1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: The issues is the interviews and the insight. Andrew dickens 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: on early edition with one roof make your property search 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: simple news talks. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: It'd be hey, good onrding to you. Thank you for 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickinson. In the next sixty minutes, 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: how soon can you go from being a politician to 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: a lobbyist? A new campaign has launched to stop the 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: police joining the gravy train as soon as they leave office, 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: and we'll have that story for you in five Police 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: still need to be involved in committing mental health patients 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: and they're sick of it. So what can we do 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: to lessen the load lanes per debt? We'll join you 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: in ten minutes time and event spending it's to be 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: increased to two percent of GDP. Why hasn't this happened earlier? 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: I'll talk about this and we'll talk about this story 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: just before six. We'll have correspondence from right around New 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: zeal And, we'll have Donal Demio from Australia and we'll 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: have news as it breaks and you can have your 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: say by sending me a text. The number is ninety 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: two to ninety two or small charge applies seven after five. 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: The agenda. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: Well, it's Tuesday, the eighth to April. US stock markets 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: plunged again on opening after another day of worldwide market 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: turmoil spart by Donald Trump's tariffs. We lost billions on 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: our market. In London, the Financial Time Stock Exchange one 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: hundred index dropped to its lowest level in a year. 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: European share prices plunged, and Asian stocks have seen their 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: worst drop in eight decade. But Donald Trump has called 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: for patients, say that the tariffs will bring in billions 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: of dollars a week. 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: I don't want anything to go down, but sometimes you 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: have to take the medicine to fix up them. And 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: we have such a a horrible We have been treated 34 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: so badly by other countries because we had stupid leadership 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: that allowed this to happen. 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: And the question is who's paying the billions in extra revenue. 37 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: I'll have that story in a minute. Meanwhile, the presidents 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: also threatened China with further tariffs. He says if they 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: don't withdraw the thirty four percent retaliatory tariffs on the 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: US back with the fifty percent one. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 4: Donald Trump clearly believes that China is the boogeyman and 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 4: he's taking very strong and aggressive actions, and I may 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: say the nuclear option when it comes to trade relations 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: between the United States and China. 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 5: So China is. 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: Very much occupied, a very large portion of his attention, 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: and it is a trade partner with which the United 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: States and the Trump administration has its greatest concerns. 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: Now and two across the ditch in Australia's opposition leader 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has backtracked on an election promise to end 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: work from home options for public servants after backlash. Peter Dutton, 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: who'd been nicknamed Dogi, Dutton, said his Liberal National Coalition 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: had made a mistake and he apologized. 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 6: We've apologized for it. We support flexible workplace arrangements and 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 6: our plan, which was only targeted for the public service 56 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 6: in camera life, has been able to crowd into a 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 6: scare campaign, which is not what it was intended. And 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 6: as we've said before, we will make sure that we 59 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 6: can help families and Betsy Jackie what our positive plan 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 6: of getting our country back on tracks met. 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: So that backtrack leaves a twenty four billion dollar hole 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: in their proposed budget, so will they be able to 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: fund health and other spending promises. We'll look at this 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: with Donald to Mayo later and the leaders Peter Dutton 65 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanesi will go head to head tonight in 66 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: the first election debate. And finally, King Charles and Queen 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: Camilla have arrived in Rome and they're beginning the estate 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: visit to Italy. The visit will see a mix of 69 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: soft power diplomacy greeting the crowds and also a bit 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: of romance because the trip coincides with the couple's twentieth 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: wedding anniversary. 72 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 7: It's interesting thinking about the King's reign actually that since 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 7: he took to the throne he has now done state 74 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 7: visits to France, to Germany and to Italy, all of 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 7: them reinforcing relationships with these major powers in Europe. 76 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: It's ten out five Andrew Dickens foll Afili edition with 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: one roof make Your Property Search Simple Youth Dog Zibby. 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: So property developers are excited because there's going to be 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: a big sell off of social housing just been announced. 80 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: Kayinger Aura have said it plans to sell nine hundred 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: state homes from July this year until June next year, 82 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: early an estimate of four hundred to five hundred million dollars. 83 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: Of those, about three hundred are in Auckland. It's been 84 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: described as a gold mine for developers as it includes 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: property in some established suburbs. And I know this because 86 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: I grew up in a social housing neighborhood in Leefield. Remuerra. Yes, Remuerra, 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: places like Harpua Road and Liga Street all full of 88 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: state houses. They were pockets of what of government housing 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: because in the day, those governments believed in what's called 90 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: pepper potting, mixing the wealthy and the poor and so 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: avoiding ghettos and promoting social unity. So we had some 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: social houses amongst the mansions. Now they're selling the social 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: houses and that is a good thing. If you look 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: at the properties, there are three Betty basic rectangles on 95 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: masses of land. The land is the value and because 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: of its position, the land is through the roof. Now 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: the modern view sees, of course, we could build seven 98 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: town houses on that land that currently hosts just one dwelling. 99 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: So there will be some who bemoan the loss of 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: one social house and the profit of a developer. But 101 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: their trick about all of this is the capital gain. 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: The government realizes that money needs to be ring fenced 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: so it pays for more social housing to replace the 104 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: one house they're selling. If it all disappears into the 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: consolidated funds, then we've all been ripped off. If the 106 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: government plays this with a straight bat, this will not 107 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: only be a windfall for developers, but also a windfall 108 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: for those who need social housing. Andrew dickens it's twelve 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: after five, so the tariff wars continue. Trump's warning of 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: extra tariffs on China this morning if they retaliate. Meanwhile, 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: the American public is running around trying to learn economics 112 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: one oh one, so much so that sixty minutes on 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: the telly this week is running at tariff prim Hey, listen, 114 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: tariff is a tax or a foreign country. 115 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 8: That's the way it is, whether you like it, and 116 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 8: that a lot of people like to say, oh, it's 117 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 8: a tax or US. 118 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's a tax on a foreign country. 119 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: It's a tax on a country that's ripping us off 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: and stealing our jobs. 121 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 9: But most any importer or economist will tell you the 122 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 9: President is mistaken. Tariffs are not a tax on a 123 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 9: foreign country. The tax is paid by the importer. In 124 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 9: the United States, for example, Walmart imports goods from China, 125 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 9: and when those goods cross into the United States, Walmart 126 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 9: pays the tariff. If Walmart decides to pass the cost 127 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 9: to consumers, then you paid the tariff, not China. 128 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. The tariffs are like a sales 129 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: tax on American consumers. That means tariffs are inflacing me here. 130 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: We would call that non tradable inflation. It's a bit 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: like rates and power bills. It's inflation that you can't 132 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: control it. It can't trade, it can't go down in America. 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: It's going up. And when inflation breaks out in America, 134 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: it breaks out around the globe, which interests US and 135 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: me today because our Reserve Bank is reviewing their settings 136 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: on Wednesday about our interest rates and if there are 137 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: vestiges of inflation hanging around the globe, the talk is 138 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: that the big interest rates cuts are going to be 139 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: off the table. So you see, this whole thing brings 140 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: us all together. It is five fourteen. So we've heard 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: stories about guys who lose an election and they go 142 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: into the public sphere and look at that all of 143 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: a sudden, they become a lobbyist because they've been a 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: minister for the Crown. They've learned all sorts of things, 145 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: They've got all sorts of contexts, you know, their phoneus 146 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: full of numbers and they go right, I can actually 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: monetize this and they end out lobbying. Now, how quickly 148 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: should they be allowed to do that? There's a new 149 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: group who are rathering against all of this, and I'll 150 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: talk about this and what they want in just a 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: few mothers time. It's News Talks at. 152 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: B the first word on the News of the Day, 153 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Early edition with Andrew Dickens and One Room, Make Your 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Property Search Simple, New Talk Nibby. 155 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: It's sixteen alf to five. So a group calling themselves 156 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Level the playing field rallying against New Zealand's lobbying regulations 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: and they're calling for more transparency. Former Prime Minister Helen 158 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: Clark and former Attorney General Chris Finlson where some of 159 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: the speakers at the campaign launch last night. They're calling 160 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: for stronger lobbying regulations, a cooling off period to prevent 161 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: former ministers from immediately becoming lobbyists, and a tightening of 162 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: political donation rules. So Health Coalition arterio's co chairperson Boyd 163 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: Swimburn and joins me now goodbody to your board. 164 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 10: Andrew. 165 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: So you held the launch party last night. What were 166 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: the headlines that came out of it. 167 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 10: Well, those sort of things that you said, We recognize 168 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 10: the problem that we have with exious and influence on 169 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 10: public policy is at the moment two dominated or has 170 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 10: been for some years by vested interest by commercial interests, 171 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 10: and those groups that are pushing for the common goods 172 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 10: for social outcomes, health outcomes, environmental outcomes really don't get 173 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 10: to say. So this is the sort of the playing 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 10: field that needs to be leveled. Nothing wrong with lobbying 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 10: so long as it's in balance and we get a 176 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 10: public policy for public good, not for private good. So 177 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 10: there's a fair consensus building around the need for lobbying laws. 178 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 10: You know, New Zealand has no lobbying regulations, makes us 179 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 10: an outlier in OECD countries, and so we need lobbying regulations. 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 10: We need a whole bunch of things to try to 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 10: strengthen democracy. 182 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: The fact that you had a former labor politician having Clerk, 183 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: and a former national politician Chris Finnison there speaking on 184 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: the issue, does this mean this issue has bipartisan support. 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 10: Well, it has to have bipartisan supporter Scott. It's an 186 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 10: issue which cuts across the political spectrum. We also had 187 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 10: Antolli there, who's the formal National Minister as well. We're 188 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 10: not going to get progress on this unless both main 189 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 10: parties at least are on board and see this slide 190 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 10: that were having and trust in government. The Transparency International 191 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 10: figures show that New New Zealand's corruption index we used 192 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 10: to be top of the world and now we're sliding 193 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 10: down each year. We need to rebuild that and get 194 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 10: trust back in government. 195 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: And you and your coalition Health Coalition or you actually 196 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: got into the views. You called on New Zealand first 197 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: to come clean due to the Associate Minister of Health 198 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Casey Costello's links to tobacco giants. So this is your motivation. 199 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: Would this sort of regulation stop that? 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 10: Well, it's not going to be one our magic bullet. 201 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 10: There's a whole bunch of things we need to do 202 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 10: to retrieve our our democracy and make it a fair 203 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 10: playing field. But yes, in health where we have tobacco, alcohol, 204 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 10: whole and unhealthy food. These things cause a third of 205 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 10: the health damage in this country and yet we have 206 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 10: not been able to get policies through successive governments because 207 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 10: of the pressure of lobbying and so we really need 208 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 10: that to improve our health. 209 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 2: So can I just ask, very briefly, what's the coalition 210 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: government saying? Are they on board? 211 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 10: Well, now that we've had the launch, we're going to 212 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 10: be taking this around to the governments and to the 213 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 10: opposition parties as well, because as you said, this needs 214 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 10: to be across parties. The Attorney General, Paul Goldsmith has 215 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 10: had some lobbying regulations and reports on it on his 216 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 10: desk for some time, so we want to be able 217 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 10: to put this stronger case to him. He's had this 218 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 10: report about a voluntary code for lobbyists, but that's not 219 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 10: nearly strong enough. I need a whole raft of things. 220 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: Boyd swinburn I thank you that as Professor Boyd Swinburne, 221 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: who is the Royal Health Coalition co chairperson, I need 222 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: to I don't know, but there we are. It is 223 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: five point twenty. The police have to be involved when 224 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: you're committing a mental health patient. The police find this 225 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: a huge train on resources. Back in November they announce 226 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: some policies to withdraw. How is that going and how 227 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: can we move forward with it? Lance Bidett, the famous 228 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: negotiator from the Police's Next. 229 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens 230 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: and One Room, Make Your Property Search Simple news talks. 231 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: It'd be It is five twenty three now. The Mental 232 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: Health Foundations launched a petition calling for police to stop 233 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: its plan to scale back attendance at mental health call outs. 234 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: A police, of course, say they're spending too much time 235 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: escorting voluntary patients between hospitals and emergency departments and they 236 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: want to fight crime. Former police officer and mental health 237 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: advocate Lance Burdett has worken up early for us. Good 238 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 2: morning to your Lance, Good morning here. So how much 239 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: time on an eight hour shift for an average cop 240 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: has spent on mental health callouts, Well, it can. 241 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 11: Be quite a bit of time. And it's not just 242 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 11: me a matter of transporting them. The way it was 243 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 11: done was there was also a sergeant had to be 244 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 11: following that patrol, so it took quite a bit of time. Now, 245 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 11: by the very term mental health crisis, which is what 246 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 11: these people are going through is mental health, so they 247 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 11: have a health issue. They're not criminals. 248 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 5: Now. 249 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 11: In the early days when I joined the police, the 250 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 11: only way to get them help and support was to 251 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 11: risk them and they put them in a police cell. 252 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 11: Now and somebody who's going through a mental health crisis, 253 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 11: the last thing they needed to be put into a 254 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 11: police cell. Okay, not a great place for them. 255 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: Police launch phase one of a reduction program on November 256 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 2: the fourth of Mental Health Foundation. I'm not happy about it. 257 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask the question are police already scaling 258 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: back these operations because I heard the Minister Matt Doucy 259 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: on Ryan Bridges show last night and he seemed a 260 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: little unsure of that. 261 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 11: As far as I know, Well, where ever possible, they 262 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 11: will be scaling back. And it's what they've done anyway. 263 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 11: They've always rereharshed it, so they will only go to 264 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 11: people who are a real genuine crisis where they might 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 11: have been causing violence. But again, you know, I do 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 11: know of one particular occasion where a taser had to 267 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 11: be used on somebody. Now, I mean, that's just in humane, 268 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 11: isn't it That you can't negotiate with these people. You 269 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 11: can't because they're going through a crisis state, and oftentimes 270 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 11: when you turn up in your police uniform, that just 271 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 11: makes it worse. 272 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: So mental health crisis teams are already stretched for resources 273 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: and now the police are wanting to pull back. If 274 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: not police, then who ambulance service? 275 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 11: That's their role is transporting patients? Isn't it mental health? 276 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 11: The health patients? So what needs to have at mention 277 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 11: of that? 278 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: So, what needs to happen to enable the ambulance crews 279 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: or the ambulance services to have enough resources to cope 280 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: with the extra workload. 281 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 11: Well, they do have transport services already. 282 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 10: Now. 283 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 11: The reason why I say this, and I hate to 284 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 11: say it, because I know that they're of the pump, 285 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 11: probably worse than the police are to be frank and 286 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 11: it's not a fully funded service. That the ambulance service 287 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 11: need to be fully funded by government to do this work. 288 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: Lance, I thank you for your work, Lance, author, former 289 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: police officer, a mental health advocate, and it is our 290 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: five twenty six This News Talks at B. 291 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSTB. 292 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: News Talks ab So the news that New Zealand is 293 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: going to spend twelve billion dollars on defenses not news 294 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: to welcome, and yet it is also welcome news, and 295 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: this is because it highlights the state of the planet 296 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: it's an unsetled world, and in an unsettled world, defense 297 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: is essential and the equation for a credible defense is 298 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: spending two percent of GDP. Now, within eight years we'll 299 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: get to that target. It's a doubling of the budget. 300 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: And the question is why are we only just doing 301 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: this now. If we've been spending close to that for 302 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: the past thirty years, we wouldn't be facing so dramatic 303 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: a spend today. But we didn't. We were fat and 304 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: complacent in a mistaken belief that we were safe and 305 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: sound and if something went wrong, our friends would come 306 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: and save us. Now we have China knocking on our 307 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: door and sailing in our seas. For as long as 308 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: I've been in the news business, which is over thirty 309 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: years now, Australia and the States have warned that our 310 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: coke tailing did not cut it, and we had to 311 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: do our bit, maybe not have fighter jets, but at 312 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: least something. So fair play to Judith Collins. She's finally 313 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: accepting the responsibility that we've always needed to take. But 314 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: this comes at a difficult time. Firstly, of course, the 315 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: world has become more dangerous, so time is of the 316 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: essence and Secondly, we're broke, and it comes at a 317 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: time when barely reported mass redundancies are actually happening in 318 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: defense to meet government spending targets. So with this move 319 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: they have announced. With this move, basically they are firing 320 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: at the moment on one hand and they're going to 321 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: employ with another. Now on it, you can argue that 322 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: both the firing and the spending are both necessary, and 323 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: they're necessary because we've sat in our hands for so long, 324 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: and they're necessary because we have spent irresponsibly. Andrew Dickens, 325 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: it's five point twenty nine. Peter Dutton's made a very 326 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: embarrassing you turn in the election campaign. He's not going 327 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: to fire public servants because the public servants rebelled, and 328 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 2: now he's got a twenty four billion dollar hole at 329 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: his budget. Donald Tomao is joining us. We're going right 330 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: around the country as well, and we'll talk defense before 331 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: six here on Early Edition with Andrew Dickinson for Brian 332 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: Bridge on News Talk ZBB. 333 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 12: Sometimes are just kidding. 334 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: You on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition 335 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and One Roof To make your Property 336 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: search Simple Youth Talk zib B. 337 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 5: Good Wing to write it to Tuesday. 338 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens and for Ryan Bridge, and this is 339 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: a song called as He's on watch Out. It's Ed Sharon. 340 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: Ed Shearon is back. Over the weekend he released his 341 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: first single from his new album. The new album is 342 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: called Play, and this is it as He's as spelled 343 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: a z isz am from There's Ed a zz Am. 344 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: What the hell is this about? Apparently it's a fasty 345 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: phrase that translates to my dear fastly, of course, the 346 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: official language of Iran. I have to wonder whether Ed 347 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: Shearan is watching the world headlines right now and wondering 348 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: whether this was a good marketing move. But I mean 349 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: he's Ed Shearan. So the album is going to be 350 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: called Play. It'll be the first record in a series 351 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 2: that will include the album's pause, rewind, fast forward and stop. 352 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: He's been looking at a tape recorded bad too much. 353 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: He's so excited for all the other surprises he has 354 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: for us. Maybe that's a tour now. In personal news, 355 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: I blew my hand up yesterday. I turned on the 356 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: barbecue to make some lunch, and I didn't realize that 357 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: the last user of the barbecue, which would be me, 358 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: hadn't quite turned the gas off last time he used it, 359 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: so I went wandering out there. There was a vestige 360 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: of gas under the hood. I didn't realize that hit 361 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: the igniter. When I hit the igniter, the lid blew 362 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: off and a spurt of super hot gas blasted my 363 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: left hand. It was quite a bang, I tell you, 364 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: she scared them but Jesus out of me. But the 365 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: good thing was it was over in an instant because 366 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: the hood snaps shut again. But it has left me 367 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: with a somewhat burnt and leathery left hand. No blistering, 368 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: just sort of you know, it's sore, and it's the 369 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: skin's gone all thick. You know how when you get 370 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: a burnt skin goes thick. I blew my hand up 371 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: with a barbecue. So just a little public service announcement, 372 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: always lift the lids when lighting the barbecue, because you 373 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: don't know what fool forgot to completely turn the gas off. 374 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: Twenty one to six, it's time to go right around 375 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: the country. We go to Dunedin first. Callum Proctor, Good 376 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: morning to you morning, Andrew. Tell me the latest on 377 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: the fight to prevent South Dunedin from flooding. 378 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 13: Well, we're at the stage where it's time for the 379 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 13: residents to have a say on all of the different 380 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 13: options that were presented in those two major reports released 381 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 13: last month analyzing the risks facing South dened in the 382 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 13: low lying area. The Danedan City and regional councils here 383 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 13: have come up with seven options to protect the community, 384 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 13: costing up to seven billion dollars. They include keeping the 385 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 13: status quo right through to letting the water in and 386 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 13: a large scale retreat. The program manages Jonathan Rowe. He's 387 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 13: encouraging all residents to attend these workshops and contribute to 388 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 13: the discussions here and the future of South Dnedan. The 389 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 13: first of those public workshops is in South Dunedin today. 390 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: How's the weather tell me? It's not raining, it's. 391 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 13: Raining and it's heavy and we've got a strong and 392 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 13: strong win heavy rainwatch here. Look the rains to ease 393 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 13: by midday. We've got Gail for Soel West discussing one 394 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 13: hundred k's easing late afternoon the heights today thirteenth. 395 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: All right to christ should we go in clear sure? 396 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: With good morning? Good morning? You've got a big fire 397 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: in the east. 398 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 14: Do we ever a big fire at This commercial premises 399 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 14: on Mace's Road in Bromley. It broke out at about 400 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 14: one yesterday afternoon. No one in christ Church would have 401 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 14: missed the huge black plume of smoke that came from that. 402 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 14: Fire crews have been there all night. They're working on 403 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 14: what's still considered a deep seated fire. They certainly have 404 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 14: not risked any firefighters being in the building overnight due 405 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 14: to the darkness, so really, I'm told they've been standing 406 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 14: there spraying water on the building, waiting until first light 407 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 14: when they can assess things. I've been on the phone 408 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 14: with Fire and Emergency shift manager Simon Leiford. He says 409 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 14: a member of the public was taken to hospital overnight 410 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 14: from the scene after turning up and then suffering respiratory 411 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 14: issues due to the smoke. The good news is the 412 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 14: fire is still contained to the one very large building. 413 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 14: Mind you, a fire investigator will look into the cause 414 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 14: of it once it's safe enough to do so. This 415 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 14: place happened after some smoke from controlled burnoffs plagued much 416 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 14: of the city yesterday morning. It was sort of hovering 417 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 14: very low. Simon tells me that's possible again this morning 418 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 14: due to the cooler morning conditions, meaning that smoke hovers 419 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 14: right down close to us. 420 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: Now, how's your weather, Well, we're under. 421 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 14: The same mornings actually showers from late this morning. Strong 422 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 14: wind watch in place from nine severe gaals gusting one 423 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 14: hundred and twenty kilometers an hour at a high sixteen. 424 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: And I thank you when we go to Wellington now 425 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: with Max Tolka, wanting to you Max, good morning. So 426 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: the crypto outbreak continues to spread, and we're not talking 427 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: the currency, we're talking the milk. 428 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. 429 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 15: This one has a lot of parents on edge. There 430 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 15: are now sixty cases of this highly contagious parasitic bug 431 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 15: making its way well, firstly in the Hut Valley, now 432 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 15: across the wider region in general, there have been cases 433 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 15: in polyidua carpety wided appa cryptosporidiosis. It's been linked to 434 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 15: a number of swimming pools. A few have had to 435 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 15: completely drain their water and refill. Sixty cases farm more 436 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 15: than usual for this time of the year. The local 437 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 15: medical Officer of Health reckons there are even more in 438 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 15: the community that haven't been picked up yet. Perhaps there 439 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 15: are some who just think they've got food poisoning or something. 440 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 15: Childcare centers are on high alert as it can spread 441 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 15: quite easily among younger children. 442 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: And how's Wellington's weather today? 443 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 15: Yeah, not great either, the rain strengthening as the morning 444 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 15: goes on. Very strong winds this morning as well high 445 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 15: of eighteenth Central and never writ a. 446 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: Mane who joins me from Walkanhella, Neva. 447 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 16: Greetings. 448 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: What's the latest and Destiny Church versus the Tiata tu 449 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: Public Library. 450 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 16: Well, I can tell you that Brian Tamaki won't be 451 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 16: charged now this is in relation to the violence that 452 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 16: at a West aalok And library back in February, due 453 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 16: to a lack of evidence. Now we'll remember that the 454 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 16: violence erupted at this is at the Tiata two Peninsula 455 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 16: library after members of the church swarmed in protest of 456 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 16: a family pride event. Now, non profit organization countering Hate 457 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 16: Speech altia at Or alleged that Tarmiki had incited the 458 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 16: disorder via social media. But police, I've had a look 459 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 16: at it. The I've now concluded these insufficient evidence to 460 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 16: charge them following a thorough investigation. But we do remember 461 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 16: too that there were multiple assault charges and they've been 462 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 16: laid against the other people that were allegedly involved. 463 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: House orchards. 464 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 16: Weather today, well, not as bad as the others. I 465 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 16: can tell you that isolated chills developing. We've got a 466 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 16: period of rain around midday followed by fine spells in 467 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 16: our highs twenty two. 468 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: I thank you need it now seventeen to six more 469 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: reaction to the increase in defense spending, and Steve's agitated 470 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: about Helen Clarke. He wants me to ask Helen Clarke 471 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: why spending was cut under her regime. Her naivety was unbelievable. 472 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: He says that Helen perpetuated the Peacenik belief that the 473 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: world had somehow changed and large wars were a thing 474 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: of the past. Yet no one is calling her out 475 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: on it, and she continues to pursue to plicate the 476 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: larger powers strategy and hope for the best. Yes, Steve, Yeah, 477 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: here's the thing about Helen Clark and defense spending. Remember 478 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: the laves, the light armored vehicles. We bought a truckload 479 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: of laves which were outdated and somewhat unnecessary because I 480 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: don't know if you realize we're a maritime country and 481 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: you can't go driving these labs all over the sea. 482 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: And remember the criticism about this. You can get it 483 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: terribly wrong when you're buying kit when you're increasing defense spending, 484 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: and that's a warning going forward. We'll talk more on 485 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: this before sex with Hayden Ricketts and Hayden as a 486 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: retired lieutenant colonel. But next Donald to Maayo from Australia. 487 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: Here on Newstalk set. 488 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: B International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of 489 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 490 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 5: Well to Australia and es. 491 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: Good morning to Donna Tomayo at thirteen minutes to six. 492 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: Hi Donna, oh, hello to you. Hello. Now we're one 493 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: week into the election campaign and the courliss and Leader 494 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: Leader of the Opposition, Peter Dutton, has made a somewhat 495 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: embarrassing u turn. 496 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 12: Yes, it's rather dramatic a policy reversal, let's call it. 497 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 12: Of course, it had planned the coalitionion to sack forty 498 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 12: one thousand public service employees. It had planned to restrict 499 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 12: work from home arrangements. Peter Dutton has admitted he made 500 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 12: a mistake there his words. He also said he got 501 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 12: it wrong. Now the plan had proved really unpopular. This 502 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 12: is a policy that was going to have a mandated 503 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 12: minimum number of days in the office, that is five 504 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 12: days a week. While who wasn't a popular with well 505 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 12: among women, for starters working families. Well, they've come to 506 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 12: rely on these flexible work arrangements, as we know. So 507 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 12: the Coalition now says it will rely on natural attrition 508 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 12: and those sackings will no longer happen. And Dutton is 509 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 12: now professing that and these are his words. We're listening 510 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 12: to what people say. We've also heard from the Prime 511 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 12: Minister who says no one believes Peter Dutton has changed 512 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 12: his mind. He believes that Dutton will rip up those 513 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 12: flexible work arrangements the minute if he does get the chance. 514 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: Yes, well, Jim Charmer's the Treasures in fact been calling 515 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, Doji Dutton other elon mush which Turner phrase. 516 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: Problem of course with the coalition that leaves a twenty 517 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: four billion dollar hole in their funding plan and they 518 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: wanted to use that on health than other spending. 519 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 12: So yeah, how are they going to pay for the 520 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 12: range of policies. 521 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: That's right, it's true. Meanwhile, Pauline Hanson is hiring in house. 522 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 12: Oh gosh, well we know that she's a very very 523 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 12: controversial figure in Australian politics. Point Hanson of One Nation 524 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 12: fame has enlisted her daughter Lee to carry on One 525 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 12: Nation's influence in parliament. As she's put it, she denies nepotism, 526 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 12: saying well her three sons aren't up to the job. 527 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 12: She says, I wouldn't have any of my sons in parliament. 528 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 12: This is about qualifications, not nepotism. So forty one year 529 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 12: old Lee, who has just been a newly announced Senate 530 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 12: candidate for Tasmania, also commented about her brothers and said, yes, 531 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 12: you know she does mean that, but we know that Hanson. 532 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 12: Senator Hanson is seventy years old, so she's nearing retirement 533 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 12: aged of course, and she's saying her time in politics 534 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 12: is coming to an end and she wants people to 535 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 12: carry carry on or her legacy. As she put it, 536 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 12: there you go. 537 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: Retirement is a state of mind, not an age. Can 538 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: I just remind you. 539 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 12: This is what there were, this is what pundits have 540 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 12: been observing about Hags and that's all. 541 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't tend to. 542 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 12: Note people's ages as you may. 543 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: Be as you get older, you tend to do that less. 544 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: It is eleven to six New stoksb Coundre Dickens. All right, 545 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: the government has announced a mass of twelve billion dollar 546 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: investment in defense over the next four years. Nine billion 547 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: of it is completely new, with a plan to lift 548 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: defense spending to more than two percent of GDP in 549 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: the next eight years. It comes as we've seen all 550 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: this activity from China. They've launched an into ballistic missile 551 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: in the Pacific last year, hastling the jetstar planes. We 552 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: had three Chinese warships sailing off the coast of Sydney 553 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. So retired Lieutenant Colonel Hayden 554 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: Ricketts joins me, good morning to your Hayden. 555 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 8: Good morning, Andrew, how are you? 556 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 5: I'm good. 557 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: This is a record spend and it's overdue, isn't it. 558 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 10: I think it is. 559 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 8: I congratulate the government on what is really a step 560 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 8: change for defense spending over the past thirty five years 561 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 8: or sorry, twelve billion dollar commitment to increase spending over 562 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 8: the next four years. That's absolutely massive. But our observation 563 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 8: around the whole plan is that it's great to see 564 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 8: some new tins, some new ships for Navy, to aircraft Reirforce, 565 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 8: and some armored vehicles and things for army. But what 566 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 8: this misses the mark on is the people component parts. 567 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 8: Holiness was identified as a really contributing factor in the 568 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 8: sinking of the MONEYMNUI, and I don't see where in 569 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 8: the Defense Capability Plan the link between that holiness and 570 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 8: how the DCP is going to address the gaps and 571 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 8: the key skills and trades in the defense walls at 572 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 8: the moment. 573 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: Indeed, as Little reported that in fact, the Defense Force 574 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: is going through a major restructure right now because of 575 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: the attack on government spending, and so there are in 576 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: fact hundreds of people being laid off, but they're in 577 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: the middle of a process right now, so their morale 578 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: is already low, but now they're being told, actually, now 579 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: you're getting more money. So it's a confusing situation, it is. 580 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 8: I think it's a really good signal that the government 581 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 8: is sending to our international and our partners. I think 582 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 8: that you might have seen a little graph that they 583 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 8: come up with the pressure Reason for your listeners. It's 584 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 8: a graph sort of between nineteen eighty showing defense spending 585 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 8: decreasing from three percent of GDP down to one percent, 586 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 8: so at the moment and then almost like a complete 587 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 8: U turn back up to two percent over the east 588 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 8: eight years. That graph is going to brief beautifully in 589 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 8: capitals all around the world and especially in the White House. 590 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 8: But I think, in realistic terms, can the government afford 591 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 8: to do this? I'm not convinced. Cynically. We've seen twenty 592 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 8: billion dollars invested or stated investment in twenty sixteen in 593 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 8: the DCP, another fourteen million sort of fourteen billion in 594 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 8: defense and DCP nineteen and now another signal of a 595 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 8: huge investment. But these investments get promised, but they don't 596 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 8: get delivered on. 597 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: But here's the other thing. I mean, you're talking the money, 598 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: but it's not about the money. 599 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 5: It's the kit. 600 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: And if you buy the wrong kit, you can waste 601 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: that money really quickly. I talked about the light armored 602 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: vehicles that Health and Clark bought for um piece work, 603 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: when really a lot of people at the time a argue, 604 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: maybe you should be buying a boat. 605 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 10: Well, you're right. 606 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 8: So Army has got a lot of those light armored 607 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,239 Speaker 8: equals that are not being cruised. Some of the new 608 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 8: bush Masters have bought a lot of those equals that 609 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 8: are still not being full of utilized. Navy's got ships 610 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 8: tied up despite the factor of the loss of the moneymenting, 611 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 8: and I think air Force has got more aircraft at 612 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 8: the moment that they can comfortably crew. A commitment to 613 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 8: spend more money on more gear is great, but without 614 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 8: the personnel component part of that to support it in behind, 615 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 8: the whole plan just sort of starts to fall apart. 616 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: Hayden Ricketts, I thank you for your service, and I 617 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: thank you for your time this morning that as Hayden 618 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: here has retarded Lieutenant Colonel and its news talk to 619 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: me and it's seven to. 620 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: Six News and Views you trust to start your day. 621 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: It's early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof make 622 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: your property search simple as news. 623 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 5: Talks they'd be. 624 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: So it's Hayden Rickets said, we've got this, We've got 625 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: the money, where do we find the staff? And as 626 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: I say, we've got the money, but what kit do 627 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: we buy? Because that's that's the critical segment it comes 628 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: to defense, because you could go and buy some lemons, 629 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: you could buy some second stuff that fall out of 630 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: the air Can I mention the seven five seven for instance? 631 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: So we could blow this to our billion just like 632 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: that text through saying even some of the SAS guys 633 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: have had to buy additions to their equipment personally back 634 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: in the day. And that's our defense force, ladies and gentlemen. 635 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: And this is Mike Husking, good morning. 636 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 17: I felt good about yesterday in that join the world 637 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 17: type vibe. 638 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: You know it's been. 639 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 17: Two percent to be GDP and stuff like that. Three 640 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 17: ships we have, yeah, well yeah, apparently five don't. Well 641 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 17: we don't at the moment because we don't know that 642 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 17: because they're tied up because we don't have the staff. 643 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 17: So that's one of the big issues. So they talked 644 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 17: about that yesterday. That's in the budget. The salary money 645 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 17: is in the budget, which is separate to what they 646 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 17: were announcing yesterday, and there's a lot of drones and 647 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 17: a lot of that personalless tech ithance. 648 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: Lethality is the headline day. 649 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 17: First time you've ever heard that. Yeah, I've never heard 650 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 17: lethality before as a word. But anyway, we're going to 651 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 17: have more of it as a result, and the Australians 652 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 17: love us, and the world will love us, and the 653 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 17: whole world's change again. So we're sort of joining the 654 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 17: big boys club. My only hope is that it's one 655 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 17: of those things that stays the because if you get 656 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 17: the Greens and labor and power, you've got to wonder 657 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 17: whether they're pro guns and military and fighting and conflict 658 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 17: and stuff like that. 659 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: Anyway, David Parker was actually on the Telly On on 660 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: the weekend and he seemed good year. 661 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 17: But David Parker is not always aligned with the Labour 662 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 17: Party from my experience, you know what I'm saying. Anyway, 663 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 17: So Ron Mark, who was a defense minister, Judith Collins, 664 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 17: who is a defense minister, is going. 665 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: To be with a song. You are a defense minister, 666 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: do you have to have fired a gun? 667 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 17: It's a very good question, but that's applicable to every 668 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 17: single portfolio. If you're the broadcasting minister, do you ever 669 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 17: have to have hosted a radio show? 670 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: So the answer is. 671 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 17: No, she said fumbling up in the press conference yesterday. 672 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 17: She said at the end of it, it's been a 673 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 17: big learning curve for me. So good on at for 674 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 17: saying that's the answer is probably she didn't get any 675 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 17: good program. 676 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember that picture of Judith with the hemp. 677 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 17: Very much and she's with us this morning. 678 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: Good take you to producer Ken think my name's Andrew Dickins. 679 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm back again tomorrow. 680 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 5: Have a great day. 681 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, Listen live 682 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: to News Talks it Be from five am weekdays, or 683 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.