1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Along with the mass reset for the National Party. Their 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: AGM featured to John Key special guest. His call was 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: for the temperature to drop a little bit around race relation. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Karen Chaw's treatment last week from the Marry Party was 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: a bridge too far for many, of course. So John 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Key is with us. Very good morning morning, Mike. So 7 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: you call over the weekend for the political temperature to 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: come down a bit, how much do you reckon this 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: political debate is about specific aspects of race relations in 10 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: this country versus a general angst because the country's on 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: it's needs economically. 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: A little bit of both. I mean, you know, notwith 13 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: seeing that the mood at the conference was really positive 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: because we've won a general election, got new prime minister 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. Everyone recognizes how big 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: the economic turnaround job is. I mean it is literally massive. 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: And I think if you walk around most parts of 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: New Zealand, particularly Auckland, you well just feel how dire 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: the economy is at the moment costs a lot of sectors. 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: So I think this general angst and I think with 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: race relations, you know, there's aways people who think like 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: we are either leaning in of it too much or 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: leaning out of it too much, sort of get all that. 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: My basic point was really lock we just have to 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: be a little bit careful of those things. In my 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: advice on all sides, not particularly one side, is take 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: the temperature down or with it, because you know, when 28 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: you have your budget day and it's dominated by a 29 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: race protest, or when you have your opening of Parliament, 30 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: that's the case. That's one side, But then you're at 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: the ear leaders walking out of meetings with the Prime 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: Minister on the other. And then I think things like 33 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: the Treaty Principal's Bill that's really you know, wound people up. 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: I actually don't support that legislation for some pretty good reasons, 35 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: I think. So there's just a lot of stuff, but 36 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: I just think just be careful because you know, for 37 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: the most part, we've actually done race relations pretty well 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: in this country. 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: If you lead from top down, how much then of 40 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: your comments is based on policy like Seymour's bill, the 41 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: attitude to the Whiteangi Tribunal, the overturning of court state, 42 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: et cetera. All of that. How much of it's policy 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: driven versus just general debate? 44 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: Oh, a bit of both. I think. Look the things 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: like the Treaty Principles bill does wind up a lot 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: of people. And I actually think philosophically, and I come 47 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: from a place where I really like David Seymour. I 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: think it's bad Pulsey. I'll tell you why. I think 49 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: it's a bad act. If you write down the principles right, 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: they might be fitting proper today. I might even agree 51 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: with them. Right, let's put that to one side. If 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: you think they're going to stay like that, you're a dreamer. 53 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: They're going to change, and they may change in the 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: direction you really don't like when the new government comes along. 55 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: And as you see in places like the United States, 56 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: where you know they wrote down the constitution that said 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: the right to bear arms worked really well. By the way, 58 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: when you know you had a musket and the grizzly 59 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: beer walking into into kebinet two in the morning doesn't 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: work well when a person feels they can legitimately take 61 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: an AK forty seven down to Walmart of Costco. So 62 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: codifying these things isn't that smart. So I think that's 63 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: certainly wound a lot of people up. And rightfully, I 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: think you know, proms reslectance, So we're not going to 65 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 2: support that beyond the second reading, but there just is 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: quite a high temperature all these things at the moment. 67 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: My only point is that for the most part, race 68 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: relations have been pretty good in New zund Sometimes, you know, 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: the government of the days push too hard. Maybe sometimes 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: there haven't done quite enough, but just making sure we 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: sort of let this thing get out of control is 72 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: important because for the most part, you know, we kind 73 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 2: of like, you know that the society we live and 74 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: we get on with our mates. You know, it's not 75 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: as dire as what some people were saying. But I 76 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: just feel like the temperature is too high. 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Chris Hoipkins, while I've got you, by the way, blames 78 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Tomorrow Schools that the whole Maths turn around that was 79 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: announced yesterday as well. He blames essentially you because it 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: was Tomorrow's schools. Tomorrow Schools failed and that's why we're 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: failing the maths. You say, what, Yeah, okay, Well, are 82 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: a school was in the nineties before I got the Parla. 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: It's a quite a long way back. And look, if 84 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: that was the case and it was so obvious, they 85 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: would have fixed it and they didn't. Look, reality, is 86 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: I reckon part of what they'll be driving. This is 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: the enormous truancy rates that happened under the previous labor government. 88 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: But also Labor have never liked what we wanted to do, 89 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: which was National Senates, which was measure, monitor and report 90 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: on children. They want to measure, monitor and report the environment. 91 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: They just never want to know whether you know your 92 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: seven year old could actually do mess at the what 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: we would deem to be the average standard for a 94 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: seven year old. And therefore if you don't know, you 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: can't fix it. So again a massive job because if 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: you can't, if kids can't leave school now and they 97 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: can't do mess at a half decent level, and a 98 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: huge number of the teachers who are teaching them don't 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: have the proper test qualification, I can't do basically, I 100 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: think it's school certain mess. Then there's a real problem, 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: isn't there? And you know I would worry enormously about 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: the future workforce if that's the case. 103 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate your times to John Key with 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: us this morning. 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