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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. History teachers

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Speaker 2: are not happy with the curriculum changes. Bill Gates has

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Speaker 2: really ruffled feathers with his climate comments and a tax

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Speaker 2: expert on where the labour's CGT will really bring in

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Speaker 2: as much as they say it will.

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Speaker 3: Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: When you think about it, it's actually remarkable, isn't it

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Speaker 2: how much Erica Stanford has managed to do an education

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Speaker 2: without much resistance from teachers. Well, it looks like that

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Speaker 2: dream run is now well and truly over. The teachers

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Speaker 2: are letting it be known that they are not happy

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Speaker 2: about the curriculum that was released overnight. The history teachers

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Speaker 2: are grumpy that some local history has been replaced with

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Speaker 2: some international history and that they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: teach World War II before they teach World War One.

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Speaker 2: The pe teachers are not happy because there's too much

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Speaker 2: physical activity in Pe. The art's teachers are apparently not

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Speaker 2: happy because there's not enough Indigenous art, something that they

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Speaker 2: apparently winged about before their curriculum was even up online

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Speaker 2: and they could see that apparently there is enough Indigenous art.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them are unhappy because they're going to

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Speaker 2: have to start teaching some of this new stuff from

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Speaker 2: the start of next year, or the year thereafter, or

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Speaker 2: the year thereafter. Now, what I would say to the

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Speaker 2: teachers is tread carefully with the stuff. A parents are

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Speaker 2: not happy with what's been going on in our education

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Speaker 2: system and how far behind the rest of the world

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Speaker 2: our young people are falling, which is why Erica Stanford's

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Speaker 2: changes to the education system thus far have been widely

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Speaker 2: celebrated and she has become something of a hero politician,

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Speaker 2: at least for now. What teachers whinging about time frames

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Speaker 2: and content might like to consider before they winge about

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Speaker 2: time frames and content is that, yes, they might not

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Speaker 2: want to have to teach the new stuff from next February,

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Speaker 2: but that's someone's child starting that class from next February,

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Speaker 2: and they want their child to get the best possible chance,

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Speaker 2: which may include a change in the content. And clearly

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Speaker 2: the previous content wasn't getting our kids properly educated, so

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Speaker 2: clearly we needed to change the content now. Teachers, of course,

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Speaker 2: are more than entitled to criticize fairly where it's due

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Speaker 2: mounting a good argument. They are the experts after all.

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Speaker 2: But anything that sounds like running a union line of

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Speaker 2: resisting a National Party minister simply because she's a National

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Speaker 2: Party minister probably isn't going to go down particularly well

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Speaker 2: with a lot of parents.

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Speaker 3: Forgever do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Two nine.

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Speaker 2: Who's the text number? Standard text fees apply? One of

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Speaker 2: the history teachers is with us after five o'clock. Now

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Speaker 2: I have got some good news for you if you're

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Speaker 2: a motorist. One of your more annoying annual tasks, and

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Speaker 2: let's be honest, expensive annual tasks may now only happen

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Speaker 2: every two years. The government is opening consultation on whether

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Speaker 2: to extend the warrant of fitness for light vehicles to

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Speaker 2: two years instead of the one that we do at

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Speaker 2: the moment. New vehicles may not even need a waft

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Speaker 2: until they're four years old. Chris Bishop is the Transport

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Speaker 2: Minister behind this and is with us High Bish today.

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Speaker 2: Is this safe?

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Speaker 4: Yes? It is.

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Speaker 5: We make in New Zealand, we make people get their

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Speaker 5: vehicles checked more than almost any other country in the

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Speaker 5: Western world. So I'm just looking at a table in

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Speaker 5: front of me.

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Speaker 4: Mostly it's two years.

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Speaker 5: So you look at Japan, we make people do it

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Speaker 5: every two years, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden is the same

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Speaker 5: island as the same some places you don't even have

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Speaker 5: to have a regular inspection at all. The reality is

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Speaker 5: cars are safer than they've ever been, you know, its

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Speaker 5: technology has advanced, and so this is about making sure

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Speaker 5: you can reduce the cost of living for people but

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Speaker 5: also keep people safe from the road.

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Speaker 2: Their fleets as old as ours.

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Speaker 5: So our vehicle fleet is older than other places, and

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Speaker 5: that's why we're consulting on getting the balance right. So

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Speaker 5: what we're proposing is that for new vehicles, you would

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Speaker 5: your first WAFT would be valid for four years, and

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Speaker 5: then for vehicles that are between four and ten years old,

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Speaker 5: you'd get a WAFT every two years, and then if

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Speaker 5: you've got a vehicle over ten years old, you'd still

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Speaker 5: need a WAFF every year. So I think I think

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Speaker 5: that strikes about the right balance.

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Speaker 2: What was it before? It wasn't that long ago that

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Speaker 2: it was every six months, wasn't it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was six months.

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Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and check exactly when that changed.

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Speaker 5: From memory, it was back maybe about ten years ago.

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Speaker 5: I think from memory.

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Speaker 2: It's just recently from that, wasn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well you could be right hither, but certainly I remember

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Speaker 5: doing it put it that way.

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Speaker 2: So yes, jeez, I mean, if we go, if we

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Speaker 2: go to four years, it really does make this every

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Speaker 2: six months look like wildly excessive, doesn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well be fell be four years for your first waft

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Speaker 5: and then two years after that.

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Speaker 4: But I mean it's super annoying.

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Speaker 5: Right, You've got to get fifty to seventy five dollars,

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Speaker 5: you've got to find the time, and I'd always seem

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Speaker 5: to come around at the wrong time. My wife's always

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Speaker 5: you know, sort of January two, nothing's open. You've got

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Speaker 5: then it's annoying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, didn't you that's your life decision that made

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Speaker 2: it January two?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 5: But once you're in the once you're on the cycle,

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Speaker 5: you know, like that's when it is right, Like it's

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Speaker 5: because every twelve months, like by the poinition, so every

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Speaker 5: January three order it is, So you know, I think that.

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Speaker 4: This is about getting the balance right.

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Speaker 5: We have one of the most frequent inspection systems in

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Speaker 5: the IECD, and you know, the vehicle technologies advanced and

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Speaker 5: make map.

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Speaker 2: If you decide to go for it. How quickly are

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Speaker 2: we doing this?

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Speaker 5: So the submissions are open now and they'll close on Wednesday,

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Speaker 5: since seventeen December, and then we'd hope to make decisions

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Speaker 5: early in twenty twenty six in London and soon after that,

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Speaker 5: so it early to midnext year.

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Speaker 2: It's a good life change ahead of the election. Listen,

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Speaker 2: have you seen this stuff about the Wellington City councilor

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Speaker 2: complaining because NZTA isn't telling Wellington City Council what they're

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Speaker 2: doing with the Mount VC Tunnel.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, crimea river.

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Speaker 5: I mean seriously, it's a state highway. Like State Highway

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Speaker 5: one goes through the middle of Wellington. Mount Victoria and

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Speaker 5: the Terrace are part of State Highway one. Forty thousand

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Speaker 5: vehicle movements each and every day through the eastern suburbs,

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Speaker 5: through the airport and all the rest of it. We're

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Speaker 5: consulting with the council obviously, but it's a state highway,

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Speaker 5: so you know, just well into the city Council needs

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Speaker 5: to get over themselves.

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Speaker 2: Can I just ask you something, just as a senior

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Speaker 2: minister did yesterday after the capital gains tax thing came out,

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Speaker 2: did twenty twenty six feel just so much more winnable

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Speaker 2: to you? Guys?

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Speaker 5: I've got to say it was quite good to you know,

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Speaker 5: have a bit of a fight, frankly, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Labor has been running this line for two years that

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Speaker 5: you know, if only we could just kind of go

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Speaker 5: back to the future, and you know, just everything would

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Speaker 5: be better if they were back in charge without any policy.

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Speaker 4: And you know, that's an easy line to run. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've been there, done that. You criticize it.

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Speaker 5: Criticism is easy, right, but actually governing is about policies

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Speaker 5: and having a substantive thing to do, and say, the

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Speaker 5: reality is they haven't had anything because they've got no

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Speaker 5: brand new ideas. And then here we go and you know,

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Speaker 5: we're about a year out from the election and it

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Speaker 5: turns out they have some ideas.

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Speaker 4: And it's just more of the same from what we

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Speaker 4: had before.

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Speaker 5: More tax, more spend, more debt, dumb ideas that were

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Speaker 5: rejected in the past and got some into this mess

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Speaker 5: in the first place. It's been quite good to throw

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Speaker 5: a few punches.

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Speaker 2: Mind the leaks, but thanks very much appreciate it, Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 2: Transport Ministers and if you haven't caught up with a

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Speaker 2: thing with Wellington City Council, what's happened is that n

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Speaker 2: ZTA has had well has made a couple of the

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Speaker 2: Wellington City Council staff as signed non disclosure agreements before

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Speaker 2: they told them anything about the Martin Vick changes. And

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Speaker 2: it's Geordie Geordie who is one of is it Jeordie

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Speaker 2: Rodgers who isn't he the guy from Renters United? Is

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Speaker 2: he a counselor? Now? Oh that says it all, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jeordie Geordie who's from Brinter's United, is now a Wellington

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Speaker 2: City councilor having a winge about that? Anyway, That's all

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Speaker 2: you need to know about that. M ZTA go for it,

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Speaker 2: do it? They need this thing changed. Listen, quick question

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Speaker 2: for you about what's going on with Prince Andrew. Has

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Speaker 2: anybody stopped to think and ask themselves this question? Why

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Speaker 2: is Buckingham Palace even trying to find a new house

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Speaker 2: for Fergie? Because the latest thing is Fergie doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to live in Frockmore Cottage with Andrew because it's I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to either. Rai's a creep and it's a

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Speaker 2: small place, so you're going to bump into him the

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Speaker 2: whole time. So she wants to live in Adelaide Cottage,

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Speaker 2: which is the one that that Wills and Kate moving

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Speaker 2: out of. And they were like, no, Adelaide College is

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Speaker 2: not on the table. You're not going to get that one.

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Speaker 2: But they are quote reportedly in discussions to find a

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Speaker 2: new home for Sarah Ferguson as negotiations continue over Prince

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Speaker 2: Andrew's residency at Royal Lodge. Why are they even doing this?

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Speaker 2: She's not one of them. She divorced them donkeys years

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Speaker 2: ago and then there was the toe sucking and all

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Speaker 2: the other weird stuff that's happened since then. At that point,

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Speaker 2: don't you just go you know what, Fergie, you've bludged

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Speaker 2: on us for ages. You're on your own. You're a muggle,

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Speaker 2: now go find your own lodgings. I just don't understand

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Speaker 2: these people. Quarter passed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, you're you're actually right. That's what it'll be.

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Speaker 2: It'll be you stay quiet, Fergie and don't sell your

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Speaker 2: to live. By the way, Chris Bishop was right. Changes reaver.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty thirteen. Changes were made in twenty thirteen. So

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Speaker 2: how long ago it was that we were still getting

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Speaker 2: the old six month check eighteen past four.

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Speaker 6: You got ice hockey in some parliamentarians from.

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Speaker 2: You're crossing your knees.

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Speaker 2: Which one did they cast? It was the left one,

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Speaker 6: Eight bolts and a piece of titanium was holding a

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Speaker 7: Like that, it doesn't stink.

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Speaker 8: We are.

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Speaker 7: I can't buy one for myself. It's got to be

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Speaker 6: So it's so pleased to be back and doing something

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no it is.

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Speaker 6: And the interesting thing around this, because this story hasn't

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Speaker 6: Surely we're not going to sit there and go, oh,

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Speaker 6: it's okay, you just overseen and absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what?

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Speaker 2: I've been sitting on this conspiracy theory all of last

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Speaker 6: Okay, I bring out the best and you don't I

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Speaker 2: I reckon that she has been brought back to clear

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Speaker 6: You're not the first person that said that to me recently.

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Speaker 7: Is the same Drew who sit.

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Speaker 6: There and go well, after six weeks of deep thought

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Speaker 6: Is anybody gonna stand there and go, actually, we really

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Speaker 4: But that's the other story.

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Speaker 6: What we're gonna look at tonight is win the game

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Speaker 2: Oh, they just keep going seven minutes and seven minutes.

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Speaker 6: Seven minutes and seven minutes, and then if that's all

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Speaker 6: first team with a two goal difference wins the game.

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Speaker 2: How long, just quickly, how long did that that baseball

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Speaker 7: It was eighteen innings?

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Speaker 7: There'll be I think if we still.

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Speaker 6: Had Matten here, had better tell you because he's an

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Speaker 2: A tape of game back to back basically, but it's.

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Speaker 6: Happened before, because about World Series Game three happened with

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Speaker 6: But Blue Jays bounced back. They had a win today

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Speaker 7: So it's all even to too the way that offers, okay,

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Speaker 6: And the black Cats are rolling the English right now.

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Speaker 2: It went for six hours thirty nine minutes.

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Speaker 7: Six hours thirty nine minutes. So that's ody introduce these

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darcy. It's nice to have you back, Darcy Water.

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Speaker 1: Hard Questions, Strong opinion here the Dupisy Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 1: Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Here, that doesn't Fergie have the corkies. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: complicating factor, isn't it Fergie's got the Cougies. I don't

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Speaker 2: need a decent house. Listen. Just come through from Judith Collins.

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Speaker 2: The New Zealand Defense Force has deployed a liaison officer

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Speaker 2: next steps in the Gaza peace steal. We'll work out

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Speaker 2: of a United States lead center focused on the next

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Speaker 2: Judith's got to say about that. For twenty six Now,

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Speaker 2: Good has been done to reduce emissions, yes, but too

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Speaker 2: much good money now is being put into expensive and

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Speaker 2: he said, if he was given a choice between eradicating

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Speaker 2: a degree increase in warming, he said, quote, I will

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Speaker 2: to get rid of malaria. Now he's done this just

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Speaker 2: for them be quite shocking. Anyway, we'll talk to Dan

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Speaker 1: News is next hot, digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: The issues with the teachers, with the teaching that Erica

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Speaker 2: to train them as well. Drives us old dogs insane.

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Speaker 2: As for the curriculum changes, well that is just teacher life.

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Speaker 2: That's a teacher's attitude I can live with. Hey, remember

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Speaker 2: I was telling you, Yester about that Maori Party truck

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Speaker 2: Well it turns out it's actually not the Maori Party's truck.

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Speaker 2: It's got their branding all over it, but it's not their.

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Speaker 2: The truck was brought in March by a guy called

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Speaker 2: Winyard Annie a nine Annia, a nunnia a nunnia. Winyard

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Speaker 2: Annia should have pre read that, and he bought it

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Speaker 2: then let the Maori Party use it, well, I think

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Speaker 2: in July, and that is presumably why it was repossessed,

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Speaker 2: because I'm assuming that people who die don't pay their bills.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't, as I said yesterday, the Maori Party

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Speaker 2: not paying their bills. Nothing to do with them at all,

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Speaker 2: by the looks of things. Was this chap who's passed

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Speaker 2: away Barrios opers with us in ten minutes time, twenty

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Speaker 2: four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: Israel and Tamas have accused each other of breaking the

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Speaker 2: Gaza truce, and Israeli soldier was injured in the shootout

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Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip and Israel laun air strikes in response.

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Speaker 2: Jodie Varnce says the Seaspire is still holding, but this

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Speaker 11: Where this becomes a problem for the Trump administration is

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Speaker 11: if Natnyahou does what his right flank of his government

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Speaker 11: coalition wants to do, which is start up the war

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Speaker 11: again and start taking territory back.

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Speaker 2: At least three people have died in Jamaica as a

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Speaker 2: result of Hurricane Melissa. Here's the local World Food Program Boss.

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Speaker 8: We're already starting to see images come in of homes

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Speaker 8: that have been destroyed, whole communities that have been flooded,

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Speaker 8: and there's a real sense of urgency, and I think

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Speaker 8: we're really only beginning to understand the scale of this catastrophe.

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Speaker 2: The storm was Category five when it was tearing through Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: It's now category four and it's headed for Cuba. And finally, Apes,

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Speaker 2: a potentially diseased lab monkey, is on the loose in Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: The monkey was part of a group of apes that

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Speaker 2: escaped from a truck after it crashed on an interstate highway.

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Speaker 2: The local police department has rounded up all but one

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Speaker 2: approach the monkey as it may be carrying HIPSI or

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Speaker 2: COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Jan Thekinson UIs correspondence with US.

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Speaker 12: Hello, Dan, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the latest from Hurricane Melissa.

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Speaker 12: Well, it looks like we're gonna have to update that

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Speaker 12: death toll from a three to seven right now. They're saying,

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Speaker 12: and the winds are about one hundred and thirty miles

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Speaker 12: an hour as it's heading towards Cuban. Like you mentioned,

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Speaker 12: it was a Category five storm. It had been downgraded

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Speaker 12: to a three. It is now back up to a four.

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Speaker 12: It looks like it could make landfall in the next

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Speaker 12: few hours. And the center is about one hundred and

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Speaker 12: ten miles southwest of Guantanamo. I got to tell you,

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Speaker 12: we haven't seen a storm like this since I think

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Speaker 2: What are you saying?

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Speaker 12: I mean powers out, buildings destroyed of flooding, landslides, trees

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Speaker 12: are down. TV reporters that are trying to do stand

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Speaker 12: ups like they always do in the center of these storms.

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Speaker 12: Are you just you can't see them because the rain

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Speaker 12: has just been so strong out there. I think they've

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Speaker 12: had something like maybe twenty inches of rain already in

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Speaker 12: the short period of time.

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Speaker 2: Well, that sounds incredible. Now, how has the Bill Gates

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Speaker 2: comments gone down in your part of the world.

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Speaker 12: Well, this is kind of interesting because you know, he's

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Speaker 12: been this big, sort of vocal proponent for reducing carbon emissions,

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Speaker 12: and he's saying, you know what, maybe we have to

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Speaker 12: turn our attention away from the battle against climate change instead.

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Speaker 12: He's saying that we need to invest in other things

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Speaker 12: like preventing disease and hunger. And you know, the Gates

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Speaker 12: Foundation has been doing that on and offer for a

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Speaker 12: number of years right now, but he said we should

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Speaker 12: deal with them in proportion to the suffering they cause.

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Speaker 12: And I think this caught a lot of people by

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Speaker 12: surprise because this has been something that Gates has been

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Speaker 12: pushing along with his ex wife for decades now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating about it, though, is that this is, as

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Speaker 2: you say, somebody who has been pushing for a while

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Speaker 2: on climate change who is now saying enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think happens.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I think that they're still going to invest in this.

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Speaker 12: I mean, this is going to be a big contrast

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Speaker 12: obviously from where he's been focusing his efforts and his

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Speaker 12: money to clean energy has been big. I think he's

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Speaker 12: going to maybe change the tone of the Gates Foundation

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Speaker 12: a little bit right now. I don't think he'll back

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Speaker 12: away completely from climate investment, but I think he's going

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Speaker 12: to probably maybe diversify would be the best way to

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Speaker 12: describe a lot of his resources. And it sounds like

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Speaker 12: more of his time and money too.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like he has absolutely timed this deliberately ahead

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Speaker 2: of COP thirty.

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Speaker 12: Right you would think, so, yeah, that's coming up what

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Speaker 12: about a week or so right now? And I think

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Speaker 12: that's going to be a topic of conversation that a

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Speaker 12: lot of countries are going to point at, especially those

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Speaker 12: who have been more for coal and oil as opposed

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Speaker 12: to wind and other natural forms of energy.

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Speaker 2: What is the hold up with the book that's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be coming from Joe Bald Biden's old pre sick.

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Speaker 12: Ah yes, uh, Queen Jean Pierre, And you know what,

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Speaker 12: I wish I could explain this to you better because

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Speaker 12: you're going to have to read the interview to do

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Speaker 12: it justice. Right now that has come out with the

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Speaker 12: h in the in the Times, it went viral and

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Speaker 12: nobody can actually figure out what it is that she

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Speaker 12: was actually seeing. It was kind of a word salad.

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Speaker 12: She was going back and forth talking about the Biden

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Speaker 12: White House and criticizing the party's lack of strategy and leadership,

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Speaker 12: and she said it was definitely a party that she

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Speaker 12: believed and she's still aligned with, but she doesn't really

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Speaker 12: doesn't like the direction that it's it's currently in right now,

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Speaker 12: which is why she decided she was going to go independent.

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Speaker 12: But I'll tell you, I mean trying to paraphrase this thing.

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Speaker 12: It's it's really like a whiplash of of answers and

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Speaker 12: sentences that just weren't really completed right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yep, I know the type.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you, Thanks very much. Dan

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Speaker 2: Mitchinson now US correspondent. By the way, on the Bill

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Speaker 2: Gates stuff, we're gonna have a chat to Adrian Macon,

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Speaker 2: who's a climate change professor who will be with us

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Speaker 2: just after the half past five years and give us

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Speaker 2: his take on how devastating it is to all just

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Speaker 2: put it in context, right, It's not devastating to normal

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Speaker 2: people what Bell Gates has said, but it is devastating

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Speaker 2: to the people who tell you that this is an

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Speaker 2: existential crisis. Climate change is going to wipe out humanity.

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Speaker 2: How devastating is it to them probably quite so he's

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Speaker 2: with us after half past five eighteen away from.

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Speaker 3: Five ever Dupulan.

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Speaker 2: The Taxpayers Union has called up a bunch of GP clinics. Oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I need to tell you A and Z.

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Speaker 2: If you're trying to get into your A and Z

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Speaker 2: banking app and you think there's something wrong, there is

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Speaker 2: something wrong. It's not working. You can't get in. But

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that you will get in at some stages.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's having the problems, not just you. Anyway, what I'm

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Speaker 2: what I'm trying to tell you is the Taxpayers Union

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Speaker 2: has called up a bunch of GP clinics today to

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Speaker 2: see if the GPS can possibly handle the extra work

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Speaker 2: that's going to be coming their way when labour starts

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Speaker 2: putting a capital gains tax on us and then giving

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Speaker 2: us three free GP visits a year. The answer, of course,

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Speaker 2: as we all could say could predict, is no. So

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Speaker 2: what that is? They randomly selected fourteen GP clinics across

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Speaker 2: the country and then they called them up and they

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Speaker 2: asked them when an enrolled patient could get the next

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Speaker 2: available appointment. The average wait time was more than a week.

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Speaker 2: It was six point four business days, so if you're

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Speaker 2: calling on a Monday, you're getting in on the what

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Speaker 2: the Tuesday afternoon? Right, two clinics couldn't offer a single

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Speaker 2: appointment for nearly a month. They reckon. This is the

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Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union reckon. Basically, what this tells us is that

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Speaker 2: the real barrier to primary healthcare is not the price

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Speaker 2: of the appointment, it's just getting an appointment. Barrisoper's next

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Speaker 2: seventeen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: It's fifteen away from five. Barrisoper, Senior political correspondence with

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Speaker 2: us ALLO Barry.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so one day after the CGT feeling better about

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Speaker 2: it today.

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Speaker 7: I don't know where the label will be feeling that

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Speaker 7: good about it actually, because there's been quite a lot

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Speaker 7: of criticism. But they've promoted another bill today they're bringing

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Speaker 7: in and that's the pay Transparency Bill, and that's been

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Speaker 7: brought than by Carmel Seppaloni, the women spokesperson for the party.

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Speaker 7: She says it will mandate pay gap reporting and will

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Speaker 7: require employers that's with businesses of more than one hundred

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Speaker 7: and fifty staff to list the pay rangers and job

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Speaker 7: adds that they put in the paper with the goal

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Speaker 7: of shining a light on disparities and accelerating progress on

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Speaker 7: equal pay. So there's another requirement on employers that will

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Speaker 7: be coming their way of flavor against the Treasury benches.

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Speaker 7: Chris Hopkins today said that reintroduce the fair pay agreements

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Speaker 7: and also equity bargaining. So that's all coming back, and

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Speaker 7: he said that's essentially not a bottom line. He wouldn't say,

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Speaker 7: but yesterday's leaked policy on the capital gains tax will

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Speaker 7: be a bottom line in coalition negotiations if they get

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Speaker 7: to that next after next year's election. So an unequivocal

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Speaker 7: Chris Sipkins made that statement today.

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Speaker 13: This is the policy that we are campaigning on and

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Speaker 13: this is the policy that we will implement if we

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Speaker 13: form government after the next election. Because I'm not a

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Speaker 13: complete pushover like Christopher Luxan. I don't think the smaller

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Speaker 13: parties should call all of the shots. I've been very

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Speaker 13: very clear under a Labor government, I will be the

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Speaker 13: Prime Minister, Barbara Edmonds will be the Minister of Finance.

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Speaker 13: That is not up for negotiation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the potential coalition partner, the Greens also see

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Speaker 7: a more widely scope capital gains tax and a wealth

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Speaker 7: tax is their bottom line, according to Chloe Swarbrick, which

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Speaker 7: will give us more than free doctors visits the three

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Speaker 7: free doctors visits a year.

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Speaker 14: So what the Greens have proposed is a tax on

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Speaker 14: the wealthiest three percent in this country. We can have

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Speaker 14: free GPS, free dental care, free early childhood education. We

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Speaker 14: can look after our environment and protect our climate and

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Speaker 14: have a ninety one percent income tax cut for a

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Speaker 14: tax cut for ninety one percent of New Zealanders. A

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Speaker 14: bottom line tends to mean that that's the starting point

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Speaker 14: and we'd like to go a lot further.

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Speaker 7: So there you go a lot of agreement in the

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Speaker 7: lead up.

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Speaker 2: The bottom lines. It's really exactly Hey, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of Winnie pay giving LUSO and nudge?

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Speaker 4: Well it was.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting, isn't it, Because like I've said before that

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Speaker 7: once Winston.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we've got a work at We've got the final

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Speaker 2: work at. England's out for one hundred and seventy five.

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Speaker 2: They playing, I just carry on, Barry.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sorry, where was I hither? I was being interrupted there?

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Speaker 7: But yes, the Winston is in Scandinavia at the moment

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Speaker 7: and Chris Luckson of course he's at the East Asia

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Speaker 7: summit while he was and quite a lumpur. Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: he said that he posted it on X that they're

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Speaker 7: all doing that these days, aren't they really? He said

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Speaker 7: that I've just done a deal whereas words with Southeast

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Speaker 7: Asian nations that will help grow our economy here at home.

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Speaker 7: Peters who say as I said in Scandinavia. He put

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Speaker 7: at the.

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Speaker 2: Top of that he reposted it, reposted we.

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Speaker 7: Is and that's we did.

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Speaker 2: He runs his own Twitter account, doesn't he he does?

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Speaker 2: Did he then did he do that after a few

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Speaker 2: whiskeys and then delete it?

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Speaker 7: Well, no, I wouldn't say that here. He wouldn't behave like.

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Speaker 2: That, but we obviously regretted it after doing it.

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Speaker 7: I find it. I find the whole thing incredible that

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Speaker 7: politicians now go on social media at the drop of

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Speaker 7: a hat. I mean, you know, honestly, to even say

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Speaker 7: that it was deleted, do even say it does undermine

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Speaker 7: what Chris.

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Speaker 2: Luxton, Peter's the Foreign Minister, has undermined the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Chris Luckson on so many things already, right, so it's not.

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Speaker 7: The boss, you know, he's the boss and anything that

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Speaker 7: has anything to do with the Foreign Office, it's Winston.

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Speaker 7: Chris Luckson should butt out. He's the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: And painting has starne. Okay, what do you think of

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Speaker 2: this New Zealand Initiative idea that we increase our our

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Speaker 2: parliament here is pamily was a fifty fifty to one

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Speaker 2: hundred seventy.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know they say it's the thirtieth anniversary of MMP.

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Speaker 7: Well it's actually not until next year. Is the thirtieth anniversary.

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Speaker 7: This is the New Zealand Initiative. And what they are

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Speaker 7: saying is that lock we've got a small parliament one

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Speaker 7: hundred and twenty MPs and we've got one hundred and

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Speaker 7: twenty three at the moment with the overhang, but they're

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Speaker 7: saying we should increase it to our one hundred and seventy. Well,

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Speaker 7: I looked up a number of countries and in fact

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Speaker 7: we are a very small parliament, yes, for five million people.

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Speaker 7: I mean Ireland has got several hundred MPs, they've got

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Speaker 7: two chambers. You look at Finland, the Nordic countries, they've

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Speaker 7: got over two hundred MPs for a similar sort of population.

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Speaker 7: So we are quite small, but for goodness sake, I

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Speaker 7: don't think we should have any more MPs than what

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Speaker 7: we've got at the moment.

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Speaker 2: The problem that we've got is we may have actually

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Speaker 2: quite a small parliament, but we have got an enormous

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Speaker 2: local body. Actually, there are one hundred and seventy politicians

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Speaker 2: in Auckland and those are just local body politicians. So

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to do a deal an ax and we

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Speaker 2: just take to local body politicians and we can have

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Speaker 2: more central.

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Speaker 7: We have to join the New Zealand Initiative, Heather and

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Speaker 7: give your views.

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Speaker 2: It's like fifty good idea, Ok, thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 15: Bury.

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Speaker 2: So for senior political correspondent, that uri it's the black

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Speaker 2: caps by the way, nine away from.

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Speaker 3: Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 3: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Less controversial than some of your higher school decisions and

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Speaker 1: subjects in the battle you've got going there?

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Speaker 3: Is that fair?

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Speaker 10: No, it's not controversial at all. I mean what we

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Speaker 10: have as a knowledge direct curriculum, it's been a few

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Speaker 10: years and the making. It's carefully sequenced. It lays out

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Speaker 10: what students have to know and what they need to

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Speaker 10: be able to do, and it's consistent so that every child,

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Speaker 10: no matter where they go to school, they get access

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Speaker 10: to quality learning and it's exciting and engaging and it's

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Speaker 10: a really exciting day. Knowledge builds on knowledge builds on knowledge.

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Speaker 10: So we have to be teaching children knowledge so that

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Speaker 10: they can then work towards those higher order skills that

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Speaker 10: businesses and universities and everybody like.

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Speaker 1: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather, my medical practice is in Palmestan, North. It's impossible

683
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Speaker 2: to get a doctor's appointment within a month, Heather, full

684
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Speaker 2: week wait time for the doctor's appointments In Tomato Nui, Heather,

685
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Speaker 2: there's a seven week wait time for the doctor's appointments

686
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Speaker 2: and fielding jeez. So yeah, Taxpayers Union is about right

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Speaker 2: with that one. Five away from six listen. The woman

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Speaker 2: who's done the country's first legal magic mushroom trip has

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Speaker 2: spoken to the media about her experience. Her name is

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Speaker 2: Alice Brent. She was diagnosed with depression when she was

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Speaker 2: eighteen years old. It doesn't say how old she is,

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Speaker 2: but I'm judging by the photos i'd say of late

693
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Speaker 2: fifties round about there. So she went, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you do a bit of psychotherapy sessions beforehand. You can't

695
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Speaker 2: just you can't just rock up and do this. By

696
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Speaker 2: the way, they have to vet, they have to select you.

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Speaker 2: You have to pay like twenty thousand dollars, so it's

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Speaker 2: quite expensive anyway. So she did her psychotherapy sessions. Then

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Speaker 2: she went along on dosing day. And on dosing day

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Speaker 2: they put her in a comfortable chair. They put a

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Speaker 2: throw on her, you know, make it feel nice and

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Speaker 2: comfy and warm. Put she takes the pill and then

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Speaker 2: she puts on an eyemask and some headphones, and two

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Speaker 2: clinicians are with her and they guide her through the session.

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Speaker 2: She says, everything else ceased to exist. It was like

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Speaker 2: I was in a green, beautiful forest with dappled sunlight.

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Speaker 2: And then the music changed, which really changed the dynamic.

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Speaker 2: I felt sorrow and I felt anger. They were big emotions.

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Speaker 2: I felt them to my core. There was a lot

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Speaker 2: of crying. I think I was tripping for about five hours,

711
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Speaker 2: and I don't think I was expecting the sorrow. She said.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't easy to do it. She said, she wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want to do it. She really wouldn't want to have

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Speaker 2: to go through that. Again. That was two weeks ago now,

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Speaker 2: So now what she's doing is the psychotherapy sessions. She reckons,

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Speaker 2: this is where the hard work begins. But it was

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Speaker 2: worth it to do this, She said, I felt I

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Speaker 2: was only sticking around, like as in staying alive. She

719
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Speaker 2: was so depressed. She was only sticking around in life

720
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Speaker 2: because other people wanted her to her kids and her

721
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Speaker 2: husband and so on. But now I want to I

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Speaker 2: want to see weddings and grandkids and travel and see

723
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Speaker 2: the world with John O, her husband, and that incredible.

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Speaker 2: So one of these sessions, one of these trips plus

725
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Speaker 2: a bit of psychotherapy, completely changed things for her. About

726
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Speaker 2: forty people were referred to this clinic. This is the

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Speaker 2: clinic in christ Church. In christ Church, A yeah, clinics

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Speaker 2: in christ Church. Forty people were referred, They screened them,

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Speaker 2: they selected about fifteen. Only seven of them are going

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Speaker 2: through it. So it is very select if you get

731
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Speaker 2: into this thing anyway, there you go first, one down,

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Speaker 2: more to come. There is a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: u turn, it would appear from the government on the

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Speaker 2: online gambling money. I remember how there was a problem

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Speaker 2: in the community groups worried they weren't going to get

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Speaker 2: any of the money and so on. Brook van Valden's

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Speaker 2: changed her mind. She's going to ring fence four percent

738
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Speaker 2: and give it to them. So we're going to have

739
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Speaker 2: a chat to the North Wellington Football Club about that shortly.

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Speaker 2: But first up the history teachers who are upset about

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Speaker 2: the curriculum. News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dupus Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News Talks That be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. So teachers resistance to the new school curriculum

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Speaker 2: is in full swing. The content for years zero to

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Speaker 2: ten was released overnight. One of the subjects that had

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Speaker 2: quite a few changes as history. Here's the Education Minister,

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford, on.

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Speaker 10: That you're now going to learn about the Stone Age

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Speaker 10: and the Romans and the Greeks and the Egyptians and

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Speaker 10: kings and queens and revolutions. It's really exciting.

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Speaker 2: Craig Thornhill is the chair of the History Teachers Association.

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Speaker 2: High Craig, are you as excited as Erica?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's certainly been an exciting day, get until you

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Speaker 9: see this new curriculum. Concerned is probably a better word.

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Speaker 2: What are you concerned about?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's all very well to say there's all this

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Speaker 9: new material there, but the key concerns that we have, well,

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Speaker 9: there's a few. So for starters, there's no conceptual framework

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Speaker 9: for this curriculum. There's lots of interesting topics and the

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Speaker 9: Minister has mentioned some of those, but they all seem

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Speaker 9: to be quite sort of freestanding, and there's no kind

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Speaker 9: of way for students to join the dots between those topics.

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Speaker 9: The other key concern is the sheer amount of content,

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Speaker 9: and for example, students in years zero to eight are

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Speaker 9: only going to have three hours a week to learn

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Speaker 9: this stuff, so I think that comes to about eighty

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Speaker 9: hours to cover everything that's in those curriculum year by year.

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Speaker 9: That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: How many hours do they have at the moment.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure about at the moment, but the new

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Speaker 9: curriculum does state that six hours per week will be

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Speaker 9: shared between social sciences and science, so really, if you

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Speaker 9: divvied up, it could be three hours a week for

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Speaker 9: a social studies teacher or a teacher to teach Yes

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Speaker 9: seven and eight social sciences, and if you've looked at

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Speaker 9: the curriculum you'll see there's quite a lot there.

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Speaker 2: Is it the case that because actors suggested that some

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Speaker 2: local history has been brought out of the curriculum in

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Speaker 2: order for some international history to be popped in? Is

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Speaker 2: that right?

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Speaker 9: Well, and I've really have only had a few hours

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Speaker 9: to look at this today, that does seem to be

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Speaker 9: the case.

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Speaker 2: Are you okay with that?

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Speaker 9: Local history really gives a good framework for students to

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Speaker 9: understand history so they can place it in their local context,

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Speaker 9: which they can really, you know, easily get to grips with.

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Speaker 9: So that is concerned that local history has been removed?

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Speaker 2: Is the problem here? I mean, is the problem here

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Speaker 2: the actual content or is it the time frame within

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Speaker 2: which you guys are having to do it?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 9: The timeframe is definitely a concern either Year nine and

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Speaker 9: ten teachers who might be history teachers and geograby teachers,

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Speaker 9: you know, they might have a good understanding of some

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Speaker 9: of this material. Primary school teachers who have done really

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Speaker 9: well to get up to speed with the artuto in

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Speaker 9: New Zealand history as curriculum in the last few years.

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Speaker 9: Now they're going to have to learn all of this

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Speaker 9: global history and the different geography stuff that hasn't been

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Speaker 9: included in the past. We are concerned that where's the

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Speaker 9: resourcing for this going to come. This is the draft

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Speaker 9: curriculum and it will be finalized at some point next year.

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Speaker 9: How long does that give the ministry to produce these resources.

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Speaker 9: It's a real concern that teachers are going to be

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Speaker 9: left hanging expected to teach this with no resourcing.

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Speaker 2: Craig, thanks very much appreciated, Craig Thornhill History Teachers Association.

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Speaker 3: Chair ever du for see Alan.

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Speaker 2: The government's done a u turn on the online gambling.

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Speaker 2: It's now offering to give a share of some of

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Speaker 2: the money to the community organizations. Now, under the original plan,

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Speaker 2: community groups and sports clubs would get no money from

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Speaker 2: the online gambling regulation. Now the minister says she'll tax

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Speaker 2: the providers an extra four percent, sh'll give it to

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Speaker 2: the groups. Fraser Kirby is the president of the North

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Speaker 2: Wellington Football Club and with us high Fraser, is this good?

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Speaker 2: Four percent? Is what you want?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Look, it's a step in the right direction. I think

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Speaker 17: the positive is that I guess all the community groups

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Speaker 17: that raise concerns around this have been listened to, and

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Speaker 17: then the bill has been revised accordingly in this moment

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Speaker 17: in time, and that's probably all that we can really

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Speaker 17: take out of it to be fair, right at this

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Speaker 17: moment now.

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Speaker 2: One of the concerns that you had was that you

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Speaker 2: guys were going to miss out on money. But I

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Speaker 2: can't see how you miss out on money. How does

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Speaker 2: it happen?

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Speaker 17: If this had gone through as it was proposed, anyone

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Speaker 17: gambling online, there would have been no money coming back

834
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Speaker 17: into the news community.

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Speaker 2: Do you get money from online gambling at the moment?

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Speaker 3: No, we don't know.

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Speaker 17: Miss out The assumption, The assumption is that people will

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Speaker 17: start to migrate from physical Pokeyes to online gambling.

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Speaker 2: Is online gambling available to us at the moment? I

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Speaker 2: believe it is, yes, Okay, so I still don't see

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Speaker 2: how you lose out. Then, if we can already choose

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Speaker 2: between online gambling and Pokeys, and in the future we

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Speaker 2: will choose between online gambling and Pokey's, how do you

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Speaker 2: miss out in the future.

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Speaker 17: The assumption is that people will move to online because

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Speaker 17: it's more accessible, and obviously the more people that do that,

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Speaker 17: the less people will be go out of that.

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Speaker 2: To be like four percent is a good deal then, yeah.

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Speaker 17: Look, I mean it's a from where it was to

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Speaker 17: where it is.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, nicely played, Fraser. Appreciate it. Fraser Kirby, President

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Speaker 2: North Wellington Football Club. I don't know. Listen, if somebody

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Speaker 2: out there can explain to me how online how community

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Speaker 2: groups were going to miss out, I'd really appreciate it

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Speaker 2: because it feels to me like this was just the

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Speaker 2: most epic PR campaign that just managed to get Brook

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Speaker 2: van Belden to do something. Twelve past five Heather do

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Speaker 2: for cells. So good play from Andrew Little. As the

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Speaker 2: Wellington mayor. He has just announced his deputy mayor, Ben McNulty,

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Speaker 2: but only for half the term, only for eighteen months.

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Speaker 2: In fact, all appointments at Wellington City Council will only

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Speaker 2: be for eighteen months. He hasn't said who will be

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Speaker 2: the deputy mayor at the eighteen month mark. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: said who's going to be the second deputy mayor, has

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Speaker 2: just said it might it's just eighteen months for Ben.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else gets a turn after eighteen months. Now. As

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Speaker 2: a mother of a toddler, can I just congratulate him

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Speaker 2: for the use of incentives here because what he's done

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Speaker 2: is the same thing that we all do with our

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Speaker 2: naughty children, don't we Because Wellington City Council is historically

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Speaker 2: famous for being very naughty lately naughtiest of all the

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Speaker 2: councils out there. And what we do is we say,

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Speaker 2: if you behave yourself for the rest of the day,

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Speaker 2: you will get a piece of chocolate in the bath.

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Speaker 2: And that's just basically what he's done. He said to

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Speaker 2: them all, if you are good for the next eighteen months,

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Speaker 2: you might get to be the next Deputy mayor. Well done,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Little five point thirteen. Heather, is it embarrassing for

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Speaker 2: Craig to have admitted that many of today's teachers have

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Speaker 2: no knowledge of world history and we'll have to learn

881
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Speaker 2: it themselves before they teach to the kids. What an

882
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Speaker 2: own goal. The legacy of crap curriculums over the past

883
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Speaker 2: forty years fair point to make. I think sixteen past

884
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Speaker 2: five now, this is a cool idea from Auckland City.

885
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: From this week there will be a bunch of retro

886
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Speaker 2: taxis cruising around giving people rides. This is an Auckland

887
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Speaker 2: giving people spontaneous rides into the CBD from nearby suburbs.

888
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: The taxi will then drop passengers at a surprise location

889
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Speaker 2: around town where they might even get vouchers to use

890
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Speaker 2: in this location while they're there. Viv Beck is the

891
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Speaker 2: CEO of Heart of the City, who are behind the

892
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Speaker 2: idea and with us. Now, hey, Viv, good after, Yeah,

893
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Speaker 2: good after. It's a very cool idea. Have you seen

894
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Speaker 2: this being rolled out somewhere else?

895
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Speaker 18: No, No, we were looking for a fun way to

896
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Speaker 18: get people back into the habit of coming straight to

897
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Speaker 18: the heart.

898
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Speaker 2: So the taxi, the taxi pecks. You do you just

899
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Speaker 2: stand there waiting for the taxi bait basically? Or can

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Speaker 2: you hail it like like you hail it like a thing?

901
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Speaker 19: Yeah?

902
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 18: Yeah, No, you don't need an app or anything. It's

903
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Speaker 18: a hail. You've put your hand up, look up the

904
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Speaker 18: driver and they'll stop and take you to So you.

905
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Speaker 2: Could be standing on that street corner for a long

906
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Speaker 2: time waiting for that taxi.

907
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Speaker 18: Well you could be. But it's a fun thing. It's

908
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 18: it's about the experience getting people back into the rhythm

909
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Speaker 18: of coming here. And and you know what cab drivers

910
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 18: are like, They've got lots of secrets. You'd love it.

911
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 18: They tell you all the things that they know about

912
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Speaker 18: the city and they take you to surprise location or

913
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Speaker 18: you can say where you want to go, but we're

914
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Speaker 18: trying to sort of yeah, you know you can. If

915
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Speaker 18: you really really wanted to go somewhere and protect it

916
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Speaker 18: in our area, you could.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

918
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 18: It's it's largely it's about a.

919
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Speaker 2: Surprise, Like do we have a lot of little nooks

920
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Speaker 2: and crannies and hidden bars and stuff like that, and.

921
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Speaker 8: You be it.

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Speaker 18: I reckon people who even think they know the place

923
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Speaker 18: would have a lot. There'd be a lot of surprise.

924
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Speaker 2: And tell me that you've discovered lately, was it? Tell

925
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Speaker 2: me when you've discovered lately?

926
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Speaker 18: Well, this isn't sort of a hidden one, but I

927
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Speaker 18: tell you what, I think, it's very exciting that Favachia

928
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Speaker 18: back in Debrett Hotel. Well, and I've just been reading

929
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Speaker 18: about the heyday of high Street. They've got their centenary

930
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Speaker 18: at the hotel and that's pretty exciting. Well, they were

931
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Speaker 18: talking about it sort of in the eighties. Really, the

932
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Speaker 18: sort of a lot of the article was about the eighties,

933
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Speaker 18: you know, the big here here days, but lots and

934
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Speaker 18: lots of fun to be had around the high Street

935
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Speaker 18: area and the Vatchi back in Debrett is a very

936
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Speaker 18: cool development, you know, a sad story through COVID, but

937
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Speaker 18: a very happy one and they're very very welcome. I

938
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Speaker 18: can now be.

939
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Speaker 7: Back with us.

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Speaker 2: How do we know what taxi work like so that

941
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Speaker 2: we're not just randomly hailing like a flash gangsters car.

942
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Speaker 18: How do we know what we Well, they're pretty distinctive.

943
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Speaker 18: They're sort of a retro look. You can't miss them.

944
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Speaker 18: We can send you a we can send you a

945
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Speaker 18: little teaser to see what they're about to look like.

946
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Speaker 18: They'll be in select locations, but you can. We'll be

947
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Speaker 18: sort of tracking their stories a bit on our social media,

948
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Speaker 18: and we're looking for people that just want to have

949
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Speaker 18: a bit of and like experiences.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea Ofviv. Thanks very much,

951
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Speaker 2: Viv Beckhart of the City CEO. It's kind of cool.

952
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Speaker 2: It's like one of those mystery weekends in New Zealand

953
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Speaker 2: used to do when any New Zealand was still cool.

954
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Speaker 2: Here we go, here's an explanation.

955
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Speaker 4: Hither.

956
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Speaker 2: The issue is that the new online gambling operators with

957
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: licenses will then be able to advertise, and they'll be

958
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Speaker 2: able to do this legally and The assumption is that

959
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: this could potentially take revenue from Pokey's or Lotto, both

960
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Speaker 2: of which return profits to community groups. So the idea

961
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Speaker 2: basically is you can already got online gamble, but now

962
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: when the regulation kicks in, they can advertise at you

963
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: and try to get your business and steal your business

964
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Speaker 2: away from the Pokeys. Which is fair, but to which

965
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Speaker 2: I would say in reply, if you are dealing with

966
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Speaker 2: like significant amounts of money that people are pumping into

967
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Speaker 2: the old one arm bandits or now alternatively the online

968
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Speaker 2: those people have gambling addictions, right, they already knows you

969
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Speaker 2: don't have to advertise at them. They already know it's online.

970
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: So really, how much money is it actually going to steal?

971
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Speaker 2: Is the actual thing here that as life goes on,

972
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: we will naturally migrate away from Pokey's and onto our

973
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: phone os and doing it online because that's going to

974
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Speaker 2: happen anyway, And the regulation Brook van Velden's proposing is

975
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Speaker 2: not actually the thing that changes life. It's just the

976
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Speaker 2: fact that you have a phone.

977
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Speaker 20: Five twenty the day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather

978
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Speaker 20: du for see Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and

979
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Speaker 20: the Power of Satellite Mobile News, Stork said.

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Speaker 2: Be England's just taken a work at the wicket of

981
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Speaker 2: Will Young out for a duck and zero for one.

982
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Speaker 2: Now no, hod on, what is it? Yes? It is okay,

983
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Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, it's not great. This is not a gun.

984
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: I was like, that cannot be real. No, that is real.

985
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: It is zero for one five twenty three. If yesterday

986
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Speaker 2: told us anything, listen, if any If yesterday told us anything,

987
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: it's that National doesn't have to replace Chris Luxen as

988
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: urgently as some in the party was saying that they

989
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: had to just a couple of weeks ago, because if

990
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Speaker 2: Labor carries on like they did yesterday, National is probably

991
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: going to be fine for next year, aren't they. That chat,

992
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: by the way, was real. There really are seeing your

993
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 2: people within the party who think that Chris Luxen needs

994
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: to be replaced. And from the sounds of things, they

995
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: were starting to get pretty ang in the last few

996
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: weeks because of the recent polls showing Labor pulling ahead

997
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: and Luckxon getting less popular. Surely they're going to be

998
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: feeling a little better today because what we learned yesterday

999
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: is Labor looks credible until they start talking the minute

1000
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: they start releasing policy at Go South yesterday, they couldn't

1001
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: even get the policy out without it being leaked first.

1002
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Then they did manage to get it out and it

1003
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Speaker 2: was the same old company your money that Labour always

1004
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: reverts to. And then Chippy wasn't at all credible on

1005
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: it when he had to start answering questions. Same with

1006
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: the last week when the Doctor's policy got released before

1007
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: Chippy was even ready for it. Now, this doesn't actually

1008
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: solve National's problem all together. Luxon is still unpopular by

1009
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: previous Prome minister standards, but I'd have to wonder does

1010
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: he not look quite as bad when you see what

1011
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: the alternative is now? Is it possible that Labor has

1012
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: actually saved Luxen's skin by sending voters back to National

1013
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: by just being basically predictable money grabbers and then incompetent

1014
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: and competent or lord incompetent at explaining.

1015
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: It, Heather, do see that is funny?

1016
00:45:59,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 21: Ah?

1017
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: And you can't even say incompetent And your job is

1018
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: to say incompetent on the raid, I can't do it.

1019
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: I've completely I've got there's.

1020
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 15: Got to be a word for that.

1021
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: No, there's got to be a word for this thing.

1022
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: It's like when you see epitome and you say epitome

1023
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: or hyper bowl and you see you say you say

1024
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: it like but now I've anyway, So I've got that yet, kids.

1025
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 15: So I think I did that one on the show once.

1026
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: I think Chippy can laugh at me right now and go,

1027
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you who are you calling in compertent? Have

1028
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: we got a problem with the wicked? Have we got

1029
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: a problem with the wicket? No, it looks like they

1030
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: almost took a wicket again anyway, they had a little

1031
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: bit of a decided No, it's just a why I

1032
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: never mind, don't worry about that now. As was just

1033
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: saying to me that there is actually some surprising, some

1034
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: surprising little places that you can find in Auckland, like

1035
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: what was it ants.

1036
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 15: Sly sly Bar on k Road. They're not paying me

1037
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 15: for this, so you're welcome, sly No.

1038
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Speaker 2: What we're trying to do is just let you know

1039
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: that there are cool places out there that that there

1040
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: that people know about that you don't know about. And

1041
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: maybe you can take one of the taxis to this place.

1042
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: So sly bars is Ants is two doors down from

1043
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: Coco's cantena to the what the left or the right?

1044
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 15: Oh, yeah, you're facing south, then it's to the left.

1045
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, but what do you have to do to

1046
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: open the door?

1047
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 15: Well, so I don't know how often they do this,

1048
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 15: because sometimes they leave the door open to get people in.

1049
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 15: But there's just a big wall with pictures on it,

1050
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 15: and you have to find the right picture frame and

1051
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 15: then pull it to open the wall because it's like

1052
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 15: a speakeasy style, right.

1053
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to pull the picture frame. So

1054
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: next time, if you see one of these little weird

1055
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: taxis cruising around and you think, oh, I might just

1056
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: catch a taxi, catch the taxi, take it to that place,

1057
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: pull one of the picture frames and then you go

1058
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: and welcome.

1059
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: You're welcome.

1060
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Answer has done that for you? Can I give a

1061
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: shout out please to the ladies in the firefighters who

1062
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: have got their kiss off for the first New Zealand

1063
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: Female Professional Firefighters calendar because they're raising money for breast cancer. Now,

1064
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: this is what I like about this is that for

1065
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: the longest time we're beginning now, you shouldn't be objectifying men.

1066
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: You should shouldn't we shouldn't be doing it, shouldn't be

1067
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: objectifying people's bodies, and the ladies have just gone, you

1068
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: know what, bugger it? So they took the tops oft

1069
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: and they and all they've got on is a br

1070
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: and the pants and the boots and they're sitting there

1071
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: and part Now. It's not as sexy as the men's ones,

1072
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: because if you've looked at the men's ones, please use

1073
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: this as an excuse to go and look at the

1074
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: men's ones. If you look at the men's ones, you go,

1075
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: are you actually a firefighter or just a professional model?

1076
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: What is going on here? I mean, they have lubed

1077
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: their bodies up with oil and they've hatched their pants

1078
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: down to like you're like, lord, that's very close to

1079
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: showing us too much, and they're doing sexy poses. The

1080
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: ladies haven't gone quite like they're not Yeah, they're not

1081
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: quite that on board with it. Like the ladies are

1082
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: a bit more demure. But hey, you know, it's the

1083
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: first one and we can always hope for something next year.

1084
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: Got on your ladies, own it. If you've got the

1085
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: body flaunted, get your guns out right. We're going to

1086
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: talk about climate change next, to talk about bringing the

1087
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: tone down, a talk about making your blood pressure drop immediately. Anyway,

1088
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: what Bill Gates said next.

1089
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

1090
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: It's hell duplicy. Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

1091
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: like no one else us talks.

1092
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: They'd be I.

1093
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 14: Swear to God ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Nightingale tax X. But he was actually on the

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Speaker 2: he was on the Tax Working Group, remember the Michael

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Speaker 2: Cullen Tax Working Group he was on that. He's going

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Speaker 2: to be with us after six o'clock and just talk

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Speaker 2: us through whether the CGT is going to bring in

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Speaker 2: as much money as labor thinks it is. The debate

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Speaker 2: has got personal today, by the way, Chippy has just

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00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: said of Chris Luxen that he earned more from Capital

1102
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: Games last year by selling four houses than he earned

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Speaker 2: as Prime Minister. We will discuss this with the huddle

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Speaker 2: shortly twenty four away from six now. Bill Gates has

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Speaker 2: today shocked some by pushing back at climate change doomsayers

1106
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Speaker 2: in quite spectacular fashion. He's released an essay arguing that

1107
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Speaker 2: we worry too much about climate change we should instead

1108
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Speaker 2: focus on more urgent things like fixed hunger. He says

1109
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Speaker 2: climate change will not lead to humanity's demise, poverty, and

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Speaker 2: disease are a bigger threat. Adrian Macy is Victoria University's

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Speaker 2: adjunct professor, Professor of Climate Change and with US High

1112
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Speaker 2: Adrian after Heather, is he right in saying it will

1113
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Speaker 2: not wipe out humanity?

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Speaker 21: Well interesting that the new head of the head of

1115
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Speaker 21: the IPC sing and that's that science of the body

1116
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Speaker 21: that looks at the science and advises the world. Jim Scare.

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Speaker 21: One of the first things that he said when he

1118
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Speaker 21: came into the position was, look, it's not it's not

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Speaker 21: the end of humanity. You know, if if there's more

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Speaker 21: degrees or warming, then we're planning for. But I would

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Speaker 21: say that Gates is not saying, so let's stop, let's

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Speaker 21: stop worrying about climate change per se. If you look

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Speaker 21: at if you look at what he's been doing, he's

1124
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 21: put huge amounts of money into really positive stuff, no

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Speaker 21: energy transformation stuff and developing country and he's still arguing

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Speaker 21: for that. But I think, I think what his message

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00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 21: is to my mind quite a come to me, quite so,

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Speaker 21: quite a reality check of these cops. I mean, we

1129
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 21: we have this thing every year now where as we

1130
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 21: go towards the end of the year, we have everyone

1131
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 21: saying look, things are far worse, and we thought we're

1132
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 21: missing all that targets. This is the very last chance

1133
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 21: to save the planet. We send up to one hundred

1134
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Speaker 21: thousand people somewhere in the world for two weeks, who

1135
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Speaker 21: then fail to save the planet. I mean, this year,

1136
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 21: we're having this huge gathering, massive expense in the middle

1137
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Speaker 21: of the Amazon rainforest. I mean, to me, it's something

1138
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 21: of an absurdity. So I'm rather on Bill Gate's side here.

1139
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 21: But definitely he's not saying don't worry about climate.

1140
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Speaker 2: No, I don't know, he's not Adrian, He's no one

1141
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: saying he's saying that. He's He's not saying don't worry

1142
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: about climate change. He's saying, be proportionate in your worry

1143
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Speaker 2: about climate change. Is he right that we've been disproportionate.

1144
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Speaker 21: I think what we've done well. I would be with

1145
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Speaker 21: him on one thing, this total focus on targets and timetables,

1146
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Speaker 21: which is all about you go along to a cop

1147
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 21: and you say, well, we're going to do x percent

1148
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Speaker 21: by a year. Why the big question is what are

1149
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Speaker 21: you doing now? How are you trans what are you

1150
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 21: doing to transition your economy renewable energy? What are you

1151
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 21: doing on agriculture, and that's that's the thing. And I

1152
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 21: see what he's saying is, yes, have a bit more

1153
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 21: of an don't assume it's going to be armaged. And

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Speaker 21: if we sail past the one point five degrees, which

1155
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 21: we have already, but think about the positive things that

1156
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Speaker 21: you need to do. So I think it's a pretty

1157
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 21: to my mind, a pretty practical message.

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Speaker 2: Tell me something, Adriana, what is your your take on

1159
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: what appears to be the Overton windows shifting on climate change?

1160
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 21: Well, if you, yeah, then the messages are coming in

1162
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Speaker 21: pretty consistently. I mean you've got, of course, the big thing.

1163
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Speaker 21: When you've got the world's biggest economy pulls out of

1164
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Speaker 21: the Powers agreement, we're really what what at the moment,

1165
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Speaker 21: who's determining the future of temperatures more like China and

1166
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Speaker 21: developing countries. But you're finding this message, even which they're

1167
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Speaker 21: having difficulties within Europe at the moment getting agreement on

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Speaker 21: these or more ambitious targets. And I think there is

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Speaker 21: a if you like to go to some of the

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Speaker 21: Maslow hierarchy of needs, you've got cost of living crises,

1171
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 21: and you've got wars everywhere side exaggeration, but you these

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Speaker 21: these things are taking that there and people's consciousns more.

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Speaker 21: I think climate changes slip down a little in people's consciousness.

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Speaker 21: So yeah, that's that's the fair point, Adrian.

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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for your time.

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Adrian Macy, who is an adjunct professor of climate

1179
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Speaker 2: change at Victoria University. Twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

1181
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Speaker 1: one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening we have Morris

1183
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Speaker 2: Williams and Auckland councilor and Jack Tame, host of Q

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Speaker 2: and A and Saturday Mornings here on z B. Hello

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Speaker 2: you too any how Refreshing Morris is Bill Gates.

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Speaker 22: Oh, it's fantastic. I love the man and I think

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Speaker 22: he's just saying, let's put it in proportion instead of

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Speaker 22: it being the we're all doomed and we're all going

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Speaker 22: to die and the world's coming to an end, because

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Speaker 22: that's how it was being trade at some point. Yes,

1191
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 22: we've got to do things. Yes, we've got to do

1192
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 22: things that make sense. Yes, science will actually allow us

1193
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 22: to change how much an animal farts and so on.

1194
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 22: But let's actually just not sort of run into the

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Speaker 22: dark room and think it's all coming to an end, Morris.

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Speaker 2: For somebody like you who's in a position like Auckland Council,

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Speaker 2: is this going to help you, like the fact that

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Speaker 2: there are more and more people coming out and say,

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Speaker 2: whoa like this needs to just we need to calm

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Speaker 2: our farm on this and people like Bill Gates, Is

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: this going to help you to be able to resist

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Speaker 2: some of the nuttier ideas that you come up against

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Speaker 2: that council level.

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Speaker 22: I hope so. I hope so, because in the end,

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Speaker 22: one of the facts that I quite use regularly is

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Speaker 22: that if New Zealand was to disappear off the planet

1207
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Speaker 22: tomorrow and not be here, then in twelve days time,

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Speaker 22: just the growth and the missions in China, India and

1209
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Speaker 22: the Middle East alone would have made up for the

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00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 22: entire emissions of New Zealand. So we'd be back to

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Speaker 22: exactly where we were in twelve days time. So we

1212
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Speaker 22: could wipe New Zealand completely off the planet and it

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Speaker 22: would make no different. Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't

1214
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Speaker 22: do things. We should do things that are sensible, should

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Speaker 22: do things that are in the cost of benefit ratios

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Speaker 22: in terms of it, And there's lots that can be done,

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Speaker 22: but let's not sort of sort of flagellate ourselves and we're.

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Speaker 2: A here shirt now, Jack, do you remember what we

1219
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Speaker 2: were talking about last week?

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Speaker 23: Climate change?

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Speaker 2: You and I were talking about climate change and how

1222
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Speaker 2: the thing just has to kind of swing wildly to

1223
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Speaker 2: one side and the other and then settle in the middle.

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Speaker 2: This is more of us just settling in the middle,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: I think so. Actually, yeah, I mean I think, having

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Speaker 23: breathed through Bill Gates's comments, I think for the most part,

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Speaker 23: he is pretty reasonably coming down to a kind of

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Speaker 23: a practical response point. I mean, it's true that if

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Speaker 23: we blow through one point five degrees warming, which I

1232
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Speaker 23: think pretty clearly we have, it's not like the world

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Speaker 23: is going to end. I still think there is a

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Speaker 23: wealth of evidence that suggests that the more warming we see,

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Speaker 23: the greater the impact, and I think it is in

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Speaker 23: humanity's collective interest to try and reduce those impacts as

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Speaker 23: much as possible. But you know, I think it's also

1238
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Speaker 23: pretty clear that that there are all manner of crises

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Speaker 23: facing the planet, you know, in the immediacy of this moment,

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Speaker 23: and it's pretty natural that human beings want to respond

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Speaker 23: to those as well. So yeah, yeah, I think for

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Speaker 23: the most part.

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Speaker 2: Reason Jack, there will be you will have friends, right

1244
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: because you've got some You've got some lefty friends. You

1245
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: will have friends who genuinely will be upset with him

1246
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Speaker 2: for saying that it's not going to wipe out humanity.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: There are people who actually believe it's an existential crisis for.

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Speaker 3: Humans, right.

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Speaker 23: I mean, I don't have any friends, full stop. I

1251
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 23: don't have many friends, full stop. So I'm sure that

1252
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Speaker 23: I'm sure there are people who think that it is

1253
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Speaker 23: a looming existential crisis. Absolutely, And I think if global

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Speaker 23: warming were at the absolute top end of you know,

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Speaker 23: some of the early initial estimates, you know, if we're

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Speaker 23: looking at five or six degrees, there's arguments that can

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Speaker 23: be made that you know, see current so irreversibly changed,

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Speaker 23: or bees die or whatever that could lead to an

1259
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Speaker 23: existential crisis. I don't think we're facing an existential crisis

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Speaker 23: anytime soon. And there'll be some people who say that

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Speaker 23: Bill Gates saying this will distract us from the immediate

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Speaker 23: priority of reducing emissions. I go back to my first point.

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Speaker 23: I think Bill Gates would agree that the more we

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Speaker 23: can reduce warming, the better for all of us, the

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Speaker 23: better for the state of our species. But the mere

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Speaker 23: fact that we've gone through one point five doesn't mean

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Speaker 23: that we.

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Speaker 3: Are all doomed.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 10: All.

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Speaker 15: Right, listen, I want to.

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Speaker 2: Morris, you're loving this as much as me I can tell. Right,

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Speaker 2: we're going to discuss the teachers. Next stand By sixteen

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Speaker 2: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

1276
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Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen away from six. Back with the huddle, Marris Williams

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Speaker 2: and Jack Tay Morris. What's up with the teachers? And

1279
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: they're winging over the curriculum.

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Speaker 22: Look, it's disappointing, but I guess everybody feels sort of

1281
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Speaker 22: nervous about change. I think when Erica did the maths

1282
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Speaker 22: and the English stuff, there was the same level of Oh,

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Speaker 22: we don't want this, and this is too much and

1284
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 22: we are not equipped for it. And she made it

1285
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Speaker 22: clear that if proper resources were made available, and if

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Speaker 22: professional learning and development was given to every one of

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Speaker 22: the teachers so they could participate in it properly. I now,

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Speaker 22: I think that's gone exceedingly well and good honor. I

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Speaker 22: think she's one of the best ministers this government's got

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Speaker 22: by far, and good on and now to start extending

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Speaker 22: it into things like history, for example, and start to

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Speaker 22: teach history across the board, history including a bit of

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Speaker 22: international history as well, well done. And I just think

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Speaker 22: as long as the teachers are resourced for it, they

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Speaker 22: sent on a professional learning and development so they can

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Speaker 22: teach it and the resource materials there, then they really

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Speaker 22: should just get with the program.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 23: I think it's just really hard to separate the criticisms

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Speaker 23: from the context.

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Speaker 3: And by that I mean we're in the middle of.

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Speaker 23: Industrial action for starters, so the relationship between the teacher

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Speaker 23: unions and the government's.

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Speaker 3: Not exactly in a great place.

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Speaker 23: But as an outsider, I also find it really tricky

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Speaker 23: to distinguish legitimate criticism from what sometimes feel like reactive

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Speaker 23: opposition to a national government. But when was the last

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Speaker 23: time like the teachers or teacher unions came out and

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Speaker 23: said that a national leag government was doing something good.

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Speaker 23: And that's not to say that their criticisms of the

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Speaker 23: curriculum are all unfounded, because I'm sure there are some

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Speaker 23: legitimate criticisms or concerns and all of this, but from

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Speaker 23: an outsider's perspective, it does feel like the teacher unions

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Speaker 23: always criticize national led government, you know, policy decisions, and

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Speaker 23: as a result, it's quite difficult to distinguish what might

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Speaker 23: be good, well founded, legitimate criticisms from some stuff that

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Speaker 23: feels more politically motivated.

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Speaker 2: Do you mean like when the pe teachers complain that

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Speaker 2: the new curriculum has too much physical activity in.

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Speaker 23: It, Well, essentially, yeah. Do you know another thing, I

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Speaker 23: always Rema New Zealand and after I am after they

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Speaker 23: announced the new qualification, and look, we haven't seen all

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Speaker 23: the meat on the bone with a new qualification. But

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Speaker 23: I just went through the archive and looked up what

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Speaker 23: the teaching and said about NCAA when that was reduced.

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Speaker 23: And of course when that was introduced, they were really

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Speaker 23: critical of NCAA and they were like, this is a

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Speaker 23: terrible change, this is going to be a disaster. And

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Speaker 23: now of course an NCAA is being replaced with a

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Speaker 23: new qualification. They're saying, no, NCAA is great, like this

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Speaker 23: is all this isn't necessarily good. And so my point

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Speaker 23: is just that, like if from time to time the

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Speaker 23: teachers came out and said, actually, yes, this National Government

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Speaker 23: lead decision is a really good thing and this is

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Speaker 23: going to improve educational outcomes, then I would find some

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Speaker 23: of their criticisms a little better. Founders, you know what

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Speaker 23: I mean.

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Speaker 2: I hear yeah, I hear yah. Now, Maurice, what do

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Speaker 2: you make of Chippy making it personal with Luxel? I

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Speaker 2: mean that was with a CGT. That was probably always

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Speaker 2: going to happen, wasn't it, because he is very wealthy.

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Speaker 22: I'm one of these people who think if you have

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Speaker 22: to make anything in politics personal, then you've lost the debate.

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Speaker 22: I only ever got thrown out of Parliament once in

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Speaker 22: my whole thirty years, and that's because I didn't wear

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Speaker 22: a tie on Wellington's tylist. I never got stuck into

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Speaker 22: people about anything to do with their personal lives or

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Speaker 22: anything else. And you can check my record on But

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Speaker 22: if you've got a good debate, then you've got really

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Speaker 22: good facts to back up your debate, then use them

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Speaker 22: and prove what's wrong about the other side or what's

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Speaker 22: good about yours. Get into the personal stuff. You've just

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Speaker 22: lost the debate.

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Speaker 2: In my view, I thought of you yesterday, Jack, because

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Speaker 2: I know you love a CGT. So how'd you feel?

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Speaker 2: Was it a happy day?

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Speaker 23: I don't love a CDT.

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Speaker 3: I don't know a CGP.

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Speaker 2: You do know that one of your most famous moments

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Speaker 2: on the show predates me. It was when the CG

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Speaker 2: your discussion with Laz about the CGT, and he'd never

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Speaker 2: seen the text machine go go mad like that because

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Speaker 2: you were you remember that well?

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Speaker 23: I mean, I do think there is a reasonable argument

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Speaker 23: that you could say that the New Zealand tax system

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Speaker 23: is relatively well balanced, but that we tax almost all

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Speaker 23: forms of income except for one. And I think if

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Speaker 23: productivity is the big problem that New Zealand governments have

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Speaker 23: successive governments of face and have sworn that they would FAX,

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Speaker 23: then at the very least bringing us in line with

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Speaker 23: other countries when it comes to a CGT is worth considering.

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Speaker 23: That being said, I reckon the policy yesterday was about

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Speaker 23: as safe as my statement just then in that I

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Speaker 23: don't think, at first Blush, it looks like it's going

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Speaker 23: to meaningfully move the dial in any directions.

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Speaker 2: How it works?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, exactly, Well, well, this is the thing though, right

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Speaker 23: Like they'll just come out and say, yeah, we're not

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Speaker 23: going to extend, we're committing to not extending it in

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Speaker 23: our first term or whatever and try and blunt those criticisms.

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Speaker 23: I just don't think solely from a political perspective, that

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Speaker 23: it's meaningfully going to cost them massive numbers of votes,

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Speaker 23: meaningfully going to win the massive numbers of votes, or

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Speaker 23: meaningfully going to change New Zealand's productivity equation in the

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Speaker 23: short term.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Morris? Do you reckon new Zealand's

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Speaker 2: ready to love it? Because the people in Wellington keep

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Speaker 2: on texting me and not on new Zealand's ready for

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Speaker 2: a CGT people love it. I don't know I do it.

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Speaker 22: I don't think they love it at all. And I

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Speaker 22: think if you're one of these lawyers in the property area,

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Speaker 22: you can try a tractor through this. I mean, first,

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Speaker 22: what's the definition of a family home? What if you're

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Speaker 22: just living with the person rather than married, And that's

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Speaker 22: very popular these days. They own a house, and you

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Speaker 22: own a house, which is which? So do you have

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Speaker 22: to actually dwell it? And then they have to have

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Speaker 22: government inspectors to come and make sure you're living in

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Speaker 22: that house, and not just saying it. I mean you

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Speaker 22: can divorce your husband and both own a property in

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Speaker 22: the future, and in the end, one of your kids,

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Speaker 22: if they're old enough, can own the property or whatever.

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Speaker 22: And then how do you accommodate all the money you've

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Speaker 22: spent on maintenance and improvements over the years. Now it

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Speaker 22: says you can have that deducted. Who keeps all the

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Speaker 22: bloody receipts?

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Speaker 2: We all are now, aren't we?

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Speaker 15: Though?

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Speaker 2: That's going to happen to reduce that?

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Speaker 22: I thought, if you're ever going to launch a new policy,

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Speaker 22: that has got to be the Titanic of all policy launches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's distinct faces on yesterday for sure. Guys. It's

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Speaker 2: wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack and Morris.

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Speaker 2: The huddle this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 2: They were going to drive us into poverty. Thank God,

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Speaker 2: Thank heavens. Bill Gates is calling out the hysteria. That text,

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Speaker 2: are paying so much for your electricity is because of

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Speaker 2: the old ets or climate change stuff. Yay for all

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Speaker 2: of us. Hey, have you caught up on the drama

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Speaker 2: that's going on with the Joy Division T shirt? Albanize's

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Speaker 2: Joy Division T shirt over in Australia, Lord Buff So

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Speaker 2: he got off a plane and I mean, like he's

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Speaker 2: a daggy dad, right, like guys of his age should

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Speaker 2: not be wearing band T shirts anymore for God's sake,

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Speaker 2: go to as colour, get yourself a black one where

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Speaker 2: that stop wearing. Yay, you like Joy Division, You're not

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Speaker 2: cooled whatever anyway heat but it's what they do when

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Speaker 2: they're that age. And so he's got a little Joy

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Speaker 2: Division T shirt on show everybody. I'm still a cool dad.

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Speaker 2: And it comes down the plane. Well, Susan Lee does

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Speaker 2: not like it, the opposition leader and she starts criticizing

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Speaker 2: him for antisemitic connotations. Now it's a long bow, okay,

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Speaker 2: because apparently back in the world Second World War, the

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Speaker 2: women who were doing you know, in the concentration camps,

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Speaker 2: you know the Comfort Ladies, they were called the Joy Division,

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Speaker 2: and apparently he was made aware of that in a

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Speaker 2: podcast in twenty twenty two. So the inferences that he

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be wearing the T shirt anymore because now he

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Speaker 2: knows what the Joy Division means, Well, that's such a

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Speaker 2: long bow that, as you can imagine, it's divided the coalition.

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Speaker 2: Some liberal MPs are privately questioning Susan Lee's judgment, as

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Speaker 2: they should. If you haven't a Cracker Joy Division T shirts,

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Speaker 2: you're probably on flimsy ground, I would say. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's happening over there at the moment. As I said,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the CGT next. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you were listening to Nikola Willis yesterday, you will recall

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willis has questioned whether the Labor Party is actually

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Speaker 2: going to be able to bring in as much money

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Speaker 2: as they say they are from the capital gains tax

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Speaker 2: because Chippy said to me yesterday this rollover relief. She

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Speaker 2: doesn't think that's in the workings from the original Tax

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Speaker 2: Working Group, which they've borrowed the idea from. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to Jeff Nightingale next, who was a tax

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Speaker 2: expert who was on the Tax Working Group and hopefully,

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Speaker 2: hopefully he will be able to answer that question for

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Speaker 2: US news is next News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Talk said be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour, Milford asset

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Speaker 2: management of the signs the hard data that the economy

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Speaker 2: is actually finally improving. Janet tub Charini with some analysis

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Speaker 2: on the capital gains tax and how the money is

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Speaker 2: going to be spent, and then we'll go to Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray in the UK at seven past six. Now there

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Speaker 2: is some concern that Labour's capital gains tax might not

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Speaker 2: bring in as much money as they hope. On the

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Speaker 2: show last night, Nikola Willa said Labour's policy was already

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Speaker 2: falling apart.

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Speaker 16: Based on their own statements today. They've based their costings

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Speaker 16: on the Tax Working Group proposal, and that proposal, if

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Speaker 16: you sold a property and received a gain on it,

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Speaker 16: you would pay a tax. What he said in your

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Speaker 16: interview was if you sold a commercial property but you

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Speaker 16: then bought a new one, you wouldn't pay tax on

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Speaker 16: the previous sale.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jeff Nightingale is an independent TAXIX but who was

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Speaker 2: actually a member of the aforementioned Tax Working Group. Hi, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: hi ever is Nicola writer. She got a point there.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think she's got a point in the sense

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Speaker 24: that as I understand it, anyway, Labour's proposal has this

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Speaker 24: thing called rollover relief in it because it's modeled on

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Speaker 24: the Tax Working Group, and we had proposed rollover relief

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Speaker 24: for small businesses businesses the turnover of less than five

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Speaker 24: million who were selling business assets to reinvest in the business.

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Speaker 24: You need to do that to preserve economic growth and things.

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Speaker 24: So I think she's right on that perspective. But what

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Speaker 24: I also understand those Labour's done its own costings of

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Speaker 24: the revenue that they propose, and they've included all the

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Speaker 24: assumptions are the design assumptions in that revenue costing. So

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Speaker 24: to that extent, I suspect they are standing. They'll stand

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Speaker 24: by their numbers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they are forecasting an average of about seven

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars being brought in over the first four years.

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Speaker 2: That sound about right to you. And you know, having

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Speaker 2: what one point three billion in the first on year four?

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Speaker 2: Does that sound right?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: Look it does sound about right. Look, look you've got

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Speaker 24: to realize there's a forecasts, right, and the one thing

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Speaker 24: you know about them is they'll be wrong. But when so,

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Speaker 24: Labour's CGT policy is modeled on the minority view of

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Speaker 24: the Tax Working Group. There was a minority. I was

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Speaker 24: in the majority, eight out of eleven was voted for

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Speaker 24: a comprehensive Capital Gain SAX. A minority of three put

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Speaker 24: up and said, let's just extend it to property. And

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Speaker 24: in that minority report they said that residential property will

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Speaker 24: be about thirty nine percent of all revenue forecasts for

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Speaker 24: the Capital Gains Tax and Treasury in twenty nineteen, long

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Speaker 24: time ago, it suggested that after ten years, the comprehensive

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Speaker 24: Capital Gains Tax might be six point two billion of

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Speaker 24: revenue per annum after ten years and thirty nine per

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Speaker 24: cent of that's a couple of billions. So Labour's estimate

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Speaker 24: of a billion after four years doesn't seem out of

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Speaker 24: skew to me.

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Speaker 2: Now, yesterday Chippy c to me, it's not inflation adjusted,

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Speaker 2: should it be?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: I heard that it's a great question. In theory, Yes,

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Speaker 24: it should be, because we should be taxing inflationary gains.

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Speaker 24: We should only be taxing real gains. But introducing inflation

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01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 24: adjustment is really difficult and produces real complexity. So what

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Speaker 24: most jurisdictions around the world do is either discount the

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 24: rate to allow for inflation, or only include part of

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Speaker 24: the gain as a proxy really for inflation. So you know,

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Speaker 24: you could argue that at twenty eight percent, it's already

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Speaker 24: a slight discount for an individual or a trust whose

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 24: top rate is thirty nine, but it's not a discount

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Speaker 24: for companies.

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Speaker 2: No, And I mean, geez, it's not much of a discount,

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Speaker 2: is it. Would you do if you had, if you

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Speaker 2: designed it to account for inflation.

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Speaker 24: Well, when we did the working group, we didn't. We

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Speaker 24: recommended not to account for inflation, and the reason being

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Speaker 24: that we come off of this period of historically low

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 24: inflations we've seen in the last couple of years. If

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 24: inflation can get away and make it a hell of

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 24: a difference. So I do think you need to in

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 24: principle account for inflation. It's probably too hard to do

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01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 24: it precisely, and a CPI adjust the cost base, So

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01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 24: it's probably best to apply some proxy and discount the

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 24: rate or discount the rate of inclusion of the capital

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 24: gain in order to say we recognize it. It's a

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 24: pretty rough measure, but it does recognize inflation.

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Speaker 2: If you do that, Jeff, what does your gut tell you?

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Speaker 2: I mean it looks to me like this is a

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: trojan horse, right, because I don't really understand what the

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01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: point is in bringing in attacks or introducing attacks to

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: bring in review and then immediately spending the vast majority

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: of what it brings in on something that we don't

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 2: need right as widespread as free GP as it's for.

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Speaker 2: So would you say, looking at that, that this is

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Speaker 2: just the startup something and it expands from there and

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Speaker 2: it's being something more comprehensive like what you'd like.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I think some people will see it like that.

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Speaker 24: I mean, this approach is consist with what New Zealand

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01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 24: has done for capital gains all along. It's coherent with

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Speaker 24: our current policy. So we don't have a comprehensive capital

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Speaker 24: gains tax, but we do tax some capital gains where

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Speaker 24: they occur systematically and they start to look like income.

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Speaker 24: So we tax financial arrangements. We tax property development. We

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Speaker 24: tax payments around leases, and so we fire rifle shots

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Speaker 24: in law at these things, and this is another rifle shot.

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Speaker 24: It's not a broad base yet, but you know, some

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 24: people will see it as a we'll start here and

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Speaker 24: then we'll add some more asset classes in. And in

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Speaker 24: fact that was the that was what the minority report

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Speaker 24: of the Tax Working Group said, only add asset classes

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Speaker 24: in as you can justify that the revenue will outweigh

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Speaker 24: the complexity in compliance costs.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, it's good to talk.

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Speaker 24: Do you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time in your expertise.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Nightingale, independent tax expert and former member of the

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Speaker 2: Tax Working Group. Heather is a food Fighters T shirt. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably not at that age. How old

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Speaker 2: does Alberisi do you reckon ants?

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Speaker 19: Sixty?

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Speaker 15: Oh, that's a good question. I take a hissue with

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Speaker 15: the idea that there's an age where you have to

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Speaker 15: stop wearing band T shirts. I don't think we should

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Speaker 15: discourage people from enjoying life and listening to music and

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Speaker 15: celebrating their favorite bands. I think I'm going to be

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Speaker 15: quite happily wearing my Mountain Eating T shirt until I'm

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Speaker 15: in the grave.

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Speaker 2: I think I can so when you are sixty two

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 2: like Albanesi, and I'm going to rip you for wearing

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Speaker 2: your T shirt.

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Speaker 15: Pully, rip me for wearing what I wear at the moment. Anyway,

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Speaker 15: I'm not very conscious that I think, No.

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Speaker 2: A Foo Fighter's T shirt is not okay if you're

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Speaker 2: sixty two years old.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's fine, Absolutely fine.

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Speaker 2: Whither at least Joy Division is cool. At least he

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Speaker 2: wasn't wearing a Kenny Rodgers T shirt. Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's I think that's what makes it worse. Like if

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: he was wearing a Kenny Rodgers T shirt, we'd be like,

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: at least you're being honest. But he's wearing a Joy

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: Division T shirt, which is designed to make it look

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: like he is cool, Like he's wearing something that's cool

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: so that we can all go, oh, look at how

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01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: cool he is. Eh, it's performative, performative T shirt wearing. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 2: I've got a bit of good news for you from

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank. They have cut the number of jobs

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01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: there by nearly twenty percent. There were seven hundred and

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: fifty one jobs at the end of March. Now only

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 2: five hundred and ninety seven. So let's just let's do numbers.

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Speaker 2: We upstand seven hundred and fifty down to six hundred,

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Speaker 2: saving them probably about eleven million dollars. Now, normally I

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: don't celebrate people losing their jobs because those are real

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: people there. But there will way too many people hired

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Speaker 2: by Adrian or so at least it's coming back to

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01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 2: a bit more of a reasonable level. I'd so don't

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Speaker 2: stop there, keep going. Six fourteen.

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Speaker 25: Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now, as we know, the economies had a few tough years,

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Speaker 2: hasn't it. But are we finally starting to see the

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Speaker 2: start of hard data improvements coming through.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, that's right. A lot of the economic improvements so

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01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 25: far has been in the more soft data. So this

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01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 25: is more feeling and surveys and you know, people indicating

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Speaker 25: that next year they'll probably will feel a bit better

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 25: or spend some more money. But some of the harder

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Speaker 25: data is starting to come through too, which is good

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Speaker 25: and confirms that positivity. And one such story today is

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Speaker 25: on the insed X we had a non agri business

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Speaker 25: upgrade their earnings forecast and that was in z to

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Speaker 25: me and a company you will know very well. But

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Speaker 25: pleasingly it was the revenue line which contributed to the

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Speaker 25: beat or the upgrade and earnings. And you know, we

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 25: know that media and advertising can be at the point

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Speaker 25: end of the economy, and we know firms have cut

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01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 25: back materially on advertising spend where the demand has been

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Speaker 25: quite weak. So perhaps and Me's upgrade is indicating that

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Speaker 25: there's a little bit more spend, a little more activity

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Speaker 25: going on on the wider economy.

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Speaker 2: Some jobs data improving too from Stats New Zealand.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, Stats New Zealand yesterday they had their fulled jobs data.

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Speaker 25: This is effectively all the jobs in the New Zealand

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Speaker 25: economy and that's increased for two months in a row.

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Speaker 25: You know, not maybe not quite a trend, but you know,

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Speaker 25: getting better, and it is good that the economy is

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Speaker 25: to add some jobs again. I'd also note that in

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Speaker 25: terms of activity is house sales volumes, so you know

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Speaker 25: this is activity and liquidity in the market has been

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Speaker 25: pretty consistently increasing each and every month this year, so

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Speaker 25: more activity in the housing market. But I would just know,

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Speaker 25: you know, we are coming off the bottom, so there

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Speaker 25: is still certainly a way to go here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, listen on this restaurant brand's takeover offer. Do

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Speaker 2: you reckon? The independent value report is going to disappoint

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Speaker 2: some of the some of the shareholders.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, potentially, you know, fin Access, there are Mexican private

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Speaker 25: equity owner or investor. They've owned seventy five percent of

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Speaker 25: restaurant brands for about seven years now, and they submitted

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Speaker 25: a takeover offer for the remaining twenty five percent of

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Speaker 25: the business and they want to take it private and

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Speaker 25: take it off the listed market. And you know, on

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Speaker 25: face value, their offer was pretty attractive. It was five

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Speaker 25: five dollars and five cents and that was a big

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Speaker 25: seventy percent premium versus what the share price was before.

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Speaker 25: But the company has had a really disappointing few years.

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Speaker 25: The share price has fallen eighty percent over the past

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Speaker 25: few years, so, you know, a tough going for shareholders.

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Speaker 25: But the Independent Value report that came out yesterday as well,

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Speaker 25: in the midpoint actually indicated the value of five seventy two,

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Speaker 25: so obviously a lot more than what fun Access is offering.

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Speaker 25: So perhaps the getting that remaining twenty five percent a

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Speaker 25: little bit cheaply and some New Zealand investors could be

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Speaker 25: missing out here.

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Speaker 2: Have we seen any impact from the CGT proposal?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, not too much at this point. I mean your

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Speaker 25: mind goes to say the listed real estate companies or

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Speaker 25: the retirement companies that could be impacted. You know, the

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Speaker 25: retirement one's an easier one. You've had the bright line

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Speaker 25: test for a few years. We've had various proposals of

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Speaker 25: capital gains and retirement's always been excluded from those, so

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Speaker 25: imagine that would be the same for Labour's twenty twenty

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Speaker 25: seven tax. But reates, you know some impact. New Zealand

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Speaker 25: does have a key differential currently with Australia and property

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Speaker 25: for investors. You know, we don't have capital gains tax

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Speaker 25: or stamp duty or land taxes, so perhaps one of

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Speaker 25: our relative attractiveness points has gone there. But you know,

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Speaker 25: reats they do deliver some of their games through share

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Speaker 25: price appreciation and that is obviously excluded, so you know

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Speaker 25: there's some attractiveness to the listed roads and your investors

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Speaker 25: want that property exposure. It could be better than incurring

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Speaker 25: a capital gains tax on a direct property investment.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, thank you very much. Jeremy has always appreciated

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Speaker 2: Jerem Hutt and Wulfedd acid management.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: So Williamson was out for twenty one. At the moment

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Speaker 2: it's forty five to two, we've got Mitchell and Russian

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Speaker 2: facing the ball. Russian, do you want to play the music? No,

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Speaker 2: he says, no, it's not appropriate. It's the sexy music

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Speaker 2: because Russian is definitely the sexiest one. Six twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Encouraging the numbers and getting the results. It's hither du

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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be hither. I'm wondering if Labor will also reintroduce

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Speaker 2: the tax deductibility rules for landlords as well. With a

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: capital game on top, they will kill the market. Jared,

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: very good question. And actually someone who might know the

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Speaker 2: answer to that is Genative Trainey, who's going to be

1739
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: with us in a round about ten minutes time. I'll

1740
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: ask you that question. Listen on the old full day

1741
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 2: working week getting some very bad pr over in the

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01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: UK at the moment because the councils have started doing well.

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: One council has started doing it. South Cambridgeshire became the

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01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: first council to adopt a four day week permanently, just

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01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: this past winter gone for us. They gave the bin

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01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: collectors and the social housing officials one hundred percent of

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01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: their pay but only needed them to do eighty percent

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01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: of their contracted hours. Well, the problem is if everybody's

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: doing eighty percent of their work, stuff's just not going

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: to get done, is it? Like a old bunch of

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01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: stuff's not going to get it? And that's what happened.

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01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: Services started deteriorating really quickly, because I mean this is

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01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 2: just this past winter. We're now in spring. Did a survey.

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 2: They found rent collection and repairs had gone backwards. This

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: is what the council was doing. So the government over there,

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01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: the Labor government's cracking down on it and basically told

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: that wrote them a letter deeply disappointed because what they're

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: trying to do is stop twenty five other councils who

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Speaker 2: are considering doing it from doing it. Six twenty six.

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Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande maybe on her way to Oscar Gold, the

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01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: sequel to last year's smash hit Wicked, is coming fast.

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: It's called Wicked for Good and it's just on its

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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: first preview screenings for critics and Broadway actors in New

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01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: York and they are loving it. Deadline Awards writer Destiny

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01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 2: Jackson said the movie was quote an epic and heartbreakingly

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01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 2: tender conclusion, and a Variety senior editor said, Cynthia Arrivo

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: is magnificent, but get ready for Ariana Grande as she

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01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: takes this performance to the next level. The Wizard of

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01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 2: Oz influence of the osvlog got to see the film.

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Speaker 26: Honestly, every performance was a winner.

1772
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 2: There was not one dud in this bunch.

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Speaker 26: I walked out feeling extremely satisfied. And this is going

1774
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 26: to sound crazy. It was better than Part one.

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 2: The first movie was nominated for ten Oscars, including Best Picture,

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01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress for Ariana Grande, but it

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: also won two awards Best Costume Design, Best Production Design.

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01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: If the momentum continues in their favor, Grande could end

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01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: up making her own statue home because, according to the

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: prediction site Gold Derby Grande has a twenty seven percent

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01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 2: chance of winning the Best Supporting Actress. Gong Wicked for

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Speaker 2: Good in theaters November twentieth, or you can see an

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01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: advanced screening on the nineteenth. It's everything you needed to

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01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: know about a Witch movie, genatid, Freddy's with Us, next

1785
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 2: the Wizard, that there is or was the.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1788
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: and Mass for Insurance Investments and Chiuye Saber you're in

1789
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: good ads.

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Speaker 3: Use talks at me.

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Speaker 21: It's me.

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01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: Every number you Sadres blushed out of the UK and

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01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: ten minutes time Heather, I reckon only someone who was

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Speaker 2: around sixty two years old should legitimately be wearing a

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01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Joy Division T shirt because the band were active from

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01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: seventy six to about nineteen eighty, when Albinizi was twenty

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: two to twenty six years old. So that makes it okay,

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: doesn't It just really started something? Paul, you make a

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01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 2: fair argument. You do make a fair argument. The problem

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Speaker 2: he's getting so deep in this Joy Division thing. The

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: problem is that he's picked something that he knows is cool. Right,

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Speaker 2: So he's wearing the obvious. He's basic. He's what they

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Speaker 2: would call. Am I going to get in trouble for

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01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: saying this. He's a basic bitch, right, This is what

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01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 2: the kids call the basic bitch. If you want to

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01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: actually be legit cool, you have to wear something that

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Speaker 2: we go, oh, we didn't pick you as a Lady

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01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: Gaga fan.

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Speaker 15: Or you know, there is nothing less cool than someone

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01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 15: trying to wear something that is popular that they know

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Speaker 15: nothing about in order to appear to seem cool. People

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Speaker 15: see through that right away.

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01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he might legit like Lady Gaga.

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Speaker 15: Well no, he likes Joy Division.

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 27: Lord.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's an elbow wear the T shirt. There is

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Speaker 2: a market for you. It's not me. It's ants twenty

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Speaker 2: three away from seven, ever do Allen. Chris Hipkins is

1819
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: pushing back at the government and his own potential coalition

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01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: partners on the issue of the capital gains tax. Government

1821
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: hates it, Greens want labor to go much further.

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Speaker 13: This is the policy that we are campaigning on, and

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Speaker 13: this is the policy that we will implement if we

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Speaker 13: form government after the next election. Because I'm not a

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 13: complete pushover like Christopher Luxen. I don't think the smaller

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 13: parties should call all of the shots. I've been very

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01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 13: very clear under a labor government, I will be the

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Speaker 13: Prime Minister, Barbara Edmonds will be the Minister of Finance.

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Speaker 3: That is not up for negotiation.

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Speaker 2: Genetive Trainey is The Herald's Wellington Business editor with US.

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Speaker 2: Hello Jday, Hi Heather. Okay, so you have an interesting

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01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: take on this, which is you don't have a problem

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01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: with the CGT part. You have a problem with the

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01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: three free doctors visits part.

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, exactly. I think if you read some of the

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01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 28: work that Treasury has been putting out there, it's really

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01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 28: worried about the costs associated with our aging pop pulation.

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01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 28: You know, these costs are meant to soar and the

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Speaker 28: tax take is not meant to increase, you know, at

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01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 28: the same rate as the expenses. So Treasury illustrates this

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 28: in a recent report it did. It said that if

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01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 28: the government solely relied on tax to meet the cost

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01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 28: pressures that are ahead, the average tax rate on labor

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01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 28: income would need to rise from twenty one percent to

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01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 28: thirty two percent of GDP. Or if you solely rely

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01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 28: on increasing GST to meet the costs that would need

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01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 28: to go up from fifteen to thirty two percent. So

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01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 28: the reality is we don't have enough money to meet

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01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 28: the costs. So then you think, well, how do you

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01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 28: you know, how do you meet these costs? Either you

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01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 28: cut services a lot, you increase the age of super

1853
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 28: or you increase the tax base. So you just instead

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01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 28: of taxing people that go to work more, you just

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 28: diversify who you tax. And a capital gains tax is

1856
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 28: a widely recognized way of doing that. You know, people do,

1857
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 28: It's done all around the world. A bunch of business

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01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 28: leaders think it's a good idea, IMF so on. So

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01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 28: of all the different options, none of them are great,

1860
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 28: but that one doesn't seem like a bad one.

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01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: So basically the idea is you need more you need

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01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 2: more revenue. You don't need to go blowing it on

1864
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: something that people can afford to pay for them. Many

1865
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: people can afford to it. And this is arguably the

1866
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 2: same problem with the Future Fund, isn't it. They bring

1867
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 2: the money in or they get the money and then

1868
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: just squander it on something we don't need.

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Speaker 28: Well, that's the thing. And you know, I think for

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01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 28: a lot of people, they are smart enough, they can

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01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 28: see the future that we're looking at, and I mean

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01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 28: it's not great, but something needs to be done. But

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01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 28: the thing that is galling is when labor proposes to

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01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 28: spend money in an untargeted way. So, of course I'd

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01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 28: like to go to the GP three times a year

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01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 28: for free, but I can afford to go to the GP, thankfully,

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Speaker 28: and I do go. So actually to spend money on

1878
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 28: me going to the GP is a waste of money.

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01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 28: I'd rather than that be spent on other people who

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01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 28: can't afford it getting top of the finances.

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Speaker 2: What about if you see this from a different perspective,

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: which is this is not actually the thing that's supposed

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01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: to bring the revenue, and this is the trojan horse.

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01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: It starts them off. They sell it to the public with, hey,

1885
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 2: this is what you get for us introducing a CGT.

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01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: So it's a nice little bait and switch, and then

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01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: after that you can start making it more comprehensive. Comprehensive

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01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 2: and that is how you pay for everything.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, Now, like, I mean, that's a good point. What

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 28: they've proposed here by keeping it just on property syd

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01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 28: types of property, is that the revenue generation is not

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01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 28: going to be huge. It's not going to save New

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01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 28: Zealand from this doom and gloom that Treasury talks about.

1894
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 28: But I don't think we can assume that label would

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01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:30,879
Speaker 28: go further with the taxing.

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 4: You know, at the end of the.

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Speaker 28: Day that there would be an uproar and you can't

1898
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 28: entirely pull the rug out from beneath people who invest

1899
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 28: in property. There's nothing wrong with doing that. We need

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01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 28: landlords and I would hope that it wouldn't overkill things.

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01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 28: And for example, the way it could do that is

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01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:55,919
Speaker 28: if it again stopped allowing investors prevented them from deducting

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01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 28: interest as an expenseful tax.

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01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,440
Speaker 2: What they're doing there, Well, they haven't.

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01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 28: Said, so we asked and they sort of kept it open.

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01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 28: So you know, it's pretty crucial for investors that they

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01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 28: can deduct that interest as an expense. It's a very

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01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 28: large expense. It helps with cash flow. You know, it's

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,440
Speaker 28: one thing introducing a capital gains tax. I think that's fine,

1910
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 28: but removing the ability to deduct interest as an expense

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 28: would be a step too far. And I don't know

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01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 28: why they didn't just stamp that out when they announced

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01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 28: the policy.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, thanks very much, Jane as always Jane Tibcherani,

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01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: the Heralds Wellington Business editor. Here the labor have a

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01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: poverty mindset nineteen away from seven. It is not every

1917
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: day they look forward to a scientific journal being released.

1918
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: But I am here for the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology,

1919
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 2: which is going to be released on the twenty fifth

1920
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: of November, because this particular edition is going to be

1921
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: looking at why women use the exclamation mark more than men.

1922
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: And this is fact. Have a look. Go through your

1923
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,879
Speaker 2: text messages from women. Don't look at women in your life.

1924
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 2: Look at colleagues. Go through your emails, look at colleagues.

1925
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: A woman sends you an emails or exclamation marks, thanks

1926
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: so much for doing that. Exclamation mark, so great to

1927
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: help you. Exclamation mark, Hi Howey, is great to see you.

1928
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 2: Exclamation mark. Men just full stop, full stop, full stop.

1929
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: And I think we know the reason. It's because women

1930
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: want to be more agreeable and fun and chill about

1931
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 2: things like we try harder. This is not a bad thing.

1932
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 2: Making this sound like it's a bad thing from women.

1933
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing from women. Women are the

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01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 2: glue that keep marriages and families together because we try

1935
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 2: to make everybody have a good time. Right, We're like,

1936
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: oh did you want Yeah, did you want to see conserving?

1937
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Here you go, Oh, don't fight with your dad. Oh,

1938
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 2: don't fight. You know, like you're constantly being the peacemaker

1939
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: and stuff that hence the exclamation mark because you're trying

1940
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: to Sorry, I crashed your car exclamation mark. Anyway, this

1941
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: is what it says across five studies. Our findings suggest

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: that exclamation point usage is associated more with women then

1943
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: with men, that these normative expectations are impactful, and that women,

1944
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: who are more sensitive to potential downstream impression formation implications

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Speaker 2: of using exclamation marks, as in, like you know that

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Speaker 2: if you use it, this is the reaction that you're

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Speaker 2: going to get, think about this issue more than men

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Speaker 2: and are more uncertain of their exclamation point usage. We

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Speaker 2: further find that the decision to use exclamations does indeed

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Speaker 2: shape social perception, leading to more positive impressions overall, but

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Speaker 2: also some negative concerns. So anyway, what I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: say is twenty fifth of November, we're going to well,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to read this. We're going to get

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Speaker 2: somebody boring like the Guardian to read it for us

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Speaker 2: and then digest it and then turn it into normal

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Speaker 2: people chat. And then we're going to chat about this

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Speaker 2: because you know that this is a thing. Go through

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Speaker 2: your emails, you'll see here's a fun fact for you.

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Speaker 2: The exclamation point originated in the fourteenth century. It was

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Speaker 2: invented by some chap Alpulli da urbig Zagolia, who was

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Speaker 2: frustrated with the monotonic way that people read scripts that

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Speaker 2: were meant to evoke emotions. So he was like, how

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Speaker 2: do I get them to not just be like but

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Speaker 2: actually have an emotion on the script? Exclamation point? Thank

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Speaker 2: you women everywhere, Thank you. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with hither duplic Ellen and Meys for insurance investments and

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Speaker 1: you're in good hands News.

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Speaker 2: Talks, d be I almost forgot. We've got to talk

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Speaker 2: about Ben and Jery's and just to tech us in

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Speaker 2: the ice cream people, it's got to do with Gaza

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Speaker 2: fourteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us

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Speaker 2: right now, Hey, Gvin, Hi there So Brigitte Macron's daughter

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Speaker 2: has given evidence.

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Speaker 27: Yes, yes, in this bizarre case in Paris, taking part

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Speaker 27: where ten people are accused of sexist cyber bullying of

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Speaker 27: the French president's wife, Brigitte Macron. The defendants are accused

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Speaker 27: of effectively rumor milling, spreading unsubstantiated claims all about her

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Speaker 27: gender and sexuality, and making what are called militia remarks

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Speaker 27: about the twenty four year age gap between Brigitte and

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Speaker 27: her husband, Emmanuel Macron. The ten people appearing in the

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Speaker 27: dark car an elected official, a gallery owner, and a

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Speaker 27: teacher are among them, and two of them, self styled

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Speaker 27: independent journalist called Natasha Ray and internet fortune teller a

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01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 27: man Deen Roy were found guilty of slander last year

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Speaker 27: for claiming that France's first lady had never existed. So

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Speaker 27: it's quite a group of people. They say, look, it's

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Speaker 27: freedom of speech. We've done nothing wrong, the Macrons saying

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Speaker 27: it's really affected their mental health, and Bridgitte Macron's daughter

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Speaker 27: saying it really has taken its toll on her mother's

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Speaker 27: ill health being in the spotlight and having these accusations

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Speaker 27: thrust at her. And of course separately, they are also

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Speaker 27: taking a very high profile right wing influencer Candice Owens

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Speaker 27: to court over unsubstantiated claims from her about Missus Macron's gender.

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Speaker 2: Now, isn't the case that William was the one who

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Speaker 2: was able to basically get Andrew who agreed to move

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Speaker 2: out of Royal Lodge.

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Speaker 27: Well, I think there's now what's being called by my

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Speaker 27: sources the longest running bitter sore, bitterest row in the

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Speaker 27: royal family for many, many years, with both sides now

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Speaker 27: briefing against one another. The King still wants his brother,

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Speaker 27: Prince Andrew to get out of the thirty one room

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Speaker 27: Windsor mansion called Royal Lodge in Windsor, and this rouse

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Speaker 27: dragged on for three years now, and apparently things have

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Speaker 27: got increasingly strained, particularly after, of course, all the recent revelations,

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Speaker 27: including just in the last couple of days, a picture

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Speaker 27: of Gilaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, all of

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Speaker 27: those people, of course now in one way, shape or

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Speaker 27: form accused of being sort of involved in child abuse

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Speaker 27: or sexual abuse while still in prison, and those three

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Speaker 27: pictured in Prince Andrew's garden. He had said it was

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Speaker 27: a garden, that it'd held a party, but it was

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Speaker 27: at Windsor Castle, but this shows that he had hosted

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Speaker 27: them two according to the most recent allegations, and now

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Speaker 27: we're getting news that Prince William has had a meeting

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Speaker 27: with Prince Andrew's two daughters, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice. They

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Speaker 27: have been allowed to keep their titles, but I think

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Speaker 27: it's being made quite clear to them that they need

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Speaker 27: to put pressure on their father if they want to

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Speaker 27: remain as working roles and to keep those titles. Those

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Speaker 27: are the allegations. Nothing from Prince William. But it does

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Speaker 27: appear that this bad blood is getting really, really nasty.

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Speaker 2: It does sound a little bit like that. Hey, Gevin,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much, really appreciated this. Devin Gray, our UK correspondent,

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Speaker 2: hither a beautiful straight drive for four by your boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: elegant stroke. Thank you, Simon. We know who he's talking

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Speaker 2: about now, Ben and Jerry. So what's happened is one

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Speaker 2: of the co founders have been in Jerry's ice Cream

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Speaker 2: has gone on the Instagram and claim that Ben and

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Speaker 2: Jerry's has been blocked from making pro Gaza ice cream

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Speaker 2: by its parent company, Unilever. This guy doesn't His name

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Speaker 2: is Ben Cohen. He's the Ben and Ben and Jerry's.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's It doesn't sound like he's got

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Speaker 2: much to do well. Certainly, isn't the majority shareholder anymore.

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Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't get to call the shots. Unilever does.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is Ben and Jerry's have a bit

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Speaker 2: of a history of making ice cream for activists causes,

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Speaker 2: like when they wanted to make one to draw attention

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Speaker 2: to climate change. They made one called it Save Ours World,

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Speaker 2: and they had one for same sex marriage I think

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Speaker 2: was Ido Ido. They had one for resettling refugees in Europe.

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Speaker 2: So this is part of the thing that they do, right,

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Speaker 2: and they wanted to do one for Gaza, but they

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Speaker 2: weren't allowed. So he went on the Instagram and he

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Speaker 2: decided he's going to do it himself.

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Speaker 19: All I got here is some watermelon and a plain

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Speaker 19: pain container. We need you to help come up with

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Speaker 19: the other ingredients for this sorbet and the name for it,

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Speaker 19: as well as for the planed pain. You know, you

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Speaker 19: need to have a design on the paint. Revolutions are creative.

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Speaker 19: Let's see some of that creativity, do.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated to see how this plays out, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's a reasonably you know, well known person. He's standing

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Speaker 2: there mashing some some watermelon into a big bowl and

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Speaker 2: he's got a Ben and Jerry's pint. As he calls it,

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Speaker 2: like an ice cream tub that's got no markings on it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm quite interested to see if they managed to

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Speaker 2: pull this one off. People come through with some ideas,

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Speaker 2: some ingredients ideas, some name ideas, some creative design ideas,

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Speaker 2: and you know how this plays out. Let's watch the space.

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Speaker 2: As they say, going away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tooper see allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, I've got no problem with the exclamation marks, but

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Speaker 2: the emails that start with a gentle reminder make me murderous.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of things make me feel much the same

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Speaker 2: actually in the emails. But yeah, anyway, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 2: myself in trouble if I elaborated anymore. It's six away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I could not let the show finish without me telling

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01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:15,799
Speaker 2: you what you should be buying yourself. Meghan's candles have arrived.

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01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: You know we're talking about Meghan, our friend Megan Markle.

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01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: You can buy one of the candles that she uses

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Speaker 2: in her own Californian home. She said, this is the

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Speaker 2: If you want your home to smell like Hazzar and

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01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: Mes's home, you need to buy yourself candle number eighty four,

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Speaker 2: zero eight four. It's a quote elegant mix of sandalwood,

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Speaker 2: water lotus and California poppy. I have no idea what

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01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: water lotus in California POPPI smell like. But you know

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Speaker 2: the sandal would's quite nice, isn't it. And if you think, oh, jeezus,

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01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 2: eighty four candles, no, they don't have eighty four candles.

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01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Eighty four is a marker of her birthday zero eight four,

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01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 2: as in August fourth. You can also have another care

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Speaker 2: if that's not you. If you're like I don't want

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01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 2: to smell like those guys, well you can have the

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Speaker 2: one that's inspired by their wedding. It's called number five,

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01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 2: five hundred and nineteen because it's May the nineteenth. It's

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01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: a mix of Moroccan mint leaf, white tea leaves, and cardamom.

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01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: And you're gonna you're gonna want to start saving now

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Speaker 2: if you want to buy it for somebody for Christmas,

2094
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 2: because one hundred and ten dollars wasn't it?

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01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 15: Ants for a box of candles, or for the one

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Speaker 15: for ages.

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Speaker 2: The one well, you know it's not you don't want,

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01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 2: you don't want to understand like you're gonna make it's

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01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 2: got to be pricey to have your house small, A miser.

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Speaker 15: Mum's going to be like you what you only got

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01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 15: me a candle for Christmas? Oh no, no, you don't understand.

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Speaker 2: And here's the price tag.

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Speaker 8: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Now, sad day for you ants because you were a

2105
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 2: big fan of Faulty Towers and Prunella Scales has died

2106
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 2: at the age of ninety three, and she was Sybil

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Speaker 2: who spent most of the time tearing Basil to shreds.

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Speaker 16: Do you really imagine, even in your words streams, that

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Speaker 16: I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Like this could possibly be interested in an aging brilliantine

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01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: stick insect light? You do you remember when we were

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01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 2: first manacled together.

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Speaker 26: We used to laugh quite a lot, Yes, but not

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Speaker 26: at the same time.

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Speaker 4: That's all I thought.

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01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 25: The Korean moore, you know I it.

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Speaker 2: Was in the catering Corey us to poison them, cannot.

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Speaker 26: Can't fall overweight, does.

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Speaker 2: Not get herself jammed under desks or start.

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Speaker 26: Burglar alarms or a lot of people in burning rooms

2121
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 26: or fire fire extinguished.

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01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 2: Straight in her own face.

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Speaker 16: But I should think the hotel can do without a

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Speaker 16: sort of coping for a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that's? Is that your favorite? But ants,

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Speaker 2: it's quite good.

2127
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 15: If we've played all my favorite bits from Faulty Towers,

2128
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 15: we would have had to play the whole show.

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01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 2: I laughed out loud twice.

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Speaker 15: Then it's just I think possibly the best sitcom of

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01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 15: all time. And it came out a long time.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. Okay, cool.

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Speaker 15: What are you playing now? Love Will Tear Us Apart

2134
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 15: by Joy Vision?

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Speaker 2: Yes, hosts? Who are they?

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Speaker 8: Poor?

2137
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 2: Joy Division?

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Speaker 15: Joy Division? Yeah, Elbow, this is for you, mate. You

2139
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Speaker 15: at the age of sixty two, you were that T

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01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 15: shirt as long as you like that was in the heather.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, let's be honest. They didn't have some

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Speaker 2: good bangers, didn't they. Anyway, thank you for that answer.

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow. You still z

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessye Allen Drive listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks he'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.