1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:18,533 Speaker 1: this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio The 3 00:00:18,573 --> 00:00:20,453 Speaker 1: Big League Podcast. 4 00:00:21,893 --> 00:00:22,373 Speaker 2: News Talks. 5 00:00:23,693 --> 00:00:27,053 Speaker 3: This week on The Big League Podcast, Sky Sport commentator 6 00:00:27,213 --> 00:00:30,013 Speaker 3: Bevan Jewa joins to talk through what it's really like 7 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:34,133 Speaker 3: commentating the Warriors, the prep, the game day experience. 8 00:00:33,653 --> 00:00:35,333 Speaker 2: And his worst mistakes. 9 00:00:35,733 --> 00:00:38,013 Speaker 3: Michael Burgess and I will debate the best way of 10 00:00:38,053 --> 00:00:42,893 Speaker 3: dismantling the Panthers and debate whether Queensland's acting of daily 11 00:00:43,013 --> 00:00:45,933 Speaker 3: Cherry Evans is a master stroke or a cry for help. 12 00:00:46,373 --> 00:00:49,933 Speaker 2: My name is Nathan Limb. Let's go b l B. 13 00:00:50,453 --> 00:00:52,493 Speaker 3: It is my pleasure to be joined on The Big 14 00:00:52,573 --> 00:00:57,773 Speaker 3: League Podcast by Sky Sport and Gold Sport commentator Bevan Dua, 15 00:00:57,813 --> 00:01:00,413 Speaker 3: who filled in for Glen Lama last year for a 16 00:01:00,453 --> 00:01:03,653 Speaker 3: couple of games commentating the Warriors and NRL Action. 17 00:01:03,813 --> 00:01:05,773 Speaker 2: Bevin, thank you so much for your time. Welcome to 18 00:01:05,813 --> 00:01:06,373 Speaker 2: the podcast. 19 00:01:07,213 --> 00:01:09,373 Speaker 4: Thank you, Nathan. I'm happy to be a part of it. 20 00:01:10,093 --> 00:01:13,253 Speaker 3: Can you just talk to me about what the experience 21 00:01:13,413 --> 00:01:17,373 Speaker 3: of commentating the Warriors was like last year? Your first 22 00:01:17,413 --> 00:01:20,013 Speaker 3: time doing it, how did you find it, what was 23 00:01:20,013 --> 00:01:21,333 Speaker 3: the overall experience like? 24 00:01:22,653 --> 00:01:25,333 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was an absolute privilege and a pleasure. 25 00:01:26,733 --> 00:01:28,493 Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting to do any of any of it. 26 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:29,253 Speaker 4: Last year. 27 00:01:29,973 --> 00:01:32,893 Speaker 5: I got a cool around about February from one of 28 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:37,733 Speaker 5: the executive producers that Sky telling me the Dali Alama 29 00:01:37,813 --> 00:01:39,053 Speaker 5: Glen Lama was away. 30 00:01:38,813 --> 00:01:39,493 Speaker 4: For two weeks. 31 00:01:39,813 --> 00:01:42,853 Speaker 5: I was sorry three weeks for the Olympics and happened 32 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:45,653 Speaker 5: to fall on during the two Warriors games. So they 33 00:01:45,733 --> 00:01:48,213 Speaker 5: kind of gave me warning in February last year and 34 00:01:48,213 --> 00:01:52,733 Speaker 5: they said, look, it will happened late July, and yes, 35 00:01:52,733 --> 00:01:54,973 Speaker 5: so they gave me an opportunity, and yeah, it was. 36 00:01:55,373 --> 00:01:56,053 Speaker 4: It was epic. 37 00:01:56,133 --> 00:01:59,293 Speaker 5: I'm you know, commentating at the ground here in front 38 00:01:59,293 --> 00:02:02,893 Speaker 5: of you know, thirty thousand people, obviously found twenty five 39 00:02:02,893 --> 00:02:06,093 Speaker 5: thousand fans screaming, and then obviously just you know, a 40 00:02:06,773 --> 00:02:10,453 Speaker 5: big game, a big opportunity, and I was lucky as well. 41 00:02:10,573 --> 00:02:12,453 Speaker 5: It was during that time of the season where the 42 00:02:12,453 --> 00:02:15,493 Speaker 5: Warriors still had a chance, so it made the game 43 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:16,893 Speaker 5: a little bit more special as well. 44 00:02:17,653 --> 00:02:21,053 Speaker 3: Can you talk me through the game day experience as 45 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:23,973 Speaker 3: a commentator? What are you doing in the few hours 46 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:28,293 Speaker 3: beforehand and what's that anticipation like as it builds towards kickoff? 47 00:02:28,933 --> 00:02:33,093 Speaker 5: Well, I think the preparation starts usually on either a 48 00:02:33,133 --> 00:02:36,173 Speaker 5: Tuesday night or a Wednesday when the teams come out. 49 00:02:36,733 --> 00:02:37,853 Speaker 4: So you start prepping. 50 00:02:37,933 --> 00:02:40,333 Speaker 5: Then you make sure you write there all the team 51 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:43,133 Speaker 5: lists out. You have that locked in your head. So 52 00:02:43,613 --> 00:02:46,453 Speaker 5: come game day you should have all the team names 53 00:02:46,493 --> 00:02:50,013 Speaker 5: and the last names at least memorize you you've written 54 00:02:50,013 --> 00:02:51,533 Speaker 5: out all your notes that sort of thing. 55 00:02:53,093 --> 00:02:55,613 Speaker 4: And as I say, so come game day you're. 56 00:02:55,453 --> 00:03:00,213 Speaker 5: Sort of rearing and ready to go, and it's just 57 00:03:00,253 --> 00:03:04,013 Speaker 5: the waiting really. For TV, you have to be there 58 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:07,693 Speaker 5: roughly about two hours before kickoff, so just a lot 59 00:03:07,733 --> 00:03:09,933 Speaker 5: of waiting, a lot of an dissipation, and you just 60 00:03:09,973 --> 00:03:12,093 Speaker 5: wanted the game to start on the broadcast to start, 61 00:03:12,213 --> 00:03:16,173 Speaker 5: So all your prep has done well before game day. 62 00:03:16,453 --> 00:03:19,573 Speaker 5: As I say, game days on a Saturday, you try 63 00:03:19,573 --> 00:03:21,853 Speaker 5: to get your prep done by the Thursday night and 64 00:03:21,893 --> 00:03:25,093 Speaker 5: then it's as simply as it's the simple part. And 65 00:03:25,133 --> 00:03:28,613 Speaker 5: then is waiting and once kickoff happens, you're underweight. But yeah, 66 00:03:28,653 --> 00:03:30,773 Speaker 5: as I say, it's a lot of waiting and lead 67 00:03:30,853 --> 00:03:31,453 Speaker 5: up to kickoff. 68 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:34,733 Speaker 3: What's it like up in the box? What can you see? 69 00:03:34,853 --> 00:03:36,813 Speaker 3: What do you have in front of you? What's your 70 00:03:36,813 --> 00:03:39,293 Speaker 3: communication like off air with your co commentator. 71 00:03:40,693 --> 00:03:44,453 Speaker 4: Yep, I guess it's sort of similar to a radio 72 00:03:44,573 --> 00:03:46,373 Speaker 4: broadcast in terms of you've got a good view. 73 00:03:47,413 --> 00:03:52,093 Speaker 5: With TV, you watch the monitor a majority of the time, 74 00:03:52,213 --> 00:03:54,413 Speaker 5: I would say ninety five percent, if not one hundred 75 00:03:54,453 --> 00:03:55,253 Speaker 5: percent of the time. 76 00:03:55,613 --> 00:03:56,813 Speaker 4: You talk to those pictures. 77 00:03:57,893 --> 00:04:00,053 Speaker 5: With TV also, you have a director in your ear 78 00:04:00,093 --> 00:04:03,493 Speaker 5: that's telling you everything that's happening with the TV production 79 00:04:03,613 --> 00:04:05,253 Speaker 5: side of things. So you've got a lot of things 80 00:04:05,293 --> 00:04:08,293 Speaker 5: happening in your ear. As I say, you watch the TV, 81 00:04:09,653 --> 00:04:11,733 Speaker 5: me and the co commentator, whether it was Monty Bethan 82 00:04:11,813 --> 00:04:14,293 Speaker 5: or whoever else. You have a good conversation before the 83 00:04:14,333 --> 00:04:18,653 Speaker 5: game to establish what we want to do, and then yeah, 84 00:04:18,773 --> 00:04:20,733 Speaker 5: away we go. But as I say, a lot of 85 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:23,333 Speaker 5: it is watching the television, watching the monitor in front 86 00:04:23,373 --> 00:04:26,453 Speaker 5: of you. And with television especially you talk to the pictures. 87 00:04:27,653 --> 00:04:30,493 Speaker 3: Do you ever worry about you know, because there's a 88 00:04:30,533 --> 00:04:34,293 Speaker 3: lot of people watching bevans, I know you're aware. 89 00:04:34,613 --> 00:04:36,213 Speaker 2: Do you feel pressure and all? 90 00:04:36,253 --> 00:04:40,093 Speaker 3: Do you worry about mispronouncing a name or getting something 91 00:04:40,173 --> 00:04:43,453 Speaker 3: wrong or given the amount of attention and eyes and 92 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:45,253 Speaker 3: ears that you know are on you. 93 00:04:48,933 --> 00:04:51,613 Speaker 5: The hardest part for me and I would say a 94 00:04:51,613 --> 00:04:54,573 Speaker 5: lot of commentators, especially with TV, is that first five 95 00:04:54,653 --> 00:04:58,773 Speaker 5: minutes before kickoff, where you know, you spill off your 96 00:04:58,773 --> 00:05:02,253 Speaker 5: little wind tri you go through the team lists, give 97 00:05:02,253 --> 00:05:04,293 Speaker 5: your throw to your co commentator, and then throw to 98 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:06,573 Speaker 5: the sideline commentator. 99 00:05:07,093 --> 00:05:09,133 Speaker 4: All that stuff leading up to kick off is the 100 00:05:09,173 --> 00:05:09,813 Speaker 4: hard part. 101 00:05:11,613 --> 00:05:15,293 Speaker 5: Once kickoff happens, that's where you go into your natural 102 00:05:15,893 --> 00:05:20,373 Speaker 5: zone of commentating, and if you've practiced enough, you should 103 00:05:20,373 --> 00:05:20,933 Speaker 5: be sweet. 104 00:05:21,373 --> 00:05:22,853 Speaker 4: As long as you're practiced enough. 105 00:05:24,293 --> 00:05:27,693 Speaker 5: I mean I didn't just get given the Warriors overnight. 106 00:05:27,933 --> 00:05:31,533 Speaker 5: I've been commentating for Scott the last ten years, and 107 00:05:31,613 --> 00:05:33,773 Speaker 5: before that, you know you'd practice at home in front 108 00:05:33,773 --> 00:05:34,213 Speaker 5: of the TV. 109 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:37,293 Speaker 4: You do it over and over and over and over 110 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:39,093 Speaker 4: and over again until you're confidence. 111 00:05:39,133 --> 00:05:41,733 Speaker 5: So, as I say, come kick off in front of anyone, 112 00:05:41,773 --> 00:05:44,453 Speaker 5: in front of any game. As long as you've done 113 00:05:44,493 --> 00:05:46,613 Speaker 5: your research and your homework, and you've got the names 114 00:05:46,693 --> 00:05:50,813 Speaker 5: and your heads memorized, you should be sweet. As I say, 115 00:05:50,853 --> 00:05:53,213 Speaker 5: the hardest part, and with TV, especially as that first 116 00:05:53,213 --> 00:05:55,253 Speaker 5: five minutes before kickoff where you've just got to go 117 00:05:55,293 --> 00:05:57,813 Speaker 5: through all the team lists and any little intro and 118 00:05:57,853 --> 00:05:58,413 Speaker 5: that sort of thing. 119 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:02,493 Speaker 3: Obviously you said you've been commentating for a decade now, 120 00:06:02,533 --> 00:06:04,613 Speaker 3: and I know you've done plenty of New South Wales Cup, 121 00:06:04,613 --> 00:06:08,013 Speaker 3: but particularly a lot of rugby and across all of 122 00:06:08,053 --> 00:06:10,853 Speaker 3: that experience that you have, is there's some stuff, you know. 123 00:06:11,013 --> 00:06:12,773 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's been a few moments. Do you have 124 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:16,373 Speaker 3: like a funniest memory or even a blunder from all 125 00:06:16,413 --> 00:06:19,933 Speaker 3: your vast experience commentating that stands out to you? 126 00:06:20,653 --> 00:06:20,773 Speaker 6: Uh? 127 00:06:21,213 --> 00:06:25,773 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been heaps of blunders, mate, heaps of blunders. 128 00:06:25,773 --> 00:06:26,573 Speaker 4: Well, I guess you know. 129 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:28,733 Speaker 5: There was a few years ago I through I threw 130 00:06:29,133 --> 00:06:32,413 Speaker 5: down to the sideline commentator to interview a player and 131 00:06:32,453 --> 00:06:34,133 Speaker 5: I said that the wrong player's name. 132 00:06:34,293 --> 00:06:36,213 Speaker 4: That sort of thing that that happens all the time. 133 00:06:36,933 --> 00:06:39,493 Speaker 5: The good thing with TV in live sport is that 134 00:06:39,973 --> 00:06:44,613 Speaker 5: it happens just like that within an instant, and people forget, 135 00:06:44,733 --> 00:06:47,533 Speaker 5: well I do anyway, and it's important to forget your Well, 136 00:06:47,853 --> 00:06:50,573 Speaker 5: learn from your mistakes, but learn to forgive yourself and 137 00:06:50,653 --> 00:06:55,453 Speaker 5: move on. There's no point dwelling on it because it 138 00:06:55,533 --> 00:06:58,173 Speaker 5: will it will end up consuming you and then it 139 00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,933 Speaker 5: ends up actually affecting your commentating as you go through 140 00:07:00,973 --> 00:07:01,453 Speaker 5: your careers. 141 00:07:01,533 --> 00:07:04,733 Speaker 4: So look, you learn from your mistakes. As we all 142 00:07:04,733 --> 00:07:05,653 Speaker 4: do we tend. 143 00:07:05,453 --> 00:07:08,773 Speaker 5: To punch ourselves and say, hey, look it, don't do 144 00:07:08,853 --> 00:07:10,973 Speaker 5: that again. But as long as you learn, that's the 145 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:14,093 Speaker 5: main thing. And as I said, he behaves a blunders. 146 00:07:13,893 --> 00:07:14,893 Speaker 4: Not nothing major. 147 00:07:15,013 --> 00:07:19,493 Speaker 5: I haven't done anything stupid like swear or anything, but 148 00:07:20,813 --> 00:07:22,853 Speaker 5: you know, just simple little things like giving giving the 149 00:07:22,893 --> 00:07:27,093 Speaker 5: wrong name here, or pronouncing the wrong the wrong pronunciation 150 00:07:27,253 --> 00:07:29,373 Speaker 5: or that sort of thing. But as soon as someone 151 00:07:29,413 --> 00:07:31,733 Speaker 5: corrects you, you go Okay, what happened again? And it 152 00:07:31,813 --> 00:07:34,613 Speaker 5: usually doesn't. So that's the main thing, as long as 153 00:07:34,653 --> 00:07:35,773 Speaker 5: you learn from your mistakes. 154 00:07:36,733 --> 00:07:40,293 Speaker 3: Just finally, Bevin, is there any advice or any thing 155 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:44,013 Speaker 3: you'd say to any young people or old people listening, 156 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:47,973 Speaker 3: anyone who wants to perhaps pursue this as a career 157 00:07:48,013 --> 00:07:51,013 Speaker 3: as a passion. How do you end up being an 158 00:07:51,173 --> 00:07:52,213 Speaker 3: NRL commentator? 159 00:07:54,813 --> 00:07:57,613 Speaker 5: Practice practice, practice, practice, practice. 160 00:07:58,133 --> 00:08:03,813 Speaker 4: Until you think you are at a standard where. 161 00:08:05,813 --> 00:08:08,173 Speaker 5: You feel like you could put your name out there, 162 00:08:08,413 --> 00:08:12,013 Speaker 5: least get in contact with an executive producer or someone 163 00:08:12,093 --> 00:08:14,333 Speaker 5: involved in media that could possibly give you a crack, 164 00:08:14,413 --> 00:08:15,333 Speaker 5: and then go from there. 165 00:08:15,613 --> 00:08:18,253 Speaker 4: But I do recommend that. 166 00:08:18,253 --> 00:08:20,893 Speaker 5: Your practice, practice practice first too, to get up to 167 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:24,373 Speaker 5: a standard where you're confident that you could go a 168 00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:27,413 Speaker 5: little bit further than what you've been doing. And then yeah, 169 00:08:27,813 --> 00:08:32,413 Speaker 5: getting in contact with a TV executive or a media 170 00:08:32,733 --> 00:08:34,813 Speaker 5: executive who could get to the next level. 171 00:08:34,813 --> 00:08:35,773 Speaker 4: That that would be the idea. 172 00:08:35,813 --> 00:08:37,813 Speaker 5: But the main thing is practice until you get to 173 00:08:37,813 --> 00:08:42,093 Speaker 5: a standard that, in your opinion, is good enough to 174 00:08:42,453 --> 00:08:43,213 Speaker 5: go the next step. 175 00:08:43,453 --> 00:08:44,653 Speaker 2: All right, I write that down. 176 00:08:44,853 --> 00:08:48,493 Speaker 3: Hey, thank you Bevin so much for your time and 177 00:08:48,813 --> 00:08:52,053 Speaker 3: joining us on the Big League Podcast. Really appreciate your 178 00:08:52,093 --> 00:08:55,813 Speaker 3: wisdom and your insight on what is I'm sure a 179 00:08:55,853 --> 00:08:59,173 Speaker 3: pathway that many fans are listening would be very interested in. 180 00:08:59,213 --> 00:08:59,893 Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. 181 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:02,893 Speaker 4: Now, thank you Nathan and all the best for twenty 182 00:09:02,933 --> 00:09:06,733 Speaker 4: twenty five. This is the Big League. 183 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:10,613 Speaker 1: Podcast on the Worries Bad since day one. 184 00:09:12,253 --> 00:09:14,493 Speaker 7: This is the Big League Podcast. 185 00:09:15,533 --> 00:09:19,893 Speaker 3: Michael Burgess, senior New Zealand Herald writer, Welcome into the 186 00:09:19,973 --> 00:09:23,653 Speaker 3: podcast as I head butt the mic Bevan Joey. 187 00:09:23,653 --> 00:09:25,053 Speaker 2: It was lovely to hear from him. 188 00:09:25,093 --> 00:09:28,053 Speaker 3: Obviously sort of a colleague of ours given all his 189 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:31,533 Speaker 3: work for Gold Sport as well, but I loved hearing 190 00:09:31,533 --> 00:09:33,853 Speaker 3: his insight, I suppose, and to the game to experience 191 00:09:33,893 --> 00:09:36,893 Speaker 3: the prep that goes into commentating the Warriors, but also 192 00:09:36,893 --> 00:09:41,373 Speaker 3: his stuff around making mistakes, not dwelling on things, and 193 00:09:41,413 --> 00:09:43,573 Speaker 3: being able to move forward, because if you dwell on mistakes, 194 00:09:43,613 --> 00:09:45,653 Speaker 3: it's like anything in life, it's just going to affect 195 00:09:45,693 --> 00:09:46,893 Speaker 3: you going forward, and you've just. 196 00:09:46,893 --> 00:09:49,093 Speaker 2: Got to drop it, just like a player, isn't it. 197 00:09:49,093 --> 00:09:51,533 Speaker 6: You've got to keep going for the next half hour 198 00:09:51,653 --> 00:09:54,013 Speaker 6: how long the game goes. Especially these days, it is 199 00:09:54,053 --> 00:09:56,933 Speaker 6: a problem these days because people will clip up that 200 00:09:57,053 --> 00:09:59,373 Speaker 6: mistake and they might replay it on social media, so 201 00:09:59,493 --> 00:10:02,293 Speaker 6: it's even harder to be a commentator. But I think 202 00:10:02,813 --> 00:10:05,413 Speaker 6: with him, with Glenn Lamer, of course, he does a 203 00:10:05,413 --> 00:10:09,173 Speaker 6: lot of the Warriors games. They've had a really tough 204 00:10:09,493 --> 00:10:11,933 Speaker 6: job in twenty twenty five if you look at the 205 00:10:11,973 --> 00:10:14,573 Speaker 6: season as a whole, not as tough as previous seasons. 206 00:10:14,613 --> 00:10:17,293 Speaker 6: But what I'm getting to is all those close finishes 207 00:10:17,333 --> 00:10:20,373 Speaker 6: and just such such topsy, twovy games. I don't know, 208 00:10:20,613 --> 00:10:22,173 Speaker 6: it takes a lot of energy out of you writing 209 00:10:22,213 --> 00:10:25,173 Speaker 6: a metroport let alone trying to trying to commentate these 210 00:10:25,213 --> 00:10:27,413 Speaker 6: games that just swing so much. But it also must 211 00:10:27,493 --> 00:10:28,293 Speaker 6: be an absolutely thrill. 212 00:10:28,693 --> 00:10:30,733 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can, and you can hear it in 213 00:10:30,773 --> 00:10:32,613 Speaker 3: their voices as well as I love it when you 214 00:10:32,613 --> 00:10:35,853 Speaker 3: can hear the commentators just excited as any regular fan, 215 00:10:35,893 --> 00:10:38,093 Speaker 3: and that really brings you into the game. And even 216 00:10:38,173 --> 00:10:40,813 Speaker 3: even you know the Australian commentators where they're not even 217 00:10:40,973 --> 00:10:43,213 Speaker 3: they're not even commentating the game. Someone will kick a 218 00:10:43,253 --> 00:10:46,413 Speaker 3: forty meter field goal and they're not even they're. 219 00:10:46,173 --> 00:10:47,773 Speaker 2: Just going ah. 220 00:10:48,293 --> 00:10:50,293 Speaker 3: In the background. There's three of them and they're all 221 00:10:50,293 --> 00:10:54,733 Speaker 3: piling on. It's really funny as well. But anyway, let's 222 00:10:54,733 --> 00:10:57,893 Speaker 3: move on to the Warriors. The Warriors second equal on 223 00:10:57,933 --> 00:11:00,573 Speaker 3: the ladder because they picked up a lovely two points 224 00:11:00,653 --> 00:11:03,893 Speaker 3: off the buye on twenty four points alongside the Raiders, 225 00:11:03,973 --> 00:11:07,013 Speaker 3: with the Bulldogs beating the Bunnies twenty four eighteen to 226 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:10,533 Speaker 3: stay top on twenty six and the Warriors. They go 227 00:11:10,693 --> 00:11:15,013 Speaker 3: up against the four time premiership winning Penrith Panthers on 228 00:11:15,093 --> 00:11:18,933 Speaker 3: Saturday night at Mount Smart. The Panthers they sit ninth 229 00:11:18,973 --> 00:11:22,093 Speaker 3: on the table with five wins, seven losses and a draw. 230 00:11:22,453 --> 00:11:24,893 Speaker 3: They beat the Sharks in Las Vegas to start the year, 231 00:11:24,933 --> 00:11:28,893 Speaker 3: but then they lost five straight games and everyone was 232 00:11:28,933 --> 00:11:32,293 Speaker 3: scratching their heads, going wows, this is the impact of 233 00:11:32,413 --> 00:11:36,613 Speaker 3: losing Janie Fisher. Howis Jerome Lewy and the like? But 234 00:11:36,653 --> 00:11:38,813 Speaker 3: they won their last two. They've turned the corner and 235 00:11:38,853 --> 00:11:41,693 Speaker 3: obviously Michael Burgers. A few weeks ago Nick Beuley saying 236 00:11:41,733 --> 00:11:43,893 Speaker 3: on this podcast that he could see them going on 237 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:46,773 Speaker 3: an absolute tear and still making the eight from being 238 00:11:47,053 --> 00:11:49,893 Speaker 3: the bottom of the ladder several rounds and they're coming 239 00:11:49,893 --> 00:11:52,453 Speaker 3: off the by but had an eighteen fourteen win. 240 00:11:52,573 --> 00:11:54,053 Speaker 2: Over the Tigers couple of weeks ago. 241 00:11:54,773 --> 00:11:56,653 Speaker 6: I think I agreed with Nick at the time from 242 00:11:56,653 --> 00:12:00,053 Speaker 6: memory book, because here we go the hindsight agreement. 243 00:12:00,133 --> 00:12:00,493 Speaker 2: There we go. 244 00:12:00,573 --> 00:12:03,693 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course Nick's are very smart man. But I 245 00:12:03,773 --> 00:12:08,093 Speaker 6: do remember a debate between three Australian journalists just after 246 00:12:08,133 --> 00:12:12,053 Speaker 6: that fifth in a row and saying where are the 247 00:12:12,053 --> 00:12:12,933 Speaker 6: Panthers going from here? 248 00:12:12,933 --> 00:12:16,013 Speaker 2: Are they gone? And the view of the Tasmon year 249 00:12:16,013 --> 00:12:17,533 Speaker 2: was yeah, they're gone. They're not going to come back 250 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:17,813 Speaker 2: from this. 251 00:12:17,813 --> 00:12:20,053 Speaker 6: Their bottom, as you say, bottom of the table record 252 00:12:20,093 --> 00:12:21,613 Speaker 6: one and five. Then I think it went to two 253 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:25,333 Speaker 6: and six. But I always felt they had it in 254 00:12:25,333 --> 00:12:26,813 Speaker 6: them to make a run. And now you look at 255 00:12:26,853 --> 00:12:30,333 Speaker 6: them now they're ninth. You know they're going to be 256 00:12:30,373 --> 00:12:32,893 Speaker 6: the team that gets into the eighth and someone else's 257 00:12:32,893 --> 00:12:35,853 Speaker 6: displaced because they've just got the experience and know how 258 00:12:35,893 --> 00:12:38,053 Speaker 6: around this time of year. But I think we should 259 00:12:38,093 --> 00:12:40,973 Speaker 6: have a little pause. This is a bit of a moment, Nathan, 260 00:12:41,013 --> 00:12:44,053 Speaker 6: because well, we've been doing this podcast for a couple 261 00:12:44,093 --> 00:12:47,093 Speaker 6: of years, but even before that, over the last few years, 262 00:12:47,093 --> 00:12:50,613 Speaker 6: been a lot of hard times following covering the Warriors. 263 00:12:50,653 --> 00:12:53,613 Speaker 6: But you know the fact that they're sitting second equal 264 00:12:54,533 --> 00:12:57,413 Speaker 6: and Penrith and ninth whoever, I mentioned that in the 265 00:12:57,493 --> 00:13:00,493 Speaker 6: last few years, you know, and not just after two 266 00:13:00,533 --> 00:13:03,293 Speaker 6: weeks of the season. This is we're almost in July. 267 00:13:03,413 --> 00:13:06,653 Speaker 6: I mean, this is just this is quite a beautiful moment. 268 00:13:06,733 --> 00:13:09,093 Speaker 6: You know that it's Penrith are the ones that doing 269 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:11,613 Speaker 6: the maths and trying to get themselves into the eight, 270 00:13:11,693 --> 00:13:13,893 Speaker 6: and the Warriors are the Warriors are locked in there. 271 00:13:13,933 --> 00:13:17,653 Speaker 6: It's it's it's quite beautiful. But I don't think we're 272 00:13:17,733 --> 00:13:20,973 Speaker 6: quite at mathematical odds with Penrith yet and at ninth 273 00:13:21,013 --> 00:13:22,813 Speaker 6: on the table at this at this stage of the season. 274 00:13:23,013 --> 00:13:25,173 Speaker 6: He said, they've won two on the bounce. You'd have 275 00:13:25,253 --> 00:13:26,973 Speaker 6: to back them to make the eight. As you said, 276 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:29,413 Speaker 6: they've got they've got the know how for this point 277 00:13:29,613 --> 00:13:32,813 Speaker 6: of the season. Nathan Clear as their captain obviously they've 278 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:34,413 Speaker 6: got all the experience. 279 00:13:34,813 --> 00:13:37,813 Speaker 3: They've lost those players that I mentioned before. James Fisher 280 00:13:37,813 --> 00:13:40,373 Speaker 3: Harris was obviously massive for them. We've seen the impact 281 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:42,773 Speaker 3: of him at the Warriors to so to lose a 282 00:13:42,853 --> 00:13:46,693 Speaker 3: leader like that, but they've also got, you know, young 283 00:13:46,773 --> 00:13:51,333 Speaker 3: guns stepping up, players who before this season we'd never 284 00:13:51,413 --> 00:13:54,493 Speaker 3: heard of. I and my eye on Thomas Jenkins against 285 00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:57,413 Speaker 3: in that game against the Tigers, produced a hat trick 286 00:13:57,613 --> 00:14:01,493 Speaker 3: and he was running riots and brilliant footwork, speed, power 287 00:14:01,533 --> 00:14:05,133 Speaker 3: and contact. He's on that left edge, so it'll be 288 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:07,853 Speaker 3: the Warrior's right edge defense which has been vulnerable that 289 00:14:08,013 --> 00:14:10,973 Speaker 3: it's last few weeks and we've talked about that quite 290 00:14:11,053 --> 00:14:14,373 Speaker 3: a lot. Did you know Thomas Jenkins before this and 291 00:14:14,653 --> 00:14:17,133 Speaker 3: what can you say that the Warriors might have been looking. 292 00:14:16,933 --> 00:14:17,933 Speaker 2: At in terms of that defense? 293 00:14:18,373 --> 00:14:20,613 Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know much about Thomas Jenkins, but as 294 00:14:20,653 --> 00:14:22,813 Speaker 6: you say, a lot of pace, a lot of danger. 295 00:14:23,653 --> 00:14:26,573 Speaker 6: Penrith are a little bit like the storm, aren't they? 296 00:14:26,653 --> 00:14:30,413 Speaker 6: That these players you haven't heard of just come in 297 00:14:30,533 --> 00:14:33,013 Speaker 6: and perform, and the Warriors have been doing that this year, 298 00:14:33,053 --> 00:14:35,093 Speaker 6: which has been great players we have heard of, but 299 00:14:35,093 --> 00:14:38,853 Speaker 6: players with less experience come and do the job. Penrith 300 00:14:38,853 --> 00:14:40,733 Speaker 6: have been doing it for the last four seasons because 301 00:14:40,733 --> 00:14:44,333 Speaker 6: the list of players you talked about departing, they've had 302 00:14:44,333 --> 00:14:47,293 Speaker 6: that were the last four seasons, haven't they with leaving 303 00:14:47,333 --> 00:14:51,053 Speaker 6: This guy leaves, that guy leaves, and they've always found 304 00:14:51,053 --> 00:14:52,573 Speaker 6: a way. This year has been a bit hard. It's 305 00:14:52,853 --> 00:14:55,493 Speaker 6: feels like a step too far because you know, if 306 00:14:55,493 --> 00:14:58,493 Speaker 6: you look at their team from nineteen twenty, it's been 307 00:14:58,653 --> 00:14:59,853 Speaker 6: you know, it's completely changed. 308 00:14:59,893 --> 00:15:01,093 Speaker 2: But yeah, they'll still be there. 309 00:15:02,613 --> 00:15:08,573 Speaker 6: The recipe for doing well against the Panthers feels like, well, 310 00:15:08,693 --> 00:15:10,933 Speaker 6: you think, but the Warriors and the Panthers got quite 311 00:15:11,253 --> 00:15:15,333 Speaker 6: similar game plans. The Warriors the Panthers' success has been 312 00:15:15,333 --> 00:15:21,493 Speaker 6: built on just ruthless defense, high completions, and being efficient 313 00:15:21,493 --> 00:15:24,133 Speaker 6: in everything they do, especially one percent is. And if 314 00:15:24,213 --> 00:15:26,653 Speaker 6: you look at what the Warrior's success this year, you 315 00:15:26,773 --> 00:15:29,853 Speaker 6: talk about defense in almost all the games. I think 316 00:15:29,853 --> 00:15:32,733 Speaker 6: they've got the highest completions in the NRL, and they 317 00:15:32,733 --> 00:15:35,773 Speaker 6: have become known as a team of one percent is 318 00:15:35,813 --> 00:15:37,613 Speaker 6: because it's all these one percenters that have made the 319 00:15:37,653 --> 00:15:39,053 Speaker 6: difference in all those close matches. 320 00:15:39,093 --> 00:15:42,173 Speaker 2: So the blueprint is quite similar. 321 00:15:42,293 --> 00:15:44,293 Speaker 3: And it's no surprise that they would have a similar 322 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:48,813 Speaker 3: game plan to Penrith given Andrew Webster, former Panthers assistant coach. 323 00:15:49,613 --> 00:15:53,973 Speaker 3: There are several elements of this game that are really interesting, 324 00:15:54,213 --> 00:15:57,373 Speaker 3: I suppose in terms of a Warrior's perspective. The first 325 00:15:57,373 --> 00:16:03,333 Speaker 3: one is Metcalf versus Clary, the dally M leader. Luke Metcalf, 326 00:16:03,373 --> 00:16:08,333 Speaker 3: would you believe it up against well the goat really 327 00:16:08,573 --> 00:16:11,453 Speaker 3: in modern times, Nathan Cleary in terms of what he's 328 00:16:11,453 --> 00:16:14,653 Speaker 3: been able to produce for so many years. And I 329 00:16:14,693 --> 00:16:17,493 Speaker 3: suppose weeks ago when the Warriors played the Rabbit O's 330 00:16:17,573 --> 00:16:19,213 Speaker 3: there was a lot of you know, we asked Luke 331 00:16:19,253 --> 00:16:23,253 Speaker 3: about coming up against Adam Reynolds and him describing Adam 332 00:16:23,253 --> 00:16:26,053 Speaker 3: Reynolds as you know, what he sees is the best 333 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:29,893 Speaker 3: kicker that's right in the NRL and in modern history. 334 00:16:30,533 --> 00:16:34,573 Speaker 3: But Nathan Cleary just the all round half and what 335 00:16:34,613 --> 00:16:36,653 Speaker 3: he's done in State of Origin as well. I hope 336 00:16:36,653 --> 00:16:38,573 Speaker 3: they put I don't know if they're putting Luke Metcalf 337 00:16:38,653 --> 00:16:40,293 Speaker 3: up for media this week, but I hope they do 338 00:16:40,773 --> 00:16:43,053 Speaker 3: because asking him about that battle, how do you see 339 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:43,973 Speaker 3: that playing now? 340 00:16:44,813 --> 00:16:49,093 Speaker 6: Well he is he'd be one of the more inform 341 00:16:49,173 --> 00:16:53,893 Speaker 6: and confident halves in the competition right now, Metcalfe, he hasn't. 342 00:16:54,333 --> 00:16:57,133 Speaker 2: He hasn't had amazing games every week. He's he's the 343 00:16:57,213 --> 00:16:57,973 Speaker 2: daim leader. 344 00:16:58,053 --> 00:17:00,173 Speaker 6: That's what I mean. He's been up and down, but 345 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,253 Speaker 6: he's done all this. He's done a lot of individual 346 00:17:02,333 --> 00:17:05,853 Speaker 6: brilliance that has also contributed. Like his organization hasn't always 347 00:17:05,933 --> 00:17:08,053 Speaker 6: been where he wants it to be. It's getting better. 348 00:17:08,573 --> 00:17:12,413 Speaker 6: But for a guy that had never played virtually never 349 00:17:12,453 --> 00:17:16,253 Speaker 6: played number seven in the NRL because he'd been at 350 00:17:16,253 --> 00:17:20,813 Speaker 6: standoff five eight has been. 351 00:17:20,813 --> 00:17:22,773 Speaker 2: He's been. He's been amazing, he really has. 352 00:17:22,893 --> 00:17:27,093 Speaker 6: But the other thing that occurs to me is the 353 00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:30,933 Speaker 6: big tests sort of start now, don't they, Because this 354 00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:33,893 Speaker 6: is always the crunch time in a season July August. 355 00:17:34,573 --> 00:17:37,133 Speaker 6: Team start to play better, the pressions on more so 356 00:17:37,853 --> 00:17:39,053 Speaker 6: he'll have to go to another level. 357 00:17:39,213 --> 00:17:40,933 Speaker 2: That's that's probably the test for Luke. 358 00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:43,373 Speaker 6: He'll have to take his game to another level and 359 00:17:43,533 --> 00:17:47,533 Speaker 6: be a bit more accurate, a bit more organized, a 360 00:17:47,533 --> 00:17:49,853 Speaker 6: bit better with his with his plays in the red zone, 361 00:17:49,893 --> 00:17:51,453 Speaker 6: all those kind of things we've talked about. 362 00:17:52,093 --> 00:17:53,453 Speaker 2: But the foundation is there. 363 00:17:54,413 --> 00:17:56,933 Speaker 3: Another aspect of this game I suppose that I find 364 00:17:56,973 --> 00:17:59,733 Speaker 3: interesting is the James Fisher Harris playing against his former 365 00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:03,813 Speaker 3: team who's won premiership after premiership with he's playing them 366 00:18:03,853 --> 00:18:05,453 Speaker 3: for the first time. And I don't think he'd ever 367 00:18:06,213 --> 00:18:09,053 Speaker 3: say this public le or admit it, but I reckon 368 00:18:09,053 --> 00:18:11,373 Speaker 3: he would get fired up for this. This is one 369 00:18:11,413 --> 00:18:13,373 Speaker 3: of those games he might have circled on the counting 370 00:18:13,373 --> 00:18:16,053 Speaker 3: and gone, you know what, might have a bit of 371 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:17,693 Speaker 3: a not a point to prove because he doesn't have 372 00:18:17,733 --> 00:18:20,053 Speaker 3: anything to prove at the stage of his career. But 373 00:18:20,093 --> 00:18:22,293 Speaker 3: I think coming up against this former teammates, he'll be 374 00:18:22,293 --> 00:18:23,093 Speaker 3: a bit right up for this. 375 00:18:23,493 --> 00:18:25,253 Speaker 6: I don't know, I think it might be the opposite. 376 00:18:25,413 --> 00:18:26,893 Speaker 6: I don't know if I agree with you there, but 377 00:18:27,933 --> 00:18:28,613 Speaker 6: I hope you're right. 378 00:18:28,653 --> 00:18:30,693 Speaker 2: I think it might be a really. 379 00:18:30,533 --> 00:18:33,693 Speaker 6: Hard game of him to play because I think he 380 00:18:33,853 --> 00:18:37,293 Speaker 6: still bleeds Penrith. He was there for a decade. He 381 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:40,733 Speaker 6: went there as a sixteen seventeen year old from the 382 00:18:40,733 --> 00:18:44,653 Speaker 6: Far North, spent his whole life there. That bond between 383 00:18:45,093 --> 00:18:47,093 Speaker 6: the Gos and that team. To go to five Grand 384 00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:49,493 Speaker 6: finals in a row, win four of them, it's just 385 00:18:49,733 --> 00:18:53,133 Speaker 6: absolutely crazy and it's hard to imagine he'd be able 386 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:55,293 Speaker 6: to just switch that off when he sees them. It's 387 00:18:55,293 --> 00:18:59,053 Speaker 6: going to be a really weird night for him. And 388 00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:01,573 Speaker 6: he's so committed to the Warriors. You're exactly right, and 389 00:19:01,613 --> 00:19:05,013 Speaker 6: he'll want to do well, but I think it could 390 00:19:05,053 --> 00:19:07,293 Speaker 6: be one of those ones where if we talked to 391 00:19:07,333 --> 00:19:10,013 Speaker 6: him after the game, it was kind of hard to 392 00:19:10,053 --> 00:19:12,813 Speaker 6: look up and see see Nathan, and to see Ivan 393 00:19:12,853 --> 00:19:15,133 Speaker 6: and the other coaches box and to see different players around. 394 00:19:15,573 --> 00:19:16,053 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 395 00:19:16,093 --> 00:19:17,733 Speaker 6: I'm not sure how he's going to be, but it 396 00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:18,773 Speaker 6: could be quite hard for him. 397 00:19:18,933 --> 00:19:23,013 Speaker 3: The Big League Podcast podcast, right, we don't really talk 398 00:19:23,053 --> 00:19:25,093 Speaker 3: about the new South Wales Cup team hell of a 399 00:19:25,133 --> 00:19:28,613 Speaker 3: lot on this podcast, Burge, but it's important to mention 400 00:19:28,693 --> 00:19:32,573 Speaker 3: them today because over the weekend they won their ninth 401 00:19:32,813 --> 00:19:36,173 Speaker 3: straight game, which is a club record, after beating a 402 00:19:36,253 --> 00:19:40,053 Speaker 3: Paramatta forty six twenty two, so the thirteenth win of 403 00:19:40,093 --> 00:19:43,013 Speaker 3: the season, the top of the ladder on twenty eight points. 404 00:19:43,853 --> 00:19:47,653 Speaker 3: And this really just speaks to how good the Warriors 405 00:19:47,693 --> 00:19:50,053 Speaker 3: development system is because if you look at the lineup, 406 00:19:50,573 --> 00:19:52,733 Speaker 3: the lineups that they've been producing for these New South 407 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:56,493 Speaker 3: Wales Cup game reserve grade games, the halves combination has 408 00:19:56,533 --> 00:20:00,653 Speaker 3: been to Marty Martin tone of Boyd, which is a 409 00:20:00,773 --> 00:20:03,493 Speaker 3: that is a first grade halves combination, but also the 410 00:20:03,573 --> 00:20:06,053 Speaker 3: likes have came to a peaky ed Corsey, tom Alea, 411 00:20:06,493 --> 00:20:09,733 Speaker 3: Freddy Lassek BUNTI R Fire, no wonder they've been winning 412 00:20:09,733 --> 00:20:10,213 Speaker 3: games Birds. 413 00:20:10,253 --> 00:20:12,333 Speaker 2: They've got almost a first grade team. 414 00:20:12,893 --> 00:20:14,493 Speaker 6: Oh that has helped, I mean because some of those 415 00:20:14,493 --> 00:20:17,573 Speaker 6: guys have normally been first grade, but their places have 416 00:20:17,613 --> 00:20:20,093 Speaker 6: been taken by young guys, which I think was what 417 00:20:20,213 --> 00:20:20,653 Speaker 6: you mentioned. 418 00:20:20,693 --> 00:20:23,693 Speaker 2: What you're meaning by the pathways around those guys. 419 00:20:23,733 --> 00:20:26,613 Speaker 6: There's a lot of kids though, so they've got some names. 420 00:20:26,653 --> 00:20:29,253 Speaker 6: I've also got a lot of kids. It's very exciting. 421 00:20:29,373 --> 00:20:32,693 Speaker 6: I mean, nine straight wins club record. As you say, 422 00:20:34,333 --> 00:20:39,293 Speaker 6: there's seven and seven and zero away. That's even more 423 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:42,573 Speaker 6: impressive for me because away from home, playing reserve grade, 424 00:20:42,573 --> 00:20:44,413 Speaker 6: you're not playing in front of big crowds. There's no 425 00:20:44,453 --> 00:20:47,453 Speaker 6: Warriors fans there. Normally you're playing at some often playing 426 00:20:47,493 --> 00:20:51,213 Speaker 6: at some you know, smaller park. So to do that 427 00:20:51,253 --> 00:20:54,933 Speaker 6: so consistently away from home. And I'd like to mention 428 00:20:55,053 --> 00:20:57,453 Speaker 6: ton of Boyd and Tomato, but especially a ton of 429 00:20:57,493 --> 00:20:59,693 Speaker 6: Boyd because he got signed from the Titans. He's a 430 00:21:00,253 --> 00:21:03,533 Speaker 6: you know, he's been a first grade regular. Comes in 431 00:21:04,653 --> 00:21:07,733 Speaker 6: has yet to play a minute of first grade, and 432 00:21:08,173 --> 00:21:10,493 Speaker 6: he's kept turning up every week in reserve grade and 433 00:21:10,533 --> 00:21:13,733 Speaker 6: from what I've seen, playing really well, like he could 434 00:21:13,733 --> 00:21:16,053 Speaker 6: have just been kicking star and has dropped his lips. 435 00:21:16,253 --> 00:21:19,573 Speaker 2: I think for me that kind of sums up. 436 00:21:19,493 --> 00:21:22,413 Speaker 6: The culture at the club that a new guy come 437 00:21:22,493 --> 00:21:25,533 Speaker 6: in expecting to play or expecting to get a chance 438 00:21:25,573 --> 00:21:28,853 Speaker 6: here and there, but has performed so well in reserve grade. 439 00:21:28,973 --> 00:21:31,293 Speaker 6: But we need to also mention the horrible incident that 440 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:35,573 Speaker 6: game towards the end with two ol biki absolutely pole 441 00:21:35,613 --> 00:21:37,013 Speaker 6: Axt taken. 442 00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:39,053 Speaker 2: Out in the last few minutes. By this. 443 00:21:40,253 --> 00:21:42,093 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not even going to try and describe the 444 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:44,493 Speaker 6: guy because he must be an absolute meathead to do 445 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:47,053 Speaker 6: what he did with the game already over the score. 446 00:21:47,093 --> 00:21:50,053 Speaker 6: You know, I hope he gets a long spell and 447 00:21:50,133 --> 00:21:52,373 Speaker 6: just really it was not I wouldn't even recommend watching 448 00:21:52,373 --> 00:21:52,853 Speaker 6: the replay. 449 00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:53,933 Speaker 2: Not nice to see it all. 450 00:21:54,693 --> 00:21:57,373 Speaker 6: Luckily Tane was able to walk off, but he was 451 00:21:57,413 --> 00:22:01,333 Speaker 6: completely knocked out, and it's just something you hope they's 452 00:22:01,373 --> 00:22:02,893 Speaker 6: still trying to work to get out of the game, 453 00:22:02,933 --> 00:22:04,573 Speaker 6: and you just see moments like that and you think, 454 00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,373 Speaker 6: what is going on? So let's hope he recovers well, 455 00:22:07,373 --> 00:22:09,853 Speaker 6: but obviously he'll be able to tension for a couple 456 00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:12,933 Speaker 6: of weeks. You think, can you explain the incident? I 457 00:22:13,013 --> 00:22:15,173 Speaker 6: just got completely pollox. You know, you just got completely 458 00:22:15,173 --> 00:22:20,773 Speaker 6: smashed just after you passed the ball. But super high. 459 00:22:20,973 --> 00:22:24,413 Speaker 6: The Sydney the Daily Telegraph and their story said that, 460 00:22:24,493 --> 00:22:27,533 Speaker 6: you know, you're virtually decapitated him, which is a bit 461 00:22:27,733 --> 00:22:30,773 Speaker 6: over the top obviously, but super high. And it wasn't 462 00:22:30,813 --> 00:22:32,333 Speaker 6: one of those ones where you thought, oh yeah, I 463 00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:34,293 Speaker 6: could see that it was a bit of an accident 464 00:22:34,453 --> 00:22:38,213 Speaker 6: or taine slipped. It was just came up smashed them, 465 00:22:39,093 --> 00:22:41,013 Speaker 6: sort of something you'd see, you know, from years ago, 466 00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:44,533 Speaker 6: that they're trying to get out of the game big. 467 00:22:45,653 --> 00:22:46,613 Speaker 2: What state of origin? 468 00:22:46,973 --> 00:22:51,213 Speaker 3: Game two is on Wednesday night's time of recording is 469 00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:55,253 Speaker 3: a Monday. Queensland versus New South Wales in Perth is 470 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:59,013 Speaker 3: they like to take games to somewhere outside of New 471 00:22:59,013 --> 00:23:02,133 Speaker 3: South Wales and Queensland, so this one over and w 472 00:23:02,373 --> 00:23:05,053 Speaker 3: a late team news in regards to New South Wales, 473 00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:09,293 Speaker 3: rabbito second right Keon Kalam Tonguey is suffered has suffered 474 00:23:09,293 --> 00:23:12,853 Speaker 3: a suspected fractured eye socket and the loss to the 475 00:23:13,013 --> 00:23:17,893 Speaker 3: Bulldogs means Bulldogs opposite Jacob Preston is reportedly the man 476 00:23:18,093 --> 00:23:23,653 Speaker 3: called in to replace him. Game one, pretty convincing New 477 00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:25,453 Speaker 3: South Wales victory. 478 00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:27,093 Speaker 2: Burge. I know you're a Queensland fan. 479 00:23:27,253 --> 00:23:32,133 Speaker 3: I support the Blues and Slater Billy Slater has asked 480 00:23:32,613 --> 00:23:36,493 Speaker 3: captain and halfback Daily Cherry Evans. He's been dropped. Tommy 481 00:23:36,653 --> 00:23:39,253 Speaker 3: Edden brought in bur This is a cry for help, 482 00:23:39,693 --> 00:23:43,773 Speaker 3: This is a hail Mary. He's the scapegoat Daily Cherry 483 00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:46,413 Speaker 3: Evans and he's been absolutely outed by his coach. 484 00:23:47,493 --> 00:23:49,733 Speaker 6: I'm still thinking about that frashut. It fractured eye socket. 485 00:23:49,773 --> 00:23:51,533 Speaker 6: How the hell do you recover from that? Can you 486 00:23:51,613 --> 00:23:55,413 Speaker 6: just imagine the absolute pain and negative of that. But yeah, 487 00:23:55,493 --> 00:23:58,413 Speaker 6: a big call by Billy. He's done so well as 488 00:23:58,493 --> 00:24:00,813 Speaker 6: Queensland coach that people give him a bit of leeway. 489 00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:04,453 Speaker 6: But to drop your captain and your number seven. He 490 00:24:04,453 --> 00:24:06,653 Speaker 6: has been there a lot with the series on the line, 491 00:24:07,733 --> 00:24:08,253 Speaker 6: big call. 492 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:08,893 Speaker 2: I would have. 493 00:24:08,933 --> 00:24:12,013 Speaker 6: Given Daily one more chance in a game like this 494 00:24:12,253 --> 00:24:14,733 Speaker 6: compared to throwing dead and in who's a different type 495 00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:17,933 Speaker 6: of player. But the other school of thought I've heard, 496 00:24:17,933 --> 00:24:20,493 Speaker 6: well Daily had had was on his last chance in 497 00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:23,613 Speaker 6: Game one because Cherry Evans had he had two poor 498 00:24:23,693 --> 00:24:25,733 Speaker 6: games at the end of the series last year. Remember 499 00:24:26,253 --> 00:24:28,173 Speaker 6: remember last year queens then won the first game and 500 00:24:28,213 --> 00:24:29,933 Speaker 6: the New Servives come back and won the last two. 501 00:24:30,333 --> 00:24:32,453 Speaker 6: So there was a feeling that Cherians was on as 502 00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:35,893 Speaker 6: last warning, so to speak. He was the oldest player 503 00:24:35,893 --> 00:24:38,693 Speaker 6: in origin. I can see both sides of it, but 504 00:24:39,213 --> 00:24:41,613 Speaker 6: it feels kind of risky to me. But they've got 505 00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:44,333 Speaker 6: bigger issues Queensland. Unfortunately, it feels like we're coming into 506 00:24:44,413 --> 00:24:47,573 Speaker 6: a period of New South Wales dominance after all those 507 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:51,973 Speaker 6: glory years for the Maroons. They're probably going to win 508 00:24:52,013 --> 00:24:54,493 Speaker 6: the series this year. They won it last year. They've 509 00:24:54,533 --> 00:24:57,093 Speaker 6: just got they've just as much as it hurts me 510 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:59,493 Speaker 6: to say it, they've just got the better team on paper. 511 00:25:00,453 --> 00:25:02,653 Speaker 3: I agree if you look at that that back line 512 00:25:02,653 --> 00:25:04,533 Speaker 3: of some of the tries that New South Wales scored. 513 00:25:04,533 --> 00:25:07,733 Speaker 3: When you've got like the name's Cleary, the Mitchell to 514 00:25:07,733 --> 00:25:11,573 Speaker 3: tot or in the corner. Like here's my theory. Also, 515 00:25:11,653 --> 00:25:13,173 Speaker 3: this is a side note, but this is my theory 516 00:25:13,213 --> 00:25:17,573 Speaker 3: on on why certain New Zealanders support certain teams. And 517 00:25:17,613 --> 00:25:21,893 Speaker 3: I think it is an age thing obviously. Sir Graham 518 00:25:21,973 --> 00:25:24,293 Speaker 3: Low coach Queensland and that got a lot of Kiwis 519 00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:27,253 Speaker 3: to support Queensland. But when you're growing up berge New 520 00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:28,653 Speaker 3: South Wales is a dominant team. 521 00:25:30,733 --> 00:25:33,413 Speaker 2: It was a long time ago. They kind of were. 522 00:25:33,573 --> 00:25:36,173 Speaker 6: Queensland had Wally Lewis, Allen Langa that has some big names, 523 00:25:36,213 --> 00:25:38,493 Speaker 6: but the main theme every year was that New so 524 00:25:38,533 --> 00:25:40,693 Speaker 6: Wales had so many players, they had all the stars. 525 00:25:40,813 --> 00:25:43,373 Speaker 6: Queensland had sort of just a small bunch that could 526 00:25:43,373 --> 00:25:46,693 Speaker 6: pick from a lot of kiwe's. I seem to think 527 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:51,053 Speaker 6: remember like Queensland because they were the underdogs. The graham 528 00:25:51,093 --> 00:25:53,493 Speaker 6: Low factor was a big one and there was something. 529 00:25:53,973 --> 00:25:56,613 Speaker 6: It doesn't make a lot of sense really because most 530 00:25:56,733 --> 00:26:00,053 Speaker 6: Kiwis their experience of Australia is Sydney most of the 531 00:26:00,093 --> 00:26:03,173 Speaker 6: time in New South Wales more than Queensland. 532 00:26:03,253 --> 00:26:07,213 Speaker 2: So I'm not quite sure why it's the underdog thing. 533 00:26:07,493 --> 00:26:09,853 Speaker 3: That's what I think it is because people, a lot 534 00:26:09,893 --> 00:26:12,253 Speaker 3: of people my age will support New South Wales and 535 00:26:12,253 --> 00:26:14,013 Speaker 3: I support in New South Wales because when I was 536 00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:17,253 Speaker 3: growing up, Queensland won every time. I don't remember New 537 00:26:17,293 --> 00:26:19,373 Speaker 3: South Wales winning when I was young. 538 00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:23,213 Speaker 2: Oh you were growing up the Smiths later Thurston Kronk. Yeah, 539 00:26:22,973 --> 00:26:25,933 Speaker 2: ye in a row, exactly right. So New South Wales 540 00:26:26,173 --> 00:26:26,733 Speaker 2: never won. 541 00:26:27,213 --> 00:26:30,053 Speaker 3: So that's why I support New South Wales because they 542 00:26:30,053 --> 00:26:32,373 Speaker 3: could just never do it. And now that I'm sort 543 00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:35,493 Speaker 3: of moved into adulthood, they've started winning and it feels 544 00:26:35,573 --> 00:26:37,893 Speaker 3: very very good. But I think there is a generational 545 00:26:37,933 --> 00:26:40,933 Speaker 3: split in New Zealand between whether you support New South 546 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:41,773 Speaker 3: Wales and Queensland. 547 00:26:42,133 --> 00:26:43,813 Speaker 6: I think you might be right because probably when you 548 00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:46,373 Speaker 6: started supporting them and it was, you know, Queensland winning 549 00:26:46,493 --> 00:26:51,333 Speaker 6: every year year on year, it would have start to 550 00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:53,453 Speaker 6: get a bit stale and you'd think, oh, it'd be 551 00:26:53,493 --> 00:26:55,853 Speaker 6: good if the Blues can do something. And it's a 552 00:26:55,893 --> 00:26:59,613 Speaker 6: fascinating rivalry. It's amazing it's gone on so long because 553 00:26:59,613 --> 00:27:02,693 Speaker 6: often we need something new, we need something fresh, we 554 00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:06,333 Speaker 6: need something It still seems as powerful as ever, but 555 00:27:06,373 --> 00:27:08,653 Speaker 6: you don't want one team dominating for two long and 556 00:27:08,653 --> 00:27:11,093 Speaker 6: I don't think they will. But yeah, this is going 557 00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:13,733 Speaker 6: to be really tricky for Queensland. I just hope that 558 00:27:13,973 --> 00:27:17,053 Speaker 6: Nathan Cleary has a really has a game where he's 559 00:27:17,053 --> 00:27:18,413 Speaker 6: got to do a lot of work. Put it that well, 560 00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,853 Speaker 6: let's tap, he has to do thirty tackles and then 561 00:27:20,853 --> 00:27:23,173 Speaker 6: he's got the long flight back from Perth. I'm sure 562 00:27:23,213 --> 00:27:26,373 Speaker 6: we'll fly straight to Auckland and that will affect them 563 00:27:26,373 --> 00:27:29,733 Speaker 6: because when the Warriors game is what Saturday five pm, 564 00:27:29,853 --> 00:27:33,253 Speaker 6: So it is tough on those players backing up from 565 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:36,533 Speaker 6: Penrith and the Warriors, but especially the Penrith bunch, which 566 00:27:36,573 --> 00:27:38,333 Speaker 6: is another factor on for Saturday's game. 567 00:27:38,413 --> 00:27:43,733 Speaker 7: Isn't it The Big League Podcast for the biggest league fans? 568 00:27:45,373 --> 00:27:51,373 Speaker 7: The Big League Podcast. 569 00:27:50,613 --> 00:27:52,813 Speaker 4: On the Warriors badwagon since day one? 570 00:27:53,053 --> 00:27:56,773 Speaker 3: Okay, Birch quick fire predictions for another fairly short round 571 00:27:56,933 --> 00:27:59,373 Speaker 3: of NRAL during this Origin period, and we're going to 572 00:27:59,413 --> 00:28:01,453 Speaker 3: start off with the Origin game. Some people might be 573 00:28:01,453 --> 00:28:03,493 Speaker 3: listening to this after the game has already taken place, 574 00:28:03,853 --> 00:28:08,693 Speaker 3: but nevertheless, New South Wales versus Queensland in Perth, Birch yourself. 575 00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:10,573 Speaker 6: We else, Yeah, I think they've got a better record 576 00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:13,653 Speaker 6: generally when the when the series travels where it goes 577 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:16,893 Speaker 6: to Melbourne or or Adelaide or Perth a few times, 578 00:28:16,933 --> 00:28:19,853 Speaker 6: and as we talked about, they've just got the better 579 00:28:19,933 --> 00:28:23,413 Speaker 6: forward pack unfortunately for Queensland fans. And it's hard to 580 00:28:23,413 --> 00:28:25,653 Speaker 6: see Queensland. You never know, but it's hard to see 581 00:28:25,653 --> 00:28:26,813 Speaker 6: it can. 582 00:28:26,813 --> 00:28:28,333 Speaker 3: I agree with your New South Wales to go to 583 00:28:28,533 --> 00:28:32,413 Speaker 3: and oh onto the nr ROL Tigers versus the Raiders. 584 00:28:32,733 --> 00:28:34,613 Speaker 6: Are the Raiders going to lose another game this year? 585 00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:39,213 Speaker 2: Who they have? They not got any of the big dogs. 586 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:42,133 Speaker 6: No, but they're just going so well, so they'll be 587 00:28:42,733 --> 00:28:44,093 Speaker 6: they should be fine for this one. Or that the 588 00:28:44,173 --> 00:28:47,533 Speaker 6: Tigers played well last time out. But yeah, the Raiders here. 589 00:28:49,093 --> 00:28:53,453 Speaker 3: Warrior Is versus the Panthers at Mount Smart on Saturday night, Birge. 590 00:28:54,653 --> 00:28:56,573 Speaker 6: This is going to be really close, that's all I say. 591 00:28:56,613 --> 00:28:59,093 Speaker 6: It's going to be really close. The Panthers, as we 592 00:28:59,173 --> 00:29:02,853 Speaker 6: talked about, they're coming into a nice rhythm. They're coming right. 593 00:29:03,093 --> 00:29:07,773 Speaker 6: And it's their first visit to Auckland since two thousand 594 00:29:07,813 --> 00:29:10,693 Speaker 6: and nineteen. And imagine that Ivan Cleary Nathan Cleary haven't 595 00:29:10,733 --> 00:29:12,253 Speaker 6: been to Auckland since twenty nineteen. 596 00:29:12,293 --> 00:29:14,733 Speaker 2: There's a long time ago. Holy shit, you were still 597 00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:20,413 Speaker 2: in what diaper university? Yeah? Yeah, so it's cool occasion. 598 00:29:20,453 --> 00:29:23,253 Speaker 6: Great to be playing Penrith here instead of playing them 599 00:29:23,293 --> 00:29:26,853 Speaker 6: at Bloody Magic Round or at Penwrith Park. 600 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,293 Speaker 2: I think the Warriors will do this, but it'll be 601 00:29:29,373 --> 00:29:32,213 Speaker 2: very close. I can't believe. I mean, in years gone by. 602 00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:34,213 Speaker 3: I don't think i've ever on this podcast picked the 603 00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:35,373 Speaker 3: Warriors to beat the Panthers. 604 00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:38,373 Speaker 2: But here we go, Dolphins versus the Knights. 605 00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:40,693 Speaker 6: Man the Dolphins, how many points have they scored the 606 00:29:40,773 --> 00:29:43,893 Speaker 6: last couple of games. I think there must be like 607 00:29:43,933 --> 00:29:46,693 Speaker 6: a century or something. I mean absolutely. 608 00:29:46,533 --> 00:29:51,013 Speaker 2: Smoke fifty eight, yes, eight on the Cowboys. Smoked the Cowboys. 609 00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:54,933 Speaker 2: Another half century or close to six on the Dolphins. 610 00:29:55,413 --> 00:29:56,173 Speaker 2: I mean they're just. 611 00:29:56,453 --> 00:29:58,373 Speaker 6: There, you go, one hundred and fourteen. They're going really 612 00:29:58,373 --> 00:29:59,693 Speaker 6: well under Christian Wolf. 613 00:29:59,933 --> 00:30:02,133 Speaker 3: They've put forty four on the Bulldogs a couple of 614 00:30:02,173 --> 00:30:05,253 Speaker 3: weeks before that, that is it's crazy. 615 00:30:04,893 --> 00:30:07,053 Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. Before that they lost to the Warriors. 616 00:30:07,093 --> 00:30:07,733 Speaker 2: So there you go. 617 00:30:08,373 --> 00:30:10,973 Speaker 6: So yeah, they're a team in red hot form and 618 00:30:10,973 --> 00:30:14,733 Speaker 6: they'll be too good for Newcastle who are struggling but 619 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,773 Speaker 6: still showing. They're showing some good fight and resilience in Newcastle. 620 00:30:18,813 --> 00:30:20,733 Speaker 6: But they're obviously you know, there's season's gone. 621 00:30:22,373 --> 00:30:26,653 Speaker 3: Rabbit O's versus the Storm usually quite a massive game 622 00:30:26,733 --> 00:30:29,333 Speaker 3: this and the Bunnies just haven't found the results so 623 00:30:29,413 --> 00:30:32,093 Speaker 3: far this year. They're still there or thereabouts, and I 624 00:30:32,093 --> 00:30:36,093 Speaker 3: still think they could threaten the eight there I do. 625 00:30:36,413 --> 00:30:38,893 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I feel sorry for the Rabbit O's, like 626 00:30:39,093 --> 00:30:41,133 Speaker 6: it's one of those seasons. I've had so many injuries. 627 00:30:41,413 --> 00:30:44,013 Speaker 6: You know, people say injuries, Okay, you've just part of 628 00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:46,653 Speaker 6: the game. But the players, they've lost so many key players, 629 00:30:46,693 --> 00:30:49,013 Speaker 6: so they've never I can't remember the last game where 630 00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:50,613 Speaker 6: they had a team close to full strength. 631 00:30:50,653 --> 00:30:51,293 Speaker 2: It's really hard. 632 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:55,773 Speaker 6: They've also got, from memory, a pretty bad record against 633 00:30:55,773 --> 00:30:58,893 Speaker 6: the Storm. I don't think the Rabbit O's have beaten 634 00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:02,613 Speaker 6: the Storm or hardly ever in the last ten years, 635 00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:05,573 Speaker 6: even it's very rare, So I'll go with the Storm here. 636 00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:07,573 Speaker 2: We'll agree with you. 637 00:31:07,613 --> 00:31:11,173 Speaker 6: Broncos Sharks now, assuming all their players are back for 638 00:31:11,253 --> 00:31:14,093 Speaker 6: both teams, which it's three or four days after origins 639 00:31:14,093 --> 00:31:17,573 Speaker 6: this Sunday, Assuming they're both back, this could be really tight. 640 00:31:18,213 --> 00:31:20,853 Speaker 6: The Broncos need this, they had a very important win 641 00:31:20,973 --> 00:31:24,773 Speaker 6: last time out. The Sharks need this too, but I'll 642 00:31:24,773 --> 00:31:28,013 Speaker 6: go with I'll go with the home side here, especially 643 00:31:28,093 --> 00:31:31,213 Speaker 6: all their Queensland players will be wanting to to bounce 644 00:31:31,253 --> 00:31:33,413 Speaker 6: back assuming they do lose the series on Wednesday. 645 00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:35,173 Speaker 2: I'm going to agree with you as well. 646 00:31:35,213 --> 00:31:37,973 Speaker 3: The Broncos to win and last time they played in 647 00:31:37,973 --> 00:31:41,533 Speaker 3: those black jerseys and the game it looked like all 648 00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:46,533 Speaker 3: Blacks versus Argentina when they had they had, they had 649 00:31:46,533 --> 00:31:48,693 Speaker 3: a massive one. I saw a meme afterwards of is 650 00:31:48,733 --> 00:31:49,453 Speaker 3: that Reee Walsher? 651 00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:52,293 Speaker 2: Is that? Buton Barras cool jerseys? They really were. Yeah, 652 00:31:52,373 --> 00:31:56,493 Speaker 2: I agree Rooster's Cowboys. I don't know. I don't know, Nathan, 653 00:31:56,533 --> 00:31:57,493 Speaker 2: stop bugging me. I don't know. 654 00:31:57,853 --> 00:32:02,173 Speaker 6: I really don't care. I mean the Cowboys. You'd have 655 00:32:02,213 --> 00:32:03,893 Speaker 6: to think Todd Payton. I've got a lot of time 656 00:32:03,893 --> 00:32:05,093 Speaker 6: for Todd. Do you have to think he's under bit 657 00:32:05,093 --> 00:32:07,373 Speaker 6: of pressure when you have such a such a heavy loss, 658 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:09,653 Speaker 6: and the Rooster is obviously they still need still hoping 659 00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:12,373 Speaker 6: they can relaunch and make a play for the eight. 660 00:32:12,773 --> 00:32:15,933 Speaker 6: You'd think the rest is at home. The Cowboys, long journey, Sydney, 661 00:32:15,933 --> 00:32:16,653 Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. 662 00:32:16,773 --> 00:32:17,013 Speaker 4: Go with the. 663 00:32:17,053 --> 00:32:20,253 Speaker 3: Roosters sake of it. I'm going for the Cowboys. 664 00:32:20,253 --> 00:32:23,613 Speaker 6: Eels versus the Titans, Battle of the heavyweights. 665 00:32:23,893 --> 00:32:26,333 Speaker 2: Are you excited for this one? Burg? It's my big 666 00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:27,173 Speaker 2: chance to tip the Eels. 667 00:32:27,173 --> 00:32:28,813 Speaker 6: I haven't tipped the Els for about six weeks, so 668 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:31,733 Speaker 6: I'll go with paramatter, even though the Titans are coming 669 00:32:31,773 --> 00:32:35,413 Speaker 6: off a couple of decent efforts themselves, but yes, I'll 670 00:32:35,413 --> 00:32:37,653 Speaker 6: go with paramatter on this one. 671 00:32:37,693 --> 00:32:40,813 Speaker 4: At home two teams. I despise picking, but. 672 00:32:40,773 --> 00:32:42,973 Speaker 3: I've got to pick one of them, so we're going 673 00:32:43,013 --> 00:32:46,293 Speaker 3: with the Titans. Stuffy Earls, please borrow and rate the podcast. 674 00:32:46,373 --> 00:32:48,853 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael Burgers for your time, your wisdom yet 675 00:32:48,893 --> 00:32:52,013 Speaker 3: and so we'll be back next Monday to digest, hopefully 676 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:54,733 Speaker 3: or worries victory over the Panthers. 677 00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,453 Speaker 2: At Mount Smart. My name is Nathan Limb. Have a 678 00:32:57,533 --> 00:32:58,533 Speaker 2: fantastic week. 679 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:06,213 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk said B, listen live on 680 00:33:06,293 --> 00:33:09,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our show with you wherever 681 00:33:09,293 --> 00:33:11,853 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio