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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 2: Talk sed be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into

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Speaker 2: Monday show. So great to have you with us as always,

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Speaker 2: and a big welcome back to you.

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Speaker 3: Met he get a mates, Thank you, Tyler, I thank

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Speaker 3: you everyone. No one said they might not be I

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Speaker 3: don't know what I'm thinking of them.

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Speaker 2: Oh you can always thank people. Thank you for what

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Speaker 2: you said. Welcome back. No, it's good to be beck,

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Speaker 2: is what I mean to say. It is good to

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Speaker 2: have you a back mate.

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Speaker 3: I've forgotten how to speak after not being on the

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Speaker 3: radio for a week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you lose a pretty fast. Yeah you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's only I won't have been away for

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Speaker 3: a week, but it feels like a lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I well, thank you for holding down the fort

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Speaker 3: while I was way was what I meant to say

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Speaker 3: to Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. Yep, No, no, I did what I

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Speaker 2: needed to do, mate, But you were sorely missed and

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of texts and through saying where

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Speaker 2: the hell is Matt Heath? But you're back now, So

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Speaker 2: that is the thing that matters.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be huge over the next three hours.

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of great stuff on the show today.

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Speaker 2: We certainly do. After three o'clock it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a great chat. We've already had dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 2: texts in regards to this topic. So this is on

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Speaker 2: the back of an unused child's bike from the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister's garage. It made it into the Police Gifts Register

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Speaker 2: this year. It's one of many items recorded, but this

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Speaker 2: one stands out because of how it came about. So,

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Speaker 2: according to the register, Christopher Luxen insisted on giving the

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Speaker 2: bike to a member of the Diplomatic Protection Squad, saying

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Speaker 2: it would help him clear some space in the garage.

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Speaker 2: The officer wrote that he initially tried to decline, but

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister encouraged him to come and take a look,

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Speaker 2: and eventually the bike was accepted with the supervisor and

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Speaker 2: in the Prime Minister's garage as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is interesting, but it's also the idea

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Speaker 3: You don't want to get rid of it. You can't

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Speaker 3: be bother selling it, as basically the situation. A lot

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Speaker 3: to be some rules around that, right. It has to

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Speaker 3: So the person that gets at home is actually just

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Speaker 3: getting a piece of rubbish. Right morally, you can't do that, right.

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Speaker 2: Like a dining room table with three legs, you just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like this textas says I gree with Matt,

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Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, there's a window, and how long that window

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Speaker 2: a great chat a three eight o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 2: the government has rolled out this new action plan to

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Speaker 3: So supplementary question to the question of whether these this

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do we need to get ahead of that? That

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Speaker 2: that the rising costs and slower revenue growth of pushing

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Speaker 2: government consider selling or recycling some state owned assets to

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Speaker 2: help balance the books. So it's already dividing opinion. Of course,

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Speaker 2: as it often does, critics warn against offloading important assets,

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Speaker 2: while supporters that maybe necessary to get the finances under control.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we spend a lot of money on COVID

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Speaker 3: and then Gabrielle, so we don't have a lot of

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of debt and so currently we're.

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Speaker 3: Borrowing just to pay for the basics. Yep, you just

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Speaker 3: can't do that. Everyone knows you can't keep doing that.

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Speaker 2: It's no way to run a budget, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: So sure, in twenty thirteen, there was a referendum and

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Speaker 3: everyone said, well, sixty five percent I believe I'm just

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Speaker 3: things have changed. So do we need to start thinking

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Speaker 3: about asset sales again under these new even more intense

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Speaker 3: Do we need to be running key.

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Speaker 2: We Rail yep. Do we need to be owning banks

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Speaker 2: NZ post? Yeah? Do we rarely? Do we want our

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Speaker 3: John says yes, Matt. If you say key rail again

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Speaker 3: and is going to extend down the phone and hit

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Speaker 2: The ear, well, that's all of a talent.

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Speaker 3: That's just asking the question about Kivy Rayl and wow,

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Speaker 3: can can you do that?

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Speaker 2: Jane? John? If you can do that, that's impressive.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I don't mind being hit around the ear if

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Speaker 3: you can. If you if you have the ability to

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Speaker 3: then go for it.

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Speaker 2: You can't say something like that without proving it.

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Speaker 3: But we, as in the taxpayers have given so much

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Speaker 3: to Kiwi Whale in my opinion, the government should own electricity, water, road,

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Speaker 2: Jeers Well, thank you very much, John. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: just on that to John. You've got to say John

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Speaker 2: into that particular organization. That's a whole It's the whole

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Speaker 3: This is the test here. Fentanyl is here, not coming

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Speaker 3: Come on, guys. Yeah, everyone knows that fentanyl is here,

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Speaker 3: on a different topic, is here and it's been mixed

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Speaker 2: we need to pump some money into it? But that

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Speaker 2: you think would be right at the top of the

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Speaker 2: It'd be at sixteen past one. Just before we get

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Speaker 2: event happening in tonged Edo. There is a stand up

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Speaker 2: That is a little bit later on. But back to

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Speaker 2: this top topic. Rather spit it out, Tiller about asset sales.

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Speaker 2: So Treasury has warned we're in a dire financial position

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Speaker 2: and it suggested we need to have a serious debate

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Speaker 2: about looking at some of our government assets to potentially

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Speaker 2: flog off some or all of it. Now, Mike Hoskin

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Speaker 2: selling off assets. Here's what was said.

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Speaker 6: I think we need to have quite a mature conversation

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Speaker 6: about assets in New Zealand. I think it's been a

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Speaker 6: very simplistic one of you that flog them off or

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Speaker 6: you keep them. But you and I don't have the

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Speaker 6: same cars that we had when we first started, and

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Speaker 6: we don't keep our assets forever. And actually, when you

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Speaker 6: look at what KWI saver funds do or super funds do,

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Speaker 6: they rotate assets through a portfolio. I don't think our

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Speaker 6: government agencies do a very good job of managing their

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Speaker 6: the OECD and running an asset management Fifty percent of

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Speaker 6: our most capital intentsive agencies haven't had asset management plans,

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Speaker 6: which means they don't even know what they own and

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Speaker 6: where the.

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Speaker 2: Assets actually are.

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Speaker 6: But if you look at something like pump, which is

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Speaker 6: a whole bunch of farmland that the government owns and runs,

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Speaker 8: Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm against it, don't they learn? Like you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, you got to say that the railway situation was interesting.

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Speaker 9: Yeahbi once we got very little assets. Now what the

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Speaker 3: Do you think what about let's go for some specific

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Speaker 9: I think we still should have a station because you

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Speaker 9: TV station. No, thanks very much, but you could.

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Speaker 3: But you know, back in the day maybe that was

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we're still going to have basic infrastructure like our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't that, you know, sort of promote

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Speaker 2: That never happened. They're still trying. Does it not make

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Speaker 9: No, I don't think what we have we don't own

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Speaker 3: I think if you call Pete appreciate that someone says

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean how would they sell it for?

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's not going to be That's my point.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty seven past one and we're talking about

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Speaker 3: Someone points out, wasn't TV three sold for one dollar?

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Speaker 3: You know that that was absolutely worth the money. The

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Speaker 2: They could take it on absolutely yep.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's go through some of these these companies

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Speaker 2: But what do you reckon, Helen. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 11: Oh hello, yes, great topic. Now just a few thoughts

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Speaker 2: Is that the solution? But does that actually grow the.

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Speaker 2: performing as set? That it's costing us money to to

436
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Speaker 2: prop that up? And you can argue the same. KEII

437
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Speaker 2: Bank has just got five hundred million dollars from the

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Speaker 2: government to try and make it sustainable and compete with

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Speaker 2: the Aussie banks. I mean, this is just propping up dead,

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Speaker 2: dead horses, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But I guess, I mean the problem with the banks

443
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Speaker 3: is a bit you know, Ideally we'd want a bank

444
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Speaker 3: that can pick with the Aussie banks, so all that

445
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Speaker 3: money isn't just leaving our country, right. The problem is

446
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Speaker 3: for a bank like Kiwi Bank to compete with the

447
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Speaker 3: Aussie banks, it needs to get a lot of capital,

448
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Speaker 3: and the capital it needs to get probably comes from overseas,

449
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Speaker 3: which means overseas ownership. So it's in a kind of

450
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Speaker 3: a bit of a catch twenty two situation with the

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Speaker 3: idea of Keem Bank to solve a problem. To solve

452
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Speaker 3: that problem, it kinds of has to become part of

453
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Speaker 3: the problem. I guess you could argue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah nicely, said right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

455
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Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. We got the headlines

456
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Speaker 2: hot on our tail and coming up very shortly. We

457
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Speaker 2: are going to have a chat to Brad Olsen, the

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Speaker 2: CEO of Informetrics, to get his thoughts on this idea.

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Speaker 3: John says he'll give ten cents to the government for

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Speaker 3: Radio New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's good offer. That's a fair offer. That's ten cents.

462
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Speaker 2: We don't have to borrow far go once going twice

463
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Speaker 2: nineteen nineties of tixs number headlines with Raylan coming.

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Speaker 10: Up youth talk said the headlines with Blue bubble taxis

465
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Speaker 10: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Two Tapati Mardi

466
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Speaker 10: MPs will sit as Independence in Parliament for now after

467
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Speaker 10: being expelled from the party by its National Council. Chris

468
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Speaker 10: Luxon's confident the youth offender boot camp trial had enough

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Speaker 10: good to justify it. Plans are underway for another cohort in.

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Speaker 1: The new year.

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Speaker 10: Grave fears for the impacts of the massive blaze still

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Speaker 10: burning at torletot Or National Park, now covering two and

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Speaker 10: a half thousand hectares rains now falling into a Pahu region,

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Speaker 10: with hopes it'll continue all day. New Plymouth Center City

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Speaker 10: Mall is closed today during police investigations after an overnight

476
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Speaker 10: break in a fifty three hectare metropolitan center. Development has

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Speaker 10: been approved at Drury in South Auckland, the fifth project

478
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Speaker 10: granted fast track approval this year. An application was made

479
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Speaker 10: in April. The thirtieth Annual You and Climate Summit stunts

480
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Speaker 10: in Brazil tonight we're attending foreign leaders, diplomats and ministers

481
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Speaker 10: will be urged to commit to more ambitious action. Labour's

482
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Speaker 10: targeted CGT could prove a politically smart move. That's what

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Speaker 10: Mark lista writes. You can read the full column at

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Speaker 10: Endsaid Herald Premium Back Martin, matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylian. So as we've been discussing

486
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Speaker 2: a discussing treasury as nudging the government to look at

487
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Speaker 2: potentially selling off some state assets that are underperforming or

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Speaker 2: are no longer fit for purpose. To discuss this further,

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Speaker 2: we are joined by Brad Olson, the CEO of for Metrics. Brad,

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Speaker 2: could they have you back on the show? Good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: team Brad.

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Speaker 3: Are we currently borrowing more money from overseas to run

493
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Speaker 3: the basics of this country? So are we basically going

494
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Speaker 3: in debt just to stay to tread water?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Unfortunately we are having to borrow for sort of

496
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Speaker 13: just the daily costs, which of course means that future

497
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Speaker 13: generations have got to pay that back, but they don't

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Speaker 13: get any of the benefit because it's paying for payments

499
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Speaker 13: that are going out one time only sort of right

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Speaker 13: the second So that doesn't make a huge amount of sense.

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Speaker 13: It's a tough one economically, but on the current forecast

502
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Speaker 13: that's going to continue out until the end of the decade.

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Speaker 13: So it is challenging when you're in deficit. You have

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Speaker 13: to pay for all of that sort of gap in debt.

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Speaker 13: And I think the point that the Treasury has come

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Speaker 13: out with with their investment statement of saying, look, let's

507
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Speaker 13: actually have a bit more of a conversation around like

508
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Speaker 13: why does the government own certain stuff at various points

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Speaker 13: over time. It's bought things, it's acquired things, it's held

510
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Speaker 13: on to things. But why should we own a TV station?

511
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Speaker 13: Should we own farms? Should we own tricity companies? Maybe

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Speaker 13: the default answer that should be maybe not instead of

513
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Speaker 13: definitely yes.

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Speaker 3: So if you look at those assets though, say TV

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Speaker 3: and Z New Zealand posts, kere We bank Land Corps

516
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Speaker 3: seems like quite a good one. But are they are

517
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Speaker 3: they difference makers if we sold there? I mean, how

518
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Speaker 3: much is TV and Z worth?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 14: All up?

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Speaker 13: The government or Treasury reckons that the government owns about

522
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Speaker 13: ninety nine billion dollars worth of assets that are sort

523
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Speaker 13: of more commercial in nature, so they're not your vital

524
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Speaker 13: infrastructure like roads and similar I think that's about three

525
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Speaker 13: hundred and forty odd billion that you get with hospital skills,

526
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Speaker 13: roads all that no one's talking about doing anything with them.

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Speaker 13: There's a couple I think there's nearly two hundred billion

528
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Speaker 13: worth of commercial investments, so you know the like acc Fund,

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Speaker 13: the Superfund. Again, no one's discussing getting rid of them.

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Speaker 13: You might always change exactly what they want to do

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Speaker 13: with their money and what the government requires of those

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Speaker 13: managers to fund or to look to increase those investments.

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Speaker 13: But it's anet and billion dollars worth of assets that

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Speaker 13: the effectively their companies of different descriptions that you go, well,

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Speaker 13: why is the government going to be better at deciding

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Speaker 13: on how these assets play out than the private sector,

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Speaker 13: especially when some of them are you know, they're not

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Speaker 13: fully owned by the government either, and so there's other

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Speaker 13: influences other investors that sort of want a certain return.

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Speaker 13: And I think, look, the point here is more not

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Speaker 13: necessarily just to sort of, as some people put it,

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Speaker 13: you know, you sell the family looms and then you know,

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Speaker 13: you just sort of spend it on the day to day.

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Speaker 2: It's more, if we want more.

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Speaker 13: Investments into certain areas, which apparently is a country we do.

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Speaker 13: We know we've got an infrastructure deficit. Is the government

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Speaker 13: better to recycle out some of the assets that they're

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Speaker 13: not currently getting the best performance from or don't think

549
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Speaker 13: are the best things to hold and instead use that

550
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Speaker 13: money to invest in other things that they do think

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Speaker 13: are more important, like over time, you do it just

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Speaker 13: you're spending an investment as a household. I think that's

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Speaker 13: healthy for the government to consider too.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think most people agree that, you know, private

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Speaker 3: ownership is more efficient than government ownership. But then that

556
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Speaker 3: brings in the profit over public good part of it.

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Speaker 3: So what are the risks around that of selling these

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Speaker 3: assets or parts of these assets.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's difficult elements, and I think you know, people

560
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Speaker 13: are always concerned when they see some of those big

561
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Speaker 13: profit numbers. But again that's the risk that investors are

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Speaker 13: taking around, you know, putting their money in at some

563
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Speaker 13: times they might not be making as bigger returns. But importantly,

564
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Speaker 13: remember that there's still a profit you know, expectation from

565
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Speaker 13: a number of New Zealand companies that are still owned

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Speaker 13: by the government, like in New Zealand TV and Z

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Speaker 13: all of those they are expected to turn a profit.

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Speaker 13: They're expected to make money. So this sort of idea

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Speaker 13: that you know, government owned stuff shouldn't be making money

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Speaker 13: is actually completely wrong. It's deliberately set up to do that.

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Speaker 13: And instead you then go well, how do you sort

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Speaker 13: of potentially make sure that there are some elements of

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Speaker 13: maybe not control, but regulation around what comes through. There's

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Speaker 13: still regulation, for example, around different elements of how the

575
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Speaker 13: media works and what things can or can't be published

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Speaker 13: and everything else, so you don't lose control of that

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Speaker 13: as a government, but you just don't sort of have

578
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Speaker 13: to then be playing in the ad revenue space or

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Speaker 13: everything else. So look, there's a whole raft of these.

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Speaker 13: I guess the sort of challenge in the question is

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Speaker 13: if you sort of were to get a bunch of

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Speaker 13: New Zealanders to write out a bunch of assets that

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Speaker 13: they think the government should hold and what the government

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Speaker 13: does hold, how many people are writing down what we've

585
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Speaker 13: currently got, and how many people have got other stuff

586
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Speaker 13: that they think is more important that would be better

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Speaker 13: to swap in an outfull You might well have the

588
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Speaker 13: same value of investments at the end, but it might

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Speaker 13: be in different areas, sort of more social areas where

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Speaker 13: normally the private market might not provide that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 13: be it you know, healthcare, bed, infrastructure or otherwise.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Infometric CEO Brad Olsen. Now, energy sector

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Speaker 3: is the one that everyone brings up. So the current

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Speaker 3: price of electricity in New Zealand, how much is partial

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Speaker 3: asset sales responsible for that price increased?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think.

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Speaker 13: I don't think a huge huge amount, because again, government

598
00:27:07,253 --> 00:27:10,533
Speaker 13: retains you know, a fair whack of those those companies.

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Speaker 13: They can you know, exert control. And I guess the point,

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Speaker 13: right if you're the government and you own an electricity company,

601
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Speaker 13: but you're at the same time saying, well, the electricity

602
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Speaker 13: companies are not doing good for the people of New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: And that's sometimes the comments that come out from various

604
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Speaker 13: politicians like, bro, you own them, do something with it,

605
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Speaker 13: like either use your power or like get rid of them,

606
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Speaker 13: because there's sort of no point in holding something, collecting

607
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Speaker 13: the money that comes in from the profits and then

608
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Speaker 13: going oh, well, the thing that I own is not

609
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Speaker 13: doing the thing that I want it.

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Speaker 2: To make it. That's what ownership's for.

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Speaker 13: And I guess that's probably the big challenge right of

612
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Speaker 13: the last couple of years, is that people have gone,

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Speaker 13: will hang on, we're owning these things, we're not clearly

614
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Speaker 13: exerting the control that we think we want to. What's

615
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Speaker 13: the point of that ownership again, which is why this

616
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Speaker 13: conversation is going up. And I guess look, the point

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Speaker 13: really when you look at the likes of the energy

618
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Speaker 13: companies and similar is if government hasn't made bigger calls

619
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Speaker 13: or sort of had more direction on what they want

620
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Speaker 13: from those energy companies, then it sort of can't say

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Speaker 13: that there's you know, that they've done anything particular to

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Speaker 13: energy prices, because clearly the lever's been there and nothing's

623
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Speaker 13: been pulled. So it does be the question, what's the

624
00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:17,812
Speaker 13: point in having something if you're not going to use

625
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Speaker 13: the ownership rights over it.

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Speaker 2: It's very nice, you said, Brad. But the tricky part,

627
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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong with the when it comes

628
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Speaker 2: to the gentailors and the electricity company is the untold

629
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Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of millions various government has pumped into

630
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Speaker 2: the infrastructure. Then you look at the idea of selling

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Speaker 2: them off and all that costs sunk into that, and

632
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Speaker 2: then to bring in an overseas owner to say, yep,

633
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Speaker 2: we'll buy those those infrastructure assets off you thank you

634
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Speaker 2: very much for your years of pumping millions into that.

635
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Speaker 2: Isn't that kind of where people get a bit concerned

636
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Speaker 2: is as a country we've looked after that for a

637
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Speaker 2: long time and now they're going to put it up

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Speaker 2: for sale.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, to a degree, it can be, although your sales

640
00:28:53,773 --> 00:28:56,053
Speaker 13: price should include all of that sort of sun effort

641
00:28:56,093 --> 00:28:58,413
Speaker 13: to be put into it. But I think, I mean again,

642
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Speaker 13: I don't think anyone's made the cast that it has

643
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Speaker 13: to exclusively go to an overseas investor. You know, if

644
00:29:03,573 --> 00:29:05,773
Speaker 13: you ask people if you're starting to see this coming

645
00:29:05,813 --> 00:29:08,213
Speaker 13: up from a few different companies in New Zealand around

646
00:29:08,213 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 13: you using key we say assets to go onto infrastructure.

647
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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, the likes of Simplicity has talked

648
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Speaker 13: about that recently too. So there's clearly options to try

649
00:29:17,173 --> 00:29:20,093
Speaker 13: and sort of provide more of a commercial directive but

650
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Speaker 13: also sort of you know, maybe not keep it fully

651
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Speaker 13: and let's call it government ownership, but at least provide

652
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Speaker 13: the option or the opportunity for New Zealanders to still

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Speaker 13: do it. And again I guess the challenges right, I mean,

654
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Speaker 13: you heard from the Finance Minister recently who said, look,

655
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Speaker 13: we didn't think we were being a constraint on the

656
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Speaker 13: energy companies, but the more and more we talk to them,

657
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Speaker 13: the more and more they say, well, look if the

658
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Speaker 13: government's not willing to put money in themselves to maintain

659
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Speaker 13: their current holdings, then maybe as an energy company we

660
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Speaker 13: won't invest quite as much. That was the point that

661
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Speaker 13: was always made, and so government sort of said, look,

662
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Speaker 13: we've never held back on you. It's just that no

663
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Speaker 13: one's really asked the question as directly. So the next

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Speaker 13: couple of years, I dare expect that you might well

665
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Speaker 13: see the government either need to pony up more investment

666
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Speaker 13: to put more into the energy sector to help things out.

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Speaker 2: That's sort of the challenge.

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Speaker 13: If we've got pretty limited amounts of money in, is

669
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Speaker 13: there a decision that New Zealanders are okay with putting

670
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Speaker 13: that level of investment in. That's the compromise that you've got,

671
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Speaker 13: and it's a very very delicate balance.

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Speaker 3: Now going to Keiwi Bank speaking of delicate balances, and

673
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Speaker 3: I would say sort of a catch twenty two situation.

674
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Speaker 3: So the idea of Kiwi Bank is to compete with

675
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Speaker 3: the Aussie banks, and so not so much money is

676
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Speaker 3: going overseas because we feel like we might have sold

677
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Speaker 3: off ben Z and such back in the day for

678
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Speaker 3: a bargain and then get got absolutely rinsed on that.

679
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Speaker 3: But for Keiwi Bank to compete, then we need to

680
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Speaker 3: bring sort of sell off a large percentage of it

681
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Speaker 3: and then it becomes the same thing as the Aussie banks.

682
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Speaker 3: So do you think that that is a solvable problem?

683
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Speaker 3: And do you think there's enough money in New Zealand

684
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Speaker 3: for if you you know, you ownly New Zealanders were

685
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Speaker 3: allowed to buy into Kiwi Bank, do you think that

686
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Speaker 3: is a possibility to make a competitive bank in those

687
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Speaker 3: in that regard?

688
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Speaker 2: Look, I think that one's tricky.

689
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Speaker 13: One of my greatest challenges just conceptually with that one

690
00:31:06,653 --> 00:31:08,373
Speaker 13: is that if you're going to own a bit and

691
00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:10,253
Speaker 13: cares a government, but you're not going to use that

692
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Speaker 13: bank to do your own banking. If you're not going

693
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Speaker 13: to back the thing you own, why should anyone else

694
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Speaker 13: like that?

695
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Speaker 2: It becomes a real challenge.

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Speaker 13: And so again, if it's not making it, you know,

697
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Speaker 13: the difference that it was intended to, If it's not

698
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:26,133
Speaker 13: providing that sort of you know, huge difference that people

699
00:31:26,173 --> 00:31:28,093
Speaker 13: expecting when it was set up, you do I think

700
00:31:28,173 --> 00:31:29,813
Speaker 13: have to ask do we keep doing the same thing

701
00:31:29,813 --> 00:31:31,773
Speaker 13: and not getting what we want? Or do we need

702
00:31:31,813 --> 00:31:35,293
Speaker 13: to change tech either by yep, changing the investment levels

703
00:31:35,373 --> 00:31:38,173
Speaker 13: or whatever, But sometimes by saying is this still you

704
00:31:38,213 --> 00:31:40,573
Speaker 13: know the top priority for what we're doing with our money?

705
00:31:40,813 --> 00:31:43,133
Speaker 13: Are we better to let other people own it? And

706
00:31:43,413 --> 00:31:45,173
Speaker 13: I mean like there's a lot of talk of the

707
00:31:45,293 --> 00:31:48,253
Speaker 13: likes of the profits and that going off shore. I

708
00:31:48,253 --> 00:31:50,453
Speaker 13: mean that there's a little bit of there's elements of

709
00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:53,333
Speaker 13: that all the time and different investments that we make.

710
00:31:53,573 --> 00:31:56,373
Speaker 13: But at the same time, there's also the advantage of well,

711
00:31:56,413 --> 00:31:58,653
Speaker 13: the banks still provide a pretty important service when it

712
00:31:58,653 --> 00:32:00,613
Speaker 13: comes to mortgages and otherwise there's still a lot of

713
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:04,453
Speaker 13: people that are employed to hear domestically buy those operations,

714
00:32:04,533 --> 00:32:07,093
Speaker 13: and a lot of the time those high profits are also,

715
00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:10,373
Speaker 13: over time at least have been funding those higher capital

716
00:32:10,413 --> 00:32:12,893
Speaker 13: buffers that the banks have been required to hold by

717
00:32:12,933 --> 00:32:15,493
Speaker 13: the reserve banking case things go wrong. So yes, some

718
00:32:15,573 --> 00:32:17,893
Speaker 13: big numbers and we saw some more I think out today,

719
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Speaker 13: But that also means that if things went in the

720
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Speaker 13: wrong direction, you hope it never does. You hope the

721
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Speaker 13: regulations there, but if it ever does, there's still protections

722
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Speaker 13: in place because of those higher numbers that have been

723
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Speaker 13: coming through so Catch twenty two in multiple different ways

724
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Speaker 13: on the banking front, Yeah, Brad always fantastic to get

725
00:32:34,013 --> 00:32:35,133
Speaker 13: your thoughts and analysis.

726
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming back on the program. Thank

727
00:32:37,893 --> 00:32:40,813
Speaker 2: you having me Feiste love. That is Brad Olsen's CEO

728
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Speaker 2: of Informetrics. So you've heard Brad's thoughts on this, I'd

729
00:32:44,293 --> 00:32:46,213
Speaker 2: love to hear yours. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten

730
00:32:46,373 --> 00:32:48,333
Speaker 2: eighty doesn't make sense to look at some of our

731
00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:51,253
Speaker 2: underperforming as sets to get them right for sale? Or

732
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Speaker 2: does that ideare concern you bank? Very shortly it is

733
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Speaker 2: fourteen to two.

734
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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

735
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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams Afternoons

736
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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be Treasury wants the government to look at as

738
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Speaker 2: its sales.

739
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Speaker 5: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: How one hundred and eight ten eighty is that numbered?

741
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Speaker 15: Call?

742
00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:14,333
Speaker 2: Get a Hamish good guys? How's it going very good?

743
00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:16,013
Speaker 2: So you're working on your trek through at the moment

744
00:33:16,213 --> 00:33:17,053
Speaker 2: for land Corp?

745
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Speaker 16: Is that right?

746
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:18,253
Speaker 15: No?

747
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Speaker 17: No, I'm working for someone else. I've never worked for

748
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Speaker 17: land Corp.

749
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Speaker 1: I am.

750
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Speaker 17: I know that you know what it does, and I

751
00:33:28,293 --> 00:33:31,533
Speaker 17: know that their costs are probably a little bit higher

752
00:33:31,613 --> 00:33:35,133
Speaker 17: than a lot of commercial guys. But yeah, my thing

753
00:33:35,293 --> 00:33:36,373
Speaker 17: is with the whole.

754
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Speaker 5: Sale of it.

755
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Speaker 17: I think it's a great idea, but you know, the

756
00:33:42,293 --> 00:33:46,973
Speaker 17: average farm size for one family would be a five

757
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:49,973
Speaker 17: hundred hectare farm to support one family and maybe a

758
00:33:50,053 --> 00:33:54,413
Speaker 17: couple of kids. The deposit on that is three million

759
00:33:54,453 --> 00:33:58,453
Speaker 17: dollars minimum cash. Now, I don't know anyone in my

760
00:33:58,693 --> 00:34:03,733
Speaker 17: sector who aren't existing farm owners who can come up

761
00:34:03,773 --> 00:34:07,613
Speaker 17: with that sort of capital, let alone the banks, you know,

762
00:34:07,893 --> 00:34:08,693
Speaker 17: going to party.

763
00:34:09,613 --> 00:34:12,172
Speaker 2: So just rowing back to Landcorp and looking at at

764
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Speaker 2: the assets that they've got and I just had a

765
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Speaker 2: wee look on PAMU website. So it's around three hundred

766
00:34:16,253 --> 00:34:19,493
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand hectares. To a layman, that sounds like

767
00:34:19,853 --> 00:34:23,053
Speaker 2: a very valuable, you know, slice of New Zealand that

768
00:34:23,213 --> 00:34:25,853
Speaker 2: could be sold off to be better managed by Would

769
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Speaker 2: that I mean, would it go to everyday kiwis? Do

770
00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:31,413
Speaker 2: you think hamoush or that could be off to internationals?

771
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:34,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about is at

772
00:34:34,613 --> 00:34:37,453
Speaker 17: the moment spread mainly sheep and beef sector. I can't

773
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Speaker 17: talk about the dairy because I'm not a dairy farmer,

774
00:34:40,573 --> 00:34:43,653
Speaker 17: but you know, most of the farms that are getting

775
00:34:43,693 --> 00:34:48,173
Speaker 17: sold at the moment, are getting purchased by overseas investors

776
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:51,813
Speaker 17: to go into pine trees, and you know the government's

777
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:55,573
Speaker 17: done a little bit to slow that down, but I

778
00:34:55,733 --> 00:35:00,013
Speaker 17: know I've got friends and family members who their farms

779
00:35:00,013 --> 00:35:03,613
Speaker 17: are getting sold and you know, the next generation is

780
00:35:03,733 --> 00:35:05,893
Speaker 17: unable to come up with the capital to buy it.

781
00:35:06,693 --> 00:35:09,493
Speaker 17: So the farms are getting swallowed up by the neighbors

782
00:35:09,573 --> 00:35:13,013
Speaker 17: farm or going into pine trees, and I think like

783
00:35:13,173 --> 00:35:16,253
Speaker 17: they are. PAMU is looking at leasing or going into

784
00:35:16,293 --> 00:35:18,973
Speaker 17: equity shares with these farms, which is kind of like

785
00:35:19,253 --> 00:35:23,293
Speaker 17: renting a farm which which you know has you may

786
00:35:23,373 --> 00:35:25,893
Speaker 17: have to have two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to

787
00:35:25,973 --> 00:35:29,533
Speaker 17: get in, which is doable for you know, for a

788
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:30,173
Speaker 17: farm worker.

789
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:33,573
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good plan. Amos, thank you very much

790
00:35:33,613 --> 00:35:36,053
Speaker 2: for your phone call. And you know there's a lot

791
00:35:36,053 --> 00:35:37,933
Speaker 2: of chat about Parmeu in that land call. Yeah.

792
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:39,773
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you're if you're renting it and

793
00:35:39,813 --> 00:35:41,652
Speaker 3: you're running a little business there as a farm, then

794
00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:44,053
Speaker 3: imagine efficiency would become very important to you.

795
00:35:44,213 --> 00:35:46,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, when one right, We're going to play some messages

796
00:35:46,213 --> 00:35:50,373
Speaker 2: back very shortly though it is eight minutes to two Matt.

797
00:35:50,253 --> 00:35:53,573
Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

798
00:35:53,613 --> 00:35:57,493
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

799
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Speaker 2: News dogs B news dogs their b It is five

800
00:36:00,413 --> 00:36:00,973
Speaker 2: minutes to two.

801
00:36:01,653 --> 00:36:04,493
Speaker 3: So where we didn't like asset sales in this nation

802
00:36:04,653 --> 00:36:06,573
Speaker 3: back in twenty thirteen when we had the referendum, do

803
00:36:06,653 --> 00:36:08,573
Speaker 3: we we go to sixty five percent against it? And

804
00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:11,013
Speaker 3: I think it's a political hot potato, isn't it?

805
00:36:11,093 --> 00:36:11,333
Speaker 18: It is?

806
00:36:11,853 --> 00:36:13,813
Speaker 3: We still went in and did some after that non

807
00:36:13,893 --> 00:36:17,453
Speaker 3: binding referendum. But things are bad at the moment financially,

808
00:36:17,493 --> 00:36:20,172
Speaker 3: and sure sure no one thinks, surely no one thinks

809
00:36:20,213 --> 00:36:23,373
Speaker 3: borrowing money from overseas to pay for core services as

810
00:36:23,373 --> 00:36:24,573
Speaker 3: a sustainable.

811
00:36:24,053 --> 00:36:25,133
Speaker 2: Way to run an economy.

812
00:36:25,973 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 3: We're already taxing the absolute crap out of our citizens.

813
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:30,213
Speaker 2: So what do we do?

814
00:36:31,173 --> 00:36:33,813
Speaker 3: We can go on about the massive cockups like key

815
00:36:33,853 --> 00:36:36,133
Speaker 3: we Rail where we paid an insane amount to buy

816
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:39,533
Speaker 3: back a guarded business. That's not a great asset sale situation,

817
00:36:39,653 --> 00:36:42,692
Speaker 3: there is it, But surely each case is different. Maybe

818
00:36:42,733 --> 00:36:44,533
Speaker 3: we could look at each potential sale in its own

819
00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:48,173
Speaker 3: merits Taylor the right mix ownership model where it works

820
00:36:48,493 --> 00:36:52,893
Speaker 3: and you know, not engage in the usual Henny Penny

821
00:36:52,973 --> 00:36:55,253
Speaker 3: response to anything that is brought up for discussion and

822
00:36:55,293 --> 00:36:57,533
Speaker 3: maybe find some kind of balance that works for the

823
00:36:57,613 --> 00:37:00,693
Speaker 3: great country of ours. You know, maybe esset sales should.

824
00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:01,893
Speaker 2: Be in the mix. Yeah, yes, open.

825
00:37:02,093 --> 00:37:03,413
Speaker 3: Do we need to own a TV station?

826
00:37:03,653 --> 00:37:03,853
Speaker 19: Yeah?

827
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:04,533
Speaker 2: Good question.

828
00:37:05,133 --> 00:37:06,813
Speaker 3: Will that bring in the kind of money that make

829
00:37:06,853 --> 00:37:07,253
Speaker 3: a difference.

830
00:37:07,533 --> 00:37:09,613
Speaker 2: I don't know much as it worth, but let's look

831
00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:10,093
Speaker 2: at Langcorp.

832
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:11,853
Speaker 3: Let's have a look and let's have a discussion about it.

833
00:37:11,893 --> 00:37:12,413
Speaker 3: That would be cool.

834
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:14,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice summary, and thank you very much for everyone

835
00:37:14,613 --> 00:37:16,733
Speaker 2: who takes and called on that one. Right coming up

836
00:37:16,853 --> 00:37:18,693
Speaker 2: after two o'clock, we're going to take you live to

837
00:37:18,773 --> 00:37:22,333
Speaker 2: the Central Plateau to get the latest on this massive wildfire.

838
00:37:22,413 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 2: Authorities have just had a media briefing, so we're going

839
00:37:24,853 --> 00:37:27,292
Speaker 2: to have a chat to New Zealand Heralds Mike Scott,

840
00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:29,733
Speaker 2: who is on the ground. Then we want to have

841
00:37:29,813 --> 00:37:32,652
Speaker 2: a chat to you about more investment government investment going

842
00:37:32,693 --> 00:37:36,333
Speaker 2: into tackling myth amphetamine, but also should we be looking

843
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:40,333
Speaker 2: ahead to the fentanyl crisis that is ravaging many parts

844
00:37:40,453 --> 00:37:42,733
Speaker 2: of the world. That's all coming up after two o'clock.

845
00:37:42,973 --> 00:37:45,013
Speaker 2: Great of your company. As always you're listening to Matt

846
00:37:45,053 --> 00:37:48,413
Speaker 2: and Tyler newsport and weather fast approaching. Stay right here.

847
00:37:48,653 --> 00:37:50,053
Speaker 2: We'll be back very shortly.

848
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

849
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:57,573
Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be very good afternoon, Sue. It is six pass two,

851
00:38:02,133 --> 00:38:04,493
Speaker 2: just before we get into our next topic. Firefighter's face

852
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:07,973
Speaker 2: another day battling to bring the Tongadedo National Park fire

853
00:38:08,533 --> 00:38:11,213
Speaker 2: under control. The large fire on the Central Plants I

854
00:38:11,293 --> 00:38:15,133
Speaker 2: broke out on Saturday, triggering evacuations of trampers and residents,

855
00:38:15,173 --> 00:38:18,573
Speaker 2: including Fucker Pupper Village. Authorities have just finished a media

856
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:21,973
Speaker 2: briefing and New Zealand heralds Mike Scott was there. He's

857
00:38:22,053 --> 00:38:25,252
Speaker 2: on the ground and he joins us on the phone. Now, Mike,

858
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:26,413
Speaker 2: very good afternoon to you.

859
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:28,133
Speaker 20: Good afternoon.

860
00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:30,453
Speaker 3: Who was at the stand up and what do we

861
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Speaker 3: learn about the situation?

862
00:38:31,653 --> 00:38:34,893
Speaker 20: Mike, there was a multi agency stand up, so we

863
00:38:34,973 --> 00:38:40,733
Speaker 20: had doc we had been police, Local, EWE and Marech

864
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:42,732
Speaker 20: with curtains.

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Speaker 2: And what came out of that media briefing? Mike, I

866
00:38:47,213 --> 00:38:50,973
Speaker 2: understand we've we've found out roughly how many hectares have

867
00:38:51,093 --> 00:38:52,252
Speaker 2: been destroyed by this fire.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, twenty eight hundred hectares has been destroyed so far,

869
00:38:57,653 --> 00:39:00,252
Speaker 20: which sounds pretty bad, but actually there was a little

870
00:39:00,253 --> 00:39:02,893
Speaker 20: bit of good news out of this briefing. The fire

871
00:39:02,973 --> 00:39:06,053
Speaker 20: is way more contained. Weather has been helping been quite

872
00:39:06,053 --> 00:39:09,732
Speaker 20: wet here, and so the kind of things are looking

873
00:39:09,773 --> 00:39:12,293
Speaker 20: a bit better. There's also not so much wind, not

874
00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:14,053
Speaker 20: like in the weekend when it was hot and dry

875
00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:15,133
Speaker 20: in windy.

876
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:17,773
Speaker 2: So have we seen the worst of the spire, do

877
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:18,373
Speaker 2: you think, Mike?

878
00:39:19,293 --> 00:39:22,133
Speaker 20: Yes, yeah, we have. The residents of the Fucker Papa

879
00:39:22,213 --> 00:39:24,213
Speaker 20: Village are actually going to be allowed to back this

880
00:39:24,373 --> 00:39:29,213
Speaker 20: afternoon so they can return to their homes, which you know,

881
00:39:29,293 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 20: that's obviously a good sign. The fire itself, the main

882
00:39:32,213 --> 00:39:34,693
Speaker 20: part of the fire has actually been kind of contained,

883
00:39:34,733 --> 00:39:37,773
Speaker 20: and so it's split into two flanks, and those flanks

884
00:39:37,773 --> 00:39:40,493
Speaker 20: aren't quite as devastating as what the fire was like yesterday.

885
00:39:41,053 --> 00:39:42,853
Speaker 2: And what does it smell like at the moment, Mike?

886
00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:45,652
Speaker 2: Can you still smell the smoke there? Are you still

887
00:39:45,773 --> 00:39:47,573
Speaker 2: seeing some flames in the distance.

888
00:39:48,893 --> 00:39:52,172
Speaker 20: No, you're not. When I arrived at six o'clock this morning, Yeah,

889
00:39:52,213 --> 00:39:56,133
Speaker 20: it was smoky and you could definitely smell it right now. No,

890
00:39:56,253 --> 00:39:59,573
Speaker 20: it seems like quite a nice crisp alpine day. It's

891
00:39:59,693 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 20: very cloudy here, so we can't see any flames or

892
00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:03,413
Speaker 20: any smoke at the moment.

893
00:40:04,293 --> 00:40:07,413
Speaker 3: So you say twenty eight hundred heck tears have been

894
00:40:07,453 --> 00:40:12,013
Speaker 3: affected by the file. What sort of specific damages occurred

895
00:40:12,053 --> 00:40:13,573
Speaker 3: in that twenty eight hundred he tears.

896
00:40:14,693 --> 00:40:17,853
Speaker 20: It's mainly just the destruction of the bush. It's sort

897
00:40:17,853 --> 00:40:20,933
Speaker 20: of a subbale pine sort of bush, very slow growing,

898
00:40:21,813 --> 00:40:25,733
Speaker 20: quite devastating, actually, Camien from Dock he was saying that

899
00:40:25,773 --> 00:40:30,293
Speaker 20: that's the worst impact. There's probably been some impact on

900
00:40:30,373 --> 00:40:32,013
Speaker 20: the track, you know, the tong we were crossing in

901
00:40:32,093 --> 00:40:34,013
Speaker 20: the Northern Surgeon as well, but not as much as

902
00:40:34,053 --> 00:40:36,973
Speaker 20: what they thought. They think that that can be sort

903
00:40:36,973 --> 00:40:40,653
Speaker 20: of rectified really quickly. It's the bush that's been damaged

904
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:44,733
Speaker 20: that's the real harm. The good users is that the fire,

905
00:40:45,093 --> 00:40:46,933
Speaker 20: when it split into these two flanks, it was able

906
00:40:46,933 --> 00:40:49,533
Speaker 20: to be diverted away from public village but also towards

907
00:40:49,653 --> 00:40:54,293
Speaker 20: crucially not hit beach forest or the kiwed that resided.

908
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:57,853
Speaker 2: There was there any information, Mike about how this may

909
00:40:57,893 --> 00:40:58,812
Speaker 2: have started the fire?

910
00:41:00,053 --> 00:41:03,772
Speaker 20: No, they hadn't let us. There's only speculation at the moment,

911
00:41:03,773 --> 00:41:07,413
Speaker 20: and there's an investigation going on and sins North last.

912
00:41:07,453 --> 00:41:09,173
Speaker 20: We're going to give us any more information on that

913
00:41:09,253 --> 00:41:09,692
Speaker 20: at the moment.

914
00:41:09,893 --> 00:41:13,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the message from Western kurtin the mirror of Rupai,

915
00:41:13,613 --> 00:41:16,573
Speaker 2: who obviously was we are back open for business. We

916
00:41:16,653 --> 00:41:18,693
Speaker 2: want people to go back, and I suppose that is

917
00:41:18,813 --> 00:41:23,293
Speaker 2: an important thing for some of those businesses down there, right, Mike, Oh, definitely.

918
00:41:23,733 --> 00:41:26,093
Speaker 20: This is an area that's been hit consistently for the

919
00:41:26,173 --> 00:41:29,733
Speaker 20: last five years. You know, you've had ski field closures,

920
00:41:29,773 --> 00:41:32,133
Speaker 20: You've had the shadow and closure. You know, they're obviously

921
00:41:32,173 --> 00:41:36,172
Speaker 20: suffered through COVID and they even had the sawmills closed

922
00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:38,212
Speaker 20: down rather he So it's like it's just been kind

923
00:41:38,253 --> 00:41:41,013
Speaker 20: of punched every year. So this is just the latest one.

924
00:41:41,813 --> 00:41:44,133
Speaker 20: So you really do feel for them. But you know,

925
00:41:44,173 --> 00:41:46,093
Speaker 20: Where's as a positive guy. He's going to be looking

926
00:41:46,173 --> 00:41:49,293
Speaker 20: to try and make things now come back to life

927
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:50,333
Speaker 20: as quickly as possible.

928
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:50,813
Speaker 5: Yeah.

929
00:41:51,093 --> 00:41:53,692
Speaker 2: Sounds like some good news all around, Mike, that they've

930
00:41:53,733 --> 00:41:55,933
Speaker 2: got it under control and people can start going back,

931
00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,573
Speaker 2: But it sounds like there will be a bit of

932
00:41:58,613 --> 00:42:00,613
Speaker 2: clean up to go before this is all over.

933
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:01,652
Speaker 1: Yeah.

934
00:42:01,733 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 20: I look, those firefighters will be there for days actually,

935
00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 20: because you know, while the fire the main things might

936
00:42:06,293 --> 00:42:08,173
Speaker 20: be gone, there's going to be still clean up and

937
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 20: making sure that there's no flames underneath the ground. Really. Yeah,

938
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:13,133
Speaker 20: so you're still a long way to.

939
00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:16,373
Speaker 2: Go, Mike, really appreciate your time this afternoon and coming on.

940
00:42:16,573 --> 00:42:17,893
Speaker 2: Thank you and all the best down there.

941
00:42:18,533 --> 00:42:19,253
Speaker 20: No worries, thank you.

942
00:42:19,613 --> 00:42:21,773
Speaker 2: That is the New Zealand heralds Mike Scott on the

943
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:25,453
Speaker 2: latest on that wildfire and tonguededo. So thankfully it appears

944
00:42:25,533 --> 00:42:28,693
Speaker 2: that they have started to contain that fire and residents

945
00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:31,652
Speaker 2: have started coming back. So that is good news because

946
00:42:31,693 --> 00:42:34,893
Speaker 2: it was pretty full on. Right, let's get into this discussion.

947
00:42:34,933 --> 00:42:36,093
Speaker 2: This is going to be a good one. We want

948
00:42:36,093 --> 00:42:38,692
Speaker 2: to have a chat about the money that is going

949
00:42:38,853 --> 00:42:41,893
Speaker 2: to be added in in the fight against meth and fetamine.

950
00:42:41,933 --> 00:42:45,413
Speaker 2: This is thirty million dollars and this will go to

951
00:42:46,053 --> 00:42:48,213
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of various things when it comes to

952
00:42:48,293 --> 00:42:53,853
Speaker 2: methan fetamine, tougher borders, law enforcement operations, maritime patrols, a

953
00:42:53,893 --> 00:42:55,373
Speaker 2: whole raft of these sort of things.

954
00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:55,813
Speaker 18: Yeah.

955
00:42:55,853 --> 00:43:00,533
Speaker 3: We talked to Ethan Griffiths this morning about these rafts

956
00:43:00,573 --> 00:43:01,893
Speaker 3: and he had a good sum up of it. This

957
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 3: is political reporter Ethan Griffiths. First, a bunch more maritime operations.

958
00:43:07,133 --> 00:43:09,733
Speaker 3: This is customs, this is the defense force, even the

959
00:43:09,813 --> 00:43:12,493
Speaker 3: spies that the GCSB will be working to crack down

960
00:43:12,533 --> 00:43:15,773
Speaker 3: on the importation of drugs through the Pacific, boosting enforcement

961
00:43:15,853 --> 00:43:19,212
Speaker 3: abilities as well in accepting more communications. They also want

962
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:21,773
Speaker 3: to work with the maritime sector on more broader controls,

963
00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:24,293
Speaker 3: like strengthening background checks on port workers.

964
00:43:24,613 --> 00:43:26,813
Speaker 4: Over recent years there's been quite a number of high

965
00:43:26,853 --> 00:43:30,173
Speaker 4: profile cases of port workers smuggling drugs in and of

966
00:43:30,253 --> 00:43:32,373
Speaker 4: course there'll also be more money for health services for

967
00:43:32,453 --> 00:43:35,493
Speaker 4: community's hardest hit by myth and a new ad campaign

968
00:43:35,573 --> 00:43:37,533
Speaker 4: to raise awareness of meth harm.

969
00:43:38,333 --> 00:43:40,973
Speaker 2: So that is a good list for the government to

970
00:43:41,213 --> 00:43:43,653
Speaker 2: put that thirty million dollars towards. And no doubt about it,

971
00:43:43,733 --> 00:43:46,293
Speaker 2: methamphetamine is an absolute scourge. I think that was the

972
00:43:46,533 --> 00:43:49,973
Speaker 2: words Paul Goldsmith used. But no doubt about it that

973
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:54,093
Speaker 2: I think we were underprepared to deal with the methm

974
00:43:54,133 --> 00:43:56,693
Speaker 2: fhetamine when it had our shores originally, right.

975
00:43:56,893 --> 00:43:59,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know myth was around and about and

976
00:43:59,933 --> 00:44:02,933
Speaker 3: then look, I'm going to say two thousand and three

977
00:44:03,133 --> 00:44:04,173
Speaker 3: it really exploded.

978
00:44:04,253 --> 00:44:07,212
Speaker 2: Then the word p started being used in the media. Yep.

979
00:44:07,493 --> 00:44:10,733
Speaker 3: I remember us flying and back from from London, and

980
00:44:10,813 --> 00:44:12,253
Speaker 3: I've been there for quite a long time and I've

981
00:44:12,293 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 3: had one of those experiences. We get on in the

982
00:44:13,893 --> 00:44:16,053
Speaker 3: New Zealand flight and you hadn't heard a Kiwi accents.

983
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,333
Speaker 3: You know, you hear ki accents from your Kiwi friends,

984
00:44:18,373 --> 00:44:20,893
Speaker 3: but you hadn't heard it in positions of authority, and

985
00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:23,173
Speaker 3: you know, you get on the plane and yet you

986
00:44:23,293 --> 00:44:28,133
Speaker 3: hear it. Welcome to a newt nowhere around anyway. And

987
00:44:28,173 --> 00:44:29,733
Speaker 3: then there was a there was a hero newspaper there

988
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,732
Speaker 3: and I opened it up direct. So I'm flying out

989
00:44:31,733 --> 00:44:35,093
Speaker 3: of London and it's got this article on P. And

990
00:44:35,213 --> 00:44:37,853
Speaker 3: I had no idea what P was. I'd never heard

991
00:44:37,853 --> 00:44:40,973
Speaker 3: of P, and and there was There's two articles. Actually

992
00:44:41,013 --> 00:44:42,493
Speaker 3: there was P and there was dog attacks. So I

993
00:44:42,573 --> 00:44:44,732
Speaker 3: was going back to New Zealand and I was thought

994
00:44:44,773 --> 00:44:47,093
Speaker 3: there was a new drug called P that was destroying

995
00:44:47,093 --> 00:44:48,853
Speaker 3: the country and everyone was being attacked by dogs.

996
00:44:49,333 --> 00:44:50,813
Speaker 2: It's hell of a thing to come home to, yeah,

997
00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:50,973
Speaker 2: I was.

998
00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:51,333
Speaker 19: I was.

999
00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:53,933
Speaker 3: I was terrified as I arrived home. And you know,

1000
00:44:54,013 --> 00:44:55,413
Speaker 3: when I got back, I found out the P was

1001
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:57,252
Speaker 3: meth and feitamine, which had been around for a while,

1002
00:44:57,293 --> 00:45:00,293
Speaker 3: but was really exploding and you've got to say that

1003
00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:02,533
Speaker 3: ripped through New Zealand. We weren't prepared for it, as

1004
00:45:02,973 --> 00:45:06,893
Speaker 3: you say, and look in twenty twenty five, we're still

1005
00:45:06,893 --> 00:45:09,333
Speaker 3: trying to deal with it. So I eighty ten eighty.

1006
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:11,853
Speaker 3: Do you think this is the that this will help?

1007
00:45:11,893 --> 00:45:13,933
Speaker 3: Do you think the government's got the right balance of punishment,

1008
00:45:14,133 --> 00:45:18,053
Speaker 3: enforcement and rehabilitation across the whole kind of thing? But secondarily,

1009
00:45:18,573 --> 00:45:21,772
Speaker 3: we've got a big, big drug wave coming this way

1010
00:45:22,573 --> 00:45:23,933
Speaker 3: and it's already here.

1011
00:45:24,653 --> 00:45:28,093
Speaker 2: Fentanyl yep. I had some the other day after a procedure. Yes,

1012
00:45:28,813 --> 00:45:32,573
Speaker 2: so clarify that, ye legal, fentl yep. But there's also

1013
00:45:33,773 --> 00:45:36,613
Speaker 2: you know mdm A being cut with ventanyl that's coming in.

1014
00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:39,692
Speaker 3: But it's going to be here more and more and more.

1015
00:45:39,853 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 3: And we've seen what's happening in Canada with the fenty

1016
00:45:42,293 --> 00:45:45,732
Speaker 3: folding and just the streets of zombies just standing there.

1017
00:45:45,773 --> 00:45:47,453
Speaker 3: You can see it out of the United States of America.

1018
00:45:47,493 --> 00:45:48,533
Speaker 3: It's happening all around the world.

1019
00:45:48,613 --> 00:45:50,453
Speaker 2: Horrific. Yeah, So are we ready?

1020
00:45:50,573 --> 00:45:52,252
Speaker 3: We haven't even dealt with this. P Are we ready

1021
00:45:52,293 --> 00:45:56,093
Speaker 3: for a new drug wave? A very different one. It's

1022
00:45:56,133 --> 00:45:59,333
Speaker 3: a downer rather than an upper. But you know, what's

1023
00:45:59,413 --> 00:46:01,733
Speaker 3: the situation with drug enforcement in this country and we

1024
00:46:02,013 --> 00:46:05,733
Speaker 3: are you know, drug enforcement and dealing with that public

1025
00:46:05,853 --> 00:46:10,093
Speaker 3: health harm of drugs in this country going forward because

1026
00:46:10,093 --> 00:46:10,413
Speaker 3: we've got.

1027
00:46:10,373 --> 00:46:12,493
Speaker 2: More coming yep. Can we learn from where we got

1028
00:46:12,533 --> 00:46:14,573
Speaker 2: it wrong with meth and fetamine and get ahead of

1029
00:46:14,693 --> 00:46:17,933
Speaker 2: the fentinyl crisis that is here and it is fast

1030
00:46:18,013 --> 00:46:21,013
Speaker 2: approaching more, more and more. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1031
00:46:21,053 --> 00:46:23,173
Speaker 2: eighty is that number? Four nine two ninety two is

1032
00:46:23,253 --> 00:46:25,732
Speaker 2: the text number? Back? Very shortly. It is a quarter

1033
00:46:25,813 --> 00:46:26,172
Speaker 2: past two.

1034
00:46:27,573 --> 00:46:32,053
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

1035
00:46:32,213 --> 00:46:36,253
Speaker 1: afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

1036
00:46:36,053 --> 00:46:36,133
Speaker 15: Be.

1037
00:46:38,813 --> 00:46:40,773
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the

1038
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:44,013
Speaker 2: increased investment from the government into battling meth and fetamine.

1039
00:46:44,053 --> 00:46:46,413
Speaker 2: But the secondary question we all know methan fetamine is

1040
00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:49,493
Speaker 2: an absolute scourge in New Zealand and I think it's

1041
00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:51,093
Speaker 2: fair to say we're a bit slow off the mark

1042
00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:54,773
Speaker 2: and dealing with now internal Oh now, my fentanyl is

1043
00:46:55,013 --> 00:46:58,173
Speaker 2: coming in hot. Are we prepared and should we be

1044
00:46:58,253 --> 00:47:01,333
Speaker 2: looking seriously at trying to get a head of fentanyl

1045
00:47:01,493 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 2: before it takes hold. Oh, eight hundred and eight ten

1046
00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:04,613
Speaker 2: eighty is that number? Coour You just have to go

1047
00:47:04,653 --> 00:47:04,933
Speaker 2: on line.

1048
00:47:04,933 --> 00:47:06,813
Speaker 3: If you don't know what we're talking about, just look

1049
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 3: up fenty fold and this the zombies that are covering

1050
00:47:11,133 --> 00:47:14,933
Speaker 3: the streets of certain North American cities. Canada has been

1051
00:47:14,973 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 3: hit incredibly bad, incredibly badly by fentanyl and it just

1052
00:47:19,973 --> 00:47:22,293
Speaker 3: seems to take people's lives away from them and they're

1053
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:24,773
Speaker 3: just quite happy to stand on the streets swaying back

1054
00:47:24,813 --> 00:47:25,172
Speaker 3: and forward.

1055
00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:27,732
Speaker 2: It's like some kind of dystopian future. It's horrifying. Yeah,

1056
00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:30,652
Speaker 2: they're walking dead and it's coming to New Zealand. Yep,

1057
00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:33,893
Speaker 2: it certainly is. On the line? Is former police Minister

1058
00:47:34,093 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 2: Stuart nashta a chat about this kid? I Stewart, How

1059
00:47:37,653 --> 00:47:42,053
Speaker 2: are you so, Stuart Nash? Fentanyl?

1060
00:47:42,133 --> 00:47:43,613
Speaker 3: You've looked into this problem, haven't you.

1061
00:47:44,733 --> 00:47:46,813
Speaker 12: Yeah. So when I was Minister of Police very early on,

1062
00:47:46,973 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 12: so this would have been twenty eighteen, went across the

1063
00:47:49,413 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 12: United States and had a look at this and this

1064
00:47:51,253 --> 00:47:54,413
Speaker 12: is when the fenttal epidemic was in full force and

1065
00:47:54,813 --> 00:47:58,333
Speaker 12: right across North America. Actually, and we've never really had

1066
00:47:59,253 --> 00:48:02,253
Speaker 12: an opahoid problem in New Zone. There's been small pockets

1067
00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:04,173
Speaker 12: of heroin in the past, but never fent on in

1068
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:07,973
Speaker 12: the way that's hit North America and not really Europe.

1069
00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:12,853
Speaker 12: You know, Methan Thetaman is an absolute scourge. And what

1070
00:48:13,493 --> 00:48:15,333
Speaker 12: happened is when the five oh one, you know, these

1071
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 12: were the gangs. This is what was when Australia started

1072
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:22,373
Speaker 12: sending back all those really bad guys and the guys

1073
00:48:22,413 --> 00:48:24,813
Speaker 12: at the Commachios and the band Deitos and these Australian

1074
00:48:24,853 --> 00:48:27,733
Speaker 12: gangs got well established here. And what happened is they

1075
00:48:27,893 --> 00:48:33,533
Speaker 12: bought with them their international networks, professionalism and in a

1076
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:36,173
Speaker 12: much more mercenary way of doing business. And when I

1077
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 12: say doing business and talking about the importation and the

1078
00:48:39,013 --> 00:48:41,613
Speaker 12: distribution of betem Fetterman and that's when it really took

1079
00:48:41,653 --> 00:48:43,373
Speaker 12: off from this country, and we weren't prepared for it.

1080
00:48:44,213 --> 00:48:46,933
Speaker 12: I don't think we were prepared for the level of

1081
00:48:47,013 --> 00:48:50,333
Speaker 12: sophistication that these Australian gangs brought in and couldn't speed.

1082
00:48:50,373 --> 00:48:52,253
Speaker 12: We've paid the price for it. I think, please do

1083
00:48:52,413 --> 00:48:55,013
Speaker 12: a much better job now in terms of things are

1084
00:48:55,213 --> 00:48:59,093
Speaker 12: coming in. Look, we've never the reason why I'm slightly skeptical,

1085
00:48:59,173 --> 00:49:00,773
Speaker 12: that's going to hit our shores in the way that

1086
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:05,013
Speaker 12: it has Canada, for example, is because traditionally the New

1087
00:49:05,093 --> 00:49:08,813
Speaker 12: Zealand market, we've paid the second highest price the mythm

1088
00:49:08,893 --> 00:49:12,253
Speaker 12: theta mean that any country in the world outside of Japan.

1089
00:49:13,093 --> 00:49:15,413
Speaker 12: And so the gangs. You know, even when I was

1090
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:18,333
Speaker 12: Minister of Police, so we're talking six years ago now,

1091
00:49:18,693 --> 00:49:21,613
Speaker 12: they estimated the gangs were making five hundred million dollars

1092
00:49:22,293 --> 00:49:24,853
Speaker 12: out of meth atheta mean, so that's that's profit out

1093
00:49:24,853 --> 00:49:27,573
Speaker 12: of illegal drugs. And so there was never really a

1094
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:30,333
Speaker 12: business case to bring fentalel into this country because so

1095
00:49:30,493 --> 00:49:33,533
Speaker 12: much money was being made out out of metha theta mean.

1096
00:49:33,573 --> 00:49:36,253
Speaker 12: The distribution networks are well established here by the gangs

1097
00:49:36,333 --> 00:49:40,172
Speaker 12: the police. At one point, the gangs were far more

1098
00:49:40,213 --> 00:49:45,613
Speaker 12: sophisticated than the police in terms of distribution but also avoidance.

1099
00:49:45,653 --> 00:49:49,173
Speaker 12: The police are. You know, they're investing heavily now in surveillance,

1100
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:54,453
Speaker 12: and I think that the new money put them by

1101
00:49:54,493 --> 00:49:57,733
Speaker 12: the government is probably overdue but well needed. But the

1102
00:49:57,853 --> 00:50:02,133
Speaker 12: level of sophistication that the law enforcement agencies need in

1103
00:50:02,293 --> 00:50:05,573
Speaker 12: order to be ahead of these gangs is significant. So

1104
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:07,653
Speaker 12: the investment required is massive.

1105
00:50:07,693 --> 00:50:09,453
Speaker 20: But but the thing is here.

1106
00:50:09,453 --> 00:50:11,133
Speaker 12: There are two sides of this coin, right, So there's

1107
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:14,453
Speaker 12: a supply and there's a demand. So you go really

1108
00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:16,653
Speaker 12: hard on the supply. You hit these guys with the

1109
00:50:16,733 --> 00:50:19,533
Speaker 12: full force of the law. You know, you give the

1110
00:50:19,653 --> 00:50:22,813
Speaker 12: police the powers that they need to go really hard

1111
00:50:22,813 --> 00:50:24,653
Speaker 12: against these guys. And some of those powers are reasoning

1112
00:50:24,653 --> 00:50:27,133
Speaker 12: with Chiconian, but I backed them one hundred percent. But

1113
00:50:27,253 --> 00:50:30,013
Speaker 12: then there's a demand side. And I've always believed that

1114
00:50:30,733 --> 00:50:34,093
Speaker 12: that drug addiction should be treated as a as a

1115
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:36,253
Speaker 12: health issue as opposed to a criminal issue. And the

1116
00:50:36,293 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 12: problem is if we start locking a whole other people

1117
00:50:39,173 --> 00:50:42,893
Speaker 12: up with addiction problems, then you don't deal with the issue.

1118
00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:46,533
Speaker 12: We really do need to invest in addiction and mental

1119
00:50:46,573 --> 00:50:50,533
Speaker 12: health services if we were to get on and get

1120
00:50:50,613 --> 00:50:52,453
Speaker 12: this under control, but also get the buy in from

1121
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:55,973
Speaker 12: the community. And there've been some fantastic programs up north.

1122
00:50:56,013 --> 00:50:58,093
Speaker 12: There was one where the police worked very closely with

1123
00:50:58,293 --> 00:51:01,853
Speaker 12: the DHB and it worked, had great success, but it

1124
00:51:01,973 --> 00:51:04,173
Speaker 12: sort of didn't get rolled out across the country unfortunately.

1125
00:51:04,613 --> 00:51:07,533
Speaker 3: So Fentanela is already in New Zealand and being fixed.

1126
00:51:07,613 --> 00:51:11,333
Speaker 3: And were you know you hear about that people you

1127
00:51:11,413 --> 00:51:14,613
Speaker 3: know shoving it into two M D M A and such,

1128
00:51:14,653 --> 00:51:18,293
Speaker 3: and obviously there's huge risks with that. Whereas do you

1129
00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:21,053
Speaker 3: know how that's getting into the country, with what the

1130
00:51:21,253 --> 00:51:25,173
Speaker 3: pathways to fentanyl being, you know, arriving in New Zealand.

1131
00:51:26,133 --> 00:51:28,172
Speaker 12: Well, I hear you saying that, but as far as

1132
00:51:28,213 --> 00:51:31,333
Speaker 12: I'm aware, including I'm wrong in this, it's not showing

1133
00:51:31,373 --> 00:51:33,813
Speaker 12: up in the wastewater. So what happens is police test

1134
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:40,333
Speaker 12: wastewater continuously, so we know from all the wastewater testing

1135
00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:42,933
Speaker 12: we're the methm fetomen there's who's using it how much

1136
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:45,053
Speaker 12: that that's why we can say, you know, East Coast

1137
00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:47,693
Speaker 12: and North Island, Northland, for example, there's a lot of

1138
00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 12: mythm fetomine in Moost communities. It's why we can say

1139
00:51:50,853 --> 00:51:53,373
Speaker 12: down and crost Use there's a lot of ketamine. Because

1140
00:51:53,573 --> 00:51:58,252
Speaker 12: we the police have and the scientists have, are really

1141
00:51:58,293 --> 00:52:00,733
Speaker 12: good facts around around what's coming. And every now and

1142
00:52:00,853 --> 00:52:05,493
Speaker 12: again there was intentally did show up and I remember

1143
00:52:05,973 --> 00:52:07,933
Speaker 12: back in the day we was always a bit of

1144
00:52:07,933 --> 00:52:09,493
Speaker 12: a mystery to us and in the end we thought

1145
00:52:09,533 --> 00:52:11,933
Speaker 12: it was probably a medical clinic cleaning out at supply

1146
00:52:13,373 --> 00:52:15,493
Speaker 12: or something along those lines. But I'm not aware. But

1147
00:52:15,813 --> 00:52:18,853
Speaker 12: if I'm wrong on this of of fentanyl showing up

1148
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:21,893
Speaker 12: in the wastewater and all these illegal drugs show up

1149
00:52:21,973 --> 00:52:24,413
Speaker 12: and the wastewater in a way which is which is

1150
00:52:24,493 --> 00:52:27,813
Speaker 12: quite specific and very detailed. So if you know, if

1151
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:30,292
Speaker 12: you've heard that methin fetamen is coming, and the only

1152
00:52:30,373 --> 00:52:32,853
Speaker 12: way we would know that the level and the scale

1153
00:52:32,893 --> 00:52:35,053
Speaker 12: of it is through this wastewater testing.

1154
00:52:35,133 --> 00:52:38,373
Speaker 3: So well, it's coming, it has been coming. I haven't

1155
00:52:38,373 --> 00:52:41,173
Speaker 3: seen wastewater fentanyl showing up, but it has been found

1156
00:52:41,293 --> 00:52:44,133
Speaker 3: in drug testing at festivals and stuff. You know when

1157
00:52:44,173 --> 00:52:47,133
Speaker 3: that when you know someone takes their their drugs up,

1158
00:52:47,493 --> 00:52:50,493
Speaker 3: you know, you know, drug people, the people that drug

1159
00:52:50,573 --> 00:52:54,053
Speaker 3: dealers aren't the most what you call it above board opparatus,

1160
00:52:54,733 --> 00:52:57,453
Speaker 3: so they'll fix it with whatever whatever it takes to

1161
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,973
Speaker 3: sell the the product cheaply. But you know, you don't

1162
00:53:00,973 --> 00:53:03,173
Speaker 3: know if that fentanyl that has been used in that situation,

1163
00:53:03,333 --> 00:53:05,453
Speaker 3: or if it's just one particular person who has access

1164
00:53:05,493 --> 00:53:07,973
Speaker 3: to the fentanyl that is legally available in New Zealand,

1165
00:53:08,733 --> 00:53:11,533
Speaker 3: you know, and is buying it off of people that

1166
00:53:11,813 --> 00:53:14,733
Speaker 3: are getting it legitimately, which is a lot of the

1167
00:53:14,773 --> 00:53:18,413
Speaker 3: way that the whole heroine the cooking up the heroine

1168
00:53:18,453 --> 00:53:21,813
Speaker 3: situation work back in the day, so we all know.

1169
00:53:21,893 --> 00:53:23,533
Speaker 12: By the end of summer, a federal is a problem

1170
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:25,453
Speaker 12: in this country, like you say, because of the festivals.

1171
00:53:25,733 --> 00:53:28,413
Speaker 12: And actually the drug testing is something that I pushed

1172
00:53:28,733 --> 00:53:31,133
Speaker 12: hugely when I was Minister of Police because I thought

1173
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:32,813
Speaker 12: it was vital. You know, if people are going to

1174
00:53:32,893 --> 00:53:36,373
Speaker 12: these festivals and taking pills, they need to know what's

1175
00:53:36,413 --> 00:53:37,813
Speaker 12: in them. And you know, there were some people who

1176
00:53:37,893 --> 00:53:39,413
Speaker 12: believe know what you do as you're bury hidden and

1177
00:53:39,413 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 12: sand because people shouldn't be taking legal drugs. Well, of

1178
00:53:41,453 --> 00:53:43,973
Speaker 12: course they shouldn't, but that's not dealing with the reality

1179
00:53:43,973 --> 00:53:47,973
Speaker 12: of the situation we find themselves in. If fentanyl is

1180
00:53:48,053 --> 00:53:50,652
Speaker 12: being mixed in with MDMA, and back in the day

1181
00:53:50,813 --> 00:53:52,813
Speaker 12: it wasn't vental, it was almost everything else has been

1182
00:53:52,853 --> 00:53:54,893
Speaker 12: mixed in with the DNA, so I think I think

1183
00:53:54,933 --> 00:53:57,813
Speaker 12: at Rhythm and Vines, I went up there one on

1184
00:53:57,933 --> 00:53:59,893
Speaker 12: the first of January, and all the pills they tested,

1185
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:01,732
Speaker 12: I think sixty percent of them weren't what they said

1186
00:54:01,773 --> 00:54:04,733
Speaker 12: they were. But if there is fentanyl being mixed with

1187
00:54:04,893 --> 00:54:07,453
Speaker 12: m DMA, then I have no doubt we will see

1188
00:54:07,573 --> 00:54:10,732
Speaker 12: deaths this summer at festivals. And I hope like hell

1189
00:54:11,533 --> 00:54:14,013
Speaker 12: that that we're that we're wrong and we're not seeing

1190
00:54:14,053 --> 00:54:17,093
Speaker 12: fentanyl cut in with md A in any in any

1191
00:54:17,173 --> 00:54:19,853
Speaker 12: sort of scale. If as mentioned the stuff that used

1192
00:54:19,853 --> 00:54:21,973
Speaker 12: to show up in the waste water, we it was

1193
00:54:22,133 --> 00:54:24,093
Speaker 12: so minimal we just thought it was perhaps a clinic

1194
00:54:24,133 --> 00:54:26,773
Speaker 12: getting rid of old stuff, right, because of course you

1195
00:54:26,893 --> 00:54:29,293
Speaker 12: can get ventanel. I mean, my son broke his leg

1196
00:54:29,653 --> 00:54:31,333
Speaker 12: seven weeks ago and he was given fentanyl.

1197
00:54:31,333 --> 00:54:34,693
Speaker 2: I've had ventanyl and I've had ventanyl.

1198
00:54:35,253 --> 00:54:37,853
Speaker 3: We're talking to Stuart Na's former Minister of place. I've

1199
00:54:37,933 --> 00:54:40,493
Speaker 3: had fentanyl after a procedure recently, and I can tell

1200
00:54:40,533 --> 00:54:44,613
Speaker 3: you it's it's one of the most euro euphoric experiences

1201
00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:46,652
Speaker 3: of my life. I was lying in the bed after

1202
00:54:46,693 --> 00:54:49,853
Speaker 3: the procedure on fentanyl thinking where can I get more

1203
00:54:49,893 --> 00:54:52,252
Speaker 3: of this? I was seriously, I was seriously thinking where

1204
00:54:52,293 --> 00:54:54,413
Speaker 3: can I get more of this? Once it wore off

1205
00:54:54,453 --> 00:54:55,693
Speaker 3: and I was sitting on the couch at home, I

1206
00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:58,013
Speaker 3: had a big went into a trough of some kind

1207
00:54:58,053 --> 00:55:00,373
Speaker 3: of deep you know, the higher you go, the lower

1208
00:55:00,413 --> 00:55:01,573
Speaker 3: you get afterwards.

1209
00:55:01,253 --> 00:55:01,933
Speaker 2: Kind of situation.

1210
00:55:02,133 --> 00:55:04,333
Speaker 3: But after that, I thought, I can see why people

1211
00:55:04,373 --> 00:55:05,933
Speaker 3: give up their entire lives for the stroke.

1212
00:55:06,653 --> 00:55:08,693
Speaker 12: Yeah, but what used to What happens in the States

1213
00:55:08,733 --> 00:55:12,493
Speaker 12: and Canada, North America is they regularly prescribe opioids for

1214
00:55:12,573 --> 00:55:16,613
Speaker 12: pain relief, and so people became and the numerous programs

1215
00:55:16,653 --> 00:55:18,653
Speaker 12: in this and such and vari intant documentaries, and what

1216
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:21,013
Speaker 12: happens is people do become adapted to it, and once

1217
00:55:21,533 --> 00:55:24,413
Speaker 12: the prescript runs out or the medical professional sysue now

1218
00:55:24,533 --> 00:55:26,453
Speaker 12: no longer need this in order to deal with the

1219
00:55:26,533 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 12: issue that you came to us for that they're past

1220
00:55:29,973 --> 00:55:32,373
Speaker 12: the point of addiction. But what happens in New Zealand

1221
00:55:32,613 --> 00:55:36,533
Speaker 12: is very very rarely people prescribed opioids over the counts

1222
00:55:36,613 --> 00:55:38,813
Speaker 12: for pain relief. So you haven't got the opportunity to

1223
00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:42,893
Speaker 12: become addicted. It's the reason why we haven't got a

1224
00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:46,133
Speaker 12: thingful the epidemic, because it's just not that the opioid

1225
00:55:46,773 --> 00:55:50,653
Speaker 12: prescription is not part of our sort of medical DNA.

1226
00:55:50,773 --> 00:55:52,293
Speaker 12: You do have it, like you say, in the situation

1227
00:55:52,413 --> 00:55:55,692
Speaker 12: you're in, like my son is, but it provides very

1228
00:55:55,773 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 12: quick pain relief and it is very effective at that.

1229
00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:02,293
Speaker 12: But you know, no doctor would have given you a

1230
00:56:02,493 --> 00:56:06,013
Speaker 12: one month prescription of fentanyl in order to manage pain

1231
00:56:06,213 --> 00:56:10,293
Speaker 12: after an operation. So you know there.

1232
00:56:10,973 --> 00:56:13,053
Speaker 2: Sorry to jump in there. We're we're really enjoying this

1233
00:56:13,213 --> 00:56:14,613
Speaker 2: chat and it's great to chat to you as a

1234
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:16,493
Speaker 2: former police minister who looked into this. So you're right

1235
00:56:16,573 --> 00:56:18,692
Speaker 2: to hold there. We'll play some messages and come back

1236
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:21,533
Speaker 2: with a few more questions. Fit sure, yep, brilliant. We

1237
00:56:21,573 --> 00:56:23,813
Speaker 2: are talking to Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police when

1238
00:56:23,853 --> 00:56:27,013
Speaker 2: it comes to getting ahead of the fentanyl crisis. It

1239
00:56:27,253 --> 00:56:29,453
Speaker 2: is twenty seven past two back in the monc.

1240
00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:36,493
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1241
00:56:36,493 --> 00:56:39,613
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on News Talk said, be good afternoon.

1242
00:56:39,653 --> 00:56:42,133
Speaker 2: So we're having a discussion about fentonel. It is on

1243
00:56:42,213 --> 00:56:44,573
Speaker 2: the back of the Metham Phetamine Investment or to battle

1244
00:56:44,653 --> 00:56:47,053
Speaker 2: the methan fedtamine crisis in New Zealand, but should we

1245
00:56:47,173 --> 00:56:49,732
Speaker 2: be doing more about fentanyl. A man who actually ordered

1246
00:56:49,773 --> 00:56:52,213
Speaker 2: an action plan on fentanyl back in twenty eighteen is

1247
00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:55,333
Speaker 2: Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police who's stayed on the

1248
00:56:55,373 --> 00:56:59,493
Speaker 2: line for us. Stuart, thanks again for holding on, Stewart

1249
00:56:59,493 --> 00:57:00,613
Speaker 2: A you there is.

1250
00:57:01,093 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 12: We've really got to give the police the tools needed

1251
00:57:03,493 --> 00:57:05,533
Speaker 12: to go hard on this and a lot harder than

1252
00:57:05,573 --> 00:57:09,733
Speaker 12: they are like a set infiscation, you know, don't have

1253
00:57:09,853 --> 00:57:12,573
Speaker 12: a limit on this. I think matches of the same

1254
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,893
Speaker 12: view as I am Mike Mitchell, the current Minister of Police,

1255
00:57:15,653 --> 00:57:17,933
Speaker 12: is you've got to give the police the tools to

1256
00:57:18,053 --> 00:57:20,373
Speaker 12: go really hard against these gangs. They make a lot

1257
00:57:20,453 --> 00:57:21,013
Speaker 12: of money.

1258
00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:21,093
Speaker 6: Out of this.

1259
00:57:22,453 --> 00:57:25,013
Speaker 12: They do quite a good job of protecting their assets

1260
00:57:25,213 --> 00:57:28,733
Speaker 12: and hiding it. Police often know who the people are,

1261
00:57:29,573 --> 00:57:33,653
Speaker 12: but often are constrained by you know, by the law

1262
00:57:33,693 --> 00:57:36,253
Speaker 12: in terms of what they could do. My view has

1263
00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,933
Speaker 12: just given them the powers necessary to go really hard

1264
00:57:39,293 --> 00:57:42,893
Speaker 12: and learn from what happened with regard to meth embetterment

1265
00:57:42,933 --> 00:57:45,293
Speaker 12: and the amount of money the gangs made. As mentioned,

1266
00:57:45,413 --> 00:57:47,893
Speaker 12: if federal is coming to the country, and I'm not

1267
00:57:48,093 --> 00:57:49,893
Speaker 12: convinced that it's because of the amount of money the

1268
00:57:49,973 --> 00:57:52,133
Speaker 12: gangs are making out of myth em betterment and the

1269
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 12: distribution networks and the international supplies they've got all sorted

1270
00:57:55,213 --> 00:57:57,893
Speaker 12: out that if it is, and we see it at festivals,

1271
00:57:58,333 --> 00:58:00,893
Speaker 12: then we will see deaths of that. There is no doubt.

1272
00:58:01,493 --> 00:58:03,653
Speaker 3: So as a former Minister of Police who has been

1273
00:58:03,693 --> 00:58:06,613
Speaker 3: across the criminal side of jug abuse. Is the carnage

1274
00:58:06,933 --> 00:58:10,573
Speaker 3: of uppers like myth namin something to be worried about

1275
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:13,893
Speaker 3: more than the you know, the carnage from downers.

1276
00:58:13,533 --> 00:58:16,173
Speaker 2: Like opioids like heroin and fentanyl.

1277
00:58:16,213 --> 00:58:18,773
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously there's personal tragedies in both, but I'm

1278
00:58:18,813 --> 00:58:21,453
Speaker 3: talking about the carnage for the wide of community that

1279
00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,213
Speaker 3: we see from mithan fetamine abuse.

1280
00:58:24,293 --> 00:58:28,053
Speaker 12: Now there are both bring their own level of carnage

1281
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 12: and destroy lives, Detroit families, Detroit communities. And I was,

1282
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:34,733
Speaker 12: I was in San Francisco recently, and you know, I

1283
00:58:35,133 --> 00:58:36,773
Speaker 12: used to love going to that place. I felt safe

1284
00:58:36,813 --> 00:58:39,133
Speaker 12: for New York and ID in San Francisco. You know,

1285
00:58:39,213 --> 00:58:42,893
Speaker 12: the opioid epidemic in the States is horrendous. And when

1286
00:58:42,893 --> 00:58:47,213
Speaker 12: I see President Trump going after these drug runners, you know,

1287
00:58:47,573 --> 00:58:51,773
Speaker 12: I actually back that stance. It is a real problem

1288
00:58:51,813 --> 00:58:53,413
Speaker 12: in the States in a way that I don't think

1289
00:58:53,453 --> 00:58:55,973
Speaker 12: we're aware. You know, all we see on the news

1290
00:58:56,173 --> 00:58:59,453
Speaker 12: is is the US Coast Guard or the Navy going

1291
00:58:59,533 --> 00:59:01,813
Speaker 12: after these boats that are that are running drugs from

1292
00:59:01,853 --> 00:59:06,413
Speaker 12: I think predominantly Columbia. But it is a you know,

1293
00:59:06,533 --> 00:59:08,573
Speaker 12: if anyone hasn't been to the United State so or

1294
00:59:08,613 --> 00:59:10,813
Speaker 12: hasn't seen the images of the carnas, this is creating

1295
00:59:10,813 --> 00:59:13,853
Speaker 12: across North America. Then go online and you'll find it.

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Speaker 12: Because there are more people that die every year, I

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Speaker 12: believe from fentanyl red doses. Now, these are the people

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Speaker 12: who die let alone, and we're addicted to this thing

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Speaker 12: than died in the Vietnam War. I think I've got

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Speaker 12: that stat right. If I haven't, it's pretty stark anyway.

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Speaker 12: So Americans are dying by the thousands from a from

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Speaker 12: federal overdoses and methan phetamine is you know, it's a

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Speaker 12: problem in Middle America. Of that, there's no doubt. But

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Speaker 12: like I said, I haven't heard of ventinyl coming into

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Speaker 12: this country. When I got back from the States, I

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Speaker 12: bought about fifteen Time magazines. It was the first time

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00:59:46,853 --> 00:59:51,093
Speaker 12: that Time magazine had ever devoted a single issue to

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Speaker 12: one issue, and it was the fentanyl and the opioid issue.

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Speaker 12: And I gave this to the police and my colleagues

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Speaker 12: and said, we've got to have a strategy in place

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Speaker 12: in case we see fenton in this country, even if

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Speaker 12: it's in the bottom draw, as soon as we see it,

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Speaker 12: we've got to pull it out and be ready for it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Stuart, really good to get your thoughts on That

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Speaker 2: is Stuart Nash, former Minister of Police, who actually drafted

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Speaker 2: an action plan when it came to fentanyl.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, seventy two thousand, seven hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty people in the United States died from overdoses involving

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Speaker 3: synthetic opiids opioids such as fentanyl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they cannot establish a foothold year there you go. Yeah,

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01:00:32,573 --> 01:00:34,093
Speaker 2: but what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty, So we're pumping an extra thirty million dollars

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Speaker 2: into battling methamphetamine. Do we need to get serious about

1324
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Speaker 2: the likes of fentanyl? And what are you seeing on

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Speaker 2: the ground? Really can get your views? Nine two nine

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Speaker 2: two is the number, Stuart Nashe Yeah, you can keep

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Speaker 2: it clean, good man.

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Speaker 10: You talk savy headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's no

1329
01:00:55,373 --> 01:00:58,933
Speaker 10: trouble with a blue bubble. Rain and hard work by

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Speaker 10: fire crews have significantly improved things on the ground at

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Speaker 10: Tongadodor National Parks near three thousand hectare fire locals evacuated

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Speaker 10: from Fucker Park village can return home. Two Tapati Marii

1333
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Speaker 10: MPs expelled from their party from today will stay on

1334
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Speaker 10: as Independence in Parliament. It follows weeks of publicly aired

1335
01:01:19,933 --> 01:01:24,253
Speaker 10: tension involving the MPs and the party president. The Prime

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Speaker 10: Minister is backing the Foreign Minister halting payments to the

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Speaker 10: Cook Islands over its lack of consultation with New Zealand

1338
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Speaker 10: before its signed to deal with China and once diplomatic

1339
01:01:35,093 --> 01:01:39,373
Speaker 10: ties restored. The PSA says asset sales don't work for

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Speaker 10: Kiwis or New Zealand, as the Prime Minister signals are

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01:01:42,613 --> 01:01:46,173
Speaker 10: wished to debate the idea before next year's election. This

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Speaker 10: after the Treasury warned Crown finances were unsustainable. State Highway

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Speaker 10: seventy three's reopened with speed restrictions near Canterbury's Kurwe where

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Speaker 10: a person was critically injured when a milk tanker and

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Speaker 10: a yute collided. This morning, Wellington advertising agency wins major

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01:02:03,973 --> 01:02:09,413
Speaker 10: government contract despite departure of six key staff. Read media

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Speaker 10: inside it at enzid Here we'll premium back now to

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Speaker 10: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: Rayleen.

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Speaker 2: So we are talking about the investment in the fight

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01:02:17,933 --> 01:02:20,253
Speaker 2: against Metham fetter Me, but we've also asked the question

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Speaker 2: should we be preparing for fentanyl that is ravaging many

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Speaker 2: parts of the world. And just on fintanyl, if you

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01:02:29,013 --> 01:02:31,253
Speaker 2: have ever tried it overseas, I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 2: you the no judgment. Obviously I had one hundred eighty

1357
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Speaker 2: ten eighty. How easy was it to get a hold

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Speaker 2: of Obviously it was and can be prescribed to patients

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Speaker 2: over in America. And if you've been to places in

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Speaker 2: Canada we have seen the finifold or the United States.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 2: number to call?

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Speaker 3: Or if you've tried fintanyl like I have. And when

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Speaker 3: I say try, it was injected into my veins during

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Speaker 3: some kind of procedure. Yeah, what procedure was that one

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01:02:57,853 --> 01:02:59,773
Speaker 3: it was for It was either going up the back

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Speaker 3: or down the throat. I can't remember which one it.

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Speaker 2: Was, right anyway, it was good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just because it's really interesting to hear people's experiences

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Speaker 3: of it, because you can totally see how the felon

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Speaker 3: folding happens, because you would give up a lot to

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Speaker 3: feel as good as you do on And just before

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Speaker 3: we continue on a side note for future reference on

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Speaker 3: the show around this is around a bunch of texts

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Speaker 3: we beginning. We don't support a participate in cancel culture

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Speaker 3: in any way. We will talk to whoever we feel like.

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Speaker 3: You can cancel whoever you want, but I personally don't have.

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Speaker 2: To follow anyone's rules. Again nicely said, So don't tell

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Speaker 2: me who I can can't talk to.

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Speaker 1: Boom.

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Speaker 2: We saw your teas and we don't care exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the sexus is I live in a Salvation Army

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01:03:39,693 --> 01:03:42,933
Speaker 3: social housing community. You're more likely to be picking a

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01:03:43,053 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 3: drunk or stoner up in the car park rather than

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Speaker 3: facing a potential attack from one of these crackheads, both

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Speaker 3: of which happen. They are very different types of drugs.

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Speaker 3: One type is lethal to the years that the other

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Speaker 3: is potentially lethal to the junkie and innocent people. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was the sort of the point I was trying

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Speaker 3: to make, because whilst it's horrible to see someone destroy

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Speaker 3: their life folded over with fentanyl or any of these opioids,

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Speaker 3: there's not so much run around attacking other people. Yeah,

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01:04:10,213 --> 01:04:12,173
Speaker 3: that's wide a social cost, because I don't know that

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Speaker 3: for a fact, that that's my perception of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it certainly destroys the life of the

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Speaker 2: people taking it in their families. But I think you're

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Speaker 2: right when you look at methamphetamine and the anger and

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Speaker 2: craziness that some people can be when they're on it,

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Speaker 2: it's a fair point. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? Good afternoon caller, Carrie.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 20: I'm very good?

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01:04:34,493 --> 01:04:37,173
Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thank you for calling? Your

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01:04:37,253 --> 01:04:39,373
Speaker 2: thoughts my thoughts?

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Speaker 21: Okay, So I'm just ring laying back.

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Speaker 14: So I had to have an ambulance called a few

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Speaker 14: months ago. When I was in the ambulance at the time,

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Speaker 14: I didn't realize had a pneumonia. So they were doing

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Speaker 14: all my obbos and stuff and need ambulance and then

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01:04:52,733 --> 01:04:54,173
Speaker 14: they said, lot, we'll give you some pain release, and

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01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:55,973
Speaker 14: they all of a sudden said they were going to

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Speaker 14: give me fentanyl, showed it away and say hang on,

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01:04:58,333 --> 01:05:00,973
Speaker 14: hang on a two bad things and they assured me

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01:05:01,053 --> 01:05:02,453
Speaker 14: every takes that on the fine, we're going to give

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Speaker 14: some fence and all my.

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Speaker 22: Partner was there and they said, hey, no, no, we

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01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:08,173
Speaker 22: do is not wright, So I questioned it.

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Speaker 21: I in the end, yes, they gave it to me.

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Speaker 23: Was the worst experience I've ever had.

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01:05:11,933 --> 01:05:15,053
Speaker 21: They gave me ten miles injected the fenel one to me,

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01:05:15,733 --> 01:05:18,893
Speaker 21: oh my god, just from from a medical perspective, they said, it's.

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01:05:18,773 --> 01:05:19,773
Speaker 22: Fine, there's no harm.

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01:05:20,093 --> 01:05:21,053
Speaker 24: I tell you what.

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01:05:21,213 --> 01:05:23,653
Speaker 22: For two weeks later, so after.

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Speaker 21: Effects of the sentinel was absolutely horrendous.

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Speaker 3: So what kind of affects did you experienced, Garry?

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Speaker 10: What? What?

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Speaker 22: So it was almost like arming. I'm going to say

1429
01:05:34,573 --> 01:05:36,813
Speaker 22: comdowns off drug. That's how bad it was for.

1430
01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:39,853
Speaker 21: Shak's nauser hot hole blushes.

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01:05:41,373 --> 01:05:44,013
Speaker 22: I saw about a week. I felt like I was tired.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it was absolutely My consent is the ambulance officers

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01:05:49,533 --> 01:05:52,133
Speaker 21: are actually they have it on board and they will

1434
01:05:52,213 --> 01:05:54,013
Speaker 21: give it a well you can ask for more.

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01:05:54,453 --> 01:05:56,173
Speaker 22: As I said, I was very reluctant.

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01:05:55,773 --> 01:05:58,613
Speaker 21: And wanted after they say, look it's fine, it's just

1437
01:05:58,693 --> 01:05:59,773
Speaker 21: ten miles, it's going to be fine.

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01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:00,453
Speaker 25: It's going to help you.

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Speaker 2: Did you talk to anyone after Carrie?

1440
01:06:04,173 --> 01:06:06,573
Speaker 3: Did you talk to anything anyone about these you know,

1441
01:06:06,773 --> 01:06:08,093
Speaker 3: side effects after effects?

1442
01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:10,293
Speaker 2: Did they give you an explanation?

1443
01:06:11,533 --> 01:06:14,733
Speaker 22: So I went to my doctor afterwards and explained to her, Now,

1444
01:06:14,813 --> 01:06:17,053
Speaker 22: so you just put it down to okay, something like

1445
01:06:17,253 --> 01:06:18,653
Speaker 22: bringing your body so your body stopped.

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01:06:18,773 --> 01:06:19,853
Speaker 9: So they just kind of.

1447
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Speaker 21: Faked it off as it stuff like an unknow and

1448
01:06:22,813 --> 01:06:25,173
Speaker 21: drug and it just called it sometimes but nothing was

1449
01:06:25,213 --> 01:06:27,933
Speaker 21: done because you find now and you're fine my concerns.

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01:06:28,373 --> 01:06:29,093
Speaker 19: I wasn't fine.

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01:06:29,133 --> 01:06:32,253
Speaker 22: It took a few weeks so years, that's freely people

1452
01:06:32,293 --> 01:06:33,653
Speaker 22: on pain on an ambulance.

1453
01:06:33,373 --> 01:06:34,013
Speaker 2: How did you feel?

1454
01:06:34,093 --> 01:06:36,173
Speaker 3: How did you feel when you were when when the

1455
01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:38,573
Speaker 3: fentanyl was in your system, you know, when it was

1456
01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:39,613
Speaker 3: doing its pain relief.

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Speaker 22: Do you know what when I suppose with them five

1458
01:06:43,573 --> 01:06:47,733
Speaker 22: seconds of them giving it to me, I felt like

1459
01:06:47,973 --> 01:06:50,493
Speaker 22: my arms were swaying and my head was doing red

1460
01:06:50,613 --> 01:06:52,333
Speaker 22: movements that I felt like my mouth was talking but

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01:06:52,493 --> 01:06:54,893
Speaker 22: nothing was coming out. Well, I actually thought I was

1462
01:06:55,053 --> 01:06:56,813
Speaker 22: not in control of my body.

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Speaker 19: Wow, that's how I.

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Speaker 3: Set It's interesting that these sort of these strokes have

1465
01:07:00,533 --> 01:07:04,133
Speaker 3: massively different effects on different people. But you know, like say,

1466
01:07:04,173 --> 01:07:07,293
Speaker 3: if you're given a fentanyl by you know, ambulance officers

1467
01:07:07,733 --> 01:07:11,373
Speaker 3: and then mon shuring you, it's obviously very different than

1468
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Speaker 3: someone taking it on the street.

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Speaker 2: But that's very interesting. Hey, thank you for sharing that

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Speaker 2: with us, Terry. Yeah, you didn't get any of those

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Speaker 2: sort of crazy side effects.

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Speaker 3: What I got was massive youphoria, absolutely intense euphoria Whilst

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01:07:24,253 --> 01:07:25,533
Speaker 3: I was on it, and then when I was home

1474
01:07:25,613 --> 01:07:28,773
Speaker 3: on the couch when it wore off, absolutely dropped off

1475
01:07:28,773 --> 01:07:31,813
Speaker 3: a cliff misery, right, just sitting there, just feeling like

1476
01:07:32,173 --> 01:07:35,733
Speaker 3: the world was just the most terrible place. So my

1477
01:07:35,933 --> 01:07:38,893
Speaker 3: experience of it was thinking and what I took was

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01:07:38,933 --> 01:07:40,573
Speaker 3: fentonel on a bunch of other stuff. When you went

1479
01:07:40,613 --> 01:07:42,093
Speaker 3: through what it was, when I say tock, it was

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01:07:42,173 --> 01:07:44,453
Speaker 3: given to me for a procedure, yeah, yeah, all legitimately

1481
01:07:44,493 --> 01:07:47,213
Speaker 3: it was injected into my bloodstream. You know, I didn't

1482
01:07:47,213 --> 01:07:48,573
Speaker 3: really know what I was getting at the time until

1483
01:07:48,573 --> 01:07:51,133
Speaker 3: I looked at what it was afterwards. But I just

1484
01:07:51,213 --> 01:07:53,413
Speaker 3: thought about it, this is the highest and the most

1485
01:07:53,493 --> 01:07:58,413
Speaker 3: euphoric experience of my life, followed by just absolute misery.

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Speaker 2: So I was thinking about those people on the street.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you're taking this drug, and if you

1488
01:08:03,373 --> 01:08:05,253
Speaker 3: get it, you can feel like the world is so

1489
01:08:05,413 --> 01:08:07,293
Speaker 3: good that you can just stand on the street fold

1490
01:08:07,373 --> 01:08:12,013
Speaker 3: it over like zombie. But once you're off it, you'll

1491
01:08:12,013 --> 01:08:14,973
Speaker 3: feel terrible. So surely and you look around and go,

1492
01:08:15,013 --> 01:08:16,772
Speaker 3: I've just been standing on the street like an absolute

1493
01:08:16,893 --> 01:08:17,933
Speaker 3: loser for hours.

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01:08:18,053 --> 01:08:18,773
Speaker 2: Just fold it over.

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01:08:19,013 --> 01:08:20,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, if you take some more, you're

1496
01:08:20,973 --> 01:08:22,853
Speaker 3: going to be back on this high. You know, those

1497
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:25,293
Speaker 3: are the drugs that cause a lot of problems because

1498
01:08:25,293 --> 01:08:28,652
Speaker 3: they become the cause and the solution to all your problems.

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01:08:28,732 --> 01:08:30,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a dangerous drug. Oh, one hundred and

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01:08:30,812 --> 01:08:33,173
Speaker 2: eighty ten to eighty if you have had it during

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01:08:33,213 --> 01:08:35,932
Speaker 2: a medical procedure in New Zealand, love to hear your

1502
01:08:36,013 --> 01:08:38,253
Speaker 2: thoughts to you. If you've tried it overseas, obviously we

1503
01:08:38,372 --> 01:08:40,253
Speaker 2: can hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1504
01:08:40,253 --> 01:08:42,812
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? It is caught to

1505
01:08:42,893 --> 01:08:43,892
Speaker 2: to tree. I'll just work out.

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01:08:43,893 --> 01:08:45,452
Speaker 3: I'm going to read this text from trash but it

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01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:48,293
Speaker 3: made me life laugh, so i'll i'll maybe sense of

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Speaker 3: that and read that out next.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

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01:08:56,053 --> 01:08:58,572
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

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01:08:58,692 --> 01:09:00,772
Speaker 2: They'd be for a good afternoon to you. So we

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01:09:00,853 --> 01:09:02,532
Speaker 2: are talking about fince andel. It's on the back of

1513
01:09:02,652 --> 01:09:05,253
Speaker 2: thirty million bucks going into fight methamfitamine. But do we

1514
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:08,532
Speaker 2: need to take fentanyl more seriously? And have have you

1515
01:09:08,692 --> 01:09:10,852
Speaker 2: been on it, whether it's a medical procedure or you've

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01:09:11,093 --> 01:09:13,452
Speaker 2: been prescribed it. Love to hear from you. What is it, like,

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01:09:13,572 --> 01:09:16,212
Speaker 2: how dangerous could it be if it gets a foothold

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01:09:16,253 --> 01:09:20,012
Speaker 2: in New Zealands. This text to Trish says, Hi, guys,

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01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:22,492
Speaker 2: I had it up one end and down the other two.

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01:09:23,293 --> 01:09:26,932
Speaker 2: That fintanel is lovely from proof. It's a great tax.

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01:09:29,372 --> 01:09:30,893
Speaker 3: It was put a lot better than that. But you know,

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01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:32,852
Speaker 3: I thought, I thought, you know, I'm just going to

1523
01:09:32,933 --> 01:09:35,013
Speaker 3: sense something one day back from holiday, so I've got

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01:09:35,093 --> 01:09:35,692
Speaker 3: to be on my best.

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01:09:35,692 --> 01:09:35,972
Speaker 2: Baby.

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01:09:36,692 --> 01:09:39,612
Speaker 3: I was recently in hospital for a colonoscopy and given fentanyl.

1527
01:09:39,652 --> 01:09:42,053
Speaker 3: I definitely can't say that I wanted more. I have

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01:09:42,133 --> 01:09:43,893
Speaker 3: a whole section of the time between the end of

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01:09:43,933 --> 01:09:46,213
Speaker 3: the procedure and speaking to the doctor and being transported

1530
01:09:46,213 --> 01:09:48,372
Speaker 3: to the recovery area that's missing from my memory. Though

1531
01:09:48,692 --> 01:09:50,572
Speaker 3: it took about a week for me to feel normal

1532
01:09:50,652 --> 01:09:53,412
Speaker 3: after the procedure, I was constantly feeling woozy and tired.

1533
01:09:53,772 --> 01:09:56,372
Speaker 3: When my son was recently working in North Carolina, he

1534
01:09:56,412 --> 01:10:00,333
Speaker 3: came across someone doing the fence he fold while driving

1535
01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:02,972
Speaker 3: down the street of a small town in America. Yes,

1536
01:10:03,053 --> 01:10:06,732
Speaker 3: so it's hurt everywhere, but yes, interesting. Those kind of

1537
01:10:06,893 --> 01:10:10,572
Speaker 3: opioid style drugs effect people in different different ways. But

1538
01:10:10,692 --> 01:10:12,972
Speaker 3: there's certainly. I think a lot of people have experienced

1539
01:10:13,013 --> 01:10:15,053
Speaker 3: that thing. When you come out of a procedure and

1540
01:10:15,133 --> 01:10:16,972
Speaker 3: you're the chattiest person in the world. You think you're

1541
01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:18,133
Speaker 3: the funniest person in the.

1542
01:10:18,133 --> 01:10:23,013
Speaker 2: World, and then you have to come down and all

1543
01:10:23,013 --> 01:10:24,133
Speaker 2: the professionals.

1544
01:10:23,652 --> 01:10:25,932
Speaker 3: Are like everyone comes out here talking this stuff feeling

1545
01:10:25,973 --> 01:10:28,372
Speaker 3: like they're amazing. Steve, welcome to show.

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01:10:29,572 --> 01:10:31,732
Speaker 8: Yeah, good advice here, very good.

1547
01:10:31,812 --> 01:10:34,253
Speaker 2: See you're on fentanel at the moment, mate, Well, not

1548
01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:34,972
Speaker 2: right now.

1549
01:10:35,053 --> 01:10:35,133
Speaker 19: I.

1550
01:10:36,612 --> 01:10:36,732
Speaker 9: Am.

1551
01:10:36,893 --> 01:10:41,293
Speaker 19: I am. Yeah, I'm on permanent ventaal patches because of

1552
01:10:41,372 --> 01:10:44,932
Speaker 19: my cancer. I started on twelve point five megs. I'm

1553
01:10:44,973 --> 01:10:46,973
Speaker 19: out to twenty five. I'm just about needy to go

1554
01:10:47,053 --> 01:10:50,412
Speaker 19: up to the next dose because it's not working that well.

1555
01:10:50,492 --> 01:10:50,612
Speaker 18: Now.

1556
01:10:50,692 --> 01:10:55,293
Speaker 19: I changed my patch every three days and I absolutely

1557
01:10:55,412 --> 01:10:59,052
Speaker 19: hate it. I'm middle of the night, I'm much sweaty.

1558
01:10:59,213 --> 01:11:01,532
Speaker 19: I've got to have showers two or three o'clock in

1559
01:11:01,572 --> 01:11:05,213
Speaker 19: the morning. If I don't change my patch within the

1560
01:11:05,492 --> 01:11:07,973
Speaker 19: space of a easy three days, within an hour or so,

1561
01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:12,572
Speaker 19: head starts pounding. It's just I'll tell you what. I

1562
01:11:12,652 --> 01:11:14,612
Speaker 19: absolutely hated. I wish I never got on to it,

1563
01:11:14,652 --> 01:11:17,293
Speaker 19: but I had a choice between that and staying on

1564
01:11:17,412 --> 01:11:21,812
Speaker 19: oxycodon and stuff which actually made me paranoid and and

1565
01:11:21,893 --> 01:11:23,892
Speaker 19: this stuff. And I'll tell you what, if you ever

1566
01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:26,293
Speaker 19: want to go on it, stay away from it. I

1567
01:11:26,412 --> 01:11:27,572
Speaker 19: absolutely hate it.

1568
01:11:27,893 --> 01:11:31,652
Speaker 3: Does it Does it bring you relief when when when

1569
01:11:31,692 --> 01:11:33,093
Speaker 3: the pictures patches are working?

1570
01:11:34,213 --> 01:11:39,333
Speaker 19: Oh it does absolutely absolutely, But it's a false relief

1571
01:11:40,572 --> 01:11:43,053
Speaker 19: that still in pain. But it's it takes that high

1572
01:11:43,213 --> 01:11:46,012
Speaker 19: edge off. It just keeps me in a My head's

1573
01:11:46,093 --> 01:11:48,293
Speaker 19: not always spinning. But we get to that stage where

1574
01:11:48,293 --> 01:11:51,492
Speaker 19: I'm just sort of burr and I sleep, and I

1575
01:11:51,612 --> 01:11:54,412
Speaker 19: fall asleep every couple of hours for half an hour

1576
01:11:54,532 --> 01:11:56,692
Speaker 19: or so, and I wake up and I'm good. Two

1577
01:11:56,772 --> 01:11:59,093
Speaker 19: hours later, I'm back to sleep again, you know. And

1578
01:11:59,213 --> 01:12:05,973
Speaker 19: it's just functioning as a mission. And it constipates you.

1579
01:12:07,093 --> 01:12:09,973
Speaker 19: You know, you appetite goes down the window. You just

1580
01:12:11,173 --> 01:12:11,892
Speaker 19: cure you what guys?

1581
01:12:11,973 --> 01:12:16,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that sounds like that sounds like such an

1582
01:12:16,492 --> 01:12:19,532
Speaker 3: incredibly challenging situation you're in, Steve, so you know, best

1583
01:12:19,572 --> 01:12:24,452
Speaker 3: witches to you and and and stuff. But does it

1584
01:12:24,572 --> 01:12:26,412
Speaker 3: what does it do with your mood at all?

1585
01:12:26,692 --> 01:12:27,933
Speaker 2: Does it does? Does does it?

1586
01:12:28,452 --> 01:12:30,612
Speaker 3: Does it bring a level levity when you when you're

1587
01:12:30,692 --> 01:12:33,253
Speaker 3: you know, first putting a new patch on at all.

1588
01:12:33,612 --> 01:12:37,012
Speaker 19: Ye, yeah, absolutely, From the first of a half hour,

1589
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:41,012
Speaker 19: that goes, oh this is good, you know, for about

1590
01:12:41,053 --> 01:12:42,893
Speaker 19: half an hour, and then all of a sudden it

1591
01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:47,772
Speaker 19: drops again. And yeah, it's just a sudden drop from

1592
01:12:47,812 --> 01:12:49,812
Speaker 19: half an hour. Can almost time it, you know, And

1593
01:12:49,893 --> 01:12:51,372
Speaker 19: I've got to have a sugar rush before I have

1594
01:12:51,532 --> 01:12:56,013
Speaker 19: it to kind of keep me functioning, you know. And

1595
01:12:56,452 --> 01:12:59,852
Speaker 19: that Yeah, it peaks and flows, you know what I mean,

1596
01:12:59,933 --> 01:13:04,333
Speaker 19: It's peaks and dips all the time. It's just I

1597
01:13:04,372 --> 01:13:06,253
Speaker 19: don't see how people get any pleasure out of it.

1598
01:13:06,333 --> 01:13:06,492
Speaker 16: You know.

1599
01:13:06,612 --> 01:13:10,253
Speaker 19: I used to do hard drugs years and this is

1600
01:13:10,333 --> 01:13:10,933
Speaker 19: nothing like it.

1601
01:13:11,612 --> 01:13:13,572
Speaker 3: What kind of hard drugs were you doing years ago?

1602
01:13:13,692 --> 01:13:17,892
Speaker 3: Were they ups and downers, both, all them, a whole lot,

1603
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:18,973
Speaker 3: you name it.

1604
01:13:19,173 --> 01:13:21,892
Speaker 19: I don't even think. I don't even think pretty much.

1605
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:26,932
Speaker 19: Are bar meth? You know, back in the daylight. I'm

1606
01:13:26,933 --> 01:13:29,532
Speaker 19: sixty two years old, you can they help. But it

1607
01:13:29,652 --> 01:13:32,092
Speaker 19: was back seventies and eighties, you know, the eighties and nineties,

1608
01:13:32,452 --> 01:13:36,053
Speaker 19: you know, going to festivals and sweet Waters and the

1609
01:13:36,133 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 19: lights of all the good concerts over the years. To

1610
01:13:38,253 --> 01:13:42,572
Speaker 19: imagine what it was like. Yeah, yeah, it's a different euphoria.

1611
01:13:42,692 --> 01:13:45,293
Speaker 19: But now it's just it's a false euphoria.

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01:13:46,053 --> 01:13:49,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sorry to hear that, Steve. And as

1613
01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:52,093
Speaker 3: I said before, absolutely all the best thoughts go out

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01:13:52,093 --> 01:13:52,213
Speaker 3: to you.

1615
01:13:52,372 --> 01:13:54,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and

1616
01:13:54,612 --> 01:13:57,613
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call your fentanel experiences.

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01:13:58,013 --> 01:14:00,012
Speaker 2: We're going to play some messages, but begged very surely

1618
01:14:00,053 --> 01:14:01,732
Speaker 2: it's eight to three, the.

1619
01:14:01,812 --> 01:14:04,333
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1620
01:14:04,412 --> 01:14:08,372
Speaker 1: the way. Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

1621
01:14:09,732 --> 01:14:11,572
Speaker 2: News Talks here, b We're going to carry this on

1622
01:14:11,652 --> 01:14:13,532
Speaker 2: because we've got a whole bunch of people who want

1623
01:14:13,532 --> 01:14:15,293
Speaker 2: to have a chat about their experiences when it comes

1624
01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:17,772
Speaker 2: to fentanyl. But a few texts to the News.

1625
01:14:18,013 --> 01:14:20,852
Speaker 3: I've had fincannyl after surgery, says Kim several times and

1626
01:14:20,933 --> 01:14:23,452
Speaker 3: no issues. Also had kidamine at the same time. I

1627
01:14:23,532 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 3: have no desire to continue. I have a knee surgery

1628
01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:27,612
Speaker 3: coming up and we'll have the same I can't take

1629
01:14:27,652 --> 01:14:29,493
Speaker 3: tramadol or morphine.

1630
01:14:30,093 --> 01:14:30,133
Speaker 19: That.

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01:14:30,372 --> 01:14:31,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, traveadol was an interesting one.

1632
01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:32,492
Speaker 11: You know.

1633
01:14:32,612 --> 01:14:34,492
Speaker 3: I've talked four on the show about how I had

1634
01:14:34,732 --> 01:14:36,452
Speaker 3: was on tramidol for a very long time, and they

1635
01:14:36,812 --> 01:14:38,652
Speaker 3: became addicted to it and it was difficult to get off.

1636
01:14:38,692 --> 01:14:42,093
Speaker 2: It's pretty good stuff, this one. It's no doubt about

1637
01:14:42,093 --> 01:14:44,053
Speaker 2: it telling what it's good stuff until you've got to

1638
01:14:44,053 --> 01:14:44,652
Speaker 2: stop taking it.

1639
01:14:44,853 --> 01:14:45,013
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:14:45,093 --> 01:14:47,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't sound like a good experience, that last part.

1641
01:14:48,053 --> 01:14:49,852
Speaker 2: This is good ticks here. I was giving FINITL when

1642
01:14:49,893 --> 01:14:52,532
Speaker 2: I set my arm in a small New Zealand hospital

1643
01:14:52,572 --> 01:14:55,613
Speaker 2: where there was no anesthesia. It was the most distressing

1644
01:14:55,692 --> 01:14:59,532
Speaker 2: episode ever. I thought I was dying never ever again.

1645
01:14:59,652 --> 01:15:04,013
Speaker 2: That's from Ross, so very different experiences here. Right, We're

1646
01:15:04,013 --> 01:15:06,333
Speaker 2: going to carry this on because so many people want

1647
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,173
Speaker 2: to have a chat and keen on your experiences. Oh

1648
01:15:08,412 --> 01:15:10,412
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to send

1649
01:15:10,452 --> 01:15:12,612
Speaker 2: a text, you more than welcome. Nine two ninety two.

1650
01:15:12,652 --> 01:15:14,692
Speaker 2: We'll get to a few more of those very shortly.

1651
01:15:15,572 --> 01:15:18,412
Speaker 2: But new Sport and weather is fast approaching. Really good

1652
01:15:18,412 --> 01:15:19,973
Speaker 2: to have your company is always hope you're having a

1653
01:15:20,053 --> 01:15:23,412
Speaker 2: good Monday afternoon. Say right here, you're listening to matt

1654
01:15:23,612 --> 01:15:25,772
Speaker 2: and Tyler will be back very surely.

1655
01:15:30,213 --> 01:15:34,492
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1656
01:15:34,772 --> 01:15:38,293
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

1657
01:15:38,933 --> 01:15:41,133
Speaker 2: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program at

1658
01:15:41,173 --> 01:15:43,812
Speaker 2: six past three. So we've carried on our discussion about

1659
01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:46,892
Speaker 2: fentanyl because we had full boards and so many people

1660
01:15:46,973 --> 01:15:49,692
Speaker 2: texting through A nine two ninety two. The conversation started

1661
01:15:50,093 --> 01:15:52,293
Speaker 2: on the back of the thirty million dollar investment to

1662
01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:55,093
Speaker 2: fight methamphetamine, but more and more people are coming through

1663
01:15:55,772 --> 01:15:58,892
Speaker 2: on the dangers of something like fentanyl and the reaction

1664
01:15:59,053 --> 01:16:02,612
Speaker 2: they've had when they were prescribed or given fentanyl in

1665
01:16:02,692 --> 01:16:03,172
Speaker 2: the hospital.

1666
01:16:03,412 --> 01:16:05,932
Speaker 3: Yes, so look it up online if if you're interested.

1667
01:16:06,173 --> 01:16:10,173
Speaker 3: The Fenti folding, that's a rife and the likes of

1668
01:16:10,293 --> 01:16:15,653
Speaker 3: Vancouver in Canada, and San Francisco and parts of California

1669
01:16:15,732 --> 01:16:17,853
Speaker 3: as well, you know, other parts of California.

1670
01:16:18,253 --> 01:16:19,612
Speaker 2: It's it's horrible to see.

1671
01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:24,253
Speaker 3: These these fentanyl addicts just bent over. There's there's an

1672
01:16:24,612 --> 01:16:27,452
Speaker 3: our boss, Will was telling us about an advertising campaign

1673
01:16:27,492 --> 01:16:29,732
Speaker 3: that he saw in Canada, which was what was that

1674
01:16:29,893 --> 01:16:31,133
Speaker 3: was don't get bent for the fence.

1675
01:16:31,372 --> 01:16:33,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a PSA from the government, which is

1676
01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:34,732
Speaker 2: a nice line.

1677
01:16:34,812 --> 01:16:37,333
Speaker 3: But because you just folded and half standing, you've got

1678
01:16:37,333 --> 01:16:39,053
Speaker 3: to see it. These people are on their feet, but

1679
01:16:39,133 --> 01:16:42,213
Speaker 3: they just can't even bring themselves to stand up straight,

1680
01:16:42,692 --> 01:16:45,452
Speaker 3: so they just stand. It's the most terrifying thing. It's

1681
01:16:45,652 --> 01:16:47,772
Speaker 3: it's like the Day of the Triffids or something. It's

1682
01:16:48,093 --> 01:16:51,093
Speaker 3: like it's a dystopian future where people are just just

1683
01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:54,173
Speaker 3: standing there, the humans, but they're just more like plant life.

1684
01:16:54,253 --> 01:16:56,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like out of a horror movie, no

1685
01:16:56,173 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 2: doubt about it. But I won't if they won't hassle you,

1686
01:16:58,893 --> 01:17:00,973
Speaker 2: they won't do anything to you. You can walk through them.

1687
01:17:01,013 --> 01:17:03,532
Speaker 3: And there's tourists going down for have a lot, which

1688
01:17:03,572 --> 01:17:05,652
Speaker 3: is which is horrific when you get a situation where

1689
01:17:06,372 --> 01:17:11,693
Speaker 3: humans are just becoming so so just you know, disconnected

1690
01:17:11,732 --> 01:17:13,053
Speaker 3: from reality that they're just standing there.

1691
01:17:13,053 --> 01:17:14,692
Speaker 2: They don't even care if you come and look at them. Yeah,

1692
01:17:14,772 --> 01:17:16,572
Speaker 2: it's like a black mirror episode, isn't it. Oh eight

1693
01:17:16,572 --> 01:17:19,253
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been prescribed

1694
01:17:19,333 --> 01:17:21,732
Speaker 2: or I had fentanyl, I had to go for you,

1695
01:17:21,893 --> 01:17:23,333
Speaker 2: and are you're worried about it taking hold?

1696
01:17:23,333 --> 01:17:25,333
Speaker 3: Here in New Zealand, the Stick says my father had

1697
01:17:25,412 --> 01:17:28,093
Speaker 3: FENTONYL mixed with oxy after his bypass surgery. He was

1698
01:17:28,133 --> 01:17:31,612
Speaker 3: incredibly high all the time. An HDU nurse called me

1699
01:17:31,732 --> 01:17:34,213
Speaker 3: earlier early one morning and said he was demanding to

1700
01:17:34,253 --> 01:17:36,213
Speaker 3: talk to me. The first thing he asked me was

1701
01:17:36,213 --> 01:17:38,932
Speaker 3: whether he was alive or dead. I had to convince

1702
01:17:39,053 --> 01:17:40,333
Speaker 3: him for a while that he wasn't dead.

1703
01:17:40,652 --> 01:17:41,333
Speaker 2: It was horrible.

1704
01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:43,852
Speaker 3: He couldn't remember anything really after he went off it.

1705
01:17:44,213 --> 01:17:46,012
Speaker 3: It took him weeks to get back to normal.

1706
01:17:46,732 --> 01:17:48,732
Speaker 2: Well, if you have to convince someone that's still alive,

1707
01:17:48,812 --> 01:17:50,173
Speaker 2: I mean, that's quite full noise.

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01:17:50,372 --> 01:17:50,572
Speaker 25: Yeah.

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01:17:50,853 --> 01:17:52,452
Speaker 3: Well, I was talking to someone who had had a

1710
01:17:53,093 --> 01:17:55,532
Speaker 3: kidamine experience and he told me he didn't know if

1711
01:17:55,532 --> 01:17:59,093
Speaker 3: he was walking up or downstairs. So if you're if

1712
01:17:59,133 --> 01:18:01,772
Speaker 3: you're walking downstairs or upstairs and you can't tell the

1713
01:18:01,772 --> 01:18:06,253
Speaker 3: difference between up or downstairs, Yeah, that's a disconnection from

1714
01:18:06,293 --> 01:18:08,612
Speaker 3: reality and a recipeed to fall down some stairs.

1715
01:18:08,692 --> 01:18:10,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, or fall up stairs.

1716
01:18:12,053 --> 01:18:13,892
Speaker 3: It's always better to fall upstairs than downstairs.

1717
01:18:13,973 --> 01:18:17,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said that's your PSA. Bruce. You want to

1718
01:18:17,452 --> 01:18:19,253
Speaker 2: have a chat about your wife's experience in Canada.

1719
01:18:20,253 --> 01:18:22,333
Speaker 25: Yeah, she was maybe there on horribly with one of

1720
01:18:22,412 --> 01:18:25,412
Speaker 25: her girlfriends, and she went to one part of Vancouver

1721
01:18:25,532 --> 01:18:28,452
Speaker 25: and when she came home, she told me she'd seen

1722
01:18:28,532 --> 01:18:30,372
Speaker 25: these people that were drugged out.

1723
01:18:30,412 --> 01:18:30,532
Speaker 19: You know.

1724
01:18:30,652 --> 01:18:31,333
Speaker 25: I said, what do you mean.

1725
01:18:31,412 --> 01:18:33,772
Speaker 16: She goes, oh, the ben home and I said, now,

1726
01:18:33,772 --> 01:18:34,372
Speaker 16: are you kidding me?

1727
01:18:34,452 --> 01:18:35,812
Speaker 25: And she goes, no, no, seriously.

1728
01:18:36,053 --> 01:18:38,732
Speaker 16: She showed me some photos of people she'd seen and

1729
01:18:38,812 --> 01:18:40,812
Speaker 16: they were doubled over walking along the street with the

1730
01:18:40,893 --> 01:18:43,612
Speaker 16: head towards the ground, and I was going, it doesn't

1731
01:18:43,652 --> 01:18:46,852
Speaker 16: look right. But she said, there's a huge problem in Vancouver,

1732
01:18:47,173 --> 01:18:51,612
Speaker 16: as you've already said on air, with fentanyl, not just

1733
01:18:51,692 --> 01:18:54,412
Speaker 16: the US, and it's if that comes here, will be

1734
01:18:54,492 --> 01:18:57,133
Speaker 16: in the same boat basically. So I think we need

1735
01:18:57,572 --> 01:19:02,093
Speaker 16: the government needs to fight the possibility of fentanyl coming

1736
01:19:02,133 --> 01:19:03,812
Speaker 16: in here as well as the other drugs that are

1737
01:19:03,853 --> 01:19:04,652
Speaker 16: on a fight as well.

1738
01:19:05,973 --> 01:19:08,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, we were talking to former

1739
01:19:08,732 --> 01:19:10,933
Speaker 3: Police Minister Stuart Nash before and he was saying that

1740
01:19:11,053 --> 01:19:14,652
Speaker 3: the cash incentives for the exams, for the exams for

1741
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:17,213
Speaker 3: the the My son just finished his exams, so they've

1742
01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:17,812
Speaker 3: got that in my head.

1743
01:19:17,853 --> 01:19:20,452
Speaker 2: He texted me anyway, Congress, by the way, for the

1744
01:19:20,572 --> 01:19:22,612
Speaker 2: gangs exams.

1745
01:19:22,692 --> 01:19:26,173
Speaker 3: Gangs isn't quite the same here at the moment because

1746
01:19:26,213 --> 01:19:29,732
Speaker 3: we're the second most valuable market for meth and fetamine

1747
01:19:29,893 --> 01:19:33,492
Speaker 3: in the world. Bruce, the world just just think it's

1748
01:19:33,612 --> 01:19:35,892
Speaker 3: like a premium place to bring it in. It's worth

1749
01:19:36,013 --> 01:19:38,133
Speaker 3: so much risk because we'll pay such an insane amount

1750
01:19:38,173 --> 01:19:41,092
Speaker 3: of money for it. Not not not the way with fentanyl,

1751
01:19:42,053 --> 01:19:45,093
Speaker 3: but but but we don't we don't want want it here,

1752
01:19:45,612 --> 01:19:47,412
Speaker 3: you know, And it feels I'm not sure what the

1753
01:19:47,452 --> 01:19:49,173
Speaker 3: stats are, but you know, back in the day, I

1754
01:19:49,492 --> 01:19:52,093
Speaker 3: grew up in Dunedin and heroin addiction used to be

1755
01:19:52,133 --> 01:19:54,933
Speaker 3: a really serious thing down there. But I feel like

1756
01:19:55,013 --> 01:19:59,053
Speaker 3: heroin addictions on on the way, so it would be

1757
01:19:59,213 --> 01:20:01,452
Speaker 3: it would be a punish of where that Canadian situation

1758
01:20:01,612 --> 01:20:01,973
Speaker 3: came here.

1759
01:20:02,532 --> 01:20:04,452
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your Bruce, appreciate it. It

1760
01:20:04,893 --> 01:20:06,333
Speaker 2: does worry me, and I know this is where it

1761
01:20:06,412 --> 01:20:09,893
Speaker 2: kicked off this conversation, but with myth amphetamine and I

1762
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:12,812
Speaker 2: think you were coming back from the UK and obviously

1763
01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:15,053
Speaker 2: came into this pea crisis, but I was in the

1764
01:20:15,133 --> 01:20:18,452
Speaker 2: South Island and you know the truth is it didn't

1765
01:20:18,452 --> 01:20:20,612
Speaker 2: really reach the South Island for for a long time.

1766
01:20:20,973 --> 01:20:23,013
Speaker 2: So we're kind of looking at it as as you know,

1767
01:20:23,093 --> 01:20:25,452
Speaker 2: little old South Island. What's yeah, the myth? What's this

1768
01:20:25,572 --> 01:20:26,132
Speaker 2: pea business?

1769
01:20:26,213 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 10: You know?

1770
01:20:26,532 --> 01:20:27,972
Speaker 2: How do you get ahold of this pea? And nobody

1771
01:20:28,013 --> 01:20:30,572
Speaker 2: could really get a hold of it would probably smoking urine,

1772
01:20:30,652 --> 01:20:32,932
Speaker 2: you asked yourself exactly. So I was a bit confused

1773
01:20:32,973 --> 01:20:36,852
Speaker 2: by that being a South Islander, but big of South.

1774
01:20:36,732 --> 01:20:38,492
Speaker 3: Island you might not be so confused about it. Just

1775
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:40,333
Speaker 3: in by the friends I grew up with Indonneeda.

1776
01:20:40,652 --> 01:20:44,333
Speaker 2: University was a good time. But that almost saved a

1777
01:20:44,532 --> 01:20:48,293
Speaker 2: lot of people. I think that I was hanging around

1778
01:20:48,293 --> 01:20:51,133
Speaker 2: with a university or they might have experimented with that stuff.

1779
01:20:51,173 --> 01:20:54,452
Speaker 2: Because so little was known of it that by the

1780
01:20:54,532 --> 01:20:56,572
Speaker 2: time we figured out it was a massive issue and

1781
01:20:56,692 --> 01:20:59,293
Speaker 2: quite scary, people left it alone for the most part.

1782
01:20:59,652 --> 01:21:03,612
Speaker 2: But I worry that the same might happen with fentanel. Right,

1783
01:21:03,853 --> 01:21:06,412
Speaker 2: that's so little is known about it, then unless we

1784
01:21:06,532 --> 01:21:08,372
Speaker 2: get on top of it, people will just try a

1785
01:21:08,372 --> 01:21:10,293
Speaker 2: little bit and then boom, you've got the fentifold.

1786
01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:13,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get bent for As they say in Canada,

1787
01:21:13,812 --> 01:21:15,772
Speaker 3: John says, hey, boys, I was in Canada last year,

1788
01:21:15,772 --> 01:21:18,412
Speaker 3: a small city in the middle of Saskatchewan, and I

1789
01:21:18,532 --> 01:21:20,372
Speaker 3: was blown away by the number of.

1790
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:23,092
Speaker 2: Cooked people on the street. I assume it was fentanyl.

1791
01:21:23,293 --> 01:21:24,852
Speaker 3: Now, I have traveled a lot and been to so

1792
01:21:24,973 --> 01:21:27,213
Speaker 3: many places in the world, but this was as bad

1793
01:21:27,293 --> 01:21:29,253
Speaker 3: as I've ever seen it. God help us if we

1794
01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:34,852
Speaker 3: become like this here cheers John. Canada is becoming known

1795
01:21:35,093 --> 01:21:39,492
Speaker 3: as the fentanyl capital of the world. You know, it's

1796
01:21:39,612 --> 01:21:44,012
Speaker 3: known for its beautiful forest, It's incredible landscape. It's trying

1797
01:21:44,053 --> 01:21:47,732
Speaker 3: to punish New Zealand with tariffs whilst getting punished by

1798
01:21:48,093 --> 01:21:52,692
Speaker 3: America with tariffs. What else I'll tell you what as

1799
01:21:52,732 --> 01:21:56,213
Speaker 3: a huge Dodgers fan across the world series recently and

1800
01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:58,572
Speaker 3: what the Dodgers did to the Blue Jays, there might

1801
01:21:58,612 --> 01:22:00,532
Speaker 3: be some people jumping on the fentanyl to deal with

1802
01:22:00,612 --> 01:22:03,692
Speaker 3: them the pain of that particular situation.

1803
01:22:03,893 --> 01:22:06,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said right. It is thirteen past three, eight

1804
01:22:06,933 --> 01:22:10,492
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've had experience with fintanyl,

1805
01:22:10,532 --> 01:22:12,412
Speaker 2: we want to hear at nine two ninety two. Is

1806
01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:15,093
Speaker 2: that text number back in the mo the news talk said,

1807
01:22:15,173 --> 01:22:17,933
Speaker 2: be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about fintanyl

1808
01:22:18,013 --> 01:22:20,532
Speaker 2: on the back of the investment to fight myth and fetamine.

1809
01:22:20,572 --> 01:22:22,412
Speaker 2: Do we need to do more about fincinyl O E

1810
01:22:22,412 --> 01:22:24,532
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that number to call?

1811
01:22:25,893 --> 01:22:29,692
Speaker 3: Tyler Matt Note Vancouver has decriminalized drugs from Doug.

1812
01:22:29,893 --> 01:22:33,133
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. I mean, that's

1813
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:35,372
Speaker 2: why it is such a problem in many parts of Canada.

1814
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:37,732
Speaker 2: Why don't we just add one hundred percent tariff on

1815
01:22:37,812 --> 01:22:39,293
Speaker 2: illegal drugs? That says Sarah.

1816
01:22:39,853 --> 01:22:42,093
Speaker 3: Now you're thinking, you see the problem with these drug

1817
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:44,452
Speaker 3: dealers is that they don't operate. You know, they're not

1818
01:22:44,572 --> 01:22:48,173
Speaker 3: doing their ID. You know, they just cannot be There's

1819
01:22:48,213 --> 01:22:49,973
Speaker 3: one thing I know about drug dealers. They cannot be

1820
01:22:50,013 --> 01:22:51,133
Speaker 3: trusted to do the right thing.

1821
01:22:51,253 --> 01:22:55,852
Speaker 2: How funny that Alex you had or friends had a

1822
01:22:55,933 --> 01:22:58,932
Speaker 2: pretty serious situation when it came to finanyl in the US.

1823
01:23:00,732 --> 01:23:03,692
Speaker 18: Yeah, very good friend of mine from San Diego. He's

1824
01:23:03,732 --> 01:23:07,372
Speaker 18: in the seventies now he lost the sun as Sam

1825
01:23:07,452 --> 01:23:11,012
Speaker 18: had an overdose because we're from drugs that were laced

1826
01:23:11,053 --> 01:23:14,132
Speaker 18: with sentinel. So absolutely broken.

1827
01:23:14,532 --> 01:23:16,973
Speaker 3: Well that's that's really rough and sorry to hear that.

1828
01:23:17,572 --> 01:23:18,772
Speaker 20: To do what what what?

1829
01:23:19,053 --> 01:23:22,132
Speaker 3: What drugs were were laced with fentanyl?

1830
01:23:23,213 --> 01:23:25,572
Speaker 18: I think it was just coke, right, I think it was.

1831
01:23:26,013 --> 01:23:30,612
Speaker 18: I think it was cocaine. And that's what they'll do. They'll, they'll, they'll, they'll,

1832
01:23:30,692 --> 01:23:34,652
Speaker 18: I'll cut it with sentinels and to save products. I mean, yeah,

1833
01:23:34,692 --> 01:23:36,892
Speaker 18: so that that harm was lying could kill your kids.

1834
01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:40,892
Speaker 2: That is so heartbreaking, Alex, so heart break. How old?

1835
01:23:41,013 --> 01:23:41,892
Speaker 2: How old was his son?

1836
01:23:42,853 --> 01:23:43,972
Speaker 18: And it's the early twenty.

1837
01:23:46,412 --> 01:23:49,372
Speaker 2: So you can see, I mean, the the absolute scourge

1838
01:23:49,412 --> 01:23:51,652
Speaker 2: of that particular drug in a place like the US.

1839
01:23:52,213 --> 01:23:55,612
Speaker 2: It's something that you know, we just cannot let take

1840
01:23:55,652 --> 01:23:56,732
Speaker 2: a foothold in New Zealand.

1841
01:23:58,093 --> 01:24:01,333
Speaker 18: Absolutely the comments have stamped it out. If they sign

1842
01:24:01,452 --> 01:24:03,932
Speaker 18: in the in the bottom drawer is absolutely valid.

1843
01:24:04,452 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your call, Alex, Yeah, thank you

1844
01:24:07,333 --> 01:24:10,173
Speaker 2: very much. Two N two is that text number. I've

1845
01:24:10,213 --> 01:24:12,293
Speaker 2: just looked up the fenty folding and it's like a

1846
01:24:12,372 --> 01:24:16,012
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson Thriller video. It's pretty accurate, actually very accurate.

1847
01:24:16,812 --> 01:24:19,772
Speaker 2: Kind of but uh, they kind of stay in the

1848
01:24:20,412 --> 01:24:21,492
Speaker 2: second part of the dance.

1849
01:24:21,893 --> 01:24:23,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're kind of like there in the warm down

1850
01:24:23,652 --> 01:24:26,013
Speaker 3: after the dance the whole time. Yeah, you know, when

1851
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:27,452
Speaker 3: you just sort of let it all out.

1852
01:24:28,053 --> 01:24:30,452
Speaker 2: I just did you watch that? This is off topic.

1853
01:24:30,532 --> 01:24:34,213
Speaker 3: Did you watch that reenactment of the Thriller dance from

1854
01:24:34,253 --> 01:24:36,093
Speaker 3: the video in Times Square the other day?

1855
01:24:36,253 --> 01:24:40,213
Speaker 2: No, back and watch the Thriller video. Yep, if you

1856
01:24:40,293 --> 01:24:40,852
Speaker 2: get a chance.

1857
01:24:41,253 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 3: What a fantastic video that was it's a different era.

1858
01:24:44,452 --> 01:24:47,892
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Yeah, he was ahead of his time. Michael Jackson, Mike,

1859
01:24:48,053 --> 01:24:51,013
Speaker 2: how are you? Yeah? Good, thanks, Tyler, how are you

1860
01:24:51,412 --> 01:24:53,092
Speaker 2: not too bad? Do you want to talk about fentanyl?

1861
01:24:54,133 --> 01:24:54,333
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1862
01:24:54,452 --> 01:24:57,333
Speaker 5: And hi Matt, you're back and better than before.

1863
01:24:57,772 --> 01:24:59,692
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

1864
01:25:01,013 --> 01:25:05,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, less hope. So anyway, Yeah, now I just did

1865
01:25:05,213 --> 01:25:08,492
Speaker 5: a little a quick bit of Google AI research, and

1866
01:25:09,532 --> 01:25:12,333
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a major risk of ventanyl coming

1867
01:25:12,372 --> 01:25:15,133
Speaker 5: into New Zealand due to the fact that it's such

1868
01:25:15,213 --> 01:25:16,892
Speaker 5: a cheap, cheap, cheap, dangerous.

1869
01:25:16,933 --> 01:25:17,013
Speaker 15: Ye.

1870
01:25:17,053 --> 01:25:19,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just saying that that point before. Yeah,

1871
01:25:19,853 --> 01:25:22,053
Speaker 3: that that the as we said a couple of town

1872
01:25:22,053 --> 01:25:24,213
Speaker 3: Stuart Nash was on before saying that, and we were

1873
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:25,652
Speaker 3: also saying just that there's not.

1874
01:25:25,812 --> 01:25:26,892
Speaker 2: The money in it for the gangs.

1875
01:25:26,973 --> 01:25:30,372
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So why you know, like I don't know,

1876
01:25:30,412 --> 01:25:32,013
Speaker 5: in the States, it's like a dollar a pill or

1877
01:25:32,053 --> 01:25:34,812
Speaker 5: something or five up to five bucks sometimes, And why

1878
01:25:35,133 --> 01:25:38,772
Speaker 5: is any gangster going to risk a fifteen year jail

1879
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:41,612
Speaker 5: sentence to make a to make a I don't know, well, well,

1880
01:25:41,732 --> 01:25:42,772
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars profit.

1881
01:25:42,853 --> 01:25:42,973
Speaker 19: Now.

1882
01:25:43,053 --> 01:25:44,412
Speaker 3: The thing about it, The thing about it, The thing

1883
01:25:44,452 --> 01:25:46,772
Speaker 3: about it, Mike is the way it gets in there is,

1884
01:25:47,253 --> 01:25:50,452
Speaker 3: as the previous caller said, if it is cheaper, then

1885
01:25:50,492 --> 01:25:53,173
Speaker 3: you can sell coke and you can cut fentanyl in there,

1886
01:25:53,293 --> 01:25:55,333
Speaker 3: so people think that they're getting some of the effects

1887
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:59,732
Speaker 3: of it whilst you know, making even more profit because

1888
01:25:59,973 --> 01:26:01,732
Speaker 3: that's what drug dealers do. They cut it with whatever

1889
01:26:01,772 --> 01:26:04,372
Speaker 3: they can that's cheaper, so they make more profits.

1890
01:26:05,492 --> 01:26:05,692
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1891
01:26:05,812 --> 01:26:07,732
Speaker 5: No, but I mean, no one's going to risk big

1892
01:26:07,853 --> 01:26:10,013
Speaker 5: jail scense and they're going to risk it for methamphetamine

1893
01:26:10,053 --> 01:26:10,692
Speaker 5: with all the big money.

1894
01:26:10,732 --> 01:26:14,173
Speaker 2: But anyway they might do that. I think they might.

1895
01:26:14,213 --> 01:26:15,372
Speaker 2: They're doing that right now.

1896
01:26:15,532 --> 01:26:18,333
Speaker 3: They're cutting it with MDMA, they're cutting it with cocaine,

1897
01:26:18,372 --> 01:26:20,253
Speaker 3: so so they're still making their big money, but they're

1898
01:26:20,293 --> 01:26:23,812
Speaker 3: making more money by putting fentanyl in the mix. And

1899
01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:29,453
Speaker 3: and you know that fentanyl that can lead to overdoses

1900
01:26:29,492 --> 01:26:29,812
Speaker 3: and debt.

1901
01:26:31,093 --> 01:26:31,333
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1902
01:26:31,572 --> 01:26:34,572
Speaker 5: But the thing with fentanyl is it's not one of

1903
01:26:34,652 --> 01:26:38,333
Speaker 5: these chemical drugs that you know, some gangsters can mix

1904
01:26:38,452 --> 01:26:41,853
Speaker 5: up in their garage or a laundry tub. It's manufactured

1905
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:45,412
Speaker 5: by pharmaceutical companies. You can't just make it yourself. And

1906
01:26:45,893 --> 01:26:49,533
Speaker 5: so obviously in the States, the pharmaceutical companies are being unscrupulous.

1907
01:26:49,572 --> 01:26:51,692
Speaker 5: They know of the dangers, but they're pushing it through

1908
01:26:51,732 --> 01:26:54,333
Speaker 5: the medical systems over there, the doctors and everyone because

1909
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:56,612
Speaker 5: they're making money from it. They're profiting, and it's just

1910
01:26:56,732 --> 01:26:59,612
Speaker 5: going over prescribing, I would say, and it's going out

1911
01:26:59,652 --> 01:27:02,173
Speaker 5: onto the streets and causing mayhem. So you know, same

1912
01:27:02,253 --> 01:27:05,053
Speaker 5: old story. Any business wants to make a profit and

1913
01:27:05,173 --> 01:27:07,812
Speaker 5: some of them can be unscrupulous and look at what's happening.

1914
01:27:07,933 --> 01:27:09,253
Speaker 5: So yep, that's my point.

1915
01:27:09,893 --> 01:27:13,093
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you very much, O, Mike. I appreciate it. Yeah. Oh,

1916
01:27:13,133 --> 01:27:15,293
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

1917
01:27:15,333 --> 01:27:17,772
Speaker 2: Plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety two

1918
01:27:17,812 --> 01:27:18,133
Speaker 2: as well.

1919
01:27:18,253 --> 01:27:21,053
Speaker 3: I recently broke a rib, loved kidamine and fentanel. Can

1920
01:27:21,133 --> 01:27:25,213
Speaker 3: see how they could become addictive. Tramadol was terrible, had

1921
01:27:25,293 --> 01:27:27,933
Speaker 3: crushing depression and hallucinations when I came off it.

1922
01:27:28,093 --> 01:27:31,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much for those texts coming through.

1923
01:27:31,572 --> 01:27:33,572
Speaker 2: We're going to play some messages, but back very shortly.

1924
01:27:33,572 --> 01:27:34,812
Speaker 2: It is twenty one past three.

1925
01:27:38,732 --> 01:27:42,092
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh, eight hundred

1926
01:27:42,093 --> 01:27:44,132
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1927
01:27:45,253 --> 01:27:47,772
Speaker 3: So here's a text on the fentanal situation. About five

1928
01:27:47,812 --> 01:27:50,093
Speaker 3: years ago, I had to have an emergency at appendix

1929
01:27:50,213 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 3: removal as I was in Homoro Hospital getting assessed before

1930
01:27:53,893 --> 01:27:56,253
Speaker 3: going to Dunedin for sugery. They said they were giving

1931
01:27:56,333 --> 01:27:59,293
Speaker 3: me some pain relief and it ended up being ventanyl. Honestly,

1932
01:27:59,372 --> 01:28:02,093
Speaker 3: what a feeling. Gave me a small insight into why

1933
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:05,213
Speaker 3: my brother who was a drug addict and passed away

1934
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:09,013
Speaker 3: from an accidental overdose prescription of illegal dry Sorry to

1935
01:28:09,053 --> 01:28:12,333
Speaker 3: hear that you vaun Chase that feeling for most of

1936
01:28:12,412 --> 01:28:15,612
Speaker 3: his life. Yeah, but that was my same experience on

1937
01:28:16,093 --> 01:28:20,732
Speaker 3: fentanyl was it felt so incredible. I could see why

1938
01:28:20,812 --> 01:28:24,892
Speaker 3: it destroys lives. Because if you're on it and your

1939
01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:27,692
Speaker 3: life is pretty horrific outside of that and you can

1940
01:28:27,732 --> 01:28:30,973
Speaker 3: feel amazing, you'd be wanting to be feeling amazing, And

1941
01:28:31,093 --> 01:28:35,253
Speaker 3: especially if you're one of these fenty folders in Canada

1942
01:28:36,013 --> 01:28:39,812
Speaker 3: or wherever, San Diego, San Francisco. You know, once you're

1943
01:28:39,853 --> 01:28:41,692
Speaker 3: not on fentanyl, you realize you've just been standing on

1944
01:28:41,732 --> 01:28:43,572
Speaker 3: the street folded over for an hour.

1945
01:28:43,612 --> 01:28:44,532
Speaker 2: Your life's not great, is it?

1946
01:28:44,973 --> 01:28:46,452
Speaker 3: You can see why they keep going for you can

1947
01:28:47,532 --> 01:28:50,293
Speaker 3: feel amazing. How the hell can people think there's no

1948
01:28:50,492 --> 01:28:51,692
Speaker 3: risk of fentanyl here?

1949
01:28:51,933 --> 01:28:52,333
Speaker 2: Crazy?

1950
01:28:52,652 --> 01:28:56,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Mark who rang before he did an AI

1951
01:28:56,372 --> 01:28:59,532
Speaker 3: search on it, so that's why he thinks that he

1952
01:28:59,652 --> 01:29:01,492
Speaker 3: just did a simple AI search on it and then

1953
01:29:01,572 --> 01:29:02,972
Speaker 3: his opinion was made up for him.

1954
01:29:03,013 --> 01:29:06,053
Speaker 2: So you need these days, right, Thank you very much

1955
01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:07,732
Speaker 2: for all your phone calls and texts on that, and

1956
01:29:07,812 --> 01:29:10,212
Speaker 2: we'll see where we get to on the old fentanyl situation.

1957
01:29:10,333 --> 01:29:13,053
Speaker 2: Clearly they're pumping a lot of money into methanphetamine, which

1958
01:29:13,133 --> 01:29:16,252
Speaker 2: is a good thing, but God help us if fentanyl

1959
01:29:16,293 --> 01:29:19,532
Speaker 2: does take a foothold here in New Zealand. Great discussion, right,

1960
01:29:19,652 --> 01:29:22,133
Speaker 2: let's get into this one because there's so many texts

1961
01:29:22,133 --> 01:29:24,532
Speaker 2: already coming through on this. So the story that kicked

1962
01:29:24,772 --> 01:29:27,012
Speaker 2: this off was about the Prime Minister and he needed

1963
01:29:27,093 --> 01:29:29,492
Speaker 2: some room in his garage. So this is on the

1964
01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:33,253
Speaker 2: back of the police gifts register, and on that register

1965
01:29:34,133 --> 01:29:36,812
Speaker 2: was a bike that Christopher Luxe and gifted to one

1966
01:29:36,853 --> 01:29:40,372
Speaker 2: of his diplomatic protection squad saying it would help him

1967
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:42,492
Speaker 2: clear some space in his garage. The officer tried to

1968
01:29:42,532 --> 01:29:44,732
Speaker 2: be polite and say, look, thank you for the offer,

1969
01:29:45,093 --> 01:29:48,333
Speaker 2: but that's really not needed. But the Prime minister convinced

1970
01:29:48,412 --> 01:29:50,492
Speaker 2: him to take the bike, which he did, and now

1971
01:29:50,532 --> 01:29:52,772
Speaker 2: he's got that extra space in his garage. So that's

1972
01:29:52,853 --> 01:29:56,372
Speaker 2: kicked off the discussion. But it's more about and we

1973
01:29:56,452 --> 01:29:58,572
Speaker 2: see it day in and day out in various streets

1974
01:29:58,612 --> 01:30:01,293
Speaker 2: and suburbs around New Zealand, putting things on the berm

1975
01:30:01,452 --> 01:30:02,652
Speaker 2: for free. That's right.

1976
01:30:02,812 --> 01:30:06,052
Speaker 3: So I just recently, well when I say recently, across

1977
01:30:06,053 --> 01:30:10,293
Speaker 3: the weekend, I was moving house, and you know, there's

1978
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:12,932
Speaker 3: there's there's things that fall in the in the middle

1979
01:30:12,973 --> 01:30:16,333
Speaker 3: ground between going to the dump and and well, it

1980
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:18,412
Speaker 3: actually becomes a point in you're shifting where you can't

1981
01:30:18,452 --> 01:30:20,253
Speaker 3: be bothered selling stuff. You just want to get rid

1982
01:30:20,253 --> 01:30:21,253
Speaker 3: of it, but you don't want to take it to

1983
01:30:21,293 --> 01:30:21,852
Speaker 3: the dump.

1984
01:30:21,893 --> 01:30:22,412
Speaker 2: So it's so good.

1985
01:30:22,452 --> 01:30:25,293
Speaker 3: I had three barstools that I'd pay quite a lot

1986
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:26,932
Speaker 3: of money for, but I just couldn't be bothered dealing

1987
01:30:26,933 --> 01:30:28,372
Speaker 3: with it, I mean shifting for ages, so I put

1988
01:30:28,412 --> 01:30:29,812
Speaker 3: them on the street with free or a good home.

1989
01:30:29,812 --> 01:30:32,213
Speaker 2: That would have been snapped up fast. They went really quickly.

1990
01:30:32,293 --> 01:30:32,452
Speaker 12: Yep.

1991
01:30:32,732 --> 01:30:35,692
Speaker 3: But what are the rules around that? So we'll just

1992
01:30:35,732 --> 01:30:37,932
Speaker 3: get to bottom of this. So I think it has

1993
01:30:38,013 --> 01:30:40,013
Speaker 3: to be something desirable before you can put it on

1994
01:30:40,093 --> 01:30:42,412
Speaker 3: the burm with free or a good home, and you

1995
01:30:42,492 --> 01:30:44,173
Speaker 3: have to be honest about it, so it can't be

1996
01:30:44,253 --> 01:30:45,772
Speaker 3: something that looks good but when they get it home

1997
01:30:45,812 --> 01:30:47,933
Speaker 3: they find out it was rubbish, because then you're just

1998
01:30:48,053 --> 01:30:51,012
Speaker 3: unloading the rubbish situation, and you have to be prepared

1999
01:30:51,133 --> 01:30:53,572
Speaker 3: to take it back off the You know, you put

2000
01:30:53,612 --> 01:30:55,173
Speaker 3: it on the burm, but if it hasn't gone by

2001
01:30:55,372 --> 01:30:59,932
Speaker 3: by by by I'm going to say five o'clock, right,

2002
01:31:00,293 --> 01:31:02,572
Speaker 3: maybe seven o'clock. You say seven o'clock, okay, then you

2003
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:03,572
Speaker 3: have to take it back inside.

2004
01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:05,572
Speaker 2: It's strict twenty four hours.

2005
01:31:05,732 --> 01:31:09,253
Speaker 3: You haven't discharged your responsibility on the items with the

2006
01:31:09,333 --> 01:31:11,213
Speaker 3: free to a good home out on the street. Yeah,

2007
01:31:11,372 --> 01:31:14,172
Speaker 3: that that hasn't been just your response hasn't been discharged.

2008
01:31:14,213 --> 01:31:15,412
Speaker 3: You've you've got an offer to.

2009
01:31:15,412 --> 01:31:17,572
Speaker 2: The community and if that's not taken, then that that

2010
01:31:17,732 --> 01:31:20,093
Speaker 2: becomes your responsibility again. If you know what I'm saying. Yep,

2011
01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:21,852
Speaker 2: I've got another one. And this is probably obvious to

2012
01:31:21,933 --> 01:31:23,692
Speaker 2: a lot of people. It's got to be outside your place.

2013
01:31:23,933 --> 01:31:25,933
Speaker 2: You can't drive down the street and just set it

2014
01:31:26,053 --> 01:31:29,012
Speaker 2: up outside somebody else's home. That's obviously. If I've seen

2015
01:31:29,053 --> 01:31:32,133
Speaker 2: that happen. I've seen it happen. Oh, you cannot do that. No,

2016
01:31:32,612 --> 01:31:35,093
Speaker 2: that is because then effectively what you're saying is, I'm

2017
01:31:35,133 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 2: not coming back for that. So no matter what happens,

2018
01:31:36,812 --> 01:31:37,492
Speaker 2: I'm not coming back.

2019
01:31:37,612 --> 01:31:40,412
Speaker 3: If you drive down the street with an unrepairable piece

2020
01:31:40,492 --> 01:31:43,492
Speaker 3: of white war like a dishwasher that doesn't work anymore,

2021
01:31:43,532 --> 01:31:45,333
Speaker 3: and you put it out in someone's boom for someone

2022
01:31:45,372 --> 01:31:47,452
Speaker 3: else's boom with a free to go home, you're a

2023
01:31:47,492 --> 01:31:47,852
Speaker 3: bad person.

2024
01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a taser in right. Oh, one hundred and

2025
01:31:49,652 --> 01:31:52,293
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What are

2026
01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:54,213
Speaker 2: the rules when it comes to putting free staff art

2027
01:31:54,333 --> 01:31:56,972
Speaker 2: out on the boom? Nine two nine two's that takes number?

2028
01:31:57,013 --> 01:31:58,293
Speaker 2: Headlines with railing coming.

2029
01:31:58,173 --> 01:32:04,053
Speaker 10: Up us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis

2030
01:32:04,253 --> 01:32:07,732
Speaker 10: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Residents can return

2031
01:32:07,812 --> 01:32:11,372
Speaker 10: home to Fucker Papa Village, but others should not visit.

2032
01:32:11,853 --> 01:32:16,612
Speaker 10: It's near Tongardu National Park's devastating fire, now covering two thousand,

2033
01:32:16,732 --> 01:32:20,932
Speaker 10: eight hundred hectares. Rain and minimal wind today have helped

2034
01:32:21,013 --> 01:32:25,852
Speaker 10: fire fighting efforts, bringing containment closer to Pati Maari MPs

2035
01:32:25,933 --> 01:32:29,813
Speaker 10: Tucketa Ferris and Maria man Or Kappakinghi say their expulsion

2036
01:32:30,173 --> 01:32:35,133
Speaker 10: by the party's National Council is unconstitutional. After weeks of

2037
01:32:35,253 --> 01:32:39,293
Speaker 10: public in fighting, Capekingi says she'll challenge and appeal the decision.

2038
01:32:40,253 --> 01:32:43,973
Speaker 10: Totong Is Marshall's Animal Park near McLaren Falls is on

2039
01:32:44,053 --> 01:32:47,053
Speaker 10: the market with two hundred and eighty animals and more

2040
01:32:47,093 --> 01:32:53,213
Speaker 10: than twelve million dollar price tag. Its livestock includes guinea pigs, calves, sheep, deer,

2041
01:32:53,692 --> 01:32:59,172
Speaker 10: giant African ostriches, Texas longhorns and Clyesdale Clyde's Dale horses.

2042
01:33:00,013 --> 01:33:03,973
Speaker 10: The Employment Relations Authorities agreed to facilitate bargaining between the

2043
01:33:04,093 --> 01:33:08,692
Speaker 10: PPTA Secondary Teachers Union and the Government of negotiations. Installed

2044
01:33:08,812 --> 01:33:14,412
Speaker 10: on Pay and Conditions Supplement company faces investigation overclaims of

2045
01:33:14,532 --> 01:33:18,652
Speaker 10: misleading labeling. See more at ends at Herald Premium. Back

2046
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:20,532
Speaker 10: to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2047
01:33:20,333 --> 01:33:22,972
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about putting

2048
01:33:23,053 --> 01:33:26,772
Speaker 2: free items on the outside of your home if you're

2049
01:33:26,853 --> 01:33:28,973
Speaker 2: moving or if you've got something that's kind of too

2050
01:33:29,013 --> 01:33:31,492
Speaker 2: good to take to the dump, but also you can't

2051
01:33:31,532 --> 01:33:33,572
Speaker 2: be bothered selling it. What are the rules ins and

2052
01:33:33,692 --> 01:33:35,572
Speaker 2: outs of putting free stuff on your booms. Oh, one

2053
01:33:35,612 --> 01:33:37,093
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty yeah, and.

2054
01:33:37,173 --> 01:33:39,253
Speaker 3: Also, what's some really good stuff you've got, because I'm

2055
01:33:39,293 --> 01:33:40,973
Speaker 3: feeling like I gave some of the greatest deal of

2056
01:33:41,013 --> 01:33:43,372
Speaker 3: all time with three quite expensive barstools that I put

2057
01:33:43,372 --> 01:33:44,692
Speaker 3: on the road with free for a good home. They

2058
01:33:44,692 --> 01:33:46,532
Speaker 3: went at about thirty seconds, and I was thinking, maybe

2059
01:33:46,532 --> 01:33:48,093
Speaker 3: they're more valuable than I thought they were. I knew

2060
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:49,612
Speaker 3: they were valuable, but I was just sick of moving

2061
01:33:49,652 --> 01:33:52,932
Speaker 3: stuff and I was, I know, couldn't be bothered selling them,

2062
01:33:53,492 --> 01:33:55,732
Speaker 3: and they just went just like that. So some people

2063
01:33:55,812 --> 01:33:58,732
Speaker 3: must have got some amazing stuff, just people at the

2064
01:33:58,893 --> 01:34:02,492
Speaker 3: end of a large shift or a large clean out

2065
01:34:02,492 --> 01:34:04,172
Speaker 3: where they just don't care anymore.

2066
01:34:04,572 --> 01:34:06,093
Speaker 2: You've got to be so fast. I mean, if I

2067
01:34:06,173 --> 01:34:08,532
Speaker 2: saw you post that up on the community page, would

2068
01:34:08,572 --> 01:34:10,532
Speaker 2: have gotten the truck and drove around there as us

2069
01:34:10,572 --> 01:34:10,932
Speaker 2: as I could.

2070
01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:13,333
Speaker 3: But that's a totally different thing posting on the community page.

2071
01:34:13,532 --> 01:34:16,333
Speaker 2: I've done that before. Yeah, that's totally different.

2072
01:34:16,492 --> 01:34:18,973
Speaker 3: So remaining in your house, just putting them out on

2073
01:34:19,013 --> 01:34:21,932
Speaker 3: your bern and just to all and sundry, just anyone

2074
01:34:22,013 --> 01:34:22,692
Speaker 3: that drives past.

2075
01:34:22,812 --> 01:34:24,933
Speaker 2: Yeah. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What

2076
01:34:25,053 --> 01:34:28,572
Speaker 2: is the best find that you've got free on the

2077
01:34:28,612 --> 01:34:32,652
Speaker 2: side of your streets? Sorry you go, I was saying

2078
01:34:32,692 --> 01:34:35,692
Speaker 2: nine two nine two is the ticks number. Craig's ticked

2079
01:34:35,732 --> 01:34:38,372
Speaker 2: through tasing me, matt As, that's what I've done, the

2080
01:34:38,452 --> 01:34:41,372
Speaker 2: old night dump and run. You're a bad man, crag,

2081
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:42,492
Speaker 2: You're a very bad man.

2082
01:34:43,372 --> 01:34:46,093
Speaker 3: So I mean that is just ingenuous that the night

2083
01:34:46,213 --> 01:34:49,572
Speaker 3: dump and run is one thing and on and it's

2084
01:34:49,652 --> 01:34:51,692
Speaker 3: totally terrible thing to do, and you deserve to be tased.

2085
01:34:52,053 --> 01:34:54,293
Speaker 3: But a piece of rubbish that you don't know work,

2086
01:34:54,572 --> 01:34:56,532
Speaker 3: that you know does not work, and you put on

2087
01:34:56,572 --> 01:34:57,972
Speaker 3: the side of the road like a piece of white

2088
01:34:57,973 --> 01:35:00,093
Speaker 3: where just wash us, say, for example, and you put

2089
01:35:00,133 --> 01:35:01,612
Speaker 3: fred or a good home on it and you know

2090
01:35:01,732 --> 01:35:04,652
Speaker 3: it doesn't work. So you're making that someone else's problem. Yeah,

2091
01:35:04,933 --> 01:35:05,412
Speaker 3: that's low.

2092
01:35:05,692 --> 01:35:07,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to say I got stitched up with

2093
01:35:07,692 --> 01:35:09,492
Speaker 2: one of those. There was two things that I've picked

2094
01:35:09,532 --> 01:35:11,452
Speaker 2: up in Auckland. One was an ottoman on the side

2095
01:35:11,452 --> 01:35:13,612
Speaker 2: of the road, beautiful ottoman. Loved that. And the other

2096
01:35:13,772 --> 01:35:15,932
Speaker 2: was a chair that I picked out near titt Dungy

2097
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:17,892
Speaker 2: just randomly. I was walking the dogs with a chair

2098
01:35:17,893 --> 01:35:19,372
Speaker 2: on the side of the road. It was like one

2099
01:35:19,372 --> 01:35:23,253
Speaker 2: of those antique almost rocking chair style things, and then

2100
01:35:23,452 --> 01:35:24,933
Speaker 2: chuck that in the back got at home may have

2101
01:35:25,013 --> 01:35:26,572
Speaker 2: said what the hell are you doing bringing that thing

2102
01:35:26,652 --> 01:35:29,092
Speaker 2: into the house, But it turned out the springs were buggered,

2103
01:35:29,253 --> 01:35:30,652
Speaker 2: so when I went to sit on it, I'm like,

2104
01:35:30,732 --> 01:35:33,053
Speaker 2: you dirty bugger. I've driven there all the way from

2105
01:35:33,093 --> 01:35:37,572
Speaker 2: Tide Dungy. I felt really ripped off. Scareer, be weird. Yeah, Mags,

2106
01:35:37,652 --> 01:35:38,253
Speaker 2: welcome the show.

2107
01:35:39,253 --> 01:35:41,372
Speaker 26: Yeah, Hi, just a funny thing that happened to my

2108
01:35:41,452 --> 01:35:44,892
Speaker 26: husband and I. We just moved into a new place,

2109
01:35:45,133 --> 01:35:47,412
Speaker 26: and we didn't sort of pack up and get rid

2110
01:35:47,452 --> 01:35:49,892
Speaker 26: of a lot of this stuff before we left. Anyway,

2111
01:35:49,973 --> 01:35:52,053
Speaker 26: when we finally sort of got settled down, I had

2112
01:35:52,093 --> 01:35:55,253
Speaker 26: a really nice sun chair, you know, like, you know,

2113
01:35:55,333 --> 01:35:57,812
Speaker 26: would you lay down on And I said, oh no,

2114
01:35:58,372 --> 01:36:00,893
Speaker 26: we don't need this. So we sort of looked like

2115
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:04,052
Speaker 26: an aparkun country type of place. And outside our place

2116
01:36:04,213 --> 01:36:07,293
Speaker 26: was a roundabout and it was all grass. So I said,

2117
01:36:07,293 --> 01:36:09,933
Speaker 26: I lift was just leave it there, which we did do,

2118
01:36:10,692 --> 01:36:12,452
Speaker 26: and I said, and we were on the way out,

2119
01:36:12,973 --> 01:36:14,652
Speaker 26: you know, going to town, and I said, we'll just

2120
01:36:14,772 --> 01:36:17,452
Speaker 26: leave it there and we got a little bit away

2121
01:36:17,572 --> 01:36:20,772
Speaker 26: from there sit down the road, and I thought, oh,

2122
01:36:20,853 --> 01:36:24,293
Speaker 26: BOW must forgotten my handbag, so I went back again.

2123
01:36:24,492 --> 01:36:27,412
Speaker 26: We went back again and there was a van picking

2124
01:36:27,532 --> 01:36:32,452
Speaker 26: up the chair and I went over to say to

2125
01:36:32,532 --> 01:36:35,093
Speaker 26: say hello to him, just to have a joke, and

2126
01:36:35,213 --> 01:36:37,492
Speaker 26: he says, well, you can bloody well move off. He says,

2127
01:36:37,532 --> 01:36:38,572
Speaker 26: I was here first.

2128
01:36:42,253 --> 01:36:43,492
Speaker 2: That is great bags.

2129
01:36:44,372 --> 01:36:45,772
Speaker 26: So I thought, oh, this could be a bit of

2130
01:36:45,812 --> 01:36:47,372
Speaker 26: a fight here, but it was all right, we're all

2131
01:36:47,452 --> 01:36:51,213
Speaker 26: happy around. But it was like immediately there was somebody

2132
01:36:51,293 --> 01:36:53,892
Speaker 26: there popping it in the van and he told told

2133
01:36:53,973 --> 01:36:55,772
Speaker 26: me to get lost because he was there first.

2134
01:36:57,452 --> 01:36:57,852
Speaker 2: Yeah you go.

2135
01:36:57,973 --> 01:36:59,852
Speaker 3: I mean, if it's on a boom, is it good

2136
01:36:59,893 --> 01:37:01,732
Speaker 3: to go? Does it need to be on a burm

2137
01:37:01,812 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 3: with a sign? I wouldn't even just grab something. That's

2138
01:37:04,572 --> 01:37:07,253
Speaker 3: that's hard to know because someone's moving house and they

2139
01:37:07,372 --> 01:37:09,452
Speaker 3: just put something on the boom where they're waiting moving

2140
01:37:09,492 --> 01:37:11,293
Speaker 3: the truck ground or reversing the truck, and you go,

2141
01:37:11,412 --> 01:37:13,812
Speaker 3: that's good to go. It's got to have the free

2142
01:37:13,893 --> 01:37:16,692
Speaker 3: to free or free to a good home thing hanging

2143
01:37:16,772 --> 01:37:16,933
Speaker 3: off it.

2144
01:37:17,093 --> 01:37:18,812
Speaker 2: Maybe there's why I went wrong with the chair, because

2145
01:37:18,812 --> 01:37:20,412
Speaker 2: there was no sign on the chair. So maybe they

2146
01:37:20,452 --> 01:37:22,173
Speaker 2: were just getting it out ready to take to the dump,

2147
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:23,052
Speaker 2: and I did them a favor.

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01:37:23,452 --> 01:37:25,852
Speaker 3: The sticks said, someone dumped the fridge outside our place once,

2149
01:37:25,933 --> 01:37:28,093
Speaker 3: so I put a sign on it saying free goes.

2150
01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 2: Well it was gone in thirty minutes.

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01:37:29,412 --> 01:37:34,093
Speaker 3: You bad, bad, evil, evil person, especially a fridge, because

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01:37:34,173 --> 01:37:37,372
Speaker 3: moving a fridge is such an absolute wound.

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01:37:37,572 --> 01:37:39,772
Speaker 2: Yep, you've got to hire a trailer usually unless you've

2154
01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:41,732
Speaker 2: got a utes to be able to take it back.

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01:37:42,093 --> 01:37:42,213
Speaker 18: Ah.

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01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:44,293
Speaker 2: Those poor people when they plugged it, and they would

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01:37:44,333 --> 01:37:46,772
Speaker 2: have got it into the kitchen ready to go and

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01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:49,012
Speaker 2: then realized it's absolute junk.

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01:37:49,093 --> 01:37:50,532
Speaker 3: I hope you've done a lot of good stuff in

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01:37:50,572 --> 01:37:54,293
Speaker 3: your life. Ratherwise, you've got a calmer bill to pay.

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01:37:55,412 --> 01:37:57,972
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Yes.

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01:37:57,973 --> 01:38:04,572
Speaker 27: Today putting stuff out on the streets free, My first

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01:38:04,612 --> 01:38:06,972
Speaker 27: option would be ringing the nearest topic tunity show.

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01:38:08,973 --> 01:38:12,253
Speaker 17: Yeah, generals come and to things up.

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01:38:13,293 --> 01:38:13,532
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:38:14,133 --> 01:38:16,213
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have done that.

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01:38:16,853 --> 01:38:19,052
Speaker 27: My wife and I have done that several times because

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01:38:19,093 --> 01:38:24,253
Speaker 27: we're decoffing an old house stuff that the shop love

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01:38:24,333 --> 01:38:26,013
Speaker 27: it so some of them.

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01:38:26,093 --> 01:38:29,812
Speaker 2: Sometimes the op stop is absolutely overrun with stuff.

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01:38:30,412 --> 01:38:32,053
Speaker 3: You don't think it's a legitimate You don't think it's

2172
01:38:32,053 --> 01:38:33,772
Speaker 3: a legitimate thing, noel to put it on the road

2173
01:38:33,812 --> 01:38:34,852
Speaker 3: with a free to a good home.

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01:38:35,933 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 27: But I have done that free to be a good home.

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01:38:38,452 --> 01:38:39,333
Speaker 27: Generally it does go.

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01:38:39,692 --> 01:38:40,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.

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01:38:41,732 --> 01:38:43,652
Speaker 27: Op shops and what could any benef on you have

2178
01:38:43,772 --> 01:38:43,933
Speaker 27: of that?

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01:38:44,412 --> 01:38:44,612
Speaker 24: Yeah?

2180
01:38:44,652 --> 01:38:46,932
Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's that's fair. That's fair.

2181
01:38:46,973 --> 01:38:48,612
Speaker 3: If you bring them up and say do you want

2182
01:38:48,652 --> 01:38:50,732
Speaker 3: to have three bar stools, you can come and get

2183
01:38:50,772 --> 01:38:52,133
Speaker 3: them in the yours?

2184
01:38:52,652 --> 01:38:55,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on your know, yep, fair enough to wait.

2185
01:38:55,013 --> 01:38:57,692
Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2186
01:38:57,772 --> 01:38:59,812
Speaker 2: What are the rules if you put free stuff on

2187
01:39:00,013 --> 01:39:02,492
Speaker 2: the boom? Love to hear your thoughts? Nine two nine

2188
01:39:02,532 --> 01:39:03,652
Speaker 2: to two if you want to see the text. So

2189
01:39:03,732 --> 01:39:05,412
Speaker 2: what's the best thing you actually picked up for free

2190
01:39:05,452 --> 01:39:07,532
Speaker 2: on the side of the road. Really keen to hear

2191
01:39:07,572 --> 01:39:09,612
Speaker 2: about your your fine? You're gott to be so quick

2192
01:39:09,692 --> 01:39:11,452
Speaker 2: for that, And I know it's very different, but the

2193
01:39:11,933 --> 01:39:14,132
Speaker 2: people we put stuff up on the old community pages,

2194
01:39:14,333 --> 01:39:16,972
Speaker 2: that stuff goes within seconds. This is an interesting point.

2195
01:39:17,013 --> 01:39:18,973
Speaker 3: If you're good at fixing things, then you'll get this

2196
01:39:19,053 --> 01:39:20,892
Speaker 3: business is washing machines that side of road. If you're

2197
01:39:20,893 --> 01:39:23,652
Speaker 3: good at fixing things, good to go, So you know

2198
01:39:23,692 --> 01:39:25,492
Speaker 3: if you back yourself. You've driven around, you see a

2199
01:39:25,532 --> 01:39:27,173
Speaker 3: washing machine, you back yourself to fix it.

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Speaker 2: That's brilliant, Thank you very much, Julie Sai'd be so

2244
01:41:35,812 --> 01:41:38,452
Speaker 2: back to the discussion we've been having about the rules

2245
01:41:38,572 --> 01:41:41,452
Speaker 2: of putting free things outside of your house for anyone

2246
01:41:41,532 --> 01:41:42,852
Speaker 2: to come and pick up. I wait, one hundred and

2247
01:41:42,853 --> 01:41:44,253
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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01:41:44,532 --> 01:41:44,572
Speaker 15: This?

2249
01:41:44,812 --> 01:41:47,612
Speaker 2: Is this this text? Maybe laugh even though it's tragic.

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01:41:47,933 --> 01:41:49,892
Speaker 3: I lost a lawnmower when I left on the grass

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01:41:49,973 --> 01:41:52,492
Speaker 3: verge while I went inside to get a glass of water. No,

2252
01:41:53,333 --> 01:41:56,493
Speaker 3: what that's that's dishonest. Someone that comes across a lawnmower

2253
01:41:56,853 --> 01:41:58,852
Speaker 3: on a grass verge and it doesn't have a free

2254
01:41:58,893 --> 01:42:00,612
Speaker 3: to a good homes that's just theft.

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01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:00,852
Speaker 19: Right.

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01:42:01,173 --> 01:42:04,173
Speaker 2: Well, if there's nobody around, I'd consider if I drove

2257
01:42:04,293 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 2: fast and just saw a lawn mower. No, XL wouldn't

2258
01:42:07,253 --> 01:42:09,053
Speaker 2: because the lawns would have been half done and he

2259
01:42:09,093 --> 01:42:10,333
Speaker 2: would have been getting a glass of water.

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01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to be sure, Like I'm still

2261
01:42:12,293 --> 01:42:14,972
Speaker 3: understand that this person is still knowing that the burm

2262
01:42:15,053 --> 01:42:16,213
Speaker 3: way how much is remaining?

2263
01:42:16,372 --> 01:42:18,452
Speaker 2: Oh, you poor bugger. You should have called the police

2264
01:42:18,452 --> 01:42:22,692
Speaker 2: at bad stage. Oh there's a great ditch though, Amy,

2265
01:42:22,933 --> 01:42:23,293
Speaker 2: How are you?

2266
01:42:24,612 --> 01:42:25,173
Speaker 15: I'm good?

2267
01:42:25,293 --> 01:42:27,213
Speaker 2: How are you good? You've got a great story.

2268
01:42:28,293 --> 01:42:31,412
Speaker 29: Oh god, it was actually really bad. I was having

2269
01:42:31,412 --> 01:42:33,253
Speaker 29: in the UK my early twenties in a big flat

2270
01:42:33,372 --> 01:42:35,892
Speaker 29: here and people coming and out and they're traveling around

2271
01:42:35,933 --> 01:42:40,652
Speaker 29: Europe and stuff, and we actually ended up getting bad bugs.

2272
01:42:41,013 --> 01:42:44,732
Speaker 29: And so when we told the landlord, he said, look,

2273
01:42:44,732 --> 01:42:46,372
Speaker 29: I'll be around in a moment. I'll just pop them

2274
01:42:46,412 --> 01:42:48,053
Speaker 29: out in front of them to leave them against the

2275
01:42:48,572 --> 01:42:50,333
Speaker 29: mattresses against the house, and I'll I'll.

2276
01:42:50,253 --> 01:42:51,492
Speaker 2: Come and where this is going.

2277
01:42:52,293 --> 01:42:54,253
Speaker 29: And he came to take the moune knock from the

2278
01:42:54,333 --> 01:42:57,652
Speaker 29: joor and he said, where are the mattresses compating to

2279
01:42:57,652 --> 01:42:59,293
Speaker 29: the dump? And we went well, they were just leading

2280
01:42:59,412 --> 01:43:01,053
Speaker 29: up against the house and he went out and they

2281
01:43:01,173 --> 01:43:01,452
Speaker 29: had it.

2282
01:43:01,692 --> 01:43:02,413
Speaker 23: They weren't.

2283
01:43:05,452 --> 01:43:08,692
Speaker 29: And they were like full of bad bugs. I felt

2284
01:43:08,772 --> 01:43:10,612
Speaker 29: so sorry for the But that's the thing that it

2285
01:43:10,692 --> 01:43:12,213
Speaker 29: doesn't have a freedom.

2286
01:43:12,772 --> 01:43:13,932
Speaker 2: On it exactly.

2287
01:43:14,053 --> 01:43:14,293
Speaker 1: See.

2288
01:43:14,412 --> 01:43:16,412
Speaker 3: I think I think those people might have got what

2289
01:43:16,532 --> 01:43:18,532
Speaker 3: they deserved because you're just grabbing something.

2290
01:43:19,293 --> 01:43:23,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, it's a good point. The more

2291
01:43:23,133 --> 01:43:24,772
Speaker 2: you talking about the sign, the more I think it

2292
01:43:24,893 --> 01:43:26,813
Speaker 2: is vital weekly. You need a sign.

2293
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:31,412
Speaker 3: Bid bugs hard to get rid of those people might

2294
01:43:31,452 --> 01:43:34,372
Speaker 3: have been plagued, but bid bugs for for years to come.

2295
01:43:34,732 --> 01:43:38,372
Speaker 2: That is a great story. Yeah, thank you very much, Amy, Marie.

2296
01:43:38,412 --> 01:43:38,732
Speaker 12: How are you.

2297
01:43:39,772 --> 01:43:44,532
Speaker 15: I'm fine, Thank you. Just putting things out on the

2298
01:43:44,612 --> 01:43:47,173
Speaker 15: boom doesn't always work on the same as that guy

2299
01:43:47,213 --> 01:43:50,933
Speaker 15: that went to get the drink of water. I was

2300
01:43:51,013 --> 01:43:54,372
Speaker 15: mowing the boom and I went to empty the catcher,

2301
01:43:54,532 --> 01:43:57,013
Speaker 15: which is down the side of the garage. And when

2302
01:43:57,053 --> 01:43:59,053
Speaker 15: I came back, the sky was just picking the law

2303
01:43:59,173 --> 01:44:03,052
Speaker 15: my run and he saw me with the ketcher walking

2304
01:44:03,093 --> 01:44:04,452
Speaker 15: towards him. He said, it's the shore.

2305
01:44:04,572 --> 01:44:05,173
Speaker 20: So's the year.

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01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:05,492
Speaker 16: It is.

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01:44:08,013 --> 01:44:11,972
Speaker 3: The saciousious because I think you would put a lawnmarer

2308
01:44:12,053 --> 01:44:14,013
Speaker 3: in a different sort of position. You wouldn't have it

2309
01:44:14,253 --> 01:44:16,852
Speaker 3: in the position if it's going to be going and

2310
01:44:17,093 --> 01:44:19,253
Speaker 3: it's free to a good home. It doesn't sit on

2311
01:44:19,333 --> 01:44:22,133
Speaker 3: the lawn like that with grass and the catcher still

2312
01:44:22,173 --> 01:44:22,933
Speaker 3: being operational.

2313
01:44:23,732 --> 01:44:25,812
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Mariy. Yeah, thank you very much.

2314
01:44:26,692 --> 01:44:29,012
Speaker 2: So there's a rising time. It's rife in our community,

2315
01:44:29,412 --> 01:44:29,692
Speaker 2: isn't it.

2316
01:44:29,812 --> 01:44:33,852
Speaker 3: People grabbing lawnmowers and pretending like they think that they're

2317
01:44:34,173 --> 01:44:34,932
Speaker 3: free to a good home.

2318
01:44:35,013 --> 01:44:36,652
Speaker 2: I think at that point you're right, they're just straight

2319
01:44:36,732 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 2: up theft.

2320
01:44:37,333 --> 01:44:38,972
Speaker 3: This is the same type of person that would see

2321
01:44:39,013 --> 01:44:42,452
Speaker 3: lawn outdoor furniture in the front of someone's yard and

2322
01:44:42,492 --> 01:44:43,652
Speaker 3: they've put them in the yard.

2323
01:44:43,652 --> 01:44:45,253
Speaker 2: They're free to a good game. It's close enough to

2324
01:44:45,293 --> 01:44:49,772
Speaker 2: the street. I'll take that. Phil. You've got a situation

2325
01:44:49,853 --> 01:44:50,253
Speaker 2: with a bike.

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01:44:51,572 --> 01:44:53,213
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, you get a boys, how are you?

2327
01:44:53,452 --> 01:44:53,812
Speaker 2: You're good?

2328
01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:55,732
Speaker 3: Excellent exit.

2329
01:44:55,853 --> 01:44:58,972
Speaker 24: I did have here somebody There was a child's bike

2330
01:44:59,492 --> 01:45:02,932
Speaker 24: dumped out, was just outside my place here in christ Church,

2331
01:45:03,532 --> 01:45:05,692
Speaker 24: and I left it there for a couple of days,

2332
01:45:05,812 --> 01:45:08,492
Speaker 24: just thinking that it might have been a kid, know

2333
01:45:08,572 --> 01:45:10,532
Speaker 24: that's just dumped it for whatever reason. It's going to

2334
01:45:10,572 --> 01:45:12,612
Speaker 24: come back and pick it up in that But no

2335
01:45:12,732 --> 01:45:14,612
Speaker 24: one showed up. So I held on to it and

2336
01:45:14,933 --> 01:45:17,133
Speaker 24: I got on Facebook and I took a photo and said,

2337
01:45:17,133 --> 01:45:20,492
Speaker 24: anybody missing this bike is at my place. Waited for

2338
01:45:20,612 --> 01:45:25,412
Speaker 24: a week. Didn't get any replies apart from a mate

2339
01:45:25,412 --> 01:45:27,253
Speaker 24: who was going to fix it up and take it

2340
01:45:27,293 --> 01:45:31,013
Speaker 24: away himself. But he didn't. He didn't in the end,

2341
01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:33,372
Speaker 24: But so I rang up here in christ it's a

2342
01:45:33,412 --> 01:45:36,692
Speaker 24: place that recycles bikes, you know, old bikes and fix

2343
01:45:36,772 --> 01:45:39,372
Speaker 24: them up and fixes them up and that for free

2344
01:45:39,412 --> 01:45:41,173
Speaker 24: and that. So they were quite happy. I talk it

2345
01:45:41,293 --> 01:45:44,372
Speaker 24: down there and they were happy to grab it. And yeah,

2346
01:45:44,452 --> 01:45:47,852
Speaker 24: so hopefully some child or family you know, got a

2347
01:45:47,933 --> 01:45:50,732
Speaker 24: good bike that they could afford because they that's the

2348
01:45:51,093 --> 01:45:54,452
Speaker 24: whole thing was with their charity. I'm not sure it

2349
01:45:54,492 --> 01:45:56,013
Speaker 24: was chatty, but the whole thing was they fixed the

2350
01:45:56,053 --> 01:45:58,053
Speaker 24: bikes up, you know, so they cost a lot less

2351
01:45:58,093 --> 01:45:59,972
Speaker 24: than him to go and buy a brand new bike.

2352
01:46:00,053 --> 01:46:02,253
Speaker 24: So maybe a family and the low income can afford it.

2353
01:46:02,333 --> 01:46:03,372
Speaker 24: So that's what I've done with that.

2354
01:46:03,612 --> 01:46:06,492
Speaker 2: It's a nice thing to do. Yeah, that is great.

2355
01:46:06,532 --> 01:46:08,532
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you can repurpose it to go

2356
01:46:08,612 --> 01:46:11,772
Speaker 2: to a charity, well done, John, How are you?

2357
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:13,293
Speaker 20: Yeah?

2358
01:46:13,333 --> 01:46:15,933
Speaker 30: You know I had a fridge and freezer that I

2359
01:46:15,973 --> 01:46:17,972
Speaker 30: didn't need to I'll put it out on the front.

2360
01:46:18,572 --> 01:46:20,612
Speaker 30: By the time I went out, I wasn't sure if

2361
01:46:20,652 --> 01:46:22,133
Speaker 30: I was going to dump it or make a sign

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01:46:22,213 --> 01:46:24,812
Speaker 30: or whatever. So I wanted and I thought, well, I

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01:46:24,933 --> 01:46:26,572
Speaker 30: heard a car pull up, and I thought I went

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01:46:26,612 --> 01:46:29,452
Speaker 30: out and had look, it was gone already. But by

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01:46:29,492 --> 01:46:31,892
Speaker 30: the time I walked inside, it was gone.

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01:46:32,213 --> 01:46:34,093
Speaker 2: No sign needed, John. Someone was ready to.

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01:46:34,133 --> 01:46:37,173
Speaker 30: Go, that's just the first problem. The biggest problem I

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01:46:37,213 --> 01:46:39,892
Speaker 30: have with it is they must have either not had

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01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:42,612
Speaker 30: enough room or something like that. But they dumped off

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01:46:42,652 --> 01:46:43,412
Speaker 30: a rusty.

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01:46:43,173 --> 01:46:47,612
Speaker 31: Old barbecue and a box of other old rubbish, and

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01:46:47,812 --> 01:46:52,692
Speaker 31: and they were just scattered everywhere. And the barbecue was

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01:46:52,692 --> 01:46:54,532
Speaker 31: an old fishing line kind of think of that. All

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01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:57,532
Speaker 31: that all dragged down the road of the fish shops

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01:46:57,572 --> 01:47:00,372
Speaker 31: on it. So to pull all of that up the

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01:47:00,732 --> 01:47:02,852
Speaker 31: cats that didn't get it, and I had all this

2377
01:47:03,293 --> 01:47:06,973
Speaker 31: really messy, horrible, rusty rubbish falling apart that I then

2378
01:47:07,093 --> 01:47:07,692
Speaker 31: had to dump.

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01:47:08,452 --> 01:47:10,972
Speaker 2: But that is some terribley behavior on them. So clearly

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01:47:11,013 --> 01:47:14,652
Speaker 2: they picked up this track on another street then was

2381
01:47:14,692 --> 01:47:16,692
Speaker 2: swung by John's Street. Well what they're doing.

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01:47:16,812 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 3: They're driving to the dump and they go, well, I

2383
01:47:18,652 --> 01:47:20,692
Speaker 3: want this fridge freezer, but I don't have space for it,

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01:47:20,772 --> 01:47:24,013
Speaker 3: so dump that's not on No, a terrible crime that

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01:47:24,093 --> 01:47:27,333
Speaker 3: was committed against me. I had this nice mountain bike

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01:47:27,372 --> 01:47:28,932
Speaker 3: that I thought, you know, my kid had got too

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01:47:28,973 --> 01:47:31,372
Speaker 3: big for it. So I was like, this mountain bike

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01:47:31,372 --> 01:47:33,652
Speaker 3: would be make a kid happy, right, So I put

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01:47:33,652 --> 01:47:35,452
Speaker 3: it on the street free to good home. The bike

2390
01:47:35,532 --> 01:47:37,532
Speaker 3: went and the person had just dumped the free to

2391
01:47:37,572 --> 01:47:39,932
Speaker 3: good home sign on the ground with a bike. Oss,

2392
01:47:40,412 --> 01:47:42,452
Speaker 3: I think that you've got if you're taking a free bike,

2393
01:47:42,532 --> 01:47:44,372
Speaker 3: and this bike was probably worth five hundred bucks at

2394
01:47:44,412 --> 01:47:46,692
Speaker 3: the time. It's a free at least have the decency

2395
01:47:46,812 --> 01:47:48,372
Speaker 3: to take the sign with you and put that in

2396
01:47:48,452 --> 01:47:48,892
Speaker 3: the Rabbish.

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01:47:49,213 --> 01:47:50,892
Speaker 2: You can't just take the bike and dump the sign

2398
01:47:50,933 --> 01:47:51,973
Speaker 2: because it's doing you were doing.

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01:47:52,013 --> 01:47:54,492
Speaker 3: I wanted to get a taser and follow head out

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01:47:54,532 --> 01:47:56,173
Speaker 3: on the streets and try and find that person on

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01:47:56,253 --> 01:47:57,372
Speaker 3: that bike and taser them for that.

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01:47:57,492 --> 01:47:59,972
Speaker 2: There's some bad people out there, right O one hundred

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01:48:00,013 --> 01:48:02,972
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We'll

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01:48:03,013 --> 01:48:04,612
Speaker 2: have a chat to Dean get eighteen. You've got a

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01:48:04,612 --> 01:48:05,452
Speaker 2: fridge story as well.

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01:48:06,452 --> 01:48:09,333
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, yeah, put a fridge out on boom and

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01:48:09,893 --> 01:48:12,732
Speaker 23: had free on a sign. No one took this reach.

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01:48:12,772 --> 01:48:14,933
Speaker 23: It didn't look wrong, but no one took it. So

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01:48:15,053 --> 01:48:16,972
Speaker 23: we took away the free sign, put one hundred dollars

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01:48:17,053 --> 01:48:18,012
Speaker 23: on it and got stolen.

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01:48:20,333 --> 01:48:22,412
Speaker 2: That's smart. That is a good strategy. That is a

2412
01:48:22,452 --> 01:48:23,973
Speaker 2: good strategy that played out well for you.

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01:48:23,973 --> 01:48:26,093
Speaker 3: You know that one before we said the mattress with

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01:48:26,173 --> 01:48:29,532
Speaker 3: bid bugs. Spison said, haha, I grabbed a mattress that

2415
01:48:29,612 --> 01:48:34,012
Speaker 3: was leaning up against a leading up against the wall

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01:48:34,173 --> 01:48:37,692
Speaker 3: and got big bugs. Oh but this was in London, Okay,

2417
01:48:37,812 --> 01:48:38,772
Speaker 3: so was that previous story?

2418
01:48:38,812 --> 01:48:39,772
Speaker 2: Wasn't in London though, was it?

2419
01:48:39,973 --> 01:48:40,293
Speaker 19: I don't know.

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01:48:40,333 --> 01:48:41,652
Speaker 2: We're going to have to write it back. We might

2421
01:48:41,732 --> 01:48:43,932
Speaker 2: have found the victim of the old big big bugs.

2422
01:48:44,293 --> 01:48:45,772
Speaker 2: I mean, are they a victim if they took it

2423
01:48:45,812 --> 01:48:46,412
Speaker 2: without a sign?

2424
01:48:47,173 --> 01:48:47,213
Speaker 5: No?

2425
01:48:47,652 --> 01:48:50,692
Speaker 2: No, yes, your fault, buddy, were a receiver of karma.

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01:48:52,093 --> 01:48:54,173
Speaker 2: I think we got time for Derrek before we got

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01:48:54,213 --> 01:48:54,932
Speaker 2: to play some messages.

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01:48:55,293 --> 01:49:00,213
Speaker 8: MATEA oh guys, look, I just want to follow up

2429
01:49:00,253 --> 01:49:04,253
Speaker 8: on our mower, the one about the mower and mate,

2430
01:49:04,253 --> 01:49:07,532
Speaker 8: and we're driving along in an Auckland suburb and we

2431
01:49:07,612 --> 01:49:10,932
Speaker 8: saw a moron street sorry on the burm and I said,

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01:49:11,213 --> 01:49:13,652
Speaker 8: I think it's been left out, So I pulled over

2433
01:49:13,692 --> 01:49:16,692
Speaker 8: and he ran across and pulled it over, pulled it

2434
01:49:16,772 --> 01:49:18,133
Speaker 8: back and just about to put it in the back

2435
01:49:18,133 --> 01:49:20,933
Speaker 8: of the car, and the guy yelled out and he

2436
01:49:20,973 --> 01:49:22,812
Speaker 8: said what are you doing? And I said, oh, just

2437
01:49:22,853 --> 01:49:25,053
Speaker 8: grabbing the mow then, and he s just spent the

2438
01:49:25,093 --> 01:49:28,333
Speaker 8: toilet and it came back and the ending was that

2439
01:49:28,893 --> 01:49:31,452
Speaker 8: there was rubbish right along as an organic collection. And

2440
01:49:31,532 --> 01:49:33,692
Speaker 8: there was just poles of rubbish everywhere, and we just

2441
01:49:33,732 --> 01:49:35,092
Speaker 8: thought the mo was ononder them.

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01:49:36,652 --> 01:49:39,772
Speaker 2: Whether yeah, that's almost fair enough? Almost well yeah, because

2443
01:49:39,812 --> 01:49:40,732
Speaker 2: that's that blurs the line.

2444
01:49:40,732 --> 01:49:44,532
Speaker 3: If there's an organic on an organic sign kind of

2445
01:49:44,572 --> 01:49:46,412
Speaker 3: blurs the line with whether you need to look for

2446
01:49:46,492 --> 01:49:48,852
Speaker 3: the free for free to a good home sign. I

2447
01:49:48,893 --> 01:49:52,412
Speaker 3: think before you grab something free, you can't grab it. Yes,

2448
01:49:52,492 --> 01:49:55,012
Speaker 3: it's got the free and initiate it's an organic season,

2449
01:49:55,053 --> 01:49:55,572
Speaker 3: then it's free for.

2450
01:49:55,572 --> 01:49:58,692
Speaker 2: All power tools outside the outside at someone's house. If

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01:49:58,692 --> 01:50:00,492
Speaker 2: they don't have a sign on them, chances are they

2452
01:50:00,572 --> 01:50:01,892
Speaker 2: being utilized right then and there.

2453
01:50:02,053 --> 01:50:04,372
Speaker 3: If there's an organic sign, be very careful what you

2454
01:50:04,452 --> 01:50:05,093
Speaker 3: leave on your boom.

2455
01:50:05,093 --> 01:50:08,293
Speaker 2: I'd say exactly one hundred eighty ten eaties a number

2456
01:50:08,452 --> 01:50:12,333
Speaker 2: call back in a mow. It is nine minutes before the.

2457
01:50:12,452 --> 01:50:16,372
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

2458
01:50:16,452 --> 01:50:19,932
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

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01:50:19,572 --> 01:50:23,253
Speaker 2: Used talk said, be very good afternoon, Jiar. We've been

2460
01:50:23,293 --> 01:50:26,492
Speaker 2: talking about free stuff on the booms outside of your house.

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01:50:26,532 --> 01:50:28,612
Speaker 2: What are the rules? Couple of texts to wrap it

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01:50:28,612 --> 01:50:31,532
Speaker 2: all up. Getay, guys, I had my good barbecue beside

2463
01:50:31,572 --> 01:50:33,732
Speaker 2: the corner of the house and came home and found

2464
01:50:33,772 --> 01:50:35,772
Speaker 2: it was gone. Check with the wife who said the

2465
01:50:35,853 --> 01:50:40,892
Speaker 2: inorganic collection was today. That's sucks the sixty seth cura.

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01:50:41,013 --> 01:50:43,253
Speaker 3: I was vacuuming the house, put the two big rugs

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01:50:43,333 --> 01:50:46,492
Speaker 3: over the front one point high fence to get air

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01:50:46,652 --> 01:50:48,892
Speaker 3: and sunlight. Finished the cleaning, went back and they were gone.

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01:50:49,532 --> 01:50:52,532
Speaker 3: Brassed me off. Cheers Eddie, Sorry about Eddie. That's why

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01:50:52,612 --> 01:50:54,173
Speaker 3: I going back. If it hasn't got free to a

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01:50:54,213 --> 01:50:56,013
Speaker 3: good home or free on it, and then it's just

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01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:58,772
Speaker 3: someone hearing their rug over the fence again exactly.

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01:50:59,053 --> 01:51:01,293
Speaker 2: That is thieft at that point. This one years ago,

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01:51:01,372 --> 01:51:04,013
Speaker 2: I found a cool old motorbike parked along rubbish out

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01:51:04,053 --> 01:51:06,333
Speaker 2: for collection. I shot home, got my trailer, chucked it on,

2476
01:51:06,452 --> 01:51:09,133
Speaker 2: proceeded to go to work where the sharp work mate

2477
01:51:09,213 --> 01:51:11,972
Speaker 2: found a current rejo plate bent up under the sea. Whoops.

2478
01:51:12,173 --> 01:51:14,452
Speaker 2: Realizing what I had done, I phone Newlyn police station

2479
01:51:14,612 --> 01:51:16,572
Speaker 2: to report my fine. They trecked down the owner, who

2480
01:51:16,612 --> 01:51:18,372
Speaker 2: phoned me and later came around to grab it back.

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01:51:18,612 --> 01:51:20,133
Speaker 2: He was very understanding my bed.

2482
01:51:21,053 --> 01:51:25,532
Speaker 3: So before we had that person who's who had a

2483
01:51:25,612 --> 01:51:28,013
Speaker 3: mattress and put it out on the street in the

2484
01:51:28,173 --> 01:51:31,852
Speaker 3: UK yep, and had bed bugs. And the landlord was

2485
01:51:31,893 --> 01:51:33,372
Speaker 3: coming around to get it because they had big bugs

2486
01:51:33,412 --> 01:51:34,933
Speaker 3: to get rid of it. And then someone took it

2487
01:51:34,973 --> 01:51:36,412
Speaker 3: because they thought it was free from a good home,

2488
01:51:36,853 --> 01:51:39,692
Speaker 3: right and so. And then we had someone here that

2489
01:51:39,893 --> 01:51:42,692
Speaker 3: messaged in before saying that they grabbed a mattress in

2490
01:51:43,452 --> 01:51:46,173
Speaker 3: London yep, and it had bed bugs on it. Yeah,

2491
01:51:46,492 --> 01:51:48,572
Speaker 3: and there wasn't a free good home. Do you think

2492
01:51:48,612 --> 01:51:50,932
Speaker 3: what are the chances that those two things are mixed?

2493
01:51:51,013 --> 01:51:53,532
Speaker 2: Sounds highly likely. I mean, how many people won take

2494
01:51:53,572 --> 01:51:55,612
Speaker 2: old mattresses on the street in London that have bed

2495
01:51:55,652 --> 01:51:57,412
Speaker 2: bugs in them and two put them out and they've

2496
01:51:57,412 --> 01:51:59,692
Speaker 2: got beer bugs on them. I mean that's too uncanny. Yeah,

2497
01:51:59,772 --> 01:52:00,772
Speaker 2: I think we've figured it out.

2498
01:52:01,013 --> 01:52:05,012
Speaker 3: It just speaks to the vastness of Matt and Tyler

2499
01:52:05,053 --> 01:52:06,652
Speaker 3: Afternoon's listenership, doesn't it.

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01:52:06,732 --> 01:52:06,892
Speaker 19: Yeah?

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01:52:06,933 --> 01:52:08,133
Speaker 3: I love it all right, Thank you so much for

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01:52:08,412 --> 01:52:10,372
Speaker 3: sing everyone. I love the chat today. It's been a

2503
01:52:10,532 --> 01:52:13,772
Speaker 3: great old time. It's great to be back. The great

2504
01:52:13,812 --> 01:52:16,372
Speaker 3: and powerful Heather Doop. See Ellen's not up next. But Tyler,

2505
01:52:16,612 --> 01:52:18,013
Speaker 3: my good friend, Why am I playing the song?

2506
01:52:18,973 --> 01:52:19,133
Speaker 18: Ah?

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01:52:19,293 --> 01:52:22,972
Speaker 2: The verbs? Not the verbs? The verve the drugs don't work,

2508
01:52:23,013 --> 01:52:25,133
Speaker 2: because we had a great chat about fentanyl and many

2509
01:52:25,173 --> 01:52:27,612
Speaker 2: people who have tried it in medical situations. But I

2510
01:52:28,053 --> 01:52:30,013
Speaker 2: think that is a drug that works pretty well by

2511
01:52:30,053 --> 01:52:30,452
Speaker 2: the sounds of it.

2512
01:52:30,652 --> 01:52:33,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes people saying it didn't work with them. Anyway,

2513
01:52:33,572 --> 01:52:35,812
Speaker 3: what a great song. Irvin Hymns is a great album.

2514
01:52:35,933 --> 01:52:37,572
Speaker 3: It's got this song, It's got a bit of seats,

2515
01:52:37,572 --> 01:52:41,092
Speaker 3: symphony on its, soun it, son it and lucky Man. Anyway,

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01:52:41,133 --> 01:52:42,253
Speaker 3: you guys seem busy, will let you.

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01:52:42,293 --> 01:52:44,532
Speaker 2: Go until tomorrow afternoon and give them a taste of

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01:52:44,612 --> 01:52:45,213
Speaker 2: Kiwi from us.

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01:52:45,293 --> 01:52:49,532
Speaker 1: All right then, for more from News Talks b listen

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Speaker 1: live on air or online, and keep our shows with

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