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Speaker 1: The Diggins, What Woollo and the drunkin sailor? What Woolly

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Speaker 1: and the drunken sailor? What woman in an oakin sailor

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Speaker 1: lay in them? Born and not alive? In question obviously,

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Speaker 1: but the Chief of Navy has ordered his sailors to

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Speaker 1: stop drinking so much after a numerous number of incidents

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Speaker 1: that were very embarrassing both here in New Zealand and overseas,

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Speaker 1: and violence and sexual abuse and all sorts of things

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Speaker 1: or because of the evil drink. Defense Minister Judith Collins

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Speaker 1: has been briefed on a number of these incidents. So

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Speaker 1: Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral Garren Golding has put out

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Speaker 1: a directive saying that alcohol consumption must be at levels

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Speaker 1: allowing the Navy to maintain its effectiveness, readiness and reputation.

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Speaker 1: He did this directive, it has been obtained by the Herald.

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Speaker 1: We have reported on this. We asked Garon, the Rear Admiral,

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Speaker 1: to come on and to talk about this, but he

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Speaker 1: was not prepared to talk about this, nor was many

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Speaker 1: people prepared to talk about this, and we don't know why,

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Speaker 1: but one person prepared to talk about it, as former

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Speaker 1: Defense Minister Wayne Mapp who joins he now Hallowayan Andrew.

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Speaker 1: When you end out with a rear admiral basically ordering

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Speaker 1: a stop to drinking, you've got to say that things

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Speaker 1: have gotten pretty dysfunctional and they haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: handle the problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a changing times. I mean just salis and drinking.

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Speaker 2: Who have ever guessed? But the environment today is different

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Speaker 2: on all sorts of issues, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: lead to it. You know, for young people, drinking has

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Speaker 2: been reduced, but they're still extremes. And then we'll send

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Speaker 2: it with the Navy.

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Speaker 1: So where the directive like this rein it in. Will

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Speaker 1: there be harsher consequences for people actually involved who get drunk?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is he saying, He's just ordering don't

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Speaker 1: get drunk? Is that really effective?

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Speaker 2: Oh, there will be harsher consequences. I think that kind

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Speaker 2: of sets up the platform for precisely that I mean

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Speaker 2: said expectations to change things that were okay two decades

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Speaker 2: ago Kucketic when I was minister, I used to complain

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Speaker 2: to the Chief of Defense Pry that cracky deck. What

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Speaker 2: are these all these people getting into trouble for? He said, well,

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Speaker 2: there's twelve thousand people in a Defense Force a bit

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Speaker 2: of a microcosm of New Zealand, and there's some truth

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Speaker 2: in that. But you know, the environment in New Zealanders changing,

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Speaker 2: expectations are changing, and Admiral is the Admiral is very

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Speaker 2: much aware of it.

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Speaker 1: So we've got this directive which says, you know, ty

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Speaker 1: hoe on the drinking. That's all well and good, but

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Speaker 1: of course the Defense Force are currently restructuring staff as

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Speaker 1: part of the government's war on public spending, and there

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Speaker 1: have been concerns that many of their services might get cut.

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Speaker 1: There have been concerns in the media about SAPRAA, which

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Speaker 1: is the Sexual Assault Prevention Response Advisor within the Defense Force,

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Speaker 1: having a cut and funding. The question is, rather than

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Speaker 1: doing an order, shouldn't we in fact be increasing basically

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Speaker 1: response agencies within the Defense Force to deal with the

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Speaker 1: problem and a basic level right at where it starts, well, the.

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Speaker 2: First step, and that is in fact the order. I

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Speaker 2: think they will be doing a lot more of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean changing expectations, giving briefings, giving counseling, getting the

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Speaker 2: things done that actually reduces these problems. I imagine the

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Speaker 2: issue is really about people in uniform, which really embarrasses

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Speaker 2: an AVA thing. Oh, the Defense Force generally, the things

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Speaker 2: go awry, and he's doing the right thing. He's setting

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Speaker 2: up expectations, and I would anticipate there will be some

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Speaker 2: changes just there as there is in general society.

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Speaker 1: Wayne. I thank you for your time today, Former Defense

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