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Speaker 1: And we're welcome from the UK. Kevin great, Hello Gevin,

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Speaker 1: Oh I thought you were on a different line. Hello

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Speaker 1: Gevin either Andrew all right? Southport? Of course, the three

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Speaker 1: kids now that were knife to death. We get thirty

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Speaker 1: nine police officers injured after and risk broke out at

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Speaker 1: a vigil. Now what's that about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, extraordinary scene. So that there had been a

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Speaker 2: peaceful vigil in Southport, Northwest England, to commemorate those who

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Speaker 2: were the three who were killed, plus those who were

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Speaker 2: injured and remain critical in the hospital following the stabbing attack,

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Speaker 2: and then later in the evening, just a short distance away,

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Speaker 2: some extreme violence broke out in Southport and what had

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Speaker 2: happened Andrew sadly is police have been unable to give

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Speaker 2: much in the way of details of the main suspect.

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Speaker 2: We believe him to be a seventeen year old. We

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Speaker 2: believe his parents to be Rwandan and he was born

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Speaker 2: in the UK, lived in Cardiff, then moved to so

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Speaker 2: But it was rumored on social media and such like

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Speaker 2: that he was an illegal migrant had come over in

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Speaker 2: a small boat. A q of course, anger from the

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Speaker 2: right and indeed action from the far right. It's believed

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Speaker 2: who started to gather around the local mosque in Southport,

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Speaker 2: throwing bricks at the mosque, setting far to cars and

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Speaker 2: wheely bins, causing damage to a local convenience store. The

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Speaker 2: police attended, they were pelted with missiles, some quite big

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Speaker 2: bricks and missiles generally bottles too, and thirty nine have

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Speaker 2: been injured, twenty seven police officers taken the hospital, twelve

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Speaker 2: retreated and discharged at the scene, and police have put

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Speaker 2: in a what's called a sixty order, a Section sixty order,

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Speaker 2: basically giving them the right to disperse anyone there. But

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid tensions remain very high, with the vast vast

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Speaker 2: majority of the town in mourning, supporting one another, and

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Speaker 2: a small group believed not actually to come from the

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Speaker 2: town who have moved in, believed to be from the

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Speaker 2: far right, and supporters of what's called the English defensevely

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Speaker 2: chanting British till I die. So the thing, you get

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Speaker 2: the picture, and I'm afraid some pretty awful scenes.

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Speaker 1: There, classic classic social media misinformation. But here's the thing

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Speaker 1: we saw. I saw these rumors on social media from

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Speaker 1: the moment of the stebbing, from the moment of the incident.

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Speaker 1: People were making speculations about this kid and where they

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Speaker 1: come from, etcetera. And the longer that the police took

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Speaker 1: to name and to identify who the perpetrator was, the

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Speaker 1: more this sort of grew and mushroom within the minds

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Speaker 1: of the deluded. And has it been criticism of the

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Speaker 1: police for keeping mum on it for just too long

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Speaker 1: and letting the speculation brew until people became murderous.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it was fairly early on it was

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Speaker 2: said this is not being treated as a terrorist incident.

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Speaker 2: And then it came out, of course that the suspect

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Speaker 2: is from Rwanda. The police were quick to say he

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Speaker 2: was born in this country, you know. So I think

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Speaker 2: they caught between a rock and a hard place, because legally,

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Speaker 2: of course, in this country, until you're in that court

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Speaker 2: for the first time and you're charged, then you are,

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Speaker 2: you know, have the right to that anonymity.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a tragedy for everybody. Apparently the dead appearance

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Speaker 1: Dead was a Christian, hardworking father, stay at home mother.

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Speaker 1: They were very, very normal. The kid was quite reclusive

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Speaker 1: and the boy was born in Cardiff and they've been

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Speaker 1: here since two thousand and six. All right, we have

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Speaker 1: a separate in the southeast of England. Six people are

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Speaker 1: risted in. Now what's happened there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean quite extraordinary on the same night. I

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Speaker 2: dare say part of the extreme heat that we've been

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Speaker 2: having with temperatures up for up and over thirty celsius

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Speaker 2: might have got people slightly agitated. But again I really

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Speaker 2: this was quite a nasty disorder in South End on Sea,

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Speaker 2: which is down to the southeast of England. Police putting

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Speaker 2: another dispersal order there. There were problems that the city's

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Speaker 2: seafront South End on Sea, of course, right by the

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Speaker 2: sea down in the Essex area, and also on the

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Speaker 2: high street. Appeals for calm. Now nobody quite short what

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Speaker 2: kicked all this off, and actually that's part of an investigation,

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Speaker 2: but it thought lots of people came into the area

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Speaker 2: on the UK's hottest air of the year to get

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Speaker 2: by the beach and perhaps that's where they're when the

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Speaker 2: pictures I've seen certainly suggest some sort of gang problems

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Speaker 2: with it. Members of the public dispersed by about eleven

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Speaker 2: thirty at night, with the order disorder having begun some

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Speaker 2: four and a half hours earlier. Lots of young people

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Speaker 2: involved in this so you know, one does begin to

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Speaker 2: wonder if that was gang related, but either way, some

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Speaker 2: very unpleasant scenes for local residents who are used to

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Speaker 2: a much quieter town.

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Speaker 1: We only have a minute lyft, but we actually had

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Speaker 1: a Sleik committee about television and now State TV today

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Speaker 1: and the State TV came out and seen basically the

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Speaker 1: days of teristional TV on your telly are numbered. And

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Speaker 1: you've got some statistics out of the UK about viewership

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Speaker 1: with the youngsters which is quite worrying for television.

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Speaker 2: Indeed very worrying. So we're looking at a sixteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty four year olds, the so called Generation Z, less

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Speaker 2: than half of them in the UK and now watching

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Speaker 2: traditional TV that's live programming but also catch up programming

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Speaker 2: on a television set at home. Just forty eight percent

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Speaker 2: tuned in on an average of last week compared with

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Speaker 2: seventy six percent five years earlier. They're only watching an

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Speaker 2: average of thirty three minutes a day. That's down sixteen percent.

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Speaker 2: That's not good for TV.

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Speaker 1: Traditional Kevin Gray from the UK, I thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time.

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