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Speaker 2: Hello there, and welcome into a Thursday edition of the
Speaker 2: Sports Fix podcast for November fourteen.
Speaker 3: Good have you with us? I'm Jason Pine. My name
Speaker 3: is Darcy walder Grave. Running Shotgun with the Pine Man again.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to do so, Jason, what have you
Speaker 3: got coming up?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm quite looking forward to playing selector with you.
Speaker 2: I've got one, two, three, four, I've got five positions.
Speaker 2: I'd like to get your view on as to what
Speaker 2: you think your black selectors will do and what you
Speaker 2: might do when they name their team for France. I
Speaker 2: think it's revealed about five o'clock tomorrow morning. I want
Speaker 2: to kick that round in the chamber with you. I
Speaker 2: know you've got the doc on. I always enjoy listening
Speaker 2: to John Mayhew.
Speaker 3: Near doctor John Mayhew talking about concussion and the Curious
Speaker 3: Tale of Tom Robinson. I don't know about you, Piney,
Speaker 3: but I've heard of players trying to mask injury so
Speaker 3: they get selected, but not players feigning injury so they
Speaker 3: don't get selected. It's a strange one, but I think
Speaker 3: in essence a good news story for rugby really again
Speaker 3: highlighting the dangers around concussion.
Speaker 2: Indeed indeed, and how far we've come in that regard.
Speaker 2: All right, So the doc's coming up, the chambers coming up,
Speaker 2: is a bit coming up. Let's get into it. In
Speaker 2: other news, let's get started with some of the big
Speaker 2: sports stories floating around today. Shri Lannka have won the
Speaker 2: opening One Day cricket International against New Zealand and Dan Buller.
Speaker 3: There it is, there's the match in a good word for.
Speaker 2: The home sick New Zealand finished one seventy five for
Speaker 2: nine chasing and adjusted two hundred and twenty one from
Speaker 2: twenty seven overs earlier. Shri Lanka rapped up three hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty four to five from forty nine point two overs.
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby's manager of the professional game at Chris
Speaker 2: Lendrom's keeping the door. Ajar over the possibility of a
Speaker 2: super rugby draft, but says the prospect is unlikely for now.
Speaker 3: We're done in a certain way. Drafts and options create fans,
Speaker 3: spectacle and interest. Totally get all of that, not saying
Speaker 3: never at all we remain open minded, but it's not
Speaker 3: on the agenda for the near team.
Speaker 2: And keep it going. For Stephen, Elka wants to keep
Speaker 2: playing professionally until he turns sixty after winning a second
Speaker 2: season long crown on the PGA Champions Tour, saying that
Speaker 2: is the biggest thing, and then you know from there
Speaker 2: the drive is it?
Speaker 1: How long is it going to be there?
Speaker 2: And if I'm just finishing forty to fifteenth in the
Speaker 2: field and not having a chance, then it's probably time.
Speaker 1: Leading a vex. We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
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Speaker 3: We'll join now on the program by doctor John Mayhew
Speaker 3: as we take a look at the curious case of
Speaker 3: Tom Robinson. John always good to chat to you. I
Speaker 3: take it your will very well.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dartine.
Speaker 3: This is a curious case, isn't that Tom Robinson coming
Speaker 3: out and saying, look, I faked injury so I didn't
Speaker 3: get selected for the All Blacks. And this is all
Speaker 3: under the far of concussion that he experienced. He didn't
Speaker 3: want to go any further. I've never heard of this before.
Speaker 3: What about yourself? Normally they say I'm not injured so
Speaker 3: they can carry on playing. This is quite the turn up,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 4: It is. I think you did right there. And I've
Speaker 4: had a number of players who have had several head
Speaker 4: injuries and then made decisions early in their career to
Speaker 4: stop playing football. But they've done that quite publicly and say, look,
Speaker 4: I've had two or three concussions, I'm twenty to one
Speaker 4: to twenty two. I'm concerned they'll be long term problems,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to cut my losses now. And that
Speaker 4: made it's probably quite an intelligent, rational decision. What I
Speaker 4: find quite unusual here as the player was hiding that
Speaker 4: he was worried about head injury and avoiding playing, but
Speaker 4: without telling people and the reason why he was avoiding playing.
Speaker 4: So it's a bit unusual. And hopefully he's made a
Speaker 4: full recovery from his head injuries, and he's probably made
Speaker 4: a very wise decision to avoid the injury and get
Speaker 4: on with his life in other areas and not so
Speaker 4: for the consequences of repeated head injury. But the mystery is,
Speaker 4: you know why he felt that he couldn't discuss that
Speaker 4: with his medical advisors or coaches, and I had to
Speaker 4: pretend he was injured to avoid selection.
Speaker 3: Another story that I won't say will put the frighteners
Speaker 3: up people, but again, it brings awareness to the nature
Speaker 3: of head injury. I see it as being a positive
Speaker 3: that he's done this, not a negative. But maybe that's
Speaker 3: what he is thinking. Not that we can tell anyone
Speaker 3: what he was thinking, because we simply don't know. But
Speaker 3: this is a good news story.
Speaker 4: You think, Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's a number of players I've dealt with over the
Speaker 4: last three or four years who've decided to retire because
Speaker 4: of you know, what they deem as frequent head injuries,
Speaker 4: and fortunately most of them are not brain damage to
Speaker 4: any extent, but they're concerned about the future. And these
Speaker 4: are often young graduates, you know, who've got other careers
Speaker 4: ahead of them, and they've made it to say to say, well,
Speaker 4: I care, I'm going to decrease the odds of further
Speaker 4: damage by it by not playing. And I think that's
Speaker 4: a very acceptable and very wise thing to do. When
Speaker 4: they do that, you know, quite publicly, I'm disappointed that,
Speaker 4: you know, a player this felt that he couldn't be
Speaker 4: honest with his coaching staff, medical staff and say, look,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to play because I'm worried
Speaker 4: about heat injury, and I think it may be best
Speaker 4: that I don't carry on playing, and that'd be the
Speaker 4: way to do it. And I think in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: you know, we're much more aware of the dangers of
Speaker 4: head injury and it's certainly acceptable. We've gone past that
Speaker 4: Marcho phase of you know, play on you know if
Speaker 4: you can sort of thing, and I think it's a
Speaker 4: wise thing to do. So I applaud him for doing
Speaker 4: what he's doing, but it's a shame that he felt
Speaker 4: that he had to sort of do it in a
Speaker 4: surreptitious sort of way.
Speaker 3: Dr John Mayhew joining the program. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: people would hide injury so they would get selected. How
Speaker 3: in this day and a difficult is it to hide
Speaker 3: something like head injury? It's blanket covered. Everyone's very very
Speaker 3: well aware of concussion, of head knocks, of how players
Speaker 3: are affected. They've got video. But is it an easy
Speaker 3: enough thing to mask? I don't know why you would,
Speaker 3: but it's easy enough to mask in this day and age.
Speaker 4: Well, it's certainly at the professional level now it's pretty
Speaker 4: hard to get away with a player playing with head
Speaker 4: injury because there are protocols in place all the training
Speaker 4: and games of videos, so it's very hard to avoid
Speaker 4: you know, that are being diagnosed with a head injury.
Speaker 4: So I think that's unlikely. I mean, certainly at lower
Speaker 4: levels or training where there's no video assessment and things
Speaker 4: like that, injuries can occur. And often I still see
Speaker 4: patients who say, look, I felt good after game, but
Speaker 4: you know later on I had a headache, and then
Speaker 4: you go through the tape and you find that you
Speaker 4: know they may have had a head injury and you're
Speaker 4: dealt with accordingly. But I think at the professional level
Speaker 4: now players don't try to hide head injury. It's certainly
Speaker 4: lower levels and even worse at visiting rugby levels, players
Speaker 4: sometimes try to hide things and unfortunately sometimes the appearance
Speaker 4: and coaches you know, go along with that as well.
Speaker 3: There is a standard standdown period for players, but I'm
Speaker 3: presuming that head injury takes on and concussion a number
Speaker 3: of different forms. So to have a blanket stand down
Speaker 3: period is that idea? Is that accurate? Does that work
Speaker 3: for you the average rugby player, not even your average bloke.
Speaker 4: What you're saying is definitely correct that I was in
Speaker 4: a working party with ACC and we came up with
Speaker 4: some guidelines for non professional sportsmen across all the sporting codes,
Speaker 4: and we came up with a minimum of three weeks
Speaker 4: standout if anyone suffers a head injury and then they
Speaker 4: needed to be cleared by a medical professional, a doctor,
Speaker 4: not a physio. Now that what we've got to deal
Speaker 4: with here, Darcy, is it's very hard for the average
Speaker 4: forcemen to get in to see a doctor, to get
Speaker 4: access to all the neuropsychometric testing. So we made a
Speaker 4: pragmatic decision which is the best for all concern and
Speaker 4: what we're trying to say there that if you have
Speaker 4: a hen indry it's going to be a minimum of
Speaker 4: three weeks you're then going to have a conversation with
Speaker 4: a medical professional who assesses you and decides whether you
Speaker 4: can return to play or not. So it's not ideal,
Speaker 4: I quite agree, but it's the best option we've got
Speaker 4: at the moment.
Speaker 3: It's gone on the up and up. Dot to John
Speaker 3: Mayhewn just before we go the technology, the advance and
Speaker 3: understanding around concussion not full proof yet, but in your mind,
Speaker 3: getting closer to sorting this issue out as far as
Speaker 3: finding out how you got your concussion, how long it's
Speaker 3: going to last. As medical up now with what's going
Speaker 3: on in concussion, they have a long way to go.
Speaker 4: Or I think that certainly we're moving forward, and I
Speaker 4: think New Zealand rugby has been very proactive and assessment
Speaker 4: of concussion and management of that, and it issuing a
Speaker 4: lot of research programs and is mostly doing more than
Speaker 4: most other sport doing New Zealand. And certainly people can
Speaker 4: get head injuries and sort of rollerblading and ice hockey
Speaker 4: and things like that where there's no research going on.
Speaker 4: The finger gets pointed at rugby the whole time, but
Speaker 4: ironically it's the sport that's doing the most to try
Speaker 4: and make their sport safest than the other sports can
Speaker 4: learn from the information glean there. So I think, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of research done by sporting bodies and
Speaker 4: by medical bodies, and we're trying to make the game
Speaker 4: as safe as we possibly can.
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Speaker 3: champion at the ripe old age of fifty eight. He's
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Speaker 3: between the two characters. The other character the twenty seven
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Speaker 3: His record, well, eleven fights, ten wins, seven KOs, and
Speaker 3: one loss up against Iron Mike, is that as many
Speaker 3: pro fights as he's had years on the planet. Fifty
Speaker 3: eight fights, fifty wins, forty four by knockout, and six losses.
Speaker 3: That's an impressive record by anyone's measure. What does that
Speaker 3: count for what's coming up on Sunday? Nothing at all.
Speaker 3: This has been sanctioned as a fight. They've got bigger,
Speaker 3: softer gloves. There are eight rounds of only two minutes,
Speaker 3: so when it comes to boxing, it's more like reality
Speaker 3: TV boxing than bona fide scrap. But that won't stop,
Speaker 3: and I'd suggest millions and millions of people from tuning
Speaker 3: in to Netflix to watch this brawl. It's like a
Speaker 3: whole of people crowding around a freak show just to
Speaker 3: see what happens. Plainly, I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen. Will
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Speaker 3: carry Mike Tyson out on a gurney is one thing
Speaker 3: I do hope though, that when Mike Tyson walks into
Speaker 3: the ring, he's got as black trunks and as little
Speaker 3: black booties on, just like as helcyon days when he
Speaker 3: was the baddest man on the planet.
Speaker 1: The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2: Let us convene in the chamber for some discussion around
Speaker 2: a couple of sporting issues. The main one, Dars I
Speaker 2: want to get your view on, is what you think
Speaker 2: your black selectors might do for this Test match against
Speaker 2: France on Sunday morning, New Zealand time the team is
Speaker 2: revealed tomorrow morning in the early hours. Can I give
Speaker 2: you a couple of positions and get your view you can.
Speaker 3: Indeed, just remembering one key thought here and every time
Speaker 3: back in the day I spoke to Grant Fox before
Speaker 3: he was an all Black selector about selections. You said,
Speaker 3: it's all well and good dask, but this team never
Speaker 3: has to play, so take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 3: And he's right, isn't he? We can all be selectors
Speaker 3: on the couch, but our team doesn't have to play.
Speaker 3: So do you want me to tell you who I
Speaker 3: think is going to be selected or who should be selected?
Speaker 3: Because that's quite the difference.
Speaker 2: I want the second one of those. Please, I'd like
Speaker 2: you to put yourself in the selector's books. I think
Speaker 2: we can all. I think we can all say oh
Speaker 2: we reckon, they'll do this, or they'll probably pick am.
Speaker 2: What would you do if it was up to you
Speaker 2: and I want to start in the front row? Are
Speaker 2: you picking Asafa one Moor or Cody Taylor to start
Speaker 2: this test match?
Speaker 3: I'm picking Asafa L Moore because I thought it's reward
Speaker 3: and for what he did and the two big stories
Speaker 3: out of that game, well big for me anyway that
Speaker 3: I suffer prove people that he can actually adjust and
Speaker 3: change and get his game right, and he didn't run
Speaker 3: out of steam. And Damien McKenzie, like I've been critical
Speaker 3: of him in the past, but he put on a
Speaker 3: master class. I've got to be impressive. I'm thinking that
Speaker 3: they reward him for that, and then we have the
Speaker 3: coming back from a head knock Cody Taylor to really
Speaker 3: inject toward the end here. Okay, well, then you mentioned
Speaker 3: Damian McKenzie there as well. I take it from that
Speaker 3: then that you're giving him the keys to the car.
Speaker 3: The number ten Jersey and Boden Barrett comes off the bench. Now.
Speaker 3: I do like that idea, because Boden Barrett, of course,
Speaker 3: can cover a number of possessions and short of a trot,
Speaker 3: Damie McKenzie is not. So to me, it's a fairly
Speaker 3: pragmatic decision, even though I think Boden's the better player.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Amoa and mackenzie there, now, can you please
Speaker 2: tell me your loose forward trio, remembering of course that
Speaker 2: we don't have Sam Kaine available this weekend.
Speaker 3: Well, the cat's a sort of been let out of
Speaker 3: the bag by Scott Hansen, so I'd say that Larkye
Speaker 3: will will he start? Yeah, let's go Larky to start
Speaker 3: in at seven, and you leave Wallacetiti in at six,
Speaker 3: and you leave the man in the boot where he belongs.
Speaker 3: I know it's tempting for Adie Savia to move him
Speaker 3: to the open side. But I think situation like this,
Speaker 3: if you've got a new guy coming on in that
Speaker 3: key role, you need some form of solidity with the
Speaker 3: other two packs.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, it does. I see what I
Speaker 2: would do. I'd Havelaye coming off the reserves bench. I
Speaker 2: would move Ardi to seven for this one. I'd give
Speaker 2: Wallace Atti a run and that eight Jersey where he's
Speaker 2: been so impressive for the Chiefs. Yes, I know he's
Speaker 2: been amazing in six for the All Blacks, but I'd
Speaker 2: reward some a penny female for a good couple of
Speaker 2: impacts off the bench against England and Ireland after a
Speaker 2: difficult Rugby championship for some a penny female. I would
Speaker 2: give him a go in that six jumper. He started
Speaker 2: against England in both tests in July then kind of
Speaker 2: fell off the radar a little bit. I'd be giving
Speaker 2: Feenale the six, Savia the seven, Satiti the eight, and
Speaker 2: I would give Peter Larkey the twenty jumper. That's the
Speaker 2: way i'd do it.
Speaker 3: What of you you can twist my arm around that.
Speaker 3: Then maybe the trial by five of starting against the
Speaker 3: French with Lakeye it might be too much, but you
Speaker 3: find out pretty fast what they're made out of when
Speaker 3: you throw them in that position and just see. I
Speaker 3: wonder if Scott Robertson is up to doing something like that.
Speaker 3: It's quite the role, it's quite the shake. But you
Speaker 3: don't know. I wouldn't mind if they went your way, absolutely,
Speaker 3: But you ask me what i'd do, and I'm a
Speaker 3: harsh task master.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't mind your way either, I really wouldn't.
Speaker 2: It's and that's the beauty of it. As you say,
Speaker 2: none of these teams have to play now, we just
Speaker 2: have to pick them. And with no mark to laya
Speaker 2: on the right wing, it feels like sever reesel come in.
Speaker 2: Could he possibly I mean, would you possibly move Will
Speaker 2: Jordan back to the wing and play Pelifetta or even
Speaker 2: Ruben Love at full back?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. It's taken long enough to get Jordan and
Speaker 3: we've seen what he can do and he's getting really
Speaker 3: comfortable in that role. Don't mess with it. You don't
Speaker 3: mess with a number of positions to cover one. Leave
Speaker 3: him where he is. I'm going to probably live to
Speaker 3: regret that one and I'll move it. But if it's
Speaker 3: my team now, he stays right, whereas Severies comes in,
Speaker 3: Caleb Clarke have've got the same midfield happy days.
Speaker 2: Okay, I tend to agree. In fact, I don't tend to.
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree. I'd be living Jordan at
Speaker 2: four back. What about road?
Speaker 3: What about Roy Guard? Does does he start this time
Speaker 3: around and they live with Courte?
Speaker 2: I go Roy Guard? I go Roy Guard? Would you
Speaker 2: go Royguard?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I go Roy Guard. He's proven enough that
Speaker 3: he's back in, and I think that maybe the weight
Speaker 3: of selection at this early stage Courtsi's maybe felt that
Speaker 3: a wee bit at the start, so maybe relieve some
Speaker 3: pressure off him on the bench.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started against England and Ireland. I think I
Speaker 2: think you said to Quartez, yeah, WA's the first hour.
Speaker 2: And I think also Royguard deserves a start. You know,
Speaker 2: he's only started this year against Japan. I think this
Speaker 2: is his time to wear that nine jumper again.
Speaker 3: You has the big story of the entire tour. What
Speaker 3: do you do with the grout?
Speaker 2: You know what? I would bring him in and I
Speaker 2: think offered all the fuss he stays in that seventeen jumper.
Speaker 2: I think has impact off the bench has been excellent.
Speaker 2: I would bring to Grout in for Williams. I think
Speaker 2: Williams has been good against Japan, England Island and three
Speaker 2: consecutive tests. I would put Guton. Would you put to Gruton?
Speaker 3: He hasn't played for a couple of weeks, but as
Speaker 3: they say, and as Jason Ryan said, they've been training
Speaker 3: the house down, anything would be a good pick in there.
Speaker 3: You know, we need a game show where we actually
Speaker 3: get to go and select and coach an all black team.
Speaker 3: Do you think people would buy into that or not?
Speaker 3: You know, I think those reality shows you you are,
Speaker 3: you've got a clipball? What do you know about the game?
Speaker 2: Just before we go, the All Whites play tomorrow night
Speaker 2: they continue on their World Cup qualifying. Where are you
Speaker 2: putting Chris Wood as far as as far as the
Speaker 2: football as you admire, the sports people you admire in
Speaker 2: terms of his desire to wear the silver fern.
Speaker 3: Top shelf, it's got to be dias at least, can't
Speaker 3: be any further. I think that when you look at
Speaker 3: what he does, what he gets paid, the success he's
Speaker 3: having over him, what a year you wouldn't read about
Speaker 3: so far Chris would what he's achieved and the tyranny
Speaker 3: of long distance travel that is hard, and then he's
Speaker 3: got to play a game of football at each end
Speaker 3: keep himself fit. It's almost impossible. So for him to
Speaker 3: make that commitment Piney, and not just once, but he
Speaker 3: does it every time he can. That is just so commendable.
Speaker 3: He's right out with one of the superstars, brilliant man.
Speaker 2: As is usually the case, I don't have a lot
Speaker 2: to add to your as always articulate thoughts on the matter,
Speaker 2: so I'll just hold it's not an agreement and usher
Speaker 2: you out of the chamber for another afternoon.
Speaker 3: If that's okay, I consider myself ushered. Goodbye dissecting the
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