1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,387 Speaker 1: from Newstalk. 3 00:00:11,467 --> 00:00:15,347 Speaker 2: Zb B has confirmed a new agreement with Sky as 4 00:00:15,467 --> 00:00:18,507 Speaker 2: broadcast partner for All Rugby in New Zealand for the 5 00:00:18,547 --> 00:00:22,787 Speaker 2: five years from twenty twenty six to twenty thirty. Here 6 00:00:22,787 --> 00:00:27,267 Speaker 2: are the details. Sky will broadcast exclusively live every All 7 00:00:27,267 --> 00:00:31,347 Speaker 2: Blacks match played in Sansar countries, including the Bledisloe Cup 8 00:00:31,427 --> 00:00:34,827 Speaker 2: and Rugby Championship, New Tours between the Spring Box and 9 00:00:34,827 --> 00:00:37,427 Speaker 2: the All Blacks, the New Nations Cup Tournament and the 10 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:40,987 Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine British and Irish Lions Tour of New Zealand. 11 00:00:41,547 --> 00:00:45,027 Speaker 2: Also All Black Ferns matches played in Sansar countries and 12 00:00:45,067 --> 00:00:48,107 Speaker 2: the British and Irish Lions Women's Tour. Here in twenty 13 00:00:48,147 --> 00:00:52,147 Speaker 2: twenty seven, every Super Rugby, Pacific Super Rugby, Opicky and 14 00:00:52,267 --> 00:00:56,707 Speaker 2: superw Match, MAULTI, All Blacks and All Blacks fifteen matches 15 00:00:56,747 --> 00:01:00,867 Speaker 2: played in Sansar countries as well. TV and ZED Meantime 16 00:01:00,987 --> 00:01:05,267 Speaker 2: has secured free to wear broadcast rights for provincial rugby, 17 00:01:05,587 --> 00:01:09,067 Speaker 2: including all in PC matches and select Farah Palmer Cup 18 00:01:09,307 --> 00:01:14,547 Speaker 2: and Heartland Championship games in all ninety three provincial matches 19 00:01:14,947 --> 00:01:18,027 Speaker 2: will be available free to view on TV and Z Plus, 20 00:01:18,387 --> 00:01:22,547 Speaker 2: with three games a week in appointment viewing slots on 21 00:01:22,627 --> 00:01:25,587 Speaker 2: TV and Z one. Sky customers of course will have 22 00:01:26,067 --> 00:01:29,147 Speaker 2: access to all of those games as well. Let's bring 23 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:31,867 Speaker 2: in New Zealand Rugby chair David Kirk. David, thanks for 24 00:01:31,947 --> 00:01:35,187 Speaker 2: joining us. How happy are you with the deal you've struck. 25 00:01:35,507 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 3: Well, I'm very happy. I think it's a great deal 26 00:01:37,947 --> 00:01:39,507 Speaker 3: Ponzell and Rugby, and I'm sure it's a deal a 27 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:43,507 Speaker 3: little work well for Sky, so we'll have a committed 28 00:01:43,787 --> 00:01:46,867 Speaker 3: and enthusiastic partner to work with and looking forward to 29 00:01:46,907 --> 00:01:47,947 Speaker 3: the next five years. 30 00:01:48,147 --> 00:01:51,227 Speaker 2: How important was it to you to have NPC on 31 00:01:51,667 --> 00:01:52,267 Speaker 2: free to air? 32 00:01:53,187 --> 00:01:57,147 Speaker 3: Very important. We know that it's more and more competitive 33 00:01:57,267 --> 00:02:02,907 Speaker 3: to have young people and fans generally engaged with rugby. 34 00:02:02,947 --> 00:02:05,187 Speaker 3: There are there lots of alternatives these days, so it's 35 00:02:05,227 --> 00:02:07,867 Speaker 3: really important for us to be able to get the 36 00:02:07,907 --> 00:02:11,227 Speaker 3: great pregnancy play in this country, both men's and women's, 37 00:02:11,267 --> 00:02:14,547 Speaker 3: in front of as many people as possible, and particularly 38 00:02:14,587 --> 00:02:19,587 Speaker 3: in the period of challenging household budgets, it really is 39 00:02:19,587 --> 00:02:22,707 Speaker 3: great to be able to broadcast free to wear ninety 40 00:02:22,747 --> 00:02:27,907 Speaker 3: three NPC games and selected far apart of Cup games 41 00:02:27,947 --> 00:02:29,467 Speaker 3: and also Heartland games. 42 00:02:30,107 --> 00:02:32,627 Speaker 2: How do those conversations play out? Because I guess in 43 00:02:32,707 --> 00:02:36,187 Speaker 2: an ideal world, a broadcaster wants everything behind their paywall, 44 00:02:36,307 --> 00:02:38,347 Speaker 2: whereas as you say, you want as many eyeballs on 45 00:02:38,387 --> 00:02:41,907 Speaker 2: the game as possible while maximizing your broadcast revenue. So 46 00:02:42,707 --> 00:02:44,507 Speaker 2: is that one of the more challenging parts of the 47 00:02:44,547 --> 00:02:45,827 Speaker 2: conversation the negotiation? 48 00:02:46,787 --> 00:02:49,827 Speaker 3: Yes, I think you know what happens in these negotiations 49 00:02:50,067 --> 00:02:53,467 Speaker 3: as people bring to the negotiation table what matters to them, 50 00:02:53,907 --> 00:02:56,667 Speaker 3: what's important to them, and what they want to see 51 00:02:56,667 --> 00:03:00,227 Speaker 3: in the agreement. And often there's lots of agreement on 52 00:03:00,227 --> 00:03:02,827 Speaker 3: that and you can be pretty alike. But then sometimes 53 00:03:02,907 --> 00:03:05,747 Speaker 3: there's disagreement and you have to find ways around that, 54 00:03:06,827 --> 00:03:08,987 Speaker 3: and you know, sometimes there are tradeoffs, and the trade 55 00:03:09,027 --> 00:03:12,147 Speaker 3: offs are, you know, how much money one party is 56 00:03:12,187 --> 00:03:15,347 Speaker 3: prepared to pay, and if they're not prepared to pay 57 00:03:15,387 --> 00:03:18,307 Speaker 3: more than that, then we need to find other ways 58 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:21,267 Speaker 3: for the party with the content that's us ended are 59 00:03:21,467 --> 00:03:24,587 Speaker 3: to get value out of the deal. And being able 60 00:03:24,707 --> 00:03:28,667 Speaker 3: to carve out matches or to to co broadcast matches 61 00:03:31,587 --> 00:03:34,307 Speaker 3: is a way in which we've been able to solve 62 00:03:34,587 --> 00:03:37,227 Speaker 3: some of those challenges, so it means it's kind of 63 00:03:37,227 --> 00:03:40,267 Speaker 3: a win win for both parties when you get that agreement. 64 00:03:40,787 --> 00:03:43,107 Speaker 2: Sky have recently bought TV three. Of course, did that 65 00:03:43,227 --> 00:03:45,787 Speaker 2: happen a bit too late for them to be considered 66 00:03:45,827 --> 00:03:46,827 Speaker 2: as a free to wear partner. 67 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:49,747 Speaker 3: I don't know that would have been you know, that 68 00:03:49,747 --> 00:03:51,587 Speaker 3: would have been to them, but I think yes, as 69 00:03:51,587 --> 00:03:54,147 Speaker 3: the untasis, it wasn't that long ago that they announced 70 00:03:54,147 --> 00:03:55,987 Speaker 3: that they had made that purchase, and here we are 71 00:03:55,987 --> 00:03:59,347 Speaker 3: announced in the agreement, and the agreement has been been 72 00:03:59,387 --> 00:04:03,387 Speaker 3: in the process of being negotiated for considerable time before that, 73 00:04:03,667 --> 00:04:07,627 Speaker 3: so it was very late in the piece. But they 74 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:10,507 Speaker 3: know they'll have their own views and understandings about what 75 00:04:10,627 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 3: they want to do with TV three. 76 00:04:12,907 --> 00:04:15,747 Speaker 2: Up to five offshore all Blacks and black Fern's tests 77 00:04:15,947 --> 00:04:19,587 Speaker 2: respectively across the five year period are not included in 78 00:04:19,707 --> 00:04:21,467 Speaker 2: this deal. Why have you done that? 79 00:04:22,347 --> 00:04:27,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is another very innovative and really interesting carve 80 00:04:27,427 --> 00:04:30,227 Speaker 3: out if you like carving out five test matches. We 81 00:04:30,267 --> 00:04:31,987 Speaker 3: don't know exactly what they are or where they'll be 82 00:04:32,387 --> 00:04:34,707 Speaker 3: at the moment, but these these test matches are not 83 00:04:34,987 --> 00:04:38,267 Speaker 3: covered by the deal, which means the way opportunity for 84 00:04:38,387 --> 00:04:44,187 Speaker 3: us to think about reach and engagement with fans. We 85 00:04:44,307 --> 00:04:46,747 Speaker 3: may make a decision to take less money but engage 86 00:04:46,747 --> 00:04:49,467 Speaker 3: more people, for instance, or we may find that there's 87 00:04:49,507 --> 00:04:52,787 Speaker 3: an alternative broadcaster that would like to broadcast those games 88 00:04:52,827 --> 00:04:55,187 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. So it just gives us an opportunity 89 00:04:55,427 --> 00:04:59,427 Speaker 3: to be a bit innovative, to take advantage of potential 90 00:04:59,547 --> 00:05:02,947 Speaker 3: market changes and opportunities. And again, I think it's something 91 00:05:02,987 --> 00:05:04,067 Speaker 3: that works for both parties. 92 00:05:04,787 --> 00:05:07,627 Speaker 2: Is there any chance that Sky will bid for and 93 00:05:07,987 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 2: or win broadcast rights for some or all of those 94 00:05:11,147 --> 00:05:11,747 Speaker 2: test matches? 95 00:05:12,947 --> 00:05:16,547 Speaker 3: That will be entirely up to them. They will, they 96 00:05:16,627 --> 00:05:18,867 Speaker 3: are certainly very welcome the bids for them, and I 97 00:05:18,947 --> 00:05:22,987 Speaker 3: imagine they will actually but that they can't certainly can't 98 00:05:23,067 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 3: forecast exactly what they will do, but they will certainly 99 00:05:26,387 --> 00:05:27,467 Speaker 3: be in the mixes they want to be. 100 00:05:27,987 --> 00:05:29,867 Speaker 2: Is this a way of getting the all blacks onto 101 00:05:30,587 --> 00:05:32,867 Speaker 2: a massive platform like Netflix for example. 102 00:05:33,507 --> 00:05:37,587 Speaker 3: That's definitely a possibility, no doubt, that's definitely possibility, and 103 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:43,227 Speaker 3: it's more sort of beginning to test the waters a 104 00:05:43,267 --> 00:05:47,587 Speaker 3: little bit, if you like, for major global streaming program platforms. 105 00:05:47,707 --> 00:05:51,467 Speaker 3: Is what they are inclined to do. So taking the opportunity, 106 00:05:51,627 --> 00:05:54,587 Speaker 3: for instance, to broadcast or you match in New Zealand 107 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:59,787 Speaker 3: and in other jurisdictions and seeing what responses and how 108 00:05:59,827 --> 00:06:04,067 Speaker 3: they can leverage that for growth of their own subscribers 109 00:06:04,107 --> 00:06:06,787 Speaker 3: and so on will be something that we will certainly 110 00:06:06,827 --> 00:06:09,827 Speaker 3: be happy to to investigate and I think they would 111 00:06:09,827 --> 00:06:10,147 Speaker 3: as well. 112 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 2: Again, the balance, I guess, David iss eyeballs v money, 113 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:16,427 Speaker 2: isn't it? You know, if you've got you know, a 114 00:06:16,627 --> 00:06:20,547 Speaker 2: significant amount of money for the rights to broadcast these 115 00:06:21,347 --> 00:06:24,507 Speaker 2: these five matches, would it actually matter how many people 116 00:06:24,547 --> 00:06:24,987 Speaker 2: were watching? 117 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:30,067 Speaker 3: Well, yes, yes it does. It always matters how many 118 00:06:30,107 --> 00:06:32,267 Speaker 3: people are watching. We want to get the game in 119 00:06:32,667 --> 00:06:36,227 Speaker 3: front of people, and we want people to understand, to 120 00:06:36,707 --> 00:06:39,587 Speaker 3: connect with our teams, to watch our teams, hopefully to 121 00:06:39,627 --> 00:06:43,787 Speaker 3: watch our teams win. So that's that's always at the 122 00:06:43,827 --> 00:06:45,667 Speaker 3: forefront of our think. But but of course we need 123 00:06:45,707 --> 00:06:48,107 Speaker 3: to fund the game. We need to fund all the 124 00:06:48,147 --> 00:06:50,947 Speaker 3: investment in the community game. We need to fund the 125 00:06:51,187 --> 00:06:55,467 Speaker 3: professional players, so we need we need to balance those 126 00:06:55,507 --> 00:06:56,027 Speaker 3: two things. 127 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:59,147 Speaker 2: I'm almost certain you've done market research on this. You 128 00:06:59,227 --> 00:07:02,947 Speaker 2: believe that there are potential, you know, potential bidders plural 129 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:04,307 Speaker 2: for the rights for these matches. 130 00:07:04,987 --> 00:07:08,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we know. You know, it's you know, there's 131 00:07:08,867 --> 00:07:10,467 Speaker 3: range of people who could who could definitely do it. 132 00:07:10,507 --> 00:07:13,627 Speaker 3: And you've pointed to the major global streaming services and 133 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:16,627 Speaker 3: there are a lot of them now, and there are 134 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:19,667 Speaker 3: a number of services which are very specifically focused on 135 00:07:19,827 --> 00:07:24,467 Speaker 3: sport and indeed buying rights to sport around the world. 136 00:07:24,587 --> 00:07:26,867 Speaker 3: So you know, those are two sort of groups of 137 00:07:27,627 --> 00:07:30,667 Speaker 3: potential bar but there would be a range of others 138 00:07:30,707 --> 00:07:33,987 Speaker 3: as well. There are definitely opportunities. 139 00:07:33,507 --> 00:07:35,707 Speaker 2: And this and just to clarify these matches, they're like 140 00:07:35,787 --> 00:07:38,787 Speaker 2: a young spring box all blacks before the last Rugby 141 00:07:38,827 --> 00:07:42,027 Speaker 2: World Cup sort of arrangement or a one off test somewhere. 142 00:07:42,187 --> 00:07:43,627 Speaker 2: Is that Is that what we're talking about here? 143 00:07:44,107 --> 00:07:46,507 Speaker 3: Correct, That's exactly what we're talking about, all right. 144 00:07:47,027 --> 00:07:50,107 Speaker 2: Can you foresee a time, David, where live Rugby is 145 00:07:50,187 --> 00:07:52,867 Speaker 2: broadcast on your own digital channel ended our plus and 146 00:07:53,147 --> 00:07:54,667 Speaker 2: and you sell direct to consumer. 147 00:07:55,827 --> 00:07:57,907 Speaker 3: That's a possibility, It's it's it would be a little 148 00:07:57,947 --> 00:08:00,267 Speaker 3: way off at the moment in terms of our ability 149 00:08:00,387 --> 00:08:03,747 Speaker 3: to monetize that. At the moment, we are not charging 150 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:07,307 Speaker 3: a lot for people to join inded ore Plus because 151 00:08:07,347 --> 00:08:10,707 Speaker 3: we want to build and build our fan base, and 152 00:08:10,787 --> 00:08:12,867 Speaker 3: we want people to engage with us and engage with 153 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:17,027 Speaker 3: the specific content we produce in the house and sometimes 154 00:08:17,107 --> 00:08:20,947 Speaker 3: we re deploy from other places on to end at 155 00:08:20,987 --> 00:08:25,227 Speaker 3: our plus. We want to build a a fan base 156 00:08:25,267 --> 00:08:27,747 Speaker 3: all around the world, and many other sports have have 157 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:31,787 Speaker 3: done this is it's a great way to be able 158 00:08:31,867 --> 00:08:35,187 Speaker 3: to offer a real value to sponsors when they know 159 00:08:35,347 --> 00:08:37,747 Speaker 3: that you can put them in front of their brands, 160 00:08:37,907 --> 00:08:39,587 Speaker 3: in front of a lot of people on your own 161 00:08:39,627 --> 00:08:40,427 Speaker 3: digital platform. 162 00:08:41,187 --> 00:08:44,227 Speaker 2: And it's been widely reported this deal is worth significantly 163 00:08:44,347 --> 00:08:46,027 Speaker 2: less and dollar terms to ends it are than the 164 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:51,227 Speaker 2: previous deal or is that something that you have budgeted for, Yes, 165 00:08:51,707 --> 00:08:53,187 Speaker 2: it is, and it is. 166 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:58,547 Speaker 3: We're somewhat less as a domestic deal with the previous deal. 167 00:08:58,867 --> 00:09:02,387 Speaker 3: People familiar with the circumstances will know that the last 168 00:09:02,507 --> 00:09:05,747 Speaker 3: deal was a really, really a one off situation when 169 00:09:05,787 --> 00:09:09,147 Speaker 3: there was a great deal of competition for the broadcasting 170 00:09:09,227 --> 00:09:12,507 Speaker 3: rights because Spark at that time was starting up their 171 00:09:12,547 --> 00:09:15,747 Speaker 3: own sports but broadcasting rights and they were very keen 172 00:09:16,107 --> 00:09:18,867 Speaker 3: to get broadcasting rights. So that was a one off 173 00:09:18,907 --> 00:09:22,147 Speaker 3: situation which we didn't have this time around. But what 174 00:09:22,267 --> 00:09:24,147 Speaker 3: we do have this time around is a whole lot 175 00:09:24,187 --> 00:09:29,147 Speaker 3: more international content, including the greatest rivalry with South Africa 176 00:09:29,267 --> 00:09:33,587 Speaker 3: and the Nation's Cup and other events. And that's going 177 00:09:33,667 --> 00:09:38,147 Speaker 3: to get us back to in total pretty much exactly 178 00:09:38,187 --> 00:09:39,667 Speaker 3: where we are with the old deal. 179 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:42,987 Speaker 2: Was the were the all Blacks and Blackfoods test matches 180 00:09:42,987 --> 00:09:45,147 Speaker 2: outside the steal a major sticking point for Sky. 181 00:09:46,427 --> 00:09:50,227 Speaker 3: The five you mean we're talking about No, no, no, 182 00:09:50,547 --> 00:09:52,587 Speaker 3: they were. I mean that's again, you know, a way 183 00:09:52,667 --> 00:09:55,547 Speaker 3: of squaring the circle if you like. You know, they 184 00:09:55,587 --> 00:09:57,947 Speaker 3: we they were only able to pay a certain amount. 185 00:09:58,987 --> 00:10:01,347 Speaker 3: We realized that there was more value and they accepted 186 00:10:01,387 --> 00:10:04,267 Speaker 3: that there was more value in these additional games. They 187 00:10:04,347 --> 00:10:07,107 Speaker 3: weren't able to pay for those, so they were happy 188 00:10:07,187 --> 00:10:11,867 Speaker 3: for us to find a way to monetize them ourselves later. 189 00:10:12,107 --> 00:10:14,787 Speaker 2: All right, So squared away. So in summary, happy with 190 00:10:14,907 --> 00:10:17,307 Speaker 2: where we are heading into the next five years, and 191 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:20,827 Speaker 2: some opportunities, as you say, to leverage some broadcast revenue 192 00:10:20,827 --> 00:10:24,027 Speaker 2: from these matches that sit outside this deal you've struck 193 00:10:24,107 --> 00:10:24,467 Speaker 2: with Sky. 194 00:10:25,227 --> 00:10:27,867 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're absolutely happy, Jason. You know, it's been going 195 00:10:27,907 --> 00:10:29,267 Speaker 3: on for a long time. It's great to bring it 196 00:10:29,347 --> 00:10:32,227 Speaker 3: to close. It's great to have both parties feeling that 197 00:10:32,347 --> 00:10:35,747 Speaker 3: they're going forward together. We've been partners for a long time, 198 00:10:36,227 --> 00:10:38,667 Speaker 3: going forward together with a deal that works for both 199 00:10:38,667 --> 00:10:41,667 Speaker 3: of us. So we're both feeling good about it. And 200 00:10:41,747 --> 00:10:43,707 Speaker 3: that's exactly where we want to be because we've got 201 00:10:43,747 --> 00:10:45,667 Speaker 3: to work together for the next ideas. 202 00:10:46,227 --> 00:10:47,707 Speaker 2: We'll next port of business. You've got to find a 203 00:10:47,747 --> 00:10:50,707 Speaker 2: new CEO. How's that going underway? 204 00:10:51,547 --> 00:10:55,427 Speaker 3: You know, the way these processes work, there's a clear 205 00:10:55,507 --> 00:10:58,267 Speaker 3: position description written, so we need to really be clear 206 00:10:58,307 --> 00:11:01,707 Speaker 3: about what we're looking for in our next CEO, and 207 00:11:01,787 --> 00:11:06,867 Speaker 3: we need to engage a search consultant partner. And we've 208 00:11:06,907 --> 00:11:09,627 Speaker 3: done both of those two things, and now that partners 209 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:13,907 Speaker 3: out there scouring the landscape for you know, a long 210 00:11:13,987 --> 00:11:15,907 Speaker 3: list of people, and then that gets shortened to a 211 00:11:15,947 --> 00:11:18,907 Speaker 3: short list and then we start the interview process. So 212 00:11:18,987 --> 00:11:20,547 Speaker 3: it takes a little while. It's a sort of a 213 00:11:20,627 --> 00:11:24,907 Speaker 3: methodical process, and you know, we're very hopeful that we'll 214 00:11:24,987 --> 00:11:26,267 Speaker 3: we'll find someone who'll be great. 215 00:11:26,147 --> 00:11:29,027 Speaker 2: For us, be pretty attractive role. Wouldn't that it'd be 216 00:11:29,427 --> 00:11:30,907 Speaker 2: a few people with their hat in that ring. 217 00:11:31,667 --> 00:11:33,747 Speaker 3: I think you're right, Jason, people, you know, the all 218 00:11:33,787 --> 00:11:37,827 Speaker 3: blacks and increasingly our other black brands and black fans 219 00:11:37,827 --> 00:11:42,467 Speaker 3: in our sevens teams are you know, extraordinary sporting teams 220 00:11:42,547 --> 00:11:45,667 Speaker 3: on the global stage and we have you know, it's 221 00:11:45,787 --> 00:11:48,867 Speaker 3: challenging for CHIV executive that we but but if you're 222 00:11:48,947 --> 00:11:50,987 Speaker 3: up to the challenge, you know, the combination of a 223 00:11:51,067 --> 00:11:57,267 Speaker 3: global running a global sports brand and company and you're 224 00:11:57,347 --> 00:12:00,507 Speaker 3: running community rugby and investing in community rugby and being 225 00:12:00,667 --> 00:12:03,187 Speaker 3: part of what rugby means to New Zealand is it's 226 00:12:03,227 --> 00:12:05,667 Speaker 3: pretty attractive. As you say, I think it's a really 227 00:12:05,867 --> 00:12:08,467 Speaker 3: challenging that I am something that could be really meaningful 228 00:12:08,507 --> 00:12:10,707 Speaker 3: and worthwhile for chief Exdicators. 229 00:12:11,067 --> 00:12:13,427 Speaker 2: Really appreciate you joining us to give us background to 230 00:12:13,427 --> 00:12:15,187 Speaker 2: the broadcast deal. David, Thanks so much for your time 231 00:12:15,227 --> 00:12:18,627 Speaker 2: this afternoon. Thank you, David. David Kirk, chair of the 232 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:21,347 Speaker 2: Board of New Zealand Rugby, with some background to this 233 00:12:21,467 --> 00:12:22,307 Speaker 2: broadcast deal. 234 00:12:22,987 --> 00:12:26,187 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 235 00:12:26,307 --> 00:12:29,587 Speaker 1: to News Talk st B weekends from midday or follow 236 00:12:29,627 --> 00:12:31,187 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.