1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from newstalk 'b. 3 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:15,867 Speaker 2: I'm just getting word that Jason Ryan is ready to 4 00:00:15,947 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 2: chat to us. Jason, thanks for taking our call so 5 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:20,507 Speaker 2: soon after the final whistle? Can we start with your 6 00:00:20,547 --> 00:00:23,627 Speaker 2: overall assessment of the Test match and the All Blacks performance? 7 00:00:25,907 --> 00:00:28,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty messy, wasn't it. 8 00:00:28,947 --> 00:00:31,787 Speaker 4: To be fair, I thought we were, you know, we 9 00:00:31,867 --> 00:00:34,867 Speaker 4: lacked a lot of probably quality in our skill sets. 10 00:00:35,587 --> 00:00:38,547 Speaker 4: To be honest, I think there was some areas of 11 00:00:38,587 --> 00:00:41,467 Speaker 4: the game that we were good, but I think, you know, 12 00:00:41,907 --> 00:00:43,187 Speaker 4: I just don't know, we got off to a good 13 00:00:43,227 --> 00:00:46,307 Speaker 4: enough start and we weren't really where we needed to 14 00:00:46,307 --> 00:00:49,147 Speaker 4: be and which could have been potentially a little bit 15 00:00:49,147 --> 00:00:52,507 Speaker 4: of a reflection of a big fourteen test year calendar 16 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:55,587 Speaker 4: by no means an excuse, but probably a little bit 17 00:00:55,627 --> 00:00:56,147 Speaker 4: of reality. 18 00:00:57,067 --> 00:00:59,747 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it has been a big year. Not every 19 00:00:59,787 --> 00:01:02,507 Speaker 2: All Blacks team plays fourteen Test matches in the calendar year. 20 00:01:02,547 --> 00:01:05,987 Speaker 2: But as far as the cohesion, the execution, the rhythm 21 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:08,187 Speaker 2: with ball on hand, why do you think that was 22 00:01:08,227 --> 00:01:09,787 Speaker 2: so hard to come by? At times? 23 00:01:10,427 --> 00:01:14,227 Speaker 4: It was extremely wet, a lot wetter than we've probably 24 00:01:14,267 --> 00:01:18,227 Speaker 4: prepared for but you know, and we we just we 25 00:01:18,307 --> 00:01:21,987 Speaker 4: put our put our skills under pressure with silly passes 26 00:01:22,107 --> 00:01:25,347 Speaker 4: or offloads when they weren't needed, and just didn't really 27 00:01:25,387 --> 00:01:27,827 Speaker 4: respect the ball as well as we could have, and 28 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:31,147 Speaker 4: we found ourselves not been able to get through the 29 00:01:31,227 --> 00:01:33,987 Speaker 4: defensive line because our carry height was far too high, 30 00:01:34,107 --> 00:01:37,867 Speaker 4: especially in the first half. So it was probably a 31 00:01:37,907 --> 00:01:40,467 Speaker 4: little bit of mix of everything, and you're just a 32 00:01:40,467 --> 00:01:43,147 Speaker 4: little bit messy all around, really, But I guess the 33 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:44,147 Speaker 4: positives are. 34 00:01:43,787 --> 00:01:45,227 Speaker 3: We found a way and we still won. 35 00:01:45,467 --> 00:01:48,027 Speaker 4: But it gives us a little bit of stuff to 36 00:01:48,387 --> 00:01:49,387 Speaker 4: think about over summer. 37 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:50,667 Speaker 3: But we'll worry about that then. 38 00:01:51,347 --> 00:01:54,587 Speaker 2: It doesn't become or does it become a rock under 39 00:01:54,627 --> 00:01:55,547 Speaker 2: the beach towel for you? 40 00:01:57,067 --> 00:01:58,827 Speaker 3: Oh no, not at all. 41 00:01:59,307 --> 00:02:02,067 Speaker 4: No, I think we you know, we can be pretty 42 00:02:02,147 --> 00:02:07,787 Speaker 4: satisfied of I think the performances that we've together for 43 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:10,427 Speaker 4: this whole test calendar as a whole. We can be 44 00:02:11,107 --> 00:02:14,187 Speaker 4: pretty satisfied that we've introduced probably more new all blacks 45 00:02:14,187 --> 00:02:18,267 Speaker 4: to the test arena than normal. But yeah, we've definitely 46 00:02:18,267 --> 00:02:21,787 Speaker 4: got some completion stuff that we will need to work on. 47 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:25,427 Speaker 3: Heading into next year. 48 00:02:25,467 --> 00:02:27,307 Speaker 4: But you know, the boys can be so pretty proud 49 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,267 Speaker 4: that we found a way like, let's stated nothing out 50 00:02:29,267 --> 00:02:32,747 Speaker 4: of Italy like they were immense and they you know, 51 00:02:32,947 --> 00:02:35,187 Speaker 4: it was a big test for them at home. 52 00:02:35,267 --> 00:02:37,267 Speaker 3: They had a lot of hurt from probably the World Cup. 53 00:02:37,107 --> 00:02:40,267 Speaker 4: Game, and it was our prep as genuine as it 54 00:02:40,307 --> 00:02:40,787 Speaker 4: could have been. 55 00:02:41,547 --> 00:02:43,507 Speaker 3: I think it definitely could have been a little bit better. 56 00:02:45,067 --> 00:02:45,827 Speaker 2: In what way. 57 00:02:47,507 --> 00:02:50,147 Speaker 4: I'm not just getting up for probably the mental challenge. 58 00:02:50,227 --> 00:02:52,947 Speaker 4: You know, we've come off three huge test matches and 59 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:57,227 Speaker 4: the likes of you know, when you when you go England, Ireland, 60 00:02:57,227 --> 00:03:00,947 Speaker 4: France and then the Italy Test might have. 61 00:03:00,947 --> 00:03:03,067 Speaker 3: Been just a a bit of an. 62 00:03:03,067 --> 00:03:05,027 Speaker 4: Awakening for some of the guys that are getting used 63 00:03:05,067 --> 00:03:08,027 Speaker 4: to that test arena and how consistent you have to 64 00:03:08,067 --> 00:03:10,387 Speaker 4: be in your preparation every week. 65 00:03:11,907 --> 00:03:14,947 Speaker 2: How happy were you with set Piece in particular the 66 00:03:14,987 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 2: scrum dominance that you had. 67 00:03:17,587 --> 00:03:18,427 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all good. 68 00:03:19,187 --> 00:03:22,267 Speaker 4: I think that we you know, we probably got ourselves 69 00:03:22,347 --> 00:03:23,707 Speaker 4: out of what could have been a real hole if 70 00:03:23,707 --> 00:03:25,787 Speaker 4: it wasn't for some of our scrum penalties that we won. 71 00:03:28,627 --> 00:03:31,587 Speaker 4: Line out was a little bit messy again for both 72 00:03:31,627 --> 00:03:34,587 Speaker 4: teams because it's just so wet. The you know, the 73 00:03:34,587 --> 00:03:37,507 Speaker 4: hookers were struggling to get that ball dry in time 74 00:03:37,547 --> 00:03:39,147 Speaker 4: for both sides, you know, I think it was I 75 00:03:39,147 --> 00:03:41,467 Speaker 4: don't know what the stats were for both sides of 76 00:03:41,507 --> 00:03:44,547 Speaker 4: the ball with the ball in the air, but the 77 00:03:44,627 --> 00:03:47,027 Speaker 4: catch was you know, it was going through hands or 78 00:03:47,067 --> 00:03:49,387 Speaker 4: it was a late late, little tip off and it 79 00:03:49,507 --> 00:03:52,147 Speaker 4: just wasn't as clean as it could have been. But 80 00:03:52,227 --> 00:03:54,627 Speaker 4: again due to the condition conditions. I don't know what 81 00:03:54,667 --> 00:03:56,307 Speaker 4: it looked like on the telly, but the ground. 82 00:03:56,187 --> 00:03:56,947 Speaker 3: Was just so wet. 83 00:03:57,307 --> 00:04:01,587 Speaker 2: Ye, No, that wasn't obvious from watching on TV. So 84 00:04:01,627 --> 00:04:05,267 Speaker 2: that's that's interesting to hear a couple of yellow cards, Jay, 85 00:04:05,347 --> 00:04:07,027 Speaker 2: do you think either of them were a bit soft? 86 00:04:09,907 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the yeah far out. The crock roll 87 00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:16,947 Speaker 4: one from Scooter I thought was interesting. You know, like 88 00:04:17,467 --> 00:04:20,947 Speaker 4: we were told that if you if you, if you crockroll. 89 00:04:20,587 --> 00:04:22,907 Speaker 3: And land on lower limbs and. 90 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:26,467 Speaker 4: It's clear and obvious, that's that's, you know, dangerous play, 91 00:04:26,507 --> 00:04:30,707 Speaker 4: which I'm not sure that was, but I understand that 92 00:04:30,947 --> 00:04:32,867 Speaker 4: they want to remove the crock rolls out of the game. 93 00:04:32,867 --> 00:04:34,587 Speaker 4: But that was more of a twist of the upper body. 94 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:40,467 Speaker 4: So and Anton's one was yeah, probably little bit messy 95 00:04:40,507 --> 00:04:42,227 Speaker 4: as well, Probably don't need to stay in there as well. 96 00:04:42,307 --> 00:04:45,067 Speaker 4: So we'll look at that. But again, like you know, 97 00:04:45,227 --> 00:04:46,987 Speaker 4: if we're going to be honest about that and some 98 00:04:47,067 --> 00:04:50,187 Speaker 4: of our accuracy and cards and that sort of thing, 99 00:04:50,227 --> 00:04:52,547 Speaker 4: it just hasn't been as good as it could be. 100 00:04:52,587 --> 00:04:53,707 Speaker 3: But we'll learn from it. 101 00:04:53,707 --> 00:04:55,427 Speaker 4: I've got no doubt the boy's got a lot of 102 00:04:55,427 --> 00:04:56,827 Speaker 4: care and they want to want to do well. 103 00:04:56,907 --> 00:05:01,187 Speaker 2: So in a wide of sense, Jace, you've used six 104 00:05:01,267 --> 00:05:04,747 Speaker 2: props and three hookers across the fourteen test matches this year, 105 00:05:04,907 --> 00:05:06,747 Speaker 2: how do you assess the All Blacks front row strength 106 00:05:06,747 --> 00:05:07,227 Speaker 2: at the moment. 107 00:05:08,187 --> 00:05:09,587 Speaker 3: I think it's right where it needs to be. 108 00:05:09,627 --> 00:05:11,227 Speaker 4: I think it's actually an Honestly, I think it's a 109 00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:12,427 Speaker 4: bit of a point of difference for us. 110 00:05:13,467 --> 00:05:14,907 Speaker 3: I think we've got some good depth there. 111 00:05:15,507 --> 00:05:19,347 Speaker 4: You know, Simmosony is not here as well, so I 112 00:05:19,347 --> 00:05:22,707 Speaker 4: think that's going to add some good competition next year. 113 00:05:22,707 --> 00:05:24,507 Speaker 4: You know, Cody Taylor's had an our standing year and 114 00:05:24,507 --> 00:05:26,747 Speaker 4: Suffo has really come on to the Test arena which 115 00:05:26,747 --> 00:05:30,347 Speaker 4: has been awesome. And you know, a Tyre Lomax right 116 00:05:30,427 --> 00:05:32,307 Speaker 4: up there. You know, he's best tidy in the world 117 00:05:32,307 --> 00:05:35,067 Speaker 4: in my eyes, and I think we can be pretty 118 00:05:35,067 --> 00:05:38,467 Speaker 4: impressed with how to Mighty's come on as well. So 119 00:05:38,507 --> 00:05:41,747 Speaker 4: I think I think the competition overall is healthy and 120 00:05:41,787 --> 00:05:44,987 Speaker 4: we're probably seeing the awards with that with with our scrum. 121 00:05:45,027 --> 00:05:47,107 Speaker 3: To be fair, how. 122 00:05:46,987 --> 00:05:49,027 Speaker 2: Have you assessed Wallace to Titi's growth in the All 123 00:05:49,027 --> 00:05:51,747 Speaker 2: Blacks Jersey? 124 00:05:52,947 --> 00:05:53,467 Speaker 3: Ah? 125 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:56,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, in all honestly, I don't think there's been a player, 126 00:05:56,587 --> 00:05:59,107 Speaker 4: particularly a loose Ford, arrive on the world stage. 127 00:05:59,867 --> 00:06:03,267 Speaker 3: I like it for some time. He is an immense 128 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:06,307 Speaker 3: young man, so young, he's had a big season. 129 00:06:06,507 --> 00:06:09,227 Speaker 4: We'll have to look after him and make sure that 130 00:06:09,267 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 4: he has a good plan around resetting himself. Got a 131 00:06:12,827 --> 00:06:16,387 Speaker 4: lot of leadership qualities in his own way. He's he's 132 00:06:16,427 --> 00:06:19,787 Speaker 4: a rugby player. He's instinctive and he's clear on what 133 00:06:19,827 --> 00:06:22,587 Speaker 4: he wants to do and it's a real credit to him. 134 00:06:22,587 --> 00:06:26,507 Speaker 3: He's he's been amazing. You feel we would be surprised 135 00:06:26,547 --> 00:06:27,467 Speaker 3: if he doesn't. 136 00:06:27,507 --> 00:06:30,187 Speaker 4: Win that will Breakthrough Player of a Year like he's 137 00:06:30,187 --> 00:06:31,827 Speaker 4: obviously been nominated for that tomorrow. 138 00:06:31,947 --> 00:06:34,707 Speaker 3: So yeah, pretty special mate. 139 00:06:34,827 --> 00:06:37,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels it feels like he should win that one. Okay, 140 00:06:38,107 --> 00:06:40,027 Speaker 2: I was going to say, your fair well, your fair world. 141 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:42,587 Speaker 2: Sam Kaine and t J Pitt Andada tonight both have 142 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:45,147 Speaker 2: been All Blacks for over a decade. Can you give 143 00:06:45,187 --> 00:06:47,387 Speaker 2: us Jason insight into their influence on this team? 144 00:06:48,267 --> 00:06:50,427 Speaker 4: Yeah, been really good on the experienced side of it, 145 00:06:50,867 --> 00:06:53,267 Speaker 4: both of them. I guess it's probably a little bit 146 00:06:53,307 --> 00:06:56,427 Speaker 4: easier for me to comment on Sam Kine because I 147 00:06:56,507 --> 00:06:59,827 Speaker 4: have more to do with him as a forwards. 148 00:06:59,907 --> 00:07:04,107 Speaker 3: But look, I think he's been an amazing All Black. 149 00:07:05,787 --> 00:07:08,627 Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of criticism probably through his 150 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:13,507 Speaker 4: career in different stages, which is just you know, from 151 00:07:13,507 --> 00:07:15,787 Speaker 4: people that have probably got no lack of knowledge of 152 00:07:15,827 --> 00:07:17,827 Speaker 4: what it really requires to be in All Black seven 153 00:07:18,627 --> 00:07:22,547 Speaker 4: and they consistent All Black seven in such a physical 154 00:07:22,587 --> 00:07:25,827 Speaker 4: and demanding position. You know, he's obviously broke his neck 155 00:07:25,867 --> 00:07:27,827 Speaker 4: many years ago, He's had a little bit of back issues. 156 00:07:27,867 --> 00:07:30,747 Speaker 4: He's been resilient, he's been tough. But the leadership that 157 00:07:30,787 --> 00:07:33,907 Speaker 4: he shows in this team on and off the field 158 00:07:34,027 --> 00:07:37,427 Speaker 4: has been amazing. And you know, he'll go down in 159 00:07:37,507 --> 00:07:40,547 Speaker 4: my eyes and a lot of people's, I'm sure as. 160 00:07:40,147 --> 00:07:42,267 Speaker 3: A great All Black. You know, to play one hundred. 161 00:07:41,987 --> 00:07:44,907 Speaker 4: Plus tests, kept in the All Blacks in World Cup, 162 00:07:45,187 --> 00:07:49,667 Speaker 4: and you know he's given back, you know, everything that 163 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:52,187 Speaker 4: were needed for him to do on this tour and 164 00:07:52,227 --> 00:07:54,427 Speaker 4: you know, we had a few injuries where he just 165 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:57,227 Speaker 4: kept playing and being on the side, you know, But 166 00:07:57,867 --> 00:08:00,427 Speaker 4: you know he's been immense, as he keeps saying, really 167 00:08:00,427 --> 00:08:03,187 Speaker 4: proud of Seemi and pretty emotional in the shed seeing 168 00:08:03,267 --> 00:08:05,427 Speaker 4: him take the jersey off for the last time. 169 00:08:05,507 --> 00:08:08,067 Speaker 3: But he's left his mark, that's for sure. 170 00:08:08,747 --> 00:08:10,787 Speaker 2: Is that number seven jersey one of your big live 171 00:08:10,867 --> 00:08:12,667 Speaker 2: selection conversations for next year. 172 00:08:13,547 --> 00:08:15,947 Speaker 4: I think it'll be healthy, won't it. 173 00:08:15,267 --> 00:08:16,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be, It will be. 174 00:08:17,267 --> 00:08:19,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a wall I think when you look 175 00:08:19,507 --> 00:08:21,827 Speaker 4: at you know, obviously adults who're not can't forget about dots. 176 00:08:21,827 --> 00:08:24,747 Speaker 4: He's never got his hemi right and to come back 177 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:26,707 Speaker 4: and was not going to make it over for this 178 00:08:26,827 --> 00:08:29,507 Speaker 4: tour and his plans and good foot he probably started 179 00:08:29,707 --> 00:08:31,107 Speaker 4: not quite out of the blocks as he would have 180 00:08:31,187 --> 00:08:33,027 Speaker 4: liked to in the Test arena, which he knows, but 181 00:08:33,827 --> 00:08:36,627 Speaker 4: you know, he's you know, he'll be he'll be targeting 182 00:08:36,627 --> 00:08:40,547 Speaker 4: at and I know that. You know, we've obviously played 183 00:08:40,627 --> 00:08:44,067 Speaker 4: Artie there as well, and Wallace is an eight and 184 00:08:44,067 --> 00:08:46,627 Speaker 4: and so Ddie can play there too. But Peter Laker 185 00:08:46,747 --> 00:08:49,267 Speaker 4: is going to be pretty good as well. He's pretty 186 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:52,867 Speaker 4: dynamic for a young man. So I think it's exciting 187 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:53,307 Speaker 4: to be fair. 188 00:08:53,747 --> 00:08:55,747 Speaker 2: Yep, they can all wait. So have you warmed up yet? 189 00:08:55,907 --> 00:08:57,507 Speaker 2: It looked bloody cold mate? 190 00:08:58,147 --> 00:08:59,947 Speaker 3: It was yeah, yeah, no it was. 191 00:09:00,907 --> 00:09:03,387 Speaker 4: She was cold yet She's good. I'm looking forward to 192 00:09:04,827 --> 00:09:06,067 Speaker 4: keewy summer. It's for sure. 193 00:09:07,227 --> 00:09:07,987 Speaker 3: Good on you, Jason. 194 00:09:08,027 --> 00:09:09,307 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for joining us. 195 00:09:09,347 --> 00:09:09,947 Speaker 3: Safe travels. 196 00:09:10,227 --> 00:09:11,147 Speaker 2: We'll chat in the new year. 197 00:09:11,867 --> 00:09:13,987 Speaker 3: No worries, Jan Thank you boy, Bye bye. 198 00:09:14,067 --> 00:09:17,307 Speaker 2: That's Jason Ryan joining US assistant coach with the All Blacks, 199 00:09:17,307 --> 00:09:20,267 Speaker 2: with a particular responsibility for the forwards, of course, with 200 00:09:20,347 --> 00:09:20,907 Speaker 2: some interesting 201 00:09:20,947 --> 00:09:24,507 Speaker 1: Thoughts there For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, 202 00:09:24,667 --> 00:09:28,307 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks b weekends from midday, or 203 00:09:28,347 --> 00:09:30,307 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.