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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast Number Get this one, Betty who.

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Speaker 2: Some moments like these that you realize, you know. I

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Speaker 2: remember we did our first show and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 2: that's quite intimidating doing a show news talks here, but

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Speaker 2: I've never done that before. And all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: We're up to one hundred and fifty of the buggers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like yesterday we had a hundie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whoo whoo. So when do we next celebrate five hundy?

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Speaker 2: Five hundred is the next I was going to say,

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Speaker 2: two ndy, how are we going to celebrate one fundy?

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Speaker 3: We're gonna bring some champagne? And what are you drinking?

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Speaker 2: M what's too late now to bring some champagne? And

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Speaker 2: it's happening right now.

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Speaker 3: We've met yea, we should think about these things.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred, we'll have a big celebration. We'll have a

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Speaker 2: free giveaway of something to fine listeners. Great chat. We

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Speaker 2: went we went heavy with Iran. Iran. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: want to call it Iran. It's funny that because it's

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Speaker 2: got it starts with an ib. Words that start with

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Speaker 2: an eye. You don't normally just say aye yeah, but

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Speaker 2: for some reason, I say Iran, it's Iran.

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Speaker 3: I stumbled on that a lot. I had to create

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Speaker 2: Luckily we've got text machine. I'm nine two to abuse

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Speaker 2: a little living shit out of us if we get

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Speaker 2: anything wrong. So that was That was a great chat,

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Speaker 2: a deep chat. I'm not sure if we got any

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Speaker 2: feeling about that whole situation. Then we put the boot

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Speaker 2: into regional councils and then a fantastic chat at the

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Speaker 2: end that I thought was some real deep insights. It

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Speaker 2: was like the confessions of Uber Eats drivers. Yeah. When

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Speaker 2: I was younger, there used to be things called the

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Speaker 2: Confessions of a plumber, Confessions of a window cleaner, movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Confessions of the taxi drivers. That was a great show.

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Speaker 3: There was a show on Telly, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that we get the confessions of Uber Eats

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Speaker 2: delivery people.

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Speaker 3: You're scandalous to.

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Speaker 2: End the show. So, Tyler, you've got some stuff you

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Speaker 3: The very good afternoon to you. Welcome and to Monday show.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company has always hope you had

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Speaker 3: a fantastic long weekend.

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Speaker 2: Get a Mets, get a Tyler, get everyone thinks so

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Speaker 2: much for tuning into our show. I'm excited about the

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Speaker 2: next three hours of radio. We've got some good staff

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Speaker 2: after a long weekend. And I'll tell you what. I

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Speaker 2: scented my entire weekend around two sporting events that didn't

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Speaker 2: go my way, and I'm quite emotional about it. You are,

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Speaker 2: and I bet heavily. I made the most reprehensible bit

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Speaker 2: on two yellow cards in the final, one for each team.

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Speaker 3: I can't read out some of the ticks that Met

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Speaker 3: was sending through on Saturday night, but you did talk

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Speaker 2: You've got to say it's redemption time for the Easter

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Speaker 2: just because you'd had this incredible legacy of the Crusaders

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Speaker 2: pointing fingers out him. Tell you what he is, redeemed.

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Speaker 3: He Absolutely, he won't have to buy a drink for

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Speaker 2: It was nice of you, But I was an emotional

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Speaker 2: Les's just then, you know, it takes a big man

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Speaker 3: Well done, mate, well done. Yeah, yeah, that's all we

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Speaker 2: So you can find our podcasts of that wherever you

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of other ones in there, for the

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZV podcast. But that went global.

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Speaker 2: Our podcast blew up because strangely, no one had taken

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Speaker 2: on Reddit globally. So you know, we've been in business

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Speaker 2: for about six months the show Tyler, so it's good

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Speaker 3: More of that, But as Mets and Matt says, you

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Speaker 3: but just google Matt and Tyler Afternoons and Rob McCullum.

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Speaker 3: It is there and well worth a listen if we do,

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Speaker 3: I say so ourselves. On to today's show after three

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Speaker 3: o'clock popping to the supermarket for milk and bread. It's

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Speaker 3: US says that there strikes devastated Iran's nuclear program and

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Speaker 2: Are you terrified and you think this is the beginning

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Speaker 3: Ye to get your views. It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 3: Be sixteen past one. So the US has moved to

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Speaker 3: strike at Iran's Neutulla complexes. Three sites were destroyed, according

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Speaker 3: the weekend. It is a slight escalation and the tensions

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Speaker 3: Are you worried about what may happen in that region

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Speaker 2: This Texas says Iran are warmongering scumbags. This Southern Texas

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Speaker 2: says ninety percent of the uranium was enriched, sixty percent

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Speaker 2: the election. That's from Glenn Dallas. Welcome to show your

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Speaker 6: Now, Matt, I know you're a bit of philosopher, So

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Speaker 6: strikes are okay? Now Putin would agree with that. Peace

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Speaker 7: Might is right.

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Speaker 6: Putin would agree with that. So I can't see this

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Speaker 2: So do you think the world would be okay? So

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Speaker 2: if Iran has nuclear weapons and it has just just

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not happy with Israel, Harry than either or

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Speaker 6: anyone you know. But where's the truth. It's just like

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Speaker 3: It's like old Yeah, where's the truth? Well, I just

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Speaker 3: And why would you bury centrifuge's three hundred meters below

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Speaker 6: So how come their their own security came out and

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Speaker 2: Well that was in March, though, so things can change

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Speaker 8: I mean, look to.

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Speaker 6: The say, guys, if I went walk into a pub

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Speaker 2: I guess My problem with Iran is Iran is that

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Speaker 6: And America is the religious, got maga religious thing going on,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you look at what Iran has done

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Speaker 6: Look, they are nasty buns, that's that's for sure, but

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Speaker 6: One last thing, Matt which is the only country which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sometimes I think about that and it just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting it undred and eighty ten eighty. Really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and further to what Dallas said before, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, beg very shortly. It is twenty two

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast christa luxe as whether as we run, how worried

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Speaker 10: It is worrying. We We really need to see diplomacy

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Speaker 10: Well, again, we are What we want to see in

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Speaker 10: We don't want to see Israel occupying Gaza. We don't

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. We are talking about tensions in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East, US with their targeted strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities.

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Speaker 3: So some news just to hand. According to NBC, run

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Speaker 3: delivered a message to Trump at the G seven summit

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Speaker 3: Iran's four to zero nuclear enrichment sites show the extensive

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Speaker 2: Wonder how they seem to communicator Trump then someone slip

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Speaker 2: Well, he gapped it, didn't he? He certainly get it at home. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: If it is true, it's at an element to thee

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Speaker 2: So to try and push the hand like that, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely it is. Wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: Guys. Don't forget that Iran is mates with Russia, and

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Speaker 2: Russia has plenty of nuclear bombs. Maybe they have them

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Speaker 2: And this one said the US has been aggressive too

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Speaker 12: Show, Haughnon gents, Yeah, not too worried. We've been here

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Speaker 12: before a couple of times on different fronts. The Israeli's

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Speaker 2: So do you believe Tom that Iran's UK capabilities to

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Speaker 12: Well, if they haven't been destroyed, they've been severely damaged.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, hoodies have been supported by the Iranians. They they've

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Speaker 2: There are you worried about it? Because we talk about

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Speaker 12: you've got ways and means you can counter it through

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Speaker 12: financial Look I don't mean to be so, but what

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Speaker 12: do you do? Run run scared from a bully? Or

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Speaker 12: do you confront it? They'll always like he's saying they

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Speaker 12: will get sleeper cells out. We're all going to be scared.

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Speaker 12: That's what they want us to be. And if you're soft,

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Speaker 12: you will. But sometimes the you'll put your big boy

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Speaker 12: pens on.

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Speaker 3: Tom.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to people that would say that

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Speaker 2: it is the US and Israel that are being the bullies?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 12: Okay, So the US, they haven't been marvelous than weapons

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Speaker 12: of mass destruction. I won't ever forgive Bush for that.

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Speaker 12: And Tony Blair that was disgraceful what they did going

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Speaker 12: into the into the lands where they did, and that

452
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Speaker 12: was an absolute fabrication. As I say, I go back

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Speaker 12: to Trump's last term and that's all I can base

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Speaker 12: it off. And it was pretty There was no wars started,

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Speaker 12: there was they were pulling out and I look at

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Speaker 12: the guy that was there between him in this last

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Speaker 12: in this term, a fair bit kicked off with and

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Speaker 12: that's been soft. As for Israel, they get on my nerves,

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Speaker 12: they really do. But this should this should settle them down,

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Speaker 12: because now that's been taken out, the Americans can say,

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Speaker 12: now you get back in your box and behave yourselves.

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Speaker 12: There's no need for any more.

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Speaker 7: With that's three.

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Speaker 12: So have we Have we seen the reigning of I

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Speaker 12: don't know that, no one. They're only talking about this.

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Speaker 12: Have we seen the missiles been rained down on Tarviv

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Speaker 12: and Tehran? Now, I think that stopped almost in the

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Speaker 12: last couple of days since this went down. Yeah, am

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Speaker 12: I treatd and saying that I believe?

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Speaker 3: So, I mean following the US strike story more closely

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Speaker 3: than the Israel versus Iran.

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Speaker 2: Well, but the big problem with that is the disparity

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Speaker 2: in cost of protecting Israel and the cost of firing

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Speaker 2: those ballistics in there. Not very different costs. But a

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Speaker 2: think he muster for you call Tom? Yeah, so you

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Speaker 2: agree with Tom? Or do you disagree with Tom?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: A headlines with Wendy coming up, it is twenty seven

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 2: Hus talks.

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Speaker 14: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. There's no trouble

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Speaker 14: with a blue bubble. Iran's foreign minister is meeting Russia's

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Speaker 14: press in the wake of US strikes on three Iranian

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Speaker 14: nuclear sites. Iran his promised retribution, but the US says

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Speaker 14: not acting would have been dangerous. In New Zealand says

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Speaker 14: it's not yet facing flight interruptions, but will contact affected

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Speaker 14: customers if the conflict causes global cancelations. All Blacks and

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Speaker 14: Blues winger Caleb Clark has been discharged without conviction for

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Speaker 14: dangerous driving the fleeing police at speed on his motorbike

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Speaker 14: last year. It came minutes after he was named in

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Speaker 14: this year's first all Black squad. The Prime Minister says

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Speaker 14: New Zealand's a natural link between major economic powerhouses, with

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Speaker 14: two twice weekly flights announced from China to South America

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Speaker 14: via Auckland. An Auckland murder trials been called off the

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Speaker 14: day it was scheduled to begin, with accused Lorenzo Tangeda

497
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Speaker 14: pleading guilty to killing security guard Ramadeep Singh. In December

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty three, the former fishing company director has been

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Speaker 14: jailed for sixteen months for illegal fishing by his company,

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Speaker 14: obstructing fishery officer, and acc scrutinized over slow payouts after

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Speaker 14: landmark court ruling. Seymore at enz Herold Premium. Now back

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Speaker 14: to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: US targeted strikes over the weekend on Iran's nuclear facilities.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel safer in the world after what happened

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Speaker 3: in the weekend, or do you think it could escalate

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Speaker 3: those tensions in the Middle East. Oh, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: We know the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp

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Speaker 2: said not so long ago, we will fight them on

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Speaker 2: a global level, plans to order to say, boy boy,

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Speaker 2: I've lost this. Oh that's right, we will break America

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Speaker 2: and we will cleanse the palate the planet. And of

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Speaker 2: course the Supreme Leader has said a number of times

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Speaker 2: death to America, So their side is pretty clear how

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Speaker 2: they feel about what's going on here. Russia and China

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Speaker 2: won't get involved. Russia doesn't have the capacity, and China

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Speaker 2: is quite happy to sit on the sidelines and watch

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Speaker 2: the idiots destroy themselves. But that's part of the wider

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Speaker 2: thing that could happen. So if America is completely distracted

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Speaker 2: dealing with a convolute ass situation in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: is that when China goes all right, let's have a

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Speaker 2: go at Taiwan. Yeah, I mean, this whole thing can

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Speaker 2: spread out globally in a terrifying manner exactly.

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Speaker 3: And speaking about the Supreme Leader, Kamane. It was five

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Speaker 3: years ago that he did say Israel, and this is

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Speaker 3: a direct quote, was a cancerous tumor to be destroyed.

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Speaker 3: So whether Iran or the Supreme Leader or that regime

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Speaker 3: is an organization and a government you want with nuclear weapons, well,

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you. On Oh one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Eighty, Tony says, I'm absolutely no Trump fan, but totally

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Speaker 2: agree with what he said. A small escalation now has

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Speaker 2: prevented a much bigger one later. If Iran had a nuke,

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Speaker 2: they would use it. And I think there's something in

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Speaker 2: that because the mutually assured destruction thing doesn't really apply

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Speaker 2: to a regime that glorifies martyrdom because from one perspective,

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Speaker 2: they welcome death in the service of faith. So if

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Speaker 2: someone that thinks like that outside of the normal, like

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Speaker 2: for example, Putin attacking Ukraine, right, he still wants to

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Speaker 2: live a life, He still wants to be alive, He

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Speaker 2: still wants to live in his palace and hang out

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Speaker 2: with his girlfriend. Yeah, that's what Putin wants to do.

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Speaker 2: But it's a bit different for the regime that that

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Speaker 2: currently runs Iran. I mean, martyrdom is a real thing

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 3: That's the scary part, right is I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of that regime they answer to God, not the human race,

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Speaker 3: and that's what makes it terrifying for a lot of

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Speaker 3: people out there on analysts if they ever were to

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Speaker 3: get weapons gray uranium.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Roger.

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Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Martin Tyler. How are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Roger, thanks for calling.

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Speaker 15: All right, now, I'm going to give you a different

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Speaker 15: spend God on this whole episode of America and Iran.

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Speaker 15: You ready, yep?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 15: The nuclear story is all garbage. The real reason is

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Speaker 15: Iran is not selling oil in dollars, and Iran is

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Speaker 15: also selling oil at a very cheap price, almost thirty

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Speaker 15: percent cheaper than the market price. American oil companies are

563
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Speaker 15: not able to complete compete with Iran. Oil can be

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Speaker 15: sold only for another twenty five to thirty years, and

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Speaker 15: after that no one will buy oil as the world

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Speaker 15: will move towards hydrogen powered vehicles. So at the moment,

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Speaker 15: American Jewish oil companies want to make maximum money selling

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Speaker 15: oil which is being spoilt by Iran. That is why

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Speaker 15: they are instigating Israel to attack Iran. In fact, one

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Speaker 15: of the first things Israel did was to attack Iran's

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Speaker 15: oil exporting terminal, which itself makes it clear that their

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Speaker 15: aim is to stop the export of oil.

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Speaker 2: Well, Roger, that could be strategic though often when countries

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Speaker 2: tech other countries, they attack the means of making money,

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Speaker 2: and Iran makes a lot of not nearly all its

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Speaker 2: money by selling oil to China.

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Speaker 15: Basically true that, But the new clear story is just

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Speaker 15: an excuse because when America invaded Iraq, they said that

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Speaker 15: Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons of mass destruction which can

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Speaker 15: destroy the world. The real reason was Saddam Hussein refused

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Speaker 15: to sell oil in dollars. They murdered him. Only when

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Speaker 15: oil is sold in dollars, America can steal money.

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Speaker 2: But do you think it's possible. Do you think it's possible, Roger?

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Speaker 2: It is possible to be wrong at one point, and

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Speaker 2: people are wrong all the time. It's a very very

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Speaker 2: different government in America right now, and it's different people

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Speaker 2: that are saying you. So it's possible to be wrong

588
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Speaker 2: wrong about the mass weaves of mess destruction with Iraq,

589
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Speaker 2: and we all exceed that was wrong and that was

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Speaker 2: an absolute catastrophe and as a previous caller I think

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Speaker 2: was Dallas, was saying, no one's ever going to forgive

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Speaker 2: Bush for that. But it's possible for them to be

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Speaker 2: wrong about the weapons of mass destruction, but right, And

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Speaker 2: it would appear that they have more evidence of what's

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Speaker 2: of the uranium enrichment than they ever had about weapons

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Speaker 2: of mass destruction. So they've got a lot more evidence

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Speaker 2: international events on Iran than they ever did with Iraq.

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Speaker 15: Yes, but if they can overthrow the Iranian regime and

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Speaker 15: keep a puppet regime there or destroy the oil exporting infrastructure,

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Speaker 15: then Jewish American oil companies can make money.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think the people? What do

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Speaker 2: you think the people of Iran want? Because it would

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Speaker 2: appear that the people are not happy with the regime

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Speaker 2: in Iran, so the population of Iran are victims in

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Speaker 2: the situation of the regime.

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Speaker 15: Agree with you, I agree, But the biggest buyers of

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Speaker 15: oil in the international market are China and India. Both

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Speaker 15: are now buying most of their oil from Russia and Iran,

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Speaker 15: which is what American oil companies want to stop. They

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Speaker 15: cannot do anything to Russia, so they are attacking Iran.

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Speaker 15: And how America steals money by forcing countries to use

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Speaker 15: the dollar. Imagine, India has to buy oil from Saudi

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Speaker 15: Arabia for Rupees one hundred. India can buy oil only

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Speaker 15: in American dollars. So first India has to buy dollars

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Speaker 15: from America to give it to Saudi Arabia. Earlier, this

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Speaker 15: was the rule. Now they're planning to change it. The

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Speaker 15: dollar is at a highly inflated price, more than twenty

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Speaker 15: actual Valueia India.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yep, carry on, just finish it off.

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Speaker 15: So India gets just one dollar one dollar and eighteen

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Speaker 15: cents for the rupees one hundred. Now when India is

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Speaker 15: one dollar eighteen to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia does not

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Speaker 15: get the entire money. The Saudi Arabian rear is worth

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Speaker 15: less than thirty percent of the dollar value. So America

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Speaker 15: again keeps more than seventy percent of that one dollar

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Speaker 15: eighteen amount and gives a small amount around thirty nine

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Speaker 15: cents to Saudi Arabia. Also when Saudia.

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Speaker 3: Roger thank you very much for your comments. Really appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure there are some people that agree with you.

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Speaker 3: But bringing it back to the question over enriched uranium again,

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Speaker 3: The question a lot of analysts are asking is why

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Speaker 3: did they need to enrich it to sixty percent perhaps more?

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Speaker 3: But that is from international analysts who recorded that when

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Speaker 3: they went into Iran, and certainly having a centrifuges underground

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Speaker 3: and a fortified bunker would leave many to ask why.

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Speaker 3: But keen but thank you very much for your views

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Speaker 3: and keen on your views on this. So one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighteen eighty is the number. Call. It is a

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Speaker 3: quarter to two bag. Very shortly listening to Matton Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons call News Talks.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about the US strategic strikes on Iran's

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Speaker 3: nuclear facilities. Can get your views, Nick, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 16: And good afternoon to you. Look, nothing seems the truth

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Speaker 16: seems to be lost in a good story. I mean

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Speaker 16: Iranian or Iran has been Russia. Both of them have

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Speaker 16: been fighting proxy wars for the last few years. I

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Speaker 16: mean the Russians had the Wagner Group, now they've set

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Speaker 16: up something else. The Iranians they've been operating through the

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Speaker 16: Hooties and Yeman, through Hezbollah, Who's and so they go.

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Speaker 16: I mean the Iranians have been in spite of their

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Speaker 16: talking about their sovereignty being reached if you want to,

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Speaker 16: they themselves have been sending drones to Russia to fight

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Speaker 16: against the sovereignty of the Ukraine, but nobody says any

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Speaker 16: thing about that. They have they have been supplied missiles

656
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Speaker 16: to the who is Yemen and the Gaza people had

657
00:34:14,733 --> 00:34:19,973
Speaker 16: said they couldn't put together a string quartet little alone

658
00:34:20,453 --> 00:34:23,453
Speaker 16: by the missiles that are needed to attack Israel. So

659
00:34:23,573 --> 00:34:26,293
Speaker 16: where are they getting this equipment from? Where they're getting

660
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Speaker 16: it from? Either Russia or alternatively Iran, Those peace loving

661
00:34:31,693 --> 00:34:35,652
Speaker 16: nations have been fighting it out, and I think, to

662
00:34:35,733 --> 00:34:40,133
Speaker 16: be honest, the Americans and the Israelis have just about

663
00:34:40,173 --> 00:34:42,453
Speaker 16: had enough of them. And don't wonder they're having a

664
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Speaker 16: go with them.

665
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Speaker 2: Do you think neck then that the real situation in

666
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, as Israel versus Iran and what's currently

667
00:34:52,733 --> 00:34:58,693
Speaker 2: happening in Gaza is just a stop gap. I mean, horrible,

668
00:34:58,733 --> 00:35:01,173
Speaker 2: horrible situation that's happening there. But the fight should have

669
00:35:01,173 --> 00:35:04,732
Speaker 2: always been between Israel and Iran, and that's what's happening now.

670
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Speaker 16: Correct The why why why do we keep going along?

671
00:35:10,853 --> 00:35:12,933
Speaker 16: And the public cheems to go along some gud to

672
00:35:12,973 --> 00:35:16,093
Speaker 16: working about the price of oil and dollars and everything else.

673
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Speaker 16: But the truth of us is there's been troubles between

674
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Speaker 16: the Muslims of your wondering the Christians since the days

675
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Speaker 16: of the Crusades.

676
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you coolnick, yep. And look, that's

677
00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:29,373
Speaker 3: what a lot of people go back to. It as

678
00:35:29,373 --> 00:35:32,293
Speaker 3: a very complicated situation with the proxy wars. But to

679
00:35:32,373 --> 00:35:36,253
Speaker 3: narrow it back down to Israel versus Iran is that

680
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:38,373
Speaker 3: you know the situation and then you've got the superpowers

681
00:35:38,373 --> 00:35:39,252
Speaker 3: back in those two nations.

682
00:35:39,293 --> 00:35:41,652
Speaker 2: Well, you've got to say that Iran hasn't shown any

683
00:35:41,693 --> 00:35:45,373
Speaker 2: sympathy at all for the poor people in Palestine, have they.

684
00:35:45,493 --> 00:35:47,853
Speaker 2: They've been quite happy to use them in their battle

685
00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:51,533
Speaker 2: against Israel. And when I say the Iranians, not the people,

686
00:35:51,853 --> 00:35:55,613
Speaker 2: because you know over seventy percent of the people of

687
00:35:55,693 --> 00:35:58,573
Speaker 2: Iran do not support their government. Yep. So it's the

688
00:35:58,573 --> 00:36:03,573
Speaker 2: regime that took over in nineteen seventy nine, and they've

689
00:36:03,573 --> 00:36:10,093
Speaker 2: done some terrible things. Got to say, Iran, Iraq, War, Lebanon, Yemen,

690
00:36:10,813 --> 00:36:13,773
Speaker 2: what they've done in Palestine, Afghanistan, it's.

691
00:36:13,973 --> 00:36:16,853
Speaker 3: The human human rights breaches in their own country absolutely

692
00:36:16,933 --> 00:36:17,333
Speaker 3: before we.

693
00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:20,293
Speaker 2: Even get into you know, the laws that they that

694
00:36:20,373 --> 00:36:21,693
Speaker 2: they subject their people to.

695
00:36:22,613 --> 00:36:25,053
Speaker 3: It is nine to two oh eight hundred eighty ten

696
00:36:25,093 --> 00:36:26,652
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Will take a few

697
00:36:26,693 --> 00:36:27,373
Speaker 3: more calls shortly.

698
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight

699
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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

700
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Speaker 1: Afternoons NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB.

701
00:36:38,813 --> 00:36:41,613
Speaker 3: It is six to two plenty of texts coming through

702
00:36:41,613 --> 00:36:42,573
Speaker 3: on this discussion.

703
00:36:42,733 --> 00:36:45,293
Speaker 2: This sextasies exactly, and the US has never bombed them.

704
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the exactly was related to, but

705
00:36:47,293 --> 00:36:49,293
Speaker 2: the US has never bombed them for their lack of

706
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:52,133
Speaker 2: humanity or care of their people in Iran. It's only

707
00:36:52,173 --> 00:36:54,573
Speaker 2: now they bomb them because of Israel. There is more

708
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:56,613
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. We will never hear. Trump doesn't care

709
00:36:56,613 --> 00:36:58,853
Speaker 2: about a pressed woman in Iran. We're kidding us our

710
00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:01,053
Speaker 2: as if we think that he does. That's instare right.

711
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,973
Speaker 3: And this one is from the other side of the coin. Afternoon, guys.

712
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:06,733
Speaker 3: I agree with your previous caller Tom to a certain extent,

713
00:37:06,773 --> 00:37:10,493
Speaker 3: but people are very short memories too. Or three years ago,

714
00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:12,613
Speaker 3: thousands of people died and are still dying because they

715
00:37:12,653 --> 00:37:16,213
Speaker 3: stood up for themselves, democracy and for women's rights. In Iran.

716
00:37:16,453 --> 00:37:19,053
Speaker 3: This is a country whose main and very vocal objective

717
00:37:19,173 --> 00:37:21,893
Speaker 3: is to destroy the country of Israel and its population.

718
00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:25,293
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that if they had a nuclear weapon,

719
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:28,613
Speaker 3: it would certainly have been used upon Israel. They are

720
00:37:28,653 --> 00:37:31,533
Speaker 3: a death cult where to die is to be a martyr.

721
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:35,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean what they did to their population just

722
00:37:35,053 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. I think it was fifteen

723
00:37:37,053 --> 00:37:40,453
Speaker 2: hundred people of members of their population were murdered for

724
00:37:40,613 --> 00:37:43,573
Speaker 2: protesting in Iran just a couple of years ago. And

725
00:37:43,613 --> 00:37:46,533
Speaker 2: those are the official Iranian numbers from the government, so

726
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:48,692
Speaker 2: likely to be a lot more than that. Mike says,

727
00:37:48,693 --> 00:37:52,493
Speaker 2: this now looks like an unholy jihad. The Jewish Israelis,

728
00:37:52,573 --> 00:37:55,413
Speaker 2: the Muslim Iranians in the Christian US ll share the

729
00:37:55,453 --> 00:37:57,973
Speaker 2: scriptures of the Old Testament of the Bible. What a

730
00:37:58,053 --> 00:38:00,893
Speaker 2: huge mess. Yeah, It's funny how things just play out

731
00:38:00,933 --> 00:38:03,533
Speaker 2: again and again again again over history. Good afternoon, lads.

732
00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:05,333
Speaker 2: All I can say is that thank God Trump wasn't

733
00:38:05,333 --> 00:38:08,053
Speaker 2: the president during the Cuban missile crisis, I wouldn't be

734
00:38:08,093 --> 00:38:10,613
Speaker 2: sent you this text for a start, And could you

735
00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:13,652
Speaker 2: imagine Trump hitting on poor Marilyn Monroe?

736
00:38:13,773 --> 00:38:19,652
Speaker 3: I can, yep, absolutely, I can definitely a couple more

737
00:38:19,653 --> 00:38:23,652
Speaker 3: to wrap this up. Good afternoon, guys. The day I

738
00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:26,613
Speaker 3: turned twenty two or nineteen ninety three, I was shipped

739
00:38:26,613 --> 00:38:28,692
Speaker 3: to the golf. All these years later, we still can't

740
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,732
Speaker 3: get along. Luckily, now I will be too old to go,

741
00:38:31,933 --> 00:38:35,212
Speaker 3: but at least I came back. Real people dyeing these things.

742
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:37,653
Speaker 3: It's not just numbers, too much anger and a few

743
00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:40,773
Speaker 3: causing innocent people to end. Birth rates of falling almost worldwide.

744
00:38:40,853 --> 00:38:42,613
Speaker 3: Let's help humanity grow quicker, shall we.

745
00:38:42,893 --> 00:38:44,413
Speaker 2: Oh that's a nice message, isn't.

746
00:38:44,253 --> 00:38:44,613
Speaker 4: That it is?

747
00:38:44,733 --> 00:38:47,093
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that's right. In all this chat, would

748
00:38:47,093 --> 00:38:50,533
Speaker 2: you forget that real people die and real people suffer

749
00:38:50,693 --> 00:38:54,613
Speaker 2: in these events? Yeah, even surgical strikes kill people.

750
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:57,533
Speaker 3: Absolutely good discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who

751
00:38:57,573 --> 00:39:00,573
Speaker 3: phoned in text on that. We will watch that story

752
00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:04,693
Speaker 3: as it continues to develop. And of course, our great

753
00:39:04,973 --> 00:39:07,733
Speaker 3: men and women of the Defense Force, some of them

754
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:10,133
Speaker 3: are on route and who leaves to pick up our

755
00:39:10,213 --> 00:39:13,613
Speaker 3: citizens who are stranded in Iran and Israel. But thank

756
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:16,573
Speaker 3: you very much for that discussion. Really interesting after two o'clock,

757
00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:19,853
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about regional councils. The Regional Development

758
00:39:19,853 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 3: Minister Shane Jones says, get rid of them is he writes,

759
00:39:22,933 --> 00:39:24,733
Speaker 3: oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

760
00:39:24,853 --> 00:39:25,533
Speaker 3: number to call.

761
00:39:25,853 --> 00:39:29,693
Speaker 2: It seems like a bit of a dichotomy and importance globally,

762
00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:32,293
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, regional councils. Yeah, let's get rid of them.

763
00:39:32,373 --> 00:39:34,812
Speaker 3: Let's get rid of the keen on your view. It's

764
00:39:35,733 --> 00:39:41,373
Speaker 3: three two two talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen,

765
00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:46,573
Speaker 3: Taylor Adams afternoons news talks. They'd be very good afternoons

766
00:39:46,573 --> 00:39:48,773
Speaker 3: to you. Welcome back into the show, seven past. Too

767
00:39:48,813 --> 00:39:51,093
Speaker 3: great to have your company as always.

768
00:39:51,293 --> 00:39:54,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's lower the temperature just a little bit.

769
00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:55,293
Speaker 3: Yes, from quite.

770
00:39:55,133 --> 00:39:57,293
Speaker 2: An intense discussion in the last hour.

771
00:39:57,213 --> 00:39:59,933
Speaker 3: Certainly was but a great discussion and thank you everybody

772
00:39:59,973 --> 00:40:02,853
Speaker 3: who called up really enjoyed that. And this will be

773
00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:05,053
Speaker 3: maybe there'll be a little bit of tension out there

774
00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:06,213
Speaker 3: on this discussion.

775
00:40:05,773 --> 00:40:07,613
Speaker 2: Speaking of lowering the temperture of it. Did I tell

776
00:40:07,653 --> 00:40:11,213
Speaker 2: you Tyler, tell you about my mid winter solstice bloody

777
00:40:11,373 --> 00:40:12,772
Speaker 2: jumping lake topor you did?

778
00:40:12,853 --> 00:40:15,333
Speaker 3: You did? You're a mad dog man. I mean, that

779
00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:18,652
Speaker 3: is crazy town. Jumping into lake topor at this time

780
00:40:18,693 --> 00:40:20,293
Speaker 3: of the year. You were the only one in there

781
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:22,453
Speaker 3: in your undies. Everyone was laughing at you, but you

782
00:40:22,533 --> 00:40:23,013
Speaker 3: felt good.

783
00:40:23,213 --> 00:40:26,733
Speaker 2: There was I saw a various groups that did it,

784
00:40:26,733 --> 00:40:29,413
Speaker 2: but when I when I jumped in, it was I

785
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:31,693
Speaker 2: was the only one. Pulled up screeched a holt in

786
00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:34,613
Speaker 2: the car. Tracy goes, get out. I run across some undies,

787
00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:36,773
Speaker 2: jump in the water and do a bit of a

788
00:40:36,813 --> 00:40:38,652
Speaker 2: paddle around for three minutes and then jump back out.

789
00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:40,813
Speaker 2: Felt great. You got to do that. Do it next year.

790
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:43,252
Speaker 2: Come down with me next year to Topur and jump

791
00:40:43,253 --> 00:40:44,733
Speaker 2: in the water with me in your undies. See, I

792
00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:45,213
Speaker 2: know you're.

793
00:40:45,053 --> 00:40:47,493
Speaker 3: Into this cold water nonsense. You do it in the shower.

794
00:40:47,533 --> 00:40:49,053
Speaker 3: You crank it to as cold as it can get.

795
00:40:49,093 --> 00:40:51,533
Speaker 3: Your love, your ice paths. Just look. I try and

796
00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:53,053
Speaker 3: give a lot of things to go in this life,

797
00:40:53,053 --> 00:40:55,173
Speaker 3: but that's just something I could never get into. I

798
00:40:55,213 --> 00:40:57,013
Speaker 3: gave it a try. I last about ten seconds and

799
00:40:57,093 --> 00:40:59,853
Speaker 3: thinking this is nasty. It just feel pain. It's like

800
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:00,653
Speaker 3: little daggers.

801
00:41:01,053 --> 00:41:05,373
Speaker 2: Yes, but from pain we gain pleasure, such as the

802
00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:07,013
Speaker 2: way our brains are made.

803
00:41:07,453 --> 00:41:07,853
Speaker 3: Very true.

804
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ventral palladium at the part of the brain

805
00:41:11,053 --> 00:41:13,573
Speaker 2: that tilts, which was if we have too much pleasure,

806
00:41:13,893 --> 00:41:16,453
Speaker 2: it creates pain. If we have too much pain, it

807
00:41:16,493 --> 00:41:18,853
Speaker 2: creates pleasure. That's the way it works, Tyler. That's where

808
00:41:18,853 --> 00:41:20,253
Speaker 2: you go for a run. That's a runners high. So

809
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:21,933
Speaker 2: if you want to feel good about life, you can

810
00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:24,093
Speaker 2: have some beers, but then you'll have a terrible hangovers.

811
00:41:24,293 --> 00:41:26,692
Speaker 2: Or if you're like me, you jump into the icy

812
00:41:26,733 --> 00:41:29,413
Speaker 2: cold waters of Lake Topol and you come out feeling

813
00:41:29,973 --> 00:41:31,413
Speaker 2: like reborn and amazing.

814
00:41:31,493 --> 00:41:33,973
Speaker 3: I'll stick with my warm showers anyway. Thanks, go way.

815
00:41:34,053 --> 00:41:36,973
Speaker 3: Let's get onto the regional council Another about jumping into lakes,

816
00:41:37,013 --> 00:41:40,493
Speaker 3: and let's talk about regional councils. So that the Regional

817
00:41:40,493 --> 00:41:43,493
Speaker 3: Development Minister Shane Jones, he said at the end of

818
00:41:43,573 --> 00:41:46,533
Speaker 3: last week, what is the point of regional government? He

819
00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:50,533
Speaker 3: asked that question to a bunch of local government members

820
00:41:50,573 --> 00:41:53,413
Speaker 3: who were sitting in that particular meeting. He said, after

821
00:41:53,573 --> 00:41:56,413
Speaker 3: changes to the RIMA, I don't see the point of

822
00:41:56,573 --> 00:41:59,573
Speaker 3: having regional councils. But here's a little bit of what

823
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 3: he said on this topic. He's been hot on this

824
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:02,613
Speaker 3: for a long time.

825
00:42:03,013 --> 00:42:07,013
Speaker 9: Recently, we cannot have a system of regional local government

826
00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:11,613
Speaker 9: in New Zealand that refuses to rapidly allocate resource consents

827
00:42:11,653 --> 00:42:16,373
Speaker 9: to drive growth, effect better outcomes for employment and local

828
00:42:16,453 --> 00:42:20,733
Speaker 9: government and regional government dot. Stop giving into these threats

829
00:42:20,773 --> 00:42:25,413
Speaker 9: coming from these hitherto unknown hapoos hapoo leadership. Join with

830
00:42:25,493 --> 00:42:29,013
Speaker 9: the rest of New Zealand and bolster our economy. Stop

831
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 9: pursuing your narrow, self serving interests.

832
00:42:32,853 --> 00:42:34,933
Speaker 2: So there you go. And that's Jane Jones. And you

833
00:42:34,973 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 2: know he often has lofty rhetoric. He's a great speaker,

834
00:42:38,293 --> 00:42:41,853
Speaker 2: isn't he. But you don't necessarily think that this is

835
00:42:41,653 --> 00:42:44,813
Speaker 2: this would be a mainstream idea for the coalition government.

836
00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:48,693
Speaker 2: But then you're here Christopher lux Lux on Hosking this morning,

837
00:42:48,693 --> 00:42:49,813
Speaker 2: and he had this to say on this issue.

838
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Speaker 10: You've got a lot of farmers and folk that having

839
00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:54,733
Speaker 10: to present lots of different information and lots of different ways,

840
00:42:55,253 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 10: and so I think that will naturally be explored as

841
00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:00,053
Speaker 10: part of the RMA laws. There's a lot of councils

842
00:43:00,093 --> 00:43:02,693
Speaker 10: doing some really dumb things and that is actually just

843
00:43:02,733 --> 00:43:04,853
Speaker 10: adding costs. And there's a lot of it's vanity projects

844
00:43:04,893 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 10: and nice to do stuff, not must do stuff. You know,

845
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:09,533
Speaker 10: we want them. Folks on them must do things, and

846
00:43:09,533 --> 00:43:12,533
Speaker 10: we want them any really good value to rate payers.

847
00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:15,172
Speaker 10: So you know, looked we've already floated out there. We're

848
00:43:15,333 --> 00:43:18,213
Speaker 10: very interested in rate caps arm so we actually can

849
00:43:18,293 --> 00:43:19,693
Speaker 10: kept the amount of rate increases.

850
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 2: There is actually some.

851
00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:24,853
Speaker 10: Appetite from the local communities now for district councils to

852
00:43:25,013 --> 00:43:27,573
Speaker 10: start to think about how they might work together. You've

853
00:43:27,573 --> 00:43:30,853
Speaker 10: actually even got some local mayas advocating for amalgamation, you know.

854
00:43:31,253 --> 00:43:33,973
Speaker 10: And part of what's happening is as they work together

855
00:43:34,053 --> 00:43:36,293
Speaker 10: on their regional city deals, you know, we don't want

856
00:43:36,293 --> 00:43:38,453
Speaker 10: to deal with each individual council. We want to do

857
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:40,933
Speaker 10: with groups subregions of New Zealand. And then you start

858
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:43,333
Speaker 10: to logically say, well, why do we have different councils.

859
00:43:43,493 --> 00:43:45,853
Speaker 10: Why wouldn't we just work together permanently.

860
00:43:45,933 --> 00:43:46,733
Speaker 2: So that's got to.

861
00:43:46,733 --> 00:43:48,252
Speaker 10: Be a bottom up driven thing.

862
00:43:48,933 --> 00:43:51,213
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of New Zealanders wouldn't really

863
00:43:51,373 --> 00:43:55,933
Speaker 2: know the difference between a regional council and their local

864
00:43:56,333 --> 00:44:00,133
Speaker 2: city council. No, and you might ask yourself, and I'd

865
00:44:00,173 --> 00:44:01,812
Speaker 2: love to hear on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

866
00:44:01,813 --> 00:44:03,533
Speaker 2: do you think that we need them or do we

867
00:44:03,613 --> 00:44:07,413
Speaker 2: just need city councils and central government.

868
00:44:08,613 --> 00:44:11,613
Speaker 3: So you're talking about almost amalgamating or getting rid of

869
00:44:11,653 --> 00:44:14,213
Speaker 3: some of these councils. Would you amalgamate, you'd have to

870
00:44:14,253 --> 00:44:18,213
Speaker 3: amalgamate some of their powers into say, for example, Environment Canterbury,

871
00:44:18,253 --> 00:44:20,853
Speaker 3: which is the regional council, amalgamate that into the christ

872
00:44:20,933 --> 00:44:25,013
Speaker 3: Church City Council, or just allow government to undertake those powers.

873
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:27,013
Speaker 3: When I see my rates bill and christ Church and

874
00:44:27,053 --> 00:44:29,573
Speaker 3: my rates payer in christ Church, of course there's two

875
00:44:29,613 --> 00:44:32,853
Speaker 3: thousand bucks a year I pay to Environment Canterbury. And

876
00:44:32,893 --> 00:44:36,253
Speaker 3: granted they run the buses and the public transport. God

877
00:44:36,333 --> 00:44:39,333
Speaker 3: knows why a regional council sorts out the public transport

878
00:44:39,373 --> 00:44:42,133
Speaker 3: for the likes of christ Church. Never could work that out.

879
00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:45,413
Speaker 3: But then they deal with pollution. They've got people that

880
00:44:45,493 --> 00:44:48,293
Speaker 3: go around with little readers to find out if you're

881
00:44:48,333 --> 00:44:51,053
Speaker 3: lighting a fire, because these fires parts of christ Churche.

882
00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,733
Speaker 3: Little men that drive around just figuring out they've got

883
00:44:53,693 --> 00:44:55,453
Speaker 3: wee heat senses and saying has that guy got their

884
00:44:55,453 --> 00:44:59,453
Speaker 3: fire on? And I just don't know whether I like

885
00:44:59,573 --> 00:45:02,013
Speaker 3: paying that much money to a regional council that I

886
00:45:02,173 --> 00:45:05,013
Speaker 3: hardly ever see from unless I jump on a bus.

887
00:45:04,733 --> 00:45:07,693
Speaker 2: Well, you've got two sets of consent rules arguably, and

888
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:10,293
Speaker 2: amongst bunch for the things, you've got two rates bills,

889
00:45:11,413 --> 00:45:15,973
Speaker 2: and you've got two long term plans. Yeah, potentially crossing

890
00:45:16,053 --> 00:45:19,893
Speaker 2: long term plans. Perhaps the government just needs to do

891
00:45:19,973 --> 00:45:24,333
Speaker 2: everything that the regional councils do and the city councils

892
00:45:24,493 --> 00:45:27,213
Speaker 2: just focus in on what they need to do to

893
00:45:27,293 --> 00:45:30,453
Speaker 2: make their city succeed. I think more I personally think

894
00:45:30,493 --> 00:45:34,053
Speaker 2: local is better and this is a slightly different issue,

895
00:45:34,173 --> 00:45:37,053
Speaker 2: but I think the super city is crazy. Where we

896
00:45:37,093 --> 00:45:39,413
Speaker 2: are in Auckland. I think the needs of the North

897
00:45:39,413 --> 00:45:43,293
Speaker 2: Shore are so very, very different from the needs of

898
00:45:43,373 --> 00:45:46,253
Speaker 2: Central Auckland and the needs of West Auckland. In the

899
00:45:46,253 --> 00:45:49,333
Speaker 2: needs of South Auckland, they're just so wildly different before

900
00:45:49,373 --> 00:45:53,413
Speaker 2: you start looking at a wider Auckland area.

901
00:45:54,173 --> 00:45:55,693
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people would agree with that.

902
00:45:55,773 --> 00:45:58,973
Speaker 3: And there's been some discussion about amalgamation at Wellington, certainly

903
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 3: discussion about amalgamation in christ Church. I do get the idea,

904
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:04,493
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at christ Church here, We've got this

905
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 3: beautiful new stadium that's going to be built next year.

906
00:46:07,253 --> 00:46:10,813
Speaker 3: You've got a beautiful new metro sports facility, a beautiful

907
00:46:11,013 --> 00:46:13,813
Speaker 3: new library. I mean all those anchor projects. So the

908
00:46:13,973 --> 00:46:16,133
Speaker 3: argument for a lot of people within christ Church was

909
00:46:16,493 --> 00:46:19,653
Speaker 3: the Salwyn District Council and the Wymarket Edy District Council.

910
00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:22,692
Speaker 3: Those residents are taking advantage of all these beautiful anchor

911
00:46:22,733 --> 00:46:26,692
Speaker 3: projects that only the people of christ Church are paying for.

912
00:46:27,173 --> 00:46:30,613
Speaker 3: But when you talk about amalgamation in Auckland, certainly hasn't

913
00:46:30,653 --> 00:46:32,853
Speaker 3: panned out how everybody thought it was going to pan out?

914
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:34,693
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, I would just say that they should

915
00:46:34,693 --> 00:46:38,293
Speaker 2: be seen as different cities. It's complicated, isn't it. But

916
00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:40,652
Speaker 2: you know, you just got to ask yourself, what does

917
00:46:40,693 --> 00:46:43,253
Speaker 2: the regional councils do? Yeah, that couldn't be done if

918
00:46:43,253 --> 00:46:45,293
Speaker 2: everyone was covered by their own council.

919
00:46:45,493 --> 00:46:48,893
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty are less councils better

920
00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 3: for the country when we look at the regional councils,

921
00:46:50,973 --> 00:46:54,173
Speaker 3: as Shane Jones and the Prime Minister, right, Shane Jones

922
00:46:54,173 --> 00:46:56,213
Speaker 3: says quite straight up that he wants to do away

923
00:46:56,213 --> 00:46:58,893
Speaker 3: with regional councils. The Prime Minister is open to looking

924
00:46:58,933 --> 00:47:00,692
Speaker 3: at that. But what do you say, Oh eight hundred

925
00:47:00,773 --> 00:47:02,573
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

926
00:47:02,693 --> 00:47:05,172
Speaker 2: And don't get me starated on unitary authorities.

927
00:47:06,493 --> 00:47:07,652
Speaker 3: It is fourteen to two.

928
00:47:07,693 --> 00:47:08,093
Speaker 2: What's that.

929
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:14,573
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call,

930
00:47:14,733 --> 00:47:17,373
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

931
00:47:19,013 --> 00:47:21,493
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We're talking about regional councils

932
00:47:21,493 --> 00:47:24,493
Speaker 3: around New Zealand. There's sixteen of them. Shane Jones, the

933
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:27,493
Speaker 3: Regional Development Minister, he would quite like to see them

934
00:47:27,653 --> 00:47:31,293
Speaker 3: gone and instead those powers be transferred to central government.

935
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:33,133
Speaker 3: What do you say our eight hundred and eighty ten

936
00:47:33,173 --> 00:47:36,853
Speaker 3: eighty The Prime Minister, speaking to Mike Costking, was somewhat

937
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:39,373
Speaker 3: warm on that idea as well, certainly looking deeper into

938
00:47:39,413 --> 00:47:41,893
Speaker 3: the role of regional council but what do you say

939
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:46,173
Speaker 3: the text numbers nine two ninety two plenty coming through, Hey.

940
00:47:45,973 --> 00:47:48,293
Speaker 2: Guys, a big fat nose e merging regional councils into

941
00:47:48,333 --> 00:47:50,933
Speaker 2: city and district councils. The bigger is the bigger these

942
00:47:50,973 --> 00:47:53,813
Speaker 2: councils get, the more expensive and untouchable. They can't become

943
00:47:54,493 --> 00:47:56,573
Speaker 2: if in thieves and will only get worse if we

944
00:47:56,613 --> 00:47:58,893
Speaker 2: give them more reasons to tax us. It will not

945
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:01,773
Speaker 2: be an improvement. I reckon we had more accountability with

946
00:48:01,813 --> 00:48:04,453
Speaker 2: the old borough councils. There you go from Craig, thank

947
00:48:04,453 --> 00:48:07,853
Speaker 2: you so much. This Texas says no central government, just councils.

948
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:10,772
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, because that is a bold move.

949
00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:13,373
Speaker 2: Well, if that was the situation, we'd just be we'd

950
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:16,333
Speaker 2: be like the United States of America and the individual states,

951
00:48:16,573 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 2: individual states.

952
00:48:17,613 --> 00:48:20,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be interesting, that would be very interesting. Oh

953
00:48:20,813 --> 00:48:23,693
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen eighty C number to call, David.

954
00:48:24,173 --> 00:48:26,813
Speaker 3: You reckon councils have made themselves unaffordable.

955
00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:34,013
Speaker 17: Hi, David here absolutely. I live on the Company Coast

956
00:48:34,853 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 17: and the Council of just out of hand. They give

957
00:48:41,253 --> 00:48:44,933
Speaker 17: rate payers money to private businesses. There's one business that

958
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:49,373
Speaker 17: had a handout of seven hundred thousand dollars and then

959
00:48:49,413 --> 00:48:55,253
Speaker 17: the same business was given a a loan, an unsecured

960
00:48:55,333 --> 00:49:01,333
Speaker 17: loan of eight hundred thousand dollars. That's a huge amount

961
00:49:01,413 --> 00:49:04,813
Speaker 17: of money from rate payers money. The council are not

962
00:49:04,853 --> 00:49:08,293
Speaker 17: supposed to be collecting rates to give to private business.

963
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:13,653
Speaker 17: Since it is just one small issue with the council,

964
00:49:14,373 --> 00:49:17,213
Speaker 17: they've got out of hands and they need to be

965
00:49:17,293 --> 00:49:21,293
Speaker 17: reeled in. Their employment. The number of people they employ

966
00:49:21,853 --> 00:49:26,373
Speaker 17: has gone up by a huge port. Their wages have

967
00:49:26,413 --> 00:49:31,212
Speaker 17: gone up a huge percent. It's ridiculous, it's unaffordable. When

968
00:49:31,253 --> 00:49:34,613
Speaker 17: I did on a submission to the long term plan,

969
00:49:35,133 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 17: my first question of them.

970
00:49:37,053 --> 00:49:37,533
Speaker 9: Is what.

971
00:49:38,973 --> 00:49:43,053
Speaker 17: Research have you've done the affordability on mental anguish that

972
00:49:43,133 --> 00:49:46,333
Speaker 17: these huge ride increases are on the course to the

973
00:49:46,413 --> 00:49:48,893
Speaker 17: right players. They have done nothing.

974
00:49:49,813 --> 00:49:52,773
Speaker 2: Do you think that Do you think that the existence

975
00:49:52,813 --> 00:50:00,093
Speaker 2: of both regional and city councils adds to that rights problem?

976
00:50:00,293 --> 00:50:07,053
Speaker 17: Absolutely, you've got more and more people being employed and

977
00:50:07,293 --> 00:50:11,493
Speaker 17: the productivity and you can read the long term plan

978
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:15,933
Speaker 17: at the company district council is that their productivity and

979
00:50:16,653 --> 00:50:21,253
Speaker 17: has gone down. This is their marking themselves.

980
00:50:22,293 --> 00:50:25,133
Speaker 2: Do you think if you didn't have the regional councils though,

981
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:29,812
Speaker 2: it would be two urban focused because that's what would

982
00:50:30,013 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 2: that tends to happen, that that people would just be

983
00:50:32,973 --> 00:50:36,453
Speaker 2: way too focused on the cities and and you know,

984
00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:38,493
Speaker 2: if you're on the outskirts, you'd be totally forgotten.

985
00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:42,893
Speaker 17: I can understand that as being a risk, but I'm

986
00:50:42,973 --> 00:50:46,893
Speaker 17: sure it could be mitigated in one fashion or another.

987
00:50:47,333 --> 00:50:51,973
Speaker 17: At the end of the day, our rates are unaffordable.

988
00:50:52,893 --> 00:50:55,133
Speaker 5: I'm paying six six.

989
00:50:55,013 --> 00:51:00,053
Speaker 17: Hundred dollars a year for a small house. When I

990
00:51:00,093 --> 00:51:03,213
Speaker 17: first bought the house three years ago, it was just

991
00:51:03,333 --> 00:51:07,733
Speaker 17: around four thousand dollars. This is the sort of increases

992
00:51:08,453 --> 00:51:12,453
Speaker 17: these council councils are putting on rate players. And the

993
00:51:12,493 --> 00:51:17,573
Speaker 17: councils and the mayor do not represent the rate payers.

994
00:51:17,853 --> 00:51:19,573
Speaker 17: They represent themselves.

995
00:51:20,373 --> 00:51:23,693
Speaker 2: So what do you think is the biggest the biggest

996
00:51:23,693 --> 00:51:27,133
Speaker 2: cost that that councils could cut back on, and what

997
00:51:27,173 --> 00:51:29,333
Speaker 2: they could cut back on that would keep rates down.

998
00:51:30,853 --> 00:51:35,613
Speaker 17: Sure, now this won't be very popular that the amount

999
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:43,213
Speaker 17: of money they give to maori and also give them

1000
00:51:43,453 --> 00:51:47,413
Speaker 17: grants to paint the maris. I wish I could have

1001
00:51:47,413 --> 00:51:51,293
Speaker 17: a grant to paint my my marai my house. It's

1002
00:51:51,373 --> 00:51:52,573
Speaker 17: out of control.

1003
00:51:53,613 --> 00:51:53,973
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1004
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:58,533
Speaker 2: And what percentage do you think that is of expenditure, David.

1005
00:51:59,253 --> 00:52:03,493
Speaker 17: Well, I'm sorry, I'm driving at the moment and I

1006
00:52:03,533 --> 00:52:07,533
Speaker 17: don't have those exact figures in my head, but I

1007
00:52:07,613 --> 00:52:10,533
Speaker 17: certainly can get them to you. We've done a lot

1008
00:52:10,653 --> 00:52:17,293
Speaker 17: of investigation about where our rates are going and information

1009
00:52:18,693 --> 00:52:20,253
Speaker 17: in the long term.

1010
00:52:20,093 --> 00:52:23,692
Speaker 3: Part I think of you called David, Yeah, I mean

1011
00:52:23,773 --> 00:52:26,013
Speaker 3: certainly when it comes to regional council and this is

1012
00:52:26,053 --> 00:52:29,252
Speaker 3: my own view, But why they handle public transport. I've

1013
00:52:29,253 --> 00:52:31,413
Speaker 3: got no idea, but that is a big cost and

1014
00:52:31,453 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 3: I don't have my breakdown. But as I mentioned a

1015
00:52:33,613 --> 00:52:36,293
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, I pay five hundred bucks a quarter,

1016
00:52:36,453 --> 00:52:38,733
Speaker 3: so that's two grand a year on top of what

1017
00:52:38,733 --> 00:52:41,252
Speaker 3: I'm already paying counsel. And he's right about the cost

1018
00:52:41,333 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 3: going up. And I know we all talk about that,

1019
00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:46,772
Speaker 3: but it is massive pressure when and my rates haven't

1020
00:52:46,813 --> 00:52:49,212
Speaker 3: gone up with the average across christ Hug has gone

1021
00:52:49,293 --> 00:52:51,453
Speaker 3: up a lot more than that for various reasons, the

1022
00:52:51,493 --> 00:52:54,533
Speaker 3: property value has gone up, et cetera, etc. But when

1023
00:52:54,813 --> 00:52:58,213
Speaker 3: it's gone from about six hundred bucks per quarter to

1024
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:01,733
Speaker 3: over one thousand in the space of five years, that

1025
00:53:01,813 --> 00:53:02,453
Speaker 3: starts to hurt.

1026
00:53:02,533 --> 00:53:05,813
Speaker 2: And you think extra bureaucracy is a big part of that.

1027
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:07,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you one thing that and this

1028
00:53:07,693 --> 00:53:10,493
Speaker 3: will be controvert, but part of my rates go to

1029
00:53:10,693 --> 00:53:13,533
Speaker 3: the rebuilding of christ Church Cathedral and I don't agree

1030
00:53:13,573 --> 00:53:15,533
Speaker 3: with that. I think there is money there from other

1031
00:53:15,613 --> 00:53:19,692
Speaker 3: sources without having the rates payers fronts up. And I think, look,

1032
00:53:19,693 --> 00:53:21,933
Speaker 3: it's not much, it's about ten bucks a quarter, but

1033
00:53:22,053 --> 00:53:24,973
Speaker 3: still the very fact that they're lumping that on rate payers,

1034
00:53:25,053 --> 00:53:26,333
Speaker 3: I don't think is fare well.

1035
00:53:26,253 --> 00:53:27,613
Speaker 2: Hang on a minute. There's always going to be things

1036
00:53:27,613 --> 00:53:30,093
Speaker 2: you disagree with, right, yep, you're never going to be

1037
00:53:30,373 --> 00:53:33,773
Speaker 2: agree with absolutely everything they do. You take topor I

1038
00:53:33,813 --> 00:53:35,973
Speaker 2: love boom boom yeap boom Boom's a great stead.

1039
00:53:36,053 --> 00:53:36,973
Speaker 3: It's a great dinosaur.

1040
00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:38,453
Speaker 2: I love that dinosaur.

1041
00:53:38,533 --> 00:53:38,772
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1042
00:53:38,773 --> 00:53:40,853
Speaker 2: Some people don't want their rates going there.

1043
00:53:40,933 --> 00:53:41,853
Speaker 3: It's a very good point.

1044
00:53:42,133 --> 00:53:45,133
Speaker 2: West Coast four councils for a population of thirty five thousand.

1045
00:53:45,173 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 2: This is an example of cost replication, replication, delays, and

1046
00:53:50,653 --> 00:53:54,613
Speaker 2: inefficiency with circa two thousand, sorry circa I was going

1047
00:53:54,653 --> 00:53:56,652
Speaker 2: to read that as two hundred and fifty thous three

1048
00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:58,253
Speaker 2: hundred staff, and there'll be a lot of people to

1049
00:53:58,253 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 2: be lost. There'll be a lot for the West Coast.

1050
00:54:00,893 --> 00:54:00,973
Speaker 8: No.

1051
00:54:01,053 --> 00:54:03,613
Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty to three hundred staff plus consultants.

1052
00:54:04,053 --> 00:54:07,333
Speaker 2: We must be better. Yeah, And this Texas says we

1053
00:54:07,373 --> 00:54:10,493
Speaker 2: are a tiny little country. All we need is central government.

1054
00:54:11,093 --> 00:54:14,773
Speaker 2: We don't need these councils. I mean five million people.

1055
00:54:16,173 --> 00:54:18,413
Speaker 2: I would say there's a lot of difference between Stuart

1056
00:54:18,453 --> 00:54:21,973
Speaker 2: Island and you know, Matticana. That's what I would say.

1057
00:54:22,053 --> 00:54:24,133
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to get your

1058
00:54:24,253 --> 00:54:27,173
Speaker 3: thoughts on this. Is it time to scrap regional councils

1059
00:54:27,933 --> 00:54:30,333
Speaker 3: or do they serve a purpose? It is twenty four

1060
00:54:30,373 --> 00:54:34,333
Speaker 3: past two.

1061
00:54:35,453 --> 00:54:39,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1062
00:54:39,213 --> 00:54:41,053
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1063
00:54:41,093 --> 00:54:43,733
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. We're talking about regional councils. Is it

1064
00:54:43,853 --> 00:54:46,973
Speaker 3: time to ditch to them? The Regional Development Minister Shane

1065
00:54:47,053 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 3: Jones certainly says yes, and our Prime Minister was open

1066
00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:52,493
Speaker 3: to the idea of looking at the role of regional

1067
00:54:52,573 --> 00:54:55,893
Speaker 3: councils and whether some of their roles and responsibilities can

1068
00:54:55,933 --> 00:54:57,133
Speaker 3: be transferred elsewhere.

1069
00:54:57,613 --> 00:54:59,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sexer says this is this is a real

1070
00:55:00,413 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 2: go at me which I enjoy.

1071
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:04,293
Speaker 3: You do acshally Yeah yeah.

1072
00:55:04,453 --> 00:55:07,733
Speaker 2: Boom boom sucks. Oh what Matt, Can we get a

1073
00:55:07,773 --> 00:55:09,773
Speaker 2: day when you don't go on about boom boom and

1074
00:55:09,813 --> 00:55:14,172
Speaker 2: top or it's dunedin cheese rolls, this topo that we

1075
00:55:14,213 --> 00:55:15,813
Speaker 2: all know that you live in Auckland and drive a

1076
00:55:15,853 --> 00:55:18,893
Speaker 2: saab man of the people, my ass, Take your boom

1077
00:55:18,893 --> 00:55:21,693
Speaker 2: boom and your cheese rolls and wash them down with

1078
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:24,732
Speaker 2: a liberal chardonnay on your multimillion dollar upland deck.

1079
00:55:24,893 --> 00:55:26,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is someone that's actually met you. I've got

1080
00:55:26,893 --> 00:55:28,853
Speaker 3: your number, mate, that is. I mean, I can't argue

1081
00:55:28,853 --> 00:55:30,453
Speaker 3: with anything they are apart from Boom Boom.

1082
00:55:30,653 --> 00:55:33,893
Speaker 2: I don't think you can go like, look, I get

1083
00:55:34,413 --> 00:55:37,333
Speaker 2: counsel over spending, I absolutely get it. But I don't

1084
00:55:37,373 --> 00:55:39,453
Speaker 2: think you can go past Boom Boom, which is a

1085
00:55:39,493 --> 00:55:44,093
Speaker 2: dinosaur statue, a piece of art in top War and

1086
00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:46,652
Speaker 2: not feel joyed. And they see the kids around it.

1087
00:55:46,653 --> 00:55:48,333
Speaker 2: It's like a bubble blow up dinosaur.

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00:55:48,573 --> 00:55:50,373
Speaker 3: I question boom Boom, But then when I saw a

1089
00:55:50,453 --> 00:55:52,533
Speaker 3: picture of us, thought, yeah, no, fair enough. Boom Boom

1090
00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:54,533
Speaker 3: is amazing. Go google Boom Boom.

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00:55:54,333 --> 00:55:54,773
Speaker 12: And to war.

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00:55:55,253 --> 00:55:58,653
Speaker 2: Boom Boom's the best of us. Yeah, exactly, Barbara, welcome

1093
00:55:58,653 --> 00:55:59,093
Speaker 2: to the show.

1094
00:55:59,813 --> 00:56:03,252
Speaker 18: Oh thank you hello. You know, I reckon they should

1095
00:56:03,253 --> 00:56:06,293
Speaker 18: get rid of regional councils, but I also think that

1096
00:56:06,373 --> 00:56:08,973
Speaker 18: they should keep a closer eye on the main councils.

1097
00:56:09,373 --> 00:56:12,692
Speaker 18: I'm in the Palmas North City council area and I've

1098
00:56:12,693 --> 00:56:15,172
Speaker 18: got my own home and everything, and you know, they

1099
00:56:15,253 --> 00:56:18,213
Speaker 18: just spend money like water. They just they put the

1100
00:56:18,373 --> 00:56:21,093
Speaker 18: rates up and then they put the parking up. They

1101
00:56:21,173 --> 00:56:24,253
Speaker 18: put everything up. They can take more money off everybody.

1102
00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:28,373
Speaker 18: I'm actually a pensioner, so you know, I don't complain

1103
00:56:28,413 --> 00:56:31,292
Speaker 18: about that. I'm doing quite nicely. I've an owned house

1104
00:56:31,293 --> 00:56:34,212
Speaker 18: and the car and everything. But I think they do,

1105
00:56:34,373 --> 00:56:36,413
Speaker 18: you know, they don't think of the people much. They

1106
00:56:36,453 --> 00:56:39,653
Speaker 18: spend a lot of money on rubbish and statues and

1107
00:56:39,693 --> 00:56:41,732
Speaker 18: all that sort of thing, where you know, you've got

1108
00:56:41,733 --> 00:56:43,693
Speaker 18: to spend the money on the things that are important,

1109
00:56:43,773 --> 00:56:45,773
Speaker 18: like the roads and the rubbish and all that sort of.

1110
00:56:45,773 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 2: Stuff, so that the castle should.

1111
00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,373
Speaker 18: Be closely looked at, very closely looked at. Because I

1112
00:56:51,413 --> 00:56:54,053
Speaker 18: have heard a few rumors lately that going on in

1113
00:56:54,093 --> 00:56:57,413
Speaker 18: the Palmers North City Council that it really makes my

1114
00:56:57,453 --> 00:56:58,133
Speaker 18: stomach churn.

1115
00:56:58,773 --> 00:56:58,973
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1116
00:56:59,093 --> 00:57:01,453
Speaker 2: Right, So you think it's that a lot of money

1117
00:57:01,493 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 2: has been spent on nice to haves when they need

1118
00:57:03,493 --> 00:57:06,213
Speaker 2: to just work on the basics and sort out the

1119
00:57:06,253 --> 00:57:07,133
Speaker 2: basic problems.

1120
00:57:07,213 --> 00:57:10,733
Speaker 18: Barbara, Yeah, differently, that that would be my e And

1121
00:57:10,773 --> 00:57:14,413
Speaker 18: I don't think the regional councils that you know, from

1122
00:57:14,413 --> 00:57:16,093
Speaker 18: what I see in my rates, I don't think they

1123
00:57:16,093 --> 00:57:18,133
Speaker 18: do very much. I think they could combine it then

1124
00:57:18,653 --> 00:57:22,653
Speaker 18: and just send over to this city council. What they

1125
00:57:22,693 --> 00:57:25,093
Speaker 18: don't do yeah, and a lot of people have done.

1126
00:57:25,133 --> 00:57:26,613
Speaker 3: A lot of peop would agree with that, Barbara. Can

1127
00:57:26,653 --> 00:57:29,253
Speaker 3: I run you through some things that that councils pay

1128
00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:31,533
Speaker 3: for and see if you think it's good value for money?

1129
00:57:32,253 --> 00:57:32,453
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1130
00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:36,573
Speaker 3: Sure, all right, cooking classes, how to add libraries? You're

1131
00:57:36,613 --> 00:57:41,373
Speaker 3: into that? No, no, okay, not a council responsibility. A

1132
00:57:41,453 --> 00:57:43,373
Speaker 3: statue of boom boom and topor.

1133
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:48,213
Speaker 18: I don't know, I probably, I don't know. If I

1134
00:57:48,293 --> 00:57:49,613
Speaker 18: love you, I might have a different view.

1135
00:57:49,653 --> 00:57:54,413
Speaker 3: But anti statue when you started off, Barbara, but boom boom,

1136
00:57:54,653 --> 00:57:55,373
Speaker 3: I'd say.

1137
00:57:55,213 --> 00:57:57,453
Speaker 18: No to the statues. But you know, it sounds like

1138
00:57:57,493 --> 00:58:00,493
Speaker 18: from the last guy said that people getting a lot

1139
00:58:00,493 --> 00:58:02,013
Speaker 18: of joy out of it. But I can't see why

1140
00:58:02,053 --> 00:58:04,213
Speaker 18: you get joy out of a dem statue when you're

1141
00:58:04,253 --> 00:58:05,413
Speaker 18: anyone something else does.

1142
00:58:05,573 --> 00:58:09,653
Speaker 2: That's a pretty cute statue, Barbara. Some statues so so

1143
00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:10,933
Speaker 2: the kids love it. The kids love it?

1144
00:58:11,053 --> 00:58:13,493
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, your status are enough for me anyway.

1145
00:58:13,573 --> 00:58:16,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I hear what you're saying, Barbara. Yourecon sewerage,

1146
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:20,013
Speaker 3: roading the basics, make sure the infrastructures aren't to scratched,

1147
00:58:19,973 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 3: and then you can have your nice to heads.

1148
00:58:22,053 --> 00:58:25,853
Speaker 18: Yes, yeah, yeah, because they Actually the parking here is disgusting.

1149
00:58:26,693 --> 00:58:29,733
Speaker 18: Every Wednesday, me and my ex army mates we all

1150
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:32,453
Speaker 18: meet for a morning tea and last week we all

1151
00:58:32,493 --> 00:58:33,773
Speaker 18: got a seventy dollars ticket.

1152
00:58:34,573 --> 00:58:35,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's mine.

1153
00:58:35,533 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 18: Was for being three and three or four inches over

1154
00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:41,013
Speaker 18: the line. And it wasn't even a parking ticket. Was

1155
00:58:41,053 --> 00:58:43,453
Speaker 18: three inches over the line and on the on the

1156
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:45,773
Speaker 18: side where it was over there was nobody allowed to

1157
00:58:45,813 --> 00:58:46,613
Speaker 18: park there anyway.

1158
00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:48,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you know it cost.

1159
00:58:48,173 --> 00:58:49,333
Speaker 18: Me seventy dollars.

1160
00:58:49,653 --> 00:58:54,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've started on parking or parking or parking charges

1161
00:58:54,733 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 2: of theft. If you ask me afternoon, are you're talking

1162
00:58:56,613 --> 00:58:59,413
Speaker 2: about scrapping regional councils or local councils. You're asking about

1163
00:58:59,453 --> 00:59:01,853
Speaker 2: regional councils, but you and your callers reference the role

1164
00:59:01,893 --> 00:59:05,013
Speaker 2: of local councils. Both have important roles, but a robust

1165
00:59:05,053 --> 00:59:08,773
Speaker 2: democracy means functionality should constantly be locked at. Yeah. I

1166
00:59:08,773 --> 00:59:10,973
Speaker 2: mean we are blurring the lines because our original question

1167
00:59:11,253 --> 00:59:15,853
Speaker 2: was around Shane Jones calls to essentially get rid of

1168
00:59:15,853 --> 00:59:18,853
Speaker 2: regional councils. But when you're talking about councils, there's all

1169
00:59:18,853 --> 00:59:21,813
Speaker 2: getting blurred between between the two. You know, we're happy

1170
00:59:21,853 --> 00:59:24,693
Speaker 2: to talk about councils in general, But we're really the

1171
00:59:24,933 --> 00:59:30,173
Speaker 2: primary question we're asking is do regional councils just you know,

1172
00:59:30,213 --> 00:59:33,653
Speaker 2: are they two cents of consent rules, two rates bills?

1173
00:59:34,293 --> 00:59:34,493
Speaker 13: You know?

1174
00:59:34,733 --> 00:59:38,173
Speaker 2: Is it just extra bureaucracy and cost and you know

1175
00:59:38,173 --> 00:59:40,973
Speaker 2: it does? It does? Are they really doing enough? Are

1176
00:59:41,013 --> 00:59:45,053
Speaker 2: they just adding to inefficiencies in slowing progress and making

1177
00:59:45,093 --> 00:59:49,013
Speaker 2: it harder to make decisions that make our rates bills

1178
00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:49,413
Speaker 2: come down?

1179
00:59:49,493 --> 00:59:51,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are they actually value

1180
00:59:51,853 --> 00:59:54,893
Speaker 3: for money regional councils? And should they go? As Shane

1181
00:59:55,013 --> 00:59:57,853
Speaker 3: Jones is indicated, he'd like to see eight hundred eighty

1182
00:59:57,853 --> 01:00:00,773
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call headlines with Wendy

1183
01:00:00,933 --> 01:00:01,453
Speaker 3: coming up.

1184
01:00:04,653 --> 01:00:07,693
Speaker 1: Jus talks, they'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

1185
01:00:07,693 --> 01:00:11,013
Speaker 14: It's no tru with a blue bubble. Satellite images are

1186
01:00:11,053 --> 01:00:14,853
Speaker 14: offering some indication of damage to nuclear sites attacked by

1187
01:00:14,853 --> 01:00:18,653
Speaker 14: the US in Iran, including deep underground site for DOE.

1188
01:00:19,013 --> 01:00:21,813
Speaker 14: A military analyst says holes and other areas can be

1189
01:00:21,853 --> 01:00:24,533
Speaker 14: seen in images of four dough from the impact of

1190
01:00:24,573 --> 01:00:27,693
Speaker 14: the bunker buster bombs, which have closed the entrances.

1191
01:00:28,613 --> 01:00:29,133
Speaker 2: Immigration.

1192
01:00:29,253 --> 01:00:32,693
Speaker 14: New Zealands received one hundred and eighty nine applications for

1193
01:00:32,733 --> 01:00:36,853
Speaker 14: the Active Investor Plus visa since April, a visa which

1194
01:00:36,893 --> 01:00:40,133
Speaker 14: makes it easier for business people with money to invest

1195
01:00:40,453 --> 01:00:43,853
Speaker 14: to gain residency in New Zealand. All Blacks and Blues

1196
01:00:43,893 --> 01:00:47,573
Speaker 14: winger Caleb Clark's being discharged without conviction for dangerous driving

1197
01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:51,373
Speaker 14: over fleeing police on his motorbike. The discharge came minutes

1198
01:00:51,413 --> 01:00:54,773
Speaker 14: after he was named in this year's first all Black squad.

1199
01:00:55,293 --> 01:00:58,173
Speaker 14: The Ethnic Communities Minister says he was appalled by a

1200
01:00:58,253 --> 01:01:01,693
Speaker 14: destiny church march in Auckland on Saturday, taking aim at

1201
01:01:01,773 --> 01:01:03,053
Speaker 14: non Christian groups.

1202
01:01:03,573 --> 01:01:03,933
Speaker 4: What if?

1203
01:01:04,013 --> 01:01:07,413
Speaker 14: Enois Mayor says common sense has prevailed, with construction set

1204
01:01:07,453 --> 01:01:10,533
Speaker 14: to begin on the Mater Expaceway from Otaki to north

1205
01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:13,413
Speaker 14: of Livin and said, ta has you turned on cutting

1206
01:01:13,413 --> 01:01:17,693
Speaker 14: out a new interchange on ramp and overbridge. Trump's bombing

1207
01:01:17,693 --> 01:01:20,573
Speaker 14: of Iran raises the ghosts of Iraq. See the full

1208
01:01:20,613 --> 01:01:23,853
Speaker 14: analysis at nsaid Herald to Premium. Now back to Matt

1209
01:01:23,933 --> 01:01:24,333
Speaker 14: and Tyler.

1210
01:01:24,493 --> 01:01:26,693
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wenny. Now, just before we go

1211
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:29,293
Speaker 3: back to our discussion about regional councils, there's been a

1212
01:01:29,293 --> 01:01:32,493
Speaker 3: call from Shane Jones to get rid of them. You

1213
01:01:32,573 --> 01:01:34,733
Speaker 3: might recall about two weeks ago we were having a

1214
01:01:34,773 --> 01:01:38,013
Speaker 3: great discussion about the good old Sunday Roast and we

1215
01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:40,893
Speaker 3: had a call from a woman called Kathy. She's lovely,

1216
01:01:41,253 --> 01:01:44,933
Speaker 3: but her oven was not working. So and Kathy is

1217
01:01:44,933 --> 01:01:46,613
Speaker 3: on the line right now. Kathy.

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01:01:46,653 --> 01:01:50,853
Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Tyler, good afternoon, Matt. I just

1219
01:01:50,893 --> 01:01:54,373
Speaker 13: want to say I can't thank you enough for how

1220
01:01:54,413 --> 01:01:58,333
Speaker 13: you helped me. You are just wonderful. And my oven's working,

1221
01:01:58,733 --> 01:02:01,813
Speaker 13: and that company called Axel, the lovely man that came

1222
01:02:01,853 --> 01:02:05,133
Speaker 13: out to fix it was just superb And I'm just

1223
01:02:05,493 --> 01:02:07,613
Speaker 13: bringing up to say thank you very much.

1224
01:02:07,773 --> 01:02:09,653
Speaker 2: Oh bless you. Kathy. What have you cooked in the

1225
01:02:09,693 --> 01:02:13,573
Speaker 2: oven since you've got it?

1226
01:02:11,733 --> 01:02:17,413
Speaker 13: I'm only so bad like something out of the freezer,

1227
01:02:17,453 --> 01:02:19,533
Speaker 13: you know. I've frozen out of the supermarket just to

1228
01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,613
Speaker 13: see how it goes and everything. So I'm going to

1229
01:02:21,613 --> 01:02:24,693
Speaker 13: get more adventurous. But just having that lovely piping hot

1230
01:02:24,813 --> 01:02:27,133
Speaker 13: meal come out of the oven was just wonderful.

1231
01:02:27,253 --> 01:02:30,053
Speaker 3: We're so chugh to hear that, Kethy. And I will

1232
01:02:30,053 --> 01:02:32,693
Speaker 3: say as well, because it was Chris from Exel who

1233
01:02:32,733 --> 01:02:34,693
Speaker 3: got in touch with us when you heard your story.

1234
01:02:35,333 --> 01:02:37,813
Speaker 3: And good people, very good people. With Excell.

1235
01:02:38,013 --> 01:02:39,493
Speaker 13: It was Chris that came out here.

1236
01:02:42,573 --> 01:02:48,973
Speaker 3: He's the owner, he's the big che Oh my gosh.

1237
01:02:48,733 --> 01:02:51,653
Speaker 13: He's coming back again because he didn't have a replacement

1238
01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:54,373
Speaker 13: one of the elements just time. You know, it's not

1239
01:02:54,693 --> 01:02:57,773
Speaker 13: imperative or anything like that. So he's coming back on Thursday.

1240
01:02:57,853 --> 01:03:00,293
Speaker 13: He's going to put that other element back in for me.

1241
01:03:00,533 --> 01:03:02,693
Speaker 2: Well, feel a good story we've got to say about

1242
01:03:02,693 --> 01:03:05,653
Speaker 2: Exel and Chris. He asked us not to credit them.

1243
01:03:05,813 --> 01:03:07,933
Speaker 3: No, no, when I when I when we said we

1244
01:03:07,973 --> 01:03:09,533
Speaker 3: were going to them, a bit of a shouted. He said,

1245
01:03:09,573 --> 01:03:12,093
Speaker 3: please don't do that, Please don't do that. I'm just

1246
01:03:12,173 --> 01:03:14,093
Speaker 3: oh Kathy's story. I want to help her out and

1247
01:03:14,173 --> 01:03:16,093
Speaker 3: it's an easy Joe. He was very humble. It's an

1248
01:03:16,093 --> 01:03:18,733
Speaker 3: easy job for me, no stress. But thought, nah, none

1249
01:03:18,773 --> 01:03:21,453
Speaker 3: of that. If you're a good bugger like Exeal Appliance,

1250
01:03:21,453 --> 01:03:24,133
Speaker 3: Servicene and Parts in Auckland, you deserve a shout out

1251
01:03:24,253 --> 01:03:25,613
Speaker 3: Chris as the owner, as what.

1252
01:03:25,773 --> 01:03:27,933
Speaker 2: We've betrayed his trust. Yeah, sorry by sharing that.

1253
01:03:28,373 --> 01:03:31,093
Speaker 3: You might be embarrassed if you're listening, Chris, but go

1254
01:03:31,213 --> 01:03:32,933
Speaker 3: and check them out if you've got any problem with

1255
01:03:32,973 --> 01:03:37,093
Speaker 3: your appliances. Exeal appliance service in in parts in Auckland.

1256
01:03:37,133 --> 01:03:39,293
Speaker 3: They're in Mount Wellington. Chris as a owner, his wife

1257
01:03:39,293 --> 01:03:42,093
Speaker 3: works in the back office. Good good, New Zealanders.

1258
01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:44,693
Speaker 2: And that makes us very happy. Kathy. Yes, you can

1259
01:03:44,733 --> 01:03:48,493
Speaker 2: cook up your macaroni cheese exactly. Hey, Matt and Tyler.

1260
01:03:48,533 --> 01:03:50,533
Speaker 2: The caller complaining about the cost of painting, but I

1261
01:03:50,773 --> 01:03:53,213
Speaker 2: has been misinformed. The cost of painting but I comes

1262
01:03:53,213 --> 01:03:56,293
Speaker 2: from a contested fund that also gives grants to paint

1263
01:03:56,373 --> 01:03:59,533
Speaker 2: country halls which are owned by country hall trusts. That's

1264
01:03:59,533 --> 01:04:01,973
Speaker 2: from Reuben Ah. Thank you for your text, Ruben.

1265
01:04:01,773 --> 01:04:04,973
Speaker 3: Good to clarify that plenty of texts coming through on

1266
01:04:05,093 --> 01:04:07,933
Speaker 3: regional councils should we do away with them.

1267
01:04:09,733 --> 01:04:12,493
Speaker 2: Working in a small company, people are held accountable because

1268
01:04:12,493 --> 01:04:14,533
Speaker 2: there's no way to hide. And some of those small

1269
01:04:14,573 --> 01:04:17,133
Speaker 2: companies have grown to become big companies and the people

1270
01:04:17,253 --> 01:04:20,053
Speaker 2: hide and productivity goes down as well as profit, so

1271
01:04:20,133 --> 01:04:22,733
Speaker 2: then they start cutting staff to become smaller and more profitable.

1272
01:04:22,973 --> 01:04:25,413
Speaker 2: Too many people are in council for their own benefit,

1273
01:04:25,693 --> 01:04:28,173
Speaker 2: very sad and selfish on their part, and those that

1274
01:04:28,253 --> 01:04:30,093
Speaker 2: are there for the good of the people normally get

1275
01:04:30,133 --> 01:04:32,613
Speaker 2: run out of town and bullied and they leave.

1276
01:04:32,973 --> 01:04:34,653
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so.

1277
01:04:34,653 --> 01:04:37,213
Speaker 2: That sounds like a person that's against the extra.

1278
01:04:36,973 --> 01:04:39,853
Speaker 3: Layer of regional councils certainly does. And this one loves

1279
01:04:39,893 --> 01:04:42,373
Speaker 3: regional councils. Well, you can see the merit and some

1280
01:04:42,413 --> 01:04:44,653
Speaker 3: of the things they do, get a guys. Regional councils

1281
01:04:44,733 --> 01:04:47,933
Speaker 3: monitor rivers, flooding and build stop banks with the local

1282
01:04:47,933 --> 01:04:50,693
Speaker 3: councils bother with that. They monitor farm discharge into rivers

1283
01:04:50,693 --> 01:04:53,973
Speaker 3: for nitrates and phosphates, etc. What city council would bother

1284
01:04:54,333 --> 01:04:56,253
Speaker 3: with that. They do a lot of jobs that other

1285
01:04:56,293 --> 01:04:58,293
Speaker 3: councils couldn't be bothered with or would do poorly.

1286
01:04:59,213 --> 01:05:02,133
Speaker 2: The six there's time to als attack around council expenditure

1287
01:05:02,213 --> 01:05:05,893
Speaker 2: rather than argue over non essential essential expenditure, which invariably

1288
01:05:06,253 --> 01:05:10,173
Speaker 2: becomes a clash of class and cold. Fix a budget.

1289
01:05:10,293 --> 01:05:13,213
Speaker 2: Final essential assets and services take priority and must be

1290
01:05:13,253 --> 01:05:17,333
Speaker 2: fully funded. Any discretionary funds remaining a limitless ceiling presentee

1291
01:05:17,413 --> 01:05:20,893
Speaker 2: presently can be allocated to arts, beautification, et cetera. But

1292
01:05:21,013 --> 01:05:24,933
Speaker 2: not all within a fixed budget. Not but all within

1293
01:05:24,973 --> 01:05:29,293
Speaker 2: a fixed budget, not exceptions. No argument. That's from Pete,

1294
01:05:29,333 --> 01:05:31,333
Speaker 2: So he's basically, I mean it might be hard to

1295
01:05:31,373 --> 01:05:33,213
Speaker 2: decide when everything's fixed him and how long is a

1296
01:05:33,693 --> 01:05:37,453
Speaker 2: how long's a piece of strength? You know, everything's fixed,

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Speaker 2: everything works done. Yep, now let's put up a statue.

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Speaker 3: Exactly Wayne, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 4: Good? Thank you? It was really really company to hear

1300
01:05:50,533 --> 01:05:53,733
Speaker 4: the dead lady in here over and it was nice

1301
01:05:54,213 --> 01:05:56,533
Speaker 4: after I listen everything's happened during the day to see

1302
01:05:57,093 --> 01:05:59,933
Speaker 4: a bit of a bit of what happened was the

1303
01:05:59,933 --> 01:06:03,933
Speaker 4: company that looked after here. And she was very very plete.

1304
01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:05,933
Speaker 3: Yea, we're chuugh for it. Everyone needs an oven And

1305
01:06:05,973 --> 01:06:08,853
Speaker 3: that sounded like that macaroni cheese was d piping, not

1306
01:06:09,093 --> 01:06:10,213
Speaker 3: so which.

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01:06:10,013 --> 01:06:10,333
Speaker 2: Up for it.

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01:06:12,813 --> 01:06:14,853
Speaker 4: My story is probably little bit different from the regionals

1309
01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:15,853
Speaker 4: I used to be on.

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01:06:16,653 --> 01:06:17,773
Speaker 8: I was on the first.

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01:06:17,533 --> 01:06:21,413
Speaker 4: White Tackeri City Council that started in nineteen eighty nine,

1312
01:06:22,053 --> 01:06:24,773
Speaker 4: and I was elected on that first one that went through,

1313
01:06:25,213 --> 01:06:28,093
Speaker 4: and we went through for years. We had Tim Shadbot

1314
01:06:28,213 --> 01:06:31,133
Speaker 4: for a while as a corbentary, and then of course

1315
01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:35,413
Speaker 4: by Bob Harvey, and then of course then along came

1316
01:06:35,653 --> 01:06:39,013
Speaker 4: the supersity and everyone was thinking, oh my gosh. And

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01:06:40,053 --> 01:06:42,173
Speaker 4: I think a lot of the cales loaded up there

1318
01:06:42,253 --> 01:06:45,733
Speaker 4: dead onto the Auckland council and it was just become

1319
01:06:45,813 --> 01:06:49,813
Speaker 4: crazy and everyone's saying supersity, what supercity. It's not a supersity.

1320
01:06:49,813 --> 01:06:52,573
Speaker 4: It's all a load of garbage and things weren't going well.

1321
01:06:52,653 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 4: And of course, if you had a treeover of fence

1322
01:06:56,373 --> 01:06:57,933
Speaker 4: used to in the old days, used to be able

1323
01:06:57,973 --> 01:07:00,333
Speaker 4: to sort of go and get the parks guy. Hey

1324
01:07:00,333 --> 01:07:02,733
Speaker 4: can just get a guy with a chainsawn it and

1325
01:07:02,813 --> 01:07:05,093
Speaker 4: just trip that a couple of branches, whatever it is.

1326
01:07:05,533 --> 01:07:07,813
Speaker 4: And it was fine. And at the moment now with Auckland,

1327
01:07:07,853 --> 01:07:09,333
Speaker 4: you've got to you've got to go into a triple

1328
01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:11,373
Speaker 4: get and you've got to get health and safety and

1329
01:07:11,413 --> 01:07:14,653
Speaker 4: all sorts of stuff putting out canes and stuff to

1330
01:07:14,773 --> 01:07:15,493
Speaker 4: trim a branch.

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01:07:16,413 --> 01:07:19,333
Speaker 2: What do you say to the idea that, you know,

1332
01:07:19,373 --> 01:07:21,573
Speaker 2: the people that are making those decisions should be driving

1333
01:07:21,613 --> 01:07:24,533
Speaker 2: the streets every day that they make those decisions on.

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01:07:24,613 --> 01:07:27,173
Speaker 2: Because that's the argument, isn't it that if you are

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01:07:27,253 --> 01:07:30,853
Speaker 2: on the north shore of you know, of the super city,

1336
01:07:30,933 --> 01:07:33,933
Speaker 2: or if you're out in wait Tackley, your council offices

1337
01:07:33,933 --> 01:07:37,253
Speaker 2: should be in that area and you drive the place

1338
01:07:37,973 --> 01:07:40,093
Speaker 2: that and so you basically sit in your own filth.

1339
01:07:40,453 --> 01:07:42,253
Speaker 2: You have to live in the decisions you make.

1340
01:07:43,653 --> 01:07:47,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at the same time you're aware a

1341
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:51,053
Speaker 4: lot of those things because it's not the same as

1342
01:07:51,173 --> 01:07:56,053
Speaker 4: it is now. Things were done more less by somebody

1343
01:07:56,253 --> 01:07:57,693
Speaker 4: or can you go and do this, or can you

1344
01:07:57,733 --> 01:07:59,173
Speaker 4: go and do that? Or other than they have to

1345
01:07:59,173 --> 01:08:02,933
Speaker 4: go through all the paperwork and that we get today.

1346
01:08:03,093 --> 01:08:05,333
Speaker 4: It's said, really, but do.

1347
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:07,053
Speaker 2: You think anything got better with the super city?

1348
01:08:07,133 --> 01:08:07,613
Speaker 7: Wayne?

1349
01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:11,213
Speaker 2: Sorry, do you think anything got better with the super city?

1350
01:08:11,533 --> 01:08:14,773
Speaker 4: No? No, not far from it. Far from it. Rubbish

1351
01:08:14,813 --> 01:08:20,572
Speaker 4: and doing things and getting somebody. Look, in the old days,

1352
01:08:21,133 --> 01:08:25,093
Speaker 4: council or community board member like I was, you could

1353
01:08:25,133 --> 01:08:27,652
Speaker 4: get somebody you can from the public. They could actually

1354
01:08:27,732 --> 01:08:30,972
Speaker 4: ring you up or send your name. Ar Wayne, I've

1355
01:08:30,973 --> 01:08:34,173
Speaker 4: got this blah blah blah, and you could just go

1356
01:08:34,293 --> 01:08:37,973
Speaker 4: and see somebody and it got initiated straight away eventually.

1357
01:08:38,812 --> 01:08:42,012
Speaker 4: Now you just hasn't got that close constence, because I'm

1358
01:08:42,053 --> 01:08:46,732
Speaker 4: afraid councilors and the board members are on another level.

1359
01:08:47,213 --> 01:08:48,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good point.

1360
01:08:48,293 --> 01:08:53,852
Speaker 2: So you'd say city councils just councils, No regional councils, Wayne, Yes,

1361
01:08:54,133 --> 01:08:56,093
Speaker 2: or unitary whatever is.

1362
01:08:58,933 --> 01:09:01,852
Speaker 4: I was really good in the old days, were used

1363
01:09:01,853 --> 01:09:07,692
Speaker 4: to worry about the White Tackers and they're not. I'm

1364
01:09:07,692 --> 01:09:10,013
Speaker 4: a done whether I'm talking about the wrong thing, but I.

1365
01:09:10,732 --> 01:09:12,932
Speaker 2: No nopot on no love talking to you. And you've

1366
01:09:12,933 --> 01:09:14,932
Speaker 2: got to say, Bob Harvey, what a great New Zealander.

1367
01:09:15,013 --> 01:09:18,772
Speaker 3: Certainly, Yeah, see he's still he's still commenting on a

1368
01:09:18,812 --> 01:09:21,012
Speaker 3: few things, isn't he. Bob Harvey was a fantastic met

1369
01:09:21,053 --> 01:09:21,732
Speaker 3: for White Taki.

1370
01:09:21,973 --> 01:09:24,012
Speaker 2: He's eighty four years old, but I saw him speaking

1371
01:09:24,053 --> 01:09:25,652
Speaker 2: in intermediate a couple of years ago and you can

1372
01:09:25,692 --> 01:09:27,213
Speaker 2: tell the story of his life was very interesting.

1373
01:09:27,253 --> 01:09:29,492
Speaker 3: Absolute legend. Can you get your views on oh, eight

1374
01:09:29,572 --> 01:09:33,053
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty regional councils? Should we do

1375
01:09:33,133 --> 01:09:35,372
Speaker 3: away with them as Shane Jones wants or do they

1376
01:09:35,412 --> 01:09:37,612
Speaker 3: actually have a part to play? Love your thoughts. It's

1377
01:09:37,652 --> 01:09:39,333
Speaker 3: sixteen to two, Part.

1378
01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:42,652
Speaker 1: Three, The Issues that affect you and a bit of

1379
01:09:42,692 --> 01:09:46,013
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1380
01:09:46,213 --> 01:09:47,372
Speaker 1: new Stalk zbb.

1381
01:09:48,013 --> 01:09:50,652
Speaker 3: You stalk be very good point you've just.

1382
01:09:50,652 --> 01:09:53,772
Speaker 2: Made in the air break there, Tyler, Well, GEZ the

1383
01:09:53,853 --> 01:09:57,092
Speaker 2: gst on rates, Yeah, that is that is scummy behavior

1384
01:09:57,173 --> 01:09:59,492
Speaker 2: feels criminal, doesn't it? So you're paying rates for what

1385
01:09:59,532 --> 01:10:02,173
Speaker 2: you know, you're already paying huge amount of tax that

1386
01:10:02,213 --> 01:10:05,372
Speaker 2: we pay for central government and then you're paying rates

1387
01:10:05,492 --> 01:10:07,412
Speaker 2: and then they grab fifteen.

1388
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:08,213
Speaker 3: Percent triple dippy.

1389
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:11,053
Speaker 2: So here we go talk about to talk about this

1390
01:10:11,093 --> 01:10:12,213
Speaker 2: as well. It's the same point.

1391
01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:14,652
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've just stolen the thunder.

1392
01:10:14,692 --> 01:10:18,812
Speaker 2: You too, No, you add to the thunder because it's

1393
01:10:18,853 --> 01:10:21,053
Speaker 2: a revelation to me. I had never thought about that before. Rod.

1394
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:26,532
Speaker 5: No, well, you know it's not on. Let's put it

1395
01:10:26,572 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 5: this way. The rate payers throughout the country could get

1396
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:32,892
Speaker 5: a seventeen and a half percent. I think the GST

1397
01:10:33,093 --> 01:10:35,293
Speaker 5: is at the moment, doesn't I would have.

1398
01:10:35,253 --> 01:10:37,333
Speaker 3: To double check those numbers, but I did look this

1399
01:10:37,532 --> 01:10:39,732
Speaker 3: up on the GST and it would be no surprise

1400
01:10:39,812 --> 01:10:42,652
Speaker 3: to you, Rod, that local government New Zealand, and they

1401
01:10:42,812 --> 01:10:45,053
Speaker 3: represent a lot of the councils. Obviously they would like

1402
01:10:45,133 --> 01:10:48,253
Speaker 3: to see that GST return to them. And infor metrics

1403
01:10:48,293 --> 01:10:51,213
Speaker 3: calculated that would be one point one billion. So one

1404
01:10:51,213 --> 01:10:53,173
Speaker 3: point one billion is quite nice. But I imagine you

1405
01:10:53,173 --> 01:10:55,293
Speaker 3: don't want councils to get that money back. You would

1406
01:10:55,293 --> 01:10:57,053
Speaker 3: prefer the rate payers to get that money back.

1407
01:10:57,933 --> 01:11:03,532
Speaker 5: Well, there's two alternatives. Either they just eliminate GST on

1408
01:11:03,692 --> 01:11:08,093
Speaker 5: rates because rates is attacked. Let's face it, So what

1409
01:11:08,532 --> 01:11:11,972
Speaker 5: why are we paying a tax on another tax?

1410
01:11:12,452 --> 01:11:12,652
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1411
01:11:12,692 --> 01:11:15,012
Speaker 5: I mean put it this way, if you were suddenly

1412
01:11:15,732 --> 01:11:19,492
Speaker 5: asked to pay GST on your income tax, how would

1413
01:11:19,492 --> 01:11:19,932
Speaker 5: you feel?

1414
01:11:20,372 --> 01:11:22,932
Speaker 2: Yes, it's well, yeah, I mean the same argument can

1415
01:11:22,973 --> 01:11:25,772
Speaker 2: be made for you know, your your fuel tax and

1416
01:11:25,772 --> 01:11:27,772
Speaker 2: the excise tax. They put that all in before they

1417
01:11:27,812 --> 01:11:31,013
Speaker 2: then add GST on top of it, so what have you?

1418
01:11:32,013 --> 01:11:37,612
Speaker 5: Because the other alternative is that a certain proportion of GST,

1419
01:11:37,853 --> 01:11:40,652
Speaker 5: when it's generated in a certain area, it gets returned

1420
01:11:40,692 --> 01:11:46,812
Speaker 5: to that area. Now, yeah, the percent or ten percent

1421
01:11:46,893 --> 01:11:49,053
Speaker 5: goes back to the local government and they can use

1422
01:11:49,053 --> 01:11:53,132
Speaker 5: that to improve their infrastructure. And I mean that becomes

1423
01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:57,693
Speaker 5: very important for areas that have very small ratepayer bases

1424
01:11:58,612 --> 01:12:01,372
Speaker 5: because they you know, they're having to provide things for

1425
01:12:01,452 --> 01:12:04,253
Speaker 5: tourism and they can't actually afford it. It all comes

1426
01:12:04,293 --> 01:12:06,692
Speaker 5: back onto the ratepayer, and if they were to get

1427
01:12:06,692 --> 01:12:09,532
Speaker 5: some of that GST back, that would help ease the

1428
01:12:09,572 --> 01:12:11,173
Speaker 5: burden on the local ratepayers.

1429
01:12:11,253 --> 01:12:13,013
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a lot of money for the government to

1430
01:12:13,053 --> 01:12:16,333
Speaker 3: lose though, wasn't it one point one billion dollars in GST?

1431
01:12:16,492 --> 01:12:18,532
Speaker 3: So that was what was collected in twenty twenty two.

1432
01:12:18,532 --> 01:12:20,333
Speaker 3: According to for Metrics.

1433
01:12:20,933 --> 01:12:24,053
Speaker 5: That another way to get it. I'd find another way

1434
01:12:24,093 --> 01:12:26,173
Speaker 5: to get it, wouldn't they cool?

1435
01:12:26,293 --> 01:12:29,253
Speaker 2: So returning GST on rates to councils would cost one

1436
01:12:29,253 --> 01:12:31,612
Speaker 2: point one billion. It's funny how they put it like that,

1437
01:12:31,652 --> 01:12:35,293
Speaker 2: because it's currently costing ratepayers one point one billion. So

1438
01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:38,372
Speaker 2: you're paying for something to happen in your town, but

1439
01:12:38,492 --> 01:12:41,772
Speaker 2: that money's disappearing. Yeah, so that's is.

1440
01:12:41,772 --> 01:12:44,333
Speaker 3: That triple de that's probably almost quad deping at that point.

1441
01:12:44,372 --> 01:12:46,093
Speaker 2: Well, you should at least and look, I'm not sure

1442
01:12:46,093 --> 01:12:48,852
Speaker 2: if this is happening. I don't think it is, judging

1443
01:12:48,893 --> 01:12:51,452
Speaker 2: by the outrage and getting on the text machine, but

1444
01:12:51,492 --> 01:12:53,372
Speaker 2: councils should at least be able to claim or the

1445
01:12:53,372 --> 01:12:56,532
Speaker 2: GST they pay the government back. Yeah, so whenever they,

1446
01:12:57,333 --> 01:12:59,933
Speaker 2: you know, they buy goods and services, they should be

1447
01:12:59,933 --> 01:13:01,492
Speaker 2: able to get the GSD back on.

1448
01:13:01,532 --> 01:13:02,333
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

1449
01:13:02,732 --> 01:13:04,612
Speaker 2: Otherwise, you dirty central government?

1450
01:13:04,812 --> 01:13:06,532
Speaker 3: What do you say that eight hundred and eighty ten

1451
01:13:06,572 --> 01:13:08,852
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call? It is ten three?

1452
01:13:09,173 --> 01:13:11,652
Speaker 2: This Texas says, get rid of authorities altogether, let people

1453
01:13:11,692 --> 01:13:12,573
Speaker 2: fend for themselves.

1454
01:13:12,732 --> 01:13:13,412
Speaker 3: Mats chime.

1455
01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:18,253
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1456
01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:22,213
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1457
01:13:22,213 --> 01:13:22,532
Speaker 1: It'd be.

1458
01:13:24,253 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 3: It is seven to three, Jason says.

1459
01:13:26,772 --> 01:13:28,732
Speaker 2: When you think about it, though, we pay income tax

1460
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:30,532
Speaker 2: and then all of the other taxes on top of

1461
01:13:30,572 --> 01:13:32,452
Speaker 2: that as well. I would love to see either income

1462
01:13:32,452 --> 01:13:34,572
Speaker 2: tax and no GST or high a GST with no

1463
01:13:34,612 --> 01:13:36,532
Speaker 2: income tax. Yeah. Right now, we pay an insane amount

1464
01:13:36,532 --> 01:13:38,572
Speaker 2: of tax, and then there's people lining up to tell

1465
01:13:38,572 --> 01:13:42,532
Speaker 2: you that your scum. The biggest taxpayers are scum and

1466
01:13:42,532 --> 01:13:43,133
Speaker 2: should pay more.

1467
01:13:43,253 --> 01:13:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they can slip through a tax.

1468
01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:48,012
Speaker 2: It's one thing that as much tax, but it's another

1469
01:13:48,053 --> 01:13:50,372
Speaker 2: thing to be paying a whole heapertax and people still

1470
01:13:50,412 --> 01:13:50,972
Speaker 2: abusing you.

1471
01:13:50,973 --> 01:13:51,893
Speaker 3: For it exactly.

1472
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Speaker 2: Simon, Welcome to the show, Simon Wolf. How are you?

1473
01:13:55,853 --> 01:13:59,572
Speaker 7: Yeah, hi guy, Yeah, you might know. I've had experience

1474
01:13:59,612 --> 01:14:03,052
Speaker 7: in both areas of local government in the regional council

1475
01:14:03,173 --> 01:14:06,732
Speaker 7: now in nine years on the city council, and local

1476
01:14:06,772 --> 01:14:11,172
Speaker 7: government is a mess. It needs review, it needs reform,

1477
01:14:11,772 --> 01:14:16,372
Speaker 7: but also central government need to treat it more seriously

1478
01:14:16,893 --> 01:14:21,452
Speaker 7: as a vehicle that that can be more effective and

1479
01:14:21,492 --> 01:14:24,853
Speaker 7: more efficient. And you know, Wellington's a really good example.

1480
01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:29,212
Speaker 7: You know, we on the regional council, we have the environment,

1481
01:14:29,293 --> 01:14:32,732
Speaker 7: we have transport, but you know where where where we're

1482
01:14:33,293 --> 01:14:38,612
Speaker 7: sort of interlinked with a rural a big rural area

1483
01:14:38,652 --> 01:14:40,612
Speaker 7: to the north of us, in an urban area in

1484
01:14:41,492 --> 01:14:46,013
Speaker 7: within Wellington, but there's a lot of cross subsidization there.

1485
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:51,532
Speaker 7: There's it just needs to be streamlined more. Part of

1486
01:14:51,572 --> 01:14:56,253
Speaker 7: the big problem with cost is government compliance and party politics.

1487
01:14:56,853 --> 01:15:01,412
Speaker 7: Each time a government puts out a national policy statement,

1488
01:15:02,253 --> 01:15:05,972
Speaker 7: generally a council will have to to move and change.

1489
01:15:06,372 --> 01:15:10,772
Speaker 7: But there's nothing, no remuw generation to help that happen.

1490
01:15:11,973 --> 01:15:14,692
Speaker 7: So you have to employ, don't you you you you

1491
01:15:14,853 --> 01:15:20,772
Speaker 7: really You've got new new lines that you've you've got

1492
01:15:20,812 --> 01:15:26,052
Speaker 7: to sort out. So it's it's interesting, but certainly from

1493
01:15:26,053 --> 01:15:29,932
Speaker 7: my experience, it's not getting any better. It's getting worse.

1494
01:15:31,173 --> 01:15:33,692
Speaker 7: One of the things that I should just let you

1495
01:15:33,692 --> 01:15:35,452
Speaker 7: guys know is that there are there are three or

1496
01:15:35,452 --> 01:15:40,492
Speaker 7: four different types of council. People are getting confused district council.

1497
01:15:40,933 --> 01:15:43,812
Speaker 7: You've got a district council, you've got a city council,

1498
01:15:44,692 --> 01:15:47,612
Speaker 7: and you've you've got a regional council. And then in

1499
01:15:47,652 --> 01:15:52,372
Speaker 7: Auckland you've got a unitary and I think with Wellington

1500
01:15:52,652 --> 01:15:56,732
Speaker 7: we should be looking to have a phased amalgamation, you know,

1501
01:15:57,053 --> 01:16:01,892
Speaker 7: the two huts together, Wellington and PORI Ruh together to

1502
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:04,852
Speaker 7: start off with maybe a carpety and horror FORU and

1503
01:16:04,933 --> 01:16:09,852
Speaker 7: the wire wrapper or all to phase this amalgam.

1504
01:16:10,173 --> 01:16:13,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, Simon, we've we're hot against the news, but we've

1505
01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:15,972
Speaker 3: got more questions for you. So we'd love to bring

1506
01:16:16,013 --> 01:16:19,052
Speaker 3: you back after the news and throw this. Yeah, you'll

1507
01:16:19,093 --> 01:16:20,812
Speaker 3: be all right with that perfect you just told.

1508
01:16:21,372 --> 01:16:22,972
Speaker 7: Yep, and I'm not scared at all.

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01:16:23,093 --> 01:16:24,852
Speaker 3: You're a good man. We can see that.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, we're gonna have to get you to speak really

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01:16:26,452 --> 01:16:28,052
Speaker 2: fast and some key points.

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01:16:28,372 --> 01:16:30,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm happy to wait.

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01:16:30,213 --> 01:16:32,732
Speaker 2: We're already confusing types of councils, so we need to

1514
01:16:33,013 --> 01:16:34,252
Speaker 2: we need to ask you some questions.

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01:16:34,372 --> 01:16:36,812
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to come back with with counselor at

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01:16:36,853 --> 01:16:40,412
Speaker 3: Simon will very shortly New Sport and Weather on its way.

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01:16:40,612 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 3: Great TV you company. If you've got a question about

1518
01:16:42,412 --> 01:16:44,812
Speaker 3: regional council, you can tix it through nine to nine too,

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01:16:44,812 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 3: and we'll put that to Simon and about five minutes time,

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01:16:48,612 --> 01:16:50,772
Speaker 3: New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to

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01:16:50,812 --> 01:16:52,572
Speaker 3: matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to.

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01:16:52,612 --> 01:17:05,852
Speaker 1: You your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's

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01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:09,692
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoon on News Talk.

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01:17:09,812 --> 01:17:13,253
Speaker 3: Sebby, Good afternoon, Gi, you welcome back into the program.

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01:17:13,412 --> 01:17:16,492
Speaker 3: Seven a past three. Now before the news, we've got

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01:17:16,492 --> 01:17:19,052
Speaker 3: a call from Simon Wolf. He has been a city

1527
01:17:19,053 --> 01:17:22,293
Speaker 3: councilor and is now a regional councilor in Wellington, so

1528
01:17:22,372 --> 01:17:24,772
Speaker 3: he is a very good person to chat to when

1529
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:28,852
Speaker 3: it comes to this discussion about regional councils and their worths. Simon,

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01:17:28,893 --> 01:17:29,652
Speaker 3: thanks for hanging on.

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01:17:30,452 --> 01:17:32,132
Speaker 7: Thanks Matton, tylerne pleasure.

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01:17:32,372 --> 01:17:34,732
Speaker 2: Now now Simon, as you pointed out, we've all got

1533
01:17:34,772 --> 01:17:37,692
Speaker 2: tangled up and tripped up and everyone's talking about different things.

1534
01:17:37,692 --> 01:17:41,253
Speaker 2: The being infused and we should have probably sorted this

1535
01:17:41,293 --> 01:17:43,772
Speaker 2: out right at the start of last hour, but just

1536
01:17:43,893 --> 01:17:46,293
Speaker 2: so we are all talking about the same thing, can

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01:17:46,333 --> 01:17:50,452
Speaker 2: you briefly explain the key differences between regional councils and

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01:17:50,612 --> 01:17:54,133
Speaker 2: city or district councils and unitary councils.

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01:17:55,492 --> 01:17:59,412
Speaker 7: Well, probably the best example is Wellington with it having

1540
01:17:59,452 --> 01:18:03,772
Speaker 7: a city council which handles the the urban requirement of

1541
01:18:04,133 --> 01:18:06,412
Speaker 7: it should be the pipes and the roads and the

1542
01:18:06,452 --> 01:18:10,692
Speaker 7: parks and the libraries, but it does get into other things.

1543
01:18:10,732 --> 01:18:16,012
Speaker 7: Whereas the regional council is the region of four hundred

1544
01:18:16,053 --> 01:18:19,852
Speaker 7: and fifty thousand going up to Wrapper and across to

1545
01:18:20,173 --> 01:18:24,092
Speaker 7: Otaki and down back to Wellington, and it's urban and rural,

1546
01:18:24,133 --> 01:18:28,652
Speaker 7: but it handles really only the public transport offering the

1547
01:18:28,692 --> 01:18:33,093
Speaker 7: trains in the in the buses, and also the environment

1548
01:18:33,293 --> 01:18:35,732
Speaker 7: which is a very very technical area. In fact, both

1549
01:18:35,772 --> 01:18:36,812
Speaker 7: are technical areas.

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01:18:37,173 --> 01:18:39,492
Speaker 2: So we've got little council, we've got other little councils

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01:18:39,652 --> 01:18:43,572
Speaker 2: underneath that major regional council as well, not under but

1552
01:18:43,933 --> 01:18:44,972
Speaker 2: you know in the same district.

1553
01:18:45,772 --> 01:18:48,412
Speaker 7: Yeah, within the within our district. You know, we've got

1554
01:18:48,452 --> 01:18:54,693
Speaker 7: some carpety obviously the two huts and also.

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01:18:54,853 --> 01:18:55,532
Speaker 11: The three.

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01:18:57,293 --> 01:19:01,812
Speaker 7: Councils in in the wrap, so you know, like it's

1557
01:19:01,812 --> 01:19:07,253
Speaker 7: a hotchpotch and each have their different prerequisites and it's

1558
01:19:07,253 --> 01:19:10,772
Speaker 7: it's really really hard to align the ball fairly.

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01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:15,492
Speaker 3: Do community boards play any part with regional councils? What

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01:19:15,572 --> 01:19:17,572
Speaker 3: they bring to the table at the community level, does

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01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:20,133
Speaker 3: that have any bearing at the regional council levering.

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01:19:20,812 --> 01:19:24,932
Speaker 7: No, No, regional council well, our regional council certainly doesn't

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01:19:24,973 --> 01:19:30,532
Speaker 7: have community boards, but we do align ourselves with some

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01:19:30,652 --> 01:19:35,133
Speaker 7: of the community boards that are more rurally aligned, you know,

1565
01:19:35,173 --> 01:19:39,492
Speaker 7: like I go along to Macro Ohario Community Board from

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01:19:39,532 --> 01:19:43,932
Speaker 7: time to time when they have difficulties with the farming

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01:19:44,013 --> 01:19:47,173
Speaker 7: or the environmental sort of side. But there again is

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01:19:47,213 --> 01:19:50,892
Speaker 7: an anomaly because we actually should have more involvement with

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01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:58,213
Speaker 7: those communities. Shane Shane Jones and his little speech last week,

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01:19:58,253 --> 01:20:03,893
Speaker 7: he knew exactly what he was doing, serving up some

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01:20:04,333 --> 01:20:08,133
Speaker 7: publicity about regional councils, and I think he was more

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01:20:08,853 --> 01:20:12,532
Speaker 7: it was more with and more. It was more talking

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01:20:12,572 --> 01:20:15,253
Speaker 7: about not just the regional councils, but the district and

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01:20:15,333 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 7: the city councils that were in the regions. And Shame's

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01:20:19,652 --> 01:20:23,172
Speaker 7: really good at this. I just hope that he drives

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01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:27,892
Speaker 7: some some review and reform because it's really really important.

1577
01:20:27,973 --> 01:20:32,013
Speaker 7: It is costing us, it's costing everyone, and you know,

1578
01:20:32,053 --> 01:20:37,333
Speaker 7: there's it's in a way part of the problem is parochialism.

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01:20:37,732 --> 01:20:40,293
Speaker 7: Some of and some of your call has talked about,

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01:20:40,572 --> 01:20:43,253
Speaker 7: you know, we're only five million and we've got all

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01:20:43,293 --> 01:20:46,813
Speaker 7: these little councils. We would be much more effective efficient

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01:20:47,133 --> 01:20:52,973
Speaker 7: and especially from a rate paying perspective, if some of

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01:20:53,213 --> 01:21:00,253
Speaker 7: the councils were merged and were amalgamated, and particularly you

1584
01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:04,293
Speaker 7: look at the issues with water. You know, the great

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01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:07,892
Speaker 7: at Wellington Regional Council and the City councils all have

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01:21:08,053 --> 01:21:11,812
Speaker 7: part interests. You know, there's a lot of duplication and

1587
01:21:11,893 --> 01:21:16,732
Speaker 7: triplication going on and it's really full, it's really full hearty.

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01:21:16,933 --> 01:21:20,892
Speaker 7: It's not practical or pragmatic. But I think you're probably

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01:21:20,893 --> 01:21:25,612
Speaker 7: the biggest issue within councils generally. And I've experienced both

1590
01:21:27,253 --> 01:21:30,293
Speaker 7: both the good and the bad of this is where

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01:21:30,372 --> 01:21:33,732
Speaker 7: councils either have a good culture or a bad culture.

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01:21:34,532 --> 01:21:37,132
Speaker 7: And you know, like coming from the Wellington City Council

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01:21:37,213 --> 01:21:41,052
Speaker 7: to the Regional Council, I would just never go back.

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01:21:41,253 --> 01:21:41,452
Speaker 13: You know.

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01:21:41,532 --> 01:21:45,772
Speaker 7: The Regional Council has great leadership all the way through.

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01:21:47,053 --> 01:21:54,652
Speaker 7: It's structured really really well. The counselors have expertise and

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01:21:55,173 --> 01:21:57,452
Speaker 7: if I was to say anything, you know, like I'm

1598
01:21:57,492 --> 01:22:01,293
Speaker 7: on a steep learning curve in my first term. But

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01:22:02,053 --> 01:22:05,372
Speaker 7: there isn't the party politics that you got in the

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01:22:05,412 --> 01:22:09,133
Speaker 7: Wellington City Council. And we've been able to make decisions

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01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:14,492
Speaker 7: and have robust conversations. There's creative creative tension quite a

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01:22:14,532 --> 01:22:17,972
Speaker 7: lot of the time, but we work together to try

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01:22:17,973 --> 01:22:22,293
Speaker 7: and create solutions. We're not perfect and the model of

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01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:26,333
Speaker 7: of of councils is just terrible.

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01:22:26,452 --> 01:22:26,572
Speaker 17: You know.

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01:22:26,732 --> 01:22:29,532
Speaker 2: So would you suggest, would you suggest just regional councils then,

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01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:32,533
Speaker 2: so less councils, just regional councils.

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01:22:32,732 --> 01:22:36,532
Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't call them regional councils. There would be

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01:22:36,572 --> 01:22:39,013
Speaker 7: some some other turn that you know.

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01:22:39,093 --> 01:22:40,532
Speaker 2: Well, if there was only then they could just be

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01:22:40,532 --> 01:22:41,452
Speaker 2: called councils.

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01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:46,972
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think. I think so with with community boards

1613
01:22:46,973 --> 01:22:50,133
Speaker 7: feeding in, I think that's really really important because you've

1614
01:22:50,173 --> 01:22:53,533
Speaker 7: got to have the engagement and the feedback.

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01:22:53,772 --> 01:22:58,412
Speaker 2: This might this might seem like a silly question, but

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01:22:59,013 --> 01:23:02,692
Speaker 2: if there's you say, this duplication, so who has the

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01:23:02,732 --> 01:23:05,652
Speaker 2: final say? So if there's if there's if you've got

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01:23:05,692 --> 01:23:09,253
Speaker 2: the city Council and the regional council disagree on something

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01:23:09,532 --> 01:23:13,092
Speaker 2: in a duplicated area, who who has the authority?

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01:23:14,173 --> 01:23:16,412
Speaker 7: Well they just fight it out. And you know that's

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01:23:16,452 --> 01:23:20,852
Speaker 7: what's happening at the moment with Wellington City and the

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01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:25,412
Speaker 7: Regional Council. In relation to the regional Council has the buses,

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01:23:26,093 --> 01:23:29,133
Speaker 7: and the city council is the road enabling authority and

1624
01:23:29,253 --> 01:23:32,093
Speaker 7: says where you can put bus stops and what you

1625
01:23:32,133 --> 01:23:39,293
Speaker 7: can where you can put yellow that it's absolutely a

1626
01:23:39,412 --> 01:23:44,293
Speaker 7: terrible situation that occurs. And with that you have your

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01:23:44,372 --> 01:23:47,852
Speaker 7: political views that influence what goes on there. And you

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01:23:47,853 --> 01:23:53,652
Speaker 7: can have the most reasonable, pragmatic officials or even on

1629
01:23:53,652 --> 01:23:58,972
Speaker 7: one side, elected people, and on the other you might

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01:23:59,053 --> 01:24:05,093
Speaker 7: have ideology and it's gonna just stalemates and you get

1631
01:24:05,133 --> 01:24:09,892
Speaker 7: all this conflict that who pays the rpe Well.

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01:24:09,772 --> 01:24:13,333
Speaker 3: Even outside of the even outside of the elected councilor's simon,

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01:24:13,372 --> 01:24:17,253
Speaker 3: would you agree that at the city council or the

1634
01:24:17,532 --> 01:24:20,973
Speaker 3: council level staff members sometimes it's the tail wagging the

1635
01:24:21,013 --> 01:24:23,892
Speaker 3: dog where it appears regional council, you as an elected

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01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:27,772
Speaker 3: member have more say.

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01:24:26,253 --> 01:24:28,852
Speaker 7: Yeah, I haven't found that at regional council. I certainly

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01:24:28,893 --> 01:24:31,372
Speaker 7: found it in the city council. Of my nine years,

1639
01:24:31,572 --> 01:24:36,532
Speaker 7: I certainly found that there were areas there that people

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01:24:36,612 --> 01:24:42,612
Speaker 7: perats protected. You know, they've ren fenced themselves, and it

1641
01:24:42,652 --> 01:24:46,652
Speaker 7: wouldn't have mattered what sort of votes went through that

1642
01:24:46,933 --> 01:24:48,932
Speaker 7: if there had been changed, it would have been really

1643
01:24:48,973 --> 01:24:52,812
Speaker 7: really slow. If any whereas the situation that I found

1644
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:57,053
Speaker 7: on the regional council, that that does not happen. Fortunately,

1645
01:24:57,093 --> 01:25:01,412
Speaker 7: we have a two really strong leaders politically and operationally,

1646
01:25:02,532 --> 01:25:07,253
Speaker 7: and I think they're both really pragmatic people focused, they

1647
01:25:07,293 --> 01:25:12,213
Speaker 7: have empathy, and they have technical expertise as well, and

1648
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:15,173
Speaker 7: they lead us really well. And you know we're not

1649
01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:18,852
Speaker 7: we're not faultless. You know that we're certainly not. And

1650
01:25:19,692 --> 01:25:22,293
Speaker 7: the other thing is that you know you're having to

1651
01:25:23,412 --> 01:25:26,973
Speaker 7: jump through hoops and change direction all the time. You

1652
01:25:27,013 --> 01:25:32,652
Speaker 7: know that the continuity and consistency largely because of government

1653
01:25:33,213 --> 01:25:37,532
Speaker 7: and the national policy statements, You're you're always on edge,

1654
01:25:37,652 --> 01:25:42,213
Speaker 7: and it doesn't matter what council you're on. You have

1655
01:25:42,372 --> 01:25:47,133
Speaker 7: to to refocus and reprioritize all the time, and something

1656
01:25:47,213 --> 01:25:49,772
Speaker 7: is going to get left behind. And that that is why,

1657
01:25:49,973 --> 01:25:54,453
Speaker 7: that's the big reason why I believe that that councils

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01:25:54,532 --> 01:25:59,852
Speaker 7: are wieldly and that central government doesn't take local government

1659
01:26:00,133 --> 01:26:04,253
Speaker 7: seriously enough to be able to have them both work

1660
01:26:04,372 --> 01:26:05,012
Speaker 7: the right way.

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01:26:05,492 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 2: Now, if we think that regional would be better than having,

1662
01:26:09,093 --> 01:26:11,213
Speaker 2: you know, like larger councils, why don't we just take

1663
01:26:11,253 --> 01:26:13,772
Speaker 2: it right to the top and just have central government.

1664
01:26:13,772 --> 01:26:16,612
Speaker 2: There's only five million of us, So why don't the

1665
01:26:16,652 --> 01:26:18,973
Speaker 2: decision making all get done by central government? I don't know,

1666
01:26:18,973 --> 01:26:24,572
Speaker 2: you could empower electorate MPs or some form of I

1667
01:26:24,572 --> 01:26:26,612
Speaker 2: don't know, an MP for each each part of the

1668
01:26:26,612 --> 01:26:29,013
Speaker 2: country or whatever. Why why don't we just expand it

1669
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:31,892
Speaker 2: out that central government makes all the decisions.

1670
01:26:31,692 --> 01:26:36,772
Speaker 7: Because I think that you know, central government, they couldn't

1671
01:26:36,853 --> 01:26:41,772
Speaker 7: cop you know, I believe that the workload of a

1672
01:26:43,053 --> 01:26:48,492
Speaker 7: city councilor in particular, and regional councilors in metros in

1673
01:26:48,532 --> 01:26:54,372
Speaker 7: particular is huge. You know, it's a really really big workload.

1674
01:26:55,293 --> 01:26:58,652
Speaker 7: I'm not it's not just being too disparaging of MPs,

1675
01:26:58,652 --> 01:27:02,612
Speaker 7: but I'm not sure that that within what they have

1676
01:27:02,812 --> 01:27:06,532
Speaker 7: to handle currently, and to have that added on would

1677
01:27:06,572 --> 01:27:10,973
Speaker 7: be a good thing. Let alone, you do want the

1678
01:27:11,492 --> 01:27:19,852
Speaker 7: democratic process, that there is the need to have localism represented.

1679
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:24,532
Speaker 7: I think, you know, count the less layers the better.

1680
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:28,532
Speaker 7: Mat and Tyler. Really there are too many layers. But

1681
01:27:28,652 --> 01:27:32,972
Speaker 7: I don't think canning councils is the right right way.

1682
01:27:33,173 --> 01:27:37,733
Speaker 7: It's scanning some of the it's condensing stuff so that

1683
01:27:38,093 --> 01:27:40,652
Speaker 7: it takes away some of the conflict and the costs.

1684
01:27:41,732 --> 01:27:44,812
Speaker 3: Simon great to get your expertise, Thank you very much,

1685
01:27:44,973 --> 01:27:49,133
Speaker 3: and good to break that down, and good luck going

1686
01:27:49,173 --> 01:27:51,612
Speaker 3: forward with your regional council role. I was going to

1687
01:27:51,612 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 3: say it was a bit like Turkey voting for Christmas.

1688
01:27:53,853 --> 01:27:57,452
Speaker 3: But I think to Simon's point, he would prefer regional

1689
01:27:57,452 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 3: council to become just the council and you take party

1690
01:28:01,253 --> 01:28:03,732
Speaker 3: politics and in fighting away from it, and he's found

1691
01:28:03,732 --> 01:28:07,253
Speaker 3: regional councils far nicer, less toxic environment than the city council.

1692
01:28:07,293 --> 01:28:07,452
Speaker 10: World.

1693
01:28:07,452 --> 01:28:09,732
Speaker 2: Well, how about this one idea which will people that?

1694
01:28:10,532 --> 01:28:11,933
Speaker 2: Well before I was saying they, I don't think the

1695
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:15,012
Speaker 2: super city works because I think people on the North

1696
01:28:15,053 --> 01:28:19,612
Speaker 2: Shore and people and we stalk them have very different needs. Right,

1697
01:28:20,013 --> 01:28:25,412
Speaker 2: but let's just for argument's sake. Four councils, Okay, South Island, yeah,

1698
01:28:25,652 --> 01:28:29,652
Speaker 2: Lower North Island, Central North Island, Upper North Island.

1699
01:28:29,973 --> 01:28:31,333
Speaker 3: One for the South Islands.

1700
01:28:31,532 --> 01:28:35,612
Speaker 2: Well population wise, right, so you know three quarters of

1701
01:28:35,612 --> 01:28:38,133
Speaker 2: the population live in the North Island, so you have

1702
01:28:38,293 --> 01:28:41,972
Speaker 2: just one South Island council and three North Island councils.

1703
01:28:42,013 --> 01:28:44,253
Speaker 3: I don't like it. You know, the numbers stack up

1704
01:28:44,293 --> 01:28:47,532
Speaker 3: for you population wise, but no, no Southland, at least.

1705
01:28:47,772 --> 01:28:52,253
Speaker 2: Your dirty cantabs would forget about the headquarters would be

1706
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:54,972
Speaker 2: in christ Church, and you guys would completely forget about

1707
01:28:55,013 --> 01:28:57,173
Speaker 2: dned and in Vicargol and Nelson, wouldn't.

1708
01:28:56,812 --> 01:28:58,772
Speaker 3: You In that case, I'm actually down for that a

1709
01:28:58,853 --> 01:29:02,492
Speaker 3: great idea, Simon, thank you very much for giving us

1710
01:29:02,492 --> 01:29:04,412
Speaker 3: a bars in your expertise. That was great. Right, We're

1711
01:29:04,452 --> 01:29:06,852
Speaker 3: going to play some messages and when we come back,

1712
01:29:07,173 --> 01:29:09,173
Speaker 3: we want to have a chat about the likes of

1713
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:11,812
Speaker 3: Uber each, door Dash and Milk Run. Have we become

1714
01:29:11,893 --> 01:29:16,572
Speaker 3: too lazy? We'll find out very soon. It is nineteen

1715
01:29:16,612 --> 01:29:21,412
Speaker 3: past three, very good afternoon tune twenty one past three,

1716
01:29:21,452 --> 01:29:23,732
Speaker 3: So let's have a chat about this. Milk and bread

1717
01:29:23,732 --> 01:29:27,333
Speaker 3: to the door supermarkets are adapting. Is the small order

1718
01:29:27,412 --> 01:29:30,333
Speaker 3: deliveries takeoff, so popp into the supermarket for milk or

1719
01:29:30,372 --> 01:29:32,893
Speaker 3: bread or your whole grocery run for that matter. Is

1720
01:29:32,933 --> 01:29:35,652
Speaker 3: becoming a thing of the past as shoppers are dialing

1721
01:29:35,732 --> 01:29:39,172
Speaker 3: up the same day delivery online to get essentials delivered.

1722
01:29:39,213 --> 01:29:42,412
Speaker 3: So these are apps that we have been using for

1723
01:29:42,452 --> 01:29:45,253
Speaker 3: some time, like Uber Eats, for example, door Dash and

1724
01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:48,213
Speaker 3: a new contender that I believe either launched this year

1725
01:29:48,293 --> 01:29:50,772
Speaker 3: or late last year, Milk run. It is now so

1726
01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:54,692
Speaker 3: strong that some local supermarkets are having to grow their

1727
01:29:55,133 --> 01:29:59,532
Speaker 3: office hours to accommodate these out of office orders that

1728
01:29:59,572 --> 01:30:01,533
Speaker 3: they're getting through their websites.

1729
01:30:01,652 --> 01:30:04,293
Speaker 2: How lazy are people and disorganized? That's the problem, isn't it.

1730
01:30:04,293 --> 01:30:07,253
Speaker 2: And when I say people, I mean me because you know,

1731
01:30:07,612 --> 01:30:12,333
Speaker 2: I'm ordering my my groceries rather than going in and look,

1732
01:30:12,333 --> 01:30:15,173
Speaker 2: it doesn't help that my favorite supermarket burned down the

1733
01:30:15,173 --> 01:30:17,173
Speaker 2: other day to say, I mean, I'll give you that

1734
01:30:17,213 --> 01:30:20,053
Speaker 2: one because I used to enjoy going to that supermarket.

1735
01:30:20,293 --> 01:30:22,532
Speaker 2: But is it just lazy? You know, we've got this

1736
01:30:22,652 --> 01:30:25,293
Speaker 2: sort of obesity epidemic in this country. We're getting fatter

1737
01:30:25,492 --> 01:30:29,412
Speaker 2: and fatter, and yet we're doing less and less. So

1738
01:30:29,772 --> 01:30:31,732
Speaker 2: if you can't even leave your house to go browsing,

1739
01:30:31,772 --> 01:30:34,812
Speaker 2: I mean, our ancestors used to have to hunt down

1740
01:30:35,253 --> 01:30:38,213
Speaker 2: a wally mammoth with a spear all day. It would

1741
01:30:38,213 --> 01:30:40,372
Speaker 2: take them, yeah, and then bring home dinner. Now we

1742
01:30:40,412 --> 01:30:42,852
Speaker 2: can't even be bothered walking around with a trolley to

1743
01:30:42,893 --> 01:30:45,613
Speaker 2: just pick things off shelves. Now we've become so pathetic

1744
01:30:45,933 --> 01:30:49,572
Speaker 2: that we sit at home, including me, and just press

1745
01:30:49,572 --> 01:30:52,612
Speaker 2: some buttons. It's just moving our little fingers and like

1746
01:30:52,772 --> 01:30:55,093
Speaker 2: if you're me. Sometimes I'm sitting downstairs and I'll just

1747
01:30:55,213 --> 01:30:57,253
Speaker 2: order something because I can't be bothered going upstairs to

1748
01:30:57,333 --> 01:30:57,933
Speaker 2: check if we've got it.

1749
01:30:57,973 --> 01:30:59,412
Speaker 3: In the French, you lazy bugger.

1750
01:30:59,812 --> 01:31:02,133
Speaker 2: I sit there and I go Tracy, if we got onions,

1751
01:31:02,293 --> 01:31:03,692
Speaker 2: She's like, go up and have a look. I'll get

1752
01:31:03,732 --> 01:31:06,093
Speaker 2: them just in case. Then you pile them on the

1753
01:31:06,093 --> 01:31:08,052
Speaker 2: onions that you've got the last three weeks in a row,

1754
01:31:08,333 --> 01:31:09,172
Speaker 2: one of them are sprouting.

1755
01:31:09,372 --> 01:31:11,972
Speaker 3: So you advocating for a step counter next to what

1756
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 3: if you're buying your bananas. Unless you can prove that

1757
01:31:14,572 --> 01:31:16,772
Speaker 3: you've done a thousand steps to earn those bananas, you're

1758
01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:17,333
Speaker 3: not getting them.

1759
01:31:17,372 --> 01:31:19,293
Speaker 2: I just believe if we did all the chores, the

1760
01:31:19,412 --> 01:31:22,852
Speaker 2: very basic chores that we used to do, then we

1761
01:31:22,893 --> 01:31:25,012
Speaker 2: would probably be fine. We'd probably be healthy, we probably

1762
01:31:25,053 --> 01:31:26,692
Speaker 2: wouldn't need to go to the gym. Yeah, but we're

1763
01:31:26,732 --> 01:31:28,933
Speaker 2: just finding ways to do less and less. There's a

1764
01:31:28,973 --> 01:31:33,133
Speaker 2: study that said that found that just remote controls and

1765
01:31:33,173 --> 01:31:36,372
Speaker 2: that laziness of sitting there and not even moving at all,

1766
01:31:36,452 --> 01:31:39,293
Speaker 2: just to change channels with remote control. Back in the day,

1767
01:31:39,412 --> 01:31:40,893
Speaker 2: you know, and back in the day when I was

1768
01:31:40,893 --> 01:31:43,532
Speaker 2: a kid, my dad had control of the dial or

1769
01:31:43,572 --> 01:31:46,532
Speaker 2: the buttons on the TV. But even is right, Yeah,

1770
01:31:46,612 --> 01:31:49,973
Speaker 2: even its getting up complaining about the rubbish that was on,

1771
01:31:50,492 --> 01:31:52,492
Speaker 2: walking over and pressing the button and then walking back

1772
01:31:52,532 --> 01:31:55,572
Speaker 2: down was enough to stop and going into a sedentary state.

1773
01:31:55,692 --> 01:31:57,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Oh e one hundred and eighty ten to eighty.

1774
01:31:57,893 --> 01:32:00,732
Speaker 3: Have we got too lazy? Certainly we are time for

1775
01:32:00,933 --> 01:32:02,772
Speaker 3: I mean, the only reason I'd actually go into the

1776
01:32:02,772 --> 01:32:06,173
Speaker 3: supermarket to do the weekly shopping is I'm not organized

1777
01:32:06,253 --> 01:32:09,852
Speaker 3: enough to actually get online and the order. So I

1778
01:32:09,853 --> 01:32:12,293
Speaker 3: don't know what that makes meat just poor planning, but

1779
01:32:13,013 --> 01:32:15,013
Speaker 3: you're kind of for me. I just walk around like

1780
01:32:15,013 --> 01:32:18,093
Speaker 3: a zombie, trying to find various different items. I walk

1781
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:21,173
Speaker 3: up and down the aisles. I don't know where my

1782
01:32:21,253 --> 01:32:23,732
Speaker 3: spices are. I've got to ask people. It's just such

1783
01:32:23,732 --> 01:32:26,412
Speaker 3: a punishing operation. Even though I go to a beautiful

1784
01:32:26,452 --> 01:32:29,852
Speaker 3: supermarket New World in lanaev It's lovely. It's got the

1785
01:32:29,853 --> 01:32:32,772
Speaker 3: pineapple machine. I really enjoy there. But the rest of it,

1786
01:32:32,772 --> 01:32:35,013
Speaker 3: it is, that's a hard chore to do at the

1787
01:32:35,133 --> 01:32:36,812
Speaker 3: end of a workday, when you're tired and you're going

1788
01:32:36,893 --> 01:32:39,372
Speaker 3: to push around a trolley trying to find items. It's horrible.

1789
01:32:39,412 --> 01:32:40,812
Speaker 3: It's like it's like hide and seek.

1790
01:32:41,213 --> 01:32:43,812
Speaker 2: Tell you to your buddy, great great great great great

1791
01:32:43,812 --> 01:32:45,452
Speaker 2: great great great great great great ga great great great

1792
01:32:45,452 --> 01:32:48,812
Speaker 2: great great great great great great whatever. I'm too shagged

1793
01:32:48,853 --> 01:32:50,732
Speaker 2: to go and kill a wooly memoth tonight. Yeah, well

1794
01:32:50,732 --> 01:32:52,172
Speaker 2: good luck mate, everyone's starved.

1795
01:32:52,253 --> 01:32:54,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be here, so thank you, great great,

1796
01:32:54,333 --> 01:32:56,652
Speaker 3: great great great whatever. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1797
01:32:56,652 --> 01:32:58,932
Speaker 3: tonight is the number of coop? Are we getting too lazy?

1798
01:32:58,973 --> 01:33:00,852
Speaker 3: Do we need to push back at some of these apps?

1799
01:33:01,452 --> 01:33:04,972
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do we need to re I mean, it does

1800
01:33:05,013 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 2: seem crazy that we're saying. Do we need to push

1801
01:33:07,293 --> 01:33:09,052
Speaker 2: back to the point where we just go and pick

1802
01:33:09,133 --> 01:33:13,253
Speaker 2: up the food that we eat? Or please come and sell,

1803
01:33:13,492 --> 01:33:16,652
Speaker 2: sell the dream and sell the absolute dream. Maybe because

1804
01:33:16,692 --> 01:33:18,372
Speaker 2: you've ordered in the food, you get to go and

1805
01:33:18,452 --> 01:33:20,812
Speaker 2: play golf or something, or go to the gym. Maybe

1806
01:33:20,812 --> 01:33:22,852
Speaker 2: it's not a laziness thing. And I'd like to hear

1807
01:33:22,893 --> 01:33:24,452
Speaker 2: from people that want to sell the dream of actually

1808
01:33:24,492 --> 01:33:26,333
Speaker 2: going to the supermarket as well. Oh eight hundred and

1809
01:33:26,333 --> 01:33:35,052
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty twenty five past three.

1810
01:33:32,532 --> 01:33:36,213
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred eighty

1811
01:33:36,293 --> 01:33:38,133
Speaker 1: ten eighty on used talk ZV.

1812
01:33:38,253 --> 01:33:40,852
Speaker 3: Twenty eight past three. Are we becoming so lazy that

1813
01:33:40,893 --> 01:33:43,532
Speaker 3: we can't even go in grocery shop? It appears we are.

1814
01:33:43,612 --> 01:33:46,173
Speaker 3: The popularity of apps such as Zuberreaches, door Dash, and

1815
01:33:46,213 --> 01:33:49,612
Speaker 3: now milk Run is so strong some local supermarkets are

1816
01:33:49,612 --> 01:33:52,013
Speaker 3: having to accommodate the growing number of orders outside their

1817
01:33:52,053 --> 01:33:53,173
Speaker 3: traditional hours.

1818
01:33:53,293 --> 01:33:56,053
Speaker 2: Tyler, we used to hunt and gather. We used to

1819
01:33:56,412 --> 01:33:59,772
Speaker 2: We used to browse the ground looking for food. Now

1820
01:33:59,893 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 2: we order in our food and we sit in front

1821
01:34:02,173 --> 01:34:04,852
Speaker 2: of the TV and just spend hours browsing through streamers

1822
01:34:04,853 --> 01:34:08,093
Speaker 2: to decide what to watch. Yeah, this text says people

1823
01:34:08,133 --> 01:34:10,612
Speaker 2: at a discusting too lazy to get their food, just

1824
01:34:10,612 --> 01:34:13,012
Speaker 2: sit at home, order and don't even cook. Just plug.

1825
01:34:13,093 --> 01:34:15,572
Speaker 2: Why don't you just plug into a stomach pump, fill

1826
01:34:15,612 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 2: yourself up until you explode, your losers, that's pretty Oh,

1827
01:34:19,492 --> 01:34:21,412
Speaker 2: when are we talking about? So that sounds like the

1828
01:34:21,492 --> 01:34:23,612
Speaker 2: far end of the spectrum of what we're talking about here.

1829
01:34:23,973 --> 01:34:26,772
Speaker 3: And when you say we used to hunt, hunt, certainly

1830
01:34:27,133 --> 01:34:29,572
Speaker 3: I never have never hunted in my life, but our

1831
01:34:29,612 --> 01:34:33,612
Speaker 3: great great great grand ancestors did. And now we can't

1832
01:34:33,612 --> 01:34:35,652
Speaker 3: even be bothered getting off the couch to go down

1833
01:34:35,732 --> 01:34:37,652
Speaker 3: to the New World to get some bananas. We just

1834
01:34:37,732 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 3: order them online and get them delivered straight to the door.

1835
01:34:39,933 --> 01:34:42,173
Speaker 2: Michelle says, hey, guys, nice to get the Willy Mammoth

1836
01:34:42,253 --> 01:34:45,612
Speaker 2: supplied and frozen meal form too, when the alternative is

1837
01:34:45,652 --> 01:34:48,932
Speaker 2: standing overwhelmed and supermarket thinking, but what the heck am

1838
01:34:48,973 --> 01:34:51,732
Speaker 2: I going to buy and cook? Yeah that's for Michelle. Yeah,

1839
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:54,412
Speaker 2: good call. Yeah, I mean, and you know, I mean

1840
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:56,053
Speaker 2: that's the other part of the situation. If I go

1841
01:34:56,093 --> 01:34:58,372
Speaker 2: to the supermarket, I'm spending a whole lot more than

1842
01:34:58,772 --> 01:35:01,133
Speaker 2: you know, the dry ordering online that doesn't have the

1843
01:35:01,133 --> 01:35:05,012
Speaker 2: same visceral effect on you. Yeah, especially the booze section.

1844
01:35:05,213 --> 01:35:07,572
Speaker 3: And I guarantee you if our ancestors could tap some

1845
01:35:07,652 --> 01:35:10,133
Speaker 3: rocks together and then instantly there's a nice day there

1846
01:35:10,173 --> 01:35:11,812
Speaker 3: for the whole tribe. They would have done that. They

1847
01:35:11,812 --> 01:35:13,612
Speaker 3: wouldn't have ran all day if they could just go

1848
01:35:13,692 --> 01:35:16,053
Speaker 3: people book Oh look it's a member, I know.

1849
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:18,013
Speaker 2: But then they would end up useless and lazy and

1850
01:35:18,053 --> 01:35:21,452
Speaker 2: weak and overweight, like well, yeah, it's good boy. Hey guys,

1851
01:35:21,452 --> 01:35:23,612
Speaker 2: this is lovely text from Christine. I love this. Hey guys,

1852
01:35:23,612 --> 01:35:25,532
Speaker 2: Howby and I do the shopping on a Saturday morning

1853
01:35:25,572 --> 01:35:28,012
Speaker 2: and always have breakfast in a cafe first, so relaxed

1854
01:35:28,013 --> 01:35:30,173
Speaker 2: by the time we do it. See, that's that's nice.

1855
01:35:30,213 --> 01:35:31,333
Speaker 3: That's going back to basics.

1856
01:35:31,412 --> 01:35:39,412
Speaker 2: That's that's beautiful. Jonathan. Welcome to the show, Jonathan, Judge Judge. Hi, Hey,

1857
01:35:39,412 --> 01:35:41,492
Speaker 2: how's it going mate? So you deliver some of these

1858
01:35:41,652 --> 01:35:43,172
Speaker 2: these items, do you? Jonathan?

1859
01:35:44,652 --> 01:35:51,412
Speaker 8: Yeah? I do over each and deliver eas what's across

1860
01:35:51,492 --> 01:35:53,052
Speaker 8: both platforms yep.

1861
01:35:53,253 --> 01:35:56,093
Speaker 3: And and how you're finding the workload at the moment.

1862
01:35:56,213 --> 01:35:57,573
Speaker 3: You're getting more jobs.

1863
01:35:59,652 --> 01:36:02,492
Speaker 8: Well through low and Lolington at the moment obviously the

1864
01:36:02,572 --> 01:36:06,692
Speaker 8: down there, like you can, amount of tips are pretty

1865
01:36:06,692 --> 01:36:12,572
Speaker 8: low as well because you get earned by job and tips.

1866
01:36:13,612 --> 01:36:13,772
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1867
01:36:15,612 --> 01:36:17,973
Speaker 8: Yeah, Milk Run is actually delivered.

1868
01:36:17,532 --> 01:36:20,813
Speaker 2: By over eats okay.

1869
01:36:23,812 --> 01:36:26,173
Speaker 8: And also deliver easy as well.

1870
01:36:26,973 --> 01:36:29,492
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought, I mean you're the man in the

1871
01:36:29,532 --> 01:36:31,572
Speaker 3: no but I always thought milk run was a was

1872
01:36:31,612 --> 01:36:34,133
Speaker 3: a war Worth situation. But it's well, it's not. It's

1873
01:36:34,213 --> 01:36:36,253
Speaker 3: run by purely Uber Eats.

1874
01:36:37,572 --> 01:36:41,372
Speaker 8: Well, so it's wall worse, but the delivery drivers uh

1875
01:36:41,973 --> 01:36:43,452
Speaker 8: overeats and deliver easy.

1876
01:36:44,293 --> 01:36:44,772
Speaker 3: I gotcha.

1877
01:36:44,973 --> 01:36:46,893
Speaker 2: Hey, Jonathan, I've just got a quick question before we

1878
01:36:46,933 --> 01:36:50,452
Speaker 2: get onto the subject. Why if you're an uber person,

1879
01:36:50,492 --> 01:36:52,372
Speaker 2: do you you like do you choose to do eat

1880
01:36:52,652 --> 01:36:56,852
Speaker 2: over transporting people? You know that the Uber eats rather

1881
01:36:56,893 --> 01:36:59,972
Speaker 2: than just the Uber taxi type style of thing. Why

1882
01:37:00,013 --> 01:37:00,892
Speaker 2: do you make that decision?

1883
01:37:02,452 --> 01:37:04,652
Speaker 8: Because I don't really want to get sack like you.

1884
01:37:04,973 --> 01:37:08,293
Speaker 8: I don't really trust people to like jumping the car,

1885
01:37:08,692 --> 01:37:13,492
Speaker 8: right all right. I have a day job as well,

1886
01:37:13,612 --> 01:37:17,213
Speaker 8: so yeah, night job, So I just want to kick

1887
01:37:17,253 --> 01:37:17,892
Speaker 8: myself safe.

1888
01:37:18,293 --> 01:37:22,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and any can you make decent money delivering these

1889
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:25,972
Speaker 2: these these that Uber eats in delivering the milk run

1890
01:37:26,013 --> 01:37:26,333
Speaker 2: and such?

1891
01:37:27,692 --> 01:37:30,692
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yeah, So I made, uh, if I was working

1892
01:37:30,692 --> 01:37:33,693
Speaker 8: a four days, about four hundred dollars.

1893
01:37:34,093 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not too bad.

1894
01:37:35,933 --> 01:37:38,372
Speaker 2: But you've got gas expenses and such that you have

1895
01:37:38,412 --> 01:37:40,293
Speaker 2: to deal with us on top of that, you know,

1896
01:37:40,333 --> 01:37:41,573
Speaker 2: taking away from that profit.

1897
01:37:43,173 --> 01:37:47,253
Speaker 8: Like I used Henry as a great tax app and

1898
01:37:47,372 --> 01:37:51,692
Speaker 8: mileage as well, so it's very easy to playing for things.

1899
01:37:52,013 --> 01:37:52,333
Speaker 13: All right.

1900
01:37:52,372 --> 01:37:55,333
Speaker 2: So as your as your fuel I mean go going

1901
01:37:55,372 --> 01:37:58,253
Speaker 2: into the weeds here, but as your as your guess

1902
01:37:58,293 --> 01:37:59,572
Speaker 2: text adactable.

1903
01:38:00,933 --> 01:38:04,053
Speaker 8: The mileagers, Yeah, mileage yea.

1904
01:38:05,333 --> 01:38:07,093
Speaker 3: Do you do you ever get And this happened to

1905
01:38:07,133 --> 01:38:10,213
Speaker 3: me over the weekend. Jonathan and I'm not going to

1906
01:38:10,213 --> 01:38:12,133
Speaker 3: get this guy into trouble because how is anybody going

1907
01:38:12,173 --> 01:38:13,492
Speaker 3: to find out? But I was in an uber and

1908
01:38:13,532 --> 01:38:16,093
Speaker 3: it was a text uber and the guy did me

1909
01:38:16,133 --> 01:38:17,973
Speaker 3: a solid that he went to I needed something for

1910
01:38:18,053 --> 01:38:20,133
Speaker 3: the dairy, so he kind of you know, went in

1911
01:38:20,173 --> 01:38:22,813
Speaker 3: a different direction, and I said, I'm going to give you,

1912
01:38:22,812 --> 01:38:24,572
Speaker 3: you know, twenty bucks for the for the hassle of

1913
01:38:24,652 --> 01:38:26,812
Speaker 3: doing that, and he asked for the cash rather than

1914
01:38:26,853 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 3: doing it on the app. Do you get that a

1915
01:38:28,812 --> 01:38:31,333
Speaker 3: little bit? I mean, obviously you can't because Uber would

1916
01:38:31,333 --> 01:38:33,253
Speaker 3: would be grumpy with you. But do you think a

1917
01:38:33,253 --> 01:38:35,333
Speaker 3: lot of people are doing that to avoid the the

1918
01:38:35,452 --> 01:38:36,573
Speaker 3: uber text?

1919
01:38:38,732 --> 01:38:41,452
Speaker 8: So I doesn't everyone over eight that was delivered easy?

1920
01:38:41,492 --> 01:38:45,653
Speaker 8: It does so like you can't tip customers or drivers.

1921
01:38:45,812 --> 01:38:49,972
Speaker 8: I mean can't tip drivers on deliver Easy. Customers know that,

1922
01:38:50,213 --> 01:38:50,852
Speaker 8: so they'll.

1923
01:38:54,572 --> 01:38:55,013
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1924
01:38:56,133 --> 01:38:59,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair enough to And you enjoy it obviously, Jonathan.

1925
01:39:00,293 --> 01:39:05,133
Speaker 8: No, I love it. It's so good and like just exercise,

1926
01:39:05,333 --> 01:39:10,133
Speaker 8: like exercise winding lot of stairs.

1927
01:39:10,452 --> 01:39:11,932
Speaker 2: So you get the order and then you go into

1928
01:39:11,973 --> 01:39:15,412
Speaker 2: this supermarket and there's you pick it up and it's

1929
01:39:15,452 --> 01:39:17,572
Speaker 2: all it's all packed up for you and then you

1930
01:39:17,652 --> 01:39:19,372
Speaker 2: deliver it. That that's how it works, is there or

1931
01:39:19,412 --> 01:39:21,452
Speaker 2: is there like our lockers that you pick it up from,

1932
01:39:21,652 --> 01:39:23,972
Speaker 2: Just so I'm just interested.

1933
01:39:25,692 --> 01:39:28,732
Speaker 8: There's three there's three types of orders. So there's one

1934
01:39:28,812 --> 01:39:31,412
Speaker 8: that you had to go to the counter, second one

1935
01:39:33,013 --> 01:39:35,253
Speaker 8: there's the lock of ones or the third one it's

1936
01:39:35,333 --> 01:39:38,172
Speaker 8: like on a rail, but you have to show staff

1937
01:39:38,372 --> 01:39:42,093
Speaker 8: like the name on the order to collect it, so

1938
01:39:42,133 --> 01:39:43,892
Speaker 8: you can't just go and get it.

1939
01:39:44,772 --> 01:39:45,013
Speaker 4: They do.

1940
01:39:45,133 --> 01:39:49,133
Speaker 2: Watch that now, Jonathan. One final question for you. I

1941
01:39:49,253 --> 01:39:53,173
Speaker 2: had a friend, right, lazy, lazy friend who got his

1942
01:39:53,333 --> 01:39:56,572
Speaker 2: Uber Eats delivery to deliver it to his room. So

1943
01:39:56,772 --> 01:39:59,532
Speaker 2: he said, here's that. The phone call came through. He said,

1944
01:39:59,572 --> 01:40:01,333
Speaker 2: here's the here's the key to you know, here's the

1945
01:40:01,333 --> 01:40:03,972
Speaker 2: coat of the door downstairs, come up on the third

1946
01:40:05,013 --> 01:40:09,492
Speaker 2: room upstairs, and the I delivered it right to him

1947
01:40:09,532 --> 01:40:11,812
Speaker 2: in bed. I mean, would you do that? Was that

1948
01:40:11,933 --> 01:40:13,093
Speaker 2: disrespectful to ask for that?

1949
01:40:14,692 --> 01:40:21,132
Speaker 8: Uh? Like honesly's kind of annoying, but like, yeah, honestly,

1950
01:40:21,253 --> 01:40:25,572
Speaker 8: I've gotten so many codes to heaps of buildings in Wellington.

1951
01:40:25,812 --> 01:40:27,293
Speaker 3: They hell is rolled with people.

1952
01:40:30,053 --> 01:40:32,732
Speaker 2: Laziness can't even go to the bottom of the stairs.

1953
01:40:34,173 --> 01:40:37,732
Speaker 8: Yeah, So like there's so many I don't know, apartment

1954
01:40:37,812 --> 01:40:40,492
Speaker 8: buildings that I've been to, and I'm like, wow, like

1955
01:40:40,812 --> 01:40:43,412
Speaker 8: if you're neighboring you that you're giving me the code, like.

1956
01:40:43,893 --> 01:40:47,652
Speaker 2: Because you can't be bother coming down the elevator and exactly,

1957
01:40:47,853 --> 01:40:50,612
Speaker 2: and what's the closest you've picked up and order from

1958
01:40:50,652 --> 01:40:53,133
Speaker 2: and delivered it to a house? Because look, I'm not

1959
01:40:53,133 --> 01:40:55,372
Speaker 2: going to name names. One of my kids ordered subway

1960
01:40:55,372 --> 01:40:56,933
Speaker 2: for about one hundred and fifty meters up the.

1961
01:40:58,812 --> 01:41:01,732
Speaker 8: Yeah, honestly, Like just today I had a KFC pick

1962
01:41:01,853 --> 01:41:05,933
Speaker 8: up and it was like two halses down. I'm like,

1963
01:41:06,652 --> 01:41:08,972
Speaker 8: you couldn't done on it yourself.

1964
01:41:10,173 --> 01:41:12,412
Speaker 3: It's twenty steps and you would have been there.

1965
01:41:13,692 --> 01:41:15,692
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you pay a ten dollar delivery set.

1966
01:41:16,652 --> 01:41:21,412
Speaker 2: Yeah. So are you horrified by the laziness of some people, Jonathan.

1967
01:41:22,772 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 8: Some bones? Yeah, but like I feel for older people,

1968
01:41:27,372 --> 01:41:32,012
Speaker 8: some like older customers, like it's just easier for them, Yeah,

1969
01:41:32,133 --> 01:41:33,932
Speaker 8: having to give an effort to car.

1970
01:41:34,173 --> 01:41:36,213
Speaker 2: I mean that must be great, great for some people

1971
01:41:36,333 --> 01:41:39,333
Speaker 2: having this option. It must be for people, for the

1972
01:41:39,333 --> 01:41:42,253
Speaker 2: people that are incapacitated and can't do it, this must

1973
01:41:42,293 --> 01:41:44,093
Speaker 2: be a game changer for them. And I love that

1974
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:46,372
Speaker 2: part of it. Hey, thank you so much for you call. Jonathan.

1975
01:41:46,412 --> 01:41:47,173
Speaker 2: Really appreciate that.

1976
01:41:47,253 --> 01:41:48,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, really keen to hear from you if you're an

1977
01:41:48,933 --> 01:41:51,012
Speaker 3: Uber driver or a door desh driver or milk runt

1978
01:41:51,053 --> 01:41:52,972
Speaker 3: driver as well. I e one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1979
01:41:53,173 --> 01:41:56,052
Speaker 2: Sorry for punishing you the minute of your.

1980
01:41:56,013 --> 01:41:58,852
Speaker 3: Job, but I mean I didn't realize that existed. Like

1981
01:41:58,893 --> 01:42:00,612
Speaker 3: your mate, so you tucked up in bed? Did you

1982
01:42:00,652 --> 01:42:02,972
Speaker 3: just say to the Uber driver, come on and on third,

1983
01:42:03,093 --> 01:42:04,213
Speaker 3: third door from the right.

1984
01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:07,333
Speaker 2: Don't don't turn the light on, you know, just come

1985
01:42:07,372 --> 01:42:08,972
Speaker 2: in and hand it to me and be what's heaven?

1986
01:42:09,213 --> 01:42:11,572
Speaker 2: I won't even sit up, Yeah it is.

1987
01:42:11,692 --> 01:42:12,852
Speaker 3: Twenty three to four.

1988
01:42:15,412 --> 01:42:18,452
Speaker 14: News Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis is

1989
01:42:18,492 --> 01:42:21,173
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble, The government says has

1990
01:42:21,173 --> 01:42:23,692
Speaker 14: been a flood of interest from investing for New Zealand's

1991
01:42:23,732 --> 01:42:27,412
Speaker 14: Golden Visa, which helps business people with money to invest

1992
01:42:27,452 --> 01:42:30,933
Speaker 14: to gain residency immigration. New Zealands received one hundred and

1993
01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:35,213
Speaker 14: eighty nine applications, most from US investors, followed by China,

1994
01:42:35,452 --> 01:42:39,692
Speaker 14: Hong Kong and Germany. Awarding a possible escalation in the

1995
01:42:39,692 --> 01:42:42,732
Speaker 14: Middle East after the US has bombed three nuclear sites

1996
01:42:42,732 --> 01:42:47,293
Speaker 14: in Iran following days of strikes by Israel, acc is

1997
01:42:47,333 --> 01:42:50,412
Speaker 14: coppying flak over the slow payout of three point six

1998
01:42:50,572 --> 01:42:54,213
Speaker 14: billion dollars worth of claims for injuries people suffered as

1999
01:42:54,253 --> 01:42:58,932
Speaker 14: a child, including from sexual abuse. A former fishing company

2000
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:03,172
Speaker 14: director has been jailed for sixteen months. His company illegally

2001
01:43:03,253 --> 01:43:06,372
Speaker 14: landed nearly fifteen tons of snapper, more than one hundred

2002
01:43:06,372 --> 01:43:09,972
Speaker 14: and forty kilos of Kahawaii and forty off gray Mullet.

2003
01:43:11,053 --> 01:43:14,053
Speaker 14: Kids Can is launching a winter appeal, saying demand for

2004
01:43:14,093 --> 01:43:17,492
Speaker 14: food and skills is up but fifteen percent since last year.

2005
01:43:17,853 --> 01:43:21,253
Speaker 14: It says this isn't about solving child poverty, but ensuring

2006
01:43:21,372 --> 01:43:25,173
Speaker 14: children have the basics so that they can learn new

2007
01:43:25,173 --> 01:43:27,532
Speaker 14: on boodsman John Allen looks there to bring a different

2008
01:43:27,572 --> 01:43:30,732
Speaker 14: style to his Predace Zetta Sessa say the story It

2009
01:43:30,853 --> 01:43:33,932
Speaker 14: ends at Herold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

2010
01:43:34,053 --> 01:43:36,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Whndy and we're talking about these

2011
01:43:36,213 --> 01:43:38,812
Speaker 3: apps like Uber each straw dash l. I've been around

2012
01:43:38,853 --> 01:43:41,972
Speaker 3: for some time, but milk run is becoming incredibly popular.

2013
01:43:42,013 --> 01:43:45,092
Speaker 3: A lot of supermarkets having to accommodate the growing number

2014
01:43:45,213 --> 01:43:48,692
Speaker 3: of orders outside their traditional hours keeping workers had to

2015
01:43:48,772 --> 01:43:51,452
Speaker 3: deal with it. Are we becoming so lazy that we

2016
01:43:51,492 --> 01:43:52,852
Speaker 3: can't even pick up our own grocery?

2017
01:43:52,933 --> 01:43:54,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. As I was saying before, we used

2018
01:43:54,933 --> 01:43:58,053
Speaker 2: to have to hunt down our dinner with spears and

2019
01:43:58,293 --> 01:44:02,333
Speaker 2: rocks and then skin it and cock it. And now

2020
01:44:02,412 --> 01:44:05,372
Speaker 2: we don't even get at bed. We just go. We

2021
01:44:05,412 --> 01:44:08,973
Speaker 2: can't even be bothered pushing a trolley round market to

2022
01:44:08,973 --> 01:44:12,133
Speaker 2: get our food. It's lazy. And when I say us,

2023
01:44:12,213 --> 01:44:15,053
Speaker 2: I mean me too. It's about the division of Labous's cam.

2024
01:44:15,093 --> 01:44:18,293
Speaker 2: I'm not spending the time hunting that my ancestors it,

2025
01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:20,932
Speaker 2: but I'm spending way more time than them doing something

2026
01:44:20,933 --> 01:44:23,333
Speaker 2: in spreadsheets. It's a very good point. Apparently what I

2027
01:44:23,372 --> 01:44:25,452
Speaker 2: do in spreadsheets is worth something, and I get paid

2028
01:44:25,492 --> 01:44:29,012
Speaker 2: for that, and I pay people to do my hunting

2029
01:44:29,732 --> 01:44:30,133
Speaker 2: for me.

2030
01:44:30,452 --> 01:44:33,133
Speaker 3: Well said, well, good points, Yeah, very well said.

2031
01:44:33,213 --> 01:44:35,532
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the big change, wasn't it. The diversification.

2032
01:44:36,173 --> 01:44:38,572
Speaker 2: You know, at one point we're all fishing, and then

2033
01:44:38,612 --> 01:44:41,333
Speaker 2: there was someone fishing, and then there was a fishmonger,

2034
01:44:41,652 --> 01:44:44,692
Speaker 2: and then there was someone else that was chipping away

2035
01:44:44,772 --> 01:44:48,612
Speaker 2: making weapons, and that led to civilization. But you've got

2036
01:44:48,652 --> 01:44:53,132
Speaker 2: to say, we are becoming increasingly obese and lazy, and

2037
01:44:53,213 --> 01:44:56,732
Speaker 2: as someone pointed out before, you know, well, we'll do

2038
01:44:56,853 --> 01:44:59,293
Speaker 2: weird things like go for a run or go to

2039
01:44:59,333 --> 01:45:01,892
Speaker 2: the gym, but then not go to the supermarket, if

2040
01:45:01,893 --> 01:45:03,732
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So we'll do our we

2041
01:45:04,692 --> 01:45:07,412
Speaker 2: we'll compartmentalize our activities.

2042
01:45:07,293 --> 01:45:08,852
Speaker 3: Softly, softly, though, if you do, you give me a

2043
01:45:08,893 --> 01:45:11,053
Speaker 3: spear and say you can only eat what you kill

2044
01:45:11,093 --> 01:45:13,173
Speaker 3: old staff, No doubt about it. I'm not I'm not

2045
01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:16,412
Speaker 3: getting anything with a spear. Plenty of texts coming through

2046
01:45:16,412 --> 01:45:17,772
Speaker 3: on nine to nine to two.

2047
01:45:18,853 --> 01:45:21,132
Speaker 2: Guys used to get the soufi to pack out groceries

2048
01:45:21,173 --> 01:45:23,492
Speaker 2: and we'd pick it up. They're so understaff now that

2049
01:45:23,532 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 2: you'd wait ten minutes for them to get it to

2050
01:45:25,293 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 2: the pickup spot, almost defeating the purpose. Now pay the

2051
01:45:28,412 --> 01:45:31,093
Speaker 2: monthly fee for unlimited deliveries. It's the only way to

2052
01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:32,652
Speaker 2: go there, You.

2053
01:45:32,612 --> 01:45:37,333
Speaker 3: Go, Layson, you're another Uber delivery driver here.

2054
01:45:37,253 --> 01:45:39,253
Speaker 11: I am. How you doing guys? First time caller?

2055
01:45:39,412 --> 01:45:42,773
Speaker 3: Oh, welcome in. Nice to have you. And so as

2056
01:45:42,853 --> 01:45:44,892
Speaker 3: an Uber delivery driver, I take it. Do you do

2057
01:45:45,013 --> 01:45:47,173
Speaker 3: the milk runs and the door dashes as well?

2058
01:45:48,772 --> 01:45:54,173
Speaker 11: I don't. I only specifically do Uber eats right, and

2059
01:45:54,412 --> 01:45:57,692
Speaker 11: only I only do uber eats because I find that

2060
01:45:57,772 --> 01:46:01,093
Speaker 11: there's more jobs available. But things have changed since that.

2061
01:46:01,973 --> 01:46:04,173
Speaker 11: I've been doing it full time for about eighteen months now,

2062
01:46:04,812 --> 01:46:06,852
Speaker 11: but things have certainly changed the door dash a little

2063
01:46:06,853 --> 01:46:10,452
Speaker 11: bit since that. I specialize in just doing food and

2064
01:46:10,532 --> 01:46:14,973
Speaker 11: distilling her breats. And I do agree that we do

2065
01:46:15,452 --> 01:46:19,613
Speaker 11: we have become lazy. I mean, you're right, maybe ten steps,

2066
01:46:19,973 --> 01:46:24,732
Speaker 11: maybe not even twenty steps for a delivery. But and

2067
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 11: you can. I mean I treat it as a full

2068
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:31,532
Speaker 11: time job so I can make enough coin to survive.

2069
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:38,012
Speaker 2: Is it rewarding work or is it punishing or both?

2070
01:46:39,173 --> 01:46:39,612
Speaker 13: I mean.

2071
01:46:41,853 --> 01:46:47,692
Speaker 11: A tough question. Tough question, Yeah, you could, you're right,

2072
01:46:47,772 --> 01:46:51,412
Speaker 11: But I come from a hospitality background, so I enjoy

2073
01:46:51,532 --> 01:46:55,532
Speaker 11: interacting with people and picking up your food and dropping

2074
01:46:55,532 --> 01:46:56,892
Speaker 11: it after them, and the.

2075
01:46:56,893 --> 01:46:59,972
Speaker 2: People generally friendly when you're hand it over.

2076
01:47:02,973 --> 01:47:07,972
Speaker 11: Yes, generally. Yes. I mean there's there's you know, dealing

2077
01:47:07,973 --> 01:47:13,173
Speaker 11: with that all the time. There's there's no no human interaction. Yeah,

2078
01:47:13,253 --> 01:47:15,253
Speaker 11: but you might get you might get to a job.

2079
01:47:15,293 --> 01:47:20,092
Speaker 11: And Matt, I need your ID for this alcohol delivery.

2080
01:47:20,853 --> 01:47:23,652
Speaker 11: Oh what do you need that for? Well, it's the

2081
01:47:23,652 --> 01:47:26,892
Speaker 11: same as being in a pub. Right, think you look

2082
01:47:27,333 --> 01:47:29,333
Speaker 11: if I think, if I think you look under twenty five,

2083
01:47:29,372 --> 01:47:31,093
Speaker 11: I'm going to ask you for I D but we

2084
01:47:31,133 --> 01:47:33,052
Speaker 11: still have to scan it and we still have to play.

2085
01:47:32,812 --> 01:47:33,532
Speaker 4: By all the rules.

2086
01:47:33,612 --> 01:47:36,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I didn't actually understand. I don't actually know that. Yeah,

2087
01:47:36,853 --> 01:47:38,652
Speaker 2: potentially because I don't look under twenty five.

2088
01:47:40,173 --> 01:47:43,612
Speaker 3: No, have you? Have you ever? Sorry? Ego late? Sorry

2089
01:47:43,692 --> 01:47:44,213
Speaker 3: you finished that?

2090
01:47:44,333 --> 01:47:44,372
Speaker 14: No?

2091
01:47:45,372 --> 01:47:47,053
Speaker 11: No, sor right, I was. I was just going to say,

2092
01:47:47,053 --> 01:47:48,452
Speaker 11: it's it's just all part of it, you know.

2093
01:47:48,572 --> 01:47:49,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

2094
01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:51,772
Speaker 3: Don't have to give specific examples here. But have you

2095
01:47:51,812 --> 01:47:55,372
Speaker 3: ever found yourself in a in a situation you know,

2096
01:47:55,372 --> 01:47:57,293
Speaker 3: you're knock on the door, You're there to deliver food,

2097
01:47:57,853 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 3: and the door opens and you and you see something

2098
01:48:00,412 --> 01:48:01,892
Speaker 3: yet you didn't want to see.

2099
01:48:05,053 --> 01:48:08,333
Speaker 2: I think you've been watching some short movies online, Tyler

2100
01:48:08,893 --> 01:48:10,292
Speaker 2: can't can't say.

2101
01:48:10,053 --> 01:48:14,213
Speaker 11: I have, but you often get that. You often what

2102
01:48:14,732 --> 01:48:19,452
Speaker 11: happens is you'll get to a delivery point and you

2103
01:48:19,772 --> 01:48:21,612
Speaker 11: I send a message to the customer to say hey,

2104
01:48:21,692 --> 01:48:24,732
Speaker 11: I've arrived, and they've got a certain amount of time

2105
01:48:24,772 --> 01:48:26,572
Speaker 11: to get back to you. Otherwise you can cancel the

2106
01:48:26,652 --> 01:48:29,692
Speaker 11: order on them. But it's a different thing. But often

2107
01:48:29,692 --> 01:48:33,053
Speaker 11: you'll get there and you'll set the timer off. The

2108
01:48:33,133 --> 01:48:35,572
Speaker 11: next minute you'll get a phone call or a message saying,

2109
01:48:36,293 --> 01:48:37,372
Speaker 11: can you just leave it at the door?

2110
01:48:37,412 --> 01:48:41,532
Speaker 3: I'm just in the tower, right, yep, yep. I mean

2111
01:48:41,692 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 3: you could get that a lot.

2112
01:48:43,772 --> 01:48:47,652
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, but look, I enjoy it. I enjoy driveling

2113
01:48:47,692 --> 01:48:49,692
Speaker 11: around the city. I work in christ Church, so and

2114
01:48:50,293 --> 01:48:56,412
Speaker 11: I go anywhere from probably Lincoln to to Ingua.

2115
01:48:56,893 --> 01:48:59,852
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, that's a that's a big drive between those two.

2116
01:49:00,973 --> 01:49:03,972
Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, you know, you get sent certain areas

2117
01:49:03,973 --> 01:49:05,932
Speaker 11: and you can pick up along the way and say

2118
01:49:05,973 --> 01:49:09,292
Speaker 11: no and say yes and so yeah, do you feel.

2119
01:49:10,772 --> 01:49:11,293
Speaker 2: Sorry you go?

2120
01:49:11,452 --> 01:49:12,253
Speaker 4: I just enjoyed that.

2121
01:49:12,452 --> 01:49:14,492
Speaker 11: I just enjoy it, that's all. I also think what's

2122
01:49:14,532 --> 01:49:15,333
Speaker 11: going on in the city.

2123
01:49:15,412 --> 01:49:17,253
Speaker 2: I always think about the pressure you'd be under though,

2124
01:49:17,293 --> 01:49:19,973
Speaker 2: when it comes to like you know, you lose your

2125
01:49:20,013 --> 01:49:22,892
Speaker 2: way or the foods because you know it's perishable, it's

2126
01:49:22,893 --> 01:49:26,333
Speaker 2: only got so long before it's it becomes.

2127
01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:30,732
Speaker 11: That certainly falls upon you. Yeah, if you want to

2128
01:49:30,812 --> 01:49:35,852
Speaker 11: order something from from from town going to the airport,

2129
01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:39,213
Speaker 11: you know, and that's a twenty minute drive in the

2130
01:49:39,213 --> 01:49:40,572
Speaker 11: middle of peak out traffic.

2131
01:49:40,853 --> 01:49:41,892
Speaker 4: That's that's your problem.

2132
01:49:42,013 --> 01:49:44,732
Speaker 2: Isn't it. I mean, if people are too lazy to

2133
01:49:45,173 --> 01:49:47,093
Speaker 2: go and get their food for themselves or make their

2134
01:49:47,133 --> 01:49:49,732
Speaker 2: own food that I mentioned, they're not really that. I'm

2135
01:49:49,732 --> 01:49:51,772
Speaker 2: going to be checking exactly how far their food's going

2136
01:49:51,812 --> 01:49:54,253
Speaker 2: and probably going to be a complaining type person. Anyway, Hey,

2137
01:49:54,293 --> 01:49:56,732
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call, Layton. I love

2138
01:49:56,812 --> 01:49:57,532
Speaker 2: those insights.

2139
01:49:57,612 --> 01:49:59,333
Speaker 3: Yeap, oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2140
01:49:59,372 --> 01:50:01,012
Speaker 3: the number to call. We have time for a few

2141
01:50:01,053 --> 01:50:01,933
Speaker 3: more phone calls on this.

2142
01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:05,493
Speaker 2: I agreed, we've got so lazy. Some people on eastcooters

2143
01:50:05,532 --> 01:50:09,852
Speaker 2: look like they really could do with a walk. I mean, yeah,

2144
01:50:09,933 --> 01:50:14,172
Speaker 2: I mean people are getting East scooters for five hundred meters.

2145
01:50:14,293 --> 01:50:17,213
Speaker 2: You know, I'd question those people's yeah, right right to

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Speaker 2: keep their citizenship. It is third eight or four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. We've got a Tyler on the phone,

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Speaker 3: can I Tyler?

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Speaker 15: How are we guys?

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Speaker 3: How are we very good?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 3: We've only got a minute and a half. My friend,

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Speaker 3: what's your thoughts about these delivery apps there?

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Speaker 11: There?

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Speaker 19: I used to be a delivery driver for Delivery Easy.

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Speaker 19: I was doing it full time. I do believe we

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Speaker 19: are getting a little bit lazy as the past couple

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Speaker 19: of people have said about you know, just being a

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Speaker 19: couple of hundred meters from the shop. You know, if

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Speaker 19: if they're going to do it, you know, it's all

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Speaker 19: right for you know, the like the elderly and the

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Speaker 19: and the you know, disabled and stuff like that. But

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Speaker 19: the big thing is, I reckon the delivery delivery companies

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Speaker 19: should set like a minimum delivery distance, you know, that

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Speaker 19: way because for some people actually doing this job is

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Speaker 19: not actually very profitable. But that's just depending on like

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Speaker 19: the k drive and stuff like that. But I reckon

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Speaker 19: if face yet a minimum distance for an order to

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Speaker 19: be ordered, not only is it more profitable a little

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Speaker 19: bit for the drivers, but it's also getting you out

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Speaker 19: of the house as well, because if you're too close,

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Speaker 19: you can't order it. Yeah, the egg and order from

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Speaker 19: some way further away that which is going to be

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Speaker 19: more affordable for the driver to drive and make money.

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Speaker 19: But if you don't want to pay to get it delivered,

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Speaker 19: then you just go out of the house and get

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Speaker 19: it yourself.

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Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense ye, Tyler, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for your phone call.

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Speaker 2: The sixer says, only do online shopping, so I'm not

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Speaker 2: tempted to add luxuries and it's cheaper overall. This person

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Speaker 2: says here that it's lazy and the best thing you

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Speaker 2: can do is put in the effort to make food

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Speaker 2: for your family and loved ones. Much more meaningful that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nice place to leave, right, got to play some messages,

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Speaker 3: but back very shortly eight two four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used

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Speaker 1: talks be coming up at four It's Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 20: Surprise Attack and I run the question now is will

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Speaker 20: Donald Trump push for regime change as well? How do

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Speaker 20: kere we feel about Cook Island is continuing to have

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Speaker 20: access to our passports health system in New Zealand Super

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Speaker 20: We've got some exclusive following on that, plus Who's inn

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Speaker 20: and Who's out? Rugby editor Elliot Smith from the All

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Speaker 20: Black Squad announcement.

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Speaker 1: Asking the questions getting the information you need. Heather Duplessy

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with on New Zealand, next on Newstorg.

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Speaker 3: Zebby That is almost us for today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to all your great New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: for listening to the show. Thanks so much for your

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Speaker 2: calls and text. We've had a great time chatting. Hope

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Speaker 2: you have too. The met Entile Afternoons podcast will be

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Speaker 2: out and about now, so if you missed our chats

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Speaker 2: or want to relive our heavy chat on how people

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Speaker 2: are feeling about the Iran situation, or our lighter chats

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Speaker 2: on regional councils and the ordering in of food, listen

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Speaker 2: and follow our pod wherever you get your pods. The

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Speaker 2: Sir Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year Heather Duplessy Ellen

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Speaker 2: is up next with all things Iran crisis. But right now, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: good buddy, Why am I playing this song?

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Speaker 3: I believe the song is called the Lazy Song? Is

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Speaker 3: this because we're all a bunch of lazy buggers that

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Speaker 3: can't even go to the grocery store like yourself, Matt Eathan,

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Speaker 3: pick up your groceries like our ancestors.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, not that long ago, Yeah, exactly, well done. Now,

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Speaker 2: wherever you are and whatever you're doing until tomorrow afternoon,

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Speaker 2: give them a taste of kiwi and have a great time.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a good tun this love it.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b Listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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