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Speaker 2: Private Investigators Investigating suspected cheating. There's a story in the

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Speaker 2: Hero Today about a woman called Allie Marsh. She became

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Speaker 2: a private investigator at the age of fifty, sitting up

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Speaker 2: her own agency. She charges, get this, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety two bucks an hour, and most of her work

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Speaker 2: is investigating potential cheatish, So.

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Speaker 3: That's not too bad. Is one hundred and ninety two

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Speaker 3: dollars an hour? It's good wicket to be a private eye.

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Speaker 3: I guess you're sitting in front of a lot of houses,

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Speaker 3: taking photographs, following people around and stuff. It sounds quite

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Speaker 3: quite like a glamorous career to me. Yeah, sounds pretty

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Speaker 3: megn and Pi. It sounds like the life that's probably

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Speaker 3: more glamorous than kicking Chloe Swarbrick out of Parliament. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Jerry Browne would want to do this for one hundred

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Speaker 3: ninety two dollars an hour.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's good money. And if you sit around eating

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Speaker 2: donuts or you know, having liaisons with nice looking ladies.

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Speaker 3: Why did you bring up sitting around eating donuts? After

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Speaker 3: I said Jerry Brownley.

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Speaker 2: No reason, no reason. Who doesn't like a donut? One

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty eighty. If you are a private investigator, what

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Speaker 2: is involved in the work that you do? How much

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Speaker 2: of it is investigating suspected cheatas within a relationship. I

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Speaker 2: imagine there's a lot of private investigators that would do

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Speaker 2: the old trackdown family members as well. That would be

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And with a private investigate, do you need to

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Speaker 3: have a license? What qualifications do you have to be

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Speaker 3: have to be a private investigator in New Zealand? Is

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Speaker 3: it a good way to make money?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 3: And have you used a private investigator?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: to call. And I'll tell you what right now, we

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Speaker 2: do actually have a private investigator who's called in and

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Speaker 2: his name's Dion and he's on the line.

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Speaker 3: Get a d on, Holy go there you go, bloody good,

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Speaker 3: thanks Dion. So how long have you been a private

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Speaker 3: investigator for?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Look since I was eighteen, so nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 4: which kind of makes us feel particularly old today.

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Speaker 3: So because a lot of private investigators are ex police officers.

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Speaker 3: But you went straight into it. After school, did you

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Speaker 3: don I.

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Speaker 4: Was the exception really to the rule. I had an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to work with a private investigation company and security

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Speaker 4: consultancy and I basically managed to work with a couple

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Speaker 4: of pioneers, if you like, for the PI industry, and

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Speaker 4: specifically they hired me to do some jobs and from

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Speaker 4: there I've remained in the industry for ceva years.

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Speaker 3: And what qualifications did you have to get to become

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably a very good question, really. So I

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Speaker 4: was fortunate enough that the Royal News here and Police

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Speaker 4: College had an investigation skills course, so I did that.

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Speaker 4: I also did a certified fraud Examiner's certification, which unfortunately

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Speaker 4: is now expired. And plus there was lots and lots

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Speaker 4: I did some specific tasks for them which I could

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Speaker 4: get away a lot more than they could because they

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Speaker 4: all look like they've been in the police and I hadn't.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by that? I see they were recognizable,

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Speaker 3: they had big mustaches or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You see them at the street and go he's probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what would most of your work encompass now,

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Speaker 2: din Is it a bit of a mix or is

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Speaker 2: it lean heavily towards the investigating infidelity look.

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Speaker 4: I operates the Neil Group otherwise known as TG, and

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Speaker 4: of course I'm going to tell you that you should

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Speaker 4: go to TG dot NZ for some information. But the

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Speaker 4: services that we provide around private investigations does vary, and

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Speaker 4: we do get involved with fraud and theft investigations, work

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Speaker 4: And if you go back to infidelity, which I think

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Speaker 4: cheating partner scenario, it only probably represents a very small

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Speaker 4: do now is obtaining evidence. We do a lot of

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Speaker 4: work with law firms, we do a lot of work

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Speaker 3: So are you're spending a bit of time sitting in

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Speaker 4: Well, you've got to get used to sitting on your own,

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Speaker 4: remaining really observant, and you've got to be able to

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Speaker 4: remain focused. And so yes, you do spend a lot

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Speaker 3: So you're following cars a couple of cars behind, and

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Speaker 4: Look, I was again, I was very lucky, like in

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Speaker 4: and investigations by some of the most amazing people from

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Speaker 4: the private investigation industry and sadly to have passed away now,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I would never have been able to

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Speaker 4: get into this industry without those two particular gentlemen, and

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Speaker 4: the support of a great group of ex detectives and

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Speaker 4: police officers is too many to name, but they've really

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Speaker 4: industries that it really is just it's quite rewarding, and

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Speaker 4: I could never imagine doing anything else now. And I

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Speaker 4: other careers, and I've actually done it all my days off.

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Speaker 4: For example, I've tried to leave a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: Have you, you know, to use the Hollywood term, have

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Speaker 2: you ever been made while you're on a job that

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Speaker 4: There are people that are surveillance savvy, if you like.

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Speaker 4: There are people that do have reason to continue to

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Speaker 4: that we carry out surveillance. Probably in my early days,

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Speaker 3: And so that sort of bigs a question, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: What's as a job is at a high risk occupation.

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Speaker 3: I imagine being found out by one of these kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it can be. It really depends on the

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Speaker 4: You know, we do everything from process serving, which is

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Speaker 4: the service of legal documents, to motor vehicle repositions, to

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Speaker 4: field visits, which is like a door knock and reconnecting

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Speaker 4: our clients with their client. So you know, it used

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Speaker 4: serving a legal document, or even if field visit can

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Speaker 4: when we approach any property anyhow, because yeah, there is

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Speaker 4: a certain amount of risk involve for sure.

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Speaker 3: Is being a private investigator? Well, what's a better way

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Speaker 3: to ask us? I don't have a better way. Is

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Speaker 3: it a good paying job? Does it pay? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's a bit like being a real estate agent.

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Speaker 4: You know, things are when things are growth are great

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Speaker 4: and when they're not, they're really not. And there are

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Speaker 4: some specialize in particular investigation work, some are generalists, and

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Speaker 4: some people only last a year or two, not even that,

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Speaker 4: try something else. But it is well paying depending on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is fair enough to dion. So for

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Speaker 2: and then there must be privacy issues that come into

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Speaker 2: did you and they suspect there's fraud or cheating, infidelity,

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Speaker 4: But they can I think in particular workplace investigation, So

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Speaker 4: So you have a private investigator that does the work

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Speaker 4: does you know a lot of you know, the intelligence

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Speaker 4: they will be probably interviewer one or two people typically

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Speaker 4: what we would suggest as the offender. They will also

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Speaker 4: So this sometimes there's whistleblowers inside companies and sometimes that

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Speaker 4: is the reasons for why private investigators are employed. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you know what led us to the story was

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Speaker 3: Ali Marsh, who's become a private investigator at fifty. Is

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Speaker 3: it a job that you would recommend to people? I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people losing their jobs at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Is it a profession that you would recommend to others?

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Speaker 4: I would, but I would probably be cautious right now

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Speaker 4: around around that because there are a lot of private

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Speaker 4: investigators and like I said before, it's a bit like

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Speaker 4: being a real estate agent, so you can't always guarantee

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Speaker 4: your income. But what we like to do, like at

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Speaker 4: the Nail Group, we also have Proceeded, which is a

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Speaker 4: processive and company, so we like to diversify, guess in

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Speaker 4: terms of one part of the business, like proceed might

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Speaker 4: be incredibly busy, which it often is doing serving documents.

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Speaker 4: On the other side of the Mail Group, we also

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Speaker 4: do security consultancy work, so we also provide some high

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Speaker 4: and it might be a major sift or Ford investigation,

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Speaker 4: and it will take a lot of resources, and you know,

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Speaker 4: you might get two or three private investigators on that job.

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Speaker 4: When that's not happening, we're outseerving documents, we're repossessing cars,

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Speaker 4: we're finding missing people, We're doing door knocks, field visits.

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Speaker 4: That sort of thing fascinating.

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Speaker 3: And this might sound an odd question, but a lot

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Speaker 3: to answer it. But do you work for sir Peter Jackson?

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Speaker 4: I can't really comment about the clients that we work with.

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Speaker 2: I you've you've got the training.

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Speaker 3: Do you work for Jamie Oliver.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep going down the list until you say.

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Speaker 5: we can carry on like this all day? Yeah, yeah, Look, look,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate the opportunity to talk about private investigators, and

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Speaker 5: megland p I sure wasn't it. Well yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: But well, to be fair, that belonged to Robin Masters.

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Speaker 3: He was just borrowing it. But yeah, I get your point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very yeah, this is a very good point.

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Speaker 4: So I look, I'm going to continue down this journey.

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Speaker 4: My business will only grow and it was, it will

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Speaker 4: can best, you know, I guess add some real value

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Speaker 4: So a lot of what we do, we even we

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Speaker 2: Really good to check with you, Dan all the very

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