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Speaker 1: Following the Royal Commission into Abuse and State Care, Lake

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Speaker 1: Alice survivors finally have certainty with a redress scheme announced

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Speaker 1: by the Minister Erica Stamford says. Each survivor will receive

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Speaker 1: a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: a one off payment, or they can choose to go

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Speaker 1: through an individual payment process, which will see each claim

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Speaker 1: independently assessed to determine the amount paid. And you'd hope

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Speaker 1: maybe you might get some more money for that more recompense.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two point sixty eight million has been set aside

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Speaker 1: for this redress process. A new written apology will be issued,

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Speaker 1: as well as access to support and rehab services. Jim

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Speaker 1: Goodwin is a Lake Alice survivor and joins me now, Jim.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, I'm not a Like Alice survivor.

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Speaker 1: Yes you are, You're not.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not a like Alice survivor. Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well why are we talking to you?

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Speaker 2: Then? A Hi? You guys got to me because I

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Speaker 2: was involved in the Royal commercial. Now, I was a

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Speaker 2: survivor group for the Royal Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Oh very good. Okay, So how are the survivors feeling

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Speaker 1: about this redress package.

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Speaker 2: Well, from watching the media, some of them are pretty angry.

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Speaker 1: Well, could you explain? Could you explain for the people?

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, explain explain to everyone why

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Speaker 1: they might be angry. Explain for everybody why greater redress

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Speaker 1: is necessary, and also explain how this is a documented

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Speaker 1: case of torture done by New Zealand and recognized by

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Speaker 1: the UN.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it is a documented case of torture. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for the Lake Alie survivors,

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Speaker 2: but I get why they're angry because they've spent their

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Speaker 2: lives being fobbed off, ignored and trying to get what

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Speaker 2: they're finally getting. Now. I get that they're still angry

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Speaker 2: and saying that this is not good enough. Also, this

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Speaker 2: has been determined by ministers of the Crown and heads

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Speaker 2: of government department. The very people were very people in

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Speaker 2: the very positions that have fobbed them off and ignored

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Speaker 2: them for their lives.

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Speaker 1: They have a choice, they have a choice. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: can go. They can either get one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: grand straight up one thing. And you've got to realize

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are getting older, you know,

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Speaker 1: and there's time is starting to take if you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, or they could go through yet another fight,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, an individual payment process where an

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Speaker 1: arbit decides that they might deserve more. How many do

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Speaker 1: you think we'll take that choice?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the numbers of like Ellis survivors

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Speaker 2: are now, because, as you say, they some of them

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Speaker 2: are dying and being a survivor or social into life,

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Speaker 2: so particularly after what they've been through. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know how many will keep fighting. It sounds to me,

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Speaker 2: it reads to me like one hundred and fifty grand

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean an end to it. It seems to

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Speaker 2: me that one hundred and fifty thousand well over one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirst fifty thousand. But if you want to

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Speaker 2: want more later, we'll look at that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: this was a full and final settlement. That's my reading

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Andred Jim, I thank you for your time this morning,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for all your support of those survivors

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Speaker 1: who have been through hell. The Row Commission made one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight recommendations. Christopher Luxon said the government

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Speaker 1: has either completed or was progressing twenty eight of them

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Speaker 1: so far, so maybe time is of the essence, So

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Speaker 1: maybe this redress has come about quickly so that there's

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Speaker 1: something happening, and as Jim suggests, perhaps there might be

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Speaker 1: more a bit later on, but at the same time

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Speaker 1: remember our financial situation. A National Remembrance Day will be

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Speaker 1: held on November the twelfth next year to mark the

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Speaker 1: one year anniversary of the apology. And here's another one.

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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister yesterday committed to work to remove street names,

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Speaker 1: public amenities and public honors that highlighted the proven perpetrators.

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