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Speaker 1: Well, I've got some simple questions around our attitude to

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Speaker 1: nuclear for you, and whether we are capable of becoming

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Speaker 1: slightly more mature about all of this. So this country

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Speaker 1: got semi famous for its anti nuclear stance. Of course

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Speaker 1: we were, well, we're still anti nuclear, but we got

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Speaker 1: famous a lifetime ago. But the world has changed, It

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Speaker 1: has moved on. Amazon and Google as well as Oracle

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Speaker 1: are building their own nuclear reactors these days. And of

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Speaker 1: the not building their own reactors, they are buying nuclear

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Speaker 1: deals with places like Three Mile Island, which also a

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Speaker 1: lifetime ago, made headlines around the world. They need nuclear

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Speaker 1: to run data centers. Data centers need astonishing amounts of power.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand wants to host data centers. Can New Zealand

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Speaker 1: be a data center hub given the power system we

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Speaker 1: now run? No. Ironically, just yesterday Genesis announced they'll be

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Speaker 1: buying more coal for next winter to cover the gap,

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Speaker 1: the ongoing gap that's not for data centers, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's to turn the lights on on a cold morning.

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Speaker 1: This country, as we found out this winter, can't handle

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Speaker 1: cold mornings, far less data centers, and nothing's changing between

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Speaker 1: now and next winter. Factor in evs if you want,

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Speaker 1: and we return to the ongoing but unanswered question, just

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Speaker 1: what is it we're going to run the country on.

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Speaker 1: Hydro is good, but it's not reliable, and neither are

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Speaker 1: any of the other options we may or may not

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Speaker 1: ever get around producing at scale when solar batteries. Nuclear

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Speaker 1: is the only reliable and by the way, it's good

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Speaker 1: for the environment. So we want to run data centers.

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Speaker 1: We don't have enough power, We're still burning more coal

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Speaker 1: and the thing we hate, nuclear is a viable option

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Speaker 1: and being picked up and run with around the rest

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Speaker 1: of the world. Are we to be left behind? Or

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Speaker 1: are we to grow up and move forward? Now? I'd

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Speaker 1: like to think that answers itself, but let's see for

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