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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business. Charles Feldman, US correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Now Hey, Charles, Hey, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got Charlie Kirk's murder accused appearing in

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Speaker 1: court for the first time. What's the latest here, Well.

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Speaker 2: He appeared by video and there's a lot of new

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Speaker 2: evidence that was presented at the court. We found out,

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Speaker 2: for example, that he apparently had an exchange This is,

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Speaker 2: of course, the suspect in exchange of text messages with

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Speaker 2: his roommate, who also happened to be someone he was

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Speaker 2: romantically involved with, where if you accept at face value

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Speaker 2: those text messages, he would seem to indicate that he

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Speaker 2: was confessing to the murder of Charlie Kirk. And when

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Speaker 2: his roommate asked why, his response was along the lines

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Speaker 2: of that he couldn't tolerate in his view, was the

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Speaker 2: hate that and he was referring to a hate speech

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Speaker 2: of course, that Charlie Kirk was spreading on his campus debates.

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Speaker 2: So we learned that, We learned that the state of

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Speaker 2: Utah is planning to seek the death penalty if he's convicted.

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Speaker 2: Not at all clear if a jury will go along

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Speaker 2: with that, and also in the states on the states

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Speaker 2: that do have the death penalty, these things do play

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Speaker 2: out over many, many years, So this is something that's

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Speaker 2: going to take a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Did you see anything in the text messages that have

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Speaker 1: been released that caught your eye? I mean, it seemed

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Speaker 1: to me the remarkable thing about it was how calm

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Speaker 1: he wasn't explaining why he did the thing that he

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Speaker 1: had done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, and I think that that's actually a

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Speaker 2: very precise way of putting it, Heather. He was very

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Speaker 2: matter of fact. He didn't seem to be trying in

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Speaker 2: any way, shape or form to conceal his action. But

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Speaker 2: he wasn't boastful either. He was you know, at least

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Speaker 2: my reading of it was, he was very straightforward. He said,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is what I did. I had an

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Speaker 2: opportunity and I decided to take that opportunity. And his roommate,

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Speaker 2: who is apparently cooperating with authorities, was incredulous and at

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Speaker 2: first said, you know, you're kidding, right, And obviously he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Kidding, Yeah, not at all. Now, listen, the terrorism charges

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Speaker 1: against Luigi MANGIONI have been dropped y.

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Speaker 2: Well, because terrorism charges at the state level is kind

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Speaker 2: of a new thing here in the In the States,

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Speaker 2: terrorism charges typically are for federal cases. Some states passed

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Speaker 2: their own terrorism laws after nine to eleven. They've rarely

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Speaker 2: been prosecuted in court, and so the prosecutors were going

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Speaker 2: for it. But the judge said, no, you know, not

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Speaker 2: really an off there to say that this was a

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Speaker 2: terrorism case, because terrorism implies all kinds of political philosophies

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Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, and that was, in the

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Speaker 2: Dredger's view, absent from this particular case. So therefore no

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Speaker 2: terrorism charge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you reckon Trump's going to cut some deals

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Speaker 1: with Stammer?

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Speaker 2: Well, he wants to cut deals, right, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: look the whole reason, as you know, the Brits decided

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Speaker 2: to have him back. Trump back for a second unprecedented

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Speaker 2: stayed Visit was in their hopes that by buttering him

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Speaker 2: up they would get a better deal when it comes

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Speaker 2: to trade and tariffs, and Trump is planning to have

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Speaker 2: some signing of agreements along the lines of high tech

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Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. You know. Trump likes to

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Speaker 2: be treated like a monarch, so it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: meeting of monarchs if you will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one way of looking at it, Charles, Thanks very much,

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Speaker 1: Charles Feldman, You is correspondent. More from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.

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