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Speaker 1: So the Ministry of Regulations completed its first task, actually

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Speaker 1: very fast. It's done its report into the early childhood

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Speaker 1: sector and it's recommended cutting three quarters of a list

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Speaker 1: of ninety eight different licensing rules. Regulation Minister David Semo's

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Speaker 1: with us now morning, David good one. So does this

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Speaker 1: mean they're not going to have to maintain the old

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Speaker 1: eighteen degrees and doors all day long?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing that we want

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Speaker 2: to either remove the regulation or clarify, because right across

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Speaker 2: the sector you feel a lot of anger from people

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Speaker 2: who say all I wanted to do was keep kids safe,

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Speaker 2: obviously and help them discover their potential. All I actually

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Speaker 2: do is to maintain a plethora of documents fear getting

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Speaker 2: inspected and answered to multiple regulators, from Hero to the

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Speaker 2: Ministry of Educations at Fire and Emergency in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: often with each regulator having conflicting and positions on the

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Speaker 2: same basic questions. So I'm really soaked with the report

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Speaker 2: that the Ministry for Regulations produced. As you say, I

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Speaker 2: think they've done it pretty quickly. They've only been in

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Speaker 2: existence for nine months, They've not this up. You had

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Speaker 2: submissions from twenty three hundred different people in the sector

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Speaker 2: and in the new year we're basically going to roll

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Speaker 2: up these changes.

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Speaker 1: So what is actually going to happen with the door handles,

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Speaker 1: because this is one of these examples where you've got

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Speaker 1: conflicting things. Right, the building Code says the door handles

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Speaker 1: have to be at a certain height, but the EC

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Speaker 1: needs editor different heights. So where do you end up.

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Speaker 2: Well, where we'll end up is that we'll have one

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Speaker 2: regulator and one rule, so that if you're running an

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Speaker 2: EC you know what the rule is and you can

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Speaker 2: get on with it. Exactly which ones will change to

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Speaker 2: align them. There's a bit of work to do, and

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Speaker 2: you to go backwards and boards of the different ministries

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Speaker 2: and so you've got a movie yours. So exactly how

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Speaker 2: that plays out is for next year. But the clear

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Speaker 2: issue is we've identified this as a problem by asking

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Speaker 2: people and it's pretty obvious what needs to happen. You

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Speaker 2: need one regulator on one question, and in some cases

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Speaker 2: it's something that maybe doesn't need to be regulated at all.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard from the Easy Ease on this they

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Speaker 1: stoked about this or what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a bit of commentary from some of

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Speaker 2: the people who are commentators in the sector. I see

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Speaker 2: Kelly Seberg there, who was a pretty knowledgeable and vocal

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Speaker 2: operator of several ecs and someone that's been involved in

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Speaker 2: the review, and she, as far as I can see us, saying, yes,

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Speaker 2: this is exactly what we need.

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Speaker 1: David, listen, what are you thinking about the high food?

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Speaker 1: Why aren't you guys cutting harder to get back to surplus?

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Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 2: at where government is as a percentage of GDP under

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Speaker 2: Robertson in eighteen twenty nineteen, they were spending about twenty

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Speaker 2: eight dollars out of every hundred in the economy. During

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Speaker 2: COVID they went nuts, went up to about thirty five

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Speaker 2: dollars out of an extra seven bucked out of every

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Speaker 2: hundred ye earn goes to government. Now it's sitting around

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Speaker 2: thirty three and we're going to get it in a

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Speaker 2: couple of years down to thirty one. Now you say, well,

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Speaker 2: how can you be spending three percent more of duty

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Speaker 2: to than Robertson was before COVID. The answer to that

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Speaker 2: is that every year there's about thirty thousand more people

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Speaker 2: on super healthier costs rise at a similar rate. That's

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Speaker 2: a factor of having a rising aging population compared with

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Speaker 2: a number of taxpayers. And also because dear old Brandt

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Speaker 2: borrowed about one hundred billion dollars when interest rates were low,

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Speaker 2: and of course now the higher we're paying almost ten

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Speaker 2: billion a year.

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Speaker 1: But are you comfortable, I mean fair enough you hit

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Speaker 1: it in the right direction. Are you comfortable with the

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Speaker 1: slow pace at which you're doing or do you think

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Speaker 1: should be doing it faster?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, there's no surprise from act when

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Speaker 2: we have these budget meetings, generally the ones saying that

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we need to go harder and faster.

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Speaker 2: But you know, obviously we're in a coalition and other people,

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Speaker 2: as you'll hear Nicole Assay and you heard Chris lux

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Speaker 2: And say yesterday, we don't want to go to what

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Speaker 2: they would call austerity. So obviously there's a natural tension

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Speaker 2: there and no surprise that it's been the association of

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Speaker 2: consumers and taxpayers and a tech ronym would like to

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Speaker 2: do that. But I also think that where we are

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Speaker 2: in this government is an awful lot better than where

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Speaker 2: we would be with the alternatives. So look, I mean

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Speaker 2: there's no surprise I'd probably like to go faster, but

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy with we the governments it ended up

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Speaker 2: because I know what the alternative is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, David, thanks very much, really appreciate this. David semore

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