1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Right to the UK. We go run a little bit 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: of morning to you. 3 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: Good morning Mike. 4 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Now Trump, the dinner, the pomp, the pedgeantry. It's I mean, 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: how gripped is Britain by this as an exercise? Do 6 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: you think? 7 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: I don't think the ordinary people are terribly gripped one 8 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: way or the other. I mean, there are something like 9 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: five thousand protesters in London. Fortunately Trump isn't going anywhere 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: near London, but they're all saying, what a ghastly band, 11 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: what a ghastly man. The rest of the country is 12 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: just watching on slightly bemusedly. The only person this is 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: for is Donald Trump. We are flinging every bit of 14 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: royal regalia at him that we can in order to 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: be in order to curry favor. And it seems to 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: work work last time on his first state visit. It 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: seems to be working now. 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: It talks about the power of the monarchy, doesn't it. 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what Charles thinks of Trump. 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I can guess what Charles thinks of Trump. But you 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: cannot underestimate the power of soft diplomacy, No you can't. 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: And we have that, know, we have that royal family 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: which many people want to do away with, and when 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: they're not making friends with Jeffrey Epstein, they're very useful 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: to us. And you know, the Royal family is it's 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: it's had a rough ten or fifteen years, you know, 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: ever since I suppose really longer than that, the death 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 2: of Princess Diana's. It's had its problems, but at times 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: like this it just show you that, you know, it's 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: valuable for something. And so we ferry Trump to Winsor Castle. 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: We give him state banquets. We have a fly pasted 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: with the red arrows everything we can possibly fling it him. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 2: We fling. 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: Once he leaves Windsor, he's going to go to Chickens 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and he's going to meet Keyo Starmer. Is Starmer's desperate 36 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: for good news and good headlines, of course, so he'll 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: be welcoming that does he get? I mean, all this 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: take money that's flying about, is that material? Is that real? 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems to be. At the moment 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: when I first heard the figures that would be talked about, 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: we're talking about something in the original thirty billion quid for 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: some of the tex stuff. And these are deals on 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: AI and high tech investment, which will of course go 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: probably to the southeast of the country mainly, but an 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: enormous philip at a time for the economy when the 46 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: economy is pretty much on the rocks, and when Kars 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: Starmer is desperate for some good news. So whatever the 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: reality of it, we will certainly be played out as being, 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: you know, an enormous gift and a consequence of Sir 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: Kars Starmer and Peter Mandelson's and David Lammy's diplomatic efforts 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: with the Trump administration which have paid off. You know, 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: let's not take it away from them. They have managed 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: to get on the right side of Trump. And Trump 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: is an anglifier. 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Yes he is. He does seem to genuinely enjoy himself. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: Having said that the steel tariffs, which you're at twenty 57 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: five percent, which was good compared to some countries, I 58 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: think you were hoping for zero zero's off. If that 59 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't come to pass, I mean, the relationship, the whole 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: terror of thing did. What do you does grinham Baru? 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: I think we grin and bear it. It's still better 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: than what the U use getting That sort of matters 63 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: to us right now. This is the way England has 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: viewed its history for the last one thousand years. Are 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: we doing better than the French and on that particular, 66 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: that particular issue, than we are. No, it looks as 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: if the plea for no Taos at all has indeed 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: been roundly dismissed. More importantly is what is what perhaps 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: Starma will have to say to Trump on the issues 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: of Ukraine and Israel and Russia. It is it will 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: be tricky raising those problems, and also, of course what 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: he's got to say to about mandleson which will have 73 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: There will have to be some sort of exchange over mandalsoon, 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: which brings you into the Epstein business. 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Yes it does. You have a good weekend. Rod will 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: catch up with you soon if you're not up on 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: the India. Just a couple of quick things out of Britain. 78 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: The Eritrean bloke was successful in court. He was one 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: of the one in one outsid. There's none and none 80 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: out so far, so that's turning into the predictable bust. 81 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: I will come back because I don't have time at 82 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: the moment. But the Scottish Parliament has passed a new 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: law the removal of not proven They have three things 84 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: in a court in Scotland. One is guilty, one is 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: not guilty, and one is not proven. And they finally, 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: after years of arguing about it, changed that. But when 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: I get time, I will come back to that. Because Mike, 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: a bit of hypocrisy from the King, alienated a brother 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: then welcomes another Epstein friend lost any support they clang 90 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: onto in this household. Well, you're reading it completely wrong 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: and in a way you're so exercised about it. I 92 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: saw a protest as saying exactly the same thing from 93 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: the streets of London yesterday. What you've got to understand 94 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: is the president is the president. You know, Andrew's just 95 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: a dufas who hangs around the family and as a 96 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: bit of a spare royal. The President is the duly 97 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: elected representative of the United States of America. You may 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: not like him, you may not like the way he's 99 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: behaved allegedly or not, but the fact is he's the 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: most powerful man in the world and you've got to 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: deal with them. It's as simple as that. And that's 102 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: where you get to a pole for old Kia came 103 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: out in Wales. They're having a vote in Wales next 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: year on this poll out This morning has the government 105 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: the Labor Party in absolute distrates. It's a you gov 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: poll thirty percent to the local party. The Thecomery Party 107 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: flooed Cremery Reform is up four to twenty nine. Labour 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: have dropped another four. They're down at fourteen, only beating 109 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: the Tories to eleven. So Wales looks like it might 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: get flipped in May next year unless things changed dramatically. 111 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: For more from The mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 112 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.