1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Barry Sober, our senior political correspondence with US. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: So this will be a big thing for Chris Lackson, right, 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: just even if all he got was a handshake with 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know whether you've seen the photographs from 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: the White House, Heather. He couldn't be more ecstatic. He's 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: like the cat that's got the cream. But he admits 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: that he is a bit of a sucker when it 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: comes to American politics. And he went through the Congress 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: both sides yesterday and met a congressman and senators last 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 2: night or probably in the last few hours in Washington. 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: He was at the White House seventy fifth anniversary dinner 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: for NATO, and he did have a chat to Joe Biden. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: I hope Biden remembers because if Donald Trump does win 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: the White House, which is widely expected later this year. 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: You remember he's talked about ten percent tariffs on any 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: imports into the United States, so that could impact New 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Zealand great but at least he got to talk to 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: the President. He also got to meet Sir Kia Starma 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: from the from Great Britain, and you know that would 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: have been, I guess, a good meeting for him, even 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: if it was a bit of a pull side, because 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: New Zealand it's very important for us to be known 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: by the British leadership. And then Jacindadan's old mates, the 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: French then duck President Emanuel mccam. He met with him 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: and the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. So he did 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: the round and judging by his face, he's, like I said, 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: a bit like the captain's got the cream. 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: Hey, it turns out New Zealand First was pretty much 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: mostly right about what happened on that ferry. 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it's fascinating, isn't it. The only thing they may 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: be wrong about is that somebody went off the bridge 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: for coffee that was in charge of the steering gear. 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: But we all have now seen the advice that was 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: put out to masters, might have you that run these fairies, 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: saying that you've got to understand how to work the 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: auto pilot, and it would seem that they didn't know 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: how to do it. The New Zealand First ex posting 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: said that someone put the auto pilot on, went off 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: for a coffee and couldn't turn it off in time. 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: When that someone came back. Well it would seem that 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: is the case, but whether they went for coffee or whatever, 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: who knows. The Kiwi Rail general manager of inter Island 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: Operations Duncan Roy, he said there's no cover up, although 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: Winston Peter says there is, and Peters is questioning the 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: need a bit like transpar and the toppling over of 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: the pylon recently. Header Peter's saying, why do we have 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: to spend time and money on a month long investigation internal, 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: I might say, into what happened on the ferry. Well, 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: it's as plan as the name us on your face. Yeah. Quite. 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to them after five o'clock see 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: what we can find out. What do you make this 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Ministerial Advisory Group on retail crime? I mean there is 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: You can criticize us for being just another working group. 56 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: Right well, you know, and look, I think the retailers 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: in this country have been through a hall of a 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: time and the government or officially they would put the 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: loss to retail at about a billion dollars the retailer, 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: the scay it's close closer to two point six billion. 61 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 2: You see Michael Hill Jewelers closing down at various places 62 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: and they really have been through a torrid time. But 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: why have the ministerial working group? Do we know what's 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: surely what's wrong with people busting in and doing ram 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: raids and what have you to retail us Sonny Kershel, 66 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: he's going to cheer the group, but it's going to 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: cost one point eight million dollars for the next each 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: of the next two years, which seems a hell of 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: a lot of money to put into an advisory group. 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: They're not there to take advice from ministers. They're there 71 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: to give the advice two ministers. So you know, it 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: does make you wonder why four to five people on 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: this advisory group that there will eventually be are why 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: it absolutely needed when the problems to address this sort 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: of issue have been now around for some considerable time. 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, very fair point, Thank you very much, appreciate. It's 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: very so for senior political correspondent. 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: For more from hither Duplassy Alan Drive, listen live to 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.