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Speaker 1: So the fisheries industry getting a shake up. We're at

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Speaker 1: the feedback stage on everything from catch limits to onboard

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Speaker 1: camera transparency. Shane Jones of course driving this even very

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Speaker 1: vocal about the unnecessary regulations which impede productivity and potential.

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Speaker 1: Sea Lord CEO Doug Pauland's with us, Doug morning, did

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Speaker 1: I make you're getting basically what you want? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's a good start to the changes

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Speaker 2: the industry have been requesting for a reasonable period of

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Speaker 2: time and what we're seeing as an acknowledgment that fishing

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Speaker 2: is in a much different place, particularly over the last

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Speaker 2: five years, as technology has increased significantly, and now that

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Speaker 2: we've got digital reporting, we've got vessel locators going into

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Speaker 2: MPLA daily, and we've seen the introduction of cameras to

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Speaker 2: many of the fishing vessels. It's become a very striking

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Speaker 2: call to say the regulations are no longer fit for purpose.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's been It's a very good start.

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Speaker 1: Seven and a half million year company pays the Ministry

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Speaker 1: of Primary Industries. What do you get for that?

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Speaker 2: We get a lot of oversight, We yet comply science.

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Speaker 2: We pay for our own policing by the Ministry of

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Speaker 2: Fisheries and Ministry of Primary Industries. We get science for that,

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Speaker 2: which is great. We do also pay towards the Department

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Speaker 2: of Conservation, which is great to see. Sometimes we don't

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Speaker 2: get a lot important to where that money goes. So

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Speaker 2: that's something we're looking for change moving forward. So look,

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Speaker 2: I think there's room for that number to come down personally,

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Speaker 2: because what's happened is the number has gone up and

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Speaker 2: up and up to the point it's very difficult to

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Speaker 2: make returns out of fishing.

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Speaker 1: I noticed I was looking at Jones and TikTok and

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Speaker 1: cameras and stuff like that. How much of this reformers

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Speaker 1: about cameras on board and TikTok and going to the court,

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Speaker 1: And how much there's media stuff there is the cameras

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Speaker 1: the headline stuff or is that.

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Speaker 2: A major not really? Look, I think the cameras are

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Speaker 2: a bit of a distraction in reality, the cameras and Look,

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Speaker 2: Shane's acknowledged that his personal view is different to what's

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Speaker 2: been decided by cabinet. It's different to what even some

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Speaker 2: industry players believe and look for here to stay. What

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Speaker 2: we're seeing now is we're seeing an acknowledgment that it's

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Speaker 2: not right for the public to say, well, we want

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Speaker 2: the right to look at people in their workplaces. It's

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Speaker 2: like saying, will I go to an office every day

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Speaker 2: if there was a camera behind me watching me on

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Speaker 2: my computer, and then any man and his dog could

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Speaker 2: request that footage and see what I'm doing. I don't

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Speaker 2: think generally if the public understood that's what's happening, they'd

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Speaker 2: be very happy. I like the read and see everything

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Speaker 2: they want.

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Speaker 1: Sure correct me if I'm wrong. I liking you guys

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Speaker 1: to farmers. You don't get up in the morning, and

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Speaker 1: this is catch limits and all that stuff. You guys

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Speaker 1: don't get up in the morning to ruin your business,

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Speaker 1: do you. Therefore, of course, not exactly. But so what

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Speaker 1: we've had is a system whereby we think you are

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Speaker 1: all criminals and we'll need to monitor you and keep

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Speaker 1: you in line and all of that stuff. And all

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Speaker 1: that's happening here is a bit of ideological change, and

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Speaker 1: you can get on with life and get on with business.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you. Don't appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: Doug pauland who is the Sea Lords CEO?

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