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Speaker 1: What does recognizing Palestine actually mean? The Brits, the Aussies,

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Speaker 1: the Canadians, they have all done it. We're mulling the idea,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Nasiktite is with the Australian National University with me,

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Speaker 1: good evening, Good evening. Tell me I've had a rate

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Speaker 1: of Pennywong's statement. What exactly or who exactly are they

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Speaker 1: recognizing here?

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Speaker 2: Well, the recognition is for a Palestinian state, and this

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Speaker 2: state is hypothetically, at some point in the future, would

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Speaker 2: exist on the boundaries of the nineteen sixty seven You

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Speaker 2: and General Resolution to for two which was which recognized

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Speaker 2: rather the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip

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Speaker 2: as occupied territory. So this state is a future Palestinian

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Speaker 2: state that would exist on these borders, and for the

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Speaker 2: for the time being, the recognition is for the Palestinian

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Speaker 2: governance structure, which is represented by the Palestinian Authority, which

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Speaker 2: would then be treated as a state again waiting for

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Speaker 2: a future point where this government would actually turn into

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Speaker 2: a state and have sovereignty over land and territory, and

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Speaker 2: that light being the West Bank, the Gaza Strip as

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Speaker 2: well as East Jerusalem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of water to go under a

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Speaker 1: lot of different bridges there in order to get to

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Speaker 1: that point. Given how hypothetical it is, is it just

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Speaker 1: more symbolic.

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Speaker 2: I think the symbolic nature of this is not only

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Speaker 2: because it's a hypothetical future scenario where facts on the

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Speaker 2: ground suggest and point the other way, which is total

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Speaker 2: Israeli control over this area. But the symbolic nature is

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Speaker 2: related to the context that exists today in these territories

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Speaker 2: that I just mentioned. In the West Bank we are

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Speaker 2: facing and we are witnessing an accelerated rate of displacement,

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Speaker 2: as well as Israeli annexation East Jerusalem was annexed to

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Speaker 2: his role in the nineteen eighties. And in the Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 2: we are witnessing what the United Nations and the world's

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Speaker 2: leading international organizations are describing as a genocide as well

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Speaker 2: as ethnic cleansing. So this is the context under which

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Speaker 2: Palestinians live right now, as including Palestinian governance, including the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian government and the Palestinian governing elites. So the symbolic

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Speaker 2: nature is really related to this reality rather than the

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Speaker 2: other points, which is it's not necessarily there isn't currently

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Speaker 2: sovereignty on the ground it's a hypothetical state and so on.

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Speaker 1: All right, interesting stuff, Doctor and tite with us Senior

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