1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: global exposure like no. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: Other Huddle Today Jose Pagani from Chavan the CEO and 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 2: David Pharaoh from Kiwi Barga Courier posters. Hello people, Hell ill, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: let's just talk about what we've just been talking about. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: What did you make David of Donald Trump's floating the 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: idea of clearing out Gaza. 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: This is Egypt and Jordan's worst nightmare and will never happen. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: Egypt built a wall to keep Palestinians and Gaza out 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: of Egypt. People forget there's a wall on both sides. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: Jordan controlled the West Bank for nineteen years before nineteen 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: sixty seven. They didn't set up a Palestinian government. They 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: didn't say to Palestinians, cume liv and Jordan, you can 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: be part of Jordan, etc. They do not want a 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 3: huge influx of Palestinians into Jordan. In Egypt and they 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: probably have to almost feel sorry for their leaders because 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: they've seen at home. They think we'll go good relationship 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: with Trump and then he comes out with this half 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: for thought and this only having to deal with that. 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's just not gain. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Josie, as Greg Barton just said, you know, 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: he starts high, ends out low. He brings in new ideas, 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: something might happen. And as he said, maybe that the 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: Saudis might come in and rebuild Gaza for everybody. 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: Well, we hope this ends up is that the regional 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: powers around Gaza have got to step up, right, So 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: that's Egypt, it's Jordan, it's the Saudis, it's Syria. It's 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: a new leadership in Syria. And hopefully where this ends 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: up is that, of course it has to be an 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 4: Arab led rebuild. It can't be a rebuild that's led 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: by the US or even the EU, although everybody is 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: going to have to be part of it. I mean, 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: as ChildFund Andrew, we're in Garza, we've got partners in 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: Gaza and we're working, you know, to try and rebuild already, 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: and it's incredible. I mean, there's fifty million tons of 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: rubble let alone, the forty two thousand sualties, most of 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: whom are children and women. So it's a huge, huge 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: rebuild and it's going to cost about fifty billion, and 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: you cannot do it without those regional partners there. So 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: I hope, in this sort of disruptive, obnoxious way that 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: Trump has of trying to insert himself into global politics, 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: if we end up in a place where the Arab 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: states around Gaza are putting pressure on Israel to say, hey, 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 4: you have to support the Palestinian authority as an alternative 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: to Humas. There has to be a government in Palestine 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: that we can work with, and there has to be 47 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: a two state solution. 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: Vaccinaly, isn't it. Some people think he's a genius, others 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: think he's just lucky. Whatever, he's certainly interesting. Josey Bigani 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: and David Farrer are on the huddle today. The Treaty 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: Principles Bill submissions started and David, you made a submission, 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: So how did it go and was it constructive? 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: I was pleasantly surprised that went well, as in all 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: the questions we're genuinely engaging with my submission, rather than gotchas, 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: which they often are. And I posed a bit of 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: a challenge to the MPs because we all know this 57 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: bill won't pass. But the point I made is should 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: Parliament remain silent on what the principles of the tricky 59 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: are having stuck it into thirty pieces of legislation and 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: leave it to judiciary is actually a dereliction of duty. 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: If you do that, then you're going to get politicized 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: judges like in the US. So what I said is 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: why doesn't each political party put forward their own version 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: of what they think the principles should be and then 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: start negotiating seeing what common ground there is, and then 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: you actually can have a debate about what version of 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: the principle is most correct. But just saying we're going 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: to do nothing and leave the status crime place, I 69 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: think it's a very bad idea. And like I said, 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: the MP's engaged with that. They talked about the pros 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: and cons of Parliament are working to define the principles, 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: which would not necessarily be the principles there are at 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: that party bill. 74 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: Well, it's good that you found a constructor because Hobbs's 75 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: pledge did not. They are annoy that they didn't get 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: pictures submit on the first day, so they swapped spots 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: with another group to make sure they were heard. Today 78 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: the committee said you responded too late, and Hobbs's pledge 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: to say no, we know we have the receipts to 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: prove it. So should they have waited their turn, Josie, 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: because well, they were going to speak. It's not that 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: they weren't going to speak, and they claim that they 83 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: were being censored and muzzled. 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 4: To be honest, though, Andrew, you know, it's not really 85 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: the big issue, is it. I mean, they got to speak. 86 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: They can have a little argument behind the scenes as 87 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: to who said what when and whose emails were a 88 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: record of what happened, But the real issue is exactly 89 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: the stuff David was just talking about, which is, you know, 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: how do we deal with a discussion about the treaty? 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 4: And I think the problem with the principle the Treaty 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: Principal's bill is that it's trying to insert another legal 93 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: mechanism into something that's already our constitutional document, i e. 94 00:04:59,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: The Treaty. 95 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: And if you think about the US Constitution, for example, 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 4: I mean, imagine the divisions that you or further divisions 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: you would cause in the US if you suddenly introduced 98 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: a bill to interpret the Constitution. So you know, for example, 99 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: US Constitution has something like right to bear arms. Well, 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: they of course they don't mean you can get muskets 101 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: and start having vigilante groups like they did in the 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: you know, seventeen hundreds. What they mean is you've got 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: a right to own a gun. So Americans can debate that, 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 4: you know, and they do all the time about whether 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 4: that's something you should or shouldn't do. But you don't 106 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 4: need another legal mechanism to insert in the middle of it, 107 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: where you're just going to make things worse. And that's 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: the problem with this Treaty's Principal Bill. And the other 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: problem with it is that it's basically a contract. Right. 110 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: It's like a trade treaty or a visa free treaty 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 4: or whatever. Certain obligations, certain responsibilities have been promised to Mary, 112 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: and I would say a really good example of that is, 113 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: I know you've been talking about it, Andrew, the charter schools, 114 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: which are a devolution to Mary to run their own education. 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: So there are modern ways of interpreting the treaty without 116 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: having this sort of disruptive Treaty's Principal Bill. 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: Now, the other big thing that happened today is that 118 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: Nikola Willis came out and said we can have a 119 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: ninety day visa for digital nomads. Now, I have a 120 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: problem with this and that digital nomads are already digitally 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: nomading already. David, So, is this actually going to be 122 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: increased numbers that are coming to New Zealand if they're 123 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: already doing it. 124 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: I suspect it will be more legalizing what's happening, because 125 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: in theory, if you're here on a tourist visa and 126 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: you're spending twenty hours a week in your earbnb doing 127 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: work back home, etc. You know, you're working around in 128 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: New Zealand. So they're probably already doing it, and this 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: just means you can now do it without feeling. 130 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: Guilty now, of course. But my question, the whole big 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: thing here is we need short term measures that increase 132 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: economic growth. And I'm getting a feeling, just a suspicion 133 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: that nobody knows how this will affect you growth because 134 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: no one knows the numbers, because nobody knows how many 135 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: people are working this way already already. 136 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: I think that the only thing that we'll do in 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 4: terms of economic growth is attract the kind of tourists 139 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: that will come here now for you know, longer, so 140 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 4: they can get potentially a nine month visa doing this stuff, 141 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: or you know, extend their existing visitor visa, so will 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: attract a different kind of tourists who, as you say, 143 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 4: they that they're already doing this anyway. I mean I 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: travel to different countries for work, and I do it 145 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: all the time, so they're already doing it. I thought 146 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: it was interesting that the OECD has identified a sort 147 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: of long term problem with this is that if we 148 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: increase the number of digital nomads all over the world 149 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: who are basically not paying tax in the country that 150 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: they're in, you could actually risk, you know, a decline 151 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: in global revenues from income tax. 152 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: But very good, Josey beginning, David Farah, you've been brilliant. 153 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for more from Hither to Plassy Allen Drive. 154 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Listen live to news Talks at b from four pm weekdays, 155 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.