1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Yoda. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a summer special of 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: the Front Page, The Enzid Herald's daily news podcast. While 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: the Front Page is on summer break, we're taking a 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: look back at some of the biggest news stories and 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: top rated episodes from the podcast in twenty twenty four. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: New episodes will return on January thirteenth. Kiwis have left 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: New Zealand in record numbers this year. News reports covering 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: monthly migration data have repeatedly announced new records of net 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: migration loss, with the latest stats from the year to 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: September showing seventy nine thousand, seven hundred migrant departures. Just 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: over half of those leaving the country moved to Australia, 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: while the law of the traditional uk oe is it's 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: still taking people to London, but is moving overseas going 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: to make your life less expensive? In July, Enzet Herald 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: reporter Ben Lay joined us after crunching the numbers to 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: see if the grass is really that greener on the 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: other side, Ben, let's get some figures on the table 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: up front when it comes to New Zealand. What are 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: the general averages when it comes to save house prices. 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the zed national price according to property analysts 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: core Logic is nine hundred and thirty one four hundred 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: and thirty eight dollars. 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: And what about your weekly rentals and the typical salary 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: I guess and householding comes. 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the national rent at the moment is five hundred 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: and seventy three dollars according to core Logic. Again, and 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: salaries can be measured in different ways. So in one story, 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: we measured the household incomes and the ENDZ national household 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: income is one hundred and two thousand dollars six hundred 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: and ninety. We did that with the inflation calculator, So 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: we took a twenty twenty one figure and we added 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: salary inflation onto it to come up with that. 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: And we're talking about these because so many kiwis are 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: flocking overseas, right, how many people are actually moving to, 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: say the UK or Australia. 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: Sure, So, Stats and Z just released new figures this 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 3: week and the sort of backdated figures they're a bit older, 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: but it was for twenty twenty three and they found 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: that twenty seven thousand more kiwis went to Australia. 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: Then came back the other way. 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: Now that is a lot, and between twenty fourteen and 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen we only had about three thousand more kiwis 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: going across the Tasman But before that, thirty thousand people 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: per year was about the average for the five years 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: back before twenty fourteen, so it's not record highs, but 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: it's definitely big. 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Well, the numbers are beginning to trend up because what 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: was interesting during COVID was we had a net gain 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: from Australia and that's very unusual in their history. So 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: for most years in the last thirty years, we've seen 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: a net loss. So we're going back to what has 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: been an historical hatter. 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: So let's go through both Australia and the UK topic 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: by topic. How do house prices compare for people looking 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: to really settle down in either country? 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 5: Yeah? 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: Sure, Well, let's put it in simple terms. London is 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: the most expensive, so it's almost say a beast onto 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: itself if the house prices is just way in excess 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: of Australia and New Zealand cities pretty much because it's 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: like a world city Rome. But when you take that 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: out of the picture, I'm sorry to say, but New 64 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: Zealand house prices are clearly the next highest, which is 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: it's hard to sort of. 66 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: Stomach, isn't it. 67 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: But then beyond that, maybe then you've got Australian house 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: prices and then the UK excluding London for those. 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Younger kiwi's, maybe those looking to do an OWI for 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: a few years or a couple of years, how does 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: the rental market compare. 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so once again kiwis heading to London. 73 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: Rental prices are really expensive in London compared to Australia 74 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: and New Zealand. So just for insane since London's typical 75 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: weekly rent is one thousand dollars in the latest figures 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 3: that we had, and you know, by comparison, Auckland's about 77 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: six hundred and thirty six, So when you take London 78 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: out of the picture, then it's actually fairly even the 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: prices between all three countries. 80 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a bit of a mix. 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: But Australia may be a little bit more expensive than 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: New Zealand and the UK toranting. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: And the UK gets cheaper the further out you get 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: from those big cities. Hey, much like New Zealand. 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, if you pretty much head north out of London, 86 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: it starts to get cheaper, especially places like Sheffield, Liverpool 87 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: and Leeds. 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot cheaper than in London. 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: And we all know anecdotally that the big draw card 90 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: for going overseas is for the biggest salaries. 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: Do the stats. 92 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: Actually support that definitely in the case of Australia, Yeah, 93 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: I think in one of the stories where we compared 94 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: New Zealand household income compared to the Australian states, and 95 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: it's pretty much below most of the Australian states. So 96 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: if you take the Australian Capital Territory, we worked out 97 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: that the household income there was one hundred and forty 98 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: four thousand dollars per year and by comparison, New Zealand's 99 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: was one hundred thousand dollars per year. 100 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 6: Will the under twenties are eight percent better off in 101 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 6: New Zealand. At every other age group the difference grows 102 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: to about twenty percent in the favor of Australia. Adding 103 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 6: fuel to the fire, Let's also consider that Australian employers 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 6: at eleven percent of super on top of these wages, well, 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 6: in New Zealand we get a poultry three percent clearly 106 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 6: with the best available data from both countries governments. Australia 107 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 6: has more money to offer kiwis of all age groups. 108 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: Just anecdotally, There's one person we spoke to was a 109 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: maths teacher. So he went from Hamilton across to Melbourne 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: in Victoria and his salary jumps thirty one thousand dollars 111 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: just by catching the flight basically, so he was a 112 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: fourth year maths teacher. He's getting paid seventy thousand dollars 113 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: in Hamilton. Then when he went to Victoria, he's salary 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: jumped up to ninety one thousand dollar plus superneration which 115 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: took it to one hundred. 116 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: And one thousand dollars in total. 117 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: And then when you look at some of the police 118 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: campaigns that have been going on. Last year, the Northern 119 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: Territory Police launched a very high profile campaign to get 120 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: KIWI cops. It was to live in more remote parts 121 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: of the Northern Territory, but yeah, it was still up 122 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: to sixty thousand dollars higher than some police salaries here 123 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. And just in terms of who might 124 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: be going, police are actively recruiting, especially people in like 125 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: healthcare doctors, nurses and even just on the weekend, I 126 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: was speaking to a police officer who is from South 127 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: Auckland and he just said that he thought there was 128 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: up to eighty police from South Auckland that had headed 129 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: over to Australia in the last six months he migrated 130 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: from India. At some stage he's got a new baby 131 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: with his newly married wife, or he's expecting he's one 132 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: month off having his new baby. So you can imagine 133 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: the sort of pressures on someone like that when house 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: prices are so high in Auckland about why it might 135 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: be attractive to go across the Tasman. 136 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: Now is actually a pretty good time to bring up 137 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: the fact that you will be able to tell from 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: my accent, maybe not from yours, Ben, but we are 139 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: both Australian and you know the irony is not lost 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: on us for us too speaking about this topic. 141 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 4: A Yeah, that's right. 142 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: And you know, I feel like, having done a few 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 3: of these stories now that maybe Victoria Police Orthern Territory 144 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: Police should be paying me a little bit of commission 145 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: for all these people we're helping sand across the Tasman. Right, 146 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: We're here making the sacrifices on lower salaries just to 147 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: boost Australia with all these talented Kiwis. 148 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: We just love our job so much, that's all. When 149 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: we love New Zealand so much. 150 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: The UK, it's perhaps surprising to see that the opportunity 151 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: for huge incomes isn't as glorious as it may seem. 152 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: What if people you've spoken to said about the lifestyle 153 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: and cost of living there. 154 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. 155 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, in the stories for both moving to Australia 156 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 3: and the UK, we actually talked to the people running 157 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: those Facebook groups that help people move. So Kiwi's moving 158 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: to Victoria and kiwis in London, and so the guy 159 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: who's running Kiwi's in London, he was saying it's great 160 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: for certain skills, you know, like trade's. He called it 161 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: actually a paradise for trades in the UK at the moment. 162 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: Nanny's sort of tried and true job for kiwis moving 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: across to the UK, and he said there's great money 164 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: to do live in workers a nanny. Other jobs not 165 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: so easy if you're looking to be a receptionist or administrator. 166 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: He said, there's lots of competition. You know, in Auckland 167 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: you might face you know a couple of thousand people 168 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: looking for the same job. 169 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: It can be millions in London. 170 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: On the other side of it, you know, there's always 171 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: professionals that go to London and it's like a magnetic 172 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: lure for them. They're going there for big salaries already, 173 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: you know, they're highly trained and they can progress their careers. 174 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: We talked to one couple. They're called Danny and Lee 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: mackenzie and they've been living in roode Rud. Danielle's a 176 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: librarian and Lee's a musician and when COVID sort of 177 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: dried up the musical opportunities for Lee in Rhodorud, that 178 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: together with the cost of leaving pressures and the fact 179 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: that Lee has a British citizenship encouraged them just to 180 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: go and try their luck over there. So they've moved 181 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: over to Sheffield in the sort of mid northwest of 182 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: the UK and they're getting on great. Like Dannie al 183 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: was saying, there's just not much opportunity to progress as 184 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: the library here because there's not many libraries. And when 185 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: she got there, she's now in charge of three out 186 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: of fifteen libraries in her local district. 187 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: She's close to. 188 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: Famous libraries and Lee is singing at beer festivals and 189 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: in the pub scene, and yeah, they're both thriving, and 190 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: they're on salaries equal or better to New Zealand and 191 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: cheaper rent. 192 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: What are the supermarket and fuel prices like in both 193 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Australia and the UK. We've got to give these kids 194 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: moving to London some relief. 195 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you move to London then that's 196 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: definitely your favorite. The supermarkets are a lot cheaper from 197 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: what we've seen in what people say an acdotally, one 198 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: person who just moved from the Herald across the London 199 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: was saying Kiwi fruit is cheaper in London and dairy is, 200 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: which is sort of hard to understand. Dairy in particular 201 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: can be three quarters or even half the price in 202 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: the UK to hear. Australia is also we found was 203 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: also a bit cheaper countdown compared to all words, but 204 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: the costs less pronounced. And then when it comes to petrol, 205 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: Australia is the cheapest and z comes in next, and 206 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: then the UK I think feeling sort of geopolitical pressures, 207 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: having a bit of a fuel crisis with gas prices 208 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: going up. 209 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: Petrol hitting an average of one hundred and fifty point 210 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 5: one pence a liter, that's the highest it's been since November, 211 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: and diesel hitting one hundred and fifty eight point three 212 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 5: pence a liter. Why the spike. 213 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 4: Well, when we woke. 214 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 5: Up to news of those missiles in Iran on Friday, 215 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 5: the price of oil sword temporarily and despite that settling, 216 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 5: we are feeling those echoes at the pumps, combined with 217 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 5: a weeker pound compared to the dollar. 218 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,359 Speaker 3: And then just anecdotally some of the things about Australia. 219 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 3: There has been some mention about childcare being more expensive. 220 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: Kiwis in Australia don't have access to as much services 221 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: as Australians in New Zealand do, so that's some of 222 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: the sort of hidden challenges when you move over there. 223 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: And I've seen some comments under your articles with people 224 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: talking about taxes, fees and the like. Are there any 225 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: hidden costs that came up in your research in either country? 226 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, taxes is important, but we didn't look into it 227 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: too closely for these stories, so I can't really say 228 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 3: too much about that. 229 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 4: Hidden costs. 230 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: Like I mentioned earlier, childcare is one that just came 231 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 3: up a lot in Australia. 232 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: UK sort of petrol prices. 233 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: Actually, I should say in Australia, buying a car is 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: something that comes up a lot. So while the petrol 235 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: might be cheaper, most people talked about buying a car 236 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: as being quite a lot more expensive. 237 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: When you look at the numbers like this, it does 238 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: seem like, particularly in Australia, there are some slightly better 239 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: opportunities over there. Would you agree And do you think 240 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: the New Zealand government needs to do anything to address 241 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: this to try and kind of stop people flocking overseas 242 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: for greener pastures. 243 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough one. I mean, the key one 244 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: is salaries. 245 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: Everyone I spoke to almost that went to Australia is 246 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: just talking about salaries. 247 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 4: They just tend to be so much higher. 248 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: And when you take the higher salary and compare it 249 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 3: to house prices, it just makes a really tough pressure 250 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: on locals here, especially in Auckland and other major cities 251 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. So it's difficult for the government to 252 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: improve those things. As a property reporter, I almost argue 253 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: that government has very little impact over the housing markets, 254 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: so it's difficult for them to do anything substantial to 255 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: bring down house prices In terms of salaries. Often it 256 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: goes back to sort of productivity and opportunities, doesn't it. 257 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: So I guess I really feel that if the government 258 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: can focus on things to help productivity, more job opportunities, 259 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: boost salaries, anything they can do to im roofhouse prices, 260 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: and probably more importantly, a lot of things around infrastructure 261 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: and just daily life, you know, so that people enjoy 262 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: living here and don't feel the pressures of the costs 263 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: as much because they're enjoying a really nice life. 264 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on moving back to Ossie. 265 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: I've married someone who is on the path to New 266 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: Zealand citizenship, which he's just achieved, so we're not sure yet. 267 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: That was sort of the main plan was to stick 268 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: around for her citizenship, and I guess we'll be here 269 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: for a while yet and after that not sure, but 270 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: it's always a pull back for your own family and 271 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 3: maybe the sunshine a bit warmer. 272 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: But you're from Melbourne, aren't you. Yeah, yeah, that's a 273 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 4: bit of a stretch. Yeah, that is a little bit 274 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 4: of a Thanks for joining us, Ben, Thank you, Chelsea. 275 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 276 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 277 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: at enzed Herald dot co dot nzages produced by Ethan 278 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: Siles with sound engineer Patty Fox. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe 279 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: to the front page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get 280 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: your podcasts, and tune in tomorrow for another look behind 281 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: the headlines.