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Speaker 1: There is a realistic possibility of a terrorist attack in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and the most likely way that it could

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Speaker 1: happen is a lone actor. That's according to the latest

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Speaker 1: security assessment by our Intelligence Services. Andrew Hampton is the

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Speaker 1: Director General at the SIS Hey Andrew Hi Heather, is

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Speaker 1: the possibility of a terrorist attack like this more or

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Speaker 1: less likely than it was last year.

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Speaker 2: It is consistent with last year's assessment, which is there

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Speaker 2: is a realistic possibility of a terrorist event. But the

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Speaker 2: threat environment continues to evolve and one of the things

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Speaker 2: that has changed over the last year is the increased

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Speaker 2: prominence of what we call people with mixed unclear ones

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Speaker 2: stable wider ideologies or motivations. So these are people who

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Speaker 2: often young, radicalized online, fixated with violence. They may not

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Speaker 2: have strong affiliations to a particular ideology, but they're looking

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Speaker 2: for some thing to justify undertaking a.

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Speaker 1: Violent act right And these kinds of people are very

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Speaker 1: hard to stop, aren't they, because they act by themselves.

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Speaker 2: Well, fortunately, you know, we're talking about only a very

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Speaker 2: small number of individuals who we know about, who we're

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Speaker 2: concerned about, and we're keeping an eye on them. But yes,

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Speaker 2: you're You're right. The risk with a self radicalized individual,

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Speaker 2: they're likely to be acting alone. There won't necessarily be

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Speaker 2: much intelligence warning, and they'll use capabilities that are readily

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Speaker 2: at hand, such as knives or vehicles. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why we've put this threat assessment out, so

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Speaker 2: that the public know what the signs of someone who

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Speaker 2: may be on that mobilization pathway looks like, and so

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Speaker 2: they can spot those signs and raise their handful place.

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Speaker 2: There's a range of range of things to look at,

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Speaker 2: and we released a couple of years ago a report

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Speaker 2: specifically on that. But part of it is people's online behavior.

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Speaker 2: Part of it is individuals maybe looking at their own security,

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Speaker 2: you know, how they obscure what they're doing. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: may be radical changes in behavior from people. It may

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Speaker 2: be about how they espouse particular ideologies. So there are

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Speaker 2: a range of things to look for. The key message

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Speaker 2: we want to get across is if you know within

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Speaker 2: your community, even within your family, you're concerned about someone

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Speaker 2: because they may be engaging with extremist material, They may

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Speaker 2: be talking about wanting to undertake some sort of act,

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Speaker 2: They may be seeking to associate with people online of

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Speaker 2: concern that you know, you do, you do raise that

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Speaker 2: with us or with the police, you know, and in

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Speaker 2: many cases, in most cases, you know, people who exhibit

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Speaker 2: online behaviors don't end up taking undertaking a real world act,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes they do.

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Speaker 1: On the spying, the report says that you guys busted

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Speaker 1: a unit gathering info for a foreign intelligence service, and

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Speaker 1: then you send a message to them to stop. Did

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Speaker 1: they stop?

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Speaker 2: They definitely took notice. What what we try and do

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Speaker 2: is make very clear to those countries that are undertaking

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Speaker 2: that type of activity that we know what they're up to,

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Speaker 2: that we are monitoring them, and that it is said

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Speaker 2: it may not be a legal activity, but it is

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Speaker 2: activity that's inconsistent with our values and our national interest

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Speaker 2: and for them to cease doing it. And as you

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Speaker 2: would expect, they don't like that very much. Sometimes though,

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Speaker 2: it just leads to them trying to you know, obscure

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Speaker 2: their their activities more. But in that particular our case,

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Speaker 2: yesday took notice.

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Speaker 1: Andrew. Thank you, I really appreciate you having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us. Andrew Hopton, Director General of the SIS. For

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