1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister joins us for this Monday morning. Good 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: to see you. 3 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 2: Good to see you too, Mike. 4 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Right, So I've got a nineteen ninety three rd eighty 5 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: five speed Edge or no, No, it's well it might 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: because I'm sick of getting the warrant, one of the 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: things your government promised. So I take it into the 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: garage on Friday and it needs to warrant. And one 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: of the things your government promised was you were going 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to do twelve month warrants. Yeah, because well when are 11 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: you doing it? Because I went and on Friday one 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: of those conversations. 13 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: Lately, you announced this and when are you exactly I 14 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: want to tell you. 15 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: I know we. 16 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Announced it because it's something I'm passionate about. I've got 17 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: a nineteen sixty six Riley Elf which has done sixty 18 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: six thousand miles. I've probably done one thousand miles and 19 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: ten years in it or something. 20 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: So is it manual? 21 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: Yes, manual? Yeah, so at a four speed? It's a 22 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: four speed. It's one thousand cc Mini with a boot 23 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: on the back of it. It was my first car 24 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: I had in christ Church was a sixty two Riley 25 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: Off which I crashed going to see Amanda one night, 26 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: or someone reversed into me and got written off and 27 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: I got sentimently attached to it, so bought another one. 28 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: But classic car owners actually look after their cars really well. 29 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: They do really few sort of miles and actually we've 30 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: got to make it much easier for them. Yes, exactly, 31 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: So it's coming. I just can't tell you. It's like, 32 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: what was the last thing you were harassing me about? 33 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: Was that freeway north? About when's it coming one and ten? 34 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: Case it'll come from. 35 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: My eighteen year old was driving home from the country 36 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: over the weekend and she called us, spacetimed us and 37 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: she said, hey, do you realize it's now one hundred 38 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: and ten k's on the road And we said, yes, 39 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: how long have you been on it? And she goes, 40 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: it's just started to one hundred and ten. I said, 41 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: let's stay on the phone call and watch it go 42 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: seconds later, watch it go back to one hundred And 43 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: she said, why did they do that? And I said, 44 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: very good question. 45 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: The my Costing Memorial Motorway North. 46 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: So why when did you got to use three meters 47 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: of it? Exactly? So why can't you tell me when 48 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: you're doing the twelve month more. 49 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: I tell you what I'll get out of this interview, 50 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: or you just start it is at some point we've 51 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: announced it. No, that's all done. It's just I can't 52 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: remember when it's coming out, but it is coming absolutely absolutely. 53 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: There is like a gazilli and I go to all 54 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: these Britain Euroclassic car shows from time to time on 55 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: I get a free moment, and honestly, these guys look 56 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: after these cars brilliantly. They lead all this hassle that 57 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: they community. 58 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: Precisely the Blue Bridge thing. How seriously did you guys 59 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: consider using them instead of a ferry. 60 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: Oh, we looked at a range of different options, but 61 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: ultimately you need to have a solution that we can 62 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: rely on. You've got to think of the Cook Straight 63 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: as a continuation of State Highway one, and you need 64 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: certainty of supply on the straight. And as a result, 65 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: that's why we went the way we did. 66 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: Okay, the EU deal around, I'm reading about deforestation these 67 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: new rules for the EU. So everything we send to 68 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: the EU under this c FTA has a deforestation tag 69 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: to it, and we've got to show that we didn't 70 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: DeForest the country by growing our cows and our sheep 71 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: and our trees. How problem One why do we sign 72 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: up to that? And two? How problematic is that going 73 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: to be? 74 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: Do you think, Well, I don't think it's problematic. I 75 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: mean we've got a third of this country and the 76 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: docker state, right. I mean, there's very few countries that 77 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: would have that much wildlife protection and and biodiversity that 78 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: we've got in this country. I was a bit frustrated 79 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: last week because essentially the reality is there is no 80 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: doubt about it. I've looked at the numbers. We are 81 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: the most carbon efficient, for example, farmers in the world right, 82 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: And everyone's been saying I got to shut down farming 83 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: because it's going you know, the reality is known, and 84 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: we can actually grow farming. We can increase production. We 85 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: have this incredible science, technology innovation. This is not just ideas. 86 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: These are real projects that are going to make a 87 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: big difference on that make our farmers more productive, make 88 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: us a lot more innovation. So I reckon anything any more. 89 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: Farming in New Zealand is good for the world because 90 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: it actually lowers greenhouse gaes sumissions is the way to 91 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: think about it, and we've got to do a bit 92 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: of reprogramming around it. 93 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: So you don't think it's going to be a problem. 94 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: It's my main no. 95 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: No, it will make sure we're complied. But I think 96 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 2: New Zealand has done a great job farming and itself 97 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: is coming down. We're actually going to put limits on 98 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: the forestation. We've got a lot of farm to forest conversions. 99 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: As you know, that's changed the complexion of our rural communities. 100 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: It's an externality that's not helping and as a result, 101 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: we're going to make some changes around what you can 102 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: can't on the land. 103 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Last week's announcement on the lack of gas, how alarmed 104 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: do you become each time they say this. 105 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think this is one of the great tragedies 106 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: of New Zealand. We honestly have abundant natural resources and 107 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: we should not have an energy problem. And the reality 108 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: is this, at eighty seven percent, we're a top ten 109 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: country on renewabooks. We want to double that because we're 110 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 2: going to need it with data centers and other things. 111 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: But you've got to face up to the reality is 112 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: we are going to need gas for several decades to go, 113 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: you know, because you need that certainty of supply. The 114 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: oil and gas ban from twenty eighteen was one of 115 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: the dumbest, most insanest moves I've seen happen, where they 116 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: didn't think through the second and third order consequences of 117 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: that and the consequences. We are the only country I'm 118 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: aware of on the world that's actually transitioning from gas 119 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: to coal, and coal is twice as bad as gas. 120 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: So what's happened because unfortunately that decision when you're a 121 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: global investor sitting in Canada or wherever you are in 122 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: the world with investments here in New Zealand around gas, 123 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: and you put a chilling effect into the investment community internationally. 124 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: That's why we've put two hundred million dollars aside so 125 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: we can co invest to encourage those investors to come 126 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: back into these and to keep looking for domestic pools 127 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: of gas, which we desperately need. 128 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: We had showed Jones on the program last week on 129 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: the spry subject. You said you is off to Singapore 130 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: to talk to people. So okay, So there is some 131 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: genuine interest in looking if we're if we can, you. 132 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: Know, and we're going to reverse the oil and gas ban. 133 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: But the problem that has happened is again it's very 134 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: easy to do the bumper sticker and the slogans, but 135 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: you actually have to think through the second and third 136 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: what comes next. And what came next was investors go cheap. 137 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: Is I don't want to invest in New Zealand. They're 138 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: going to lay down millions of dollars billions of hundreds 139 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: of millions dollars at capital to do exploration and then 140 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, the rules change and 141 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: their assets are stranded. So that's why we're having to 142 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: make sure that we reassure them that actually, if they 143 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: come here and they reinvest again under you know, either 144 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: through legislation or through the government come investment model, we've 145 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: got support that we can signal that this is actually important, 146 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: we want you to do this stuff. 147 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: See they started last week a battery project at Huntley, 148 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and when that battery is completed and then they're going 149 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: to double that battery and that takes us out to 150 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: twenty thirty five. Those two batteries as a form of 151 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: storage will do the equivalent for two hours of one 152 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand houses. Right, So as good as 153 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: that may be on a renewable story, it's not much power. 154 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: And when you talk about data centers and stuff. There 155 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: was a deal in North Carolina last week for ten 156 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: billion year dollars. That's massive and so we don't have 157 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: the power for any of it. So you can talk 158 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: data centers too, you blue in the face, No, but 159 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: we still can't get tea white running it for. 160 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we do have abundant natural resources and there 161 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: shouldn't be a reason why. But that's years away though, Yeah, 162 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: I get it. But equally there is dumb stuff that's 163 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: been going on. You know, like if you go down 164 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: to Marca, which is just out of Wellington, there's one 165 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty thousand houses that are actually provided by wind. 166 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: And the bottom line there is that that took eight 167 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: years to consent in two years to build. That should 168 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: be a one year consenting, two year build. Yet the 169 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: benefit in three years. And we've got a hell of 170 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: a lot of places. We could do a lot more 171 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: of that stuff. The solar stuff's coming on board really fast. 172 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: A lot are funded by British investors, for example, good 173 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: and you can install en homously. 174 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: Believe heart of hearts that we will get to a 175 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: renewable story in some way, shape or form that will 176 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: serve it in other words, the green vision, I just 177 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: increasingly don't see you. Well, we've got to be so 178 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: renewable and it's so unreliable. 179 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: I just that's the point I'm trying to make, is 180 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: that we're already in the top ten countries of one 181 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five in the world on renewables. We're 182 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: at eighty five eighty seven percent. Any other world leader 183 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: I talk to is nowhere near that, right, they're at 184 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: twenty percent, you know, fifty percent if you're lucky. So 185 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: let's be clear, we've got to double that. And we 186 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: can because we've got lots of space and that's all good, 187 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: but we're going to need gas. We need we need 188 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: some certainty of supply. We're also looking at geothermal, whether 189 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: we can go deeper to get more productivity out of 190 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: that asset, and that that's technology keyw engineers invented sixty 191 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: years ago, and there's more that we could do. There'd 192 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: be very interesting, I think down the road. I wouldn't 193 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: be surprised if we start having conversations around fusion technology 194 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: as well. 195 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: These eighteen and nineteen year olds haven't asked us for 196 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, but in the budget, you said, 197 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen year olds who aren't working are going 198 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: to be somehow supported by their parents. And when is 199 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: it being announced as and what do you need to 200 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: earn as a parent? You're triggered versus not triggered. 201 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: I can't give you again a time frame on when 202 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: that month month that is coming. 203 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Haven't you made your decision though? 204 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: Well we have. I mean that the bottom line is 205 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: we always got to set the thresholds. But the point 206 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: very clearly is that I'm trying to reprogram our young 207 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: people under twenty five to say I just can't go 208 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: to school. 209 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Can't I get the theory, But there'll be parents out 210 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: there going, well, I own one hundred and ten thousand 211 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: versus ninety five thousand. I kind of like to know 212 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: where we're at all that, and so why what's what's? 213 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Is this a game or something? 214 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: We just want to make sure that we really get 215 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: that setting right, and we've got It's quite complex because 216 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: there will also be scenarios where you've also got individuals 217 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: that have fallen. You know that their family relationships such 218 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: that that doesn't work. So we've got to get that 219 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: straight as well. But you know the detail is coming. 220 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: But I just I can't ok the Michael Forbes thing, 221 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: which I hesitate to even raise, because I mean, you know, 222 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: who the hell saw that coming. Are there things that 223 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: are unfolding in your office and in Parliament generally that 224 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: you're learning from. Is there something that's come out of 225 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: this that you're missed as the red flag we should 226 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: have seen? Is there anything at all? Or not? 227 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: No, The problem is that we actually have followed all 228 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: of the processes, like you know, really well, and we've 229 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: actually been a real stickler for that since you know, 230 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: it's been important to me. It's the stuff that I 231 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: believe is important. But the problem is in this case, 232 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: you know that the individual was vetted, they then worked 233 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: for a minister. You know we we're from minister. They 234 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: were vetted, they then had this this incident happened after that, 235 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: and the question is, well, is there any other vetting 236 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: that we should have done if they changed jobs coming 237 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: out of the minister's office into my office? Is there 238 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: any other cross agency vetting that could have been done? 239 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: So really, it's it's an incredible case where you know, 240 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: we've done everything that's built up in Parliament and everything 241 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: you've learned about hiring staff and the beehive who actually 242 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: worked for the d i A. But you know, as 243 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: their employer, we've got to go back through all those 244 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: processes and say, is there anything else we need to tell? 245 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: There isn't, No, there isn't. But it's just like, how 246 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: could this happen? And how did we? I think there's 247 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: some good questions around. Are the agencies talking to enough 248 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: to each other? How would police and d A inter relate? 249 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: Is anything we should do is in terms of resetting 250 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: and doing some more fitting. There's a bunch of stuff 251 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: like that. But again, you're clearly unacceptable behavior, and you know, 252 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: we moved as fast as we could. I think I 253 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: think we handled it very well. But just still for 254 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: the women that were impacted by that, pretty big deal. 255 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: All right, man, nice to see you. Good to see 256 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: you too, Chrystal likes and Prime Minister. For more from 257 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news Talks it'd 258 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.