenty six

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Speaker 2: year old cross jich rod to Megan Tyler died that day.

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Speaker 2: How do you reflect back on that time in your life,

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Speaker 2: because very.

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Speaker 3: Very hard, hard thing to go through, like for anybody,

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Speaker 3: like our family. I just I can't take out her

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Speaker 3: the time I know that they're lowly people. She was

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Speaker 3: just an amazing girl. She brightened up the room she

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Speaker 3: saw from the jockeys room. The girl's jockeys room can

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Speaker 3: be hard walk sometimes, but she really brought a good

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Speaker 3: She's just been She was an amazing girl. And one

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to do me best for her. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just very touch. She was so young, but look,

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Speaker 3: lot of it is in honor of whore you.

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Speaker 2: Did you have any trepidation returning to riding after that?

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Speaker 3: A little bit like originally when I found out the

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Speaker 3: I was going to ride anymore. Like I've been in

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Speaker 3: three races now where three girls have passed away. So

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Speaker 3: it's and I don't want to deal with in my family,

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Speaker 3: you know, getting that phone called. The phone call was

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Speaker 3: bad enough when when I was brought down to but

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Speaker 3: look's just them. Yeah, a fear, you fear the outcome, obviously,

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, if I thought like that,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be out there. I'm really enjoying where I

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Speaker 3: am at the moment. I didn't think I get that

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Speaker 3: confidence back. But training and riding me on horses is

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Speaker 3: just a dream like I can't describe it. I'm very lucky.

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Speaker 2: And do you get nervous aside from the you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess the phys a cool danger that you you

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Speaker 2: put yourself in. Do you get nervous for big events?

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Speaker 2: You're nervous just you know, just before you jump?

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Speaker 3: I kind of you have to put it aside. Once

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Speaker 3: trying too hard, but you know it's it's a great

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Speaker 3: outfeeling and the nerves can't get to you sometimes. Look,

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Speaker 3: you can guarantee that, you know, but you know you

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Speaker 3: just have a little wrong from that.

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Speaker 2: When and how did you come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Oh, my ex boyfriend he moved over for the rebuilding.

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Speaker 3: I got told to give up hope being a jockie

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Speaker 3: lik in Ireland, I got twenty four royds over three years.

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Speaker 3: In New Zealand in three years I got over a

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Speaker 3: thousand royds. So it's big different than the opportunity. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: my ex boyfriend he moved over ahead of me and

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Speaker 3: kind of telling me that the girls were getting a

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Speaker 3: ultimatum to move over. I didn't really want to, but

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Speaker 3: I was doing a good job. I'm glad I did.

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Speaker 3: And he didn't even have a visa, so he had

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Speaker 3: to move back to Ireland after four weeks and me

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Speaker 2: So so back in Ireland you were getting very limited

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Speaker 2: opportunities as a female jockey.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look a ride every two or three months.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every time I got out there, I felt like

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Speaker 3: it was the fourth time, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, well it must be like I can

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Speaker 2: only guess. But the more you do it, I guess

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Speaker 2: the more you are comfortable with it. So is the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand bloodstock key, We're going to be the biggest

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Speaker 3: Then totally it's me forth runner in the North Island.

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Speaker 3: It's what you always dream of as a jockey, a strapper.

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Speaker 3: Anyone that in the industry wants to take part in

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Speaker 3: such a thing, you know. So I'm delighted that we're

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Speaker 2: Same. It's just been such a delight chatting to you.

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Speaker 2: We'll be looking out for you next Saturday at elles Lee.

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Speaker 2: the best, thanks for chatting to us and wish you

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Speaker 2: wish you every success in the n ZB KEI.

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Speaker 3: We thank you for your time, all the best now.

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Speaker 2: All the best to you too, Sam. That is a

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Speaker 2: Cementtha Win delightful a writer and trainer and she'll be

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