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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from newstalk zed B.

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Speaker 2: But the All Whites are home for the final time

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Speaker 2: before this year's FIFA World Cup. They played Finland on

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Speaker 2: Friday night at Eden Park, going down to nil. They're

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Speaker 2: back there tomorrow night to face world number fifty five Chili.

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Speaker 2: We're joined in studio by All Whites and port Vale's

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Speaker 2: strikeout Ben Wayne and All Whites and Saint Ettie en

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Speaker 2: Winger and fallback Ben Old. Now I wouldn't ordinarily do this,

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Speaker 2: but because you're both Ben's, I'll call you by your

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Speaker 2: nicknames for the most part to avoid any confusion. Wayne, No, Ben, Wayne.

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Speaker 2: Can we start with you? Let's start with the two

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Speaker 2: nil loss to Finland on Friday night. What is the

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Speaker 2: review of that game thrown up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, it's just as simple as it's not

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Speaker 3: good enough. The team we have we were back to

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Speaker 3: selves to win that game, and you know, upon pond

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Speaker 3: reviewing it, there was just you know, little things that

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Speaker 3: maybe we were slightly off the off the pace, but

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Speaker 3: nothing drastic. I think there's just maybe little simple, simple

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Speaker 3: changes that we can easily implement in the next game.

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Speaker 2: When you've got two games in a window like this, oldie,

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Speaker 2: do you spend quite a bit of time on the

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Speaker 2: review or is it more looking ahead to what lies

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Speaker 2: ahead of you tomorrow night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's obviously so tough, especially with this window it

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Speaker 4: being so tight. You can do a bit of a review,

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Speaker 4: but got a game a few days later. It's hard,

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Speaker 4: but it's called it's going to be exactly what the

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Speaker 4: World Cup's going to be like. And if we're going

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Speaker 4: to lose a game the start, we're going to have

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Speaker 4: to react quickly. So I think that's going to be

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Speaker 4: a good test for us how we can react after

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Speaker 4: a loss.

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Speaker 2: We heard from you after the game on Friday night

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Speaker 2: and you were trying to unpack and explain what had

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Speaker 2: happened in the first half. Has anything come to light

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Speaker 2: in the review as to why you were perhaps a

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Speaker 2: bit slow to start in that first half.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's similar to what Weno said, and it was

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Speaker 4: an interesting game because there wasn't one tactical problem that

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Speaker 4: we could see. Was as Bays said it, there was

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Speaker 4: just a lot of gray in that game, which is

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Speaker 4: interesting in the sense it's good because it's it's quick

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Speaker 4: things that we can fix but as a bit disappointed

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Speaker 4: for us because a lot of that was controllable things

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Speaker 4: won our battles. I don't think we worked hard enough,

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Speaker 4: and those are normally things we pride ourselves on. So

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Speaker 4: good thing is that's controllables and we've been able to

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Speaker 4: notice that, and I'm sure we're going to be able

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Speaker 4: to have a good reaction next game.

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Speaker 2: When I want night's like that. How tough is it

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Speaker 2: how tough a night is that for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, but weirdly enough, I enjoyed it. It

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Speaker 3: was a it was a proper battle, and those are

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Speaker 3: result wasn't wasn't good enough, but I did. I did

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Speaker 3: is tough, but you've got to expect games like that

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Speaker 3: as a strike and that they're always going to happen.

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Speaker 2: How motivated and driven are you and the team to to,

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Speaker 3: Extremely. Look, I know it's a it's not a full

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Speaker 3: is a trophy on the line at the end of it.

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Speaker 3: So for us, it's reaction and to put a result

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Speaker 2: Odie, how different a challenge do you expect from Chile

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a massive challenge for us. It's

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Speaker 4: amazing that we've been able to play such strong opponents

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Speaker 4: we have to be at our best against all these teams.

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Speaker 4: So Chili, You're going to bring new challenges and we're

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Speaker 2: Who inside this team drives the standards? Are there one

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Speaker 2: or two individuals? I mean, I know you're missing a

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Speaker 2: Is there anybody in particular who's driving the internal standards

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Speaker 4: Those two names you mentioned before that are definitely big,

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Speaker 4: big names in this team, and that they do help

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Speaker 4: a lot, so we are missing them for sure. I

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Speaker 4: think what's good about this team is we do have

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Speaker 4: a very young team, so that does provide some real

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Speaker 4: good opportunities. But I think a really good thing, and

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Speaker 4: we had it with our discussion after the game, is

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Speaker 4: think that's a really good part of this team. We

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Speaker 2: So we're not that far away from the World Cup.

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Speaker 2: It's it's creeping closer by the day. Why now, when

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Speaker 2: you when you get inside the All Whites camp now

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen that often, but does it feel real?

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like, hey, this this big event in

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Speaker 3: Probably not. I mean, I know, we come into camp

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Speaker 3: got we've got this many training sessions left, We've got

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Speaker 3: I think it's not going to fully sink in until

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's probably hard to replicate that feeling.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's nice to know it's close, but for me,

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Speaker 3: it's it's not going to sink in until you know

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Speaker 2: Just want to ask you both about what's happening at

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Speaker 2: club level for you both, it's been a really good

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Speaker 2: the headlines for winning goals and f A cap ties

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Speaker 2: against Bristol City and then against the Premier League side Sunderland.

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Speaker 2: How special are those moments?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're super special. I've probably said it too

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Speaker 3: many times now. But as a as a team it's

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Speaker 3: sticking sticking with with us through what's been a bit

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Speaker 3: I think the cousins and really enjoyed that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as Newcastle fans, I'm sure they did. And a

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Speaker 2: an A Cup quarter final. Even saying these words, I remember,

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Speaker 2: you know when you were coming through the you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be. That's going to be right

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Speaker 3: It's a massive opportunity for everyone and something we've we've

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we we'll be really really looking

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Speaker 2: I bet, I bet, and older. You're at Saint Etian

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Speaker 2: was talk that you might be looking to go out

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Speaker 2: every week. What I mean, it's amazing how things can

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what everyone says with football, it can

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Speaker 4: expected for myself, obviously, going through two potential loan moves,

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Speaker 4: on from there. I've been starting playing ninety minutes, changed

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Speaker 4: that position. So it's been a roller coaster. I've experienced

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Speaker 4: Have been there, but really enjoying it. Right now, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Santidian relegated last year, but your top two with

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Speaker 2: eight games to go, I think looking good for promotion

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very difficult going through the relegation last

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Speaker 4: season because Sanny Seems have got such a rich history,

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Speaker 4: tough getting relegated. But we've got high expectations for this

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Speaker 4: the season. We fell into sixth place when we changed coach,

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Speaker 4: but the team's got a new energy. Were seven games

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Speaker 4: still very very close and a lot to play for,

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Speaker 4: we need to be back in Leagan for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that teams in the second tier treat

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Speaker 2: games against Saint Eddie and his Cup finals pretty much

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Speaker 2: massive club? You know? Do you find as like every

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the biggest shock for US players because

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Speaker 4: going from Leagan down to League Doer, it's a big difference.

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Speaker 4: And I think we're a bit naive at the start

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Speaker 4: we saw teams were forming at their best, working their

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Speaker 4: packed out, thirty five thousand. This is a game of

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Speaker 4: a lot of their lives, so they're all performing at

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Speaker 4: learned a lot from it, and now we're bringing out

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Speaker 2: I just want to look back a few years. I've

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Speaker 3: Ah, I always look back on them, and I think

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Speaker 2: And Oldie, for you, how important were those formative years

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Speaker 4: For you massively. I've always talked really fondly about coming

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Speaker 2: All right, let's finish with a look briefly head to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got very high expectations for ourselves, and I

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Speaker 4: So we're going there to win games and get out

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Speaker 2: Presume you echo those sentiments.

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Speaker 3: Why know, Yeah, absolutely, the group we have as a

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Speaker 3: You know, this team has a lot more potential than

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Speaker 2: So yeah, very exciting times ahead for fans of the

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Speaker 2: All Whites, for you both personally, the club in country,

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Speaker 2: busy old time. Appreciate you Popping and all the beast

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Speaker 2: against Chile tomorrow night and for the next few very

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys. That's been and Ben Wayne from the All

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Speaker 2: Chilly tomorrow night, seven point fifteen at Eden Park.

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