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Speaker 1: Right now. Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country with US.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, Hello, Yeah, good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on. Now, what did you make.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about this yesterday, the pine forest and the

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Speaker 1: Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment saying actually they're not that

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Speaker 1: great in the long run.

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Speaker 2: No, But can I first address the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 2: What's that Granny's knee?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was driving back from Timaru yesterday. I was at

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Speaker 2: the South Island Air event. It was very entertaining show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Grannie for your knee. But on a more

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Speaker 2: serious note, it was just good to catch up from

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Speaker 2: my point of view over the wall is shoe or

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Speaker 2: the wall in government buildings issue, and I know you've

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Speaker 2: covered it off at length, and also the pine trees,

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Speaker 2: the ets what Simon Upton was saying, and I found

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Speaker 2: that really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can update you on Grannie. Actually, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: I gave her a call last night and she's doing well.

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Speaker 1: And I said, Grannie, I gave you a shout out

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Speaker 1: on the radio yesterday and she wasn't listening. So there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, she'll be the hit or the star of

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Speaker 2: the rest Home.

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Speaker 1: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: She's a celebrity.

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Speaker 1: Now she is, all right, So yeah, the Parietry Comissioner

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Speaker 1: for the Environment. And you heard yesterday the interview about

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Speaker 1: the pine forest. What's your take on it, Jamie.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm not a fan of carbon farming just

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Speaker 2: by itself. I'm all for production forestry, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's good. It's our fourth biggest export industry behind dairy,

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Speaker 2: red meat and horticulture. But I'm really worried Ryan, and

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people don't agree with me,

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Speaker 2: but I'm really worried that will become the Californian wildfire

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Speaker 2: capital of the South Pacific in twenty or thirty years

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Speaker 2: off the back of this poorly managed carbon forests. Because

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Speaker 2: I don't buy into the argument that all the land,

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Speaker 2: often good grazing land that's being planted right at the moment,

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Speaker 2: we might put a stop to it later this year.

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Speaker 2: Is there for production forestry in the future. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a bit of spray and walk away here. People

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Speaker 2: are looking to get the carbon credits, and goodness knows

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Speaker 2: what happens to these forests, especially if they're not managed

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Speaker 2: properly over the next twenty or thirty years, Like a

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Speaker 2: production forest could be and I'm with Simon Upton on

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Speaker 2: this one. And interestingly, and I know you talked about

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Speaker 2: this yesterday, but he's saying modeling indicates a glut of

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Speaker 2: carbon credits is going to hit the New Zealand market

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Speaker 2: in the twenty thirties, So what do we do. It's

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Speaker 2: going to exceed the government's ability to auction them off.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, the simplest way is to phase out forestry

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Speaker 2: options for pine trees out of the ets in an

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Speaker 2: orderly way, grandfathering existing credits, i e. Looking after those

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Speaker 2: who have already invested, but not issuing any more because

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Speaker 2: I think there'll be a political change in the wind

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Speaker 2: somewhere down the track and all of a sudden, no

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Speaker 2: one will want a bar of these carbon credits. It'll

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Speaker 2: be yesterday's news and we're going to be left with

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Speaker 2: these carbon forests that are uneconomic, no one cares for them,

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Speaker 2: and as I said, it may be spray and walk away,

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Speaker 2: and I think we it's an ecological and biological disaster making.

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the BF exports, the tariff, the

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Speaker 1: imposition of the ten percent tariff not really having much

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Speaker 1: of an effect on the price.

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Speaker 2: Well, beef producers in this country or beef exporters are

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Speaker 2: in a good position. And I was listening to the

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Speaker 2: guy from Ansco and I've just forgotten his name, Yes,

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Speaker 2: sales and marketing manager Rick Walker. Sorry Rick forgetting your

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Speaker 2: name wrong. And he's saying some customers supplying the US

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Speaker 2: market had been testing the waters and inverted commas with

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Speaker 2: New Zealand exporters, and this included suggesting renegotiated previously agreed prices.

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Speaker 2: But what he's saying is the New Zealand BF exporters

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Speaker 2: are in a strong position. They're not going to be

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Speaker 2: pushed around by these buyers. We're sure to beef are

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. It's not like we're saying we need

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Speaker 2: six weeks of contracts done because their freezers are full.

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Speaker 2: It's the complete opposite. The meat companies are in a

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Speaker 2: bit of a procurement battle. They're chasing that beef, especially

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Speaker 2: from the farms, and he's saying that the US importers

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Speaker 2: are just saying, look, well we'll pay the tariff. And interestingly,

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Andy Ballin, who's the GM of Scales,

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Speaker 2: one of our biggest horticulture companies. He was in China

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Speaker 2: when I chatted to him on my show today and

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Speaker 2: he was talking about exporting juice fruit juice to the US,

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Speaker 2: and the US buyers were saying, we'll just wear the tariff.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that happens at ten percent. I'm not sure Ryan,

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Speaker 2: they'll be saying that at one hundred and twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think they will be. Jamie, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, Jamie Jeers.

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Speaker 2: Ryan always good the chat.

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Speaker 1: Jamie mckaye hosted the Country for More.

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