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Speaker 2: Saturday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB for

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Speaker 2: February eight, middle of a long weekend for many. Hope

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Speaker 2: pretty good everywhere. I'm Jason Pinechow, Producer Andy McDonald. We're

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Speaker 2: here talking sport with you until three o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific is now less than a week away.

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Speaker 2: This time next week we'll have the first couple of

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Speaker 2: games in the books. Tomorrow on the show, all six

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Speaker 2: New Zealand based Super Rugby head coaches are with us

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Speaker 2: across the show Tomorrow. Vern Kotta, tana Umanga, Clayton McMillan,

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Speaker 2: Clark Laidlaw, Rob Penny and Jamie Joseph will all be

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Speaker 2: on the show to preview their respective seasons. So that's tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to checking in with each of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand based franchises. Today we go to the top Super

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Speaker 2: Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley, standing by the chat to

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Speaker 2: us shortly how is he feeling about the season ahead,

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Speaker 2: his first in the role. A bit about Super Rugby Fantasy,

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Speaker 2: which launched yesterday ends what does the future of this

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Speaker 2: competition look like both in the short and medium terms?

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Speaker 2: Jack Mesley along shortly meantime confirmation this week that Joe

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Speaker 2: Schmidt will step down as Wallaby's coach as planned, but

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Speaker 2: take Australia through the Lions to this year and the

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Speaker 2: Rugby Championship that follows, but that will be it. This

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Speaker 2: last Rugby Championship game in early October. Former Wallabies coach

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Speaker 2: John Connolly joins us on that who are the candidates

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Speaker 2: to replace him? And coming in as they will midway

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Speaker 2: through a Rugby World Cup cycle, is there enough runway

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Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty twenty seven. John Connolly actually faced

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Speaker 2: a similar situation when he took over the Wallabies at

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Rugby World Cup, so he's perfectly

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Speaker 2: placed to answer that question and who might take over?

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Speaker 2: I've got a couple of ideas. I wouldn't be at

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Speaker 2: too when we chat to John Connolly after one other

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Speaker 2: matters around today, ALGP hits Sydney Harbor this afternoon, the

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Speaker 2: third event of the season. Blackfoil's flight controller Leo Takahashi

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Speaker 2: is on the show just after two as New Zealand

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Speaker 2: look to bounce back from the disappointment of missing their

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Speaker 2: as we're approaching the start of a new Super Rugby

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Speaker 2: and AFL seasons in this part of the world. What

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Speaker 2: is the perfect recipe forgetting your pre season right? How

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Speaker 2: do you structure it? What are the things you need

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Speaker 2: to put into it? How much on field? How much

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Speaker 2: off field? How much is about building a base and

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Speaker 2: just running your team into the ground, which seems to

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Speaker 2: be the trend across a number of codes. Coaching guru

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Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith on that Adam Peacock along with his regular

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Speaker 2: while the iconic Coast to Coast is on. We've been

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Speaker 2: Coast to Coast Final Super Rugby preseason game, Formula one

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Speaker 2: Pacific and the Chiefs this afternoon. They meet from two

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Speaker 2: action there after two and Halliburton Johnston Shield Cricket. This

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Speaker 2: Coming up twelve past midday.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Elempic fails. Weekend

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific now less than a week away.

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Speaker 3: Blues look to regather, they kick it, they kick it backwards.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna go over the line.

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Speaker 4: Blues hate.

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Speaker 5: I love to hear these words again.

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Speaker 3: Capid first time in twenty one years. Data blocks the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was last year. Can the Blues go back

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Speaker 2: is with us on Weekend Sport. Jack thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: us one week out from the start of Super Rugby

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Speaker 2: Pacific for twenty twenty five, your first season as CEO

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Speaker 2: was about to begin. How are you feeling about six

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Speaker 6: I'm well, firstly, very excited. I can't wait for it

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Speaker 6: and work through a week to week cycle. It's been

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about a couple of your initiatives.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific has been launched. How much engaged

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Speaker 6: I think we've had some really great responses to our

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Speaker 2: How bigger body of work has this been?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, it is. It's a It is a big lift,

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Speaker 6: it's been a great, a great combined effort. You know,

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Speaker 6: It's up and I've been having a really good play

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have been to swapping players in and out, trying

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Speaker 2: And just before we move on, was it always something

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think pretty early on we uncovered a few

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Speaker 6: We've got clubs from all around the Pacific, and we

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's look a bit wider.

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Speaker 2: Your KPIs, if we can call them, that always hate

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, how much are the success

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely they will be My KPIs attendance, audience, digital

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Speaker 6: So that's how I will be judged by the board

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Speaker 2: When you talk about engagement with fans and with casual

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a powerful time, hasn't it. As we've

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Speaker 6: I mean we saw it in our off season to

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Speaker 6: a lesser degree, right, we saw the attention that player movement,

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Speaker 6: be that Arty's move or even James O'Connor's move, fueled interests.

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Speaker 6: So you know, our focus right now is to make

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Speaker 6: and then what we need to do is extend the

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Speaker 6: how they are looking at MPC and bringing people are

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Speaker 6: all of those things exist in our competition, but largely

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Speaker 6: before we look at or what other things that require

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anddy, but I still would like to talk about them.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean people can do that now right now.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you have the ability to drive their change?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're just about at the start line

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five Jack, exciting time for you and

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Speaker 9: Well, I wish you'd a best of luck with that.

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Speaker 2: Great to Jack, Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: Yep, talk soon, Jack. Thanks indeed, Jack Measley, CEO of

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? And are you ready

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Speaker 2: I'm ready for Super Rugby. I'm ready to watch my

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Speaker 12: Look, I actually was the first time caller last weekend

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Speaker 13: I love it, No, for.

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Speaker 12: Look, can you name any other competition of the like

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Speaker 2: They can do that, Todd. They can, they can, they can.

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Speaker 2: They can earn as much as they like. Sorry, they

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Speaker 12: But that's what I'm saying. Why is that the case?

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Speaker 2: the great fear is what that would do to Super

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Speaker 2: and or or yeah, I think that would that would

434
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Speaker 2: be a good cautious first step.

435
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Speaker 12: Yeah, a compromise and see how it goes. Some people

436
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Speaker 12: might might say it's it's the slippery slope.

437
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Speaker 6: You've opened the door.

438
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Speaker 12: No, I think you've got parameters and let let's let's

439
00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:50,227
Speaker 12: let it happen. And I'd say, once again, I think

440
00:23:50,267 --> 00:23:52,187
Speaker 12: you would get a lot more New Zealand players that

441
00:23:52,227 --> 00:23:54,667
Speaker 12: we haven't heard about. We would get to see them

442
00:23:54,707 --> 00:23:56,947
Speaker 12: and get to know about them, and that would be actually,

443
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Speaker 12: I think good for selection for the national team in

444
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Speaker 12: the end.

445
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Speaker 6: At the end of the day, you.

446
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Speaker 2: Know, good Man Todd, I'm glad you found this new

447
00:24:03,787 --> 00:24:06,627
Speaker 2: talkback habit. I expect you to continue it across the year.

448
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:09,547
Speaker 6: Next next Saturday, waking on it.

449
00:24:10,507 --> 00:24:13,667
Speaker 2: You're welcome any time, my friend. Thanks for calling in.

450
00:24:14,067 --> 00:24:17,787
Speaker 2: You're welcome to eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two

451
00:24:17,867 --> 00:24:20,067
Speaker 2: ninety two is the text you've had pointed out to me.

452
00:24:20,147 --> 00:24:22,707
Speaker 2: Netball has the same rule here, or has this person's

453
00:24:22,707 --> 00:24:25,787
Speaker 2: put the same stupid rule. That's why, that's why Grayson

454
00:24:25,787 --> 00:24:27,827
Speaker 2: Wikier won't be able to play for the Silver Ferns

455
00:24:27,827 --> 00:24:30,747
Speaker 2: this year, because she's opted for a contract in Australia

456
00:24:31,627 --> 00:24:33,707
Speaker 2: and so therefore, and I know they're working away in

457
00:24:33,747 --> 00:24:36,107
Speaker 2: the background to try and change this, but yeah, as

458
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Speaker 2: the rule stand, she is not eligible for the Silver Ferns.

459
00:24:39,747 --> 00:24:41,987
Speaker 2: We all know the situation around the All Black. Yes

460
00:24:41,987 --> 00:24:45,307
Speaker 2: we do. I just like I said, I feel as

461
00:24:45,347 --> 00:24:50,347
Speaker 2: though you don't lose anything by opening up the super

462
00:24:50,427 --> 00:24:54,267
Speaker 2: rugby borders, if you like, by saying in competition you

463
00:24:54,307 --> 00:24:56,627
Speaker 2: can play for anybody. Look, I mean, Will Jordan might

464
00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:58,787
Speaker 2: not want to play for the Reds. I'm sure he'd

465
00:24:58,787 --> 00:25:02,507
Speaker 2: probably rather play for the Crusaders. I'm sure Wallaceatiti would

466
00:25:02,547 --> 00:25:05,467
Speaker 2: rather play for the Chiefs than play for the Warratars

467
00:25:05,467 --> 00:25:09,347
Speaker 2: when he's fit again. Look, but Bart, if we hover

468
00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:11,827
Speaker 2: above this competition and say right, we need to keep

469
00:25:11,867 --> 00:25:14,987
Speaker 2: it evolving, We need to keep generating interest, we need

470
00:25:15,027 --> 00:25:17,587
Speaker 2: to keep making sure that teams are competitive and it's

471
00:25:17,627 --> 00:25:21,667
Speaker 2: not just the Darby's we're tuning in for. That is

472
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Speaker 2: one way. Peter says. It'll also be great to see

473
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Speaker 2: Australian players coming back the other way playing for New

474
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Speaker 2: Zealand sides. Peter, I agree it would be Dave says agree.

475
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Speaker 2: Piney might even might even up the comp of it.

476
00:25:36,347 --> 00:25:39,267
Speaker 2: I think it would, Dave. I really think it would.

477
00:25:39,547 --> 00:25:41,947
Speaker 2: Mark says. How can Ardie play for Morena Pacifica and

478
00:25:41,987 --> 00:25:43,907
Speaker 2: still play for the All Blacks? You might I think

479
00:25:44,067 --> 00:25:49,307
Speaker 2: that that is allowed under the rules of their entry

480
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Speaker 2: into Super Rugby. Presumably they're based here. There is a

481
00:25:52,547 --> 00:25:56,587
Speaker 2: special arrangement around more on A Pacifica. I think more

482
00:25:56,587 --> 00:25:58,267
Speaker 2: on A Pacifica and I need to check this, but

483
00:25:58,347 --> 00:26:00,947
Speaker 2: I heard during the week that they can have three

484
00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:06,907
Speaker 2: players in their squad who are All Blacks eligible if

485
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Speaker 2: you like. So yeah, so Artie, I mean, Artie wouldn't

486
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Speaker 2: have gone to more Onna Pacifica if he wasn't able

487
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Speaker 2: to carry on playing for the All Blacks. I think

488
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Speaker 2: that's a fact. Much as he's talked about how much

489
00:26:15,587 --> 00:26:17,867
Speaker 2: it means to him to go to that franchise, to

490
00:26:19,027 --> 00:26:22,587
Speaker 2: you know, to continue to find connection with where he's

491
00:26:22,627 --> 00:26:25,267
Speaker 2: come from, and look, he's had a huge impact there

492
00:26:25,307 --> 00:26:27,787
Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to chatting tomorrow with Tana Umanga

493
00:26:27,867 --> 00:26:30,067
Speaker 2: about that. If he wasn't eligible for the All Blacks,

494
00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:31,827
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have gone to Morener Pacifica. It's as simple

495
00:26:31,867 --> 00:26:34,227
Speaker 2: as that, he wouldn't have because he still wants to

496
00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:38,267
Speaker 2: be in All Black twenty six away from one. Term

497
00:26:38,267 --> 00:26:40,107
Speaker 2: hold there with you right after this, oh, eight hundred

498
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty spear line, if you'd like to

499
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Speaker 2: jump aboard.

500
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Speaker 10: It's more than just a game. Weekends for it.

501
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Speaker 1: With Jason Vine and TJ Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted

502
00:26:50,427 --> 00:26:51,947
Speaker 1: home builder, News Dogs, there'd be.

503
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Speaker 2: Twenty three away from one. Just before we get back

504
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Speaker 2: to the phone, just on the more on A Pacifica thing. Yeah,

505
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Speaker 2: I just checked in with a very close friend and

506
00:26:58,947 --> 00:27:02,867
Speaker 2: good colleague of mine, Alex Powell, who tells me that yes,

507
00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:05,427
Speaker 2: under current rules, more Onea Pacifica are allowed to have

508
00:27:05,507 --> 00:27:10,107
Speaker 2: up to three New Zealand Rugby contracted players on their books.

509
00:27:10,307 --> 00:27:13,267
Speaker 2: They are they don't officially fall under New Zealand Rugby's

510
00:27:13,267 --> 00:27:16,347
Speaker 2: catchment and their primary objective, of course, is to produce

511
00:27:16,387 --> 00:27:20,187
Speaker 2: players to represent Tonga and Manu Samoa rather than the

512
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Speaker 2: All Blacks, but they are allowed up to three at

513
00:27:23,427 --> 00:27:26,907
Speaker 2: the moment. Ardie Savia is the first to go and

514
00:27:26,947 --> 00:27:29,667
Speaker 2: what according to Alex in the article he wrote in

515
00:27:29,707 --> 00:27:32,067
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Herald this week, there are many more

516
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:39,867
Speaker 2: who are interested. Hello Tim Jason, how are you great? Tim?

517
00:27:40,027 --> 00:27:40,267
Speaker 4: Hey?

518
00:27:40,307 --> 00:27:42,827
Speaker 9: Listen, I don't know. I'm not a huge rugby follower.

519
00:27:43,147 --> 00:27:45,587
Speaker 9: I'll save this up front and take it later on.

520
00:27:48,187 --> 00:27:53,987
Speaker 9: But I have a light interest and I largely agree

521
00:27:53,987 --> 00:27:57,867
Speaker 9: with most of the things the All Wack organization does.

522
00:27:59,187 --> 00:28:09,107
Speaker 9: And I think is I think the sacrifice. It's probably

523
00:28:09,107 --> 00:28:10,547
Speaker 9: word that if you want to play for the or

524
00:28:10,627 --> 00:28:17,907
Speaker 9: Wax put aside your own uh you know, your quest

525
00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:23,707
Speaker 9: some money mm hmm till later, you know. Easy for

526
00:28:23,747 --> 00:28:27,307
Speaker 9: me to say, but what do you want? It's like

527
00:28:27,387 --> 00:28:30,987
Speaker 9: what do you want more? You know? And they want guys.

528
00:28:31,027 --> 00:28:34,267
Speaker 9: They want guys that are there who want to be there.

529
00:28:35,307 --> 00:28:38,987
Speaker 9: And if you want to be there, you'll make you'll

530
00:28:40,107 --> 00:28:42,307
Speaker 9: you'll handle it. Whatever it is. You just deal with

531
00:28:42,347 --> 00:28:44,867
Speaker 9: it and then you can have an end along the way.

532
00:28:44,907 --> 00:28:47,147
Speaker 9: If you're that good, you get a bit of advertising money.

533
00:28:47,187 --> 00:28:51,987
Speaker 9: And this and that, and you know, but it's got

534
00:28:52,027 --> 00:28:56,347
Speaker 9: to be country first or yes.

535
00:28:56,827 --> 00:28:59,547
Speaker 2: And so that is the foundation upon which New Zealand

536
00:28:59,627 --> 00:29:02,667
Speaker 2: Rugby based their rules. You know, they know they can't

537
00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:05,187
Speaker 2: they can't they here, Yeah, yeah, no, And they can't

538
00:29:05,267 --> 00:29:08,787
Speaker 2: compete with the big money overseas. There's no way that

539
00:29:08,827 --> 00:29:11,747
Speaker 2: a player here in New Zealand can earn or not

540
00:29:11,827 --> 00:29:13,707
Speaker 2: all of them anyway, can earn more here than they

541
00:29:13,787 --> 00:29:18,107
Speaker 2: can overseas. So the one, well, the main reason or

542
00:29:18,107 --> 00:29:23,187
Speaker 2: the main carrot to keeping them here is an all

543
00:29:23,227 --> 00:29:26,187
Speaker 2: Blacks jersey. That is, that is the thing that will

544
00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:29,307
Speaker 2: keep them here. And you're right, tim You're right, And

545
00:29:29,347 --> 00:29:32,347
Speaker 2: that's the trend. Now you stay, you play for the

546
00:29:32,387 --> 00:29:34,667
Speaker 2: All Blacks, you earn pretty good money here, you plan

547
00:29:34,787 --> 00:29:38,467
Speaker 2: a good competition, and then when it's time, there is

548
00:29:38,507 --> 00:29:40,227
Speaker 2: still time at the back end of your career to

549
00:29:40,307 --> 00:29:43,467
Speaker 2: go somewhere else to pick up some good money. As

550
00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:47,387
Speaker 2: countless All Blacks have and will continue to do.

551
00:29:48,827 --> 00:29:50,547
Speaker 9: Try it as a next All Black. You don't get

552
00:29:50,587 --> 00:29:51,747
Speaker 9: a better reverence than that.

553
00:29:52,907 --> 00:29:55,107
Speaker 2: That's dead right. That is a great thing that on

554
00:29:55,107 --> 00:29:55,547
Speaker 2: your CV.

555
00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:58,707
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the best thing you can possibly get. And

556
00:29:59,027 --> 00:30:04,747
Speaker 9: everything that goes with that and you know, I mean,

557
00:30:05,107 --> 00:30:07,267
Speaker 9: it's that's just the way I say it. They like

558
00:30:07,267 --> 00:30:10,227
Speaker 9: to say, I'm not a huge rugby follower, and some

559
00:30:10,427 --> 00:30:12,667
Speaker 9: you know, I think people will disagree with my point

560
00:30:12,707 --> 00:30:15,427
Speaker 9: of view. It's not really founded in a whole lot

561
00:30:15,467 --> 00:30:21,267
Speaker 9: of sex. But are simplifying a write down be loyal.

562
00:30:21,027 --> 00:30:24,387
Speaker 2: Fest in many ways, Tom, Yeah, and any ways else

563
00:30:24,427 --> 00:30:26,507
Speaker 2: will come. Yeah in many ways, Tim, It's a it's

564
00:30:26,547 --> 00:30:29,547
Speaker 2: a more valuable viewpoint given the fact you don't have

565
00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:33,267
Speaker 2: this deep vested interest in it. And sometimes people who

566
00:30:33,587 --> 00:30:35,707
Speaker 2: do can get a little bit emotional about these things.

567
00:30:35,907 --> 00:30:39,867
Speaker 2: I think your little way removed viewpoint is extremely valid

568
00:30:40,587 --> 00:30:43,427
Speaker 2: and there's a lot to be said for loyalty. And again,

569
00:30:45,107 --> 00:30:47,627
Speaker 2: you know, this is the whole foundation of the New

570
00:30:47,707 --> 00:30:52,547
Speaker 2: Zealand rugby professional model. They know that the biggest carrot

571
00:30:52,587 --> 00:30:55,227
Speaker 2: they have, the only carrot they have, really is that

572
00:30:55,227 --> 00:31:02,707
Speaker 2: black jersey. Because a player, I'll pick out a hypothetical example.

573
00:31:03,747 --> 00:31:08,307
Speaker 2: Duplessis an example. He could earn three times as much

574
00:31:08,347 --> 00:31:12,707
Speaker 2: playing in Japan as he does for the Hurricanes, but

575
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:16,187
Speaker 2: dupluscretly if he wants to be an All Black and

576
00:31:16,267 --> 00:31:21,227
Speaker 2: will stay to try and fulfill that dream. Now, whether

577
00:31:21,347 --> 00:31:23,787
Speaker 2: or not he fulfills that dream. He will probably at

578
00:31:23,827 --> 00:31:26,747
Speaker 2: some stage later in his career go overseas where the

579
00:31:26,827 --> 00:31:30,307
Speaker 2: money is better, and no one would blame him for that.

580
00:31:30,787 --> 00:31:32,827
Speaker 2: But at the moment, the carrot of the all black

581
00:31:32,987 --> 00:31:36,267
Speaker 2: jersey is real for him. That is the reason he's staying,

582
00:31:38,107 --> 00:31:41,107
Speaker 2: because if it was just about money, he would be gone.

583
00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:43,827
Speaker 2: So I'm great to chat. Thanks indeed for your call.

584
00:31:43,987 --> 00:31:44,467
Speaker 4: Suare what Hi?

585
00:31:46,027 --> 00:31:46,187
Speaker 11: Yeah?

586
00:31:46,187 --> 00:31:46,307
Speaker 13: You go?

587
00:31:46,627 --> 00:31:53,507
Speaker 14: Jason. You've mentioned about the Moana situation with three Yeah,

588
00:31:53,547 --> 00:31:56,467
Speaker 14: and that's presumably because they're based in Auckland and they're

589
00:31:56,507 --> 00:31:59,627
Speaker 14: seen to be part of the New Zealand catchment. Can

590
00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:03,907
Speaker 14: you refer now to Drua because for example, someone like

591
00:32:04,027 --> 00:32:06,387
Speaker 14: sever Reese might decide that he'd like to play for

592
00:32:06,507 --> 00:32:09,107
Speaker 14: the Drew, but that might rule him out. Would you

593
00:32:09,267 --> 00:32:11,267
Speaker 14: like to comment on that. Are they seen as being

594
00:32:11,307 --> 00:32:13,507
Speaker 14: equivalent to another Australian team.

595
00:32:14,067 --> 00:32:15,907
Speaker 2: I think under the rules they are Sherwood, but I

596
00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:17,987
Speaker 2: don't think they should be given what you've just said.

597
00:32:18,067 --> 00:32:21,267
Speaker 2: I'd love to see Seba receplay for Fiji. You know,

598
00:32:21,347 --> 00:32:24,867
Speaker 2: the Minor Pacific is almost a bit of a halfway house. Really,

599
00:32:25,427 --> 00:32:27,667
Speaker 2: it's not. They're not the same as the Crusaders and

600
00:32:27,707 --> 00:32:30,187
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, but they're not the same as the Warratars

601
00:32:30,227 --> 00:32:33,627
Speaker 2: and the Reds. They're halfway. You can have three. I

602
00:32:33,627 --> 00:32:36,267
Speaker 2: don't know, how would you feel about about three also

603
00:32:36,307 --> 00:32:37,547
Speaker 2: being allowed to play for the drawer?

604
00:32:39,347 --> 00:32:42,187
Speaker 14: Yeah? Well, I mean, I don't know whether the Fijians

605
00:32:42,227 --> 00:32:47,227
Speaker 14: would necessarily want to cut down on their own people's opportunities.

606
00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:50,507
Speaker 14: That might be a downside to it, but I'm sure

607
00:32:50,507 --> 00:32:53,907
Speaker 14: there are some very fine New Zealand based players who

608
00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:57,227
Speaker 14: who would ramp into the drawer and would be seen

609
00:32:57,267 --> 00:32:58,907
Speaker 14: as wonderful assets.

610
00:32:59,387 --> 00:33:01,867
Speaker 2: I agree with Sherwood. I totally agree with you, and

611
00:33:02,427 --> 00:33:04,947
Speaker 2: I mean that again is the is a half step

612
00:33:04,987 --> 00:33:06,867
Speaker 2: towards what I was just talking about before, which is

613
00:33:07,067 --> 00:33:09,787
Speaker 2: opening the super rugby borders, if you can call them that,

614
00:33:10,227 --> 00:33:13,427
Speaker 2: and allowing any number of players from anywhere to play

615
00:33:13,467 --> 00:33:17,347
Speaker 2: for any team. You know, why shouldn't you know, three

616
00:33:17,467 --> 00:33:20,627
Speaker 2: or four Australians or New Zealanders go and play for

617
00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:24,587
Speaker 2: the Drewer. Artie Savia's impact and this won't surprise you

618
00:33:24,747 --> 00:33:30,147
Speaker 2: on my Wina Pacifica's rugby team already has been significant.

619
00:33:31,067 --> 00:33:35,467
Speaker 2: You hear so much anecdotal stuff any media that's been

620
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,747
Speaker 2: done by anybody out of Winer. Pacifica in the last

621
00:33:38,747 --> 00:33:43,867
Speaker 2: two or three weeks has contained glowing references for Artie

622
00:33:43,947 --> 00:33:49,907
Speaker 2: Savia's impact in that side. Seventeen away from one, got

623
00:33:49,907 --> 00:33:51,907
Speaker 2: to get another breakaway back with more of your calls

624
00:33:51,907 --> 00:33:53,747
Speaker 2: after this the lines have been filling up. Well keep

625
00:33:53,827 --> 00:33:55,867
Speaker 2: them moping THO eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back

626
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:56,547
Speaker 2: in a moment.

627
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Speaker 1: The tough Questions off the turf Weekends for It with

628
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Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

629
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Speaker 10: News Dog.

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Speaker 2: Daryl says, hey, Piney, can the Highland just get three

631
00:34:08,587 --> 00:34:15,027
Speaker 2: all blacks? Please perform Pacifica Dust Daryl, nice one, Look

632
00:34:15,067 --> 00:34:17,787
Speaker 2: I reckon estate me in Holland eligible this year. You've

633
00:34:17,787 --> 00:34:20,467
Speaker 2: got another one coming there Ethan de Group flaff for Catavias.

634
00:34:20,467 --> 00:34:22,907
Speaker 2: There isn't it. There are others. We'd love to see

635
00:34:22,907 --> 00:34:26,387
Speaker 2: more all blacks coming out of Highlanders country, wouldn't you.

636
00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:29,787
Speaker 2: I think that'd be great. Forty third edition of the

637
00:34:29,827 --> 00:34:33,307
Speaker 2: Coast to Coast is ongoing. It's the longest day today.

638
00:34:33,587 --> 00:34:36,027
Speaker 2: Last we heard, defending champion Hamish Elliott had a healthy

639
00:34:36,067 --> 00:34:39,427
Speaker 2: four and a half minute lead heading into the kayaking stage.

640
00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:44,227
Speaker 2: Our commentator, journalist, coverer of the Coast to Coast extraordinary,

641
00:34:44,347 --> 00:34:47,187
Speaker 2: Brian Ashby joins us Hamosh Elliott. To your knowledge, still

642
00:34:47,187 --> 00:34:47,747
Speaker 2: in the lead.

643
00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:50,467
Speaker 15: Gash Yeah, we haven't been able to get a split

644
00:34:50,507 --> 00:34:53,747
Speaker 15: from truly down the river at the stage. It's those

645
00:34:53,787 --> 00:34:56,107
Speaker 15: are other parts of the country. The white Magnieri board.

646
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Speaker 15: You can't just pull up beside the river and to

647
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Speaker 15: see them past. There are no roads here. We're here

648
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:04,787
Speaker 15: and it's light in the deck blocks of the of

649
00:35:04,907 --> 00:35:07,747
Speaker 15: the Southern Elm. So get that's the best of our knowledge.

650
00:35:07,787 --> 00:35:11,227
Speaker 15: Of course, interesting last year we expected that hay Mass

651
00:35:11,307 --> 00:35:13,867
Speaker 15: might have been sort of all hauled in a little

652
00:35:13,907 --> 00:35:16,827
Speaker 15: bit on the kayak. That wasn't the case. He helds

653
00:35:16,907 --> 00:35:20,067
Speaker 15: very very well. He's recently won include the Classic, but

654
00:35:20,427 --> 00:35:23,227
Speaker 15: there are some very well credential kayak is behind of

655
00:35:23,307 --> 00:35:26,787
Speaker 15: Alex Hunt in second place. Has been coached by Gordon Walker.

656
00:35:27,027 --> 00:35:29,867
Speaker 15: I think everyone listenings he to Gordon Walker, not just

657
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Speaker 15: for his coaching of Brob Lisa Carrington, but also multiple

658
00:35:32,907 --> 00:35:35,907
Speaker 15: winner of the Coast to Coast, so you know he's

659
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Speaker 15: kayaking for echance. He's book very very.

660
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Speaker 16: Hard and it's finishing brother around last year Sam Clark

661
00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:42,107
Speaker 16: in third place.

662
00:35:42,507 --> 00:35:47,867
Speaker 15: Sam probably historically the best of him as as a paddler.

663
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Speaker 15: So you know with the slow flow the river is

664
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Speaker 15: very very low, they're going to be out here a

665
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Speaker 15: little bit walker. Who will that help the most? Arguably

666
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Speaker 15: Sam Clark, the book payer.

667
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be rushing to the TV all right. So

668
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Speaker 2: the women's com Debbie Lynch, it was a narrowly she

669
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Speaker 2: had over more to make on or just brought six

670
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Speaker 2: seconds out of the Mountain run. Five time defending champ

671
00:36:10,827 --> 00:36:14,467
Speaker 2: Simone Maya there as well. Is that still likely to

672
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Speaker 2: be the top three?

673
00:36:16,787 --> 00:36:20,347
Speaker 15: Well, Lena Rush is not too far behind Simone Maya

674
00:36:20,507 --> 00:36:24,027
Speaker 15: as well. When they we've got off the bikes to

675
00:36:24,107 --> 00:36:27,427
Speaker 15: go into the river fifteen cape bike between the mountain

676
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Speaker 15: run and then the paddled out by mc canery cords,

677
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Speaker 15: the gap had closed. Shaw Didlin's come in. She's She's

678
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:41,867
Speaker 15: a very diminutive little antley, very good runner. Finished seventh

679
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Speaker 15: and the thirty four eighth group at the bill.

680
00:36:44,067 --> 00:36:48,187
Speaker 16: Tipney point three half iron Man Champs last month in

681
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Speaker 16: December at least in top fort. But her strength is

682
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Speaker 16: the run. We've talked about it with my co commentator

683
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Speaker 16: dck Brunt and Weaver. The feeling is that she's peddling

684
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Speaker 16: a really slow boat.

685
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Speaker 15: Not for strength.

686
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Speaker 16: Were Am McDonald's we didn't know much about.

687
00:37:04,947 --> 00:37:06,827
Speaker 15: Were A McDonald a very good runner.

688
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Speaker 16: We would expect to heard of mat Simone historically gets

689
00:37:11,307 --> 00:37:15,347
Speaker 16: strong as the day goes on, and we were to

690
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:19,867
Speaker 16: do with concerns with her with regards to some foot

691
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Speaker 16: issues that she has injuries. The body is sort of

692
00:37:22,147 --> 00:37:24,227
Speaker 16: starting to give up the ghost. The feeling was that

693
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Speaker 16: that she was thereabouts coming off the mountain run. It's

694
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Speaker 16: who are race to lose? That's exactly how it's played out.

695
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Speaker 16: She is thereabouts. Elena RuSHA looking really good too. My

696
00:37:32,987 --> 00:37:37,227
Speaker 16: tick is Maya Usha first and second at this point all.

697
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Speaker 2: I guess we'll check them with you in an hour

698
00:37:39,027 --> 00:37:42,827
Speaker 2: or so. Brian Ashby is covering the forty third coast

699
00:37:42,867 --> 00:37:44,747
Speaker 2: to coast for us here on news Talks. Here'd be

700
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,747
Speaker 2: ten to one. Back to the lines, Shanksy, thanks for

701
00:37:46,787 --> 00:37:51,467
Speaker 2: holding mate, mate.

702
00:37:51,467 --> 00:37:56,387
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, look, I think no brainer would be, you know,

703
00:37:57,067 --> 00:38:01,707
Speaker 17: expanding the ELEXHILLI the all blacks through you know, through

704
00:38:01,787 --> 00:38:03,147
Speaker 17: the rest of the second right now, I think that

705
00:38:03,827 --> 00:38:07,027
Speaker 17: needs to be done to sort of rejuven APUs competition.

706
00:38:07,107 --> 00:38:08,507
Speaker 17: But you sort of touch on it before, which I

707
00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:12,387
Speaker 17: think it should be the you know, your I guess

708
00:38:12,547 --> 00:38:15,467
Speaker 17: mid to long term goal would be having it open

709
00:38:15,587 --> 00:38:20,307
Speaker 17: up to include you know, one or two Japanese teams

710
00:38:20,347 --> 00:38:22,587
Speaker 17: and then you know, with the ability of you know,

711
00:38:23,667 --> 00:38:25,587
Speaker 17: All Blacks to be able to go and cash in

712
00:38:25,747 --> 00:38:28,987
Speaker 17: there and still be able to play for the All Blacks.

713
00:38:28,987 --> 00:38:31,747
Speaker 17: I think that would be you know awesome to you know,

714
00:38:31,947 --> 00:38:33,467
Speaker 17: still be able to watch them, keep them in our

715
00:38:33,507 --> 00:38:38,227
Speaker 17: competition and have them really increase their earnings potential, you know,

716
00:38:38,307 --> 00:38:40,707
Speaker 17: and then it would really add something to the competition

717
00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:42,707
Speaker 17: of those teams as well. You know, we're able to

718
00:38:42,747 --> 00:38:49,387
Speaker 17: offer book money and coach players from the world and

719
00:38:49,507 --> 00:38:51,787
Speaker 17: just had some truly you know, I'm not sure I

720
00:38:51,827 --> 00:38:54,987
Speaker 17: had japan Fields. It was you know, these real sort

721
00:38:54,987 --> 00:38:58,987
Speaker 17: of international barbarian style teams, but you know how that

722
00:38:59,147 --> 00:39:00,907
Speaker 17: managed that. But I think it would be you know

723
00:39:01,107 --> 00:39:02,907
Speaker 17: awesome if you just had a couple of teams up

724
00:39:02,947 --> 00:39:06,227
Speaker 17: there that were really stacked with super stars that would

725
00:39:06,267 --> 00:39:10,227
Speaker 17: be playing our super rugby teams and also be able

726
00:39:10,267 --> 00:39:14,267
Speaker 17: to keep a couple of our really real headline players

727
00:39:14,307 --> 00:39:16,827
Speaker 17: that want to capitalize on their earnings potential, but still

728
00:39:17,147 --> 00:39:20,067
Speaker 17: played for the Blacks Jersey and be involved. And you

729
00:39:20,147 --> 00:39:21,707
Speaker 17: know what's our premiere competition?

730
00:39:22,267 --> 00:39:24,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, shacks y good points well made in

731
00:39:24,067 --> 00:39:25,667
Speaker 2: Boden Barra. I think you probably picked up on this.

732
00:39:25,787 --> 00:39:28,147
Speaker 2: Made a similar point during the week when he was

733
00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:31,587
Speaker 2: up for Blues media. You know, he said, look, our

734
00:39:31,627 --> 00:39:35,347
Speaker 2: future in this competition should involve a couple of Japanese sides.

735
00:39:36,427 --> 00:39:41,067
Speaker 2: He's urging New Zealand rugby to relax the eligibility rules

736
00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:44,867
Speaker 2: and similar fashion to what we've been talking about, allowing

737
00:39:44,907 --> 00:39:48,227
Speaker 2: an open border tournament so that all blacks could play

738
00:39:48,267 --> 00:39:51,387
Speaker 2: in Australia and down the track. Also maybe in Japan

739
00:39:51,507 --> 00:39:54,427
Speaker 2: as well, provided they entered Super Rugby. We were there

740
00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:56,747
Speaker 2: with the sun Wolves, weren't we, you know, a wee

741
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:59,707
Speaker 2: while ago. I think Japanese rugby has moved on a

742
00:39:59,867 --> 00:40:02,787
Speaker 2: heck of a lot since then. What wou would Japanese

743
00:40:02,827 --> 00:40:05,707
Speaker 2: rugby be interested in taking two or three of their

744
00:40:05,747 --> 00:40:09,547
Speaker 2: best sides out of their competition and having them play

745
00:40:09,627 --> 00:40:12,707
Speaker 2: Super Rugby. I doubt it, but there must be the

746
00:40:12,867 --> 00:40:17,867
Speaker 2: basis for a negotiation or a conversation anyway. Good to chat, Yes, Shanksy,

747
00:40:17,907 --> 00:40:19,747
Speaker 2: Thanks mate. Seven to one, U s talksb.

748
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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call.

749
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Speaker 1: On eight eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks, hev.

750
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Speaker 2: Mark says, come up, Pony, cut to the chase. Give

751
00:40:30,027 --> 00:40:32,347
Speaker 2: us your hot tips for Fantasy Rugby. Who's your number ten?

752
00:40:33,547 --> 00:40:35,987
Speaker 2: I love it, Mark, I've gone with Damien McKenzie, although

753
00:40:35,987 --> 00:40:38,827
Speaker 2: I can change that right up until the start, and

754
00:40:38,987 --> 00:40:40,827
Speaker 2: of course you can change it every week. This is

755
00:40:40,907 --> 00:40:43,667
Speaker 2: fantasy super Rugby where you pick players and their on

756
00:40:43,827 --> 00:40:47,947
Speaker 2: field performances earn you points and you build a score

757
00:40:48,027 --> 00:40:51,147
Speaker 2: and you can brag to your mates. I see fifty

758
00:40:51,227 --> 00:40:54,747
Speaker 2: one percent of players so far have chosen Damien McKenzie

759
00:40:54,787 --> 00:40:58,387
Speaker 2: as their first five. Next most popular boat in Barrett

760
00:40:58,587 --> 00:41:01,827
Speaker 2: and then it's a gap back to the rest. So

761
00:41:02,867 --> 00:41:05,627
Speaker 2: it's McKenzie who's the popular choice. I've put them in

762
00:41:05,627 --> 00:41:07,587
Speaker 2: at the moment, Mark begining to know who you've got.

763
00:41:08,027 --> 00:41:11,027
Speaker 2: After one o'clock across the Tasman we go who is

764
00:41:11,147 --> 00:41:18,027
Speaker 2: going to replace Joe Schmitt's.

765
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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

766
00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:19,867
Speaker 1: and after fields.

767
00:41:20,387 --> 00:41:24,027
Speaker 10: It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Hide. On your

768
00:41:24,107 --> 00:41:26,947
Speaker 10: home of Sport, New York.

769
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Speaker 2: One O seven. Welcome into the show. This is Weekend

770
00:41:30,267 --> 00:41:33,147
Speaker 2: Sport until three. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald here too.

771
00:41:33,987 --> 00:41:36,547
Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt will step down as Wallaby's coach at the

772
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:39,427
Speaker 2: end of the Rugby Championship. More on that shortly from

773
00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,947
Speaker 2: one of his predecessors, John Connolly. Not just about Joe

774
00:41:44,987 --> 00:41:48,187
Speaker 2: Schmitt stepping down, but who the candidates to replace him

775
00:41:48,267 --> 00:41:50,387
Speaker 2: might be and whoever gets the job, will they have

776
00:41:51,107 --> 00:41:54,027
Speaker 2: enough time between when they take over and when Australia

777
00:41:54,067 --> 00:41:56,307
Speaker 2: hosts the Rugby World Cup in twenty twenty seven to

778
00:41:56,387 --> 00:41:58,307
Speaker 2: get the team in tiptop shake to win the thing.

779
00:41:59,667 --> 00:42:01,187
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, a bit of live sport

780
00:42:01,267 --> 00:42:03,147
Speaker 2: to update you on. Just a word on the Warriors

781
00:42:03,267 --> 00:42:06,547
Speaker 2: last night too. They, as you've heard in our watch

782
00:42:06,627 --> 00:42:10,787
Speaker 2: news this morning, had a pre season game last night,

783
00:42:10,827 --> 00:42:16,267
Speaker 2: the NRL's Pre Season Challenge, a twelve all draw with Cronulla. Unfortunately,

784
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:19,907
Speaker 2: Delan y Tenneys Lesniak an early casualty. He injured his

785
00:42:20,067 --> 00:42:23,347
Speaker 2: wrist landing awkwardly when he was challenging for a high ball.

786
00:42:23,827 --> 00:42:27,947
Speaker 2: Not knowing whether the injury will impact his involvement in

787
00:42:27,987 --> 00:42:30,747
Speaker 2: the season, opener, which is of course in Las Vegas.

788
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:36,947
Speaker 2: Other players to feature included Jet Clary, younger brother of

789
00:42:37,027 --> 00:42:40,387
Speaker 2: Penrith ace Nathan Clary. He came on with twenty minutes

790
00:42:40,427 --> 00:42:42,627
Speaker 2: to go and in fact his dad was there. Ivan Clary,

791
00:42:42,787 --> 00:42:46,147
Speaker 2: four time NROL Premiership winning coach with the Penrith Panthers,

792
00:42:46,547 --> 00:42:51,347
Speaker 2: was there to watch Jet Clary make his Warrior's debut

793
00:42:51,627 --> 00:42:56,627
Speaker 2: alongside longtime Panthers prop James Fisher Harris, who came through

794
00:42:56,667 --> 00:43:00,227
Speaker 2: the match unscathed, which was good news. Well, we might

795
00:43:00,307 --> 00:43:03,387
Speaker 2: forget the chance play some postmatch reaction from the Warriors

796
00:43:03,947 --> 00:43:07,027
Speaker 2: at some stage in the next couple of hours. An

797
00:43:07,067 --> 00:43:08,827
Speaker 2: hour from now or just under an hour from now

798
00:43:09,027 --> 00:43:13,147
Speaker 2: final pre season Super Rugby match for the Chiefs and

799
00:43:13,347 --> 00:43:17,227
Speaker 2: Malwana Pacifica. They are going to go head to head

800
00:43:17,267 --> 00:43:20,747
Speaker 2: as I'm saying, about an hour from now in Pooka Coe,

801
00:43:21,307 --> 00:43:26,587
Speaker 2: so their final pre season outing next in fact not

802
00:43:26,707 --> 00:43:29,547
Speaker 2: next week, tomorrow, tomorrow. All six Super Rugby head coaches

803
00:43:29,627 --> 00:43:31,027
Speaker 2: who are in New Zealand based er on the show

804
00:43:31,067 --> 00:43:33,387
Speaker 2: with us, so we'll get inside all six Super Rugby

805
00:43:33,427 --> 00:43:36,747
Speaker 2: camps tomorrow and cricket, which seems a bit more seasonal

806
00:43:36,827 --> 00:43:39,187
Speaker 2: looking at the window here and Wellington cracking day down

807
00:43:39,227 --> 00:43:42,347
Speaker 2: at the base in the Wellington Blaze elected to bat

808
00:43:42,387 --> 00:43:44,827
Speaker 2: first against Canterbury one thirty seven for nine. This is

809
00:43:44,867 --> 00:43:47,787
Speaker 2: the Hallybird and Jostin Shield. The women's fifty over comp

810
00:43:48,067 --> 00:43:50,347
Speaker 2: Wellington Blaze one thirty seven for nine in the forty

811
00:43:50,387 --> 00:43:53,147
Speaker 2: first over so battling a bit there at Pookakuda Park

812
00:43:53,187 --> 00:43:56,747
Speaker 2: in New Plymouth, Northern won the toss and sent Central in.

813
00:43:56,867 --> 00:44:00,107
Speaker 2: They're two nineteen for six in the fortieth over and

814
00:44:00,467 --> 00:44:02,507
Speaker 2: up at Eden Parks Outer oval Or from on the

815
00:44:02,587 --> 00:44:05,107
Speaker 2: toss decided to bat their one sixty six for seven

816
00:44:05,467 --> 00:44:08,267
Speaker 2: in the forty third I against the Otago Sparks. We

817
00:44:08,347 --> 00:44:10,707
Speaker 2: will keep you up to date with scores across the

818
00:44:10,867 --> 00:44:11,907
Speaker 2: afternoon Ike.

819
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Speaker 11: It's out for Jorgansen, Max Jorvison, Max Jarginson.

820
00:44:15,947 --> 00:44:17,067
Speaker 4: No they didn't.

821
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Speaker 15: Oh my goodness me.

822
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's unbelievable.

823
00:44:22,587 --> 00:44:26,187
Speaker 13: It's one of the greatest moments in Wallaby's history and

824
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Speaker 13: it belongs to Jorginson.

825
00:44:31,107 --> 00:44:32,707
Speaker 4: They have stunned England.

826
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Speaker 2: The highlights of last year for the Wallabies was the

827
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Speaker 2: win over England at Twickenham. Joe Shmitt it has been

828
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Speaker 2: announced this week will step down as Wallaby's coach at

829
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Speaker 2: the end of the Rugby Championship. Now he was initially

830
00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:49,067
Speaker 2: contracted until the end of the mid year Lions tour,

831
00:44:49,507 --> 00:44:53,587
Speaker 2: but has opted to extend by three months. In a statement,

832
00:44:53,707 --> 00:44:57,387
Speaker 2: Joshmitt outlined the importance of spending time with his family,

833
00:44:57,427 --> 00:45:00,347
Speaker 2: who have remained here in New Zealand. So his last

834
00:45:00,427 --> 00:45:02,827
Speaker 2: game in charge will be on the fourth of October

835
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Speaker 2: against the All Blacks in Perth. Let's bring in formal

836
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Speaker 2: All Ofby's coach John Connolly, who took over the team

837
00:45:10,227 --> 00:45:12,507
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six and took them through to

838
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Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Rugby World Cup. Firstly, John,

839
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Speaker 2: that good afternoon. We're surprised when you heard this news

840
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:21,787
Speaker 2: that Joe Schmitt will step away after the Rugby Championship

841
00:45:21,867 --> 00:45:22,187
Speaker 2: this year.

842
00:45:24,067 --> 00:45:27,187
Speaker 8: Well, I probably didn't expect anything, but we always knew

843
00:45:27,227 --> 00:45:30,467
Speaker 8: that was on the cards, and I think you heard

844
00:45:30,507 --> 00:45:34,027
Speaker 8: the Australian wun were aware that was a likelihood and

845
00:45:34,147 --> 00:45:38,027
Speaker 8: they've got some plans in place to replace him. But

846
00:45:38,627 --> 00:45:42,667
Speaker 8: on the surface, it doesn't appear to be any standout,

847
00:45:44,067 --> 00:45:47,027
Speaker 8: standout candiate, so it'll be interesting where they go to

848
00:45:47,187 --> 00:45:47,507
Speaker 8: from here.

849
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get to the candidates in a minute.

850
00:45:49,787 --> 00:45:52,587
Speaker 2: But do you think do you think when they hired

851
00:45:52,667 --> 00:45:55,867
Speaker 2: Joe Schmitt Rugby Australia thought maybe they'd be able to

852
00:45:55,907 --> 00:45:58,107
Speaker 2: convince him to stay on, that he'd love it so

853
00:45:58,267 --> 00:45:59,067
Speaker 2: much that he'd stay.

854
00:46:00,027 --> 00:46:00,227
Speaker 9: Yeah.

855
00:46:00,227 --> 00:46:03,187
Speaker 8: I think they obviously be the case, and he was

856
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:06,467
Speaker 8: happy to get on board. They as the outlined his

857
00:46:06,587 --> 00:46:12,227
Speaker 8: press statement, jammy priority and we all understand that he

858
00:46:12,347 --> 00:46:15,067
Speaker 8: left island for the same reasons. Put his cow back

859
00:46:15,107 --> 00:46:19,347
Speaker 8: in the water here and I think it's very keen

860
00:46:19,427 --> 00:46:21,827
Speaker 8: to get back in New Zealand, which I understand.

861
00:46:22,227 --> 00:46:25,667
Speaker 2: Indeed, so whoever takes over, we'll have two years in

862
00:46:25,827 --> 00:46:29,427
Speaker 2: charge before the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup in Australia.

863
00:46:30,427 --> 00:46:31,347
Speaker 2: Is that long enough?

864
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:32,987
Speaker 18: I think so.

865
00:46:33,387 --> 00:46:36,067
Speaker 8: It's a fairly stable team at the moment. I mean

866
00:46:36,467 --> 00:46:41,027
Speaker 8: they're thereabout were still only we won lesson to say,

867
00:46:41,067 --> 00:46:43,467
Speaker 8: our games this year. Then we shall see a distinct

868
00:46:43,507 --> 00:46:48,707
Speaker 8: improvement from the Envye Jones years. Distinct improvement and I'm

869
00:46:48,707 --> 00:46:50,827
Speaker 8: hoping they would build on that. Yes, I think the

870
00:46:50,907 --> 00:46:54,027
Speaker 8: new coacher comes in will probably pick up the same

871
00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:58,107
Speaker 8: players and hopefully they're healthy and I'll keep improving. And

872
00:46:58,227 --> 00:47:00,827
Speaker 8: it's becoming an older side. Now they've not a pervod

873
00:47:00,867 --> 00:47:03,307
Speaker 8: of experience, so we're hopeful.

874
00:47:03,907 --> 00:47:06,307
Speaker 2: When you took over worth even less than two years,

875
00:47:06,387 --> 00:47:09,707
Speaker 2: just before the two thousand and seven Rugby World Cup, John,

876
00:47:09,907 --> 00:47:13,627
Speaker 2: where did you place your focus in a truncated time

877
00:47:13,707 --> 00:47:14,267
Speaker 2: frame like that.

878
00:47:15,107 --> 00:47:18,547
Speaker 8: Well, the first thing you look at is teams have

879
00:47:18,667 --> 00:47:21,747
Speaker 8: been successful in World Cups. I've had a lot of experience,

880
00:47:22,027 --> 00:47:24,827
Speaker 8: the team work together. We never had that with when

881
00:47:24,867 --> 00:47:27,267
Speaker 8: I took over. We had seven or eight or nine

882
00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:32,147
Speaker 8: very experienced clients, the Mortlocks, the Ghetto's predicaments and sharps,

883
00:47:32,387 --> 00:47:35,867
Speaker 8: but we also had a real gap from the inexperienced players.

884
00:47:36,427 --> 00:47:40,667
Speaker 8: And it's such a huge occasion it can be very

885
00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:45,467
Speaker 8: over bearing on some young pliers and we found that

886
00:47:45,587 --> 00:47:48,227
Speaker 8: towards the end. I thought we got through our quarter final,

887
00:47:48,507 --> 00:47:50,547
Speaker 8: kicked the goal at the end of the thing, you

888
00:47:50,707 --> 00:47:54,427
Speaker 8: may well have gone all the way, but especially that

889
00:47:54,547 --> 00:47:57,547
Speaker 8: New Zealand have been knocked out, which made a bit

890
00:47:57,587 --> 00:48:01,307
Speaker 8: easier for blood everyone. But I mean, yeah, I think

891
00:48:01,347 --> 00:48:04,067
Speaker 8: the other steps in will we take you over an

892
00:48:04,187 --> 00:48:10,947
Speaker 8: experience side and a fairly happy, happy side. Joe had

893
00:48:10,947 --> 00:48:13,747
Speaker 8: a couple of years Ben is it down very nicely?

894
00:48:14,147 --> 00:48:16,547
Speaker 8: People that come in. But I said, I just said,

895
00:48:16,787 --> 00:48:19,147
Speaker 8: do you heard the text? Your next step is the

896
00:48:19,187 --> 00:48:23,227
Speaker 8: big one. He's going to take over, So they'll be

897
00:48:24,347 --> 00:48:26,707
Speaker 8: they'll be in that process. Now there's no huge horn,

898
00:48:27,027 --> 00:48:30,947
Speaker 8: but they have to get it right. They really have

899
00:48:31,107 --> 00:48:31,787
Speaker 8: to get it right.

900
00:48:32,547 --> 00:48:33,507
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to that.

901
00:48:33,587 --> 00:48:33,747
Speaker 4: Then.

902
00:48:34,107 --> 00:48:36,227
Speaker 2: I presume he hasn't texted you back, and even if

903
00:48:36,267 --> 00:48:38,307
Speaker 2: he has, you probably wouldn't tell us what he said.

904
00:48:38,347 --> 00:48:42,067
Speaker 2: But in your mind, are the strongest candidates to take

905
00:48:42,147 --> 00:48:44,027
Speaker 2: over from Joe Shmand at the back end of the

906
00:48:44,107 --> 00:48:45,587
Speaker 2: Rugby Championship.

907
00:48:45,627 --> 00:48:50,147
Speaker 8: Well, there's no standout. I mean the pore super rugby

908
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:54,827
Speaker 8: coaches here. Least Kiss maybe hasn't got a huge amount

909
00:48:54,867 --> 00:48:58,707
Speaker 8: of runs on the board. A wild coach struggled with

910
00:48:58,867 --> 00:49:02,827
Speaker 8: Leicester big time last year. We'll see how he goes

911
00:49:02,867 --> 00:49:08,107
Speaker 8: with you. So Whales Steven Arkham will he mentioned, But

912
00:49:08,427 --> 00:49:12,747
Speaker 8: there's no standing out create whatsoever and what the structure

913
00:49:12,827 --> 00:49:15,827
Speaker 8: his coach team? Look at. Jase Smith came into it

914
00:49:16,027 --> 00:49:19,227
Speaker 8: when the age was he was an experienced international coach

915
00:49:19,787 --> 00:49:23,827
Speaker 8: and that is a real advantage at the moment. Whoever

916
00:49:23,867 --> 00:49:27,787
Speaker 8: steps up, they won't go back to Michael Checkham, would

917
00:49:27,787 --> 00:49:31,267
Speaker 8: be no chance. I believe or not. The plan person

918
00:49:31,307 --> 00:49:33,387
Speaker 8: that I feel sorry for that still goes to play

919
00:49:33,787 --> 00:49:36,787
Speaker 8: is David Greeny. I thought he was treated very badly

920
00:49:37,387 --> 00:49:41,387
Speaker 8: and he had a lot of injuries cauught up with.

921
00:49:41,827 --> 00:49:44,667
Speaker 8: I don't know if he ever come back and went

922
00:49:44,867 --> 00:49:46,427
Speaker 8: very close to the All Blacks and a couple of

923
00:49:46,507 --> 00:49:51,987
Speaker 8: games one point beaten by France. Over the conversation there

924
00:49:52,947 --> 00:49:56,347
Speaker 8: in New Zealand. Jamie Joseph someone who I ever met,

925
00:49:56,827 --> 00:50:00,227
Speaker 8: I've always thought I really rate his teams very highly.

926
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:06,147
Speaker 8: They would be the two outside Australia, and I wouldn't

927
00:50:06,627 --> 00:50:11,867
Speaker 8: Ryan o'garaz would have any chance. But someone with a

928
00:50:11,907 --> 00:50:16,787
Speaker 8: lot of experience is important ready and Joseph definitely ticked

929
00:50:16,867 --> 00:50:23,267
Speaker 8: those boxes. We're in Australia. I'm just not sure none

930
00:50:23,307 --> 00:50:25,187
Speaker 8: of them have got any great forwards a board.

931
00:50:25,987 --> 00:50:28,227
Speaker 2: As you said then, John, they wouldn't go back to

932
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:28,907
Speaker 2: Michael Checker.

933
00:50:29,347 --> 00:50:29,707
Speaker 10: Why is that?

934
00:50:31,027 --> 00:50:34,827
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the terms that he left weren't you

935
00:50:34,907 --> 00:50:38,187
Speaker 8: know it was. It wasn't a happy separation, but luqually

936
00:50:38,747 --> 00:50:41,427
Speaker 8: check likes to do things his way and I think

937
00:50:42,107 --> 00:50:47,987
Speaker 8: in terms of selections and selection party assistant coaches, Yeah,

938
00:50:48,027 --> 00:50:50,707
Speaker 8: I just I would be very surprised. I let background

939
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:53,547
Speaker 8: that rook. I mean, I know that sounds funny where

940
00:50:53,987 --> 00:51:00,907
Speaker 8: you suggested ready maybe a possibility, but I'd be surprised,

941
00:51:00,907 --> 00:51:02,467
Speaker 8: I think to have the bikel check the route.

942
00:51:02,907 --> 00:51:04,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a very different parting of the ways,

943
00:51:04,587 --> 00:51:07,147
Speaker 2: wasn't it with Davini And I think you're right. I

944
00:51:07,187 --> 00:51:09,307
Speaker 2: think even over on the side of the Tasman John,

945
00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:11,827
Speaker 2: we all we all sort of scratched our heads a

946
00:51:11,867 --> 00:51:14,507
Speaker 2: bit about the removal of Dave Rennie and the and

947
00:51:14,627 --> 00:51:17,187
Speaker 2: the incoming Eddie Jones, and we all know how that

948
00:51:17,307 --> 00:51:20,707
Speaker 2: worked out. Would Dave Rennie entertain a conversation with Daniel

949
00:51:20,747 --> 00:51:22,707
Speaker 2: Herbert about about coming back in.

950
00:51:23,427 --> 00:51:23,907
Speaker 13: I don't know.

951
00:51:24,147 --> 00:51:26,547
Speaker 8: I would hope he would. A lot of a lot

952
00:51:26,587 --> 00:51:29,867
Speaker 8: of Australians are really disappointed how that happened, and I'm

953
00:51:29,907 --> 00:51:32,147
Speaker 8: on record when they put it early it was going

954
00:51:32,187 --> 00:51:35,667
Speaker 8: to be a disaster for day one and David had

955
00:51:35,707 --> 00:51:38,747
Speaker 8: to overcome a lot of difficulties aside that was struggling

956
00:51:38,827 --> 00:51:41,987
Speaker 8: a bit, a tremendous about a lot of injuries, and

957
00:51:42,107 --> 00:51:44,587
Speaker 8: he did a pretty good job and was very popular

958
00:51:44,627 --> 00:51:47,827
Speaker 8: with the player. So I would I would definitely if

959
00:51:47,827 --> 00:51:49,987
Speaker 8: I was wearing in Australian Roubia. I picked up the phone,

960
00:51:50,747 --> 00:51:53,507
Speaker 8: I would and I'd pick up the phone to Jamie Joseph.

961
00:51:55,427 --> 00:51:58,907
Speaker 8: That's only me personally. I don't think there's any other

962
00:51:59,467 --> 00:52:02,707
Speaker 8: overseas people that have the runs on the board that

963
00:52:02,867 --> 00:52:07,267
Speaker 8: you could support and coaching national team. He's not a

964
00:52:07,307 --> 00:52:11,467
Speaker 8: one man job, having the best assistance, the best selection panel,

965
00:52:13,867 --> 00:52:15,867
Speaker 8: and you've got to do your share of work on

966
00:52:15,947 --> 00:52:18,147
Speaker 8: the field as well. We have gone down the road

967
00:52:18,187 --> 00:52:21,827
Speaker 8: at times in Australia the coach didn't do as much

968
00:52:21,827 --> 00:52:24,227
Speaker 8: as you should have done the field. He's more of

969
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:27,067
Speaker 8: a manager. So the area you have got a lot

970
00:52:27,147 --> 00:52:29,707
Speaker 8: of work to do to get the right person, what

971
00:52:29,907 --> 00:52:30,867
Speaker 8: that structure looks like.

972
00:52:31,827 --> 00:52:33,787
Speaker 2: And just to circle back to Jo Shmitt to finish,

973
00:52:34,227 --> 00:52:37,347
Speaker 2: you've you've talked about the way he's coached this side.

974
00:52:37,427 --> 00:52:39,147
Speaker 2: He'll hand a team over at the back end of

975
00:52:39,187 --> 00:52:41,267
Speaker 2: this year. They're still a big year of rugby hedge

976
00:52:41,307 --> 00:52:43,747
Speaker 2: on of course, but the Lions tour and the Rugby Championship.

977
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:47,107
Speaker 2: But do you think they'll have He'll have advanced the

978
00:52:47,187 --> 00:52:49,347
Speaker 2: Wallabies judgment from from what he took over.

979
00:52:50,707 --> 00:52:53,107
Speaker 8: I think so, but on the results it may not

980
00:52:53,227 --> 00:52:53,747
Speaker 8: appear so.

981
00:52:54,307 --> 00:52:54,987
Speaker 19: But I think.

982
00:52:57,067 --> 00:53:01,627
Speaker 8: The team appears to be far set, more settled, and

983
00:53:01,707 --> 00:53:04,107
Speaker 8: there's a betit of elif back of the Australian rugby

984
00:53:04,627 --> 00:53:09,707
Speaker 8: and probably just appointment for its leading. So yeah, I

985
00:53:09,787 --> 00:53:13,187
Speaker 8: think he's done a pretty good job and Australia have

986
00:53:13,227 --> 00:53:16,547
Speaker 8: got a tremendously idea. The plan the Lions three times,

987
00:53:16,827 --> 00:53:18,827
Speaker 8: the All Blacks in the spring box a couple of times.

988
00:53:19,027 --> 00:53:24,147
Speaker 8: It doesn't get much harder, So I'm kind of I

989
00:53:24,267 --> 00:53:27,307
Speaker 8: wish it possibly had stepped aside at the Lions to

990
00:53:27,427 --> 00:53:31,627
Speaker 8: it after that, and then someone else came in and

991
00:53:31,747 --> 00:53:33,187
Speaker 8: did the work and then took them on the tour

992
00:53:33,267 --> 00:53:35,507
Speaker 8: at the end of the year. That would have been that.

993
00:53:35,587 --> 00:53:38,947
Speaker 8: I can also understand the other option finished his job

994
00:53:38,987 --> 00:53:41,907
Speaker 8: here in Australia and then the new person comes in

995
00:53:41,987 --> 00:53:44,787
Speaker 8: and takes over. So the transition has to be smooth.

996
00:53:45,267 --> 00:53:48,347
Speaker 8: In selections, it has to be smooth and how they're

997
00:53:48,387 --> 00:53:52,387
Speaker 8: playing the game, so said the Australia run the Union.

998
00:53:53,187 --> 00:53:56,387
Speaker 8: You know, the appointment of the it was a disaster.

999
00:53:56,907 --> 00:53:59,147
Speaker 8: They got put a lot of thought into who they

1000
00:53:59,227 --> 00:54:02,387
Speaker 8: bring in and what type of structure that that looks like,

1001
00:54:03,187 --> 00:54:05,827
Speaker 8: and so they've got a bit of work to do.

1002
00:54:06,507 --> 00:54:08,907
Speaker 2: You've provided us with some terrific inside John. Thanks so

1003
00:54:08,987 --> 00:54:11,067
Speaker 2: much for joining us. We'll watch with interest from this

1004
00:54:11,147 --> 00:54:13,627
Speaker 2: side of the Tasman but really appreciate your time this afternoon.

1005
00:54:14,107 --> 00:54:15,627
Speaker 8: R It's a pressure now.

1006
00:54:15,667 --> 00:54:18,067
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, John, John Connolly there knuckles as

1007
00:54:18,107 --> 00:54:20,467
Speaker 2: they used to call them, a former Wallaby's coach talking

1008
00:54:20,467 --> 00:54:22,667
Speaker 2: a lot of sense as per usual. Are your chanced

1009
00:54:22,707 --> 00:54:24,627
Speaker 2: to react to what you heard there from John Connolly? Oh,

1010
00:54:24,707 --> 00:54:27,667
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This wasn't a surprise,

1011
00:54:27,867 --> 00:54:32,147
Speaker 2: was it when it was revealed in the last couple

1012
00:54:32,147 --> 00:54:34,547
Speaker 2: of days that Joe Schmidt would step down from the

1013
00:54:34,787 --> 00:54:38,987
Speaker 2: Wallaby's coaching position. He was supposed to. I think according

1014
00:54:39,027 --> 00:54:42,307
Speaker 2: to the original time frame, let Rugby Australia know by

1015
00:54:42,867 --> 00:54:45,387
Speaker 2: the end of December what his plans were. He's held

1016
00:54:45,427 --> 00:54:47,587
Speaker 2: off for a month or so and that has probably

1017
00:54:47,627 --> 00:54:50,707
Speaker 2: been because they've been talking about this extension that he

1018
00:54:50,827 --> 00:54:52,707
Speaker 2: will go through the lines to and now which he

1019
00:54:52,787 --> 00:54:56,227
Speaker 2: was always contracted to and will now tag on the

1020
00:54:56,387 --> 00:55:01,067
Speaker 2: Rugby Championship as well, which I guess gives Rugby Australia

1021
00:55:01,107 --> 00:55:03,867
Speaker 2: a bit more time to come up with a successor

1022
00:55:04,507 --> 00:55:06,827
Speaker 2: gets Joe Schmidt a bit more time to developed these

1023
00:55:06,867 --> 00:55:10,187
Speaker 2: players with some tough test matches and the Rugby Championship

1024
00:55:10,227 --> 00:55:13,467
Speaker 2: against the All Black South Africa and Argentina. But he's

1025
00:55:13,507 --> 00:55:17,627
Speaker 2: always said this was a temporary thing. His family still

1026
00:55:17,707 --> 00:55:20,667
Speaker 2: back here in New Zealand and he wasn't prepared to

1027
00:55:20,707 --> 00:55:24,587
Speaker 2: put them through two more years of him being largely absent,

1028
00:55:24,667 --> 00:55:27,587
Speaker 2: and probably not willing to put himself through it either,

1029
00:55:28,147 --> 00:55:30,307
Speaker 2: being absent from his own family for that long. It's

1030
00:55:30,347 --> 00:55:34,707
Speaker 2: the right call, family first always, as I said to John,

1031
00:55:34,747 --> 00:55:38,747
Speaker 2: then I think Rugby Australia probably signed Joe Schmidt up

1032
00:55:38,827 --> 00:55:41,907
Speaker 2: and secretly hoped that he would just love it so

1033
00:55:42,107 --> 00:55:45,307
Speaker 2: much and get the bug back that he had when

1034
00:55:45,347 --> 00:55:47,587
Speaker 2: he was coaching Ireland and then part of the All Blacks,

1035
00:55:47,587 --> 00:55:50,867
Speaker 2: that he changed his mind and stay that he would

1036
00:55:50,907 --> 00:55:54,907
Speaker 2: love it so much that he couldn't turn down the

1037
00:55:54,947 --> 00:55:58,027
Speaker 2: opportunity of taking the Wallabies to the Rugby World Cup

1038
00:55:58,067 --> 00:56:01,227
Speaker 2: on home soil in a couple of years. But he

1039
00:56:01,307 --> 00:56:03,307
Speaker 2: stood firm and as I said, I think it's the

1040
00:56:03,387 --> 00:56:06,147
Speaker 2: right call. He's given them three more months, his last

1041
00:56:06,147 --> 00:56:12,067
Speaker 2: game in charge October fourth against New Zealand and Perth. Now,

1042
00:56:12,107 --> 00:56:13,947
Speaker 2: regardless of what happens this year and there is a

1043
00:56:13,987 --> 00:56:16,707
Speaker 2: lot of rugby ahead those Lions Test and the Rugby Championship.

1044
00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:20,387
Speaker 2: Josht will likely leave the Wallabies in a much better

1045
00:56:20,427 --> 00:56:21,947
Speaker 2: place than he found them. That is a low bar,

1046
00:56:22,467 --> 00:56:25,987
Speaker 2: a very low bar, because they were an absolute basket

1047
00:56:26,107 --> 00:56:29,947
Speaker 2: case when he took over after the departure of Eddie Jones.

1048
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,307
Speaker 2: There's no need to relitigate all of that. Anything would

1049
00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:37,547
Speaker 2: have been an improvement on the shambles that was his

1050
00:56:37,707 --> 00:56:40,707
Speaker 2: coaching tenure. And while he hasn't won everybody over, he

1051
00:56:40,827 --> 00:56:43,907
Speaker 2: certainly righted the ship, hasn't he He's righted the ship.

1052
00:56:43,987 --> 00:56:48,987
Speaker 2: So now we ask who's going to take over? The candidates,

1053
00:56:49,067 --> 00:56:52,027
Speaker 2: as John Connolly outlined them locally, you look at the

1054
00:56:52,067 --> 00:56:56,067
Speaker 2: super rugby coaches Les Kiss at the Reds, Stephen Larkham

1055
00:56:56,067 --> 00:56:59,667
Speaker 2: at the Brumbies, Dan McCalla at the Waratahs also but

1056
00:56:59,747 --> 00:57:03,427
Speaker 2: to mail around and again John mentioned these names Michael Checker,

1057
00:57:03,547 --> 00:57:05,507
Speaker 2: although he didn't think that would happen. Davennie was an

1058
00:57:05,507 --> 00:57:08,227
Speaker 2: interesting one. I don't think I ever thought that Dave

1059
00:57:08,307 --> 00:57:10,907
Speaker 2: Rennie would even pick up the phone anymore to Rugby

1060
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:14,867
Speaker 2: Australia after what they did to him, the way he

1061
00:57:15,067 --> 00:57:21,027
Speaker 2: was so unceremoniously dumped and so shabbily treated when Rugby

1062
00:57:21,067 --> 00:57:25,107
Speaker 2: Australia were desperately chasing after Eddie Jones to bring him back,

1063
00:57:25,187 --> 00:57:27,147
Speaker 2: and as I say, we all know how that turned out.

1064
00:57:27,187 --> 00:57:29,987
Speaker 2: But maybe Dave Rennie would would pick up the phone

1065
00:57:31,347 --> 00:57:33,507
Speaker 2: and have a conversation, conversation. I think he would be

1066
00:57:33,787 --> 00:57:36,827
Speaker 2: a popular choice. I think they liked him for the

1067
00:57:36,907 --> 00:57:39,227
Speaker 2: most part during his time there. I think he was

1068
00:57:39,227 --> 00:57:43,667
Speaker 2: starting to show signs of improvement with the team. The

1069
00:57:43,787 --> 00:57:45,947
Speaker 2: results might not necessarily have shown that, but I think

1070
00:57:46,067 --> 00:57:49,667
Speaker 2: internally things were improving under Dave Rennie. He's a bloody

1071
00:57:49,707 --> 00:57:54,267
Speaker 2: good coach. The dark horse for me though, the dark

1072
00:57:54,387 --> 00:57:57,707
Speaker 2: horse for me, the guy i'd be having a conversation

1073
00:57:57,867 --> 00:58:02,107
Speaker 2: with if I was Phil war or Daniel Herbert's chair,

1074
00:58:02,147 --> 00:58:04,867
Speaker 2: whoever makes these conversions, you know, these phone calls, I'd

1075
00:58:04,907 --> 00:58:10,267
Speaker 2: be picking up the phone to Leon McDonald, no longer

1076
00:58:10,347 --> 00:58:12,987
Speaker 2: part of the all black setup in the market for

1077
00:58:13,107 --> 00:58:14,987
Speaker 2: a job, you presume. I don't think he's been picked

1078
00:58:15,027 --> 00:58:17,387
Speaker 2: up by anybody. I couldn't find any evidence of a

1079
00:58:17,867 --> 00:58:21,027
Speaker 2: new role for Leon McDonald anywhere. I might be wrong,

1080
00:58:21,067 --> 00:58:22,267
Speaker 2: you might be able to correct me, but I don't

1081
00:58:22,267 --> 00:58:26,027
Speaker 2: think he's got a gig at the moment. Deep knowledge

1082
00:58:27,027 --> 00:58:29,027
Speaker 2: of rugby in this part of the world, deep knowledge

1083
00:58:29,067 --> 00:58:32,467
Speaker 2: of New Zealand rugby and specifically the All Blacks environment,

1084
00:58:33,787 --> 00:58:35,627
Speaker 2: he'd be able to take a lot of intel into

1085
00:58:36,027 --> 00:58:40,667
Speaker 2: the Wallabies camp about the best ways to deconstruct the

1086
00:58:40,787 --> 00:58:45,067
Speaker 2: All Blacks. Why not follow one keywi with another. Imagine

1087
00:58:45,267 --> 00:58:50,227
Speaker 2: Razor against Leon for the bleeders Low Cup in twenty

1088
00:58:50,267 --> 00:58:53,507
Speaker 2: twenty six. I'd love to see it. Oh eight hundred

1089
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two for your

1090
00:58:56,067 --> 00:59:00,387
Speaker 2: text messages, your suggestions and if you're Leon McDonald, how

1091
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Speaker 2: would you go singing Advance Australia fair ahead of a

1092
00:59:04,627 --> 00:59:07,787
Speaker 2: Test match instead of God Defend New Zealand eight hundred

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Speaker 2: There'd be one talking the success of the Joe Schmidt

1116
01:00:20,787 --> 01:00:24,587
Speaker 2: as Wallaby's rugby coach. I mean, I think for us,

1117
01:00:24,667 --> 01:00:26,867
Speaker 2: and we say this a lot, it's important for us

1118
01:00:26,947 --> 01:00:30,547
Speaker 2: that Australia are strong and under Joe Schmidt. They started

1119
01:00:30,587 --> 01:00:34,627
Speaker 2: to show a bit of revival after the absolute debarcle

1120
01:00:34,707 --> 01:00:38,427
Speaker 2: that was Eddie Jones's last tenure there. I think we

1121
01:00:38,627 --> 01:00:42,787
Speaker 2: want every year for the Bledisloe Cup to be a contest.

1122
01:00:43,587 --> 01:00:45,827
Speaker 2: I still don't want to lose it, but I want

1123
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Speaker 2: it to be a contest. I want there to be

1124
01:00:47,747 --> 01:00:53,107
Speaker 2: jeopardy around Bledisloe Cup matches, around all blacks Wallaby's test matches. Yes,

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01:00:53,147 --> 01:00:57,067
Speaker 2: there have been some close test matches, but how long

1126
01:00:57,107 --> 01:00:59,587
Speaker 2: are we at the Bledisloe two thousand and three was

1127
01:00:59,627 --> 01:01:03,227
Speaker 2: it when we got it? I mean we're approaching quarter

1128
01:01:03,307 --> 01:01:08,107
Speaker 2: of a century territory year since the Wallabies last had it.

1129
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Speaker 2: Nobody's ever posted on social media great to see the

1130
01:01:12,187 --> 01:01:15,787
Speaker 2: Wallabies when the bled a slow Cup because it predates that.

1131
01:01:16,507 --> 01:01:21,347
Speaker 2: Facebook didn't turn up until about what six easy choice,

1132
01:01:21,587 --> 01:01:26,147
Speaker 2: says jackx Leon McDonald. And by the way, I wouldn't

1133
01:01:26,147 --> 01:01:27,907
Speaker 2: want to get tackled on the hard summer grounds here.

1134
01:01:29,067 --> 01:01:31,067
Speaker 2: It's always the way, isn't it. With the early early

1135
01:01:31,187 --> 01:01:34,667
Speaker 2: season start to Super Rugby, with the with the ground

1136
01:01:34,747 --> 01:01:36,907
Speaker 2: still being so hard and the weather still being so hot,

1137
01:01:37,107 --> 01:01:40,027
Speaker 2: I'm sure they water it. David Campiece, he says this

1138
01:01:40,227 --> 01:01:42,067
Speaker 2: one he's got an opinion, so let's see if he

1139
01:01:42,067 --> 01:01:43,947
Speaker 2: can do better. I don't think David campeas he has

1140
01:01:43,987 --> 01:01:46,547
Speaker 2: any interest at all in coaching the Wallabies. I go

1141
01:01:46,627 --> 01:01:49,467
Speaker 2: Stephen Larkham, says Blake. He took the Brumbies to the

1142
01:01:49,507 --> 01:01:52,307
Speaker 2: Super Rugby semis. I know they really like Stephen Larkham

1143
01:01:52,387 --> 01:01:57,507
Speaker 2: over there as a future perhaps head coach. Maybe he's

1144
01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:59,427
Speaker 2: part of the setup, has been part of the setup

1145
01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,307
Speaker 2: in the past. Is he ready to take on the

1146
01:02:01,387 --> 01:02:05,587
Speaker 2: job full time? Not sure, Nicholas says Bolt. Combination. Here

1147
01:02:05,587 --> 01:02:10,827
Speaker 2: you go John Mitchell, Brad Thorne and Leon McDonald. Wow

1148
01:02:11,747 --> 01:02:15,107
Speaker 2: three key weis although brad Thorne's both as his dual

1149
01:02:15,507 --> 01:02:19,507
Speaker 2: nationality John Mitchell, brad Thorne, Leon McDonald And could Warren

1150
01:02:19,547 --> 01:02:23,147
Speaker 2: Gatlan be inopson by then as well well if he

1151
01:02:23,227 --> 01:02:24,947
Speaker 2: keeps on going the same way he is with Wales.

1152
01:02:24,987 --> 01:02:26,947
Speaker 2: I don't know that it held onto that job for

1153
01:02:27,347 --> 01:02:31,387
Speaker 2: too much longer, but yeah, And the international coaching experience

1154
01:02:31,507 --> 01:02:36,067
Speaker 2: is a really interesting part of this. When there was

1155
01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:41,707
Speaker 2: the recruitment process for Scott Robertson, that was always the

1156
01:02:41,787 --> 01:02:46,547
Speaker 2: big question mark about his lack of international coaching experience,

1157
01:02:46,627 --> 01:02:50,787
Speaker 2: The fact he hadn't coached anybody internationally and coached the

1158
01:02:50,827 --> 01:02:57,867
Speaker 2: Crusaders with immense success for so so long, but hadn't

1159
01:02:57,907 --> 01:03:00,587
Speaker 2: ever done it with an international team and the different

1160
01:03:01,827 --> 01:03:04,027
Speaker 2: dynamic that comes with that. And I think Scott Robertson

1161
01:03:04,147 --> 01:03:06,667
Speaker 2: learns a lot about that last year, not having his

1162
01:03:06,787 --> 01:03:10,627
Speaker 2: players every week, not being able to just write off

1163
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Speaker 2: a loss as part of a fourteen game regular season

1164
01:03:13,627 --> 01:03:16,067
Speaker 2: and saying, no, that's okay, We'll take that loss because

1165
01:03:16,067 --> 01:03:19,067
Speaker 2: we'll win again next week. Can't do that with the

1166
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Speaker 2: All Blacks. So maybe international experience is important. Maybe that's

1167
01:03:24,307 --> 01:03:28,707
Speaker 2: why there is the reluctance around Dan McCalla and Stephen

1168
01:03:28,787 --> 01:03:31,347
Speaker 2: Larkham and less Kiss, and why there would probably be

1169
01:03:32,987 --> 01:03:36,307
Speaker 2: reluctance around Leo McDonald as well, because while he's had

1170
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Speaker 2: assistant coach experience with the All Blacks, it wasn't for

1171
01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:41,867
Speaker 2: a long time, was it? When did he knock it

1172
01:03:41,947 --> 01:03:44,267
Speaker 2: on the head after I think before they even went

1173
01:03:44,267 --> 01:03:46,187
Speaker 2: to South Africa last year? Was that four or five

1174
01:03:46,227 --> 01:03:54,387
Speaker 2: test matches before he parted ways Ronan O'Gara. O'Gara rather

1175
01:03:54,467 --> 01:03:57,427
Speaker 2: I see is interested. I see it being reported in

1176
01:03:57,507 --> 01:03:59,747
Speaker 2: the Sydney Morning Herald that he's thrown his hat into

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01:03:59,787 --> 01:04:03,947
Speaker 2: the ring. He's at LaRochelle currently. He was with the

1178
01:04:03,987 --> 01:04:08,907
Speaker 2: Crusaders of course for a while Ronan Are He says

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Speaker 2: he's interested. Phil war has said he wants to ensure

1180
01:04:15,307 --> 01:04:18,267
Speaker 2: that the Wallabies progress that was being made under Joe

1181
01:04:18,307 --> 01:04:22,667
Speaker 2: Schmidt is continued and his insight will be valuable in

1182
01:04:22,747 --> 01:04:27,267
Speaker 2: assessing prospective coaches for wall says we need to keep

1183
01:04:27,307 --> 01:04:30,107
Speaker 2: the same level of progression that we see in the

1184
01:04:30,147 --> 01:04:33,867
Speaker 2: Wallaby's environment right now, and I think that's been largely

1185
01:04:33,987 --> 01:04:36,547
Speaker 2: driven by the culture that's been created by both Joe

1186
01:04:37,067 --> 01:04:43,627
Speaker 2: and his coaching team. He also says that if the

1187
01:04:43,747 --> 01:04:48,907
Speaker 2: best candidate to continue that trajectory is an overseas candidate,

1188
01:04:49,627 --> 01:04:51,947
Speaker 2: then we will be making the right choice for the

1189
01:04:52,027 --> 01:04:55,147
Speaker 2: players development. So yeah, I think we know that Rugby

1190
01:04:55,147 --> 01:05:01,907
Speaker 2: Australia don't have any problem with an overseas coach. I've

1191
01:05:01,907 --> 01:05:06,747
Speaker 2: had plenty, haven't they, Robbie Deans, Dave Rennie, Joe Schmidt.

1192
01:05:07,587 --> 01:05:11,507
Speaker 2: It's it's not even a thing for them anymore. It'd

1193
01:05:11,507 --> 01:05:12,307
Speaker 2: still be a thing for us.

1194
01:05:12,347 --> 01:05:12,667
Speaker 10: I think.

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01:05:13,027 --> 01:05:16,547
Speaker 2: I think I think we'd still I think we'd still

1196
01:05:18,747 --> 01:05:21,787
Speaker 2: balk at the idea of a non new Zealand All

1197
01:05:21,827 --> 01:05:25,747
Speaker 2: Blacks coach Mars says, forget about the Wallabies, get Joe

1198
01:05:25,787 --> 01:05:27,267
Speaker 2: Schmitt back into the All Blacks frame.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether that'll happen either, Maus. It just

1201
01:05:31,187 --> 01:05:33,827
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like that is a natural fit with Scott

1202
01:05:33,907 --> 01:05:37,107
Speaker 2: Robertson and the Bleat zone needs to be the best

1203
01:05:37,147 --> 01:05:39,627
Speaker 2: of three games. While we're on the subjects, is this

1204
01:05:39,747 --> 01:05:43,627
Speaker 2: one with the holder having home advantage in games one

1205
01:05:43,667 --> 01:05:48,147
Speaker 2: and three? Well, we do have. We have had not

1206
01:05:48,267 --> 01:05:52,147
Speaker 2: every year, but we have had three game Bledisloe Cup series.

1207
01:05:53,107 --> 01:05:55,507
Speaker 2: Often it's the Rugby Championship and then you tag one

1208
01:05:55,587 --> 01:05:58,867
Speaker 2: on which can be in Australia, can be in New Zealand,

1209
01:05:58,907 --> 01:06:01,267
Speaker 2: can be somethingly completely different. So we have had three

1210
01:06:01,307 --> 01:06:03,787
Speaker 2: game series. We don't this year, do we. We don't

1211
01:06:03,827 --> 01:06:07,347
Speaker 2: have a three game series this year from just the

1212
01:06:07,427 --> 01:06:09,867
Speaker 2: two and the Rugby Championship. It does give a lot

1213
01:06:09,907 --> 01:06:13,107
Speaker 2: of advantage to the holder, doesn't it. When you know

1214
01:06:13,187 --> 01:06:16,227
Speaker 2: you've got to lose, you know you've got to lose

1215
01:06:18,507 --> 01:06:20,587
Speaker 2: at you know, away and at home. And for the

1216
01:06:20,627 --> 01:06:22,227
Speaker 2: All Blacks, I mean we hardly ever lose at home,

1217
01:06:22,747 --> 01:06:25,787
Speaker 2: especially not to Australia. So yeah, i'd like to see

1218
01:06:25,787 --> 01:06:26,707
Speaker 2: a three games led USOW Cup.

1219
01:06:26,707 --> 01:06:26,947
Speaker 4: Serias.

1220
01:06:26,947 --> 01:06:29,067
Speaker 2: I don't think you get too many arguments from a

1221
01:06:29,107 --> 01:06:31,307
Speaker 2: lot of people. We'll get you a coast to coast

1222
01:06:31,387 --> 01:06:35,547
Speaker 2: update in a moment. The Warriors, meantime, last night had

1223
01:06:35,587 --> 01:06:39,867
Speaker 2: their first official preseason game as part of the NRL's

1224
01:06:39,907 --> 01:06:43,387
Speaker 2: Preseason Challenge in Sydney. They had a twelve all draw

1225
01:06:43,507 --> 01:06:44,747
Speaker 2: with Crenella. I didn't watch the game.

1226
01:06:44,787 --> 01:06:45,187
Speaker 4: You might have.

1227
01:06:45,707 --> 01:06:47,267
Speaker 2: I've done a bit of reading about it this morning.

1228
01:06:47,307 --> 01:06:50,187
Speaker 2: Sounds like it was a fairly rugged encounter. Twelve all

1229
01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:52,827
Speaker 2: is actually low scoring for pre season, isn't it. You

1230
01:06:53,467 --> 01:06:55,427
Speaker 2: kind of get the feeling that preseason games are often

1231
01:06:56,227 --> 01:07:01,307
Speaker 2: not necessarily defense optional, but not as defensively rigid and

1232
01:07:01,427 --> 01:07:04,347
Speaker 2: solid as the regular season games. At twelve all tells

1233
01:07:04,387 --> 01:07:07,467
Speaker 2: the tale of a fairly tight defense effort from both sides.

1234
01:07:08,667 --> 01:07:13,027
Speaker 2: No Toaho Harris anymore, of course, No Sean Johnson. Mitch

1235
01:07:13,107 --> 01:07:17,027
Speaker 2: Barnett I think was kept in last night. They haven't

1236
01:07:17,027 --> 01:07:18,947
Speaker 2: announced the official captain of the team yet, have they?

1237
01:07:19,467 --> 01:07:22,227
Speaker 2: But I think Mitch Barnett might have led them out

1238
01:07:22,307 --> 01:07:24,507
Speaker 2: last night. Here are some of his thoughts afterwards.

1239
01:07:24,587 --> 01:07:26,667
Speaker 20: Looked a little dicey in the opening ten minutes, you're

1240
01:07:26,827 --> 01:07:28,947
Speaker 20: splattered in blood and off to get a.

1241
01:07:28,947 --> 01:07:29,947
Speaker 18: Little bit of treatment.

1242
01:07:30,027 --> 01:07:31,667
Speaker 20: You've got stitches everywhere already.

1243
01:07:31,867 --> 01:07:33,627
Speaker 18: It's a rough opening to the year for you.

1244
01:07:34,307 --> 01:07:36,547
Speaker 11: Well, there goes me modeling creating that was gone a

1245
01:07:36,587 --> 01:07:39,827
Speaker 11: long time ago. But it's Yeah, obviously it was a

1246
01:07:39,867 --> 01:07:40,667
Speaker 11: bit rusty early on.

1247
01:07:41,147 --> 01:07:44,027
Speaker 5: I think we were just a bit jumpy and the sorry.

1248
01:07:43,867 --> 01:07:47,267
Speaker 11: The Tampa was there, so but yeah, there's plenty to

1249
01:07:47,267 --> 01:07:50,267
Speaker 11: build on there. And yeah, like it was a rusty

1250
01:07:50,347 --> 01:07:52,747
Speaker 11: hit out and hopefully I don't get as many stitches

1251
01:07:52,747 --> 01:07:53,067
Speaker 11: this year.

1252
01:07:53,307 --> 01:07:55,107
Speaker 7: Just tell me about the physicality, because you guys have

1253
01:07:55,187 --> 01:07:58,347
Speaker 7: been going at this since before Christmas. I only really

1254
01:07:58,467 --> 01:08:00,507
Speaker 7: compete against each other. You get out there in the

1255
01:08:00,547 --> 01:08:02,467
Speaker 7: first count of tackles, you got stitches, you got blood

1256
01:08:02,507 --> 01:08:04,947
Speaker 7: going everywhere. Was a physicality right up there to start

1257
01:08:04,987 --> 01:08:05,507
Speaker 7: this contest.

1258
01:08:06,427 --> 01:08:09,187
Speaker 11: Yeah, lot, the intent was cood. I just think we're

1259
01:08:09,227 --> 01:08:11,747
Speaker 11: a bit loose and it's sort a bit too nice

1260
01:08:11,787 --> 01:08:13,827
Speaker 11: on the ground. We just sort of weren't putting our

1261
01:08:13,867 --> 01:08:16,427
Speaker 11: weight through them. So but we'll learn from that. I mean,

1262
01:08:17,067 --> 01:08:18,467
Speaker 11: you know, you don't really know how you're going, so

1263
01:08:18,547 --> 01:08:19,987
Speaker 11: you get out and tackle other people.

1264
01:08:20,347 --> 01:08:21,707
Speaker 5: When you tackle on your own teammates.

1265
01:08:21,747 --> 01:08:24,307
Speaker 11: It sort of gets a bit repetitive, so we know

1266
01:08:24,387 --> 01:08:26,507
Speaker 11: what we can work on now, and yeah, we've got

1267
01:08:26,547 --> 01:08:27,467
Speaker 11: another troil next weegain.

1268
01:08:27,627 --> 01:08:30,387
Speaker 2: That is the voice of Mitch Barnett. Charnce nikol Klukstar

1269
01:08:30,547 --> 01:08:33,347
Speaker 2: started in the number one Jersey. How did he come

1270
01:08:33,467 --> 01:08:35,227
Speaker 2: through last night? What were his thoughts about it?

1271
01:08:35,427 --> 01:08:35,747
Speaker 4: Chance?

1272
01:08:35,947 --> 01:08:38,107
Speaker 21: A bit of a sloppy performance, but that's wild Aorgroy.

1273
01:08:38,147 --> 01:08:40,187
Speaker 21: How did you feel about the Warriors first hit out

1274
01:08:40,307 --> 01:08:41,467
Speaker 21: of season twenty twenty five.

1275
01:08:41,747 --> 01:08:45,507
Speaker 5: Yeah, something to build off. We weren't happy with the start.

1276
01:08:45,547 --> 01:08:47,827
Speaker 22: Obviously, it's something that we can fix up, and it's

1277
01:08:47,827 --> 01:08:49,787
Speaker 22: ev you fix up. But there's a good base there

1278
01:08:49,827 --> 01:08:50,827
Speaker 22: and we're building.

1279
01:08:51,387 --> 01:08:53,307
Speaker 4: How does it feel at this Warriors organization?

1280
01:08:53,427 --> 01:08:55,787
Speaker 21: Obviously a lot of store wats in the club have

1281
01:08:55,987 --> 01:08:59,387
Speaker 21: left in Shawn Johnson, Tahu Harris retired in the pre season.

1282
01:08:59,427 --> 01:09:01,107
Speaker 4: How's it felt without those guys.

1283
01:09:01,587 --> 01:09:03,227
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's been brand I'm not going to lie, it's

1284
01:09:03,227 --> 01:09:03,707
Speaker 22: been friend.

1285
01:09:03,747 --> 01:09:05,747
Speaker 5: They've been the core in the heart of the clop

1286
01:09:05,787 --> 01:09:08,027
Speaker 5: for a very long time. So he's solely missed.

1287
01:09:08,067 --> 01:09:10,467
Speaker 22: But I feel like the boys that have come in,

1288
01:09:10,547 --> 01:09:12,667
Speaker 22: I've done a really good job to try and fill

1289
01:09:12,707 --> 01:09:15,347
Speaker 22: their shoes and you know, just to Metro first, she's

1290
01:09:15,387 --> 01:09:18,027
Speaker 22: he's been amazing and the color gold player that he

1291
01:09:18,187 --> 01:09:19,467
Speaker 22: is and what he's gone on to do in his

1292
01:09:19,547 --> 01:09:21,627
Speaker 22: own career already, it speaks for all him for itself.

1293
01:09:21,667 --> 01:09:22,867
Speaker 5: So he's a massive increasion for.

1294
01:09:22,907 --> 01:09:25,427
Speaker 21: Us and Luke metcalf obviously in the seventh and what

1295
01:09:25,507 --> 01:09:27,587
Speaker 21: did you make of him steering the ship around?

1296
01:09:27,987 --> 01:09:29,467
Speaker 4: Filling in that jersey of Shawanton.

1297
01:09:29,667 --> 01:09:31,467
Speaker 22: He's been under study of Shan for a very long

1298
01:09:31,507 --> 01:09:33,867
Speaker 22: time now and he did a good job tonight. He's

1299
01:09:34,427 --> 01:09:37,467
Speaker 22: building out his confidence, building those combinations and he's seen

1300
01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:39,267
Speaker 22: things and I think as a half, he's only going

1301
01:09:39,347 --> 01:09:41,547
Speaker 22: to get better and better. So big things in score

1302
01:09:41,667 --> 01:09:44,507
Speaker 22: for big Luky Metcalfter Ferrari and yeah, I can't wait

1303
01:09:44,507 --> 01:09:45,067
Speaker 22: to see him grow.

1304
01:09:45,347 --> 01:09:46,747
Speaker 21: And what about for you, obviously, a little bit of

1305
01:09:46,787 --> 01:09:48,867
Speaker 21: ice on the leg, how you're feeling? Will we see

1306
01:09:48,907 --> 01:09:51,107
Speaker 21: you next week or will be Vegas next time we

1307
01:09:51,147 --> 01:09:51,427
Speaker 21: see you?

1308
01:09:51,667 --> 01:09:53,907
Speaker 22: I know you'll see me Vegas, You'll see me next week,

1309
01:09:53,987 --> 01:09:58,507
Speaker 22: So it's that's just precaution, that's all good. Cramping played

1310
01:09:58,507 --> 01:10:00,187
Speaker 22: a little bit longer than I thought I was playing tonight,

1311
01:10:00,267 --> 01:10:03,307
Speaker 22: and that's good weather here at Sydney, so a bit

1312
01:10:03,387 --> 01:10:05,187
Speaker 22: more soul, but more for Drew Sandl.

1313
01:10:04,987 --> 01:10:05,547
Speaker 5: And we're good to go.

1314
01:10:05,947 --> 01:10:09,387
Speaker 2: That is Chance Nicol Klukstar who started in the Fallbacks

1315
01:10:09,467 --> 01:10:12,667
Speaker 2: Jersey last night. So there is one more preseason game

1316
01:10:13,307 --> 01:10:17,547
Speaker 2: for the Warriors. It's in Hamilton. Yeah, Hamilton, next Saturday. Yeah,

1317
01:10:17,587 --> 01:10:22,387
Speaker 2: next Saturday, a week today against the Storm in Hamilton.

1318
01:10:22,507 --> 01:10:24,987
Speaker 2: And then the season starts two weeks after that, and

1319
01:10:25,107 --> 01:10:29,027
Speaker 2: as we know, the Warriors will start the season in Vegas.

1320
01:10:29,827 --> 01:10:33,227
Speaker 2: It's incredible imagine saying that sentence a few years ago

1321
01:10:33,787 --> 01:10:36,507
Speaker 2: that the Warriors will start the NRL season in Vegas.

1322
01:10:36,587 --> 01:10:39,507
Speaker 2: But here we are. That's what they'll do. They'll be

1323
01:10:39,587 --> 01:10:42,147
Speaker 2: there against the Raiders. That game is actually one o'clock

1324
01:10:42,147 --> 01:10:45,987
Speaker 2: in the afternoon New Zealand time on Saturday, No Sunday,

1325
01:10:46,027 --> 01:10:47,107
Speaker 2: March the second, So we'll.

1326
01:10:46,987 --> 01:10:47,467
Speaker 4: Be on the air.

1327
01:10:47,867 --> 01:10:50,387
Speaker 2: We'll be on the air on weekend for keeping an

1328
01:10:50,387 --> 01:10:52,267
Speaker 2: eye on what the Warriors that earned against the Raiders

1329
01:10:52,307 --> 01:10:56,187
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. Terrific, looking forward to seeing how they go.

1330
01:10:56,827 --> 01:11:01,707
Speaker 2: One word here on the Knicks Wallaby's coach from Andrew Cotter.

1331
01:11:02,867 --> 01:11:07,467
Speaker 2: Vern Cotter. He's been an international coach, isn't he coached

1332
01:11:07,547 --> 01:11:12,627
Speaker 2: Fiji Super Rugby winning coach with the Blues. I've got

1333
01:11:12,707 --> 01:11:14,827
Speaker 2: Vern Codder on the radio tomorrow. You know what, Andrew,

1334
01:11:14,907 --> 01:11:18,867
Speaker 2: I'll ask him. I'll ask him tomorrow any interest Vern

1335
01:11:19,587 --> 01:11:22,867
Speaker 2: in coaching the Wallabies. I've written it down. I promise

1336
01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:25,987
Speaker 2: you I will ask him that question tomorrow twenty to two.

1337
01:11:26,107 --> 01:11:28,027
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back and cross the Tests

1338
01:11:28,067 --> 01:11:30,387
Speaker 2: and catch up with our Australian correspondent and a peacock.

1339
01:11:30,827 --> 01:11:36,747
Speaker 10: Don't get caught offside Weekend Sports with Jason Payne and GJ.

1340
01:11:36,987 --> 01:11:40,707
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1341
01:11:40,547 --> 01:11:44,227
Speaker 2: MB seventeen to two. Let's get you across the Tasman

1342
01:11:44,307 --> 01:11:47,067
Speaker 2: Our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock standing by. You've got your

1343
01:11:47,107 --> 01:11:49,707
Speaker 2: golfer nice and early. You're all unencumbered. You can chat

1344
01:11:49,787 --> 01:11:50,027
Speaker 2: to us.

1345
01:11:51,147 --> 01:11:52,587
Speaker 9: All done, Pinney, All done.

1346
01:11:52,667 --> 01:11:56,147
Speaker 23: It was a warm day here, very very warm, YEA

1347
01:11:56,307 --> 01:11:57,907
Speaker 23: glad to be out of the afternoon sun.

1348
01:11:58,347 --> 01:12:00,987
Speaker 2: All right, well, thanks for taking our call. A couple

1349
01:12:01,027 --> 01:12:05,147
Speaker 2: of issues to unpack. Let's start with Test cricket. Australia

1350
01:12:05,187 --> 01:12:08,347
Speaker 2: are currently in Sha where they're doing the business against

1351
01:12:08,347 --> 01:12:10,667
Speaker 2: a pretty portal ink inside by the looks of it.

1352
01:12:10,747 --> 01:12:13,107
Speaker 2: But Sam Constance, I'm interested in how this played out.

1353
01:12:13,387 --> 01:12:15,867
Speaker 2: We know he had a couple of whirlwind tests against

1354
01:12:15,947 --> 01:12:19,027
Speaker 2: India earlier in the summer, selected in the squad for

1355
01:12:19,107 --> 01:12:21,427
Speaker 2: the tour of Sri Lanka, but didn't make the side

1356
01:12:21,467 --> 01:12:23,587
Speaker 2: for the first Test, and and now he's come back home,

1357
01:12:23,667 --> 01:12:23,907
Speaker 2: has he.

1358
01:12:25,347 --> 01:12:30,187
Speaker 23: Yeah, so I think it was a matchup thing. They

1359
01:12:30,267 --> 01:12:33,267
Speaker 23: thought Travis Head is better to open over there, and

1360
01:12:33,347 --> 01:12:36,467
Speaker 23: they couldn't really drop Kowaja because he's good against spin.

1361
01:12:36,547 --> 01:12:39,467
Speaker 23: And it was solidified by the two hundred and thirty

1362
01:12:39,467 --> 01:12:42,507
Speaker 23: odd he made in the first game, so I can

1363
01:12:42,627 --> 01:12:46,667
Speaker 23: see why they took him. But you know, talking to

1364
01:12:46,707 --> 01:12:48,507
Speaker 23: a few people behind the scenes, they say, well, this

1365
01:12:48,627 --> 01:12:50,827
Speaker 23: is actually really good tour to go on, even if

1366
01:12:50,827 --> 01:12:53,667
Speaker 23: he doesn't play, just to see what the standard's like

1367
01:12:53,787 --> 01:12:57,067
Speaker 23: on tour, no pressure on him to perform. And then

1368
01:12:57,147 --> 01:12:58,787
Speaker 23: once it was realized he wasn't going to play in

1369
01:12:58,827 --> 01:13:01,827
Speaker 23: that second Test, come back home because you need red

1370
01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:04,347
Speaker 23: ball cricket and to sit there and tril Anka on

1371
01:13:04,427 --> 01:13:06,547
Speaker 23: his ars and not play as opposed to come back

1372
01:13:06,587 --> 01:13:09,427
Speaker 23: and playing a high pressure shield game is much better

1373
01:13:09,467 --> 01:13:11,467
Speaker 23: for his development and with a view to the World

1374
01:13:11,507 --> 01:13:13,627
Speaker 23: Test Championship in the middle of the year and you're

1375
01:13:13,627 --> 01:13:15,987
Speaker 23: probably playing the West Indies in the three three Test

1376
01:13:16,067 --> 01:13:17,947
Speaker 23: tour that we've got in the middle of the year

1377
01:13:17,987 --> 01:13:20,867
Speaker 23: as well. So yeah, it was a tough call tough

1378
01:13:20,947 --> 01:13:23,467
Speaker 23: selection corps. But given the way that we've batted on

1379
01:13:23,507 --> 01:13:25,147
Speaker 23: this tour so far, it's hard to say that the

1380
01:13:25,187 --> 01:13:26,187
Speaker 23: selectors have got it wrong.

1381
01:13:26,627 --> 01:13:26,827
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1382
01:13:26,907 --> 01:13:28,827
Speaker 2: Indeed, Well I went by on an things in two

1383
01:13:28,907 --> 01:13:30,867
Speaker 2: hundred and forty two runs in the first Test in

1384
01:13:30,987 --> 01:13:33,827
Speaker 2: Gaul six fifty four for six declared. It's a pretty

1385
01:13:33,867 --> 01:13:36,307
Speaker 2: decent first innings. And here we are in the second Test,

1386
01:13:36,587 --> 01:13:39,827
Speaker 2: also in Gaul three point thirty for three, with both

1387
01:13:39,947 --> 01:13:44,227
Speaker 2: Kerrey and Smith unbeaten on three figures overnight against Srilanks

1388
01:13:44,227 --> 01:13:47,787
Speaker 2: two fifty seven. It's very one side at this one, Adam,

1389
01:13:47,787 --> 01:13:48,027
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1390
01:13:49,227 --> 01:13:53,907
Speaker 23: Yeah? Surprisingly so, I actually think this wicket that apparently

1391
01:13:54,027 --> 01:13:57,547
Speaker 23: they were going to trick up, it looks pretty benign

1392
01:13:58,187 --> 01:14:00,147
Speaker 23: in terms of how you can bat on it. And

1393
01:14:00,467 --> 01:14:02,547
Speaker 23: Smith is in such good form at the moment. He's

1394
01:14:02,627 --> 01:14:05,427
Speaker 23: now join Alan Border and Steve Woar as the only

1395
01:14:06,387 --> 01:14:08,747
Speaker 23: big run scorer is in Australian Test cricket history for

1396
01:14:08,787 --> 01:14:12,907
Speaker 23: the men to have as many away Test hundreds as

1397
01:14:13,027 --> 01:14:15,827
Speaker 23: home Test hundreds. Alan Border actually had more away than home.

1398
01:14:15,907 --> 01:14:18,267
Speaker 23: That's how good he was, especially in an a dormant

1399
01:14:18,307 --> 01:14:21,387
Speaker 23: era for Australian cricket. But Steve Smith is just wherever

1400
01:14:21,507 --> 01:14:23,027
Speaker 23: he is and if he's in any kind of form,

1401
01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:24,707
Speaker 23: he's going to score runs. And he's done it again.

1402
01:14:25,907 --> 01:14:29,427
Speaker 2: Let's go to Sam Kerr. Now you know what a

1403
01:14:29,467 --> 01:14:31,827
Speaker 2: wonderful player she's been for Australia off the field. She's

1404
01:14:32,067 --> 01:14:33,867
Speaker 2: so on the field. She's been off the field for

1405
01:14:33,907 --> 01:14:36,107
Speaker 2: a bit with an injury, but she's also in the

1406
01:14:36,307 --> 01:14:40,427
Speaker 2: week past been in court. She is on trial for

1407
01:14:40,627 --> 01:14:45,067
Speaker 2: causing racially aggravated harassment to a policeman during an incident

1408
01:14:45,187 --> 01:14:48,507
Speaker 2: in London in January of twenty twenty three. Can you

1409
01:14:48,547 --> 01:14:49,987
Speaker 2: give us the broad brush strokes of this and what

1410
01:14:50,107 --> 01:14:51,067
Speaker 2: the likely outcome is.

1411
01:14:52,267 --> 01:14:56,947
Speaker 23: Yeah, so it's all in front of magistrate still so

1412
01:14:57,107 --> 01:15:01,867
Speaker 23: that we're waiting the outcome. But like there's bodycam footage

1413
01:15:01,987 --> 01:15:05,427
Speaker 23: been released. So they've been in court, herself, her partner,

1414
01:15:06,467 --> 01:15:08,867
Speaker 23: the police offers are in question, and other people surrounding

1415
01:15:08,907 --> 01:15:11,907
Speaker 23: the whole incident in question. Look there's a debate over

1416
01:15:11,947 --> 01:15:14,667
Speaker 23: here mainly surrounding Sam Ker whether or not she has

1417
01:15:14,787 --> 01:15:17,067
Speaker 23: leadership status going forward for the Matilda's. I don't think

1418
01:15:17,067 --> 01:15:19,707
Speaker 23: there's anyone who says that she should never play Frustrator again,

1419
01:15:20,067 --> 01:15:24,307
Speaker 23: and that's just frankly draconian. But everyone's awaiting that the

1420
01:15:24,427 --> 01:15:26,827
Speaker 23: judgment and the full facts to come out in the

1421
01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:29,627
Speaker 23: Court of Lord to make its judgment. But yeah, there's

1422
01:15:29,627 --> 01:15:33,267
Speaker 23: a paraoh debate saying, well, is this really captaincy behavior.

1423
01:15:33,787 --> 01:15:36,907
Speaker 19: If she is found guilty of it, And until that.

1424
01:15:37,067 --> 01:15:39,587
Speaker 23: Point and we find out if it's guilty or not guilty,

1425
01:15:40,627 --> 01:15:43,907
Speaker 23: we'll wait and see. But yes, it's not an appetizing

1426
01:15:43,987 --> 01:15:48,067
Speaker 23: look and might go to explain why Sam over the

1427
01:15:48,107 --> 01:15:51,587
Speaker 23: past two years, maybe she's been in a stress state

1428
01:15:51,667 --> 01:15:53,747
Speaker 23: of mind and that's why she's had injury after injury.

1429
01:15:53,787 --> 01:15:55,347
Speaker 23: She's just not been able to get on the park.

1430
01:15:55,427 --> 01:15:57,387
Speaker 23: She has that calf injury at the World Cup, barely

1431
01:15:57,467 --> 01:16:00,307
Speaker 23: able to play, scores a wonder goal in the semi final,

1432
01:16:00,427 --> 01:16:02,667
Speaker 23: but then blows out a knee and she's been missing

1433
01:16:02,947 --> 01:16:06,307
Speaker 23: for over thirteen fourteen months now, so it's all really

1434
01:16:06,467 --> 01:16:09,907
Speaker 23: unfortunate for everyone involved. But yeah, just have to wait

1435
01:16:09,947 --> 01:16:11,187
Speaker 23: for the courts to make their judgment.

1436
01:16:11,227 --> 01:16:13,507
Speaker 2: Really, what about the court of public opinion, does it?

1437
01:16:13,787 --> 01:16:18,027
Speaker 2: I mean, she's a darling of Australian sport. Is most

1438
01:16:18,187 --> 01:16:19,867
Speaker 2: public opinion on her side.

1439
01:16:21,347 --> 01:16:24,987
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's really split actually, people who you know, it's

1440
01:16:25,027 --> 01:16:26,187
Speaker 23: down those lines.

1441
01:16:25,907 --> 01:16:27,507
Speaker 1: Of if you support.

1442
01:16:28,907 --> 01:16:32,067
Speaker 23: The growth of the Matilda's and also admire of someone

1443
01:16:32,147 --> 01:16:34,907
Speaker 23: like Sam Kerr. It's like, well, yeah, she felt she

1444
01:16:35,027 --> 01:16:40,787
Speaker 23: was pushed in that position and you know, felt scared

1445
01:16:40,867 --> 01:16:44,067
Speaker 23: almost when she was in the police station. Where you've

1446
01:16:44,067 --> 01:16:46,747
Speaker 23: got people on the other side saying, well, no, she

1447
01:16:47,107 --> 01:16:50,667
Speaker 23: hasn't behaved to the standard of what you would expect

1448
01:16:50,707 --> 01:16:53,547
Speaker 23: of a captain of any sporting team in this country.

1449
01:16:53,627 --> 01:16:55,947
Speaker 23: She should be held to account. So yeah, people have

1450
01:16:56,067 --> 01:16:59,027
Speaker 23: charged off in every direction and making their judgment based

1451
01:16:59,067 --> 01:17:01,507
Speaker 23: on what they've seen and some evidence presented this week

1452
01:17:01,827 --> 01:17:05,267
Speaker 23: without probably knowing the full facts of everything that's gone

1453
01:17:05,267 --> 01:17:08,587
Speaker 23: on in that incident, and awaiting that judgment as well,

1454
01:17:08,627 --> 01:17:12,027
Speaker 23: which I'm of that ladder opinion that just or chill

1455
01:17:12,067 --> 01:17:13,827
Speaker 23: out and wait for everything to come out and then

1456
01:17:13,867 --> 01:17:14,787
Speaker 23: maybe make the judgment.

1457
01:17:15,227 --> 01:17:18,507
Speaker 2: Indeed, another Australian having a challenging time in London, as

1458
01:17:18,507 --> 01:17:21,907
Speaker 2: Ane Posta Coglu of course, boss of Tottenham Hotspurg, who

1459
01:17:22,427 --> 01:17:25,707
Speaker 2: find themselves fourteenth in the Premier League. Thanks for starting

1460
01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,187
Speaker 2: to pick up, they had to win in the Europa

1461
01:17:27,267 --> 01:17:30,467
Speaker 2: League and then a Premier League victory over Brentford, but

1462
01:17:30,547 --> 01:17:33,827
Speaker 2: a four nill loss to Liverpool in the second leg

1463
01:17:33,907 --> 01:17:36,987
Speaker 2: of their League Cup semi final in the last couple

1464
01:17:37,067 --> 01:17:40,227
Speaker 2: of days. You know, I don't know what you can

1465
01:17:40,307 --> 01:17:42,627
Speaker 2: believe as far as what you're hear coming out of

1466
01:17:42,707 --> 01:17:46,067
Speaker 2: the UK media, But would an Posta Coglu be in

1467
01:17:46,227 --> 01:17:47,707
Speaker 2: danger of losing his job?

1468
01:17:50,107 --> 01:17:50,307
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1469
01:17:51,027 --> 01:17:53,907
Speaker 23: Probably Given the track record of Daniel Levy, the guy

1470
01:17:53,947 --> 01:17:58,827
Speaker 23: who runs Tottenham Hotsburg, he's probably I wouldn' say his

1471
01:17:58,907 --> 01:18:01,387
Speaker 23: head's on the chopping bot, but it's a consideration at

1472
01:18:01,427 --> 01:18:05,107
Speaker 23: the moment. But Spurs have had this problem that they're

1473
01:18:05,187 --> 01:18:08,347
Speaker 23: just stuck in this whirlpool level pull of mediocrity so

1474
01:18:08,507 --> 01:18:10,147
Speaker 23: they can't get out, and it looked like Gans was

1475
01:18:10,187 --> 01:18:11,987
Speaker 23: the one to pull him out and they had a

1476
01:18:12,027 --> 01:18:15,107
Speaker 23: good season last season and looking forward to build for

1477
01:18:15,147 --> 01:18:18,067
Speaker 23: this season. I think we've mentioned it before. Piney you

1478
01:18:18,147 --> 01:18:19,787
Speaker 23: just can't get his best team on the park, and

1479
01:18:20,067 --> 01:18:22,107
Speaker 23: whether or not that's because of the style of playing

1480
01:18:22,147 --> 01:18:24,307
Speaker 23: the training load that he's given his team, I can

1481
01:18:24,387 --> 01:18:27,827
Speaker 23: only guess it is, so is there a major adjustment

1482
01:18:27,947 --> 01:18:30,587
Speaker 23: going to take place there? Otherwise the ultimate adjustment comes

1483
01:18:30,667 --> 01:18:33,587
Speaker 23: and Ands loses his job. So yeah, it's very much

1484
01:18:33,987 --> 01:18:35,147
Speaker 23: a job in question.

1485
01:18:36,427 --> 01:18:36,907
Speaker 6: Over here.

1486
01:18:37,027 --> 01:18:39,467
Speaker 23: Everyone's hoping that he does keep the job because it's

1487
01:18:39,507 --> 01:18:41,387
Speaker 23: good for Australian football to have someone like him in

1488
01:18:41,387 --> 01:18:43,947
Speaker 23: a role like that. It kind of helps our reputation.

1489
01:18:44,187 --> 01:18:46,627
Speaker 23: So we'll wait and see. He's just got to get

1490
01:18:46,627 --> 01:18:49,667
Speaker 23: through this period and see how the Europa League turns out.

1491
01:18:49,667 --> 01:18:51,427
Speaker 23: I think you'll be given a bit more time. I

1492
01:18:51,467 --> 01:18:53,507
Speaker 23: don't think they'll sack him in the next couple of weeks.

1493
01:18:53,907 --> 01:18:56,427
Speaker 23: Never really know with Daniel Levy, but I think until

1494
01:18:56,467 --> 01:18:59,787
Speaker 23: the end of the season is probably the most sensible

1495
01:19:00,387 --> 01:19:01,907
Speaker 23: kind of way of looking at it at the moment.

1496
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:05,427
Speaker 23: But it's English football and sometimes sensibilities play out the window,

1497
01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:07,307
Speaker 23: don't they They.

1498
01:19:07,387 --> 01:19:10,467
Speaker 2: They suddenly Derby tonight too in the A League. Suddeney

1499
01:19:10,547 --> 01:19:12,707
Speaker 2: FC Western Sydney wonders. I'm not sure this has reached

1500
01:19:12,707 --> 01:19:15,147
Speaker 2: the heights that it has previously in terms of the

1501
01:19:15,547 --> 01:19:18,067
Speaker 2: rabid support that used to be around. You're not hitting

1502
01:19:18,067 --> 01:19:19,267
Speaker 2: along tonight to Aliens.

1503
01:19:20,427 --> 01:19:22,507
Speaker 19: I am actually I'm going to get along and have

1504
01:19:22,587 --> 01:19:22,827
Speaker 19: a look.

1505
01:19:22,867 --> 01:19:25,667
Speaker 23: I've got the free date in the calendar after all

1506
01:19:25,707 --> 01:19:27,987
Speaker 23: the tennis and things, so yeah, I'm actually looking forward

1507
01:19:27,987 --> 01:19:29,787
Speaker 23: to it. I think it'll be a good game. These

1508
01:19:29,827 --> 01:19:32,587
Speaker 23: two sides. I don't think they have the capacity to

1509
01:19:33,147 --> 01:19:36,907
Speaker 23: play disciplined football and shut out the opposition, which means

1510
01:19:36,947 --> 01:19:39,707
Speaker 23: that anything can happen. I think there's players on both sides.

1511
01:19:39,747 --> 01:19:41,547
Speaker 23: And yeah, I hopefully we'll get a crowd of over

1512
01:19:41,627 --> 01:19:44,467
Speaker 23: thirty because anything over thirty thousand early out stadium, it's

1513
01:19:44,467 --> 01:19:46,747
Speaker 23: a fantastic atmosphere. So yeah, it should be a good

1514
01:19:46,827 --> 01:19:50,707
Speaker 23: night at football for over here. And yeah it's it's

1515
01:19:51,507 --> 01:19:54,627
Speaker 23: chucking along the A League without any spectacular cut through

1516
01:19:55,067 --> 01:19:58,787
Speaker 23: if you like, nothing like we've seen in Auckland this season.

1517
01:19:58,867 --> 01:20:00,787
Speaker 23: But it's kin't okayane developing players.

1518
01:20:00,827 --> 01:20:03,827
Speaker 2: So that's the ninteen good stuff grade the channels always, Adam,

1519
01:20:04,027 --> 01:20:05,307
Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of you all weekend and we'll catch

1520
01:20:05,387 --> 01:20:06,187
Speaker 2: up again next Saturday.

1521
01:20:07,227 --> 01:20:07,547
Speaker 14: You two.

1522
01:20:07,667 --> 01:20:09,507
Speaker 6: Thanks, Bonny A good one, mate.

1523
01:20:09,427 --> 01:20:13,307
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock our Australian corresponding there atti Sydney. He joins

1524
01:20:13,347 --> 01:20:16,747
Speaker 2: us around this time every Saturday afternoon eight away from

1525
01:20:16,787 --> 01:20:17,667
Speaker 2: two new stalks, hip.

1526
01:20:17,587 --> 01:20:21,547
Speaker 1: Me the Scoon from the trash Fields and the Court

1527
01:20:21,787 --> 01:20:25,067
Speaker 1: on your Home of Lord. The Weekend Sport with Jason

1528
01:20:25,147 --> 01:20:26,827
Speaker 1: vine Youth TALKSB.

1529
01:20:27,147 --> 01:20:27,707
Speaker 4: Five to two.

1530
01:20:27,747 --> 01:20:31,027
Speaker 2: Here's a bolter, says MERV for next coach of the Wallabies,

1531
01:20:31,107 --> 01:20:34,827
Speaker 2: Tony Brown. I'm sure they would love Tony Brown. They

1532
01:20:34,867 --> 01:20:37,067
Speaker 2: would love to get Tony Brown. I'm pretty sure he's

1533
01:20:37,107 --> 01:20:40,067
Speaker 2: contracted with South Africa through to the next Rugby World

1534
01:20:40,107 --> 01:20:43,187
Speaker 2: Cup and I'm pretty sure he'd stay there. We're Tony

1535
01:20:43,227 --> 01:20:44,907
Speaker 2: Brown on the show last year late last year, and

1536
01:20:45,027 --> 01:20:47,187
Speaker 2: we when he was back home for a bit, he

1537
01:20:47,267 --> 01:20:51,907
Speaker 2: seemed pretty happy in the South African set up. Yeah,

1538
01:20:52,187 --> 01:20:54,627
Speaker 2: I mean down the track maybe, but I don't think

1539
01:20:54,907 --> 01:20:57,147
Speaker 2: for this World Cup, Sitle. It's a good cycle. It's

1540
01:20:57,147 --> 01:21:00,107
Speaker 2: a good suggestion though, MERV Chop from the nak. He says,

1541
01:21:00,107 --> 01:21:03,467
Speaker 2: what about Karen Crowley and Neil Barnes, two great men

1542
01:21:03,547 --> 01:21:05,627
Speaker 2: from the Naki. They are two great men from the Naki.

1543
01:21:06,027 --> 01:21:06,267
Speaker 9: Chop.

1544
01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:09,667
Speaker 2: With Karen Crowley and Neil Barnes on a team up

1545
01:21:09,707 --> 01:21:13,667
Speaker 2: and coach Australia, they might they might. Yeah, I'm not sure.

1546
01:21:13,867 --> 01:21:17,227
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we'll find out in due course. Rugby

1547
01:21:17,227 --> 01:21:19,067
Speaker 2: Australia do have it a time up there sleeve, now,

1548
01:21:19,107 --> 01:21:22,547
Speaker 2: don't they. They know that they've got until early October

1549
01:21:22,667 --> 01:21:25,547
Speaker 2: with Joe Schmidt in the driver's seat. However, they want

1550
01:21:25,587 --> 01:21:28,787
Speaker 2: to get an appointment done, and probably I don't know.

1551
01:21:28,907 --> 01:21:31,187
Speaker 2: I would say get that person in with the Wallabies

1552
01:21:31,867 --> 01:21:36,427
Speaker 2: during the Lions tour or even the Rugby Championship as

1553
01:21:36,467 --> 01:21:39,547
Speaker 2: some sort of handover. I think that would make perfect sense,

1554
01:21:39,707 --> 01:21:42,307
Speaker 2: provided of course, that Joe Shmidt and the new person

1555
01:21:42,347 --> 01:21:45,787
Speaker 2: could work together. I'm sure they'd be able to. I'm

1556
01:21:45,827 --> 01:21:49,067
Speaker 2: sure that'd be able to. After two o'clock sale GP

1557
01:21:49,347 --> 01:21:51,947
Speaker 2: man it seems months ago we were in Auckland. There's

1558
01:21:51,947 --> 01:21:54,907
Speaker 2: only three weeks ago when sale GP Auckland took place.

1559
01:21:54,947 --> 01:21:57,547
Speaker 2: What a weekend that was. What an event. Can't wait

1560
01:21:57,627 --> 01:21:59,307
Speaker 2: for it to come back next year, and the year

1561
01:21:59,387 --> 01:22:01,867
Speaker 2: after and for many years after that. Anyway, it's in

1562
01:22:02,027 --> 01:22:04,907
Speaker 2: Sydney this weekend for the third event of the season.

1563
01:22:06,787 --> 01:22:08,587
Speaker 2: Is looking to bounce back from the disappointment of not

1564
01:22:08,627 --> 01:22:11,187
Speaker 2: even making the final on home waters. So it starts

1565
01:22:11,187 --> 01:22:15,107
Speaker 2: this afternoon at five o'clock. Leo Takahashi flight controller with

1566
01:22:15,107 --> 01:22:16,427
Speaker 2: the Black Falls right after two.

1567
01:22:17,427 --> 01:22:21,627
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1568
01:22:22,427 --> 01:22:27,307
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1569
01:22:27,467 --> 01:22:31,227
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1570
01:22:31,707 --> 01:22:32,267
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1571
01:22:32,387 --> 01:22:36,707
Speaker 2: EDB, Hello and welcome into the show. Welcome back to

1572
01:22:36,747 --> 01:22:38,707
Speaker 2: the show. This is Weekend Sport on News Talks. He'd

1573
01:22:38,747 --> 01:22:43,187
Speaker 2: be until three. I'm Jason Pine Andy McDonald alongside seven

1574
01:22:43,347 --> 01:22:48,027
Speaker 2: past two. Very shortly. We're in Sydney for Sale GP,

1575
01:22:49,027 --> 01:22:51,867
Speaker 2: the third event of the season. This off the back

1576
01:22:51,947 --> 01:22:54,747
Speaker 2: of the wonderful scenes we saw in Auckland three weeks ago.

1577
01:22:55,707 --> 01:22:57,667
Speaker 2: Wonderful scenes in terms of the event. Not so good

1578
01:22:57,747 --> 01:23:02,627
Speaker 2: for the Black Foils who didn't make the final. Eleven

1579
01:23:02,707 --> 01:23:05,427
Speaker 2: boats in the fleet top three into the final, they

1580
01:23:05,507 --> 01:23:08,227
Speaker 2: didn't make it. They were also very nearly but not quite.

1581
01:23:08,507 --> 01:23:12,547
Speaker 2: There'll be twelve boats out on Sydney Harbor this afternoon

1582
01:23:12,587 --> 01:23:15,587
Speaker 2: when action gets underweight in less than three hours five

1583
01:23:15,627 --> 01:23:18,507
Speaker 2: o'clock a start time. So the French who haven't been

1584
01:23:18,547 --> 01:23:21,107
Speaker 2: on the start line for the first two events of

1585
01:23:21,187 --> 01:23:26,267
Speaker 2: SALGP twenty twenty four to twenty five will be there

1586
01:23:26,347 --> 01:23:29,307
Speaker 2: this afternoon. As I understand it, so twelve boats out there,

1587
01:23:29,667 --> 01:23:32,827
Speaker 2: including the Black Falls as they look to reverse things.

1588
01:23:32,907 --> 01:23:36,867
Speaker 2: Of course, Tom Slingsby and Australia won salgp Auckland, So

1589
01:23:36,907 --> 01:23:39,507
Speaker 2: how much would New Zealand like to turn the tables

1590
01:23:39,547 --> 01:23:42,307
Speaker 2: and went on Australian waters Quite a bit, I would imagine.

1591
01:23:42,547 --> 01:23:47,387
Speaker 2: Leo Takahashi is the new flight controller with the Black Foils,

1592
01:23:47,427 --> 01:23:51,027
Speaker 2: taking over from Andy Maloney who's gone to the Brazilian syndicate.

1593
01:23:51,427 --> 01:23:53,707
Speaker 2: Leo Takahashi standing by the chat to us this hour,

1594
01:23:54,187 --> 01:23:56,907
Speaker 2: and we'll also talk pre season. We've talked about of

1595
01:23:56,947 --> 01:23:59,507
Speaker 2: rugby today, but there's in a bit of rugby league.

1596
01:23:59,547 --> 01:24:03,027
Speaker 2: But those seasons are almost here, the Super Rugby season,

1597
01:24:03,107 --> 01:24:07,747
Speaker 2: the NRL season, the AFL season. So in general, what

1598
01:24:07,907 --> 01:24:12,827
Speaker 2: are the general principles that contribute towards the best possible

1599
01:24:13,267 --> 01:24:17,107
Speaker 2: pre season you can have? Our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith

1600
01:24:17,587 --> 01:24:19,307
Speaker 2: joins us on. That will also get you back to

1601
01:24:19,387 --> 01:24:22,307
Speaker 2: the Coast to coast with Brian Ashby tracking the progress

1602
01:24:22,667 --> 01:24:26,387
Speaker 2: of the Longest Day competitors as they head towards New

1603
01:24:26,467 --> 01:24:31,267
Speaker 2: Brighton Beach. What an event. This is just incredible, Huge

1604
01:24:31,347 --> 01:24:34,747
Speaker 2: kudos to anybody who gets involved in this. From an

1605
01:24:34,787 --> 01:24:37,547
Speaker 2: elite point of view, or just a participation point of view.

1606
01:24:37,667 --> 01:24:40,227
Speaker 2: The hours and hours of commitment it must take. Do

1607
01:24:40,307 --> 01:24:41,347
Speaker 2: we even get ready for?

1608
01:24:41,507 --> 01:24:41,547
Speaker 13: It?

1609
01:24:42,027 --> 01:24:44,987
Speaker 2: Would be something that I think is beyond many of us.

1610
01:24:48,347 --> 01:24:50,947
Speaker 2: Why can I Why can I hear music that's coming

1611
01:24:50,947 --> 01:24:55,227
Speaker 2: out of my phone? I could hear a bit of radio.

1612
01:24:57,987 --> 01:25:01,147
Speaker 2: I could hear some Peter Satra in Chicago?

1613
01:25:01,667 --> 01:25:02,587
Speaker 4: Is that coming from?

1614
01:25:02,667 --> 01:25:05,787
Speaker 2: And me and the producers booth thinking I'm playing something.

1615
01:25:06,507 --> 01:25:09,267
Speaker 24: Godness, it is emmate to our stuff from. We're going

1616
01:25:09,347 --> 01:25:11,507
Speaker 24: to be number ten on the power rankings. At this rate,

1617
01:25:11,747 --> 01:25:15,427
Speaker 24: hi will be chief as net might even be quite high. Well,

1618
01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:19,387
Speaker 24: let's play some music of a different sort. The backing

1619
01:25:19,627 --> 01:25:24,427
Speaker 24: track there, it is the backing track for in case

1620
01:25:24,467 --> 01:25:26,667
Speaker 24: you missed it. This is where we catch you up

1621
01:25:26,707 --> 01:25:28,507
Speaker 24: with things that you may well have missed.

1622
01:25:29,027 --> 01:25:31,547
Speaker 2: A league football last night and the means our horror

1623
01:25:31,587 --> 01:25:36,947
Speaker 2: show unfortunately for all Whites. Goalkeeper Olie Sail in Golfer

1624
01:25:37,027 --> 01:25:39,787
Speaker 2: Perth Glory. It's all his side and the mari and

1625
01:25:39,827 --> 01:25:41,107
Speaker 2: his share the points out west.

1626
01:25:41,427 --> 01:25:43,027
Speaker 4: You got to take it when it goes your way.

1627
01:25:43,187 --> 01:25:43,987
Speaker 4: Is he's a strike?

1628
01:25:44,587 --> 01:25:46,267
Speaker 10: Oh whatt you believe it?

1629
01:25:47,587 --> 01:25:51,987
Speaker 11: He's been so good tonight, Sail and he's been left

1630
01:25:52,227 --> 01:25:53,027
Speaker 11: red faced.

1631
01:25:53,787 --> 01:25:55,027
Speaker 4: It's a horror moment.

1632
01:25:56,507 --> 01:25:59,187
Speaker 11: He will want the ground to swallow him up and

1633
01:25:59,307 --> 01:26:01,107
Speaker 11: the Mariners up back level.

1634
01:26:01,267 --> 01:26:01,467
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1635
01:26:01,547 --> 01:26:04,507
Speaker 2: Shot from outside the box which should have been comfortably

1636
01:26:04,587 --> 01:26:08,627
Speaker 2: dealt with, but wasn't. Unfortunate by Ollie Sail won all

1637
01:26:08,707 --> 01:26:11,387
Speaker 2: between his Perth glory and the Mariners and an Ahlaide

1638
01:26:11,867 --> 01:26:15,067
Speaker 2: have stayed within touching distance of Auckland's FC at the top.

1639
01:26:15,427 --> 01:26:17,427
Speaker 2: A home win over Melbourne City comes.

1640
01:26:17,467 --> 01:26:19,907
Speaker 10: Oh, that's a great header. Held the girl.

1641
01:26:21,547 --> 01:26:23,547
Speaker 3: Well, he got the light headed, took them up way night,

1642
01:26:24,987 --> 01:26:26,827
Speaker 3: but on the end of the six yard box hy

1643
01:26:26,947 --> 01:26:29,507
Speaker 3: night aren't a good one strikes again.

1644
01:26:31,107 --> 01:26:31,587
Speaker 5: It's been the.

1645
01:26:31,667 --> 01:26:34,467
Speaker 6: Brightest time to the second half from Adelaide.

1646
01:26:34,387 --> 01:26:37,987
Speaker 2: In Sri Lanka, unbeaten test centuries for Steve Smith.

1647
01:26:38,787 --> 01:26:42,467
Speaker 25: He pulls hard, gets plenty of it and it rushes

1648
01:26:42,507 --> 01:26:43,547
Speaker 25: away before.

1649
01:26:45,547 --> 01:26:47,267
Speaker 5: A thirty six test.

1650
01:26:47,067 --> 01:26:51,107
Speaker 2: One hundred and Alex carey, you've shot again.

1651
01:26:51,507 --> 01:26:52,147
Speaker 13: It is in the gap.

1652
01:26:52,227 --> 01:26:54,867
Speaker 25: Layer comanded to say saying, and he's goes to a Boulderie,

1653
01:26:55,387 --> 01:26:58,667
Speaker 25: Alex carry with us if you've shot his favorite stroke

1654
01:26:58,707 --> 01:27:00,187
Speaker 25: brings up his second hundred.

1655
01:27:00,307 --> 01:27:02,747
Speaker 2: Here they've put Australa in the box seat of their

1656
01:27:02,787 --> 01:27:05,587
Speaker 2: second Test against Sri Lanka carry one hundred and thirty

1657
01:27:05,707 --> 01:27:09,347
Speaker 2: nine not out Steve Smith unbeaten on one hundred and

1658
01:27:09,667 --> 01:27:13,907
Speaker 2: twenty and Australia after two days three hundred and thirty

1659
01:27:13,947 --> 01:27:17,147
Speaker 2: for three. They lead by seventy three runs with seven

1660
01:27:17,507 --> 01:27:20,907
Speaker 2: first innings wickets still in hand. To the Phoenix open

1661
01:27:20,987 --> 01:27:23,507
Speaker 2: a hole in one at the party hole the sixteenth

1662
01:27:23,667 --> 01:27:25,147
Speaker 2: for Emiliano Grio.

1663
01:27:25,387 --> 01:27:26,027
Speaker 4: Who else sat?

1664
01:27:26,107 --> 01:27:37,347
Speaker 10: Note, oh god, I did just do that? A slammed.

1665
01:27:39,427 --> 01:27:42,067
Speaker 2: And nothing could split the Warriors and the Sharks in

1666
01:27:42,187 --> 01:27:46,627
Speaker 2: their first preseason NRL hit out of twenty twenty five.

1667
01:27:46,627 --> 01:27:48,507
Speaker 4: Crowd the most fatal it's been tonight.

1668
01:27:49,267 --> 01:27:51,747
Speaker 2: Pedrol go first side and run his barn as a hole,

1669
01:27:52,747 --> 01:27:54,187
Speaker 2: rolled it over the sideline.

1670
01:27:55,227 --> 01:27:58,667
Speaker 4: The bench is all up. It's a wild day of

1671
01:27:58,787 --> 01:27:59,507
Speaker 4: musical chairs.

1672
01:28:00,147 --> 01:28:04,987
Speaker 16: The full type siding sounds, Sharks and Warriors.

1673
01:28:06,667 --> 01:28:08,467
Speaker 4: Roll bull school line here.

1674
01:28:08,987 --> 01:28:11,227
Speaker 10: When it's down to the line. You made a call.

1675
01:28:11,427 --> 01:28:16,587
Speaker 10: On eight eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks.

1676
01:28:16,387 --> 01:28:20,307
Speaker 2: MV coming up to thirteen sale GP. He hit Sydney

1677
01:28:20,307 --> 01:28:22,627
Speaker 2: Harbor this weekend for the third event of the season,

1678
01:28:22,707 --> 01:28:26,627
Speaker 2: Fleet racing, involving all twelve boats today from five and

1679
01:28:26,707 --> 01:28:30,227
Speaker 2: again tomorrow, followed by the three boat final. This is

1680
01:28:30,307 --> 01:28:33,427
Speaker 2: the first event since sale GP Auckland three weeks ago.

1681
01:28:33,867 --> 01:28:35,867
Speaker 4: Here we go, I'm gonna get to do it in

1682
01:28:35,947 --> 01:28:37,547
Speaker 4: front of the Kiwi fans.

1683
01:28:39,427 --> 01:28:43,427
Speaker 26: And the Emirates fly time eighty two percent for Tom

1684
01:28:43,547 --> 01:28:46,827
Speaker 26: Slingsby and the Flying Ruse. As they bring it home

1685
01:28:46,987 --> 01:28:49,827
Speaker 26: and there's the finish line, the sold out crowd will

1686
01:28:49,907 --> 01:28:52,547
Speaker 26: bring them home. They'd rather see black balls, but they're

1687
01:28:52,547 --> 01:28:55,467
Speaker 26: gonna see green and cold as they come to the line.

1688
01:28:55,747 --> 01:28:58,147
Speaker 26: The Emirates wity moment goes the way of the.

1689
01:28:58,187 --> 01:29:02,187
Speaker 2: Australians, Yes it does so. After two events, Great Britain

1690
01:29:02,267 --> 01:29:05,787
Speaker 2: and New Zealand tied on seventeen points, with Australia's winning

1691
01:29:05,827 --> 01:29:09,267
Speaker 2: Auckland taking them up to third equal place with Spain.

1692
01:29:09,667 --> 01:29:12,267
Speaker 2: Those two are just one point behind Great Britain and

1693
01:29:12,387 --> 01:29:15,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand, so tight at the top after two events,

1694
01:29:15,187 --> 01:29:17,907
Speaker 2: but still a long long way to go. Black Foils

1695
01:29:17,947 --> 01:29:21,147
Speaker 2: flight controller Leo Tucker actually joins us out of Sydney.

1696
01:29:21,427 --> 01:29:23,827
Speaker 2: Leo before we talk about this weekend and what we

1697
01:29:23,907 --> 01:29:26,147
Speaker 2: can expect on Sydney Harbor. How do you reflect back

1698
01:29:26,267 --> 01:29:28,427
Speaker 2: on the Auckland event three weeks ago?

1699
01:29:29,387 --> 01:29:30,627
Speaker 18: Yeah, it was an awesome event.

1700
01:29:31,467 --> 01:29:33,747
Speaker 27: I think, you know, for everyone that came and watched

1701
01:29:33,827 --> 01:29:36,187
Speaker 27: and supported, they could definitely say it was a very

1702
01:29:36,347 --> 01:29:40,707
Speaker 27: iconic event and another event hopefully that it can be

1703
01:29:40,787 --> 01:29:42,627
Speaker 27: held every year in Auckland.

1704
01:29:42,827 --> 01:29:46,627
Speaker 2: What about the Black Foil's efforts there, Leo not making

1705
01:29:46,707 --> 01:29:48,787
Speaker 2: the final, which I know was a disappointment. How do

1706
01:29:48,827 --> 01:29:50,627
Speaker 2: you reflect on the weekend on the water?

1707
01:29:51,707 --> 01:29:54,027
Speaker 27: Yeah, I think there were definitely some points in our

1708
01:29:54,987 --> 01:29:58,267
Speaker 27: game that definitely went up to standard during the weekend,

1709
01:29:58,347 --> 01:30:00,467
Speaker 27: and I think, you know, we've kind of definitely regrouped

1710
01:30:00,507 --> 01:30:03,427
Speaker 27: and made some solid plans to attack it in Sydney

1711
01:30:03,507 --> 01:30:04,067
Speaker 27: this weekend.

1712
01:30:04,627 --> 01:30:07,067
Speaker 18: But yeah, we definitely saved the weekend.

1713
01:30:07,107 --> 01:30:10,267
Speaker 27: To be honest, we were started in very weak positions

1714
01:30:10,307 --> 01:30:12,147
Speaker 27: and then we kind of you know, showed that we

1715
01:30:12,187 --> 01:30:14,547
Speaker 27: can make it through back through the fleet and and yeah,

1716
01:30:14,547 --> 01:30:16,347
Speaker 27: I think, you know, it was a very frustrating result,

1717
01:30:16,427 --> 01:30:18,507
Speaker 27: but I think, yeah, we sailed very well in terms

1718
01:30:18,507 --> 01:30:22,147
Speaker 27: of saving the weekend and getting those important points in

1719
01:30:22,227 --> 01:30:22,907
Speaker 27: the championship.

1720
01:30:23,107 --> 01:30:26,827
Speaker 2: Peter Berling talked afterwards about some equipment problems which hampered

1721
01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:29,747
Speaker 2: you across the weekend, particularly on the second day. Can

1722
01:30:29,827 --> 01:30:31,747
Speaker 2: you unpack that first? Tell us a bit more about

1723
01:30:31,747 --> 01:30:33,587
Speaker 2: the equipment problems you had.

1724
01:30:34,187 --> 01:30:35,907
Speaker 27: Yeah, I think it's just, you know, one of those

1725
01:30:35,947 --> 01:30:38,507
Speaker 27: things where there's so much tech on these boats, so

1726
01:30:39,067 --> 01:30:42,147
Speaker 27: you can have fails here and there. And on this

1727
01:30:42,707 --> 01:30:44,707
Speaker 27: particular day we were there was a lot of water

1728
01:30:44,787 --> 01:30:48,307
Speaker 27: spraying and flying around just with how windy the conditions were.

1729
01:30:48,427 --> 01:30:50,987
Speaker 27: So there was a couple of issues with the wing,

1730
01:30:51,907 --> 01:30:53,747
Speaker 27: you know, the big big wing on the on the boat,

1731
01:30:53,827 --> 01:30:57,387
Speaker 27: and some buttons that weren't you know, working as they

1732
01:30:57,387 --> 01:30:59,907
Speaker 27: should be. So you know, Blair was kind of troubleshooting

1733
01:30:59,947 --> 01:31:02,987
Speaker 27: those and you know, it's when your equipment's not working

1734
01:31:02,987 --> 01:31:04,867
Speaker 27: one hundred percent, you can't trust it. It's it is

1735
01:31:04,947 --> 01:31:08,347
Speaker 27: frustrating and quite scary in those conditions. So I think

1736
01:31:08,387 --> 01:31:11,067
Speaker 27: we did well to kind of get it fixed on time,

1737
01:31:11,227 --> 01:31:13,747
Speaker 27: and and yeah, it kind of, you know, definitely made

1738
01:31:13,787 --> 01:31:16,587
Speaker 27: a little impact on how the structure of the day went.

1739
01:31:16,707 --> 01:31:19,067
Speaker 27: But yeah, I think, you know, it's with iron those

1740
01:31:19,107 --> 01:31:21,707
Speaker 27: issues out with the with the league and make sure

1741
01:31:21,747 --> 01:31:23,907
Speaker 27: that we can kind of bounce back when we get

1742
01:31:23,947 --> 01:31:26,507
Speaker 27: situations like that, and and it's I think it's definitely

1743
01:31:26,587 --> 01:31:27,067
Speaker 27: for the better.

1744
01:31:27,747 --> 01:31:30,147
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier about a couple of the starts which

1745
01:31:30,267 --> 01:31:32,227
Speaker 2: I know didn't work out the way you would have hoped.

1746
01:31:32,267 --> 01:31:34,787
Speaker 2: You didn't get yourself into the best possible position for

1747
01:31:34,907 --> 01:31:36,707
Speaker 2: the start of a couple of the races. Have the

1748
01:31:36,787 --> 01:31:39,707
Speaker 2: starts been a focus for you ahead of the Sydney event?

1749
01:31:40,587 --> 01:31:44,947
Speaker 27: Yeah, I mean the start is an ever changing, dynamic procedure.

1750
01:31:44,987 --> 01:31:48,347
Speaker 27: You know, every venue is different, and in this on

1751
01:31:48,507 --> 01:31:50,867
Speaker 27: the in the Auckland there was lots of title flow,

1752
01:31:51,347 --> 01:31:54,667
Speaker 27: a tight course, So yeah, there's a there's a there's

1753
01:31:54,707 --> 01:31:58,347
Speaker 27: a strategy and and Pete live and and the coach

1754
01:31:58,787 --> 01:32:01,067
Speaker 27: Sam Meach does a really good job of coming up

1755
01:32:01,067 --> 01:32:03,067
Speaker 27: with a strategy and it's our job.

1756
01:32:02,947 --> 01:32:03,747
Speaker 18: To execute it well.

1757
01:32:03,787 --> 01:32:06,107
Speaker 27: And yeah, we we just would on the back foot

1758
01:32:06,107 --> 01:32:10,627
Speaker 27: and sense And there's definitely Sydney is a very iconic venue.

1759
01:32:10,627 --> 01:32:13,387
Speaker 27: There's an island right in the middle of the race course,

1760
01:32:13,467 --> 01:32:15,947
Speaker 27: there's it's a big harbor, and there's a lot of

1761
01:32:15,987 --> 01:32:18,947
Speaker 27: traffic as well, So we could potentially have a similar

1762
01:32:19,027 --> 01:32:20,787
Speaker 27: kind of strategy, but I think, yeah, we just have

1763
01:32:20,867 --> 01:32:21,387
Speaker 27: to refine it.

1764
01:32:21,467 --> 01:32:23,547
Speaker 18: And now there's twelve votes in the start line, so

1765
01:32:23,987 --> 01:32:24,427
Speaker 18: it's going.

1766
01:32:24,347 --> 01:32:26,307
Speaker 27: To be very dynamic and we just have to be

1767
01:32:26,667 --> 01:32:29,547
Speaker 27: you know, accurate and make sure that we're on the

1768
01:32:29,587 --> 01:32:31,907
Speaker 27: front foot because the start is just so important.

1769
01:32:32,267 --> 01:32:33,787
Speaker 2: There was a lot of talk ahead of the Auckland

1770
01:32:33,787 --> 01:32:37,627
Speaker 2: event and during the event about the tfoils, the new

1771
01:32:37,747 --> 01:32:40,507
Speaker 2: titanium falls used for the first time in Auckland. Did

1772
01:32:40,547 --> 01:32:42,187
Speaker 2: you start to get the hang of them? Have you

1773
01:32:42,267 --> 01:32:43,907
Speaker 2: got the hang of them? Or will that be very

1774
01:32:43,987 --> 01:32:44,987
Speaker 2: much your work in progress?

1775
01:32:45,707 --> 01:32:48,707
Speaker 27: Yeah, I think it's with anything with development in a

1776
01:32:48,787 --> 01:32:53,507
Speaker 27: class and a boat, and you know, these high technology

1777
01:32:53,627 --> 01:32:55,347
Speaker 27: is going to be a lot of rapid improvement.

1778
01:32:55,467 --> 01:32:58,147
Speaker 18: So yeah, I mean we've we've kind of reviewed everything

1779
01:32:58,187 --> 01:32:59,027
Speaker 18: in Sydney.

1780
01:32:58,747 --> 01:33:02,307
Speaker 27: From definitely haven't We've definitely put a lot of work

1781
01:33:02,347 --> 01:33:05,667
Speaker 27: into reviewing Sydney and whether that's the start to the tfoils,

1782
01:33:05,667 --> 01:33:06,787
Speaker 27: all the way were you sell.

1783
01:33:06,707 --> 01:33:07,987
Speaker 18: The boat and communicate on the boat.

1784
01:33:07,987 --> 01:33:11,067
Speaker 27: We've looked at every little aspect and yeah, we've made

1785
01:33:11,147 --> 01:33:14,347
Speaker 27: some big changes. So nothing too crazy, but I think, yeah,

1786
01:33:14,347 --> 01:33:18,227
Speaker 27: the T flails will be a big point between all

1787
01:33:18,267 --> 01:33:20,627
Speaker 27: the teams again for at least you know, half halfway

1788
01:33:20,667 --> 01:33:21,187
Speaker 27: through the season.

1789
01:33:21,427 --> 01:33:23,987
Speaker 2: And as fly controller, obviously a lot of what you

1790
01:33:24,147 --> 01:33:26,147
Speaker 2: do is based on getting up on the foils and

1791
01:33:27,067 --> 01:33:30,027
Speaker 2: sailing effectively. Once you're up there, did you notice the difference.

1792
01:33:30,067 --> 01:33:32,507
Speaker 2: Could you tell the difference between the T foils and

1793
01:33:32,747 --> 01:33:35,467
Speaker 2: and the L foils which you were using previously.

1794
01:33:36,227 --> 01:33:39,587
Speaker 27: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. These these falls are really high aspect.

1795
01:33:39,867 --> 01:33:46,187
Speaker 27: They made a titanium, they're developed to go faster, so

1796
01:33:46,627 --> 01:33:49,347
Speaker 27: that adds another new challenge as a flight controller. You're

1797
01:33:49,387 --> 01:33:51,667
Speaker 27: going faster speeds and when it could go wrong, it

1798
01:33:51,707 --> 01:33:53,667
Speaker 27: could go wrong, and you know, Orcland was a very

1799
01:33:53,707 --> 01:33:55,787
Speaker 27: spicy event in that sense, there was a lot of

1800
01:33:55,827 --> 01:33:59,467
Speaker 27: crashes and these boats are on the limit. So Sydney's

1801
01:33:59,587 --> 01:34:01,987
Speaker 27: definitely one of those events where the wind could come

1802
01:34:02,067 --> 01:34:03,987
Speaker 27: up and it could be really windy and challenging. So

1803
01:34:04,507 --> 01:34:06,827
Speaker 27: I think, yeah, Orkham was a good all much for that,

1804
01:34:06,987 --> 01:34:08,947
Speaker 27: and I think we have to be ready for anything.

1805
01:34:09,027 --> 01:34:11,867
Speaker 27: Sydney's it could be nice and sunny, or it could

1806
01:34:11,867 --> 01:34:15,267
Speaker 27: be windy and a couple of clouds and thunderstorms as well.

1807
01:34:15,387 --> 01:34:16,987
Speaker 18: So I think we're going to be ready for anything.

1808
01:34:17,067 --> 01:34:20,307
Speaker 27: And these t fours, with all these new added controls

1809
01:34:20,387 --> 01:34:23,867
Speaker 27: and higher speeds and just new to everyone, I think

1810
01:34:23,907 --> 01:34:26,627
Speaker 27: it's still going to be a pretty pretty big challenge

1811
01:34:26,667 --> 01:34:29,067
Speaker 27: for the flight controllers and for all the teams.

1812
01:34:29,387 --> 01:34:32,267
Speaker 2: So we saw eleven teams out there in Auckland. Unfortunately

1813
01:34:32,307 --> 01:34:34,067
Speaker 2: France didn't make it to the start line, but they

1814
01:34:34,107 --> 01:34:35,107
Speaker 2: will be there in Sydney.

1815
01:34:35,147 --> 01:34:35,827
Speaker 4: All going well.

1816
01:34:35,987 --> 01:34:39,267
Speaker 2: So twelve boats on the race course eleven was a

1817
01:34:39,347 --> 01:34:42,627
Speaker 2: lot in Auckland, particularly on the tight race course up there.

1818
01:34:43,187 --> 01:34:45,787
Speaker 2: How will we go with twelve leo And what is

1819
01:34:45,867 --> 01:34:48,107
Speaker 2: that like in the heat of the battle when pretty

1820
01:34:48,147 --> 01:34:50,387
Speaker 2: much ever where you look there's a boat on this course.

1821
01:34:51,147 --> 01:34:54,747
Speaker 27: Yeah, no, it's hectic and it's I mean what you say, Yeah,

1822
01:34:54,747 --> 01:34:57,507
Speaker 27: whatever run saw in Auckland, it's it's definitely as hard

1823
01:34:57,547 --> 01:34:58,027
Speaker 27: as it locks.

1824
01:34:58,107 --> 01:35:00,947
Speaker 18: And yeah, with another boat, it's going to be tricky as.

1825
01:35:00,827 --> 01:35:05,067
Speaker 27: Another boats keep high awareness of and the guys and

1826
01:35:05,627 --> 01:35:08,707
Speaker 27: lived as a really good job of her job and

1827
01:35:08,827 --> 01:35:11,627
Speaker 27: Pete's job is to keep awareness of all the boats

1828
01:35:11,627 --> 01:35:13,947
Speaker 27: and where they're replaced, and their job to kind of

1829
01:35:14,427 --> 01:35:16,467
Speaker 27: jigsaw our way in through and make sure that we,

1830
01:35:17,267 --> 01:35:20,347
Speaker 27: you know, go through the fleet well and start well. So, yeah,

1831
01:35:20,347 --> 01:35:22,107
Speaker 27: they're definitely going to have their hands full with another

1832
01:35:22,147 --> 01:35:25,067
Speaker 27: boat in the mix. And for the rest of us

1833
01:35:25,107 --> 01:35:28,707
Speaker 27: on board, it's all about getting the boat flying and

1834
01:35:29,347 --> 01:35:31,787
Speaker 27: going fast through the water so those guys can put the.

1835
01:35:31,747 --> 01:35:33,547
Speaker 18: Boat in a really good position for us to succeed.

1836
01:35:33,987 --> 01:35:36,347
Speaker 2: And you're new to the Black Foils of course this season,

1837
01:35:36,467 --> 01:35:38,347
Speaker 2: taking the place of Andy Maloney. So how has that

1838
01:35:38,547 --> 01:35:42,307
Speaker 2: integration gone for yourself into the team. Are you enjoying

1839
01:35:42,467 --> 01:35:43,587
Speaker 2: being a part of the Black Falls.

1840
01:35:44,267 --> 01:35:46,387
Speaker 18: Yeah, no, I love it. It feels like home.

1841
01:35:47,587 --> 01:35:51,187
Speaker 27: Yeah, everyone's just been so kind and so supportive of

1842
01:35:51,307 --> 01:35:52,587
Speaker 27: the move and the signing.

1843
01:35:52,667 --> 01:35:54,467
Speaker 18: So yeah, it's a really cool team to be part of.

1844
01:35:54,627 --> 01:35:56,627
Speaker 27: And yeah, like I said, it feels like home and

1845
01:35:56,707 --> 01:35:59,307
Speaker 27: the culture is just like what I'm used to being

1846
01:35:59,307 --> 01:35:59,947
Speaker 27: in New Zealander.

1847
01:36:00,027 --> 01:36:00,987
Speaker 4: So no, I love it.

1848
01:36:01,107 --> 01:36:03,667
Speaker 18: And yeah, I'm just really looking forward to to Sydney.

1849
01:36:03,747 --> 01:36:06,507
Speaker 27: It's definitely one of my favorite events, just with you know,

1850
01:36:07,027 --> 01:36:09,227
Speaker 27: the birthplace of sal Dup where it all began, and

1851
01:36:09,307 --> 01:36:11,987
Speaker 27: then you know I've done for sour GPS here with

1852
01:36:12,467 --> 01:36:15,427
Speaker 27: Japan and the US and now with the Black Force,

1853
01:36:15,547 --> 01:36:18,547
Speaker 27: so definitely holds a special place in my heart. So yeah,

1854
01:36:18,587 --> 01:36:20,147
Speaker 27: looking forward to getting going.

1855
01:36:20,347 --> 01:36:23,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's finish on this weekend's event. Australia of

1856
01:36:23,307 --> 01:36:26,507
Speaker 2: course won the Auckland event, they won your home event,

1857
01:36:26,587 --> 01:36:28,587
Speaker 2: So how keen are you to reverse that in Sydney.

1858
01:36:29,307 --> 01:36:31,707
Speaker 27: Yeah, Well, I mean it's nothing you know there was

1859
01:36:31,747 --> 01:36:36,227
Speaker 27: always a good trend Tasman rivalry there, and yeah, like

1860
01:36:36,587 --> 01:36:39,387
Speaker 27: I really want to just you know, just just start well,

1861
01:36:39,907 --> 01:36:42,027
Speaker 27: get the boat going well here and as my job

1862
01:36:42,067 --> 01:36:43,707
Speaker 27: as a flight controler, just fly the boat really well.

1863
01:36:43,747 --> 01:36:45,467
Speaker 18: It's just the team can.

1864
01:36:47,107 --> 01:36:48,907
Speaker 27: Use that to kind of place the boat really well

1865
01:36:48,947 --> 01:36:50,307
Speaker 27: and in a good position.

1866
01:36:50,427 --> 01:36:51,667
Speaker 18: So it's all I can really do.

1867
01:36:51,867 --> 01:36:53,787
Speaker 27: But yeah, there's always going to be a rivalry there

1868
01:36:53,827 --> 01:36:56,187
Speaker 27: and through it through my ears when I was with Japan,

1869
01:36:56,267 --> 01:36:59,107
Speaker 27: the Hossies were always beating us, and then now it

1870
01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:03,147
Speaker 27: was really cool opportunity to for us to come over

1871
01:37:03,147 --> 01:37:05,987
Speaker 27: to Sydney and beat them on their home turf. As

1872
01:37:05,987 --> 01:37:08,827
Speaker 27: a great opportunity to make statement. So I think we're

1873
01:37:08,827 --> 01:37:10,787
Speaker 27: all really excited to get the job done here.

1874
01:37:10,907 --> 01:37:13,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're excited to watch Leo. Thanks for joining

1875
01:37:13,187 --> 01:37:16,587
Speaker 2: us on race day or Race one day. All the

1876
01:37:16,667 --> 01:37:20,027
Speaker 2: best on Sydney Harbor this afternoon, Leo Takahashi. There the

1877
01:37:20,067 --> 01:37:23,787
Speaker 2: flight controller for the Black Foil. So race times three

1878
01:37:23,787 --> 01:37:26,027
Speaker 2: o'clock local time over there, so five o'clock for us,

1879
01:37:26,307 --> 01:37:30,067
Speaker 2: So between five and six thirty there's that ninety minute

1880
01:37:30,147 --> 01:37:34,227
Speaker 2: race window. Same again tomorrow. And you might remember in Auckland.

1881
01:37:34,427 --> 01:37:37,907
Speaker 2: The fact that the race course was so was smaller

1882
01:37:37,987 --> 01:37:40,227
Speaker 2: than some of the others and conditions were good meant

1883
01:37:40,267 --> 01:37:42,987
Speaker 2: that they got four races and on day one, and

1884
01:37:43,067 --> 01:37:45,707
Speaker 2: then a further three fleet races and a final on

1885
01:37:46,307 --> 01:37:48,427
Speaker 2: day two, so eight races for the price of what

1886
01:37:48,467 --> 01:37:51,747
Speaker 2: would normally be six in Auckland. Whether they get the

1887
01:37:51,747 --> 01:37:53,947
Speaker 2: opportunity to do that this afternoon, we wait to see.

1888
01:37:53,987 --> 01:37:58,947
Speaker 2: There'll be at least three conditions obviously permitting between three

1889
01:37:58,987 --> 01:38:01,907
Speaker 2: and four thirty this afternoon, and then more fleet racing

1890
01:38:01,947 --> 01:38:04,907
Speaker 2: in the final tomorrow on Sydney Harbor. Will keep you

1891
01:38:04,987 --> 01:38:08,067
Speaker 2: right up to day across the afternoon and into the

1892
01:38:08,147 --> 01:38:12,187
Speaker 2: evening and again tomorrow as sal gp hits Sydney. Updating

1893
01:38:12,227 --> 01:38:14,667
Speaker 2: some other live sport for you. Mowana Pacifica and the

1894
01:38:14,787 --> 01:38:18,667
Speaker 2: Chiefs involved in their final preseason rugby game before the

1895
01:38:18,747 --> 01:38:21,707
Speaker 2: season proper starts next weekend. This one's in Pooka Coe.

1896
01:38:22,547 --> 01:38:25,267
Speaker 2: What are we about? Twenty one twenty two minutes in

1897
01:38:26,187 --> 01:38:29,667
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs lead at seven nil, so pretty low

1898
01:38:29,747 --> 01:38:32,747
Speaker 2: scoring in the first half of the first half. They're

1899
01:38:32,787 --> 01:38:36,667
Speaker 2: the Chiefs seven mill ahead of Mowana Pacifica and in

1900
01:38:36,707 --> 01:38:39,187
Speaker 2: the Halle Burton Johnston Shield. This of course is the

1901
01:38:39,227 --> 01:38:43,507
Speaker 2: women's fifty over domestic competition at the Basemin Reserve, Canterbury

1902
01:38:43,547 --> 01:38:45,547
Speaker 2: have started their chase for one hundred and forty two

1903
01:38:45,587 --> 01:38:47,987
Speaker 2: to beat Wellington. They're thirteen without loss. In the fifth

1904
01:38:48,027 --> 01:38:51,587
Speaker 2: over otago at Eden Park's Outer Oval have started in

1905
01:38:51,627 --> 01:38:54,907
Speaker 2: their chase for one eighty seven to beat the Auckland Hearts.

1906
01:38:54,947 --> 01:38:56,947
Speaker 2: They are twelve without loss after the first over, so

1907
01:38:57,107 --> 01:39:00,707
Speaker 2: fast start there. And we're between innings at Poocker Courda

1908
01:39:00,787 --> 01:39:03,227
Speaker 2: Park in New Plymouth where the Central Hindes have posted

1909
01:39:03,227 --> 01:39:06,067
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy two in their innings. The Northern

1910
01:39:06,107 --> 01:39:08,347
Speaker 2: Districks women about to come out in their chase for

1911
01:39:08,387 --> 01:39:12,587
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy three to win that one coming

1912
01:39:12,667 --> 01:39:14,867
Speaker 2: up twenty four minutes past two. We'll take a break

1913
01:39:14,907 --> 01:39:19,187
Speaker 2: and then get some advice from our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith.

1914
01:39:19,307 --> 01:39:22,307
Speaker 2: With so many teams and so many competitions in their

1915
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Speaker 2: preseason mode at the moment, what is the most effective

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Speaker 2: means of ensuring that your preseason is a good one.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk preseason campaigns, goods and bads, dos and don'ts

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Speaker 2: with Wayne Goldsmith when we come back.

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Speaker 2: News Dogs, V News Talks V and Weekend Sport. It's

1923
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Speaker 2: that time of the year when Super Rugby preseason hits

1924
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Speaker 2: its final stages. The season, of course, starts next weekend

1925
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Speaker 2: or on Friday. Actually, NRL and AFL teams getting ready

1926
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Speaker 2: for the start of their respective seasons in early March.

1927
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Speaker 2: So what's the best recipe for a successful preseason campaign.

1928
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith for the

1929
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Speaker 2: inside on this. Wain't always good to chat you, thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us. As always in general terms, how soon

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Speaker 2: before a professional season starts should preseason ideally begin?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's funny and always great to chat to you too,

1933
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Speaker 13: my friend, that this is a really favorite topic of mind. Look,

1934
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Speaker 13: we know that in the AFL and the NRL, for example,

1935
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Speaker 13: the teams who don't make the final series, they're already

1936
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Speaker 13: back in training while the final series is going on.

1937
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Speaker 13: That's how it really is a year round commitment at

1938
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Speaker 13: that level. If you're talking junior codes a little bit

1939
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Speaker 13: different though. I'm a big believer you've got to have

1940
01:40:56,227 --> 01:41:00,267
Speaker 13: seasonal sport, and I know that's not trendy or comfortable

1941
01:41:00,307 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 13: with a lot of the codes. Who wants you to

1942
01:41:01,907 --> 01:41:05,147
Speaker 13: play year round soccer or year round cricket or the

1943
01:41:05,267 --> 01:41:07,907
Speaker 13: year round rugby. I'm a big believer for kids in

1944
01:41:08,147 --> 01:41:11,227
Speaker 13: junior codes that they've got to have an off season,

1945
01:41:11,387 --> 01:41:15,027
Speaker 13: even if the off season is playing another sport, getting

1946
01:41:15,067 --> 01:41:18,227
Speaker 13: on their mountain, biking, having some fun, or just chilling

1947
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Speaker 13: out with their friends. So there's a big difference between

1948
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Speaker 13: preseason for the pros and preseason for the juniors and

1949
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Speaker 13: the kids. But it would be fair to say that

1950
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Speaker 13: for the pros it is genuinely a year round commitment now.

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Speaker 2: But surely in a contact sport like rugby league, like AFL,

1952
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Speaker 2: like rugby union, the there's the need to rest, to refresh,

1953
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Speaker 2: to recover, to have some time away from the game,

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Speaker 2: isn't there?

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Speaker 13: Well, there is, and there's other applications two pinety like,

1956
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Speaker 13: for example, very very common that the surgical wards of Sydney, Melbourne,

1957
01:41:56,947 --> 01:42:00,467
Speaker 13: Brisbane and all the major capitals are full of rugby,

1958
01:42:00,667 --> 01:42:04,787
Speaker 13: Rugby League and AFL players on the Monday morning after

1959
01:42:04,907 --> 01:42:07,827
Speaker 13: their last game. Of course, if I'm the head coach.

1960
01:42:08,507 --> 01:42:11,867
Speaker 13: I want my players to get their surgeries done so

1961
01:42:11,987 --> 01:42:14,347
Speaker 13: they're trimming their shoulder or the knee of whatever they

1962
01:42:14,427 --> 01:42:17,827
Speaker 13: have to have done. I want those minor injuries fixed

1963
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Speaker 13: as soon as possible to give us maximum possible lead

1964
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Speaker 13: in for doing rehab and having them ready to come

1965
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Speaker 13: back at full speed exactly when I need them. So

1966
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Speaker 13: for some players, they're almost fourth to have downtime because

1967
01:42:32,627 --> 01:42:35,867
Speaker 13: they're having surgery or they're having a break. I think

1968
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Speaker 13: the thing we always forget they made is is the

1969
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Speaker 13: mental side is. You know, footy players play because they

1970
01:42:41,547 --> 01:42:43,867
Speaker 13: love it, and they love it because they're playing a

1971
01:42:43,947 --> 01:42:48,387
Speaker 13: game with their mates. That's incredibly important. But man, you

1972
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Speaker 13: just try being a professional player and having a camera

1973
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Speaker 13: in your face every time you go to a plad

1974
01:42:53,787 --> 01:42:57,707
Speaker 13: or being in the constant pressure of media assessment, the

1975
01:42:57,867 --> 01:43:02,347
Speaker 13: pressure of having to perform in rugby's case in New Zealand,

1976
01:43:02,707 --> 01:43:05,827
Speaker 13: in Australia, maybe in South Africa and England at the

1977
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Speaker 13: end of the year, that takes a mental and emotional toll.

1978
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Speaker 13: I think the reason they've got to have a off

1979
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Speaker 13: season of some kind is to get that mental and

1980
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Speaker 13: emotional refreshment.

1981
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Speaker 2: So what do you do get back into preseason whenever

1982
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Speaker 2: that might be How much of preseason initially anyway, is

1983
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Speaker 2: about building an aerobic base.

1984
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and look, this is the million dollar or the

1985
01:43:31,067 --> 01:43:33,307
Speaker 13: one hundreds of million dollar question. I think with all

1986
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Speaker 13: the players that we've got running around at this time

1987
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Speaker 13: of the year, the model has been usually those first

1988
01:43:41,587 --> 01:43:45,427
Speaker 13: two or three weeks relatively gentle, easing back in with

1989
01:43:45,547 --> 01:43:50,147
Speaker 13: the reintroduction of some skills work, maybe doing some easy

1990
01:43:50,307 --> 01:43:53,227
Speaker 13: running and gently coming back into it, and then progressively

1991
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Speaker 13: improve it an increasing intensity, making things a bit longer,

1992
01:43:58,307 --> 01:44:02,067
Speaker 13: more introducing contact, which has got to be managed very

1993
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Speaker 13: carefully because they've got a huge season of contact, all

1994
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Speaker 13: those things that take into a count with the aim

1995
01:44:07,947 --> 01:44:10,667
Speaker 13: to have them what we would call job ready on

1996
01:44:10,827 --> 01:44:14,107
Speaker 13: the first day of the first round. Now, this is

1997
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Speaker 13: where I think it gets really fascinating, because for some

1998
01:44:17,907 --> 01:44:22,147
Speaker 13: clubs they have in all the codes. Some clubs they're

1999
01:44:22,187 --> 01:44:25,827
Speaker 13: off season is almost lish. It's it's I mean, I

2000
01:44:26,507 --> 01:44:31,747
Speaker 13: have seriously been only fairly recently to NRL pre season.

2001
01:44:31,827 --> 01:44:37,347
Speaker 13: We players throwing up training in full heat, wrestling then running,

2002
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Speaker 13: then wrestling, then running, and I've seen some incredible things

2003
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Speaker 13: and in some ways that element of the physical preparation

2004
01:44:46,067 --> 01:44:50,427
Speaker 13: is at a greater demand without the contact than you'd

2005
01:44:50,467 --> 01:44:54,147
Speaker 13: see in a game. So some teams really pride themselves

2006
01:44:54,387 --> 01:44:57,867
Speaker 13: on the intensity and the quality and the level of

2007
01:44:57,987 --> 01:45:01,067
Speaker 13: off season and preseason training. Others tend to be a

2008
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Speaker 13: bit more cautious. And I think this is the game

2009
01:45:03,787 --> 01:45:06,067
Speaker 13: that your play as a head coach is do I

2010
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Speaker 13: get the players in absolute condition ready to go on

2011
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Speaker 13: game one, or do we hold back a little bit

2012
01:45:15,307 --> 01:45:18,347
Speaker 13: and allow some game fitness to evolve over the first

2013
01:45:18,347 --> 01:45:21,427
Speaker 13: three or five rounds. I don't know. The competitions are

2014
01:45:21,547 --> 01:45:24,307
Speaker 13: so tough pointy that and the points that you know

2015
01:45:24,387 --> 01:45:26,467
Speaker 13: a winner is worth the same in round one as

2016
01:45:26,507 --> 01:45:29,107
Speaker 13: it is in round twenty five. I don't know that

2017
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Speaker 13: you can actually take time to build into game fitness anymore.

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Speaker 2: So basically what you're saying is is that you need

2019
01:45:35,987 --> 01:45:39,587
Speaker 2: to be firing on all cylinders in round one of

2020
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Speaker 2: the new season.

2021
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and I think the competitions they're deliberately shaped, aren't

2022
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Speaker 13: they to make competitions harder and tougher. There's no easy

2023
01:45:49,387 --> 01:45:51,947
Speaker 13: games in the NRL at the moment. It's become a

2024
01:45:52,107 --> 01:45:56,827
Speaker 13: very tight competition. The level of quality of games in

2025
01:45:57,267 --> 01:46:01,587
Speaker 13: all the codes has become that there's no uncertainty of

2026
01:46:01,707 --> 01:46:05,867
Speaker 13: outcome in far more games, there's no really dominant two

2027
01:46:05,987 --> 01:46:08,987
Speaker 13: or three, four or five teams. Is there's a reality

2028
01:46:09,187 --> 01:46:11,987
Speaker 13: equality and a lot of the codes, and I think

2029
01:46:12,027 --> 01:46:15,187
Speaker 13: because of that, you can't afford to drop points. But

2030
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Speaker 13: then that's again that's the game, isn't it. That's the

2031
01:46:17,827 --> 01:46:21,507
Speaker 13: challenge is if I, for example, had a team and

2032
01:46:22,187 --> 01:46:25,307
Speaker 13: we'd had a pork season last year the year before,

2033
01:46:25,347 --> 01:46:28,307
Speaker 13: we're down around the bottom, you would more than likely

2034
01:46:28,387 --> 01:46:30,867
Speaker 13: and this happens quite often, and I would imagine, saye

2035
01:46:30,867 --> 01:46:33,107
Speaker 13: for Paramatta with Jason Ryles, they would have done it.

2036
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Speaker 13: Maybe Benji Marshall in the NRL the teams that have

2037
01:46:35,787 --> 01:46:42,867
Speaker 13: really struggled, having an outstanding physical preparation is not a

2038
01:46:42,987 --> 01:46:46,427
Speaker 13: guaranteed way, but it's a highly likely way to improve

2039
01:46:46,547 --> 01:46:49,107
Speaker 13: your performance for the following year. But there's the problem

2040
01:46:49,627 --> 01:46:52,507
Speaker 13: is that if you invest in this massive training load

2041
01:46:52,587 --> 01:46:57,907
Speaker 13: in the off season, really intense, really focused preparation in

2042
01:46:58,027 --> 01:47:01,627
Speaker 13: the preseason, and you might have a blindingly good first

2043
01:47:01,667 --> 01:47:04,427
Speaker 13: five games, you might lose an x seven because they're

2044
01:47:04,507 --> 01:47:08,387
Speaker 13: so injured and so top because you've just got it

2045
01:47:08,507 --> 01:47:10,667
Speaker 13: wrong and but one of the great things in all

2046
01:47:10,707 --> 01:47:15,787
Speaker 13: the codes is the introduction of sports science of physiologists

2047
01:47:16,067 --> 01:47:19,907
Speaker 13: and strength and conditioning professionals and physiotherapists sports med staff

2048
01:47:20,347 --> 01:47:24,267
Speaker 13: who are a monitoring training load constantly to try and

2049
01:47:24,427 --> 01:47:27,467
Speaker 13: find what's the right balance so that we can win

2050
01:47:27,627 --> 01:47:30,827
Speaker 13: games but not be overstretched or overloaded.

2051
01:47:32,107 --> 01:47:36,107
Speaker 2: What a balance to strike off the training paddock. Often

2052
01:47:36,147 --> 01:47:38,987
Speaker 2: a new season brings new players to a team, new

2053
01:47:39,027 --> 01:47:42,867
Speaker 2: members of coaching staffs. How much of a preseason campaign

2054
01:47:43,267 --> 01:47:46,987
Speaker 2: should be focused on integrating new faces into your setup?

2055
01:47:48,427 --> 01:47:49,427
Speaker 19: Yeah, really good.

2056
01:47:49,387 --> 01:47:52,787
Speaker 13: Question, A really good question for the teams and the

2057
01:47:52,947 --> 01:47:57,107
Speaker 13: senior coaches who've got a culter so Craig Bellamy for

2058
01:47:57,147 --> 01:48:00,147
Speaker 13: example on Melbourne in the NRL, and for teams where

2059
01:48:00,747 --> 01:48:03,387
Speaker 13: they've got to set culture and experienced coach and a

2060
01:48:03,427 --> 01:48:09,707
Speaker 13: group that's been together. The incoming players incoming staff generally

2061
01:48:09,827 --> 01:48:13,627
Speaker 13: have to learn quickly to fit into that system. So

2062
01:48:13,947 --> 01:48:18,227
Speaker 13: you know, you're the Brisbane Lines in the AFL Chris Farton,

2063
01:48:18,387 --> 01:48:22,027
Speaker 13: highly experienced, very experienced staff. If you were going into

2064
01:48:22,067 --> 01:48:25,027
Speaker 13: that environment, the premiers, you'd have to fit into the

2065
01:48:25,107 --> 01:48:28,227
Speaker 13: Brisbane Lines way of doing things. That would be the

2066
01:48:28,307 --> 01:48:32,067
Speaker 13: expectation in some other clubs, if you've been brought in

2067
01:48:33,027 --> 01:48:36,307
Speaker 13: as a marque player or as a new coach with

2068
01:48:36,387 --> 01:48:39,387
Speaker 13: a high level of skill in a particular the expectation

2069
01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:41,787
Speaker 13: would be you fit into the culture, you build some

2070
01:48:41,907 --> 01:48:46,587
Speaker 13: friendships and connections that you've been recruited specifically to make

2071
01:48:46,627 --> 01:48:49,547
Speaker 13: an impact, and there's an expectation that you'll not just

2072
01:48:49,747 --> 01:48:55,267
Speaker 13: fit in maybe socially and culturally, but technically and tactically

2073
01:48:55,787 --> 01:48:58,667
Speaker 13: and from a performance you're expected to shake things up.

2074
01:48:58,707 --> 01:49:01,027
Speaker 13: You're expected to come in and be a bit of

2075
01:49:01,067 --> 01:49:03,907
Speaker 13: a disruptor and try to make a difference, because that's

2076
01:49:03,907 --> 01:49:05,907
Speaker 13: why they paid you to come in. If you're not

2077
01:49:06,107 --> 01:49:08,867
Speaker 13: coming in and shaking it up and making a difference

2078
01:49:09,267 --> 01:49:11,427
Speaker 13: to a team that's battled, well why would I have

2079
01:49:11,587 --> 01:49:14,867
Speaker 13: recruited you. So yeah, it depends, I think on where

2080
01:49:14,987 --> 01:49:17,387
Speaker 13: the team is at. The team's got a very set

2081
01:49:17,507 --> 01:49:20,787
Speaker 13: culture and you you and I've talked about culture previously

2082
01:49:21,467 --> 01:49:24,387
Speaker 13: that you know. I remember having a brief drop in

2083
01:49:24,507 --> 01:49:27,707
Speaker 13: with the Crusaders a long time ago and they use

2084
01:49:27,827 --> 01:49:30,907
Speaker 13: the term a Crusaders type of player and it was

2085
01:49:30,947 --> 01:49:33,427
Speaker 13: a wonderful phrase. And I know Geelong you've used the

2086
01:49:33,467 --> 01:49:36,187
Speaker 13: same term. The bulldogs use the same term. Is they said,

2087
01:49:36,587 --> 01:49:40,027
Speaker 13: we go looking we recruit crusaders, or we recruit bulldogs,

2088
01:49:40,107 --> 01:49:44,427
Speaker 13: or recruit gaps. We recruit people, coaches, athletes, staff who

2089
01:49:44,507 --> 01:49:47,147
Speaker 13: are our kind of people because we know our culture

2090
01:49:47,227 --> 01:49:50,107
Speaker 13: is right, and we know that they'll come in, they'll

2091
01:49:50,147 --> 01:49:52,947
Speaker 13: fit in, and they'll make us richer and a little

2092
01:49:52,987 --> 01:49:55,867
Speaker 13: bit better. In some other places where they're less certain

2093
01:49:55,947 --> 01:49:58,507
Speaker 13: of what they stand for and who they are, they've

2094
01:49:58,547 --> 01:50:01,267
Speaker 13: got to target people who can make them better and

2095
01:50:01,507 --> 01:50:05,507
Speaker 13: almost give them the opportunity to be disruptive and make

2096
01:50:05,587 --> 01:50:09,707
Speaker 13: things different because what they're doing. You know, what's that

2097
01:50:09,827 --> 01:50:13,627
Speaker 13: old great phrase about the definition of insanity is doing

2098
01:50:13,667 --> 01:50:16,867
Speaker 13: the same thing and expecting a different result. So, yeah,

2099
01:50:16,987 --> 01:50:19,587
Speaker 13: what you expect from players and coaches depends very much

2100
01:50:19,707 --> 01:50:21,547
Speaker 13: on your culture and.

2101
01:50:21,667 --> 01:50:26,187
Speaker 2: Where the team the moment just to finish. If preseason

2102
01:50:26,547 --> 01:50:29,507
Speaker 2: doesn't go to plan and you reach round one and

2103
01:50:29,587 --> 01:50:32,027
Speaker 2: the team is not job ready, is not where you

2104
01:50:32,147 --> 01:50:35,227
Speaker 2: want them to be. Is there a time in season

2105
01:50:35,787 --> 01:50:40,027
Speaker 2: to make up for lost ground that you didn't achieve preseason?

2106
01:50:41,747 --> 01:50:44,907
Speaker 13: I think there is, But there's got to be great

2107
01:50:44,987 --> 01:50:50,387
Speaker 13: communication between the coaching staff, the players and the support team.

2108
01:50:50,467 --> 01:50:54,347
Speaker 13: The strength conditioning, the performance analysts of physios. Everyone's got

2109
01:50:54,387 --> 01:50:56,227
Speaker 13: to be on the same board and be talking about

2110
01:50:56,267 --> 01:51:00,147
Speaker 13: it openly, because if there's an issue, it needs to

2111
01:51:00,187 --> 01:51:04,507
Speaker 13: be identified quickly and addressed with a degree of urgency.

2112
01:51:05,067 --> 01:51:09,027
Speaker 13: Having said that, they play, it's really important. So if

2113
01:51:09,107 --> 01:51:12,707
Speaker 13: you've sold the players the idea that the playing style

2114
01:51:12,867 --> 01:51:14,347
Speaker 13: or the type of game we're going to play this

2115
01:51:14,427 --> 01:51:17,347
Speaker 13: year is going to be really successful, our system will work,

2116
01:51:17,987 --> 01:51:19,947
Speaker 13: and you get to round one and you're losing. You say,

2117
01:51:20,027 --> 01:51:22,987
Speaker 13: so once we've got it wrong, we're changing everything. It

2118
01:51:23,187 --> 01:51:26,507
Speaker 13: confuses the players, and if they lose faith in you

2119
01:51:26,707 --> 01:51:29,427
Speaker 13: as a coach, when they lose faith in their system,

2120
01:51:29,907 --> 01:51:33,267
Speaker 13: then you could be headed for an absolute disaster. So

2121
01:51:33,507 --> 01:51:37,227
Speaker 13: I often say to coaches and staff, you've got to

2122
01:51:37,347 --> 01:51:40,947
Speaker 13: have a what if process for game one? What if

2123
01:51:41,027 --> 01:51:44,747
Speaker 13: we win and we dominate? All right, what's week two

2124
01:51:44,867 --> 01:51:47,827
Speaker 13: look like? What's week three look like? If we go okay,

2125
01:51:48,067 --> 01:51:50,587
Speaker 13: what do we do and the first week is a disaster?

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Speaker 13: What we do so that, if you're like, their response

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01:51:53,867 --> 01:51:55,587
Speaker 13: to what's happening in game one has got to be

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01:51:55,707 --> 01:51:59,107
Speaker 13: planned so that even if it's a complete failure, that

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01:51:59,267 --> 01:52:05,107
Speaker 13: there's a calm, cool systematic process to turning it around.

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01:52:05,627 --> 01:52:09,947
Speaker 13: I often say to coaches remembers that players can smell

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01:52:10,067 --> 01:52:14,187
Speaker 13: fear very quickly, and if they sense that, you've had

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01:52:14,227 --> 01:52:18,427
Speaker 13: them training October, November, December, January, getting them to believe

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01:52:18,507 --> 01:52:20,867
Speaker 13: in you and believe in the system, and then you

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01:52:21,027 --> 01:52:23,507
Speaker 13: dump it all out the door after one loss, Well

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01:52:23,547 --> 01:52:26,547
Speaker 13: they go away on a minute. Maybe these guys don't

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01:52:26,587 --> 01:52:29,107
Speaker 13: know what they're doing and it's every man for himself

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01:52:29,187 --> 01:52:32,827
Speaker 13: or every woman for themselves. So yeah, you've got to

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01:52:32,947 --> 01:52:36,787
Speaker 13: have what happens in round one really up the round five.

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Speaker 13: I think you've got to have a plan for how

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Speaker 13: you will respond to wind loss or draw.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant and so it as always from you, Wayne, Thanks

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01:52:45,067 --> 01:52:47,947
Speaker 2: as always for joining us across New Zealand with your expertise.

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Speaker 13: Always an absolute pleasure, my friend. I'm back in the

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Speaker 13: beautiful Shaky Aisles in a few weeks. I'm down in

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01:52:53,747 --> 01:52:57,507
Speaker 13: Tarrona doing some work in Bay a plenty. If anyone's

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01:52:57,507 --> 01:52:59,347
Speaker 13: down that way, please come up and say hello.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you will get quite a few people doing

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01:53:01,987 --> 01:53:04,347
Speaker 2: just that. Wayne, Thanks indeed as always for your time.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith, regular part of can Sport across the year

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01:53:07,667 --> 01:53:09,947
Speaker 2: find out more about Wayne and the work he does,

2151
01:53:10,027 --> 01:53:13,507
Speaker 2: and read some of his articles at WG coaching dot Com.

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Speaker 1: The Big Issues on and Arthur Fields call Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnerholmes.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's was Trusted Homemilder News Talks at BB.

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Speaker 2: Two forty three. The forty third edition of The Coast

2156
01:53:29,747 --> 01:53:32,787
Speaker 2: to Coast carries on today Brian Ashby's our man on course.

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01:53:32,827 --> 01:53:34,947
Speaker 2: I think we find your wood stock an hour or

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01:53:35,027 --> 01:53:37,107
Speaker 2: so before the end of the kayak stage, gash what's

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01:53:37,147 --> 01:53:38,547
Speaker 2: the latest you can tell us?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's so good about I think it's about fifteen

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Speaker 19: K's down to Gordons Bridge from here and a two

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01:53:43,467 --> 01:53:46,627
Speaker 19: minutes ago a new race leader came through in the

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Speaker 19: form of Tasmania's Alex Hunt. Alex the five times on

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Speaker 19: the podium. He's never won it, desperately wants and he's

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Speaker 19: got ahead of last years when a Haemus Elliott about

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Speaker 19: a minute twenty between them, So a bit of a

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Speaker 19: change around. Looking upstream at the moment and San Clark

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Speaker 19: was last information we had in third place, knew he

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01:54:05,707 --> 01:54:07,827
Speaker 19: was moving up. Hearing a little bit of scuttle butt

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01:54:07,867 --> 01:54:10,587
Speaker 19: out there that perhaps Ryan Kisanoski is making a bit

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Speaker 19: of a move in the boat as well. So until

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Speaker 19: we eyeball them, we won't know. But a new race

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Speaker 19: leader at the moment, in the form of Alex Hunt

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Speaker 19: and Hamus Elliott. Well, you know, look, Hunts last year

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Speaker 19: set the stage record on that ride to New Brighton Beach,

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Speaker 19: so he's going to be pretty hard to haul in

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Speaker 19: now that he's got his nose in front. That strange

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Speaker 19: things can happen, mechanicals and all sorts of Waird things

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Speaker 19: happen and these types of races. So fingers crossed for

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01:54:38,947 --> 01:54:41,267
Speaker 19: Alex Hunt in terms of the women, unfortunately, and no

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Speaker 19: fresh information from there. We're always on a bit of

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Speaker 19: an information hole when we're covering the river stage simply

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01:54:46,947 --> 01:54:49,427
Speaker 19: because it is just so isolated, all right.

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Speaker 2: And once they do get out of the river, what

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01:54:51,867 --> 01:54:54,467
Speaker 2: then lies ahead of them? Gash, what's next for them

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01:54:54,627 --> 01:54:56,747
Speaker 2: between when they get out and when they cross the

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Speaker 2: finish line at New Brighton.

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Speaker 19: Beach, seventy k's of south Ere Road across the Cannery

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Speaker 19: Plains into an easterly wind. Just to make your long

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01:55:07,147 --> 01:55:12,027
Speaker 19: day really miserable, just miserable a long time on the

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Speaker 19: river with the low flow and yet the easterly wind.

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Speaker 19: So often it's just saying, oh, you're not going to

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01:55:17,907 --> 01:55:19,707
Speaker 19: get the hit wind today, you get the head wind.

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Speaker 19: And it sounds as though that's what they're copping out

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Speaker 19: there cerily, the two day competitors anyway, that have already finished,

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Speaker 19: that's what they're copping out on the course there at

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Speaker 19: the moment. So Alex Hunt last year just just absolutely

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Speaker 19: blitzed this this finally against did Like said Ben Phillips

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Speaker 19: further back, that the difficulty was they just couldn't make

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Speaker 19: ground on on Hamus Elliott last year was a tail wind,

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Speaker 19: a blockhead wind would have kept them out there a

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Speaker 19: little bit longer. Maybe they could have caught him up,

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Speaker 19: But it was Hamus Elliott's day and he did it

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Speaker 19: in style. At the moment, the way we're shaping up,

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Speaker 19: it could just be revenge finally a maiden title for

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Speaker 19: Alex Hunt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if he gets on the bike first, how

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01:55:59,907 --> 01:56:02,587
Speaker 2: how close would Hamas Elliot have to be to him

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Speaker 2: to have a chance of catching him on that bike?

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Speaker 19: Last year I think he was about six He made

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01:56:08,227 --> 01:56:11,627
Speaker 19: up six minutes on that final bike leg Alex Hunt,

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01:56:11,667 --> 01:56:15,827
Speaker 19: but couldn't real haymuson. So six minutes difference in the

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01:56:16,667 --> 01:56:19,387
Speaker 19: and the speed between those two last year, so that

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01:56:19,587 --> 01:56:22,987
Speaker 19: that's substantial. Can you know it? Can Hamish turn that around? Well,

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01:56:23,107 --> 01:56:25,187
Speaker 19: you know it remains to be seen. But bear in

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01:56:25,267 --> 01:56:27,907
Speaker 19: mind that that Alex is coached by Gordon Walker. Now

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01:56:28,387 --> 01:56:30,747
Speaker 19: we we know Gordon a is a very good multi

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01:56:30,787 --> 01:56:33,507
Speaker 19: sport coach, very good kayak coach. Well, a lot of

2219
01:56:33,507 --> 01:56:35,347
Speaker 19: people don't know. He was actually in the New Zealand

2220
01:56:35,587 --> 01:56:39,467
Speaker 19: cycling squad in his youth as well in age group cyclings.

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01:56:39,547 --> 01:56:42,387
Speaker 19: He's very good cycling coats too, and so that's you know,

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Speaker 19: that's a real strength for Alex Alex Hunt and will

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01:56:46,547 --> 01:56:48,947
Speaker 19: be hard to haul in. While we've been chatting, no

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01:56:49,187 --> 01:56:52,787
Speaker 19: sign of third place coming through. So the scrap clearly

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01:56:52,867 --> 01:56:55,507
Speaker 19: for the top spot on the podium is down to

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Speaker 19: these these two Alex, Alex Hunt and the defending champion.

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Speaker 2: Loving your coverage, Brian, Thanks so much, Brian Ashby on

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Speaker 2: the forty third Coast to Coast. You can hear full

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Speaker 2: coverage incidentally on our special Coast to Coast channel on

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Speaker 2: iHeart Radio or if you're in the christ Church or

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01:57:10,187 --> 01:57:14,427
Speaker 2: Canterbury area. You can listen in on ten seventeen am

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01:57:14,947 --> 01:57:17,547
Speaker 2: wallf wall coverage of the Coast to Coast, so the

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01:57:17,867 --> 01:57:20,387
Speaker 2: last two or three hours of it are available for

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Speaker 2: you ten to seventeen am.

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Speaker 4: That is on your.

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01:57:24,307 --> 01:57:28,507
Speaker 2: Traditional radio or via iHeartRadio. Just get onto the app

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Speaker 2: and search up Coast to Coast and you will find it.

2238
01:57:31,627 --> 01:57:34,667
Speaker 2: One of the finishes in the last few minutes in

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01:57:34,867 --> 01:57:38,467
Speaker 2: the two day event, the three person two day event

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Speaker 2: was Richie mccaugh former All Black's captain. Of course, he's

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Speaker 2: just finished the two day three person event. He's been

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01:57:45,747 --> 01:57:48,427
Speaker 2: competing with Nathan Cohen and James Howard.

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Speaker 4: Very own.

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01:57:49,427 --> 01:57:51,947
Speaker 2: Leslie Murdoch caught up with Richie mccaughr on the finish

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01:57:52,027 --> 01:57:54,147
Speaker 2: line to offer her congratulations.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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01:57:54,867 --> 01:57:58,147
Speaker 25: Yeah, I was the heck god Easterley coming into town there.

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01:57:58,147 --> 01:57:59,947
Speaker 5: But that was good fun and was just talking to

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01:58:00,027 --> 01:58:00,467
Speaker 5: the girls.

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Speaker 20: Caught me and Emily who have taken out the two

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01:58:03,307 --> 01:58:05,347
Speaker 20: day individual. They was giving you big reps.

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01:58:06,347 --> 01:58:10,027
Speaker 25: Didn't realize where they were finding out for that, so yeah,

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01:58:10,027 --> 01:58:11,947
Speaker 25: I know, it was awesome writing with them. They were

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01:58:12,147 --> 01:58:13,707
Speaker 25: real strong riding, so it was good fun.

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Speaker 20: I mean, you had such a big background there and

2256
01:58:16,027 --> 01:58:18,387
Speaker 20: endurance racing. Where does this sit for you?

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01:58:21,187 --> 01:58:23,107
Speaker 5: Obviously you put this in the calendar.

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01:58:23,187 --> 01:58:26,267
Speaker 25: That keeps you motivated to keep fitting all that and

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01:58:26,827 --> 01:58:29,187
Speaker 25: I think it's the social side as much as the race,

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Speaker 25: and I love you know, the atmosphere.

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Speaker 5: But you know you still go and leave everything out there.

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Speaker 25: Obviously only did the biking this time, but you still

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01:58:35,587 --> 01:58:36,907
Speaker 25: even at the tank on that last ride.

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Speaker 20: Oh absolutely, that least to leave was there was a toughie, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 25: The first fifteen cases on my own, I was gott

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Speaker 25: me a long way in the town and this is

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Speaker 25: the case.

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Speaker 5: But managed to pick up a couple so that was good.

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Speaker 20: And of course God's only now know that that's back

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Speaker 20: in place.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty cool. Yeah, very excited by that.

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Speaker 25: There's been quite a lot of work over the last

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01:58:54,347 --> 01:58:56,187
Speaker 25: five months to get to the point to say we're

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01:58:56,747 --> 01:59:00,107
Speaker 25: we're ready to go. So yeah, it's one of the

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01:59:00,187 --> 01:59:00,627
Speaker 25: events I.

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01:59:01,107 --> 01:59:03,507
Speaker 5: Got a huge amount out of. And you know, just

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01:59:03,627 --> 01:59:05,987
Speaker 5: the comments I've had the.

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Speaker 25: Last days about how good it is to be back

2279
01:59:08,427 --> 01:59:10,147
Speaker 25: up and runnings hopefully bodes well.

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Speaker 20: I mean, you're a great inspiration for people to see

2281
01:59:12,587 --> 01:59:14,987
Speaker 20: you here. The big secret, of course, people are looking

2282
01:59:15,027 --> 01:59:16,787
Speaker 20: at your phy zeke and thinking, wow.

2283
01:59:16,667 --> 01:59:21,067
Speaker 5: You're so trum. What is the secret hard work? Yeah?

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01:59:21,107 --> 01:59:24,067
Speaker 25: I think I just try and do something most days,

2285
01:59:24,107 --> 01:59:28,147
Speaker 25: and it doesn't necessarily need to be lining up exactly.

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01:59:27,827 --> 01:59:28,627
Speaker 5: For a race.

2287
01:59:28,667 --> 01:59:31,387
Speaker 25: It's just keeping fit and then race comes along you

2288
01:59:31,427 --> 01:59:32,227
Speaker 25: can just tweak a leave it.

2289
01:59:32,307 --> 01:59:34,107
Speaker 5: And I guess when you build a base, you know,

2290
01:59:35,147 --> 01:59:35,387
Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 25: You can get through without embarrassing yourself, which is all

2292
01:59:37,427 --> 01:59:38,267
Speaker 25: I'm after these days.

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01:59:38,667 --> 01:59:41,187
Speaker 20: In the team scenario, it's a great feel, right, I mean,

2294
01:59:41,227 --> 01:59:42,027
Speaker 20: this is what we're getting.

2295
01:59:42,067 --> 01:59:43,907
Speaker 2: The vibe is just so good here.

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01:59:44,627 --> 01:59:46,667
Speaker 25: Yeah, we were lucky to get the start line, to

2297
01:59:46,707 --> 01:59:49,227
Speaker 25: be fair. Were originally Nathan and I meant to do

2298
01:59:49,347 --> 01:59:52,027
Speaker 25: the ten number hit us our end call. So we

2299
01:59:52,347 --> 01:59:54,387
Speaker 25: managed a while ago to get to the three man team.

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01:59:54,467 --> 01:59:55,867
Speaker 25: I was meant to run, so I've just been running

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01:59:55,907 --> 01:59:58,827
Speaker 25: training and then I tweaked the calf about two weeks ago,

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Speaker 25: so run bliker had.

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Speaker 5: To do the run. So lucky to make the finish line.

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Speaker 2: So how did you get hold of James Howard?

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02:00:06,747 --> 02:00:09,467
Speaker 5: They hi he was going to help us out anyway

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Speaker 5: as a sport.

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Speaker 25: Crew, I said ages ago and when Nathan couldn't run

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02:00:15,467 --> 02:00:17,707
Speaker 25: before I was before it was too late.

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Speaker 5: We've changed to do a team. So yeah, but he did.

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Speaker 5: He followed the.

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Speaker 25: Turn down under about a few weeks ago, done, messes

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Speaker 25: miles on the bike and then has to run.

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Speaker 5: So we did a pretty good job yesterday. Fantastic, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I mean you think you are the dream team.

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Speaker 25: It's good fun and there's we sort of say we're

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Speaker 25: not competitive as Sentner's that gone that start line, the

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Speaker 25: old competitive juices come out. So that's what's all about

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Speaker 25: this what I enjoy about, you know, training and racing

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Speaker 25: these guys.

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Speaker 20: We ever see gym or here would we.

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Speaker 25: Reckon as we as we itched there that might need

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Speaker 25: to be scratched so.

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Speaker 4: You never know.

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Speaker 2: That is Richie McCall with our very own Leslie murdock

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Speaker 2: having just finished the two day three man event. He

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Speaker 2: heard all about the changes they had to make to

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02:01:03,987 --> 02:01:06,907
Speaker 2: get it completed and wonderful to see it done. Great

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02:01:06,947 --> 02:01:09,787
Speaker 2: work from Leslie murdock to chat to Richie McCall there.

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Speaker 2: As I say, if you want wall to wall coverage

2330
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Speaker 2: of the Coast to Coast just go to iHeartRadio and

2331
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Speaker 2: look up Coast to Coast and you will find it there.

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Speaker 2: Nine Away from three News Talks.

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Speaker 1: EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Ye.

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Speaker 10: They call eight hundred and eighty and eighty US.

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Speaker 2: Talks Envy six away from three. That's pretty much us

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Speaker 2: all weekend sport for today. Tim Beverage ready to take

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Speaker 2: over for the weekend Collective Saturday edition after three. Just

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Speaker 2: a reminder that tomorrow on the show, between midday and three,

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Speaker 2: we will have all six New Zealand based Super Rugby

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Speaker 2: head coaches sprinkled across the afternoon. Vern Cotta, Jamie Joseph,

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Speaker 2: Rob Penny Clark, laid Lord, Tana Umanga and Clayton McMillan

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Speaker 2: all on the show tomorrow as they look ahead to

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Speaker 2: their Super Rugby campaigns for twenty twenty five. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: listening this afternoon. Who's thanks to Ny McDonald for producing

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Speaker 2: the show. Was always what is our exit song? Today?

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Speaker 2: And all as motion as I wanted to play the

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Speaker 2: song you were playing earlier. I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 4: What was a pony?

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Speaker 2: It was a bit of Glory of Love by Peter Satira.

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Speaker 2: I think fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 24: No, the waste Management open in Phoenix is on Piney

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Speaker 24: and it's the party of of all the gold golfing world.

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Speaker 4: So I've got Miley Cyrus's party in the Yui Seda

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Speaker 4: to throw a tribute to that.

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Speaker 2: All right, why not?

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Speaker 18: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Let's play it out. We'll see them at Midday Life

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Speaker 2: and out.

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Speaker 10: The For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine.

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