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Speaker 2: Hello, got new Zeller's Welcome to mettin Tyler Fool Show

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Speaker 2: podcast number one seventy seven to four, the sixth of August.

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Speaker 2: It's a Wednesday, fantastic show. Boy, did we go deep

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Speaker 2: into some warming dog Pooh stories. Also, boy, that e

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Speaker 2: eruck thing, that eruck thing went deep into conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: and I blame myself with that.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all loved it to start off with, but

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Speaker 3: then we found out some massive for shock. So download,

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Speaker 2: And give me a taste a kiwi from us. All right, then,

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Speaker 2: we love you big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said the very good Afternoons You welcome into Wednesday, a

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Speaker 3: Wednesday show. Great to have your company as always. Now,

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Speaker 3: just before we hit the go about them for the show.

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Speaker 3: That's how Matt, you said to me, you've got a

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Speaker 3: public apology you need to make to someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people think that public apology

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Speaker 2: be around how much I hustled you for that pimple

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Speaker 2: on your nose yesterday. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: It's not about that, okay, right, I'm not gonna apologize

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Speaker 2: about that. I love you Copra on that one. You're

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Speaker 2: a good buddy, But I'm not gonna apologize because that

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Speaker 2: that pimple needs to be made fun of. No, what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to apologize about is this morning, I walked

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Speaker 2: into a cafe right and there was a guy and

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Speaker 2: as soon as I walked in, I clocked him as

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Speaker 2: being dangerously hungover. He just had that lock in the

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Speaker 2: face the way he was nursing his coffee and bacon

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Speaker 2: and eggs. That poor bugger. Wednesday morning. I just looked

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Speaker 2: him and said, boy, you're hungover. And then my partner

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Speaker 2: went to move a cheer along the concrete and it

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Speaker 2: was like a middle cheer in a concrete and it

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Speaker 2: was so loud as she moved it out. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: poor guy, that noise just really drilled into his soul.

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Speaker 2: And then I go to sit down and by the

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Speaker 2: time I go to sit down after paying for breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I've forgotten about the cheer, and I pull out my

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Speaker 2: and then he's just got his head in his hands.

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Speaker 2: This is killing him at this point. And then we've

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Speaker 2: we could, and the dogs sitting on the table, and

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Speaker 2: then another dog comes into the cafe, and the other

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Speaker 2: incredibly loudly right beside this guy that I think his

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Speaker 2: brain probably popped. I think I think of some kind

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Speaker 2: of vein in his temple popped. So I just want

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Speaker 2: to apologize to that guy because you look like you

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Speaker 2: were having the worst day and my actions made it worse.

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Speaker 2: So no apology to you, Tyler about the ZiT, that's right,

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Speaker 2: but huge apology to this random stranger who's hungover. I hangover,

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Speaker 2: I made worse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel sorry for that guy, but you

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Speaker 2: That is a lot of racket to deal with on

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Speaker 2: a Wednesday morning. But I felt bad. Yeah, But good

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Speaker 2: on you, right too.

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Speaker 3: Today's show. After three point thirty it is Wednesday. Gareth

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Speaker 3: abdenor employment law specialist, best in the business. He is

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Speaker 3: back with us, taking your calls on anything you've got

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Speaker 3: going on in your work. He is the man to

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Speaker 3: bring it back for one day only, okaeah. I apologize

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Speaker 3: to anybody. I just gave you you crap annoying hungover man,

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Speaker 3: So sorry to anybody I annoyed with that anything.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's cute that you say anything, but

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Speaker 2: you know, from daring some of us prefer say anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well those people are wrong. Yeah so o one hundred

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Speaker 2: texting through on nine two nine two your employment issues.

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Speaker 2: But he's bloody good and he's with us. After three

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Speaker 3: After three o'clock, you're confused about the rules around picking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's lay them out once and for all.

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Speaker 2: What they are when you're walking your dog? What are

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Speaker 3: Unemployment numbers they are around five point two percent. That's

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Speaker 3: the high since twenty twenty. We know it is extremely

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Speaker 3: particularly in their forties, fifties, sixties, who may feel that

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Speaker 3: it is very hard to start again. But we stumbled

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Speaker 3: across the story an actor called Ralph Ineson. He struggled

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Speaker 3: Fincy in the original Wrecky ger A series The Office.

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Speaker 3: But now at fifty five, he has absolutely cracked it

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we want to talk about how you start again,

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Speaker 2: how you flip the script and pivot later in life.

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Speaker 2: Famous people that have done it, Sam Jackson, JK. Rowling

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Speaker 2: and Michael Hilldulu yeah. Rip. So that's after two o'clock

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about road user charges. So, as we now know,

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Speaker 3: they are coming in across the board. If you drive

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Speaker 3: paying the system that people who drive evs diesel cars

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Speaker 3: already pay into. The argument from Chris Bishop is that

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Speaker 3: this is a fairest system across the board and will

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what he said about it this morning.

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Speaker 5: Essentially, the government will be abolishing petrol tax. People will

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Speaker 6: We get this right, people will.

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Speaker 5: Pay for based on their vehicle type, the distance traveled,

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Speaker 4: But the current system is regressive.

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Speaker 5: Lower income kiwis don't necessarily have the option to buy

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Speaker 4: It is not fair to have kiwis who drive less and.

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Speaker 5: Who can't afford a fuel efficient car paying more than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very odd audio, but I think you heard

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Speaker 2: you know, there's twelve thousand more in our roads. Well,

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Speaker 2: Now they're three hundred and fifty thousand, so they are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Is this a fairest system? Do you see

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Speaker 3: any fishawks in this? We are going to have a

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Speaker 3: and I think there are some legitimate concerns around how

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Speaker 3: Is this the fairest system? Or do you feel a

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: If they're going to road user charges on use, then

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Speaker 2: they should only charge people like me who own several

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Speaker 2: at a time. Very fair point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is part of this argument that if you're

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Speaker 3: warrant a fitness system. You should be looking at the

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Speaker 3: acc Levey, so can you get you thoughts on it? Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten A is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Matt. You really need to apologize to Tyler. You were

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Speaker 2: It's all me, me, me, Time to shut up and

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Speaker 2: listen to yourself. That's from Lynn.

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Speaker 3: He actually gave me some nice flowers this morning. He

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was apology. That was just

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Speaker 2: Look it's better today, but if it flares up again,

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Speaker 2: I'm coming for you. It is fourteen pas one the.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen past one and we are talking about

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Speaker 3: the ruck system. It's going to be coming in in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. That is the government's aim that all

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Speaker 3: They'll get rid of the fuel tax and we all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how much time we are on the roads or

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Speaker 2: at retailers. So it's going to be a different system

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Speaker 2: than putting you know currently now you have to put

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Speaker 2: it on your windscreen, Yeah what you wrote, you know

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Speaker 2: and get pulled over the CoP's going to be a

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Speaker 2: different system. But how are they going to use it.

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Speaker 2: I can't find out exactly how they going to do it.

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Speaker 2: Is it going to be a camera system. Is every

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Speaker 2: They're going to read your number plate? How are they

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Speaker 3: Well, even if they can read the number plate, which

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Speaker 3: they obviously can, how do they find out what's on

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Speaker 3: your odometer? That is a very fair question. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to have a catch up with Terry Collins. He's

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Speaker 3: the principal policy advisor at the AA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of people are texting through and

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Speaker 2: seeing no worries at all. I just fixed my dometer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's qually illegal, but yeah, there'll be a few

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tony, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 7: And yeah, I'm a bit concerned to what the government

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Speaker 7: put an E road unit in your vehicle, they can

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Speaker 7: go back and download the speed location where.

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Speaker 8: That vehicle has been operating.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what are they going to use this information for?

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Speaker 2: Really, So how do you how do you think that

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Speaker 2: they would they would get the numbers of how long

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Speaker 2: you're on the you know the case you're doing, Well.

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Speaker 9: What's the E roads you've got in your track that

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Speaker 7: And you roll over and you just get recharged.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a CBO you can go and that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, is that how they're looking to do

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Speaker 2: That's what Chris Pitcher did this morning.

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Speaker 3: A generous view of that system, though, Tony is they

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Speaker 3: that make it I get the privacy issues you're talking

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Speaker 9: They mind, I don't mind the funds being collected that

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Speaker 9: you use a page, but I just what is the

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Speaker 9: go back and check on overspeeds and things like that

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Speaker 9: in private vehicles which you can.

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Speaker 3: If that's the system they want to implement, I mean

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I wouldn't like the sound of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's already enough cameras and operations going and we've

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Speaker 2: But I mean that that's the kind of thing that

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Speaker 2: could totally see a time where they go, well, they've

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Speaker 2: fair points instantly. Yeah, I mean we've got that here

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yep, it within the realm. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 10: No, No, I don't mind playing, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: The same. Yeah, correct, thanks for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no big privacy issues. If it's all going to

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Speaker 3: on that absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: How do you feel? Is it a ferrous system? Or

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Speaker 3: About overreach from the government. It is twenty past one

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Speaker 2: You don't have to do anything different if you're using prolojects,

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Speaker 3: Prologect B twelve has always been a reliable go to

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's pulling double duty in a super meaningful

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Speaker 3: How good one pank two meals? It's that simple, no

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Speaker 2: How good is that elunko enriching lives on farm and

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

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Speaker 11: A green light on the foreshore and Seabird had been

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Speaker 2: Well, then we would have just carried on with our

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Speaker 11: Exactly because why, Paul, you are the ultimate court in

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Speaker 2: Well, we obviously take very seriously. Why Breme Court says,

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Speaker 11: Yes, So Basically, you're going back to twenty eleven. It's

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Speaker 11: just a few agitators hired. I'm sure at taxpayers expense,

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Speaker 2: It is twenty four past one. So this is what

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop has said around the tech on this new

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Speaker 2: EERUCK system. We will also engage with the market in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six to x assess technological solutions and delivery timelines.

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Speaker 2: In parallel, MZTA and police will upgrade their systems to

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Speaker 2: the RUCK system will be open for business, with third

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Speaker 2: consistent approval process in place. At this stage, no date

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Speaker 2: vehicle fleet. That's a deliberate choice, as we're focused on

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Speaker 2: So naively, I just thought it would be number plate reading,

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got two years to figure it out, and

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Speaker 3: it sounds like they're still trying to work out what's

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Speaker 3: to be easy, and no doubt about it, the current

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Speaker 3: RUCK system is clunky for most users. I have to

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Speaker 3: coming up time, because how would they know. They don't

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Speaker 3: know what's on MYODO. So I've got to figure that

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Speaker 2: I know that. But it's funky, I am. I mean

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Speaker 2: that system absolutely. I remember the Radiohardachi ute. No one

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Speaker 2: you get as an intern numbers in it. Yes, So

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: Are you a fan or do you see some problems?

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Speaker 2: A power utility in a Sacramento counter used smart meters

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Speaker 2: I believe it is. What are your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 7: Good old Hume day?

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Speaker 8: Hi guys? Yeah, you guys always have a pretty good

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Speaker 8: discussion afternoon, so appreciate it singing as much as I

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Speaker 8: probably should. No, it's great interesting topic. Just before we

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Speaker 8: Predominantly worked with and the competitive space from an industry

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Speaker 8: I think the minimums one thousand, and then you can

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Speaker 8: or two increments and so on. That's a pre purchase.

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Speaker 8: and so that's part of the legislation as well. Local

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Speaker 8: is there's a benefit as well, because you're pre purchasing

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 7: Manually.

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Speaker 8: So for example, a lot of people don't know that

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Speaker 8: like that, as well as follows in the sense. But

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Speaker 8: it's certainly worthwhile as you've prepaid for it the other

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Speaker 8: side of it. And I do want to wrap it up.

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Speaker 8: Sorry to just take so much space.

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Speaker 2: Good on you loving this. You're the expert we needed.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't go that fast, but yeah, I've clearly been

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Speaker 8: the n v TA, So you know, if you look

436
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Speaker 8: at sort of the ability to be able to know

437
00:19:51,293 --> 00:19:53,693
Speaker 8: whether you're simply on an on or an off road

438
00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,493
Speaker 8: to a public or private road, you know you have

439
00:19:56,573 --> 00:19:58,413
Speaker 8: to be able to be accurate and be able to

440
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Speaker 8: validate that, and so there are systems in place. We're

441
00:20:01,253 --> 00:20:05,853
Speaker 8: ready today. There's only one provider that has today been

442
00:20:05,893 --> 00:20:08,413
Speaker 8: certified and it's the only one that has it of

443
00:20:08,453 --> 00:20:10,773
Speaker 8: its kind. You as a mum and dad as a

444
00:20:10,813 --> 00:20:15,373
Speaker 8: residential non commercial vehicle commuter today it's really and again

445
00:20:15,453 --> 00:20:20,053
Speaker 8: I don't represent this company. We certainly partner with them,

446
00:20:20,093 --> 00:20:23,573
Speaker 8: but we don't even touch the residential space. So I'm

447
00:20:23,613 --> 00:20:28,333
Speaker 8: not trying to line my own pocket's head for disclosure there.

448
00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:30,973
Speaker 8: But yeah, if you go to my rak, I think

449
00:20:30,973 --> 00:20:34,653
Speaker 8: it's going deed. That's a really nifty system. They already

450
00:20:34,693 --> 00:20:38,093
Speaker 8: are on the commercial side as their compliance there by

451
00:20:38,133 --> 00:20:39,853
Speaker 8: the n z t A. So you have to have

452
00:20:39,893 --> 00:20:44,613
Speaker 8: an approved complied system that meets all that criteria X

453
00:20:44,653 --> 00:20:48,293
Speaker 8: amount of tracking curve, you know, whatever, poles, permanent and

454
00:20:48,373 --> 00:20:51,093
Speaker 8: what have you. You have to go to the formalized

455
00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:55,493
Speaker 8: claim back. It also just the pre purchasing up front.

456
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Speaker 8: Just be mindful that that platform has a service fee,

457
00:21:00,453 --> 00:21:04,133
Speaker 8: so you're probably smarter to buy longer distance less frequently

458
00:21:04,253 --> 00:21:07,413
Speaker 8: because there's a transactional fever, you know, horses of courses.

459
00:21:07,413 --> 00:21:09,853
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, my ruck's really in

460
00:21:09,893 --> 00:21:12,053
Speaker 8: a bit of not only being the only one that

461
00:21:12,573 --> 00:21:16,173
Speaker 8: is enabled for this residential space or non commercial vehicles,

462
00:21:16,773 --> 00:21:19,693
Speaker 8: and that it's got a l C D Digiti board

463
00:21:20,293 --> 00:21:23,853
Speaker 8: that comes with it, so that is your display electronically.

464
00:21:23,933 --> 00:21:25,573
Speaker 8: You don't have to buy one of these expensive e

465
00:21:25,693 --> 00:21:27,773
Speaker 8: roads sort of displays that you know, you're talking one

466
00:21:27,813 --> 00:21:30,653
Speaker 8: thousand plus for a vehicle with all the add ons

467
00:21:31,573 --> 00:21:35,213
Speaker 8: and you know it's portable, it's compliance. There's an app

468
00:21:35,613 --> 00:21:38,333
Speaker 8: so apps, three downs and free to download. It does

469
00:21:38,373 --> 00:21:42,293
Speaker 8: all of your configurations around your pre purchasing. It does

470
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Speaker 8: all the tracking for you as well as you know.

471
00:21:45,093 --> 00:21:47,893
Speaker 8: It gives you the ability to export the report and

472
00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:51,213
Speaker 8: send it into for the NVTA for cleaneback and then

473
00:21:51,333 --> 00:21:53,413
Speaker 8: you get a check in the mail. There's no checks

474
00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:55,493
Speaker 8: these days, but you get a deposit in the mail,

475
00:21:56,253 --> 00:21:57,812
Speaker 8: and I think you can add that to your pre

476
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Speaker 8: purchase of your next distance. The last thing I'll say

477
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Speaker 8: and hopefully wrap it up Air GUYDS Sorry again, but

478
00:22:03,813 --> 00:22:06,013
Speaker 8: my sort of thoughts on this is, you know, how

479
00:22:06,093 --> 00:22:10,013
Speaker 8: else were they ever going to attract charge for fueling evs?

480
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Speaker 8: You know these are positive to that and that our

481
00:22:13,173 --> 00:22:17,373
Speaker 8: home expense around energy and electricity. He once puts solder

482
00:22:17,413 --> 00:22:20,013
Speaker 8: on their rous and they're charging their own cars. There's

483
00:22:20,053 --> 00:22:22,813
Speaker 8: not a great network there today. But even if we

484
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Speaker 8: get thirty to forty percent of electric electrification across the country,

485
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Speaker 8: how are they even going to tax that? So it

486
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Speaker 8: makes sense that they were always in my mind going

487
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Speaker 8: to go to an e ruck for electric vehicles. I've

488
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Speaker 8: got to get their tax on those cars somehow when

489
00:22:35,893 --> 00:22:38,093
Speaker 8: it's you know how even if they charge one hundred

490
00:22:38,093 --> 00:22:40,573
Speaker 8: percent taxes on you know what is it that he

491
00:22:40,653 --> 00:22:43,333
Speaker 8: sent them the dollar to fill your cart with electricity?

492
00:22:43,493 --> 00:22:45,613
Speaker 8: They were always going to do it. What I found

493
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Speaker 8: amazing is that it's the first of its time globally,

494
00:22:48,893 --> 00:22:52,933
Speaker 8: just been the original commercial ruck for us to forge forward.

495
00:22:53,053 --> 00:22:55,573
Speaker 8: There's been pilots in place already over the past few

496
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Speaker 8: years that cases out and test it. So it's it's

497
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Speaker 8: fairly well mature. I don't really see any cavea it's

498
00:23:01,613 --> 00:23:04,532
Speaker 8: other than that was the electrification piece that filled the

499
00:23:04,533 --> 00:23:06,373
Speaker 8: gap in mind view. But yeah, that's enough for me.

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Speaker 2: Got ordination, Yes, some good thoughts here. So is it

501
00:23:10,173 --> 00:23:12,493
Speaker 2: going to be? What system do we think it's going

502
00:23:12,533 --> 00:23:14,493
Speaker 2: to be. It'd be interesting to ask some questions.

503
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Speaker 3: We have Terry Collins, he is the principal policy advisor

504
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Speaker 3: from the AA. We're going to catch up with him

505
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Speaker 3: after the headlines. Have you got a question for Terry

506
00:23:22,093 --> 00:23:24,453
Speaker 3: boy all means nine two ninety two. Yeah, he's been

507
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Speaker 3: across this from the get go.

508
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Speaker 2: It would just be interesting to see how it done.

509
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Speaker 2: If it's a device in your vehicle or as this

510
00:23:29,013 --> 00:23:31,532
Speaker 2: Texas saying your dometer mileage is recorded when you go

511
00:23:31,613 --> 00:23:34,093
Speaker 2: for a WAFT pass or not. That information goes to

512
00:23:34,133 --> 00:23:36,853
Speaker 2: the NZTA. Yeah, but it seems to be suggesting they're

513
00:23:36,893 --> 00:23:39,373
Speaker 2: going to go for a system that's a little bit

514
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Speaker 2: more immediate than that.

515
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Speaker 4: Yep.

516
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Speaker 3: So Terry is coming up after the headlines if you've

517
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Speaker 3: got a question for him, nine two nine two, But

518
00:23:46,933 --> 00:23:48,053
Speaker 3: he is coming up very shortly.

519
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Speaker 2: It is twenty six to two.

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Speaker 4: US talk said the headlines.

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Speaker 12: Well, blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with the blue bubble.

522
00:23:56,493 --> 00:23:59,413
Speaker 12: New Zealand's economic recovery is still stugging a rut, with

523
00:23:59,493 --> 00:24:02,453
Speaker 12: the unemployment rate at a five year high of five

524
00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:07,573
Speaker 12: point two percent. The Infrastructure Minister says replacing petrol taxes

525
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:11,813
Speaker 12: with universe road user charges for all vehicles is about fairness.

526
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Speaker 12: The current fuel excise duty on petrol will be scrapped

527
00:24:15,173 --> 00:24:18,373
Speaker 12: and eventually all vehicles will pay road user charges, so

528
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Speaker 12: evs and hybrids pay a share of road maintenance. Mercury

529
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Speaker 12: says it's important to invest in renewable and non renewable

530
00:24:26,453 --> 00:24:29,973
Speaker 12: energy sources as it combines forces with other power providers

531
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Speaker 12: to stockpile coal. It says the backups needed as they

532
00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:37,613
Speaker 12: build up renewable sources of energy. Six alcohol sellers and

533
00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:42,613
Speaker 12: Tartanaki have failed alcohol compliance checks, with underrange volunteer shoppers

534
00:24:42,653 --> 00:24:46,093
Speaker 12: only twice asked for ID at eight venues. In July,

535
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Speaker 12: a University of Auckland's study has found minor birds sing

536
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Speaker 12: fewer and simpler songs after a night of disturbed sleep.

537
00:24:55,053 --> 00:24:58,373
Speaker 12: The researchers say poor quality song could threaten birds survival

538
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Speaker 12: and reproduction. Plus Zuru billionaire Nick Brobray has started giving

539
00:25:02,613 --> 00:25:05,933
Speaker 12: evidence in his case against a rival nappy manufacturer.

540
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Speaker 2: Read more at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Mass

541
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Speaker 2: and Taylor. Thank you very much, Wendy.

542
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Speaker 3: So, as we've been discussed discussing, the government is preparing

543
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Speaker 3: to move all vehicles over to a ruck system by

544
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. Terry Collins is Principal Policy Advisor for

545
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Speaker 3: the AA on Transport Policy and Advocacy. He's been across

546
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Speaker 3: this since the idea was first floated by National and

547
00:25:26,973 --> 00:25:29,292
Speaker 3: joins us on the phones now, Terry, very good afternoon

548
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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, get afternoon Matt and Donald.

550
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Speaker 2: So, Terry is petrol tax or fuel excise tax no

551
00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:38,733
Speaker 2: longer sustainable as a road funding model in New Zealand.

552
00:25:39,813 --> 00:25:42,613
Speaker 7: Well, we've been starving to get more efficient cars. So

553
00:25:42,693 --> 00:25:46,133
Speaker 7: obviously if you're traveling in the same distance and using

554
00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:50,053
Speaker 7: less fuel, will pay less tube exhaust duty and that's

555
00:25:50,093 --> 00:25:53,493
Speaker 7: been the driver behind it. Also, the move towards more

556
00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:57,933
Speaker 7: hybrid and evs means obviously evs don't use petrol, hybrids

557
00:25:58,093 --> 00:26:00,453
Speaker 7: use even use so looking at the future the way

558
00:26:00,453 --> 00:26:02,733
Speaker 7: the fleet was going to change, that made this decision

559
00:26:02,773 --> 00:26:05,253
Speaker 7: to move to universal ruck for the vehicles.

560
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Speaker 2: What is an e ERUCK system and how do you

561
00:26:08,933 --> 00:26:09,533
Speaker 2: see it working?

562
00:26:09,733 --> 00:26:09,773
Speaker 13: Is?

563
00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:13,573
Speaker 2: Will there be new technology installed in cars? Will we

564
00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,253
Speaker 2: have a device in every single car? How do you

565
00:26:15,253 --> 00:26:16,453
Speaker 2: see it say it working?

566
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Speaker 14: Well?

567
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Speaker 7: Yes, it's really interesting because I see in the minister's

568
00:26:19,973 --> 00:26:23,532
Speaker 7: comments he talks about it unlocking congestion, charging and tolls.

569
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Speaker 7: So that means it's got to know where you are

570
00:26:26,333 --> 00:26:29,733
Speaker 7: when you were there, Okay, So that lends itself to ERUCK.

571
00:26:29,893 --> 00:26:33,453
Speaker 7: What happens in the heavy truck industry is they've got

572
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Speaker 7: something called ERUK. The advantages of that is that if

573
00:26:36,653 --> 00:26:39,093
Speaker 7: you go into a forest on the port, it turns

574
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Speaker 7: the eruch off because they're not roads, and you don't

575
00:26:41,253 --> 00:26:45,293
Speaker 7: pay for those off road journeys. Also, many of them

576
00:26:45,413 --> 00:26:49,693
Speaker 7: have a driver telemetrics which when the brakes applied, the

577
00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:51,973
Speaker 7: accelerator was used a number of other things that they

578
00:26:52,013 --> 00:26:54,773
Speaker 7: can use the driver training. The key issue around the

579
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Speaker 7: heavy industry is every one of those people who uses

580
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Speaker 7: it voluntary and you're going to put it into the

581
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Speaker 7: light fleet. I don't think everybody will want to have

582
00:27:01,973 --> 00:27:04,293
Speaker 7: it in because why our members tell us us that

583
00:27:04,293 --> 00:27:07,773
Speaker 7: are concerned about some of the privacy issues having people

584
00:27:07,853 --> 00:27:10,093
Speaker 7: know where we are when we are, even though we

585
00:27:10,173 --> 00:27:13,133
Speaker 7: use our cell phones and off in that case, around

586
00:27:13,133 --> 00:27:15,213
Speaker 7: having your vehicles parked up and other things. That is

587
00:27:15,213 --> 00:27:16,773
Speaker 7: one of the issues that are really going to have

588
00:27:16,853 --> 00:27:19,093
Speaker 7: to be well considered by the government.

589
00:27:19,253 --> 00:27:21,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you see a situation where I can imagine

590
00:27:22,053 --> 00:27:23,973
Speaker 2: the government won't do this at launch, but you can

591
00:27:24,013 --> 00:27:26,533
Speaker 2: see a situation where a government comes in and says, well,

592
00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:29,693
Speaker 2: we're going to fire out speeding fines for anyone that

593
00:27:29,773 --> 00:27:33,213
Speaker 2: we detect on this device we put into these cars instantly.

594
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Speaker 7: Well, look, there's a couple of things that have happened.

595
00:27:35,933 --> 00:27:37,532
Speaker 7: A lot of people don't realize that you've already got

596
00:27:37,613 --> 00:27:41,173
Speaker 7: devices in your car, particularly modern cars that record all

597
00:27:41,213 --> 00:27:44,333
Speaker 7: this information. We've had insurance claims that I know have

598
00:27:44,773 --> 00:27:48,253
Speaker 7: declined because the person's told one story. We're written off

599
00:27:48,253 --> 00:27:51,133
Speaker 7: a vehicle. I mean, they download all the information off

600
00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:53,973
Speaker 7: the computer, They find a completely excessive speed on a

601
00:27:54,013 --> 00:27:57,333
Speaker 7: gravel road at secret, so they decline it. So already

602
00:27:57,373 --> 00:27:59,733
Speaker 7: they've got all this information going. What it's going to

603
00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:02,893
Speaker 7: be is and what really needs to be managed is

604
00:28:02,933 --> 00:28:05,293
Speaker 7: if you look at the minister's press release, he's talking

605
00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:09,693
Speaker 7: about private companies running the system. That means you've got

606
00:28:10,053 --> 00:28:13,253
Speaker 7: private companies who've got your data and always not that

607
00:28:13,373 --> 00:28:16,053
Speaker 7: data is very valuable, and so how we manage that

608
00:28:16,213 --> 00:28:17,613
Speaker 7: is going to be one of the big challenges.

609
00:28:18,093 --> 00:28:20,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if it slips over into even just

610
00:28:20,253 --> 00:28:24,653
Speaker 2: mentioning congestion charges as adding another sort of social engineering

611
00:28:24,773 --> 00:28:27,413
Speaker 2: aspect to it. Are there any EERUT systems working like

612
00:28:27,493 --> 00:28:28,333
Speaker 2: this overseas?

613
00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:32,853
Speaker 7: Look I whild I had a Japanese import and I

614
00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:36,532
Speaker 7: flipped down the sun visor and underneath it was a

615
00:28:36,533 --> 00:28:39,133
Speaker 7: little pod where they just plugged in the transponder. And

616
00:28:39,173 --> 00:28:41,453
Speaker 7: so when they drove around Tokyo where the car came from,

617
00:28:41,573 --> 00:28:44,253
Speaker 7: every time that we passed a toll we passed onto

618
00:28:44,293 --> 00:28:47,453
Speaker 7: a certain road, they had automatically accumulated the charges and

619
00:28:47,493 --> 00:28:48,853
Speaker 7: then they would get a bill at the end of

620
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:52,933
Speaker 7: the month. So there are devices like that, and Singapore

621
00:28:53,013 --> 00:28:55,053
Speaker 7: uses it, in a couple of other countries. A number

622
00:28:55,053 --> 00:28:57,573
Speaker 7: of other countries just use it as well. London around

623
00:28:57,733 --> 00:29:01,613
Speaker 7: entry points into the city had those kind of devices

624
00:29:01,653 --> 00:29:05,973
Speaker 7: as well. There are some positive surrenders because if they're

625
00:29:05,973 --> 00:29:08,013
Speaker 7: going to build the system they nearly they need a

626
00:29:08,053 --> 00:29:11,253
Speaker 7: future should proof it because once you go to distance

627
00:29:11,253 --> 00:29:13,813
Speaker 7: space it unlocks a lot of other things, like the

628
00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,213
Speaker 7: way we pay our acc currently and this comes in

629
00:29:17,253 --> 00:29:19,973
Speaker 7: at twenty twenty seven. If you've got a motorcycle over

630
00:29:20,053 --> 00:29:23,253
Speaker 7: seven hundred and fifty ccs, you will be paying twelve

631
00:29:23,293 --> 00:29:26,053
Speaker 7: dollars shy of one thousand dollars a year to register

632
00:29:26,133 --> 00:29:30,173
Speaker 7: it or because of the aa ACC charges right now.

633
00:29:30,613 --> 00:29:32,573
Speaker 7: I know lots of guys have got two or three bikes,

634
00:29:32,613 --> 00:29:35,453
Speaker 7: but they only ride one and so you've got this

635
00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:38,893
Speaker 7: big contribution. So moving to a distance space for those

636
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:42,693
Speaker 7: motorcycles would overcome that problem of them double dipping around it,

637
00:29:43,053 --> 00:29:46,613
Speaker 7: and so for multiple vehicle owners, distance space will be

638
00:29:46,613 --> 00:29:47,693
Speaker 7: a really good thing.

639
00:29:48,093 --> 00:29:50,253
Speaker 3: But it's a good point, you know, I mean similar

640
00:29:50,293 --> 00:29:52,333
Speaker 3: with the WAFT system as well, Terry, that if you're

641
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:57,013
Speaker 3: going to have distance based charging for you know, distance

642
00:29:57,133 --> 00:29:59,613
Speaker 3: and then acc surely the WAFT would come into that

643
00:29:59,773 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 3: as well.

644
00:30:01,053 --> 00:30:02,893
Speaker 7: Well. Well, they had a doubt and the government just

645
00:30:03,013 --> 00:30:07,053
Speaker 7: changed the requirements for vintage cars, those cars over forty

646
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:10,813
Speaker 7: years to go from six monthly to twelve monthly because

647
00:30:11,693 --> 00:30:13,293
Speaker 7: for the pod and joy of most of the owners

648
00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:15,533
Speaker 7: have got them, they're well maintained, they don't do the

649
00:30:15,533 --> 00:30:18,133
Speaker 7: distances that other cars do and have a lower wall

650
00:30:18,173 --> 00:30:21,653
Speaker 7: on a fitness failure rate. The AA thinks that distance

651
00:30:21,773 --> 00:30:24,693
Speaker 7: traveled is a better indicator of where and tear on

652
00:30:24,773 --> 00:30:28,293
Speaker 7: a vehicle, not age. Regardless, you can have a brand

653
00:30:28,333 --> 00:30:31,253
Speaker 7: new car and have a three year want and it

654
00:30:31,253 --> 00:30:34,333
Speaker 7: could be doing thirty thousand kilometers a year because it's

655
00:30:34,373 --> 00:30:37,733
Speaker 7: an a fleet or whatever, and it's noble atomic, it's inspected,

656
00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:40,693
Speaker 7: it's done ninety thousand, versus something that could be the

657
00:30:40,733 --> 00:30:42,773
Speaker 7: forty years old gets done once a year. It's only

658
00:30:42,773 --> 00:30:43,493
Speaker 7: done twelve thousand.

659
00:30:43,773 --> 00:30:46,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, Terry, we're loving

660
00:30:46,173 --> 00:30:47,733
Speaker 3: this chatter. You're right to hold there. We're just going

661
00:30:47,773 --> 00:30:49,293
Speaker 3: to play some messages, but we'll come back with some

662
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:52,213
Speaker 3: more questions. Yeah, that's great, brilliant, Thank you very much.

663
00:30:52,373 --> 00:30:56,013
Speaker 3: We're speaking to Terry Collins, principal advisor for the AA.

664
00:30:56,413 --> 00:30:57,733
Speaker 3: We're going to come back with some more questions for

665
00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:58,293
Speaker 3: him very shortly.

666
00:30:58,413 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you've got any questions. I one hundred

667
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,493
Speaker 2: and eighty eight nineteen sixteen to two.

668
00:31:04,173 --> 00:31:07,093
Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath

669
00:31:07,173 --> 00:31:10,733
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams. Aren'tons have your say on eight hundred

670
00:31:12,013 --> 00:31:15,653
Speaker 1: talk afternoon. It is fourteen to two and we are

671
00:31:15,733 --> 00:31:20,413
Speaker 1: talking with Terry Collins. He's the principal advisor at the AA. Terry,

672
00:31:20,453 --> 00:31:21,773
Speaker 1: thanks very much for hanging on.

673
00:31:22,653 --> 00:31:24,213
Speaker 4: No, that's okay, and I'm Terry.

674
00:31:24,253 --> 00:31:25,533
Speaker 2: Look not for the first time in my life, I'm

675
00:31:25,533 --> 00:31:27,253
Speaker 2: a little bit confused. I'm just going to ask you

676
00:31:27,693 --> 00:31:31,453
Speaker 2: a question that you kind of seemi ask. But it's

677
00:31:31,493 --> 00:31:34,253
Speaker 2: not a pay in advance and display system like Diesel

678
00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:36,853
Speaker 2: Myers system. Now, So just to clarify, do you think

679
00:31:36,893 --> 00:31:39,653
Speaker 2: the government is talking about a physical device in every

680
00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:42,533
Speaker 2: car or is it cameras on the road or is

681
00:31:42,573 --> 00:31:44,773
Speaker 2: it just something that is marked off at warrant a

682
00:31:44,773 --> 00:31:47,773
Speaker 2: fitness or regio against eurodometer.

683
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:51,773
Speaker 7: Well, the details aren't there yet, but let's kind of

684
00:31:51,813 --> 00:31:56,093
Speaker 7: explore some of those options. If it's around checking itself,

685
00:31:56,093 --> 00:31:59,053
Speaker 7: declaring it, well, that's not going to unlock the congestion

686
00:31:59,173 --> 00:32:02,333
Speaker 7: and the tolling. So that announcement makes me believe that

687
00:32:02,373 --> 00:32:05,253
Speaker 7: they are thinking of some kind of physical device in

688
00:32:05,293 --> 00:32:09,293
Speaker 7: your vehicle that plots the distances that you're going there

689
00:32:09,293 --> 00:32:11,893
Speaker 7: and loves of rub because we've got modern cars that

690
00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:14,253
Speaker 7: have got a lot of that data already, but everage

691
00:32:14,253 --> 00:32:17,293
Speaker 7: age of our fleets about forty years before it leaves it,

692
00:32:17,613 --> 00:32:20,053
Speaker 7: so we've got our whole cars in there. And if

693
00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:22,253
Speaker 7: you think even if there's a million or two million,

694
00:32:22,253 --> 00:32:23,733
Speaker 7: and you've got to spend at least a couple of

695
00:32:23,773 --> 00:32:27,493
Speaker 7: hundred bucks to get the thing put in, and then

696
00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:30,133
Speaker 7: for the whole fleet, what's going to be the monitoring costs?

697
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:32,173
Speaker 7: How are they going to monitor it? Is it going

698
00:32:32,213 --> 00:32:34,213
Speaker 7: to be real time? And I suspect that would be

699
00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:38,653
Speaker 7: difficult expensive. Imagine four million vehicles trailing around getting tracked

700
00:32:38,693 --> 00:32:40,493
Speaker 7: every month. We know what our phone deals are like,

701
00:32:41,613 --> 00:32:44,653
Speaker 7: so look, we're waiting more detail about that. You've really

702
00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:47,933
Speaker 7: hit the right kind of question around this given that

703
00:32:47,973 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 7: they if they do put these transponded devices in it,

704
00:32:50,853 --> 00:32:55,413
Speaker 7: you've got both the initial and installation cost, but then

705
00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:58,053
Speaker 7: you've got your ongoing monthly or whatever the time period

706
00:32:58,173 --> 00:33:01,093
Speaker 7: is monitoring costs that go with it.

707
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:04,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and do we really want the government to know

708
00:33:04,453 --> 00:33:08,053
Speaker 2: exactly where we are in our car in real time

709
00:33:08,373 --> 00:33:12,133
Speaker 2: and what speed we're traveling at and exactly where we are?

710
00:33:12,253 --> 00:33:14,493
Speaker 2: Is that the kind of information we want the government?

711
00:33:14,533 --> 00:33:16,853
Speaker 2: And as you said before, also a private firm because

712
00:33:17,133 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 2: they want to take it out to private companies for

713
00:33:22,093 --> 00:33:25,453
Speaker 2: the the tech. So is that something that we want?

714
00:33:25,653 --> 00:33:28,693
Speaker 7: You think, well, too late, it's already here because every

715
00:33:28,693 --> 00:33:30,013
Speaker 7: time you're hoping your car with your cell.

716
00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:34,773
Speaker 2: Phone, we've voluntarily done it, haven't we.

717
00:33:35,293 --> 00:33:40,573
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, we've voluntarily done it. So here's yeah. I mean,

718
00:33:40,613 --> 00:33:43,253
Speaker 7: these are the challenges that are facing us around it. Obviously,

719
00:33:43,293 --> 00:33:45,493
Speaker 7: if you want to automate the system, and that's what

720
00:33:45,573 --> 00:33:47,373
Speaker 7: the indication for the government is they want to automate

721
00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:49,653
Speaker 7: it can really use Okay, this is what you've done,

722
00:33:49,893 --> 00:33:52,333
Speaker 7: here's your bill. But then you start thinking about these

723
00:33:52,373 --> 00:33:55,493
Speaker 7: kind of vehicles like a nineteen ten c veteran card.

724
00:33:55,573 --> 00:33:57,253
Speaker 7: You want to transport us sitting in it for the

725
00:33:57,533 --> 00:33:59,213
Speaker 7: for the your distance it's going. So there's going to

726
00:33:59,293 --> 00:34:03,293
Speaker 7: have to be some practical exemptions in some ways around it.

727
00:34:03,413 --> 00:34:05,653
Speaker 7: The data, i think, is me all the privacy and

728
00:34:05,693 --> 00:34:08,172
Speaker 7: those issues arrive and you get a bill for xCE

729
00:34:08,373 --> 00:34:11,853
Speaker 7: and to killermeters an hour in some ways for the

730
00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:15,373
Speaker 7: private could unlock the fringe benefits when you use a

731
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 7: cab privately when you don't when you're off road. For farmers,

732
00:34:18,773 --> 00:34:21,253
Speaker 7: no driving around the farm. I'm not paying any money

733
00:34:21,773 --> 00:34:24,133
Speaker 7: back on the road. I'm paying some money because I'm contributing.

734
00:34:24,373 --> 00:34:27,652
Speaker 7: There's a whole bunch of subtleties and nuances that have

735
00:34:27,773 --> 00:34:32,733
Speaker 7: to be explored further, given the issues around privacy, the

736
00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:35,573
Speaker 7: cost of installing, the cost of monitoring, and then the

737
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:36,333
Speaker 7: benefits from it.

738
00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:38,772
Speaker 3: With all that we've chatted about here, is it fear

739
00:34:38,813 --> 00:34:41,013
Speaker 3: to say that this is almost a bit like a

740
00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:43,533
Speaker 3: trojan horse that you bring in the system like this

741
00:34:43,693 --> 00:34:47,933
Speaker 3: that monitors everybody and we all think it's for road infrastructure,

742
00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:50,293
Speaker 3: But as the Minister said, there's other things that they

743
00:34:50,293 --> 00:34:53,333
Speaker 3: can utilize the system for. And to me that's a

744
00:34:53,373 --> 00:34:55,173
Speaker 3: bit too far that if we can all agree on

745
00:34:55,213 --> 00:34:57,813
Speaker 3: a ruck system to pay for road infrastructure, but then

746
00:34:57,853 --> 00:35:01,053
Speaker 3: to utilize that for something like congestion charges. No, no,

747
00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:02,573
Speaker 3: you can't. You can't play that game.

748
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:05,973
Speaker 7: Well, you think about GSC that they border it. It's

749
00:35:06,013 --> 00:35:07,973
Speaker 7: only going to be keen to see exactly twelve and

750
00:35:07,973 --> 00:35:11,253
Speaker 7: a half it was fifteen percent. So you kind of

751
00:35:11,293 --> 00:35:13,613
Speaker 7: hear these people. One government makes it can't make a

752
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:16,213
Speaker 7: commitment for future governments, we will never use this for

753
00:35:16,293 --> 00:35:20,493
Speaker 7: compliance or enforcement issues. That's a point in time. In

754
00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,773
Speaker 7: the future, there might be a different view where they decide, hey,

755
00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:24,813
Speaker 7: we've got all the data and it's do it. I

756
00:35:24,813 --> 00:35:27,133
Speaker 7: will tell you the story like I mentioned earlier about

757
00:35:27,773 --> 00:35:30,773
Speaker 7: people don't realize a guy and a trade in a

758
00:35:30,813 --> 00:35:33,692
Speaker 7: fifty two thousand dollars vehicle made an insurance claim because

759
00:35:33,693 --> 00:35:35,373
Speaker 7: he rode it off, said he was on a road.

760
00:35:35,653 --> 00:35:38,013
Speaker 7: When they got the computer information out, he was founding

761
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 7: one hundred and forty kilometers on the gravel road and

762
00:35:40,653 --> 00:35:42,652
Speaker 7: rolled it. Because he had not told the truth to

763
00:35:42,693 --> 00:35:47,053
Speaker 7: the insurance company, they declined it. So there's a whole

764
00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:49,493
Speaker 7: bunch of potential things like when people look at the

765
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:51,373
Speaker 7: bill and go, how come you done all that distance?

766
00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,813
Speaker 7: Or how come you didn't do all that distance it

767
00:35:54,893 --> 00:35:56,933
Speaker 7: is getting arraged in where you're going to have more

768
00:35:56,973 --> 00:35:59,333
Speaker 7: monitoring on it, and how that is managed is one

769
00:35:59,373 --> 00:36:00,133
Speaker 7: of the key issues.

770
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:03,093
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much. Terry Collins, Principal advisor for

771
00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:06,413
Speaker 2: the ACCA. Hey, sorry, but yeah.

772
00:36:06,453 --> 00:36:08,813
Speaker 3: I mean the more that you chet about it, the

773
00:36:08,853 --> 00:36:11,933
Speaker 3: more that I start to question bringing in that system

774
00:36:12,413 --> 00:36:15,653
Speaker 3: like that, just because that monitoring and using that data

775
00:36:15,733 --> 00:36:17,133
Speaker 3: far beyond its original intention.

776
00:36:17,373 --> 00:36:20,013
Speaker 2: I mean, you have crazy, evil people that will lower

777
00:36:20,053 --> 00:36:22,373
Speaker 2: the speed limit around a city to thirty kilometers in

778
00:36:22,373 --> 00:36:25,093
Speaker 2: an hour. So if they believe that that's the good

779
00:36:25,133 --> 00:36:26,973
Speaker 2: thing to do, it's not much of a step for

780
00:36:27,013 --> 00:36:29,933
Speaker 2: people that want to have their hands around your neck

781
00:36:29,973 --> 00:36:32,652
Speaker 2: that much to then immediately find you because they've got

782
00:36:32,693 --> 00:36:35,933
Speaker 2: a transponder in your car when you're going thirty five kilometers. Now, yeah,

783
00:36:36,053 --> 00:36:36,573
Speaker 2: very true.

784
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:38,213
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

785
00:36:38,293 --> 00:36:40,293
Speaker 3: number to call. It is eight to two.

786
00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:45,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

787
00:36:45,253 --> 00:36:46,133
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty.

788
00:36:46,213 --> 00:36:49,373
Speaker 4: It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

789
00:36:48,773 --> 00:36:53,413
Speaker 2: News DOGSB News TALKSB six to two. So the government's

790
00:36:53,413 --> 00:36:56,133
Speaker 2: preparing to ditch petrol tax and move all cars to

791
00:36:56,253 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 2: road user charges, but it's so complicated when you bring

792
00:36:58,813 --> 00:37:03,013
Speaker 2: an e erucks that's certainly a lot of fish shocks

793
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:07,413
Speaker 2: and a lot of weird, little unexpected consequences. Chris is

794
00:37:07,493 --> 00:37:10,013
Speaker 2: happy with US road use the charges. Excellent sorts out

795
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:14,293
Speaker 2: evs and I pay less for lawnmower and chainsaw petrol. Yes,

796
00:37:14,373 --> 00:37:19,293
Speaker 2: definitely should not be paying fuel exos tax for your

797
00:37:19,373 --> 00:37:23,813
Speaker 2: chainsaw and your bloody yeah lawnmowers, should you? Absolutely? Surel

798
00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:25,133
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

799
00:37:25,973 --> 00:37:28,253
Speaker 14: Hello, yes, look, and I think National may have just

800
00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:31,653
Speaker 14: lost the election based on that. I certainly don't trust

801
00:37:31,693 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 14: the government to have my information secure. They've proven they

802
00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:37,253
Speaker 14: can't keep things secure.

803
00:37:37,493 --> 00:37:38,733
Speaker 7: And I also don't.

804
00:37:38,573 --> 00:37:41,933
Speaker 14: Trust agencies coming in along on that and trying to

805
00:37:41,973 --> 00:37:44,652
Speaker 14: take that. You know, I don't quite understand it. So

806
00:37:44,693 --> 00:37:47,093
Speaker 14: I'm looking forward to listening to some more info. But

807
00:37:47,213 --> 00:37:49,293
Speaker 14: for me who has to use a vehicle, I must

808
00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:52,773
Speaker 14: use a vehicle because I carry stuff to work, et cetera.

809
00:37:54,053 --> 00:37:57,333
Speaker 14: It's quite penalizing, I think as well. But I don't

810
00:37:57,373 --> 00:37:59,373
Speaker 14: like it at all, to be honest, I think it's wrong.

811
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:02,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all very well until Chris Bishop mentioned

812
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:07,093
Speaker 2: you know, congestion charges and then yeah, and then you

813
00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:09,973
Speaker 2: start thinking what can be done there. So if it's

814
00:38:10,053 --> 00:38:12,652
Speaker 2: just if it's just doing the one thing of road

815
00:38:12,733 --> 00:38:14,893
Speaker 2: user charges, then I think most of us would be like,

816
00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:16,973
Speaker 2: this seems fairer than the current system.

817
00:38:17,053 --> 00:38:19,893
Speaker 14: Yeah, we all value our privacy and this is really

818
00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:21,973
Speaker 14: going to give some people a bit of a gult.

819
00:38:22,293 --> 00:38:26,173
Speaker 2: But if they start, you know, tracking where we are

820
00:38:26,213 --> 00:38:28,172
Speaker 2: and when we are at the same time as how

821
00:38:28,213 --> 00:38:32,333
Speaker 2: far we're going, then you know, if it just tracks distance, fine,

822
00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:34,613
Speaker 2: but anything else get out of my Okay.

823
00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:38,453
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly, Thanks you cool, Eryl, very good point.

824
00:38:38,493 --> 00:38:38,613
Speaker 15: Right.

825
00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:41,093
Speaker 2: We're going to carry this on after two o'clock.

826
00:38:41,173 --> 00:38:43,013
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. O, eight hundred and eighty

827
00:38:43,133 --> 00:38:45,693
Speaker 3: ten eighty, how do you feel about what's been proposed

828
00:38:45,693 --> 00:38:48,973
Speaker 3: for the ruck system, digital tracking and the like. Really

829
00:38:49,053 --> 00:38:51,053
Speaker 3: keen to get your views on this. Oh, eight hundred

830
00:38:51,053 --> 00:38:53,292
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

831
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:56,333
Speaker 3: two nine two is the text number is Well, if

832
00:38:56,373 --> 00:38:58,373
Speaker 3: you can't get through, keep trying. We've got full boards

833
00:38:58,413 --> 00:39:00,373
Speaker 3: at the moment. It's a hot topic. But love to

834
00:39:00,373 --> 00:39:03,453
Speaker 3: hear your thoughts. New sport and weather is coming up

835
00:39:03,493 --> 00:39:05,853
Speaker 3: great to have your company on this Wednesday afternoon.

836
00:39:05,853 --> 00:39:08,732
Speaker 2: You're listening to Matton Tyler. We'll see on the other side.

837
00:39:09,253 --> 00:39:11,813
Speaker 2: Will you give me a whole We can't fix that

838
00:39:12,013 --> 00:39:13,533
Speaker 2: if we have a facing.

839
00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:19,493
Speaker 4: Let the past be the pastas wavers talking with you

840
00:39:19,773 --> 00:39:20,573
Speaker 4: all afternoon.

841
00:39:20,853 --> 00:39:24,453
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

842
00:39:24,493 --> 00:39:24,773
Speaker 4: It'd be.

843
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:30,733
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.

844
00:39:30,773 --> 00:39:33,933
Speaker 3: Six past to road user charges is what we've been discussing,

845
00:39:33,973 --> 00:39:36,133
Speaker 3: and they are coming in across the board. The government

846
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:37,773
Speaker 3: announced that today they want to bring it in in

847
00:39:37,773 --> 00:39:39,973
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. There's still a bit of work to

848
00:39:40,013 --> 00:39:43,293
Speaker 3: do about how all the technology will work, and they

849
00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:45,333
Speaker 3: are the big quick questions we've been finding over the

850
00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:45,893
Speaker 3: last hour.

851
00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:50,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it seems like it's some kind of EERUT system.

852
00:39:50,813 --> 00:39:52,853
Speaker 2: As Chris Biship said today, a handful of e RUT

853
00:39:52,853 --> 00:39:55,173
Speaker 2: companies already do this for about half of our heavy

854
00:39:55,253 --> 00:39:57,853
Speaker 2: vehicle fleet, and there are several companies both to Mexican

855
00:39:57,893 --> 00:40:03,213
Speaker 2: International with innovative technology that could comply with ruck. Complying

856
00:40:03,253 --> 00:40:06,253
Speaker 2: with RUT cheaper and easier, he said, We're not going

857
00:40:06,293 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 2: to shift millions of drivers from a simple system at

858
00:40:08,213 --> 00:40:10,573
Speaker 2: the hump to queues at the retailers. Instead of expanding

859
00:40:10,573 --> 00:40:13,413
Speaker 2: a clinky government system, we will reform the rules to

860
00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:17,453
Speaker 2: allow the market to deliver innovative, user friendly services for drivers.

861
00:40:18,093 --> 00:40:21,173
Speaker 2: Now this Texas says, I've worked on ruck programs around

862
00:40:21,173 --> 00:40:23,692
Speaker 2: the world. Nothing government has said in this announcement would

863
00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:26,373
Speaker 2: make it mandatory to do more than a dometive reporting.

864
00:40:26,653 --> 00:40:30,973
Speaker 2: The option to include location exists now with the ruck.

865
00:40:31,413 --> 00:40:35,853
Speaker 2: So the bit that we're concerned about is this from

866
00:40:36,693 --> 00:40:40,253
Speaker 2: Christopher Bishop allowing bundling of other road charges like tolls

867
00:40:40,293 --> 00:40:44,333
Speaker 2: and time of used based processing into a single easy payment.

868
00:40:44,893 --> 00:40:48,812
Speaker 2: So if you take an e ERUCK system and terms

869
00:40:48,853 --> 00:40:54,253
Speaker 2: such as a time of use based timing pricing, I

870
00:40:54,293 --> 00:40:57,453
Speaker 2: mean that suggests that they're tracking where you are. Yeah,

871
00:40:57,573 --> 00:40:59,853
Speaker 2: and then we might be wrong there. Maybe that's been

872
00:40:59,933 --> 00:41:03,693
Speaker 2: mis spoken. But if it has the ability to do that,

873
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:06,212
Speaker 2: they might not do it, but the next government might

874
00:41:06,253 --> 00:41:08,933
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, they might, they might. Who knows. I mean,

875
00:41:09,333 --> 00:41:12,893
Speaker 2: is it going to be like an oscopiastri situation at

876
00:41:12,893 --> 00:41:16,813
Speaker 2: the Silvesten graand pee when you know? So he got

877
00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:20,733
Speaker 2: some ten second penalty for breaking from two hundred and

878
00:41:20,773 --> 00:41:23,413
Speaker 2: eighteen kilometers an hour to fifty two kilometers an hour.

879
00:41:23,613 --> 00:41:26,373
Speaker 2: The stuarts, you know, he was saying, you know, they

880
00:41:26,373 --> 00:41:28,413
Speaker 2: were talking about what kind of penalty it would be,

881
00:41:29,093 --> 00:41:31,933
Speaker 2: back and forth for Claren and then the FIA just

882
00:41:31,973 --> 00:41:35,172
Speaker 2: had all the information. So like, well, mate, you break

883
00:41:35,213 --> 00:41:37,093
Speaker 2: from two on eight and kilometers an hour to fifty

884
00:41:37,093 --> 00:41:39,573
Speaker 2: two kilometers an hour and that, as far as we're concerned,

885
00:41:39,693 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 2: is statistically speaking erratic driving. So there's a second penalty

886
00:41:44,373 --> 00:41:45,893
Speaker 2: and it lost in the Grand Prix.

887
00:41:45,933 --> 00:41:48,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great if one analogy, and I think

888
00:41:48,013 --> 00:41:50,573
Speaker 3: that is pretty close to the mark when and it's

889
00:41:50,573 --> 00:41:52,613
Speaker 3: fair to say that we bullet point was in the

890
00:41:52,653 --> 00:41:55,333
Speaker 3: media release and we'll read that again, allowing bundling of

891
00:41:55,333 --> 00:41:58,053
Speaker 3: other road user charges like tolls and time of use

892
00:41:58,093 --> 00:42:01,172
Speaker 3: based pricing into a single easy payment and as you say,

893
00:42:01,213 --> 00:42:03,893
Speaker 3: the time of use discussion, that is still a debate

894
00:42:03,973 --> 00:42:07,173
Speaker 3: that is raging. Many people are pushing back at this idea.

895
00:42:07,213 --> 00:42:07,813
Speaker 3: It's the same as.

896
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:09,893
Speaker 2: Conditions horrible social engineering.

897
00:42:09,973 --> 00:42:12,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it does feel more and more like a

898
00:42:12,293 --> 00:42:14,253
Speaker 3: bit of a trojan horse that we can all agree

899
00:42:14,293 --> 00:42:16,813
Speaker 3: on the ruck system might be a fairer way and

900
00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:19,133
Speaker 3: we get rid of the fuel excise tax. But then

901
00:42:19,213 --> 00:42:21,533
Speaker 3: to say, hey, we could also use this for congestion

902
00:42:21,693 --> 00:42:23,333
Speaker 3: charging dirty.

903
00:42:23,053 --> 00:42:26,292
Speaker 2: On the other side, this Texas says, take a shell pill,

904
00:42:26,373 --> 00:42:29,613
Speaker 2: you guys. Those of us using toll roads here and

905
00:42:29,653 --> 00:42:32,693
Speaker 2: overseas already use the technology. It's hassle free and no abuse.

906
00:42:33,013 --> 00:42:35,773
Speaker 2: As for the evil government theory, a basic level of

907
00:42:35,773 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 2: efficiency is needed for evil, We're miles away from that.

908
00:42:39,013 --> 00:42:43,812
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. Yeah, but you know, if there's

909
00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:47,212
Speaker 2: a device that's tracking your speed for example, right, yeah,

910
00:42:47,253 --> 00:42:50,013
Speaker 2: And if you're tracking distance, then it's not hard to

911
00:42:50,053 --> 00:42:53,493
Speaker 2: track speed, is it. No, If you're tracking distance and time,

912
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:57,973
Speaker 2: then you get speed, right yep. So who's to say

913
00:42:57,973 --> 00:43:00,732
Speaker 2: that a government won't go, oh, you're traveling thirty five

914
00:43:00,813 --> 00:43:04,973
Speaker 2: k kilometers an hour in the thirty kilometer of the zone. Yeah,

915
00:43:05,013 --> 00:43:07,333
Speaker 2: like we have around Auckland and other centers in New Zealand.

916
00:43:07,373 --> 00:43:08,773
Speaker 2: And who's going to be running the system. A lot

917
00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:10,973
Speaker 2: of people are talking about e road that's been utilized

918
00:43:10,973 --> 00:43:13,613
Speaker 2: by the transport industry, but I don't want E road

919
00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:16,333
Speaker 2: being forced into my vehicle. It's not that I don't

920
00:43:16,373 --> 00:43:18,413
Speaker 2: trust e road, but why would a third party come

921
00:43:18,453 --> 00:43:20,693
Speaker 2: into the mix there? And you can't tell me the

922
00:43:20,693 --> 00:43:22,773
Speaker 2: government's going to set up their own system like EOD.

923
00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:25,453
Speaker 2: They don't have the expertise and capability of money. He's

924
00:43:25,493 --> 00:43:28,773
Speaker 2: clearly saying that he wants to partner with private companies, right, So,

925
00:43:28,853 --> 00:43:31,173
Speaker 2: then do we have to pay for a device that

926
00:43:31,253 --> 00:43:33,413
Speaker 2: tracks us? The other side of that we all do

927
00:43:33,453 --> 00:43:37,293
Speaker 2: anyway with our smartphones in our pockets. Very true. It's

928
00:43:37,333 --> 00:43:40,573
Speaker 2: an interesting and complex discussion. Mark you're in favor of.

929
00:43:40,573 --> 00:43:45,013
Speaker 16: It, yeah, big time, afternoon, gentlemen. I think I look

930
00:43:45,053 --> 00:43:50,733
Speaker 16: at my family unit where I've got a hybrid SUV

931
00:43:51,453 --> 00:43:54,213
Speaker 16: for the family. My daughter's got a little Zuzuki Swift

932
00:43:54,813 --> 00:43:57,813
Speaker 16: and that runs on a smell oily rag. And I've

933
00:43:57,813 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 16: got a V eight that I enjoy on the weekends.

934
00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:03,013
Speaker 16: So on the weekends when I fill up my tank

935
00:44:03,053 --> 00:44:05,133
Speaker 16: of gas and I want to go one hundred K,

936
00:44:05,293 --> 00:44:07,493
Speaker 16: that's fourteen leaders per one hundred K, or with a

937
00:44:07,573 --> 00:44:11,813
Speaker 16: V eight undred octane, so that one hundred color kilometer trip,

938
00:44:12,533 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 16: pay a lot of tax in that, you know, that's

939
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:17,413
Speaker 16: fourteen times two dollars worth of tax. That's twenty eight

940
00:44:17,453 --> 00:44:20,373
Speaker 16: dollars just to just to drive one hundred K. If

941
00:44:20,373 --> 00:44:22,933
Speaker 16: I do the same thing, in little my little daughter's

942
00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:26,413
Speaker 16: Auzuki Swift. She's six leaders for one hundred k the

943
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:30,133
Speaker 16: little Zuki Swift, so that that trip costs me a

944
00:44:30,133 --> 00:44:30,693
Speaker 16: lot less.

945
00:44:30,933 --> 00:44:33,533
Speaker 2: So if you if you take climate concerns out of

946
00:44:33,573 --> 00:44:36,853
Speaker 2: the equation, you're traveling the same distance on the roads,

947
00:44:36,893 --> 00:44:39,693
Speaker 2: but paying a lot more due to the cost of fuel.

948
00:44:40,733 --> 00:44:41,053
Speaker 7: Yeah.

949
00:44:41,213 --> 00:44:45,573
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and I don't think any ki we would object

950
00:44:45,613 --> 00:44:48,413
Speaker 16: to only paying, as you say, seventy cents per liter

951
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:52,293
Speaker 16: at the pump. That sounds fantastic. And to your point

952
00:44:52,293 --> 00:44:56,693
Speaker 16: earlier around people that have multi vehicle families, it actually

953
00:44:56,773 --> 00:45:01,212
Speaker 16: encourages us to keep our vehicles tuned. It encourages us

954
00:45:01,253 --> 00:45:07,493
Speaker 16: to actually have more fuel efficient vehicles. But when you

955
00:45:07,573 --> 00:45:10,212
Speaker 16: hear from you over the minister saying, oh, the rich

956
00:45:10,293 --> 00:45:13,613
Speaker 16: can afford more fuel efficient vehicles, hang on a second,

957
00:45:14,173 --> 00:45:17,933
Speaker 16: A million to McLaren, that's a V twelve. How much

958
00:45:17,973 --> 00:45:19,853
Speaker 16: does that cost for it to do one hundred cage?

959
00:45:19,893 --> 00:45:25,133
Speaker 17: Guys, you will put the foot down and that's what

960
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:30,133
Speaker 17: twenty thirty leaders of fuel that consumes currently at the moment.

961
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:33,013
Speaker 16: You know, the guys with the big with the big

962
00:45:33,053 --> 00:45:35,692
Speaker 16: engines are paying the big amount of tax, but they're

963
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:39,692
Speaker 16: still using the vet the road the same, and I'd

964
00:45:39,893 --> 00:45:43,093
Speaker 16: really like to see road user charges for everyone. That's fair.

965
00:45:43,613 --> 00:45:46,493
Speaker 16: The bragging that goes on at the electric vehicles about

966
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:48,573
Speaker 16: how they don't have to pay road user charges but

967
00:45:48,573 --> 00:45:51,613
Speaker 16: they still use the road. And then you guys had

968
00:45:51,613 --> 00:45:53,933
Speaker 16: an article a couple of weeks ago about we've got

969
00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 16: over two hundred thousand potholes that we can't afford to

970
00:45:57,093 --> 00:46:00,213
Speaker 16: fix our roads at the moment, they are atrocious and

971
00:46:00,293 --> 00:46:03,692
Speaker 16: the roads are currently being theft. The theft that's going

972
00:46:03,733 --> 00:46:06,652
Speaker 16: on on the road cones from from all the road

973
00:46:06,733 --> 00:46:09,813
Speaker 16: user charges. So it's a complex issue. And I know

974
00:46:09,853 --> 00:46:13,053
Speaker 16: that you've got a good point around privacy and how

975
00:46:13,093 --> 00:46:16,213
Speaker 16: we actually let that, but road user charges we've been

976
00:46:16,253 --> 00:46:20,133
Speaker 16: doing that for decades with with diesel, and you guys

977
00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:21,733
Speaker 16: have got to get out of your metro Jeff for

978
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:26,133
Speaker 16: opinions around toll charges. Guys, how many toll roads are

979
00:46:26,133 --> 00:46:27,093
Speaker 16: there in this country?

980
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 2: Four?

981
00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:30,252
Speaker 3: I believe, is that right? So you've got four three

982
00:46:30,293 --> 00:46:31,453
Speaker 3: in one entitlement.

983
00:46:32,213 --> 00:46:34,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, there you go, three in Awkland, So it's an

984
00:46:34,213 --> 00:46:37,732
Speaker 16: Auckland problem for the rest of the country. Yeah, good

985
00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:38,773
Speaker 16: good on you guys.

986
00:46:39,773 --> 00:46:40,213
Speaker 18: Condition.

987
00:46:41,573 --> 00:46:45,933
Speaker 16: Yeah, the same question. Guys are congestion. You know, we're

988
00:46:45,973 --> 00:46:50,093
Speaker 16: looking at you. You're looking at a universal, universally fear

989
00:46:50,693 --> 00:46:54,493
Speaker 16: system respect of how they collect. That will result in

990
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:57,293
Speaker 16: us improving our roads, making them safe, for getting rid

991
00:46:57,333 --> 00:47:00,933
Speaker 16: of the potholes, putting in right things. This could potentially

992
00:47:00,933 --> 00:47:05,013
Speaker 16: save lives and it would mean less for most Kiwi

993
00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:05,973
Speaker 16: families at the pump?

994
00:47:06,173 --> 00:47:06,692
Speaker 4: What do you say?

995
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 2: What do you say about? That's though? Mark is there's

996
00:47:08,813 --> 00:47:12,172
Speaker 2: a bunch of texts coming through here that says, you know,

997
00:47:12,213 --> 00:47:15,893
Speaker 2: around your V eight, doesn't anyone understand the urgent need

998
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:16,933
Speaker 2: to reduce emissions?

999
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:22,773
Speaker 16: My V eight's got a dual Cadillac converter that is

1000
00:47:23,013 --> 00:47:26,013
Speaker 16: very clean. It's not spitting out hard and not spitting

1001
00:47:26,013 --> 00:47:28,933
Speaker 16: out hard containments. I use high octane, which is very lean.

1002
00:47:29,533 --> 00:47:31,813
Speaker 16: I would sit my V eight next to any of

1003
00:47:31,813 --> 00:47:36,692
Speaker 16: your untuned piece of shit diesels. Mate, you know, and

1004
00:47:36,733 --> 00:47:39,533
Speaker 16: you you idling, you'd use more, you'd use more carbon

1005
00:47:39,573 --> 00:47:41,933
Speaker 16: than I do on one hundred one hundred K trips.

1006
00:47:41,933 --> 00:47:43,413
Speaker 2: So what is your vight? Mate?

1007
00:47:44,493 --> 00:47:44,773
Speaker 18: Sorry?

1008
00:47:44,853 --> 00:47:48,613
Speaker 16: What is your v It's a old mate's she's a

1009
00:47:48,653 --> 00:47:55,573
Speaker 16: red line SSV twenty fourteen six letter beautiful thing, love, beautiful.

1010
00:47:55,093 --> 00:47:58,373
Speaker 2: Thing sounds like we are your children, mate, Oh.

1011
00:47:58,053 --> 00:48:01,573
Speaker 16: It is, it's one of the family. I taught my

1012
00:48:01,653 --> 00:48:04,053
Speaker 16: daughter to drive it. An insurance company thought that was

1013
00:48:04,093 --> 00:48:06,653
Speaker 16: a great, great laugh. You want to ensure your sixteen

1014
00:48:06,693 --> 00:48:08,692
Speaker 16: year old daughter to learn how to drive. She will

1015
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:11,333
Speaker 16: respect the road. And she's got some power on that pedal.

1016
00:48:11,893 --> 00:48:13,453
Speaker 16: And the first thing she did was said in it

1017
00:48:13,533 --> 00:48:15,453
Speaker 16: and we're in the car park. She put the four

1018
00:48:15,533 --> 00:48:19,373
Speaker 16: down with a put down with the traction control off, stopped,

1019
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:22,652
Speaker 16: burst into tears. That's how you learn respect on the road.

1020
00:48:23,013 --> 00:48:27,732
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, ye, So you're begetting what twelve leaders are

1021
00:48:28,613 --> 00:48:30,573
Speaker 2: per hundred k economy?

1022
00:48:30,693 --> 00:48:34,893
Speaker 16: Well, if you if you drive, if you drive sensibly,

1023
00:48:35,293 --> 00:48:37,453
Speaker 16: and you can get twelve to fourteen leaders for one

1024
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:41,213
Speaker 16: hundred k on the on the V eight, the hybrid

1025
00:48:41,253 --> 00:48:43,053
Speaker 16: I do one hundred, I do one hundred k, and

1026
00:48:43,093 --> 00:48:45,173
Speaker 16: the high rid will do about four or five leaders

1027
00:48:45,213 --> 00:48:48,453
Speaker 16: for one one hundred k. The little Zuzuki Swift gets

1028
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:51,213
Speaker 16: about six or seven leaders per one hundred k. So

1029
00:48:51,373 --> 00:48:53,533
Speaker 16: any Kiwi family can look at that and go, right,

1030
00:48:53,613 --> 00:48:56,653
Speaker 16: seventy cents a liter, what does that one hundred kilometer

1031
00:48:56,733 --> 00:48:58,293
Speaker 16: trip actually cost us?

1032
00:48:58,773 --> 00:48:59,013
Speaker 7: Right?

1033
00:48:59,693 --> 00:49:02,453
Speaker 16: And then you take a look at how much we're

1034
00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:06,773
Speaker 16: currently paying in tax on that one hundred kilometer trip,

1035
00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,853
Speaker 16: and then compare that to what the proposed new systems

1036
00:49:09,893 --> 00:49:12,893
Speaker 16: to see whether, as you said earlier, the trojan horse

1037
00:49:13,213 --> 00:49:16,732
Speaker 16: of the government introducing a tax increase, because of course

1038
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:20,773
Speaker 16: the National government doesn't increase taxes, We just increase them elsewhere.

1039
00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:24,292
Speaker 16: So you know, what is the true story that's being

1040
00:49:24,333 --> 00:49:27,773
Speaker 16: told here? And my question to the government is in

1041
00:49:27,853 --> 00:49:32,053
Speaker 16: twenty twenty five, one hundred kilometer for most Kiwi families,

1042
00:49:32,173 --> 00:49:35,573
Speaker 16: is this amount of tax under your new system? Oce

1043
00:49:35,613 --> 00:49:37,333
Speaker 16: Kiwe families? How much tax is it?

1044
00:49:38,453 --> 00:49:38,692
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1045
00:49:38,773 --> 00:49:40,973
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, mark good questions.

1046
00:49:41,293 --> 00:49:43,853
Speaker 2: So this is what you know, this is, this is

1047
00:49:43,853 --> 00:49:48,533
Speaker 2: the idea of it. So Chris Bishop said, it's a

1048
00:49:48,533 --> 00:49:51,133
Speaker 2: move to all vehicles paying rucks comes as the relationship

1049
00:49:51,133 --> 00:49:54,212
Speaker 2: between petrol consumption and roads uses is a fast breaking down.

1050
00:49:54,253 --> 00:49:57,133
Speaker 2: For example, petrol vehicles with better fuel economy contribute less

1051
00:49:57,893 --> 00:50:02,133
Speaker 2: feed per kilometer towards road maintenance operations and improvements. Yeah,

1052
00:50:02,293 --> 00:50:05,373
Speaker 2: that's the idea, But I mean National in the past

1053
00:50:05,413 --> 00:50:08,213
Speaker 2: has of course increased taxes. Absolutely, yes, d jumped up

1054
00:50:08,253 --> 00:50:10,133
Speaker 2: the fifteen, didn't it? Very true to John Key?

1055
00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:11,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1056
00:50:11,933 --> 00:50:15,693
Speaker 3: number to call at seventeen past two.

1057
00:50:15,453 --> 00:50:20,293
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

1058
00:50:20,173 --> 00:50:22,813
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk. Said the.

1059
00:50:24,493 --> 00:50:26,413
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It's twenty past two. We're

1060
00:50:26,413 --> 00:50:28,693
Speaker 3: talking about the ruck system that the government wants to

1061
00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:30,013
Speaker 3: bring in in two years time.

1062
00:50:30,093 --> 00:50:30,173
Speaker 19: Now.

1063
00:50:30,213 --> 00:50:32,252
Speaker 3: I mentioned before the toll roads, and I got that wrong.

1064
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:33,453
Speaker 3: I said there was four toll roads.

1065
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:34,533
Speaker 2: There's not. There are three.

1066
00:50:34,813 --> 00:50:36,893
Speaker 3: There is one in Auckland, two in totong A, and

1067
00:50:36,933 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 3: a fourth one is set to open in twenty twenty

1068
00:50:39,093 --> 00:50:41,533
Speaker 3: six that will connect State Highway one to the Funga

1069
00:50:41,573 --> 00:50:43,773
Speaker 3: padowa peninsula north of Auckland. So there will be four

1070
00:50:43,813 --> 00:50:46,173
Speaker 3: from next year. But just to clarify that, and a

1071
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:48,413
Speaker 3: lot of people are texting through saying EV's don't have

1072
00:50:48,493 --> 00:50:50,293
Speaker 3: to pay road user charges.

1073
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:50,813
Speaker 2: That is wrong.

1074
00:50:50,853 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 3: That was brought in in April last year. So pure

1075
00:50:53,853 --> 00:50:56,133
Speaker 3: evs have to pay the same as diesel that is

1076
00:50:56,133 --> 00:50:59,373
Speaker 3: seventy six dollars per one thousand kilometers and for me

1077
00:50:59,533 --> 00:51:01,533
Speaker 3: a PHGV we pay thirty eight bucks.

1078
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:03,333
Speaker 2: The six there's you muppets need to get out more.

1079
00:51:03,373 --> 00:51:05,373
Speaker 2: There are two toll roads in Totong here. That's why

1080
00:51:06,053 --> 00:51:09,053
Speaker 2: Tyler is making that clear. We meet you, muppet. I

1081
00:51:09,093 --> 00:51:11,773
Speaker 2: never said that. I never said that. There we go.

1082
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Speaker 3: You're good to correct things on the show, and that

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Speaker 3: is done. Eighteen eighty the number to call.

1084
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Speaker 2: B Welcome to the show. How are you very good?

1085
00:51:21,253 --> 00:51:23,373
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling your thoughts.

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00:51:24,133 --> 00:51:31,493
Speaker 20: Yes, now I can give my opinion from both sides.

1087
00:51:31,533 --> 00:51:36,533
Speaker 20: To run a personal car is a hybrid. My work

1088
00:51:36,653 --> 00:51:42,373
Speaker 20: car is a hybrid too. It's luxe and and his

1089
00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:47,013
Speaker 20: little cronies and I call them cronies, bringles in. Then

1090
00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:53,013
Speaker 20: that will have an effect on us support workers. I mean,

1091
00:51:53,133 --> 00:51:55,293
Speaker 20: it really doesn't affect me, as I said, because I've

1092
00:51:55,293 --> 00:51:58,573
Speaker 20: got a work car, but for my colleagues and there

1093
00:51:58,813 --> 00:52:02,973
Speaker 20: who use their car to travel from home to home,

1094
00:52:03,733 --> 00:52:05,893
Speaker 20: supporting the people that they need to be.

1095
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:09,493
Speaker 2: But they're already paying. They're already paying with the fuel

1096
00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:15,053
Speaker 2: excise tax, so there already, so this this won't necessarily

1097
00:52:15,093 --> 00:52:20,613
Speaker 2: be any more cost you any more for driving around. Well,

1098
00:52:20,813 --> 00:52:23,533
Speaker 2: the fuel so right now, right now, what you do

1099
00:52:23,613 --> 00:52:26,772
Speaker 2: is you pay fuel excised duty at the pump, right

1100
00:52:27,093 --> 00:52:29,693
Speaker 2: and that's about seventy cents per liter of petrol. So

1101
00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:32,853
Speaker 2: I think the idea is that that seventy cents, and

1102
00:52:33,413 --> 00:52:36,013
Speaker 2: they may well may well end up being more, who

1103
00:52:36,013 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 2: knows how it lend out, but that that won't be paid.

1104
00:52:39,453 --> 00:52:41,573
Speaker 2: So you won't be paying the full ex the fuel

1105
00:52:41,573 --> 00:52:44,733
Speaker 2: excise duty at the pump, but you will be in

1106
00:52:44,773 --> 00:52:48,453
Speaker 2: some way tracked, so you pay per kilometer that you travel.

1107
00:52:48,853 --> 00:52:51,212
Speaker 2: So there's a good chance that these people that you're

1108
00:52:51,213 --> 00:52:54,013
Speaker 2: talking about, the support workers, will end up paying the same.

1109
00:52:54,973 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 20: But then is it fair that they pay that when

1110
00:52:58,053 --> 00:53:00,053
Speaker 20: they are doing their job? I mean, if it was

1111
00:53:00,173 --> 00:53:04,373
Speaker 20: for personal use, I can understand that. But where we I.

1112
00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:07,933
Speaker 2: Mean again, I guess, I guess, I guess B sorry

1113
00:53:07,973 --> 00:53:10,933
Speaker 2: that that's that you could argue that absolutely right now

1114
00:53:11,533 --> 00:53:14,493
Speaker 2: with the fuel exis tax, with the full fuel exis

1115
00:53:14,573 --> 00:53:18,253
Speaker 2: duty as well, if people are driving around helping people,

1116
00:53:18,653 --> 00:53:21,253
Speaker 2: then yes, I mean, it does seem a bit harsh

1117
00:53:21,253 --> 00:53:23,893
Speaker 2: that they're paying seventy cents per leader to do.

1118
00:53:24,493 --> 00:53:25,733
Speaker 3: I mean, thank you so much for your call. Be

1119
00:53:26,093 --> 00:53:28,533
Speaker 3: I just did a quick calculation. So the average and

1120
00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:31,333
Speaker 3: this is according to Google, but the average cost for

1121
00:53:31,413 --> 00:53:35,013
Speaker 3: driving one k in petro is sixteen cents and to

1122
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:37,453
Speaker 3: do the calculations for the road to use a charger

1123
00:53:37,453 --> 00:53:39,453
Speaker 3: based on what it is now seventy six dollars per

1124
00:53:39,493 --> 00:53:43,173
Speaker 3: one thousand, k seven cents. So arguably, if you're a

1125
00:53:43,213 --> 00:53:45,173
Speaker 3: regular user, you are going to be saving money with

1126
00:53:45,213 --> 00:53:46,733
Speaker 3: the road user charge.

1127
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:49,493
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So I mean for people like B.

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00:53:50,013 --> 00:53:53,653
Speaker 3: I think arguably B, the road user charge might actually

1129
00:53:53,653 --> 00:53:55,493
Speaker 3: work out better for you because you're already paying a

1130
00:53:55,533 --> 00:53:58,533
Speaker 3: lot in the few week size tax yea stands.

1131
00:53:58,293 --> 00:54:00,373
Speaker 2: Yes, so you're paying well currently you're paying twenty eight

1132
00:54:00,413 --> 00:54:04,772
Speaker 2: dollars for an exos tax for a forty meter tank. Yeah,

1133
00:54:04,813 --> 00:54:05,733
Speaker 2: which is a lot of money.

1134
00:54:06,213 --> 00:54:06,333
Speaker 17: Right.

1135
00:54:06,373 --> 00:54:08,093
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1136
00:54:08,093 --> 00:54:09,413
Speaker 3: of cour all got to take a break. It is

1137
00:54:09,493 --> 00:54:10,613
Speaker 3: twenty four past two.

1138
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:17,973
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and

1139
00:54:18,053 --> 00:54:19,773
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk.

1140
00:54:19,653 --> 00:54:24,533
Speaker 3: ZB afternoon twenty six past two. Gary, you reckon it

1141
00:54:24,653 --> 00:54:26,053
Speaker 3: is crazy stuff.

1142
00:54:26,973 --> 00:54:29,173
Speaker 21: Yes, I think it's all just a load of nonsense mate,

1143
00:54:29,533 --> 00:54:31,853
Speaker 21: like GST. You know they put it in a ten

1144
00:54:31,853 --> 00:54:34,933
Speaker 21: percent went up to fifteen. I think it's just making

1145
00:54:35,013 --> 00:54:37,813
Speaker 21: more revenue for the government. About this whole I used

1146
00:54:37,853 --> 00:54:39,773
Speaker 21: to own it as a vehicle, which I paid more

1147
00:54:39,813 --> 00:54:41,813
Speaker 21: money to run that thing than the petrol one that

1148
00:54:41,853 --> 00:54:44,292
Speaker 21: I've got now. So I think they should just stick

1149
00:54:44,333 --> 00:54:47,613
Speaker 21: with what we've got and increase that the excise tax

1150
00:54:47,653 --> 00:54:48,773
Speaker 21: on petrol at the pump.

1151
00:54:49,653 --> 00:54:53,893
Speaker 2: But what about the the hybrids and the low the

1152
00:54:53,973 --> 00:54:56,893
Speaker 2: high fuel efficiency cars are doing the same amount of

1153
00:54:56,933 --> 00:54:58,453
Speaker 2: damage to the road but not paying as much.

1154
00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:01,493
Speaker 21: Yeah, I do see your point. I hadn't really thought

1155
00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:04,533
Speaker 21: about that, but I just tend to think it was

1156
00:55:04,613 --> 00:55:06,493
Speaker 21: better to stick with what we've got. But that's just

1157
00:55:06,573 --> 00:55:08,813
Speaker 21: my opinion. I don't want to be monitored buy some

1158
00:55:08,933 --> 00:55:12,653
Speaker 21: strepment government doing what I'm doing and knowing what I'm doing,

1159
00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:14,493
Speaker 21: and I think we just need to stop the sin

1160
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:16,893
Speaker 21: it's tracks. But that's just my opinion.

1161
00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:18,692
Speaker 2: A lot of people would agree with that, Gary, Thank

1162
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:20,573
Speaker 2: you very much. Thank you all right?

1163
00:55:20,613 --> 00:55:26,293
Speaker 3: You go well, Gary, Leon you've got a PAGV, Yeah,

1164
00:55:26,653 --> 00:55:26,853
Speaker 3: I have.

1165
00:55:27,013 --> 00:55:31,053
Speaker 22: We've got a plug in hybrid. I got this before

1166
00:55:31,093 --> 00:55:36,373
Speaker 22: the government change to the to the tank system. And

1167
00:55:37,853 --> 00:55:41,133
Speaker 22: the thing is, I don't do really short trips, so

1168
00:55:41,653 --> 00:55:44,533
Speaker 22: I do use the hybrid side of it, but I

1169
00:55:44,573 --> 00:55:46,413
Speaker 22: also do a lot of other kilometers, so I do

1170
00:55:46,453 --> 00:55:50,013
Speaker 22: about thirty thousand k's a year, and I pay on

1171
00:55:50,093 --> 00:55:52,413
Speaker 22: average about three hundred and fifty dollars a month in

1172
00:55:52,493 --> 00:55:56,732
Speaker 22: fuel on top of my road user charges. So when

1173
00:55:56,733 --> 00:55:58,573
Speaker 22: I look at this, I think that's a much fairer

1174
00:55:58,653 --> 00:56:03,013
Speaker 22: system for the plug in hybrids, because, to be fair,

1175
00:56:03,133 --> 00:56:05,093
Speaker 22: the amount of case that I'm doing in this car,

1176
00:56:05,533 --> 00:56:07,692
Speaker 22: I'm probably paying more than my fair share of road

1177
00:56:07,773 --> 00:56:08,293
Speaker 22: us charges.

1178
00:56:08,653 --> 00:56:08,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1179
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd agree with that, Leon, because I'd be on

1180
00:56:11,293 --> 00:56:13,013
Speaker 3: the other side that I've got a PHGV and I

1181
00:56:13,093 --> 00:56:15,573
Speaker 3: pay my thirty eight bucks ruck system, but I use

1182
00:56:15,653 --> 00:56:18,373
Speaker 3: mostly electric and i don't use too much petrol, so

1183
00:56:18,413 --> 00:56:20,812
Speaker 3: I'm getting a pretty sweet deal there, and You're getting

1184
00:56:20,813 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 3: the worse deal. So that's not fair on both both sides.

1185
00:56:24,493 --> 00:56:24,692
Speaker 23: Yeah.

1186
00:56:24,733 --> 00:56:27,213
Speaker 22: And my wife has a Rare four which is a

1187
00:56:27,253 --> 00:56:30,293
Speaker 22: non plug in hybrid, and she gets pretty much the

1188
00:56:30,373 --> 00:56:34,493
Speaker 22: same kilometer to petrol ratio that I do in my

1189
00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:40,573
Speaker 22: smushy Outlander, but she doesn't play the rug charges. You know,

1190
00:56:41,093 --> 00:56:43,133
Speaker 22: it's to be fair at the company cash of it.

1191
00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:43,213
Speaker 4: But.

1192
00:56:46,493 --> 00:56:49,613
Speaker 22: If you work it out, I would say if I

1193
00:56:49,693 --> 00:56:52,212
Speaker 22: sold this in the current system, I wouldn't buy another

1194
00:56:52,213 --> 00:56:52,893
Speaker 22: plug in hybrid.

1195
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:56,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, Leon, you make some good points. Thank you very much.

1196
00:56:57,293 --> 00:56:58,692
Speaker 3: A couple of texts to wrap this up.

1197
00:56:59,013 --> 00:57:02,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what we got here. So many coming through.

1198
00:57:02,533 --> 00:57:05,453
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I'm all for the new ruck system.

1199
00:57:05,493 --> 00:57:07,933
Speaker 2: I averaged fifty to seventy komedies a week. My moas

1200
00:57:08,013 --> 00:57:11,413
Speaker 2: aren't too bad. Try big water blaster twenty leaders is

1201
00:57:11,453 --> 00:57:13,772
Speaker 2: not uncommon on a job five k's away. I'm keen

1202
00:57:13,933 --> 00:57:14,573
Speaker 2: yere's simon.

1203
00:57:14,653 --> 00:57:16,933
Speaker 3: Yeah nice. Yeah, a lot of people be happy with

1204
00:57:16,973 --> 00:57:18,333
Speaker 3: the old lawnmower. It's not going to be paying a

1205
00:57:18,333 --> 00:57:19,213
Speaker 3: few weeks sized text.

1206
00:57:19,253 --> 00:57:20,853
Speaker 2: Hi, guys. I think a lot of the charges to

1207
00:57:20,893 --> 00:57:23,453
Speaker 2: do with making it more complex to have a personal vehicle.

1208
00:57:23,453 --> 00:57:25,813
Speaker 2: There is a certain amount of administrative work involved in

1209
00:57:25,933 --> 00:57:28,573
Speaker 2: keeping track of and making sure that you have a

1210
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:30,733
Speaker 2: road user charge in place. I think this is just

1211
00:57:30,893 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 2: another method of trying to get people out of private

1212
00:57:33,413 --> 00:57:36,893
Speaker 2: cars and onto public transport. Unfortunately, public transport is completely

1213
00:57:37,013 --> 00:57:40,253
Speaker 2: rooted and it doesn't help. Know that he has said that,

1214
00:57:40,933 --> 00:57:44,893
Speaker 2: chrispas it was very very clear, very clear, and I'll

1215
00:57:44,933 --> 00:57:49,133
Speaker 2: quote him here. Oh quote he says, here we go.

1216
00:57:49,653 --> 00:57:51,573
Speaker 2: We're not going to shift millions of drivers from a

1217
00:57:51,613 --> 00:57:55,293
Speaker 2: simple system at the pump to queues at retailers. So

1218
00:57:55,413 --> 00:57:58,213
Speaker 2: the idea is that this is some kind of subscription model.

1219
00:57:58,733 --> 00:58:01,133
Speaker 2: Well as easy, he says, as easy as paying a

1220
00:58:01,213 --> 00:58:05,893
Speaker 2: Netflix subs Netflix subscription. Yeah, so it's they're not going

1221
00:58:05,893 --> 00:58:07,493
Speaker 2: to put a system in. It's going to be high

1222
00:58:07,573 --> 00:58:09,053
Speaker 2: administrative exactly.

1223
00:58:09,453 --> 00:58:11,893
Speaker 3: So thank you very much to all your calls and

1224
00:58:11,933 --> 00:58:14,133
Speaker 3: takes on that. There's a lot of weight and see, yeah,

1225
00:58:14,853 --> 00:58:15,373
Speaker 3: I think.

1226
00:58:15,573 --> 00:58:18,333
Speaker 2: That that ruck for all is the best option over

1227
00:58:18,493 --> 00:58:23,133
Speaker 2: the the fuel excise tax. But don't put a device

1228
00:58:23,173 --> 00:58:25,533
Speaker 2: in my car that tracks my speed where I am.

1229
00:58:25,773 --> 00:58:28,293
Speaker 2: That's just that's my prereck, you know. Don't use it

1230
00:58:28,333 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 2: for social engineering purposes like congestion charges. Don't make it

1231
00:58:33,133 --> 00:58:36,093
Speaker 2: capable ever in the in the future, even capable of

1232
00:58:36,133 --> 00:58:39,893
Speaker 2: pringing people for infringements. And don't share my personal movements

1233
00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:43,733
Speaker 2: with private companies or other government departments. And I'm so

1234
00:58:44,133 --> 00:58:47,133
Speaker 2: rucks were all fair anything more than that, and get

1235
00:58:47,133 --> 00:58:49,173
Speaker 2: your e ruc out of my car. Yep, no, that's

1236
00:58:49,213 --> 00:58:49,693
Speaker 2: fair enough.

1237
00:58:49,853 --> 00:58:51,333
Speaker 3: I for one would like to see where you go

1238
00:58:51,413 --> 00:58:53,293
Speaker 3: on a daily basis, though, I'd like to see that

1239
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 3: information become public. Yeah, just yours, nobody else's.

1240
00:58:57,053 --> 00:59:01,373
Speaker 2: Well, my partner tracks me on find my phone, so

1241
00:59:01,693 --> 00:59:04,053
Speaker 2: she knows where I go. Talk to Tracy here and

1242
00:59:04,133 --> 00:59:08,213
Speaker 2: back here and back.

1243
00:59:04,973 --> 00:59:08,333
Speaker 3: Here, and good discussion. Thank you very much. We've got

1244
00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:11,013
Speaker 3: headlines coming up with Windy. It is twenty nine to three.

1245
00:59:13,173 --> 00:59:16,333
Speaker 12: Hus talk said the headlines where blue bubble taxis is

1246
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:19,573
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Finance Minister says

1247
00:59:19,573 --> 00:59:23,453
Speaker 12: the economy's tracking better than expected. Nikola Willis's comments come

1248
00:59:23,493 --> 00:59:26,853
Speaker 12: as unemployment reaches a five year high of five point

1249
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:30,093
Speaker 12: two percent. The Trade Minister says New Zealand could have

1250
00:59:30,093 --> 00:59:33,693
Speaker 12: done nothing to avoid another US tariff hike. Todd maclay

1251
00:59:33,733 --> 00:59:37,253
Speaker 12: has now spoken with US Trade Representative Jamison Greer about

1252
00:59:37,253 --> 00:59:40,693
Speaker 12: the change imposed by Donald Trump. A twenty three year

1253
00:59:40,693 --> 00:59:43,413
Speaker 12: old man's being charged after a three month old girl

1254
00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 12: was hospitalized with multiple fractures in Upper Hut. In June,

1255
00:59:48,133 --> 00:59:51,973
Speaker 12: police and Taranaki had disappointed six licensed venues have failed

1256
00:59:52,053 --> 00:59:56,573
Speaker 12: alcohol compliance checks. Two under eighteen volunteers visited eight venues

1257
00:59:56,613 --> 00:59:59,773
Speaker 12: in July to trying to buy alcohol and only twice

1258
00:59:59,973 --> 01:00:04,013
Speaker 12: asked for ID and turned away. Despite some chilli starts

1259
01:00:04,053 --> 01:00:07,773
Speaker 12: last month, it was our fourth warmest July recorded. Earth

1260
01:00:07,853 --> 01:00:12,533
Speaker 12: Sciences Monthly Climate Summary shows nationwide average temperatures last month

1261
01:00:12,573 --> 01:00:16,693
Speaker 12: sat on nine point two degrees celsius. The Grand Observer

1262
01:00:16,773 --> 01:00:19,453
Speaker 12: says Torri Farno made the right decision not to seek

1263
01:00:19,493 --> 01:00:22,533
Speaker 12: reelection as mayor of Wellington. Read the full story at

1264
01:00:22,573 --> 01:00:25,493
Speaker 12: New Zealand Herald Premium. Now back to Matton Tyler.

1265
01:00:25,813 --> 01:00:29,293
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty six to three.

1266
01:00:29,813 --> 01:00:32,013
Speaker 2: Let's put e rucks behind us and move on to

1267
01:00:32,173 --> 01:00:37,093
Speaker 2: something equally important. Yeah, this is a big one. Dog leavings,

1268
01:00:38,773 --> 01:00:42,453
Speaker 2: dog leavings on walks, So I want to hear your

1269
01:00:42,453 --> 01:00:45,893
Speaker 2: thoughts on this. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty or nine

1270
01:00:45,933 --> 01:00:48,973
Speaker 2: two nine two, Okay. So this morning, took my dog

1271
01:00:49,013 --> 01:00:51,533
Speaker 2: Colin for a walk with my lovely partner Tracy. Happy

1272
01:00:51,533 --> 01:00:55,213
Speaker 2: birthday to Tracy Diddy birthday. Took him for a walk

1273
01:00:55,933 --> 01:01:02,173
Speaker 2: and through an administrative era, we only took two bags foolish,

1274
01:01:02,373 --> 01:01:07,453
Speaker 2: two poop bags yep, and Colin did three poops and

1275
01:01:07,613 --> 01:01:09,933
Speaker 2: the third one, as the dogs want to do, was

1276
01:01:10,573 --> 01:01:12,733
Speaker 2: he ran off and by the time we saw him,

1277
01:01:12,733 --> 01:01:14,853
Speaker 2: because we didn't have him on the leash, by the

1278
01:01:14,893 --> 01:01:17,413
Speaker 2: time he saw him, he was in that special arched

1279
01:01:17,453 --> 01:01:20,573
Speaker 2: back position laying his dog egg in the middle of

1280
01:01:20,853 --> 01:01:23,293
Speaker 2: a person's front lawn. There's no stopping up by me.

1281
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:25,373
Speaker 2: There wasn't a fence. It was a person with a

1282
01:01:25,453 --> 01:01:27,253
Speaker 2: lawn without a fence in front. So you know, he

1283
01:01:27,253 --> 01:01:29,053
Speaker 2: didn't know who he was on a berm. He wasn't

1284
01:01:29,253 --> 01:01:32,413
Speaker 2: committing some kind of intentionally committing some crime and invading

1285
01:01:32,413 --> 01:01:34,973
Speaker 2: someone's property. He didn't know he was trespassing. He's a

1286
01:01:34,973 --> 01:01:39,053
Speaker 2: good boy. Yeah, he's generally a good boy. But so

1287
01:01:39,093 --> 01:01:42,933
Speaker 2: we've got the third leaving and we're out of bags.

1288
01:01:43,413 --> 01:01:46,093
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I can't leave this here because it's

1289
01:01:46,133 --> 01:01:49,373
Speaker 2: on someone's lawn. So I look around and I find

1290
01:01:49,413 --> 01:01:52,373
Speaker 2: an envelope or an envelope, not in someone's let you say,

1291
01:01:52,413 --> 01:01:56,373
Speaker 2: envelope or envelope, envelope, envelope. Yeah, so it's an envelope.

1292
01:01:56,453 --> 01:01:58,733
Speaker 2: And that's about fifty meters down the road. And I

1293
01:01:58,773 --> 01:02:01,053
Speaker 2: go back and I pick up the leaving off the lawn.

1294
01:02:01,453 --> 01:02:04,013
Speaker 2: So I guess now I'm trespassing, but I think the

1295
01:02:04,053 --> 01:02:06,093
Speaker 2: owner of the property would prefer that I trespassed to

1296
01:02:06,533 --> 01:02:09,293
Speaker 2: remove the leaving then leave it there. Very true. And

1297
01:02:09,373 --> 01:02:13,013
Speaker 2: so then I'm walking down the road with this dog

1298
01:02:13,373 --> 01:02:21,253
Speaker 2: leaving in a white envelope, absolutely disgusting. And we are

1299
01:02:21,293 --> 01:02:24,053
Speaker 2: walking further down the road and we come across a

1300
01:02:24,093 --> 01:02:26,053
Speaker 2: wheelbin and I'm like, good now, I can you know

1301
01:02:26,053 --> 01:02:28,533
Speaker 2: because I'm walking out of the roga. What's happened to humanity?

1302
01:02:29,053 --> 01:02:31,133
Speaker 2: What's happened to us as a species? I'm carrying around

1303
01:02:31,173 --> 01:02:34,453
Speaker 2: this dog turd and an envelope with my little fingers

1304
01:02:34,613 --> 01:02:38,613
Speaker 2: yep down the road. It's shameful, absolutely shameful. Colin doesn't care.

1305
01:02:38,653 --> 01:02:42,493
Speaker 2: He's off Weingo, He's like, leave it behind. As far

1306
01:02:42,533 --> 01:02:45,133
Speaker 2: as Colin's concerned, he's probably looking back going, don't I

1307
01:02:45,173 --> 01:02:45,653
Speaker 2: got rid of that.

1308
01:02:46,293 --> 01:02:46,933
Speaker 6: I got rid of that.

1309
01:02:46,973 --> 01:02:49,653
Speaker 2: Don't bring it with don't bring it with us? What

1310
01:02:49,693 --> 01:02:50,253
Speaker 2: are you doing?

1311
01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:50,533
Speaker 9: Man?

1312
01:02:51,533 --> 01:02:53,613
Speaker 2: I got rid of that on purpose anyway. So we

1313
01:02:53,653 --> 01:02:56,453
Speaker 2: come across a wheeli bin and I go to put

1314
01:02:56,453 --> 01:02:58,173
Speaker 2: it in the wheelbin and Tracy goes, you can't put

1315
01:02:58,173 --> 01:03:01,653
Speaker 2: it in there, and I say why, and she goes, well,

1316
01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:04,693
Speaker 2: maybe if the trucks hadn't been just around, But you

1317
01:03:04,733 --> 01:03:07,373
Speaker 2: can't put it in a fresh, empty wheelibin, it can't

1318
01:03:07,413 --> 01:03:10,053
Speaker 2: be the first thing at the bottom of a wheelibin

1319
01:03:10,093 --> 01:03:12,573
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. So I didn't know that wrong. There's

1320
01:03:12,573 --> 01:03:15,613
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour window. Yeah, so potentially it's better

1321
01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:18,733
Speaker 2: if the wheelibin's out and it's about to be taken away.

1322
01:03:19,733 --> 01:03:21,813
Speaker 2: But yeah, if someone goes to bring their wheelbin in

1323
01:03:21,893 --> 01:03:24,493
Speaker 2: after the remembers had been removed and they over look

1324
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:26,773
Speaker 2: it down and there's this envelope with this crime sitting

1325
01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:28,693
Speaker 2: in it, then that's going to ruin their day. So

1326
01:03:28,733 --> 01:03:30,693
Speaker 2: I kind of get that, yep. So I go, okay, okay,

1327
01:03:30,773 --> 01:03:33,813
Speaker 2: well I'll walk another half calimeter with us thing and

1328
01:03:33,853 --> 01:03:36,253
Speaker 2: then I and then I get to a rubbish one.

1329
01:03:36,253 --> 01:03:37,613
Speaker 2: I sit in the distance and I go to put

1330
01:03:37,613 --> 01:03:40,293
Speaker 2: in the rubbish bin, and then Tracy says, no, you

1331
01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,573
Speaker 2: can't put it in there because that's in front of

1332
01:03:42,613 --> 01:03:45,853
Speaker 2: a dairy and you can't be dropping this disgusting mess

1333
01:03:45,853 --> 01:03:47,693
Speaker 2: in a place where people go and buy food and

1334
01:03:47,733 --> 01:03:49,573
Speaker 2: these people are trying to run a business. That's where

1335
01:03:49,613 --> 01:03:52,293
Speaker 2: I disagree, right, And so then I carry that down,

1336
01:03:52,413 --> 01:03:54,293
Speaker 2: still tottering down the road with the DISTI so you

1337
01:03:54,293 --> 01:03:57,933
Speaker 2: didn't put it in that one, nor little envelope. I

1338
01:03:57,933 --> 01:03:59,653
Speaker 2: got shamed. And maybe it was because her birth It

1339
01:03:59,693 --> 01:04:02,493
Speaker 2: was her birthday today, so I'm letting her, you know,

1340
01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:05,453
Speaker 2: run the whole operation. Okay there, So finally find a

1341
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:06,893
Speaker 2: rubbish binn on the side of the road that's not

1342
01:04:06,893 --> 01:04:08,813
Speaker 2: surrounded by everything. I put it in there and got

1343
01:04:08,813 --> 01:04:11,613
Speaker 2: the seal of approval of Tracy. So it got me thinking,

1344
01:04:11,773 --> 01:04:16,413
Speaker 2: what are the rules? What other rules around dog leavings?

1345
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:20,173
Speaker 2: Not the laws, not what the government says. What as

1346
01:04:20,373 --> 01:04:22,693
Speaker 2: a people, as a society, do we think is the

1347
01:04:22,813 --> 01:04:26,573
Speaker 2: basics for dealing with leavings on dogwalks? Because you just

1348
01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:29,613
Speaker 2: looked it up in the Auckland City Council rules and

1349
01:04:30,293 --> 01:04:32,213
Speaker 2: what does it say, precisely please tailor.

1350
01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:35,533
Speaker 3: So this is under the Dog Management policy. So here

1351
01:04:35,573 --> 01:04:38,013
Speaker 3: it is in its entirety dog feces when in a

1352
01:04:38,013 --> 01:04:41,093
Speaker 3: public place or premise. Dog owners must ensure the immediate

1353
01:04:41,133 --> 01:04:44,293
Speaker 3: removal and disposal of their dog's feces. This must be

1354
01:04:44,333 --> 01:04:46,733
Speaker 3: done in a way that that does not cause a nuisance.

1355
01:04:46,933 --> 01:04:48,453
Speaker 3: You might have fallen foul of that one.

1356
01:04:48,573 --> 01:04:51,253
Speaker 2: We're just walking down the street holding a little envelope. Yeah,

1357
01:04:51,253 --> 01:04:54,253
Speaker 2: definitely that's a mess on you since open envelope. It

1358
01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:56,373
Speaker 2: even had one of those bill windows in it, so

1359
01:04:56,453 --> 01:04:58,173
Speaker 2: even if people couldn't see the little bit sticking out,

1360
01:04:58,173 --> 01:04:59,893
Speaker 2: they could look through the little window and see the

1361
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:01,653
Speaker 2: disgusting colin leaving us caring.

1362
01:05:01,733 --> 01:05:04,733
Speaker 3: Yep, so the subclause does not apply to a premise

1363
01:05:04,773 --> 01:05:08,053
Speaker 3: occupied by the owner's Subclause number two does not apply

1364
01:05:08,093 --> 01:05:11,413
Speaker 3: to any working dog accompanying and assisting a person, or

1365
01:05:11,413 --> 01:05:13,693
Speaker 3: accompanying a person engaged in dog training.

1366
01:05:13,693 --> 01:05:16,013
Speaker 2: So working dog way, you're not going to pang a

1367
01:05:16,013 --> 01:05:19,173
Speaker 2: blind person because the guide dog is laid a dog's

1368
01:05:19,213 --> 01:05:21,733
Speaker 2: egg on the paper name, someone's got to pack it up. Well,

1369
01:05:21,773 --> 01:05:23,693
Speaker 2: you got what You've got to find a blind person.

1370
01:05:23,693 --> 01:05:26,493
Speaker 2: They wouldn't have even seen it. Well, they could smell it.

1371
01:05:28,173 --> 01:05:29,133
Speaker 2: You're a heartless man.

1372
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:32,053
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighties, you've heard the story.

1373
01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:33,613
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of caveats here, but this

1374
01:05:33,693 --> 01:05:34,453
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting.

1375
01:05:34,573 --> 01:05:36,653
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a three hundred dollar fine, but it

1376
01:05:36,653 --> 01:05:39,053
Speaker 2: doesn't say specifically, what if it's under a hedge? Yeah,

1377
01:05:39,053 --> 01:05:41,613
Speaker 2: it doesn't specify what if it's under a tree? You know,

1378
01:05:42,293 --> 01:05:44,013
Speaker 2: what if it's out of the way, What if it

1379
01:05:44,053 --> 01:05:45,853
Speaker 2: was in the gutter? Yeah, you know, and the long

1380
01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:47,813
Speaker 2: grass that no kids are going to run into, and

1381
01:05:48,133 --> 01:05:50,213
Speaker 2: we're you allowed to put them? Are the rules around

1382
01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:52,093
Speaker 2: the wheelie bins? Is it okay, in front of a

1383
01:05:52,133 --> 01:05:54,293
Speaker 2: dairy ll Let's get to the bottom. Let's get together

1384
01:05:54,413 --> 01:05:58,013
Speaker 2: the final rules for dog leavings on a dog walk.

1385
01:05:58,133 --> 01:06:01,613
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1386
01:06:01,773 --> 01:06:04,213
Speaker 3: what are the official rules for picking up dog feces?

1387
01:06:04,253 --> 01:06:06,293
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you. It is twenty to three.

1388
01:06:07,253 --> 01:06:10,573
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

1389
01:06:10,613 --> 01:06:11,973
Speaker 1: and everything in between.

1390
01:06:12,173 --> 01:06:15,093
Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

1391
01:06:15,093 --> 01:06:17,533
Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon. So we're talking about the

1392
01:06:17,613 --> 01:06:20,653
Speaker 3: unretferened rules of dog leavings. Matt had a bit of

1393
01:06:20,693 --> 01:06:24,293
Speaker 3: a confusing situation this morning on one hundred and eighty

1394
01:06:24,293 --> 01:06:24,733
Speaker 3: ten eighties.

1395
01:06:24,813 --> 01:06:27,973
Speaker 2: Number to call the sex is multiple issues with your story, mate, One,

1396
01:06:28,053 --> 01:06:30,333
Speaker 2: Why the heck are you calling it dog leavings. That's

1397
01:06:30,373 --> 01:06:32,773
Speaker 2: a good point, it's polite. Well, we did this story

1398
01:06:32,813 --> 01:06:37,933
Speaker 2: about five months ago on horse turds, and it was

1399
01:06:37,933 --> 01:06:40,733
Speaker 2: the official A bunch of people texted in and said,

1400
01:06:40,733 --> 01:06:42,933
Speaker 2: can you please call them leavings because people were finding

1401
01:06:42,933 --> 01:06:45,053
Speaker 2: the word turds offensive. Yeah, and I don't want to

1402
01:06:45,053 --> 01:06:48,333
Speaker 2: say poohs, So yeah, let's stick with leavings. I sound

1403
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:49,813
Speaker 2: like when I say poos, I sound like a little

1404
01:06:49,813 --> 01:06:53,533
Speaker 2: baby dog poose. So I went, I went for leavings. Yeah,

1405
01:06:53,533 --> 01:06:55,813
Speaker 2: but that doesn't work for some people, so you know,

1406
01:06:55,853 --> 01:06:57,773
Speaker 2: i'd he'd like to hear your thoughts on nine two

1407
01:06:57,773 --> 01:07:01,253
Speaker 2: and nine two on that joined the dog turds, feces,

1408
01:07:01,573 --> 01:07:04,733
Speaker 2: leavings pooh poose. So why are you having your dog

1409
01:07:04,773 --> 01:07:07,333
Speaker 2: off a leash on the street. Let's normalized leashes and

1410
01:07:07,373 --> 01:07:10,133
Speaker 2: open areas now calling off off the leash. He's pretty

1411
01:07:10,133 --> 01:07:12,653
Speaker 2: good and uncor good. Yeah, no, he's a good boy.

1412
01:07:12,773 --> 01:07:14,373
Speaker 2: He doesn't cause any problems off a leash, and it's

1413
01:07:14,413 --> 01:07:17,893
Speaker 2: not like he's a I mean he's tiny. Take more bags,

1414
01:07:17,933 --> 01:07:19,813
Speaker 2: take a roll of bags and take used one's homes

1415
01:07:19,813 --> 01:07:21,693
Speaker 2: to put in your bin. Yes, I own a dog,

1416
01:07:21,853 --> 01:07:23,973
Speaker 2: and i'd always follow this. Yeah, I mean I always

1417
01:07:23,973 --> 01:07:26,253
Speaker 2: take more bags, but I keep the little bags from

1418
01:07:26,253 --> 01:07:28,893
Speaker 2: the little doggie shaped bag holder and I just hadn't

1419
01:07:28,933 --> 01:07:31,173
Speaker 2: noticed that we'd pulled them all out. But I'm normally

1420
01:07:31,293 --> 01:07:32,853
Speaker 2: very good at that. But you shouldn't be safe with

1421
01:07:32,933 --> 01:07:35,733
Speaker 2: two Thank you for your text, Rose, Welcome to the show.

1422
01:07:37,173 --> 01:07:41,053
Speaker 15: I'm going to be a little bit strict on you logs,

1423
01:07:41,533 --> 01:07:45,573
Speaker 15: and whenever I go anywhere, particularly where there's other people's properties,

1424
01:07:45,653 --> 01:07:48,493
Speaker 15: are always on a lead because you don't know what

1425
01:07:48,613 --> 01:07:50,813
Speaker 15: are the dogs who kind of come out from properties

1426
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:54,053
Speaker 15: and scare them, and they could run off in any direction,

1427
01:07:54,213 --> 01:07:56,893
Speaker 15: or there could be an altercation. And if you're not

1428
01:07:57,013 --> 01:08:00,173
Speaker 15: responsible enough to have enough pooh bags to cover the

1429
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:03,493
Speaker 15: distance you're walking distance, well then you just have to

1430
01:08:03,533 --> 01:08:05,253
Speaker 15: suck it up and hold on to the poo and

1431
01:08:05,333 --> 01:08:06,973
Speaker 15: the envelope until you get hardest.

1432
01:08:07,453 --> 01:08:08,453
Speaker 2: You tell them, rose On.

1433
01:08:09,533 --> 01:08:13,693
Speaker 15: Everybody will have different degrees of the rules. And the

1434
01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:16,412
Speaker 15: rule is you pick up the pooh and you dispose

1435
01:08:16,452 --> 01:08:19,053
Speaker 15: of it when you get home or wherever. And then

1436
01:08:19,173 --> 01:08:21,412
Speaker 15: otherwise someone else will come along and they'll have a

1437
01:08:21,412 --> 01:08:24,772
Speaker 15: little excuse or a big excuse. And really we need

1438
01:08:24,853 --> 01:08:28,213
Speaker 15: to keep we need to be able to still walk

1439
01:08:28,253 --> 01:08:31,492
Speaker 15: our dogs around the neighborhood. And so we have to

1440
01:08:31,532 --> 01:08:34,732
Speaker 15: respect the neighbors and their dogs. A lot of their

1441
01:08:34,772 --> 01:08:37,293
Speaker 15: dogs may not even be on leashes, but they might

1442
01:08:37,333 --> 01:08:39,372
Speaker 15: be in their property and they could rush out and

1443
01:08:39,412 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 15: scare your dog.

1444
01:08:40,452 --> 01:08:43,972
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll put a pin in that issue. Rose

1445
01:08:44,013 --> 01:08:47,972
Speaker 2: So you think that you should always take your bags, obviously,

1446
01:08:48,053 --> 01:08:50,012
Speaker 2: you know I always intend to take a full amount

1447
01:08:50,013 --> 01:08:52,253
Speaker 2: of bags. It was just an oversight. But if I

1448
01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:54,093
Speaker 2: end up carrying in an envelope, I should take that

1449
01:08:54,133 --> 01:08:55,652
Speaker 2: all the way home, So I should not put it

1450
01:08:55,692 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 2: in a wheely bin of someone else's. I shouldn't put

1451
01:08:57,893 --> 01:09:00,253
Speaker 2: it in a public rubbishman, I should I should carry

1452
01:09:00,293 --> 01:09:01,532
Speaker 2: that all the way home to my own.

1453
01:09:02,173 --> 01:09:04,213
Speaker 15: Some of the rubbisans you don't know when they're going

1454
01:09:04,253 --> 01:09:09,412
Speaker 15: to be cleaned or clear stinky rubbisins to clean up.

1455
01:09:09,853 --> 01:09:12,692
Speaker 15: You know, you've got the responsibility of having a dog

1456
01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:15,492
Speaker 15: and making sure that you've got enough. Two bags and

1457
01:09:15,532 --> 01:09:17,652
Speaker 15: there's a whole role that you can carry in you're

1458
01:09:17,652 --> 01:09:20,492
Speaker 15: little we hand, and a lot of the leads which

1459
01:09:20,492 --> 01:09:22,852
Speaker 15: you should have had a lead anyway, even if it's

1460
01:09:22,893 --> 01:09:23,572
Speaker 15: in your pocket.

1461
01:09:24,093 --> 01:09:26,412
Speaker 2: No, no, Rose, I had a lead, and I had

1462
01:09:26,412 --> 01:09:28,492
Speaker 2: a lead, and it had it's got a little bone

1463
01:09:28,492 --> 01:09:32,932
Speaker 2: shaped container that's normally full of these Pooh bags. Just

1464
01:09:32,933 --> 01:09:35,333
Speaker 2: just an oversight on this one occasion. We hadn't noticed

1465
01:09:35,372 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 2: that we pulled them all out on the last work,

1466
01:09:37,372 --> 01:09:38,812
Speaker 2: so we had two and we needed three.

1467
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:41,852
Speaker 15: You'll make sure that there isn't look.

1468
01:09:41,772 --> 01:09:44,093
Speaker 2: Rose, I can guarantee you we've already we've already put

1469
01:09:44,133 --> 01:09:47,253
Speaker 2: a new roller in there. There's a new Rose.

1470
01:09:47,732 --> 01:09:51,252
Speaker 15: After carryility is a carriers home.

1471
01:09:52,652 --> 01:09:53,173
Speaker 14: In the wrong.

1472
01:09:53,293 --> 01:09:56,333
Speaker 15: Otherwise everyone will have a degree of.

1473
01:09:56,253 --> 01:10:01,572
Speaker 3: An excuse excuses from Rose. Can I just ask, because

1474
01:10:01,572 --> 01:10:03,973
Speaker 3: there's a bit of information missing from the story, what

1475
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:05,533
Speaker 3: happened to the other two poos?

1476
01:10:05,933 --> 01:10:07,492
Speaker 2: So you know we had them up? No, we had

1477
01:10:07,492 --> 01:10:08,532
Speaker 2: two bags here, right?

1478
01:10:08,612 --> 01:10:10,652
Speaker 3: So you were carrying the two bags that were already

1479
01:10:10,692 --> 01:10:11,053
Speaker 3: tied up.

1480
01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:13,213
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. So where did they get disposed?

1481
01:10:13,253 --> 01:10:16,652
Speaker 2: I put them in public rubagehmins? So why was that

1482
01:10:16,692 --> 01:10:18,052
Speaker 2: public rubbishpin? Okay?

1483
01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:20,093
Speaker 3: But the one outside, Oh, because it was outside the

1484
01:10:20,173 --> 01:10:21,572
Speaker 3: dairy and there was the food equation.

1485
01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:26,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also they the it looks like everyone's fine

1486
01:10:26,612 --> 01:10:28,652
Speaker 2: with poo bag. I feel silly for calling them leavings.

1487
01:10:28,652 --> 01:10:31,612
Speaker 2: But anyway, the pooh bag was tied up, yeah, right, Okay,

1488
01:10:31,652 --> 01:10:33,012
Speaker 2: so you've tied a lot of not in it. Yeah,

1489
01:10:33,133 --> 01:10:37,892
Speaker 2: So it's not unlike the smeared all through the inside

1490
01:10:37,933 --> 01:10:39,012
Speaker 2: of an invalope situation.

1491
01:10:39,612 --> 01:10:41,293
Speaker 3: We've got plenty of calls coming through. If you can't

1492
01:10:41,333 --> 01:10:43,492
Speaker 3: get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1493
01:10:43,572 --> 01:10:45,452
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. There's been a few

1494
01:10:45,452 --> 01:10:48,452
Speaker 3: suggestions on what we call could call them actually doggy dumplings.

1495
01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:52,532
Speaker 3: Oh yep, that's not bad. A dog deposit, Oh yep.

1496
01:10:52,572 --> 01:10:54,972
Speaker 2: Do you like that one? Doggie doo doo? Yeah, doggie

1497
01:10:54,973 --> 01:11:01,892
Speaker 2: do Yeah, dog deposit quite like dog dirt. Caddy, Welcome

1498
01:11:01,893 --> 01:11:02,293
Speaker 2: to the show.

1499
01:11:03,013 --> 01:11:04,333
Speaker 24: Hello, how are you guys?

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01:11:04,652 --> 01:11:07,093
Speaker 2: Very good? Thanks for calling your thoughts on this key

1501
01:11:07,133 --> 01:11:08,812
Speaker 2: issue for Kiwi's Yeah.

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01:11:08,893 --> 01:11:12,213
Speaker 24: Yeah, well I think Rose pretty much said it all.

1503
01:11:12,253 --> 01:11:15,812
Speaker 24: But I have a I have a little pouch. It's

1504
01:11:15,853 --> 01:11:19,173
Speaker 24: called from a company called Arctic Semi And when I

1505
01:11:19,213 --> 01:11:22,173
Speaker 24: take my little mister lay out for a book.

1506
01:11:22,053 --> 01:11:25,133
Speaker 2: It comes Are you a trailer pip Boys fan? Yeah,

1507
01:11:26,572 --> 01:11:33,053
Speaker 2: it's not a big drinker. No, that might be the

1508
01:11:33,053 --> 01:11:34,532
Speaker 2: best name I've ever heard for a dog.

1509
01:11:35,293 --> 01:11:37,173
Speaker 24: We were going to get We're going to get to

1510
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,532
Speaker 24: and called and Corey and Trevor, but the budget was

1511
01:11:39,692 --> 01:11:40,333
Speaker 24: quite stretched.

1512
01:11:40,372 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 2: So mister lay I love that.

1513
01:11:43,612 --> 01:11:47,412
Speaker 24: Yeah, so Arctic. They're a little treat bag. It comes

1514
01:11:47,452 --> 01:11:51,293
Speaker 24: with a whether. It's a little like a thing you

1515
01:11:51,333 --> 01:11:53,972
Speaker 24: put round your waist and it's got a zippy bit

1516
01:11:54,013 --> 01:11:56,973
Speaker 24: in the front for your poop bags. And then you

1517
01:11:56,973 --> 01:12:00,053
Speaker 24: can also get the add on poop loop, which I

1518
01:12:00,093 --> 01:12:03,772
Speaker 24: put around that around the around the waistband. The poop loop.

1519
01:12:04,133 --> 01:12:07,053
Speaker 24: It's just a little bit of rubber in it and

1520
01:12:07,133 --> 01:12:10,732
Speaker 24: it holds the poop bags. And so you've got hands free.

1521
01:12:10,853 --> 01:12:14,852
Speaker 24: You've got hands three poopbags, right, so you can enjoy

1522
01:12:14,893 --> 01:12:17,812
Speaker 24: your walk while Yeah, well your poop's just like attached

1523
01:12:17,853 --> 01:12:18,333
Speaker 24: to your waist.

1524
01:12:18,372 --> 01:12:19,012
Speaker 2: Game changer.

1525
01:12:19,133 --> 01:12:19,372
Speaker 7: Great?

1526
01:12:19,532 --> 01:12:22,732
Speaker 2: Is it a positive having poop attached to your waist?

1527
01:12:25,812 --> 01:12:27,412
Speaker 24: And one time when I've got my coach on, it

1528
01:12:27,452 --> 01:12:31,413
Speaker 24: can get a bit smelly was up up the inside.

1529
01:12:31,492 --> 01:12:35,253
Speaker 24: But well you from there it's great.

1530
01:12:35,412 --> 01:12:38,212
Speaker 2: Okay, So so you're you're like Rose. You say that

1531
01:12:38,253 --> 01:12:39,852
Speaker 2: you go out, you not only pick them up, but

1532
01:12:39,893 --> 01:12:41,852
Speaker 2: you take them home and you deposit them in your

1533
01:12:41,893 --> 01:12:44,733
Speaker 2: own in your own facilities.

1534
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:48,293
Speaker 24: Yeah, well there's a pack where I walk mister Leahy

1535
01:12:48,452 --> 01:12:51,492
Speaker 24: and I usually poppa poppa and there if he's done

1536
01:12:51,532 --> 01:12:54,452
Speaker 24: his business by the time we leave, so apart from there, yeah,

1537
01:12:54,612 --> 01:12:58,572
Speaker 24: take it home and your dog your responsibility.

1538
01:12:58,973 --> 01:13:00,892
Speaker 2: Has he got a has he got a shirtless mister?

1539
01:13:01,253 --> 01:13:03,772
Speaker 2: Has he got a shirtless? Randy the hangs out.

1540
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:08,692
Speaker 24: With no, no, no, he's got he's got the mad bessets.

1541
01:13:09,333 --> 01:13:11,293
Speaker 2: You're brilliant. Well, thank you so much for your call.

1542
01:13:11,372 --> 01:13:13,732
Speaker 2: Appreciate that, so wrap it around your waist with a

1543
01:13:13,732 --> 01:13:18,732
Speaker 2: special poop loop. Yeah, O eight hundred and eighty ten

1544
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:19,692
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to.

1545
01:13:19,772 --> 01:13:20,532
Speaker 23: Call, Matt.

1546
01:13:20,572 --> 01:13:22,732
Speaker 2: Do not ever put dog poo in the wheely bin

1547
01:13:22,812 --> 01:13:25,692
Speaker 2: of a private dwelling. That is disgusting. The property owners

1548
01:13:25,692 --> 01:13:27,892
Speaker 2: have to store that bin on their private property and

1549
01:13:28,053 --> 01:13:30,293
Speaker 2: chances are they do not have a dog. Putting in

1550
01:13:30,372 --> 01:13:33,092
Speaker 2: a public bin is okay because they aligned and emptied

1551
01:13:33,093 --> 01:13:35,093
Speaker 2: off and nailed it. Thank you, Paula. Yeah, well done.

1552
01:13:35,093 --> 01:13:37,213
Speaker 2: But what if it's all wrapped up in the poop

1553
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:41,012
Speaker 2: bag only I and yeah, yeah it's out.

1554
01:13:41,133 --> 01:13:41,333
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1555
01:13:41,372 --> 01:13:43,213
Speaker 2: I agree with Tracy on you don't. Can't drop a

1556
01:13:43,572 --> 01:13:45,852
Speaker 2: poopy envelope and then someone's bin when they're about to

1557
01:13:45,853 --> 01:13:47,972
Speaker 2: wheel it back in. Yeah, but I'm talking about it's

1558
01:13:48,013 --> 01:13:49,812
Speaker 2: out to be picked up. So the next person that's

1559
01:13:49,812 --> 01:13:52,652
Speaker 2: going to deal with it is the refuse transit transfer station.

1560
01:13:52,772 --> 01:13:52,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1561
01:13:53,093 --> 01:13:55,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent behind there, because it's not

1562
01:13:55,692 --> 01:13:57,492
Speaker 3: you're not making it a problem of the owner, it's

1563
01:13:57,492 --> 01:13:58,293
Speaker 3: a problem with the council.

1564
01:13:58,412 --> 01:14:02,573
Speaker 2: I think we all agree that dropping a leaving a

1565
01:14:02,612 --> 01:14:06,572
Speaker 2: dog dumpling straight into a WHEELI bin before the person

1566
01:14:06,612 --> 01:14:08,852
Speaker 2: wheels it back into their house or my case, an

1567
01:14:08,893 --> 01:14:12,973
Speaker 2: envelope smeared and doggie dirt is not a good thing

1568
01:14:13,013 --> 01:14:14,052
Speaker 2: to do. Nothing, Yeah, not on.

1569
01:14:14,093 --> 01:14:17,093
Speaker 3: All right, right, we got bloody your calls to get

1570
01:14:17,093 --> 01:14:18,532
Speaker 3: to but oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and

1571
01:14:18,572 --> 01:14:20,132
Speaker 3: number to call nine two three.

1572
01:14:21,053 --> 01:14:23,492
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1573
01:14:23,532 --> 01:14:27,012
Speaker 1: along the way Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News

1574
01:14:27,093 --> 01:14:33,013
Speaker 1: Talk Zby's.

1575
01:14:30,293 --> 01:14:32,812
Speaker 2: Seven to three. There's some great texts coming through, that's right.

1576
01:14:32,853 --> 01:14:35,972
Speaker 2: We're trying to get together the definitive list of rules

1577
01:14:36,173 --> 01:14:41,253
Speaker 2: around dog poop and bags? Does anyone use a pooper? Scooper? Still,

1578
01:14:41,293 --> 01:14:43,293
Speaker 2: there was to be a thing that's that's that seems

1579
01:14:43,333 --> 01:14:44,492
Speaker 2: like a disgusting way to deal with it.

1580
01:14:44,372 --> 01:14:45,933
Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to carry around as well. Do

1581
01:14:45,973 --> 01:14:47,012
Speaker 3: you put that on your poop loop?

1582
01:14:47,213 --> 01:14:50,652
Speaker 2: Yes, hang it off your waist like a like a taser.

1583
01:14:51,692 --> 01:14:54,333
Speaker 2: Walking at Middlewi. Someone had been kind enough to pick

1584
01:14:54,412 --> 01:14:56,612
Speaker 2: up the dog poop and put it in a plastic

1585
01:14:56,612 --> 01:14:58,652
Speaker 2: bag then throw it into the bush. Oh my god,

1586
01:14:59,293 --> 01:15:01,812
Speaker 2: regards Baden. Yeah, I see that a bit, and someone

1587
01:15:01,853 --> 01:15:04,053
Speaker 2: else is here, Hey, good yarn. What gets me is

1588
01:15:04,093 --> 01:15:07,173
Speaker 2: walking along Central Otago rail trail and you see poop

1589
01:15:07,213 --> 01:15:09,012
Speaker 2: bags left on the side of the tra don't put

1590
01:15:09,013 --> 01:15:11,293
Speaker 2: it in the bag, leave it in the compost naturally.

1591
01:15:11,452 --> 01:15:11,772
Speaker 19: Cheers.

1592
01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:15,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you're going to behind that. I

1593
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:17,532
Speaker 2: see that a lot. Yeah. Just people that are dumping

1594
01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:19,892
Speaker 2: the bags on the side of the It's like, what

1595
01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:20,412
Speaker 2: are you doing?

1596
01:15:20,692 --> 01:15:22,213
Speaker 3: So they start off doing a good thing, and then

1597
01:15:22,213 --> 01:15:23,933
Speaker 3: they hit the bag into the book. You make it

1598
01:15:23,933 --> 01:15:24,372
Speaker 3: even worse.

1599
01:15:24,412 --> 01:15:26,732
Speaker 2: You're a very strange person if you do that. Steven,

1600
01:15:26,973 --> 01:15:30,132
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on the unwritten rules

1601
01:15:30,133 --> 01:15:31,693
Speaker 2: of dog leavings.

1602
01:15:33,173 --> 01:15:36,133
Speaker 25: Yeah, killed a Fellow's a great topic. And yeah, as

1603
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:39,173
Speaker 25: a dog owner two dogs, yeah, it's a look an

1604
01:15:39,253 --> 01:15:42,093
Speaker 25: unspoken rules. And as you walk outside the mailbox the

1605
01:15:42,133 --> 01:15:44,973
Speaker 25: dog does number twos. Yeah, just it's your duty to

1606
01:15:45,053 --> 01:15:50,812
Speaker 25: pick it up dumping it. Yeah, I think you know.

1607
01:15:50,853 --> 01:15:53,253
Speaker 25: The the rubber sprind is okay if it's going to

1608
01:15:53,293 --> 01:15:56,612
Speaker 25: get collected, not okay if it's just been collected, you know,

1609
01:15:56,812 --> 01:16:01,053
Speaker 25: if it's empty. But I put it in a public bin,

1610
01:16:01,133 --> 01:16:03,372
Speaker 25: but not one outside if it's not outside of shop

1611
01:16:03,452 --> 01:16:04,572
Speaker 25: or or school or something.

1612
01:16:04,612 --> 01:16:05,492
Speaker 22: But if it's out of park.

1613
01:16:05,612 --> 01:16:09,492
Speaker 2: So yeah, So that's that's that's a new that's a

1614
01:16:09,532 --> 01:16:11,852
Speaker 2: new rule that Tracy told me today, Steven, So I

1615
01:16:11,853 --> 01:16:13,772
Speaker 2: didn't know that rule, but I can see the sense

1616
01:16:13,812 --> 01:16:15,732
Speaker 2: in that. Dropping it at a bin outside of deer is

1617
01:16:15,772 --> 01:16:17,732
Speaker 2: not cool. It's just going to stink there all day

1618
01:16:17,772 --> 01:16:19,852
Speaker 2: and make it horrible for people eating. Kids might come

1619
01:16:19,893 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 2: out trying in ice cream. Sitting on the outside the

1620
01:16:22,572 --> 01:16:24,852
Speaker 2: dairy in stinks. That's not right, is it?

1621
01:16:26,173 --> 01:16:26,492
Speaker 1: No?

1622
01:16:26,492 --> 01:16:29,213
Speaker 25: No, no, but yeah, but yeah, but at a public ben, yep,

1623
01:16:29,253 --> 01:16:31,772
Speaker 25: that's okay. I mean you're paying off rates anyway, so

1624
01:16:31,853 --> 01:16:34,292
Speaker 25: you mustle maximize the the services.

1625
01:16:34,293 --> 01:16:36,772
Speaker 2: That's exactly.

1626
01:16:36,933 --> 01:16:38,852
Speaker 3: But with the with the ben outside of the dairy,

1627
01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:41,532
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't My rule always is if it's chocate

1628
01:16:41,572 --> 01:16:43,333
Speaker 3: block and I've got to put the weed dog poo

1629
01:16:43,452 --> 01:16:45,173
Speaker 3: ride on the top, then that's a no no, that's

1630
01:16:45,213 --> 01:16:48,213
Speaker 3: bad behavior. But if it's half empty, I'll chuck it

1631
01:16:48,253 --> 01:16:50,133
Speaker 3: in because then there'll be some more rubbish that goes

1632
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:52,972
Speaker 3: over top blocks the disgusting mess, and everybody's happy.

1633
01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:54,692
Speaker 2: Then it's the council's problem.

1634
01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:57,652
Speaker 25: Well, I guess if it's not in the in the envelope,

1635
01:16:57,692 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 25: I suppose and send me open.

1636
01:16:59,013 --> 01:17:02,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, the envelope. Yeah, the envelope added a level of

1637
01:17:02,812 --> 01:17:06,652
Speaker 2: complexity to to the dog poop situation for me this morning, Stephen,

1638
01:17:06,692 --> 01:17:07,213
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

1639
01:17:08,412 --> 01:17:10,692
Speaker 25: Well it sounds like you need the It was like

1640
01:17:10,732 --> 01:17:14,532
Speaker 25: Batman's utility belt that you can clip on the onto

1641
01:17:14,572 --> 01:17:15,812
Speaker 25: the side where you're walking the dog.

1642
01:17:15,933 --> 01:17:20,173
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's so many dog related inventions. The Pope

1643
01:17:20,173 --> 01:17:27,372
Speaker 2: loop is great, Steven, you're a good man. Thank you

1644
01:17:27,452 --> 01:17:28,612
Speaker 2: very much for giving us a buzz.

1645
01:17:28,853 --> 01:17:31,052
Speaker 3: We're going to carry this on because the phone lines

1646
01:17:31,093 --> 01:17:33,333
Speaker 3: of chocol block and there's so many texts coming through,

1647
01:17:33,492 --> 01:17:35,053
Speaker 3: so can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and

1648
01:17:35,133 --> 01:17:38,572
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty the unwritten rules for picking up your

1649
01:17:38,652 --> 01:17:41,492
Speaker 3: dog leavings. Really can to have check with you. Oh

1650
01:17:41,492 --> 01:17:43,572
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1651
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:46,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really fired people. It certainly heirs. This

1652
01:17:46,853 --> 01:17:49,213
Speaker 2: is the big issue. Nineteen ninety two is the text number.

1653
01:17:49,572 --> 01:17:52,692
Speaker 3: It is three minutes to three New Sport and where

1654
01:17:52,732 --> 01:17:53,372
Speaker 3: they're coming up.

1655
01:17:53,372 --> 01:17:54,133
Speaker 2: Great to Evy Company.

1656
01:17:54,133 --> 01:18:00,652
Speaker 1: As always, your new home are insightle and entertaining talk.

1657
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:06,773
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on news Talk Sabby Afternoon.

1658
01:18:06,812 --> 01:18:07,532
Speaker 2: Welcome back.

1659
01:18:07,732 --> 01:18:10,213
Speaker 3: Just before we get back to the topic at a hand,

1660
01:18:10,293 --> 01:18:13,173
Speaker 3: the reminder Gareth abdenall employment little specialist. He is back

1661
01:18:13,253 --> 01:18:15,293
Speaker 3: with us in about twenty five minutes. Have you got

1662
01:18:15,293 --> 01:18:17,612
Speaker 3: a question related to your work or you're the boss

1663
01:18:17,612 --> 01:18:19,293
Speaker 3: and you've got a problem with your employee. I eight

1664
01:18:19,293 --> 01:18:20,972
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call

1665
01:18:21,093 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 3: get in the queue always popular.

1666
01:18:22,692 --> 01:18:24,452
Speaker 2: That's in twenty five minutes, but for the next half

1667
01:18:24,452 --> 01:18:27,813
Speaker 2: hour was still talking about this very hot topic around

1668
01:18:27,853 --> 01:18:33,253
Speaker 2: the rules on dog excrement out on that street picking

1669
01:18:33,293 --> 01:18:36,132
Speaker 2: them up in the bags? What are the rules this morning?

1670
01:18:36,293 --> 01:18:39,372
Speaker 2: As I said before, I only took two bags out

1671
01:18:39,412 --> 01:18:42,132
Speaker 2: accidentally when I was walking my dog with my partner

1672
01:18:42,133 --> 01:18:44,732
Speaker 2: Tracy Happy birthday. It's a birthday today and ran out

1673
01:18:44,772 --> 01:18:49,092
Speaker 2: of bags. Colin did an extra leaving on someone's yards,

1674
01:18:49,173 --> 01:18:51,892
Speaker 2: so I had to hunt around the streets, found an envelope,

1675
01:18:51,933 --> 01:18:54,133
Speaker 2: picked it up and then was carrying it home and

1676
01:18:54,213 --> 01:18:57,852
Speaker 2: was told I couldn't put it in an empty WHEELI bin, yep,

1677
01:18:58,412 --> 01:19:00,333
Speaker 2: because you know someone doesn't want to wheel that. And

1678
01:19:00,372 --> 01:19:02,172
Speaker 2: I couldn't put it in a rubbish bin in front of

1679
01:19:02,452 --> 01:19:04,692
Speaker 2: a dairy, so I had to carry it home and

1680
01:19:04,732 --> 01:19:07,213
Speaker 2: my little fingers until actually we found a rubbish bin

1681
01:19:07,253 --> 01:19:08,692
Speaker 2: on the way home that was nowhere in that okay

1682
01:19:08,692 --> 01:19:10,452
Speaker 2: to put it in. But a lot of people are

1683
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:12,053
Speaker 2: pointing out, do you think that Tracy was playing a

1684
01:19:12,093 --> 01:19:14,133
Speaker 2: practical joke on you? And she was making all these

1685
01:19:14,213 --> 01:19:19,132
Speaker 2: rules when you were walking home carrying this dog dog

1686
01:19:19,293 --> 01:19:22,213
Speaker 2: dumpling in a filthy little envelope and you're carrying it

1687
01:19:22,213 --> 01:19:23,812
Speaker 2: with your two fingers, and so she just kept up

1688
01:19:23,853 --> 01:19:25,253
Speaker 2: making up rules all the way home to make you

1689
01:19:25,293 --> 01:19:27,572
Speaker 2: carry it home. One hundred percent that's what she did.

1690
01:19:28,293 --> 01:19:32,213
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, we got a this This message came through

1691
01:19:32,213 --> 01:19:33,812
Speaker 2: from a dog enjoying this chat.

1692
01:19:37,692 --> 01:19:43,012
Speaker 4: No afternoons.

1693
01:19:44,893 --> 01:19:51,012
Speaker 2: To eleven two three. Oh is that Colin. That's not Colin,

1694
01:19:51,053 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 2: that's a listener. As I said, a listener sent that

1695
01:19:53,372 --> 01:19:54,732
Speaker 2: through their dog listening to her chat.

1696
01:19:54,772 --> 01:19:57,092
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved it. Had a lot to say about.

1697
01:19:56,893 --> 01:20:00,132
Speaker 2: This, either loving it or hating it. I had to say, Jimmy,

1698
01:20:00,213 --> 01:20:00,892
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

1699
01:20:01,812 --> 01:20:03,133
Speaker 6: Oh thank you very much.

1700
01:20:03,173 --> 01:20:03,532
Speaker 4: Guys.

1701
01:20:03,612 --> 01:20:06,532
Speaker 6: Look, look, I'd like to think that I'm a responsible

1702
01:20:06,612 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 6: dog owner, which I think I I am, and so

1703
01:20:09,452 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 6: are you two guys. At least we're not talking about

1704
01:20:12,253 --> 01:20:18,413
Speaker 6: the pimple on the nose, which is good's gone gone down. Yeah,

1705
01:20:18,532 --> 01:20:21,932
Speaker 6: thank God for that for the poor bugge. But listen, look,

1706
01:20:22,013 --> 01:20:26,772
Speaker 6: I look in my driveway. I've got me bins right,

1707
01:20:27,133 --> 01:20:30,213
Speaker 6: and I often see one or two people drop one

1708
01:20:30,492 --> 01:20:32,973
Speaker 6: in the red bin, but I don't see that.

1709
01:20:33,372 --> 01:20:34,132
Speaker 4: I don't mind.

1710
01:20:34,173 --> 01:20:37,772
Speaker 6: Honestly, It's better than dropping it somewhere else. But I

1711
01:20:37,893 --> 01:20:42,692
Speaker 6: had an incident about three years ago, and my little one,

1712
01:20:43,812 --> 01:20:47,852
Speaker 6: Lily had the runs, you know, and there was two

1713
01:20:47,933 --> 01:20:49,852
Speaker 6: people across.

1714
01:20:49,412 --> 01:20:50,612
Speaker 4: The road and.

1715
01:20:52,732 --> 01:20:54,773
Speaker 2: Lily a dog or a child.

1716
01:20:55,412 --> 01:21:01,572
Speaker 6: No, it's little Lily, she's a shitsu mulcheese mate. Yeah,

1717
01:21:01,772 --> 01:21:06,572
Speaker 6: and look the incident was like, you know, I couldn't

1718
01:21:06,612 --> 01:21:07,133
Speaker 6: pick it up.

1719
01:21:07,173 --> 01:21:08,253
Speaker 4: It was running, mate.

1720
01:21:08,652 --> 01:21:12,532
Speaker 6: And this guy was on the fleet opposite side, right

1721
01:21:12,853 --> 01:21:16,173
Speaker 6: renting and raven quite a big chat, you know, and

1722
01:21:16,253 --> 01:21:18,372
Speaker 6: I said, oh, and I said to him, I said,

1723
01:21:18,412 --> 01:21:21,293
Speaker 6: I can't take it up, mate, And I tried, and

1724
01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:23,772
Speaker 6: he started to advance on me, and I thought, oh

1725
01:21:23,973 --> 01:21:29,412
Speaker 6: Jesus Merian Joseph. But yeah, and look my little dog

1726
01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:34,052
Speaker 6: stood behind me, petrified because you know they're only small.

1727
01:21:34,692 --> 01:21:39,053
Speaker 6: And I said, don't advance anymore. Pell, I said, you're

1728
01:21:39,093 --> 01:21:43,492
Speaker 6: frightening my little dog. And you know what, for a

1729
01:21:43,572 --> 01:21:47,532
Speaker 6: split second, I wanted to hurt that bugger mate so

1730
01:21:47,812 --> 01:21:52,572
Speaker 6: bad ah, because my dog was whimpering and it frightened me.

1731
01:21:53,412 --> 01:21:56,652
Speaker 18: But I wasn't frightened. I was frightened I was going

1732
01:21:56,772 --> 01:21:57,652
Speaker 18: to hurt him.

1733
01:21:57,933 --> 01:22:01,412
Speaker 6: And he said to me, he said, listen. Oh he

1734
01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:05,452
Speaker 6: came out with the most vulgar language. And I thought,

1735
01:22:05,612 --> 01:22:06,172
Speaker 6: I said.

1736
01:22:06,013 --> 01:22:07,933
Speaker 4: Do not advance anymore.

1737
01:22:08,652 --> 01:22:12,532
Speaker 6: And you know what, in my heart of heart, I

1738
01:22:12,772 --> 01:22:17,813
Speaker 6: backed off. I walked away and he was still screaming

1739
01:22:17,893 --> 01:22:20,133
Speaker 6: at me. But little did he know what I was

1740
01:22:20,253 --> 01:22:23,972
Speaker 6: capable of doing, mate, And I was so proud, And

1741
01:22:24,013 --> 01:22:25,852
Speaker 6: it still upsets me today.

1742
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:29,933
Speaker 2: We can go on Jimmy for keeping your emotions and

1743
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 2: checked there. Things could have got worse. But we've all

1744
01:22:34,372 --> 01:22:36,772
Speaker 2: been there. And look, there's no doubt that some people

1745
01:22:36,772 --> 01:22:40,732
Speaker 2: get very heated about a dog, a dog leaving was

1746
01:22:40,732 --> 01:22:43,093
Speaker 2: it a barker's egg as they call them in the

1747
01:22:43,173 --> 01:22:46,293
Speaker 2: in the UK, But leaving a barker's egg, not not

1748
01:22:46,293 --> 01:22:49,532
Speaker 2: not picking picking it up. But it's definitely not worth

1749
01:22:49,652 --> 01:22:52,173
Speaker 2: like a full on best fight on the street over,

1750
01:22:52,452 --> 01:22:55,932
Speaker 2: is it. But dog owners, we've all experienced that your

1751
01:22:55,933 --> 01:23:00,293
Speaker 2: dog sometimes he's leaving something. She's leaving something you don't

1752
01:23:00,293 --> 01:23:04,253
Speaker 2: pick up. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes when it's at dusk

1753
01:23:04,333 --> 01:23:06,692
Speaker 2: or dawn it's a bit dark, you notice that your

1754
01:23:06,692 --> 01:23:08,852
Speaker 2: dog's gone, and you try and find it, you can't

1755
01:23:08,853 --> 01:23:12,293
Speaker 2: find it. And sometimes you just have to pretend you're

1756
01:23:12,293 --> 01:23:14,532
Speaker 2: picking something up and move on. Yep, we've all been there.

1757
01:23:14,612 --> 01:23:15,293
Speaker 2: We've all been there.

1758
01:23:15,333 --> 01:23:17,333
Speaker 3: It's about the attempt. As long as your attempt. Oh,

1759
01:23:17,412 --> 01:23:19,532
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1760
01:23:20,133 --> 01:23:21,933
Speaker 3: Plenty of calls to get to it is twelve to

1761
01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:25,173
Speaker 3: three used talk zibby fourteen past three.

1762
01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:27,532
Speaker 2: And look, I must say, just in case my dog

1763
01:23:27,532 --> 01:23:30,213
Speaker 2: Collin's listening, because he'll hear me talking about him. You're

1764
01:23:30,213 --> 01:23:32,452
Speaker 2: a good Boycollin, because sometimes I leave the radio at home,

1765
01:23:32,532 --> 01:23:34,213
Speaker 2: so you got to say you're a good boy. What

1766
01:23:34,253 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 2: a good boy, Collin? He's a good boy. He did

1767
01:23:35,893 --> 01:23:37,412
Speaker 2: nothing wrong in the scenario.

1768
01:23:36,973 --> 01:23:38,933
Speaker 3: Where's the cats get the where's the gats get the

1769
01:23:38,973 --> 01:23:40,412
Speaker 3: get the get get up the cats?

1770
01:23:42,732 --> 01:23:42,892
Speaker 4: Von.

1771
01:23:43,013 --> 01:23:44,653
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show your thoughts?

1772
01:23:45,732 --> 01:23:51,133
Speaker 22: Why why take the dog for a walk.

1773
01:23:50,213 --> 01:23:52,772
Speaker 26: With a tennis ball and throw the tennis ball and

1774
01:23:52,893 --> 01:23:56,492
Speaker 26: feature my mother men Shoeks sixteen dogs.

1775
01:23:56,173 --> 01:23:59,492
Speaker 2: That way really, So what you don't think people should

1776
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,773
Speaker 2: be taking their dogs for a walk around the streets.

1777
01:24:02,612 --> 01:24:06,053
Speaker 26: No, I don't because my vet that I used some

1778
01:24:06,253 --> 01:24:10,812
Speaker 26: years for many years he always argued that the domestic

1779
01:24:10,853 --> 01:24:16,213
Speaker 26: animals around are the ones that carry the disease. Dog

1780
01:24:16,412 --> 01:24:20,692
Speaker 26: urinates on the grass, Your dog walks through it, and

1781
01:24:20,732 --> 01:24:22,973
Speaker 26: it's sick. It takes glits home with it.

1782
01:24:23,812 --> 01:24:26,093
Speaker 2: But walking dogs is one of the great pleasures in

1783
01:24:26,133 --> 01:24:28,932
Speaker 2: life and it and it's a fantastic way to meet people.

1784
01:24:28,933 --> 01:24:30,852
Speaker 2: When you're walking your dog, you stop and you talk

1785
01:24:30,853 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 2: about what kinds of that dog that? And if you

1786
01:24:32,612 --> 01:24:34,452
Speaker 2: like me and you love dogs, you're seeing other dogs

1787
01:24:34,452 --> 01:24:36,732
Speaker 2: around makes you so happy. You're like, oh, what a

1788
01:24:36,772 --> 01:24:38,852
Speaker 2: good boy, what a good girl. It brings so much

1789
01:24:38,933 --> 01:24:40,452
Speaker 2: joy to the world of my life.

1790
01:24:41,333 --> 01:24:43,333
Speaker 26: I've owned dogs all my life, but I never take

1791
01:24:43,372 --> 01:24:45,173
Speaker 26: the walk to property to exerciety.

1792
01:24:45,572 --> 01:24:48,013
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an extreme view. I never thought we'd get

1793
01:24:48,053 --> 01:24:48,532
Speaker 2: the view of.

1794
01:24:50,053 --> 01:24:52,772
Speaker 3: Just just leave them in the back yard, throw a

1795
01:24:52,772 --> 01:24:53,452
Speaker 3: tennis ball around.

1796
01:24:53,492 --> 01:24:58,452
Speaker 2: Now, don't walk dogs at all, no choice. Walk your dogs,

1797
01:24:58,853 --> 01:25:01,372
Speaker 2: get out there. It's good for your health. Standing on

1798
01:25:01,372 --> 01:25:03,852
Speaker 2: your doorstep and just throwing a tennis ball. I mean

1799
01:25:03,893 --> 01:25:05,812
Speaker 2: that might might be good for the dog, might not be,

1800
01:25:06,492 --> 01:25:09,333
Speaker 2: but it's not good for you. Walking a dog is great,

1801
01:25:09,412 --> 01:25:12,372
Speaker 2: great for you. Also a dog getting out and sniffing

1802
01:25:12,412 --> 01:25:14,572
Speaker 2: all the different things. It's says, you know how much

1803
01:25:14,612 --> 01:25:16,852
Speaker 2: a dog loves to go out, So when you've got

1804
01:25:16,893 --> 01:25:18,492
Speaker 2: your dog out and you're walking the streets, that is

1805
01:25:18,853 --> 01:25:21,333
Speaker 2: that is the best time of their whole day. And

1806
01:25:21,372 --> 01:25:23,253
Speaker 2: the joy they get from going out in the streets

1807
01:25:23,253 --> 01:25:25,333
Speaker 2: brings joy to you, brings joy to the world.

1808
01:25:25,492 --> 01:25:27,652
Speaker 3: Nicely said, you can't keep them trapped in your backyard.

1809
01:25:27,772 --> 01:25:29,452
Speaker 3: I think you have one though. One hundred and eighty

1810
01:25:29,452 --> 01:25:30,852
Speaker 3: ten eighty is number to go gray.

1811
01:25:31,772 --> 01:25:34,932
Speaker 2: You even picked up other people's dog poos.

1812
01:25:35,532 --> 01:25:39,372
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I guess it's it's something we've always done,

1813
01:25:39,612 --> 01:25:41,892
Speaker 18: Like my mum's done it since we were kids, so

1814
01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:43,012
Speaker 18: we've always done.

1815
01:25:42,893 --> 01:25:43,932
Speaker 2: It good people.

1816
01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:45,173
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1817
01:25:45,173 --> 01:25:47,572
Speaker 18: I just kind of figured, like occasionally the somebody gets

1818
01:25:47,612 --> 01:25:50,253
Speaker 18: caught out without a bag. Yeah, I look on the

1819
01:25:50,253 --> 01:25:52,892
Speaker 18: bright side, like somebody probably didn't intentionally let their dog

1820
01:25:53,013 --> 01:25:55,892
Speaker 18: do that. They got caught out without a bag, and

1821
01:25:55,893 --> 01:25:57,892
Speaker 18: it's like, well, I want to be able to keep

1822
01:25:57,933 --> 01:26:01,092
Speaker 18: on walking the dogs on the beach and yeah, so yeah,

1823
01:26:01,893 --> 01:26:04,492
Speaker 18: if every dog owner out there is walking their dogs

1824
01:26:04,492 --> 01:26:06,772
Speaker 18: and just picked up another one. Well, it's not doing

1825
01:26:06,853 --> 01:26:07,572
Speaker 18: any harm of it.

1826
01:26:07,692 --> 01:26:10,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that some people miss sometimes miss that their

1827
01:26:10,333 --> 01:26:14,133
Speaker 2: dog's gone, and you know, and then and then that's

1828
01:26:14,372 --> 01:26:16,973
Speaker 2: then some poor person, some kids walking to school and

1829
01:26:17,013 --> 01:26:19,173
Speaker 2: they standard in it or something or something. So you're

1830
01:26:19,213 --> 01:26:21,412
Speaker 2: a very good person, Craig, and so some of us.

1831
01:26:22,213 --> 01:26:24,213
Speaker 18: Yeah, I just I don't think it's really that hard

1832
01:26:24,253 --> 01:26:27,093
Speaker 18: to do. But I listened to eve On there that

1833
01:26:27,213 --> 01:26:29,253
Speaker 18: that kind of Yeah, it was a bit of a bummer.

1834
01:26:29,293 --> 01:26:29,532
Speaker 9: Really.

1835
01:26:29,612 --> 01:26:31,853
Speaker 18: It's like dogs love getting.

1836
01:26:31,532 --> 01:26:36,932
Speaker 2: Out, and you speak about walking a dog on the beach,

1837
01:26:37,013 --> 01:26:38,532
Speaker 2: So I take my dog for a walk on the

1838
01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:42,572
Speaker 2: Tacpoon or point chiefly, and there is nothing that brings

1839
01:26:43,293 --> 01:26:46,173
Speaker 2: more joy to me and the other people there then

1840
01:26:46,213 --> 01:26:48,972
Speaker 2: seeing these dogs meeting each other on you going out

1841
01:26:48,973 --> 01:26:53,173
Speaker 2: in the fresh air. It's just such a life affirmingly, brilliant,

1842
01:26:53,893 --> 01:26:55,253
Speaker 2: happiness inducing thing.

1843
01:26:55,333 --> 01:26:58,932
Speaker 18: Craig, totally agree, mate. It's one of those positive things

1844
01:26:58,933 --> 01:27:01,333
Speaker 18: that we get out of life, you know. Yeah, And

1845
01:27:01,853 --> 01:27:04,692
Speaker 18: I sorry for those dogs, like she's had sixteen dogs

1846
01:27:04,772 --> 01:27:06,492
Speaker 18: or something, and I do feel a little bit sorry

1847
01:27:06,492 --> 01:27:09,532
Speaker 18: for them, because when my dog goes up and sniff

1848
01:27:09,652 --> 01:27:12,892
Speaker 18: the post with other dogs, read or whatever we just

1849
01:27:12,933 --> 01:27:14,253
Speaker 18: call that. She's checking your email.

1850
01:27:15,652 --> 01:27:18,412
Speaker 2: It's so true. There's so much there. And you know,

1851
01:27:18,732 --> 01:27:20,892
Speaker 2: I watched Colin doing He's so busy. He thinks he's

1852
01:27:20,893 --> 01:27:22,652
Speaker 2: doing something important. He's got to do it. He's got

1853
01:27:22,692 --> 01:27:24,972
Speaker 2: to sniff that, he's got to leave a message. It's

1854
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:28,293
Speaker 2: just so incredibly cute. And they know what they're doing.

1855
01:27:28,293 --> 01:27:33,813
Speaker 2: They're doing something and they it makes their day. And

1856
01:27:33,973 --> 01:27:35,692
Speaker 2: when it makes their day, it makes your day.

1857
01:27:35,692 --> 01:27:39,692
Speaker 18: Craig, guys, yeah, I think it's a dog's a.

1858
01:27:39,812 --> 01:27:44,293
Speaker 2: Wonderful, absolutely brilliant Thank you, Craig, and good on you

1859
01:27:44,372 --> 01:27:44,812
Speaker 2: picking up.

1860
01:27:44,853 --> 01:27:46,492
Speaker 3: I mean you go through a lot of bags doing there,

1861
01:27:46,532 --> 01:27:47,053
Speaker 3: but got on them.

1862
01:27:47,133 --> 01:27:49,652
Speaker 2: I'm going to become I don't know, but the great

1863
01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:52,213
Speaker 2: Danes leavings is a bit different from my dog's. Little

1864
01:27:52,213 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 2: ones needs big bags for a great day.

1865
01:27:53,973 --> 01:27:54,173
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1866
01:27:54,293 --> 01:27:56,852
Speaker 2: I think the big dog owners they deal with a lot.

1867
01:27:57,093 --> 01:28:00,293
Speaker 2: They deal with a lot. Yeah yeah, But maybe maybe

1868
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:02,612
Speaker 2: I'll become a great, great human being like Craig and

1869
01:28:02,652 --> 01:28:06,093
Speaker 2: start picking up other leavings. Maybe maybe maybe it's a

1870
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:08,133
Speaker 2: lot of envelopes. Maybe that's how I'll get into heaven

1871
01:28:08,572 --> 01:28:10,412
Speaker 2: make up for all the crimes I've permitted. Oh, I

1872
01:28:10,452 --> 01:28:12,213
Speaker 2: had a hundred. Good luck with that. Oh, one hundred

1873
01:28:12,213 --> 01:28:14,372
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to cool? It

1874
01:28:14,532 --> 01:28:15,812
Speaker 2: is nineteen past three.

1875
01:28:19,572 --> 01:28:23,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1876
01:28:23,333 --> 01:28:25,132
Speaker 1: ten eighty on used talk ZEDB.

1877
01:28:25,213 --> 01:28:29,892
Speaker 2: Twenty two past three earlier. Tyler, you've besmirched the good

1878
01:28:29,973 --> 01:28:32,732
Speaker 2: name of the blind community of New Zealand when you

1879
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:35,372
Speaker 2: said that they don't pick up their dog leavings. Here's

1880
01:28:35,372 --> 01:28:38,692
Speaker 2: a text from Carolyn Guys. I am blind. I have

1881
01:28:38,732 --> 01:28:40,852
Speaker 2: a guide dog and I pick up his poos and

1882
01:28:40,933 --> 01:28:42,812
Speaker 2: I take it home. So blind people do pick up

1883
01:28:42,853 --> 01:28:46,013
Speaker 2: their dog poop. Well, good on you, Carolyn for doing that. Yeah,

1884
01:28:46,133 --> 01:28:48,612
Speaker 2: so you want to apologize to the blind people.

1885
01:28:49,652 --> 01:28:51,973
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to the blind people out there. What

1886
01:28:52,053 --> 01:28:53,772
Speaker 3: I did say is they could smell it so clearly.

1887
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 3: You know she was able to do that.

1888
01:28:55,133 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 2: Hey buys, Hey buys, What did I say that? So weird?

1889
01:28:57,853 --> 01:29:01,892
Speaker 2: Hey buys, Hey boys, Hey boys. I met my wife

1890
01:29:01,933 --> 01:29:04,333
Speaker 2: walking my dog as she walked her dog, being married

1891
01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:07,933
Speaker 2: thirty two years now, cheers Mark. Soon See that's the

1892
01:29:07,973 --> 01:29:11,732
Speaker 2: thing you meet people walking dogs? Yeah, every day when

1893
01:29:11,732 --> 01:29:13,692
Speaker 2: I'm walking Colin, I stop and talk to people about

1894
01:29:13,732 --> 01:29:15,093
Speaker 2: their dogs and have a little bit of a chat.

1895
01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:17,293
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing. Maybe five or six times on

1896
01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:19,372
Speaker 2: the walk I do, yeah, let them out, let him

1897
01:29:19,412 --> 01:29:22,573
Speaker 2: out of the beachyard. It's one of the great remaining

1898
01:29:22,772 --> 01:29:26,133
Speaker 2: ways to to you know, in this in these times

1899
01:29:26,173 --> 01:29:30,372
Speaker 2: when we were polarized and and and locked away and

1900
01:29:30,612 --> 01:29:34,012
Speaker 2: with social media and people aren't spending time faith to faith,

1901
01:29:34,412 --> 01:29:37,812
Speaker 2: a dog is just such a great like icebreaker, yep

1902
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:40,253
Speaker 2: for talking to people. It is, you know, and it's

1903
01:29:40,253 --> 01:29:42,133
Speaker 2: one of the one of the just really great things

1904
01:29:42,133 --> 01:29:44,372
Speaker 2: about having a dog. As you you chat to other

1905
01:29:44,372 --> 01:29:46,093
Speaker 2: people about their dogs, and if you're a dog lover,

1906
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:48,132
Speaker 2: you just see a dog and you just get hugely

1907
01:29:48,173 --> 01:29:51,133
Speaker 2: excited and and I just think it's a fantastic thing.

1908
01:29:51,173 --> 01:29:55,492
Speaker 3: Great for your mental health. Absolutely, Roseanne, how are you hid?

1909
01:29:55,772 --> 01:29:55,812
Speaker 6: You?

1910
01:29:55,933 --> 01:30:00,333
Speaker 2: How should tell very well? What's your thoughts?

1911
01:30:01,093 --> 01:30:04,253
Speaker 20: I had a dog, but sadly he died.

1912
01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:05,372
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry to hear that.

1913
01:30:06,293 --> 01:30:07,213
Speaker 6: And I just thank you.

1914
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:09,533
Speaker 24: And I used to walk her under our block.

1915
01:30:10,812 --> 01:30:14,293
Speaker 15: And I'll pick up his duties, yeah, and just bring

1916
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:15,612
Speaker 15: them home and just put them in.

1917
01:30:15,652 --> 01:30:16,973
Speaker 27: Now, you know.

1918
01:30:17,173 --> 01:30:20,772
Speaker 2: Push So you didn't even so, you're you're in the

1919
01:30:20,772 --> 01:30:24,092
Speaker 2: camp that you you shouldn't put them in public rubbish bins.

1920
01:30:24,173 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 2: You shouldn't put them and wheelie bins that are out

1921
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:28,772
Speaker 2: on the street. You should take it home and deal

1922
01:30:28,812 --> 01:30:30,692
Speaker 2: with it yourself, not other.

1923
01:30:30,572 --> 01:30:31,612
Speaker 20: People's really bins.

1924
01:30:31,732 --> 01:30:35,093
Speaker 28: No, I'm unsure about the shops.

1925
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:38,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I can. I can get the argument outside

1926
01:30:38,372 --> 01:30:40,372
Speaker 2: a dairy, but but a public spin And you know,

1927
01:30:40,452 --> 01:30:43,572
Speaker 2: of course there's the dog shaped green dog shaped poop

1928
01:30:43,612 --> 01:30:46,173
Speaker 2: bins that are about in some parts. That's a given.

1929
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Speaker 2: That's a given. Yeah, that's a given. They're very cute.

1930
01:30:49,133 --> 01:30:51,892
Speaker 2: I mean, well, actually they are horrible. Yea, they stink.

1931
01:30:51,973 --> 01:30:54,372
Speaker 2: They look cute from a dose stage. You don't want

1932
01:30:54,372 --> 01:30:57,372
Speaker 2: to hang around those too long. Thank you so much

1933
01:30:57,372 --> 01:30:58,252
Speaker 2: for your call, Rosanne.

1934
01:30:58,492 --> 01:31:01,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. This is quite a full

1935
01:31:01,732 --> 01:31:02,372
Speaker 3: noise text.

1936
01:31:02,532 --> 01:31:05,652
Speaker 2: Yep, geez, wake up. You're talking about a lower life

1937
01:31:05,652 --> 01:31:08,333
Speaker 2: form here. They don't have emotions. The jury is out

1938
01:31:08,372 --> 01:31:10,852
Speaker 2: on if they even think. Is there nothing intelligent to

1939
01:31:10,853 --> 01:31:11,692
Speaker 2: talk about? Tony?

1940
01:31:11,973 --> 01:31:14,893
Speaker 3: Well, Tony, i'd say you are a lower form of intelligence.

1941
01:31:14,893 --> 01:31:17,572
Speaker 3: How do you besmirch dogs like that? I'm sorry, but

1942
01:31:18,053 --> 01:31:20,852
Speaker 3: that's not on a dog hater? Yeah, no, I can't

1943
01:31:21,213 --> 01:31:23,452
Speaker 3: get out of here. Tony dogs are the best of us.

1944
01:31:23,532 --> 01:31:27,772
Speaker 2: Dog sniffing is getting the news, absolutely right. I've done

1945
01:31:27,812 --> 01:31:30,213
Speaker 2: it the other day. Boys, someone left their dog's business

1946
01:31:30,253 --> 01:31:32,652
Speaker 2: on the footpath outside my house, so I thought i'd

1947
01:31:32,652 --> 01:31:34,652
Speaker 2: better pick it up in case somebody stands on it.

1948
01:31:35,013 --> 01:31:36,852
Speaker 2: And that's not a barrel of last to do. They're

1949
01:31:36,893 --> 01:31:38,892
Speaker 2: good on your pill Yeah that is good. So there

1950
01:31:38,893 --> 01:31:40,652
Speaker 2: are really good people out there. I'd like to see

1951
01:31:40,652 --> 01:31:42,812
Speaker 2: you use rubber gloves and catch Colin's poop before it

1952
01:31:42,853 --> 01:31:45,572
Speaker 2: hits the ground. That make my day. Go to the

1953
01:31:45,572 --> 01:31:50,172
Speaker 2: park seeing twenty three people clubbed up and crushed stop

1954
01:31:50,572 --> 01:31:53,732
Speaker 2: stile waiting to catch the poop. Yeah, that is great, tigs,

1955
01:31:53,732 --> 01:31:55,372
Speaker 2: I'll pay good money. Well, there's a few people are

1956
01:31:55,372 --> 01:31:58,492
Speaker 2: saying that they carry a little garden trowl around. Yeah,

1957
01:31:58,532 --> 01:32:00,652
Speaker 2: and so where the dog goes they dig a little

1958
01:32:00,692 --> 01:32:03,532
Speaker 2: hole and bury it. That's okay, well is it? Yeah?

1959
01:32:03,612 --> 01:32:06,052
Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean it's fine in some spots,

1960
01:32:06,093 --> 01:32:09,652
Speaker 2: but to people want their booms having hundreds of little

1961
01:32:09,692 --> 01:32:10,852
Speaker 2: holes in them, like little.

1962
01:32:10,652 --> 01:32:13,892
Speaker 3: Gold gopher holes with bury the good point. Let me clarify,

1963
01:32:13,973 --> 01:32:16,052
Speaker 3: not on someone's private property, but just in a reserve.

1964
01:32:16,093 --> 01:32:17,293
Speaker 3: You could take a wee hole and bury it.

1965
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:20,133
Speaker 2: The best exercise for a stay at home dog is

1966
01:32:20,213 --> 01:32:24,533
Speaker 2: keeping the neighbour's cat from crepping in your garden. Okay, okay,

1967
01:32:24,692 --> 01:32:25,692
Speaker 2: good to know. That's right.

1968
01:32:25,772 --> 01:32:29,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this one yidday, guys, I'm on the hunt

1969
01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:32,173
Speaker 3: for an irresponsible dog owner who keeps letting their dog

1970
01:32:32,293 --> 01:32:36,093
Speaker 3: do their business on my grass boom. It is owned

1971
01:32:36,093 --> 01:32:38,372
Speaker 3: by the council, but I maintain it. It seems they

1972
01:32:38,412 --> 01:32:41,652
Speaker 3: know exactly when I am out, and they are not

1973
01:32:41,692 --> 01:32:45,093
Speaker 3: just small poos, they are occasionally massive. I'm at the

1974
01:32:45,093 --> 01:32:47,892
Speaker 3: point where I'm about to install cameras outside to snap

1975
01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:48,892
Speaker 3: them in the act.

1976
01:32:49,053 --> 01:32:51,572
Speaker 2: Please help me. The tests says, how did the blind

1977
01:32:51,612 --> 01:32:55,093
Speaker 2: person text in? Did the guide dog do that? As well?

1978
01:32:56,572 --> 01:32:59,372
Speaker 2: Got cynical people? Yeah, the AI that can help them

1979
01:32:59,692 --> 01:33:03,372
Speaker 2: Google Translate whilst you can find the dog poothing you.

1980
01:33:03,372 --> 01:33:05,293
Speaker 2: You know, there's levels of blindness. You can be legally

1981
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:07,812
Speaker 2: blind and you can still see a little bit. Yeah, exactly,

1982
01:33:07,893 --> 01:33:11,972
Speaker 2: it's not it's not. Judge Christine, how are you good?

1983
01:33:12,013 --> 01:33:12,492
Speaker 26: Thank you?

1984
01:33:12,572 --> 01:33:13,693
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts?

1985
01:33:14,732 --> 01:33:19,372
Speaker 28: I talk about Doc's worthy, good for human medison, good

1986
01:33:19,412 --> 01:33:24,612
Speaker 28: for the help. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, there's a wordly healthy medison,

1987
01:33:24,772 --> 01:33:25,852
Speaker 28: nature medison.

1988
01:33:26,412 --> 01:33:26,612
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1989
01:33:27,732 --> 01:33:31,253
Speaker 2: Agree, getting out and about freshier, seeing some trees, meeting people,

1990
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:33,933
Speaker 2: walking the dog. You know, just just the act of

1991
01:33:33,973 --> 01:33:36,053
Speaker 2: walking is good for you. But getting out of the house.

1992
01:33:36,093 --> 01:33:39,372
Speaker 2: But dividing d from the from the sky, it's it's brilliant.

1993
01:33:40,572 --> 01:33:40,812
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1994
01:33:40,853 --> 01:33:43,932
Speaker 28: Also, if you if you've got under pressure, you've got stretch,

1995
01:33:44,013 --> 01:33:45,852
Speaker 28: you take the dog for war. You play with the dog,

1996
01:33:46,053 --> 01:33:48,213
Speaker 28: or your all your straight is gone away.

1997
01:33:48,532 --> 01:33:48,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1998
01:33:49,053 --> 01:33:53,173
Speaker 28: Make you another thing about the pool. I don't know

1999
01:33:53,213 --> 01:33:57,013
Speaker 28: why everybody meant above the dog pool. I think it's

2000
01:33:57,013 --> 01:34:00,652
Speaker 28: a dog pool. It's a nature half an hour they

2001
01:34:00,732 --> 01:34:02,652
Speaker 28: dry out the wrink and wash it. Good for the

2002
01:34:02,812 --> 01:34:04,052
Speaker 28: tree and good for the nature.

2003
01:34:04,532 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 2: Ah. So you so you're in the camp Christine of

2004
01:34:07,213 --> 01:34:09,452
Speaker 2: just leave it be, leave it where it is, don't

2005
01:34:09,492 --> 01:34:11,013
Speaker 2: take it home, don't put in a bag, don't put

2006
01:34:11,053 --> 01:34:12,612
Speaker 2: it in the wheel even, just leave it where it is,

2007
01:34:12,692 --> 01:34:13,372
Speaker 2: leave it where it be.

2008
01:34:14,732 --> 01:34:17,013
Speaker 28: No, yeah, you can't point a frustic bag and you're

2009
01:34:17,013 --> 01:34:19,133
Speaker 28: pointing a flustic back. You're toin a rubbish being. The mean,

2010
01:34:19,173 --> 01:34:21,692
Speaker 28: it's getting worse for the people. Picked for the people,

2011
01:34:21,772 --> 01:34:24,372
Speaker 28: cring up, I mean, for the people, clean up the

2012
01:34:24,452 --> 01:34:26,772
Speaker 28: rubbish they do is a hen or something that the

2013
01:34:26,812 --> 01:34:29,612
Speaker 28: machine or make its milk because the pool for meat

2014
01:34:29,732 --> 01:34:31,533
Speaker 28: is a nature.

2015
01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:34,652
Speaker 2: Yep, let nature do it. That's absolutely true. It isn't

2016
01:34:34,652 --> 01:34:36,333
Speaker 2: It is nature and it will do its thing. And

2017
01:34:36,372 --> 01:34:38,013
Speaker 2: when we were when I was growing up, there was

2018
01:34:38,013 --> 01:34:40,133
Speaker 2: a lot of white dog herds on the street that

2019
01:34:40,173 --> 01:34:42,452
Speaker 2: you don't see anymore. That's right, But the Auckland councilor

2020
01:34:42,452 --> 01:34:44,213
Speaker 2: have decided that that's not something you're there to do.

2021
01:34:44,253 --> 01:34:47,372
Speaker 2: There's a three hundred dollars fine for leaving them out there.

2022
01:34:47,732 --> 01:34:54,132
Speaker 2: But it is I do sometimes think that in the future,

2023
01:34:54,812 --> 01:34:57,813
Speaker 2: you know, they're going to be you know, an archaeologists

2024
01:34:57,812 --> 01:34:59,412
Speaker 2: are going to be looking back at our time and

2025
01:34:59,452 --> 01:35:03,452
Speaker 2: they're just going to find thousands and thousands of dog leavings.

2026
01:35:03,492 --> 01:35:05,853
Speaker 2: They'll check the DNA and they'll find out the species

2027
01:35:06,293 --> 01:35:09,372
Speaker 2: wrapped in plastic bags and going to go what were

2028
01:35:09,372 --> 01:35:11,973
Speaker 2: they up to? What was the weird religious thing that

2029
01:35:12,053 --> 01:35:16,013
Speaker 2: they had around taking natural leavings of another animal and

2030
01:35:16,053 --> 01:35:18,133
Speaker 2: bagging them up. That is why they didn't make it.

2031
01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:21,452
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much for that discussion, great text,

2032
01:35:22,093 --> 01:35:24,652
Speaker 3: and really enjoyed those phone calls. Intichs right coming up

2033
01:35:24,652 --> 01:35:28,212
Speaker 3: We've got Gareth Abdenor in studio taking your calls and questions.

2034
01:35:28,213 --> 01:35:30,092
Speaker 3: He's a law expert, so if you've got a problem

2035
01:35:30,093 --> 01:35:31,572
Speaker 3: in your work place, he is the man to chat to.

2036
01:35:31,612 --> 01:35:33,092
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number

2037
01:35:33,093 --> 01:35:33,293
Speaker 3: to call.

2038
01:35:33,492 --> 01:35:37,253
Speaker 2: So just to finalize, you got to pick up your

2039
01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:39,372
Speaker 2: dog poost Chris Christine. I get your point that there

2040
01:35:39,372 --> 01:35:41,293
Speaker 2: are natural but I think you've you've got to pick

2041
01:35:41,333 --> 01:35:43,173
Speaker 2: them up because someone could stand in them and make

2042
01:35:43,213 --> 01:35:43,612
Speaker 2: a mess.

2043
01:35:43,732 --> 01:35:43,972
Speaker 4: Yep.

2044
01:35:44,572 --> 01:35:46,652
Speaker 2: Don't put them in a wheelly bin. No, not an

2045
01:35:46,692 --> 01:35:48,213
Speaker 2: empty one. Not on an empty wheelly bin.

2046
01:35:48,372 --> 01:35:48,452
Speaker 12: Ye.

2047
01:35:48,853 --> 01:35:51,412
Speaker 2: Put them in rubbish bins, but not in front of dairies.

2048
01:35:51,532 --> 01:35:51,812
Speaker 4: Yep.

2049
01:35:51,933 --> 01:35:53,572
Speaker 2: Is that the final rules? And if you can take

2050
01:35:53,612 --> 01:35:55,093
Speaker 2: them home and get a poopl loop, yeah, and get

2051
01:35:55,093 --> 01:35:56,732
Speaker 2: a poop loop, you a good rules. So we got

2052
01:35:56,772 --> 01:36:00,572
Speaker 2: there and dogs make the world a better place, beautiful

2053
01:36:00,572 --> 01:36:02,213
Speaker 2: place to leave it. Twenty nine past three.

2054
01:36:04,452 --> 01:36:07,532
Speaker 12: Hus Talk said the headline quich blue bubble taxis it's

2055
01:36:07,532 --> 01:36:10,572
Speaker 12: no trouble with blue bubble. The government says it's doing

2056
01:36:10,612 --> 01:36:13,173
Speaker 12: all it can to get more New Zealanders working. As

2057
01:36:13,253 --> 01:36:16,972
Speaker 12: unemployment HiT's a five year high of five point two percent.

2058
01:36:17,572 --> 01:36:20,692
Speaker 12: It says it's banking on boosting exports and short term

2059
01:36:20,812 --> 01:36:25,372
Speaker 12: it's investing in big infrastructure projects this year. The property

2060
01:36:25,372 --> 01:36:28,772
Speaker 12: market remains cool, dipping zero point two percent in July,

2061
01:36:29,173 --> 01:36:32,612
Speaker 12: with falls in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch and minor gains

2062
01:36:32,652 --> 01:36:36,692
Speaker 12: in Hamilton and Podunger. Transporting New Zealand's giving a thumbs

2063
01:36:36,772 --> 01:36:39,852
Speaker 12: up for dumping petrol levies, with plans to charge all

2064
01:36:39,933 --> 01:36:43,612
Speaker 12: road users regardless of how a vehicle's powered, to add

2065
01:36:43,652 --> 01:36:48,132
Speaker 12: evs and hybrids into the mix. Six Taranaki alcohol sellers

2066
01:36:48,173 --> 01:36:51,932
Speaker 12: have failed compliance checks carried out last month, with underrange

2067
01:36:52,013 --> 01:36:56,452
Speaker 12: volunteer shoppers only twice asked for ID at eight venues.

2068
01:36:57,133 --> 01:36:59,413
Speaker 12: A Keywa Air Force crew is pulled off a nineteen

2069
01:36:59,532 --> 01:37:04,052
Speaker 12: hour mid winter Antarctica medical rescue overnight to evacuate three

2070
01:37:04,093 --> 01:37:07,812
Speaker 12: people from McMurdo base, and the maker of sleepy pods

2071
01:37:07,812 --> 01:37:11,652
Speaker 12: for thora homeless population says he's disappointed the idea was

2072
01:37:11,652 --> 01:37:15,372
Speaker 12: shut down by the council. Read more at Enzen Herald Premium.

2073
01:37:15,492 --> 01:37:17,093
Speaker 12: Now back to Masson Tayler.

2074
01:37:16,893 --> 01:37:19,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. Gareth abden Or is an

2075
01:37:19,093 --> 01:37:22,892
Speaker 3: employment workplace in information expert and director of abden Or law.

2076
01:37:23,093 --> 01:37:24,892
Speaker 3: He joins us once a month as part of our

2077
01:37:24,973 --> 01:37:27,612
Speaker 3: USK the Expert series to answer listener questions, and he

2078
01:37:27,692 --> 01:37:31,652
Speaker 3: is back with us now. Gareth, Hello to you, goodday guys.

2079
01:37:32,133 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 3: Great to have your company. As always, the texts and

2080
01:37:34,532 --> 01:37:36,692
Speaker 3: the questions are coming thick and fast. We'll get straight

2081
01:37:36,732 --> 01:37:37,013
Speaker 3: into it.

2082
01:37:37,093 --> 01:37:37,412
Speaker 9: Gareth.

2083
01:37:37,452 --> 01:37:39,612
Speaker 2: Well, let's sleep one here on the topic of dogs,

2084
01:37:39,652 --> 01:37:41,612
Speaker 2: because we're talking about it. We used to be able

2085
01:37:41,612 --> 01:37:43,972
Speaker 2: to take our dogs to work. Now we aren't. Can

2086
01:37:44,013 --> 01:37:49,452
Speaker 2: I ask my work to pay for the kennel? No,

2087
01:37:52,213 --> 01:37:53,972
Speaker 2: I mean there are no rights on that. Are they

2088
01:37:53,973 --> 01:37:55,012
Speaker 2: taking your dogs to work?

2089
01:37:55,532 --> 01:37:55,772
Speaker 23: No?

2090
01:37:56,452 --> 01:37:59,772
Speaker 2: Actually this happened at Wellington City Council, didn't it that

2091
01:37:59,812 --> 01:38:02,253
Speaker 2: they changed the rules about taking dogs to work? That's right?

2092
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:04,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Torri Farno was taking her little dog in. Yeah,

2093
01:38:04,853 --> 01:38:05,812
Speaker 3: and people didn't like it.

2094
01:38:06,213 --> 01:38:08,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right.

2095
01:38:08,372 --> 01:38:13,213
Speaker 23: It's diffinitely an issue that's polarizing. Yeah. I'd love to

2096
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:15,932
Speaker 23: take my dog to work, but I don't think everybody

2097
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:16,732
Speaker 23: will be thrilled.

2098
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:19,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coler would be great in the WE studio. We'll

2099
01:38:19,612 --> 01:38:21,812
Speaker 3: get them in at some stage. Oh one hundred and

2100
01:38:21,853 --> 01:38:23,612
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've

2101
01:38:23,652 --> 01:38:26,333
Speaker 3: got a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity and

2102
01:38:26,372 --> 01:38:29,812
Speaker 3: you better get them fast because it's always popular text

2103
01:38:29,893 --> 01:38:32,372
Speaker 3: question here Gareth, Hi there, If I'm on a ninety

2104
01:38:32,492 --> 01:38:35,013
Speaker 3: days trial period, what sort of notice period do I

2105
01:38:35,093 --> 01:38:37,253
Speaker 3: need to give if I don't want to work for

2106
01:38:37,293 --> 01:38:38,333
Speaker 3: this employer anymore?

2107
01:38:40,452 --> 01:38:45,012
Speaker 23: Yeah? That's actually oh yeah, right, that's a brilliant question

2108
01:38:45,412 --> 01:38:50,372
Speaker 23: because the ninety day trial period really is for the

2109
01:38:50,572 --> 01:38:55,013
Speaker 23: employer to dismiss the employee. If you're the employee and

2110
01:38:55,053 --> 01:38:58,532
Speaker 23: you want to resign, then it's the notice period that's

2111
01:38:58,532 --> 01:39:03,892
Speaker 23: in your contract. So yeah, I wouldn't get too hung

2112
01:39:03,973 --> 01:39:05,973
Speaker 23: up on the ninety day trial period. It's just what

2113
01:39:06,133 --> 01:39:07,092
Speaker 23: is your notice period?

2114
01:39:07,853 --> 01:39:08,333
Speaker 2: Right?

2115
01:39:08,452 --> 01:39:08,652
Speaker 19: Right?

2116
01:39:08,732 --> 01:39:11,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting one to turn that around them.

2117
01:39:11,213 --> 01:39:12,973
Speaker 2: That hurt my mind when I was thinking about that.

2118
01:39:15,013 --> 01:39:18,053
Speaker 2: My nephew sixteen years old, has been shoulder tapped by

2119
01:39:18,133 --> 01:39:21,253
Speaker 2: an NRL league club and is engaging with him directly

2120
01:39:21,293 --> 01:39:23,853
Speaker 2: without the parents being wise to all of the conversations,

2121
01:39:23,893 --> 01:39:28,012
Speaker 2: even showing him a contract without parents there. What rights

2122
01:39:28,013 --> 01:39:30,852
Speaker 2: does he have or my brother have towards this? And

2123
01:39:30,893 --> 01:39:33,092
Speaker 2: does he need a manager at the age of sixteen?

2124
01:39:34,973 --> 01:39:39,293
Speaker 23: I mean, if he's if he's getting courted by major clubs,

2125
01:39:40,133 --> 01:39:43,172
Speaker 23: they might not be a bad idea to have a manager.

2126
01:39:43,612 --> 01:39:45,532
Speaker 23: Of course, I'm pretty sure a manager is not going

2127
01:39:45,612 --> 01:39:49,173
Speaker 23: to do it for free, so that's going to cost him.

2128
01:39:49,333 --> 01:39:51,932
Speaker 23: But you know, he can get whoever he likes to

2129
01:39:51,973 --> 01:39:54,732
Speaker 23: help him with that, whether that be his parents or

2130
01:39:56,293 --> 01:39:58,572
Speaker 23: some trusted family member or a manager.

2131
01:39:59,173 --> 01:40:03,452
Speaker 2: So can you start negotiating with the sixteen year old?

2132
01:40:03,492 --> 01:40:03,732
Speaker 4: Though?

2133
01:40:04,173 --> 01:40:08,333
Speaker 2: Can like Canny, anyone start negotiating with a sixteen year old?

2134
01:40:08,652 --> 01:40:11,333
Speaker 2: Or is there an age where you can start signing contracts?

2135
01:40:12,572 --> 01:40:14,772
Speaker 23: That's a great question, and it's not something I've ever

2136
01:40:14,812 --> 01:40:18,812
Speaker 23: had to deal with. As you might expect, they're not

2137
01:40:18,893 --> 01:40:23,852
Speaker 23: many sixteen year olds engaging me for employment advice because

2138
01:40:24,333 --> 01:40:26,572
Speaker 23: you know, it's a bit blunt. Generally they can't afford it.

2139
01:40:27,692 --> 01:40:29,253
Speaker 23: I don't know what the answer to that is.

2140
01:40:29,692 --> 01:40:31,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'd be a little bit suspicious of

2141
01:40:33,093 --> 01:40:37,053
Speaker 2: any any club that's negotiating with a sixteen year old

2142
01:40:37,093 --> 01:40:38,333
Speaker 2: without bringing the parents into it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it does sound a little bit dodgy, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a unique situation, that's for sure. This is

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01:40:44,333 --> 01:40:47,293
Speaker 3: a good one, Gareth. I'm in a new senior manager

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01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:50,412
Speaker 3: position that I report to, But the manager is hiring

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01:40:50,452 --> 01:40:53,892
Speaker 3: new people over existing staff that deserve promotions and have

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01:40:54,013 --> 01:40:56,813
Speaker 3: been at the organization a long time with more experience

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01:40:56,893 --> 01:40:59,333
Speaker 3: than any new staffer would have. What can be done

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01:40:59,612 --> 01:41:02,333
Speaker 3: about this is I feel it's unfair to give promotions

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01:41:02,372 --> 01:41:05,132
Speaker 3: to new starters. By the way, all the new people

2152
01:41:05,173 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 3: are from the same company that the manager came from.

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01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:08,213
Speaker 2: Thanks from Chad.

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01:41:09,853 --> 01:41:13,772
Speaker 23: Wow, what a tricky situation. I guess the caller needs

2155
01:41:13,812 --> 01:41:18,253
Speaker 23: to be really careful. I like the fact that he's

2156
01:41:18,293 --> 01:41:21,732
Speaker 23: standing up for these other staff members, but ultimately it's

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01:41:21,853 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 23: their issue, not his. He can certainly make representations to

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01:41:27,372 --> 01:41:30,692
Speaker 23: his boss saying I think these people deserve it, but

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01:41:30,812 --> 01:41:34,772
Speaker 23: if it's not as cool, it's not as cool. They

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01:41:34,812 --> 01:41:38,213
Speaker 23: could if they feel they being overlooked and treated unfairly,

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01:41:38,612 --> 01:41:42,093
Speaker 23: they can certainly raise a claim, but it would would

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01:41:42,093 --> 01:41:45,092
Speaker 23: be very odd if he raised a claim on their behalf,

2163
01:41:45,572 --> 01:41:49,013
Speaker 23: and certainly not a situation that I would suggest.

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01:41:49,732 --> 01:41:53,053
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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01:41:53,173 --> 01:41:56,292
Speaker 3: number to call. Gareth is standing by to take your questions.

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01:41:56,293 --> 01:41:58,012
Speaker 3: If you've got a problem in the workplace or something

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01:41:58,053 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 3: that's a bit confusing. He is the man to chat to.

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01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:02,932
Speaker 3: And if you're the boss. He is a great person

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01:42:02,973 --> 01:42:05,173
Speaker 3: to chat to if you've got a problem with your employee.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:42:08,412 --> 01:42:11,452
Speaker 2: Text it just says absolutely, get a management no matter what.

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01:42:11,612 --> 01:42:14,372
Speaker 2: They get you more money and sponsorship than your mum can.

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01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:18,612
Speaker 23: Okay, good advice, Jaiz, that's about harsh or a mum.

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01:42:20,572 --> 01:42:22,852
Speaker 2: Some moms are incredibly savvy.

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01:42:23,013 --> 01:42:25,172
Speaker 23: Yeah, secually and then might be a manager.

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01:42:25,333 --> 01:42:28,372
Speaker 2: And yes, they do start engaging with you at sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting, Yeah right. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:42:31,532 --> 01:42:33,972
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is twenty two

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Speaker 3: to four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

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01:42:41,532 --> 01:42:44,333
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

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01:42:44,492 --> 01:42:45,892
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

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01:42:45,893 --> 01:42:48,253
Speaker 3: They'd be It's nineteen to four and in studio as

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01:42:48,293 --> 01:42:51,293
Speaker 3: Gareth amdenor joining us. He's an employment, workplace and information

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01:42:51,412 --> 01:42:53,572
Speaker 3: expert and he's a great man to chat to if

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01:42:53,612 --> 01:42:55,412
Speaker 3: you've got a problem in the workplace or a problem

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01:42:55,452 --> 01:42:56,132
Speaker 3: with an employee.

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01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:57,812
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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01:42:57,893 --> 01:43:00,772
Speaker 2: I've picked this one out because it's my partner's birthday today. Tracy,

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01:43:00,812 --> 01:43:03,892
Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday. Two people at my work got

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01:43:03,933 --> 01:43:06,973
Speaker 2: their birthdays off. When I asked, I was not allowed to.

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01:43:07,333 --> 01:43:10,093
Speaker 2: Is an entitlement off to others your right too? I

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01:43:10,173 --> 01:43:13,053
Speaker 2: understand that birthdays off isn't a right, But if it's

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01:43:13,093 --> 01:43:15,412
Speaker 2: been offered to others year after year, does that become

2195
01:43:15,532 --> 01:43:18,492
Speaker 2: an office right? Do you understand that?

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01:43:19,253 --> 01:43:22,652
Speaker 23: Wow? I guess what's not clear from that question is

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01:43:23,732 --> 01:43:27,053
Speaker 23: where these other two people given the day off in

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01:43:27,173 --> 01:43:30,692
Speaker 23: addition to their normal leave or did they just get

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01:43:30,772 --> 01:43:33,053
Speaker 23: to take the day off and get their normal leave?

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01:43:33,732 --> 01:43:33,932
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:39,612
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's often what's not included in the question that's

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01:43:39,732 --> 01:43:40,932
Speaker 23: the most important part.

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01:43:41,253 --> 01:43:43,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, give us a ring on eight hundred and eighty

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01:43:43,532 --> 01:43:47,013
Speaker 2: ten eighty texture with more details that we need, need

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01:43:47,093 --> 01:43:50,452
Speaker 2: more details. But say if it was so, if an

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01:43:50,492 --> 01:43:55,053
Speaker 2: employer is giving some people something, I mean, are they

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01:43:55,093 --> 01:43:59,213
Speaker 2: allowed to dish some things out to people and not

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01:43:59,492 --> 01:44:00,293
Speaker 2: to others?

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Speaker 23: I mean, surely that's not getting that benefit. Could certainly

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01:44:05,973 --> 01:44:10,173
Speaker 23: object and raise a claim for being treated differently to

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01:44:10,253 --> 01:44:11,012
Speaker 23: everybody else.

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01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:11,372
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:44:11,572 --> 01:44:15,612
Speaker 23: Right, of course, it can be really tricky for an

2214
01:44:15,652 --> 01:44:20,732
Speaker 23: employer because they they often can't tell the whole story

2215
01:44:20,853 --> 01:44:23,012
Speaker 23: to all the rest of the staff. So you don't

2216
01:44:23,053 --> 01:44:25,532
Speaker 23: actually know why these people got that day.

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01:44:25,732 --> 01:44:27,692
Speaker 2: Does It does sound like someone's sitting at their desk

2218
01:44:28,133 --> 01:44:31,652
Speaker 2: feeling envious and jealousy and looking at you know, stretching

2219
01:44:31,893 --> 01:44:33,932
Speaker 2: their books and looking slightly ov and go, how can

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01:44:34,053 --> 01:44:35,053
Speaker 2: she gets your birthday off?

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01:44:35,093 --> 01:44:36,933
Speaker 3: Because if you get your birthday off, my birthdays on

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01:44:37,013 --> 01:44:39,133
Speaker 3: Boxing Day, that's all. I already get that day off.

2223
01:44:39,173 --> 01:44:39,812
Speaker 9: So what do I get?

2224
01:44:40,133 --> 01:44:42,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should get my birthday off.

2225
01:44:42,133 --> 01:44:45,772
Speaker 23: Then you get birthday presents and Christmas presents.

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01:44:45,812 --> 01:44:47,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get some of that as well. Yeah, yeah,

2227
01:44:47,492 --> 01:44:49,492
Speaker 3: I blame month for that. You got off for another

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01:44:49,492 --> 01:44:50,012
Speaker 3: couple of days.

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01:44:50,013 --> 01:44:53,333
Speaker 2: He's just getting one from me. But Zion, how are you.

2230
01:44:55,053 --> 01:44:55,773
Speaker 19: Hey?

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01:44:56,013 --> 01:44:56,213
Speaker 7: Good?

2232
01:44:57,572 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. Gareth is standing by for your question.

2233
01:45:00,772 --> 01:45:04,532
Speaker 19: Awesome, you got a question. Just recently, one of my

2234
01:45:04,812 --> 01:45:11,293
Speaker 19: colleagues had a disciplinary meeting with their organization. Later on

2235
01:45:11,452 --> 01:45:16,412
Speaker 19: he found out that the manager plus the manager's personnel

2236
01:45:16,532 --> 01:45:21,213
Speaker 19: who was taking notes, which was introduced to him, and

2237
01:45:21,412 --> 01:45:25,613
Speaker 19: then there was a Hiati consultant as well in the background.

2238
01:45:26,013 --> 01:45:28,772
Speaker 19: Wonderful while the discipline the meeting was going on, but

2239
01:45:28,893 --> 01:45:29,732
Speaker 19: it wasn't mentioned.

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01:45:29,973 --> 01:45:30,612
Speaker 7: Is that normal?

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01:45:32,293 --> 01:45:36,253
Speaker 23: No, that's that's not normal. And it certainly raises some

2242
01:45:36,452 --> 01:45:41,772
Speaker 23: red flags. It's not that unusual for someone to join

2243
01:45:41,853 --> 01:45:45,612
Speaker 23: a meeting by teams or on the phone, but that

2244
01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:48,213
Speaker 23: should be disclosed at the beginning of the meeting, and

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01:45:48,812 --> 01:45:53,852
Speaker 23: your colleague he may have grounds to take that further

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01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:55,772
Speaker 23: because that is quite unusual.

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01:45:57,253 --> 01:46:00,213
Speaker 19: Yeah, you only realized that after he went after the

2248
01:46:00,293 --> 01:46:04,452
Speaker 19: call ended that on the team's chat there was four

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01:46:04,532 --> 01:46:06,173
Speaker 19: people instead of three.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, that's and then that's quite unusual.

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01:46:11,253 --> 01:46:11,452
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:46:11,452 --> 01:46:13,412
Speaker 19: And then if I know his person then looked at

2253
01:46:13,412 --> 01:46:16,173
Speaker 19: the profile, it was the HI consultant on there, which

2254
01:46:16,293 --> 01:46:17,293
Speaker 19: wasn't mentioned, okay.

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01:46:17,652 --> 01:46:18,772
Speaker 7: Yeah, And and the.

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01:46:18,812 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 23: Fact that the organization didn't mention it makes you wonder why,

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01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:28,812
Speaker 23: because if there was nothing untoward about it, then they

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01:46:28,853 --> 01:46:31,612
Speaker 23: would have just said, hey, we've got Bob joining from

2259
01:46:32,173 --> 01:46:34,372
Speaker 23: he's giving us some advice and he's on the call

2260
01:46:34,452 --> 01:46:34,812
Speaker 23: as well.

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01:46:35,652 --> 01:46:36,772
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:46:36,772 --> 01:46:39,492
Speaker 19: And now the manager was quite new to the job,

2263
01:46:40,572 --> 01:46:44,213
Speaker 19: and I think that's probably the way she had the

2264
01:46:44,412 --> 01:46:46,852
Speaker 19: HI consultant in the background just mentioned that they're following

2265
01:46:46,853 --> 01:46:47,452
Speaker 19: the right process.

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01:46:47,612 --> 01:46:50,612
Speaker 23: But on the face of it, it's a breach of

2267
01:46:50,692 --> 01:46:51,213
Speaker 23: good faith.

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01:46:51,853 --> 01:46:56,012
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, all the beats with that, Zion. Yeah,

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01:46:56,013 --> 01:46:58,213
Speaker 3: good luck A couple of teas coming through here.

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01:46:58,812 --> 01:47:02,093
Speaker 2: Is there a definition of flexible working? My employer advertised

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01:47:02,093 --> 01:47:04,892
Speaker 2: that they have flexible working, only for people to get

2272
01:47:04,893 --> 01:47:07,652
Speaker 2: a job and realize it isn't flexible at all. Existing

2273
01:47:07,692 --> 01:47:10,772
Speaker 2: stuff agating any flexible work capability has taken off them.

2274
01:47:11,333 --> 01:47:17,012
Speaker 23: Wow, isn't that advertising? Yeah, you know, it's a great workplace,

2275
01:47:17,093 --> 01:47:20,532
Speaker 23: it's got the best culture. There's flexible working. You're not

2276
01:47:20,532 --> 01:47:21,892
Speaker 23: going to have to work too hard and you're going

2277
01:47:21,973 --> 01:47:25,012
Speaker 23: to get paid eats if only.

2278
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:28,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is flexible?

2279
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:34,812
Speaker 23: Yeah? I mean maybe it's a misrepresentation, but it sounds

2280
01:47:34,893 --> 01:47:37,733
Speaker 23: like if if you're not enjoying the level of flexibility,

2281
01:47:37,853 --> 01:47:39,452
Speaker 23: maybe you should be looking for a new job.

2282
01:47:39,933 --> 01:47:40,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:47:40,492 --> 01:47:42,053
Speaker 3: Is that the sort of question you'd ask at the

2284
01:47:42,093 --> 01:47:44,053
Speaker 3: interview stage? I suppose it sees I see you say

2285
01:47:44,133 --> 01:47:46,093
Speaker 3: flexible working. Does that mean four days a week and

2286
01:47:46,173 --> 01:47:47,532
Speaker 3: I can work one day at home? You've got to

2287
01:47:47,532 --> 01:47:48,093
Speaker 3: specify that.

2288
01:47:48,372 --> 01:47:50,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point you have to negotiate it.

2289
01:47:51,372 --> 01:47:51,892
Speaker 23: Yeah, totally.

2290
01:47:52,173 --> 01:47:55,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, this workplace isn't very flexible. I mean I have

2291
01:47:55,692 --> 01:47:57,732
Speaker 2: to be here absolutely twelve to four.

2292
01:47:57,933 --> 01:48:04,253
Speaker 3: You do, there's no flexibility around there? Sounds highly unreasonable, Yeah, Philip,

2293
01:48:04,372 --> 01:48:05,372
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

2294
01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:10,212
Speaker 13: Good afternoon, I think too nice to see the sunshining. Inquiry,

2295
01:48:10,293 --> 01:48:12,932
Speaker 13: if you wouldn't mind. If you've been told and it's

2296
01:48:13,013 --> 01:48:15,973
Speaker 13: in your contract that your payday will be a Tuesday,

2297
01:48:16,213 --> 01:48:19,892
Speaker 13: and if not, it'll be through by Wednesday, and then

2298
01:48:20,293 --> 01:48:24,932
Speaker 13: there's it doesn't happen. How much notice the employer has

2299
01:48:25,013 --> 01:48:29,892
Speaker 13: to give the employee. Please, if there was a change

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01:48:29,973 --> 01:48:31,053
Speaker 13: to payday.

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01:48:31,532 --> 01:48:35,772
Speaker 23: Yeah, I guess there's a difference between the employer changing

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01:48:35,933 --> 01:48:40,092
Speaker 23: the payday from your regular payday to a new regular payday,

2303
01:48:40,612 --> 01:48:43,213
Speaker 23: and in that sort of situation, I would expect them

2304
01:48:43,293 --> 01:48:46,053
Speaker 23: to consult with you so that you can make sure

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01:48:46,133 --> 01:48:48,732
Speaker 23: that you've got enough for whatever outgoings you've.

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01:48:48,612 --> 01:48:52,133
Speaker 27: Got ye out that's the key thing, the outgoings, and

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01:48:52,293 --> 01:48:57,133
Speaker 27: if it's you know, intermittent, so you know, you think

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01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,973
Speaker 27: you're getting paid on this particular day, and then it

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01:49:01,053 --> 01:49:03,013
Speaker 27: might happen for a week and then all of a

2310
01:49:03,093 --> 01:49:07,652
Speaker 27: sudden that goes back out of not getting paid today,

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01:49:07,732 --> 01:49:09,092
Speaker 27: it will be tomorrow.

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01:49:09,692 --> 01:49:11,213
Speaker 10: That's what I'm wanting to look at.

2313
01:49:11,253 --> 01:49:15,372
Speaker 23: That that's not a great situation. And generally when I

2314
01:49:15,532 --> 01:49:18,893
Speaker 23: see things like that happening, I start to question the

2315
01:49:19,013 --> 01:49:24,653
Speaker 23: financial health of the business either either they're very disorganized,

2316
01:49:24,973 --> 01:49:27,652
Speaker 23: which is a red flag, or they don't have enough

2317
01:49:27,772 --> 01:49:32,293
Speaker 23: money to pay you on your regular payday. So you

2318
01:49:32,372 --> 01:49:34,612
Speaker 23: know the first thing you could do is you could

2319
01:49:34,612 --> 01:49:37,532
Speaker 23: actually raise it with your employer and say, this is

2320
01:49:37,853 --> 01:49:42,053
Speaker 23: causing problems for me. I've got outgoings that rely on

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01:49:42,173 --> 01:49:44,572
Speaker 23: me getting paid on my payday.

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01:49:45,253 --> 01:49:48,173
Speaker 10: Which I expect to be paid on that the normal one.

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01:49:48,532 --> 01:49:48,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:49:48,893 --> 01:49:52,492
Speaker 23: Yeah, of course, if this continues to happen, then you

2325
01:49:52,572 --> 01:49:55,732
Speaker 23: may have grounds for a grievance that it's disadvantaging you.

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01:49:57,612 --> 01:49:58,572
Speaker 2: Or the very best of it.

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01:49:58,973 --> 01:50:00,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for your phone call.

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01:50:01,492 --> 01:50:03,293
Speaker 2: Sam, You've got a new manager problem.

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01:50:05,053 --> 01:50:10,732
Speaker 10: Yes, So the a new manager has selected one of

2330
01:50:10,772 --> 01:50:13,372
Speaker 10: the front line staff to cover for him when he

2331
01:50:13,412 --> 01:50:19,133
Speaker 10: goes on leave. Everything was very sudden notice and has

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01:50:19,213 --> 01:50:25,452
Speaker 10: skipped our usual leadership team who usually covers for our manager.

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01:50:25,532 --> 01:50:29,732
Speaker 10: And so it's caused some conflict, I guess, and some

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01:50:30,612 --> 01:50:32,892
Speaker 10: headaches to the frontline staff.

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01:50:34,412 --> 01:50:34,572
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:50:34,612 --> 01:50:39,172
Speaker 10: The selective frontline staff has no management or leadership experience.

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01:50:40,093 --> 01:50:43,492
Speaker 10: It was just based off who knows, But yeah, I

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01:50:43,532 --> 01:50:49,213
Speaker 10: guess the manager okay doing such or is there a

2339
01:50:49,293 --> 01:50:53,532
Speaker 10: way of moving forward? Is a union issue or.

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01:50:55,492 --> 01:50:58,133
Speaker 23: Yeah, if you're a union member, that's definitely something you

2341
01:50:58,293 --> 01:51:01,692
Speaker 23: could raise with the union. This is one of those

2342
01:51:01,732 --> 01:51:06,052
Speaker 23: situations where you need to be very careful about raising

2343
01:51:06,093 --> 01:51:09,772
Speaker 23: your head above the powa pet because if you object

2344
01:51:09,893 --> 01:51:15,372
Speaker 23: to this and your new manager is well liked by

2345
01:51:15,572 --> 01:51:19,133
Speaker 23: the organization and the people above him, you want to

2346
01:51:19,173 --> 01:51:21,213
Speaker 23: make sure that you don't end up being the person

2347
01:51:21,253 --> 01:51:24,612
Speaker 23: and the cross he is. I'd raise it with the union,

2348
01:51:25,412 --> 01:51:29,092
Speaker 23: see if there's been a change to the normal process

2349
01:51:29,253 --> 01:51:32,732
Speaker 23: when a manager goes on leave, and see if they

2350
01:51:32,812 --> 01:51:36,012
Speaker 23: can raise it on your behalf without your name being mentioned.

2351
01:51:37,333 --> 01:51:41,012
Speaker 23: That's a way of providing you with a degree of protection.

2352
01:51:42,612 --> 01:51:44,452
Speaker 10: Yeah, awesome, Thank you so much.

2353
01:51:45,572 --> 01:51:48,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. A couple of techs coming

2354
01:51:48,492 --> 01:51:53,572
Speaker 3: through here, Gareth. Hi, guys, oh man, I just lost it.

2355
01:51:53,612 --> 01:51:54,932
Speaker 3: There's so many teachs coming through.

2356
01:51:55,333 --> 01:51:57,013
Speaker 2: How do you deal with this one there? How do

2357
01:51:57,093 --> 01:52:00,253
Speaker 2: you deal with a toxic project manager and staff member

2358
01:52:00,372 --> 01:52:04,652
Speaker 2: toxic behavior and micro management has been escalated multiple times

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Speaker 2: by multiple people, yet they are still there and the

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Speaker 2: project manager is now a portfolio manager. That's a question

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Speaker 2: from Peter.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I think in a situation like that, you're

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Speaker 23: getting a message that despite raising concerns the organization values

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Speaker 23: that person and keeps promoting them, it might be time

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Speaker 23: to start looking for a new job. You could certainly

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Speaker 23: raise acclaim, raise a grievance, but I don't like the

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Speaker 23: way the wind is blowing there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's always risky when you raise a grievance with people

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Speaker 2: above you, because they're normally friends with the other people

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Speaker 23: That's right, So you might be h.

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Speaker 3: You need to pick your battle. Yeah, yeah, be very careful. Gareth,

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Speaker 3: fantastic as always. We've got a whole bunch of ticks

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Speaker 3: that we'll have to get to next time. But thank

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Speaker 3: you very much and we will catch you in in

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Speaker 3: about a month.

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Speaker 23: Sounds good, Thanks guys, go well.

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Speaker 3: the segment is general in nature and is not legal advice.

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Speaker 3: We've had so many texts come through for Gareth, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah what about this text? Yeah, Gareth is fantastic, but

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Speaker 2: he not a weekly gig. He's very fantastic, isn't he?

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