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Speaker 2: you very shortly. Right now it is eight minutes past nine,

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Speaker 2: Jack dam You know what, I'm a slave to social

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Speaker 2: media and it drives me nuts. I feel compelled to

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Speaker 2: have Twitter or x and I feel compelled to have

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Speaker 2: Facebook as well, mainly for work. I have Instagram for socializing,

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Speaker 2: and I wisely never touch TikTok because from all accounts,

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Speaker 2: that's the most addictive platform of the lot. But what

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Speaker 2: I have three active social media platforms, and I feel

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Speaker 2: like I have to battle to stop myself from reflexively

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Speaker 2: who have never known a world without smartphones to try

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Speaker 2: looks set to forward ahead with a ban on social

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Speaker 2: media for young people. The South Australian government is going

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Speaker 2: to ban it for kids under the age of fourteen

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Speaker 2: and put the onus on the platforms to use age

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Speaker 2: up accounts. Fourteen and fifteen year olds will need to

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Speaker 2: get explicit parental permission to access likes of Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram,

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Speaker 2: and x. But is that excessive? Is it too much?

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Speaker 2: Is social media really comparable to booze or tobacco? And

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Speaker 2: if it's causing harm, is it really the state's job

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Speaker 2: to step in? Is it government's job. I'm a huge

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Speaker 2: fan of the work of the US social psychologist Jonathan Hayite.

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Speaker 2: He's the author of The Coddling of the American Mind.

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Speaker 2: He says that over protection from parents and schools has

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Speaker 2: caused young people to be less resilient than in the past. Basically,

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Speaker 2: we have been coddling our young people too much. We've

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Speaker 2: but I also agree with him the lot of social

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Speaker 2: and psychological damage in young people stems directly from social media.

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Speaker 2: Phones until high school and keep kids off social media

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Speaker 2: until at least this until at least the age of sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Hite says, don't you think it's crazy that social

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Speaker 2: media executives openly admit they refuse to let their own

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Speaker 2: everyone else's I personally supported the phone ban in schools.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's common sense, and in a way

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Speaker 2: this is the same because it's a collective action problem. Right.

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Speaker 2: So at the moment, parents know that if they let

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Speaker 2: deny their kid any social media platforms, parents often feel

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Speaker 2: that the child runs the risk of being socially ostracized.

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Speaker 2: And look, it's easy to say this now given our

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Speaker 2: I would still say sorry, it doesn't matter if all

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Speaker 2: But the thing about regulation is that if the government

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Speaker 2: if we can agree that an unregulated system for social

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Speaker 2: time to consider something different. Jack JO ninety two is

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Speaker 2: our Saturday morning next. It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame. This is news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Jack, I'm addicted to radio, so maybe ban radios?

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Speaker 2: Eh Oh, for goodness sake, come on, we're only doing

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Speaker 2: your good. Radio doesn't do your bad. Doesn't do your harm,

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Speaker 2: does it, Jack? Come on, this is just a precursor

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Speaker 2: to the banning of information across the board. The state

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Speaker 2: only wants information that's approved to reach anyone, not just

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Speaker 2: young people. This is the thought police. This is an

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Speaker 2: I think it's a bit extreme, Adrian. So I just

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Speaker 2: asked Libby, who is a gen Zia gen z producer

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Speaker 2: time before smartphones, would you support banning social media for

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Speaker 2: Libby said yes. See, this is the curious thing. If

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Speaker 2: they did the study in the US where they asked

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Speaker 4: Kilder Kevin, get morning, Jack and me he wiki or trel.

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Speaker 2: Mary nowl Mary then Kevin very good. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: you what do you think about banning social media for

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Speaker 4: I don't like the idea of banning anything, right because

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Speaker 2: Well except except that if you think about it with

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Speaker 2: like booze. Right, So people under the age of eighteen

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Speaker 2: are banned. Now, of course many of them can still

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Speaker 2: access they can still access alcohol, but it sets a

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Speaker 2: Like if we imagine if we didn't have a band

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I get your point. I'm actually not

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Speaker 2: social media, it was a wash this week with the

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Speaker 2: many memes that came out of the US presidential candidates debate,

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Speaker 2: and that most memorable line of all has reminded you

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Speaker 4: I'm astonished Jack, really that I sometimes bets on what

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Speaker 4: I think you're going to talk about, and this was

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Speaker 4: highlight jar of your week. Must have been the debate.

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Speaker 2: After the show? Absolutely, No, the debate was. It was incredible.

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Speaker 2: It was an incredible thing to watch, and yeah, remarkable

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Speaker 4: I'm not even really politico in that sense that I

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 4: Because I think you're quite an expert in this area,

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Speaker 4: most the sort of the a bigger political calamity for

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Speaker 4: him than anything Biden said or did during his previous debate?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah. I was reading about the fact checkers

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Speaker 4: that established that the story had started with I think

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Speaker 4: a single social media post from some kid? Was that, right, Jack?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. But it never offered any evidence. The story

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Speaker 4: say that there's a history of totally incorrect stories from

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Speaker 4: I was about ten, I think, hearing a story many

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Speaker 4: Who knows, you know what was to be served up?

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Speaker 4: And it's only now, after all these years, does it

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Speaker 4: so many things on that debate. Weren't the jack that,

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Speaker 4: the the Ukraine War even before it had got to office. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this morning. Kilder, sir, Oh, hangers end golder sir, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: all good, So what yeah, very well, thank you. What

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Speaker 2: You were jactating this Saturday morning, Keelder Jack says Mark.

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Speaker 2: Social media is designed to be addictive to make us

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Speaker 2: So what's the answer. Well, for starters, stop calling it

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Speaker 2: thoughtful message there from Mark ninety two. Ninety two is

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon? Francisco? Would you support banning social

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Speaker 10: who does not post, who hardly follows, who knows how

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Speaker 10: to use it for their benefit and to add value

431
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Speaker 10: to their life, and the rest of it completely ignores it,

432
00:24:00,693 --> 00:24:03,653
Speaker 10: doesn't want a bar of it. So you know, that's

433
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Speaker 10: all about just education and understand and what works for

434
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Speaker 10: her and what doesn't and what's a good thing to

435
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Speaker 10: be part of them what isn't And I you know,

436
00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:14,733
Speaker 10: she's a smart little cookie.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well no I don't know.

438
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Speaker 11: This is all from her.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

440
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Speaker 10: But yeah, Look, I think I think there's a really

441
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Speaker 10: serious conversation to be had about what we have allowed

442
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Speaker 10: to become the norm. It's really hard to tell parents

443
00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:33,293
Speaker 10: what to do. Everyone's in different situations, dealing with different

444
00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:35,813
Speaker 10: things and are really busy. But at the end of

445
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Speaker 10: the day, we have to completely change our whole perception

446
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Speaker 10: as to what value we get from this digital world

447
00:24:41,693 --> 00:24:45,493
Speaker 10: we live in and how to how to how to

448
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Speaker 10: embrace it, what it can bring to our lives and

449
00:24:48,093 --> 00:24:50,933
Speaker 10: get rid of the stuff that the negative stuff that

450
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Speaker 10: doesn't contribute at all to our lives.

451
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Speaker 2: So all Well said, Okay, well we're going to pivot

452
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Speaker 2: away from all that entertainment of another sort. Two different

453
00:24:59,973 --> 00:25:02,093
Speaker 2: films to discuss this morning. So let's start off with

454
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Speaker 2: a movie that's showing in cinemas at the moment. This

455
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Speaker 2: is Speak no Evil.

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Speaker 6: I want to pack up the current.

457
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Speaker 12: I want to leave right now.

458
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Speaker 1: You can then call out there and be completely novel.

459
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Speaker 7: From Britaining its normal.

460
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Speaker 2: Since we can't hear Dan, you're ba ba ba ba

461
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Speaker 2: tell us about us.

462
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what.

463
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Speaker 10: You would have packed up your popcorn and left the

464
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Speaker 10: theater because this is not a relaxing film. You and

465
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Speaker 10: I we've spoken about the psychological horrors and horrors and things,

466
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Speaker 10: but really are not the most relaxing way to spend

467
00:25:43,893 --> 00:25:46,533
Speaker 10: a couple of thousand. This one really does nail it.

468
00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:48,973
Speaker 10: It's a remake of the Danish film that was actually

469
00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:52,893
Speaker 10: released in twenty and twenty two. The American version is

470
00:25:53,053 --> 00:25:56,453
Speaker 10: it's a little bit safer. It's a slightly less deflating

471
00:25:56,533 --> 00:25:59,093
Speaker 10: film than the original. I don't want to give too

472
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Speaker 10: much away. I think if you've probably seen the original,

473
00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:05,773
Speaker 10: you don't need to see this film. It is very similar,

474
00:26:05,813 --> 00:26:09,333
Speaker 10: except the land act is quite different. But that is

475
00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:12,053
Speaker 10: not to say that if you really enjoy sort of

476
00:26:12,093 --> 00:26:15,453
Speaker 10: an edge of your seat exhausting psychological horror, you won't

477
00:26:15,493 --> 00:26:18,053
Speaker 10: enjoy a sort of number. That's the intention. It is

478
00:26:18,093 --> 00:26:21,773
Speaker 10: to make you feel uncomfortable, to sort of push these

479
00:26:22,653 --> 00:26:26,213
Speaker 10: push societal conventions and sort of see where we land

480
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Speaker 10: and how you feel about how everything kind of unfolds.

481
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Speaker 10: And I mean it is interesting this film because there

482
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Speaker 10: was a lot of talk about, you know, not giving

483
00:26:40,453 --> 00:26:42,773
Speaker 10: away too much about the story and the plot and

484
00:26:42,813 --> 00:26:47,053
Speaker 10: how things unfold. Interestingly, though I didn't think it was

485
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:50,333
Speaker 10: that clever. I think you and I sitting in this

486
00:26:50,413 --> 00:26:53,773
Speaker 10: theater would potentially kind of go uh huh, I know

487
00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:57,013
Speaker 10: what's going on here and be absolutely right. You've got

488
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Speaker 10: these there's two couples. You've got this posh London dwelling

489
00:27:00,933 --> 00:27:03,773
Speaker 10: American couple Louise and Ben. They meet this other couple

490
00:27:03,813 --> 00:27:06,933
Speaker 10: from the West Country, Paddy and Kara, on a holiday

491
00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:10,493
Speaker 10: in Tuscany. When they both return home, Paddy and Kara

492
00:27:10,613 --> 00:27:12,853
Speaker 10: they invite Louise and Ben to come and spend the

493
00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:15,373
Speaker 10: weekend with them in the country, and they're a bit like, well,

494
00:27:15,373 --> 00:27:17,773
Speaker 10: we don't really know these people, but they're having a

495
00:27:17,773 --> 00:27:19,573
Speaker 10: bit of a tough time at the moment. So they

496
00:27:19,573 --> 00:27:21,293
Speaker 10: decide that they'll head out and just sort of have

497
00:27:21,413 --> 00:27:25,093
Speaker 10: this little break and things. They take their twelve year

498
00:27:25,093 --> 00:27:27,973
Speaker 10: old daughter, Agnes to play with Paddy and Kara's son

499
00:27:28,053 --> 00:27:30,973
Speaker 10: and who has some speech issues, and they get there

500
00:27:31,013 --> 00:27:34,533
Speaker 10: and things sort of yeah, you're not quite sure whether

501
00:27:34,613 --> 00:27:37,173
Speaker 10: things are okay or not, and that's the whole intention

502
00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,173
Speaker 10: with this film. That's what it does. It sort of

503
00:27:39,253 --> 00:27:42,173
Speaker 10: teases you into thinking that maybe not everything is as

504
00:27:42,213 --> 00:27:44,013
Speaker 10: it seems, and then it reassures you it is and

505
00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:46,613
Speaker 10: you kind of go off on this journey. James McAvoy

506
00:27:46,653 --> 00:27:50,453
Speaker 10: is absolutely brilliant as Paddy. He is totally committed and

507
00:27:50,573 --> 00:27:55,333
Speaker 10: terrifying and wonderful. And Mackenzie Davis, who plays Louise, also

508
00:27:55,573 --> 00:27:58,453
Speaker 10: she fights back beautifully as well.

509
00:27:59,093 --> 00:28:01,893
Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, yeah, it sounds like something that I'm not

510
00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:05,613
Speaker 2: going to go to percent honors, No, but it does.

511
00:28:05,653 --> 00:28:08,253
Speaker 2: It sounds just a nonetheless and I'm sure there will

512
00:28:08,293 --> 00:28:10,453
Speaker 2: be some fans out there, So let's speak no evil.

513
00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:15,493
Speaker 2: That's in cinemas, available on streaming services to buy or rent.

514
00:28:15,573 --> 00:28:16,733
Speaker 2: Tell us about Radical.

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Speaker 10: Yes, the Radical is at cinemas. It is a real

516
00:28:21,293 --> 00:28:23,773
Speaker 10: crowd pleaser. It is a Mexican film. It's based on

517
00:28:23,813 --> 00:28:28,493
Speaker 10: a true story and it's directed by a filmmaker called Christopherzala.

518
00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:31,173
Speaker 10: And it is a story we've seen before. It's a

519
00:28:31,213 --> 00:28:34,053
Speaker 10: story of a teacher who empowers his students through his

520
00:28:34,293 --> 00:28:37,773
Speaker 10: unconventional teaching ways and the ways that he manages to

521
00:28:37,853 --> 00:28:40,893
Speaker 10: engage these children. It is worth saying though, because the

522
00:28:40,933 --> 00:28:44,333
Speaker 10: setting is quite unique. It's set in a very violent, poor,

523
00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:50,533
Speaker 10: gang infested part of Mexico. Heio Durbez. He plays our

524
00:28:50,613 --> 00:28:54,613
Speaker 10: lead character, our teacher so here, and he delivers a

525
00:28:54,893 --> 00:28:58,453
Speaker 10: very heart without emotional performance. He is a teacher who

526
00:28:59,013 --> 00:29:00,893
Speaker 10: is at a point in his life where he is

527
00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:04,533
Speaker 10: desperate to feel that his entire career of teaching children

528
00:29:04,893 --> 00:29:07,013
Speaker 10: hasn't been a waste of time and ends up in

529
00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:10,253
Speaker 10: this very poor school. He has these children who they're

530
00:29:10,253 --> 00:29:12,493
Speaker 10: twelve years old. One is about to leave because her

531
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Speaker 10: mother is having another baby and she will be responsible

532
00:29:15,173 --> 00:29:17,813
Speaker 10: for looking after the baby while the mother works. Another

533
00:29:17,813 --> 00:29:20,773
Speaker 10: little boy in Nko. His family is part of a

534
00:29:20,813 --> 00:29:22,853
Speaker 10: gang and he has no other option but to be

535
00:29:22,893 --> 00:29:25,573
Speaker 10: brought into this world and he will be leaving school.

536
00:29:25,573 --> 00:29:29,453
Speaker 10: And then we have Palermma and she is probably the

537
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:33,973
Speaker 10: reason why this story went national in Mexico, and that's

538
00:29:34,013 --> 00:29:36,813
Speaker 10: because she lives in a dump site with her father

539
00:29:36,933 --> 00:29:40,173
Speaker 10: and they trawl through the rubbish dump to find metal

540
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,213
Speaker 10: and things to recycle and make money and try them

541
00:29:42,213 --> 00:29:45,613
Speaker 10: in a living She's a mathematical genius. So you've and

542
00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:47,733
Speaker 10: that's the other reason to watch this film is the

543
00:29:47,773 --> 00:29:51,573
Speaker 10: director has got these amazing performances out of this young cast.

544
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Speaker 10: So there's a mix of humor. There are some devastating

545
00:29:54,973 --> 00:29:58,013
Speaker 10: sort of heartbreaking moments, but you will leave this film

546
00:29:58,453 --> 00:29:59,813
Speaker 10: utterly uplifted.

547
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Speaker 9: It is a delight.

548
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Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's an easy choice for me this week.

549
00:30:05,373 --> 00:30:09,613
Speaker 2: Oh I think so well that like just text every

550
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Speaker 2: single box from me. Okay. Radical is Francesca's second film.

551
00:30:13,773 --> 00:30:15,973
Speaker 2: That first film was Speak No Evil. All of the

552
00:30:15,973 --> 00:30:18,053
Speaker 2: details would both will be up on the news talks.

553
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Speaker 2: He'd be website.

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Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation going through

555
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Speaker 1: the weekend with Bepure dot coat once here for high

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Speaker 1: quality supplements used talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen to ten on news talks, he'd be If you

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Speaker 2: are entertaining and you want to have a delicious, nutritious

559
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Speaker 2: meal that isn't too complicated, Nicky wicks our cookers here

560
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Speaker 2: with a great suggestion for us this morning, Kilder.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good morning, Jack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this sounds great. So creamy chicken and peas. One

563
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Speaker 2: pan wonder, yeah, one pan wonder.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: And you know, I know we've been talking a lot

566
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Speaker 13: about social media. Look what about social cooking and eating?

567
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Speaker 13: That's way better?

568
00:30:54,253 --> 00:30:56,333
Speaker 2: Must be dullifying, you know.

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Speaker 13: And I think this warmer weather suddenly owns us all

570
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Speaker 13: up a little bit, doesn't it. Like a little flower,

571
00:31:03,053 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 13: like a little bloss Yeah, because I know myself I've

572
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Speaker 13: been starting to think, oh, okay, go out a little bit,

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Speaker 13: maybe you have friends over that.

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Speaker 2: Sort of thing usual for me.

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Speaker 13: Come on, and this is a great difference. Not too expensive.

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Speaker 13: I think we've got to think about that this year

577
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Speaker 13: in terms of our entertaining season. You know, it's been

578
00:31:20,013 --> 00:31:23,573
Speaker 13: a bit lean this year, so chicken is always affordable.

579
00:31:23,693 --> 00:31:27,653
Speaker 13: It's probably our most affordable protein. I still encourage people

580
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:29,413
Speaker 13: to spend a bit more and buy some good quality

581
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Speaker 13: chicken so that it has got some sort of nice

582
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Speaker 13: texture and good.

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Speaker 12: Flavor to it.

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Speaker 13: And yeah, look lovely big pan of this delivered to

585
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Speaker 13: the table. You cannot go wrong. Here's what you do.

586
00:31:40,053 --> 00:31:44,573
Speaker 13: It's so super easy. One chicken breast, I think will

587
00:31:44,653 --> 00:31:47,373
Speaker 13: end up giving you about three pieces because we're going

588
00:31:47,413 --> 00:31:50,133
Speaker 13: to take the tenderloin off if it's that's on the back,

589
00:31:50,453 --> 00:31:53,173
Speaker 13: slice the chicken breast through horizontally in half, so you've

590
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:56,893
Speaker 13: got two thinner pieces. But I'm using three to four

591
00:31:57,213 --> 00:31:59,213
Speaker 13: of chicken breasts here, so do that with all of them.

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Speaker 13: Sprinkle them with salt and pepper. Heat a large pan,

593
00:32:02,413 --> 00:32:04,293
Speaker 13: and I mean a really big pan here on medium,

594
00:32:04,693 --> 00:32:07,173
Speaker 13: lightly brown the chicken on both and a little bit

595
00:32:07,213 --> 00:32:09,613
Speaker 13: of oil and perhaps a little bit of butter too,

596
00:32:09,613 --> 00:32:10,813
Speaker 13: which would be really nice.

597
00:32:11,053 --> 00:32:11,973
Speaker 10: Take that away.

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Speaker 13: We're going to cook it a little bit more later,

599
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,533
Speaker 13: so Darry just want to lightly brown it on both sides,

600
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Speaker 13: and then in I've used leaks because they're in season

601
00:32:21,653 --> 00:32:24,053
Speaker 13: and they're cheap at the moment, but onions will be fine.

602
00:32:24,493 --> 00:32:26,933
Speaker 13: You just want to soften those up in the oil

603
00:32:26,933 --> 00:32:29,733
Speaker 13: and butter and those leftover sort of chicken juices and

604
00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:33,213
Speaker 13: pan juices, and then in a big bowl, mixed that

605
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Speaker 13: this little mixture.

606
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,693
Speaker 12: Which is just going to be a beautiful jew over.

607
00:32:36,893 --> 00:32:39,893
Speaker 13: Cup of chicken stock, two tablespoons of lemon juice. So

608
00:32:39,973 --> 00:32:43,453
Speaker 13: there goes that beautiful acidity to wake your wake your

609
00:32:43,493 --> 00:32:46,773
Speaker 13: taste buds up. Three cloves of garlic, which your mince

610
00:32:46,813 --> 00:32:49,853
Speaker 13: wil crush, half a teaspoon of chili flakes, another little

611
00:32:49,893 --> 00:32:52,973
Speaker 13: flavor and anser in there, and pour that over your

612
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:56,373
Speaker 13: cooked or softened leaks and onions. Bring it to a

613
00:32:56,413 --> 00:32:59,973
Speaker 13: simmer for about ten minutes. Add the chicken back to

614
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Speaker 13: the pan so it gets a little bit more cooking,

615
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Speaker 13: and then we've got quart of a cup of cream jack.

616
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Speaker 13: Oh my goodness, it's so good. It just thickens the

617
00:33:08,533 --> 00:33:11,573
Speaker 13: saucer a little bit. So you then just bringing that

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Speaker 13: up to a gentle heat, pop it into the oven

619
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Speaker 13: if you like, or do it on the stop top

620
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Speaker 13: of the stove. It just needs to cook up for

621
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Speaker 13: about six to eight minutes. And then right at the end,

622
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Speaker 13: I just pour some board water over about a cup

623
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Speaker 13: and a half of peas. And I just love putting

624
00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:30,133
Speaker 13: peas in here because it's so springy and it's beautiful.

625
00:33:30,213 --> 00:33:32,973
Speaker 13: Let them sit for five minutes, then drain them. That'll

626
00:33:32,973 --> 00:33:35,493
Speaker 13: be enough to cook them enough, and then add those

627
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Speaker 13: to the pan for the final two minutes, and then

628
00:33:38,213 --> 00:33:40,813
Speaker 13: just serve this at the table, perhaps with a lovely

629
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Speaker 13: bit of crusty bread, maybe some butter crunch or cos lettuce,

630
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:48,813
Speaker 13: decent grind of black pepper over it, chop parsley over

631
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Speaker 13: your dish. And it's just I mean, I ate this

632
00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:54,573
Speaker 13: the other night when I was testing this, and honestly,

633
00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:57,253
Speaker 13: I just couldn't have been happier. It was sort of

634
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:00,933
Speaker 13: light and bright and fresh, but also kind of comforting

635
00:34:01,413 --> 00:34:03,733
Speaker 13: and spring as we've seen, you know yesterday in the

636
00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:07,013
Speaker 13: South Island can turn on us and be cold again. Yeah,

637
00:34:07,093 --> 00:34:09,413
Speaker 13: we'll still be fine for that, you know, or for

638
00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:11,613
Speaker 13: a lovely sort of summer lunch, a lovely sort of

639
00:34:11,653 --> 00:34:13,613
Speaker 13: spring luncheon. So it's a good.

640
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Speaker 2: It's really afford it sounds amazing affordable. And can I

641
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Speaker 2: just say too, Like I'm going through the ingredients, I

642
00:34:20,413 --> 00:34:22,613
Speaker 2: think I have literally everything at home. I don't know,

643
00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:24,453
Speaker 2: I maybe don't have cream. I don't have cream, but

644
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Speaker 2: I could just pick that up from the diary. That's

645
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:28,973
Speaker 2: not hard. It's very simple like this is all stuff

646
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Speaker 2: that these are pantry staples totally.

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Speaker 13: And I'm all about the pantry staples always because I

648
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Speaker 13: live a long way from a supermarch.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, can I ask though, could you could

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Speaker 2: you swap a few living like my wife is Persian

651
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Speaker 2: and Persians of course never have boneless, skinless skinless chicken breasts.

652
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Speaker 2: I mean that's like, you know, that's like sacrac So well,

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Speaker 2: could I do like a bone in option or or

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Speaker 2: something with skin? You know? I could do that? Could

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Speaker 2: of course?

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Speaker 13: Of course, you just need to cook a little bit longer.

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Speaker 13: Great question, because you're right, you know, sometimes you want

658
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Speaker 13: a bit more flavor in there, which the skin gives

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Speaker 13: you because it's got fat and the bone and gives

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Speaker 13: you so look, thighs would be lovely in this chicken.

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Speaker 13: Skin on breasts if you can find them. I'm still

662
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Speaker 13: old enough to remember bone in breast. Yeah, boy, they

663
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Speaker 13: were fantastic, all those little caramelized bones at the end,

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Speaker 13: all delicious. So yeah, absolutely, no, you can. You just

665
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Speaker 13: need to think about how long you need to cook it.

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Speaker 13: The trick of this one is that cooks very quickly

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Speaker 13: because of all of those things, but by all means

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Speaker 13: cook it for a bit longer if you're going to

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Speaker 2: Kitchen very good. That's right. If you were going to

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Speaker 2: Interesting email here Jack. It's important to remember that some

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Speaker 2: cultures do eat animals that we consider as companions only horses,

690
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Speaker 2: guinea pigs and parts of South America, yes, and dogs. Sadly,

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Speaker 2: I mean this is this is true. I don't think

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Speaker 2: anyone's anyone's denying that. You know, it is true that

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Speaker 2: in Peru, for example, they do eat guinea pig, and

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Speaker 2: other parts of the world that horse and sometimes even

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Speaker 2: dog might be eaten, just as other cultures would look

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Speaker 2: at our our cuisine and some of the things we

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Speaker 2: eat and probably be horrified. I can imagine that. You know,

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Speaker 2: for many Indian people, the prospect of eating beef, for example,

699
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Speaker 2: would be absolutely shocking. But I suppose it's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: the suggestion that an unusual meat is being consumed, but

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Speaker 2: rather that they were pets that were being consumed. That

702
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Speaker 2: my might have raised the hour of some in that

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Speaker 2: presidential debate earlier this week, especially given it has been

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Speaker 2: completely debunked, but thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree with your comments this morning. Regarding social media.

707
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Speaker 2: It's a tricky one. Usually I'm against the state banning

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Speaker 2: anything unnecessarily, and sometimes I think we go far too

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Speaker 2: far and expecting our politicians to step in for things

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Speaker 2: that parents should really be doing themselves. In this case, however,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, it is a collective action problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is my point with it. I think by setting

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Speaker 2: a standard right across the board. It means that parents

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Speaker 2: don't have to make that choice between worrying if their

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Speaker 2: child is being ostracized because the child's not able to

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Speaker 2: engage socially with their friends, and worrying about the harm

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Speaker 2: that social media is doing. Thank for your feedback. Ninety

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Speaker 2: two to ninety two is our text number if you

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Speaker 2: of those messages after ten o'clock this morning. As well

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Speaker 2: as that, we're going to tell you about the big

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Speaker 2: Apple launch. They had their big glitzy event this week,

723
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Speaker 2: announced another new iPhone that I don't know from my

724
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Speaker 2: speak of the very least, looked pretty similar to their

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Speaker 2: most recent iPhone. Surely not in this age of consumption.

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Speaker 2: Surely not. Just a new button, a new a new widget,

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Speaker 2: and a new two thousand dollars price tag will tell

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Speaker 2: you about the new product, though that's being hailed as

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Speaker 2: a hearing aid as well as that a feature interview

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Speaker 2: right after the ten o'clock news. Cannot wait for this one.

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Speaker 2: Troy Kingey on his creative journey to Joshua Tree in

732
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Speaker 2: the United States, the desert, the wide open skies in

733
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Speaker 2: an afternoon with magic Mushrooms News is next on Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday Mornings with

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Speaker 2: The Accidental What in a neyw Zealand you have a

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Speaker 2: jactaim on Newstalks z'db. This is Troy Kingy and you

739
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:31,253
Speaker 2: would have to say Troy Kingy is a man on

740
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Speaker 2: a mission. Ten albums and ten genres over ten years.

741
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Speaker 2: Throughout the project, Troy has carved a remarkable reputation for

742
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Speaker 2: musical versatility and talent. Last month, he released album number

743
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Speaker 2: eight in the ten ten ten project, Lea The Man

744
00:39:48,453 --> 00:39:52,333
Speaker 2: in the Mojave Green. Of course, a Stelle music reviewer

745
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:55,213
Speaker 2: on Saturday Mornings gave it ten out of ten. She

746
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:59,093
Speaker 2: reckons it was extraordinary, a rock album that has brought

747
00:39:59,133 --> 00:40:03,173
Speaker 2: Troy Kingy back to his roots. And now somehow, somehow,

748
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:05,733
Speaker 2: Troy is squeezing in a tour of New Zealand before

749
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Speaker 2: getting to work on the final two albums in his

750
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Speaker 2: ten ten ten series. And Troy is with us this morning.

751
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Speaker 2: Ah to Muddy Kilda, Good morning.

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Speaker 14: Ten ou queer Jack. Thank you for having men, Thank.

753
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Speaker 2: You for being here, I think we should talk process.

754
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Speaker 2: And I know that you're not the kind of guy

755
00:40:20,613 --> 00:40:23,693
Speaker 2: who likes to be too retrospective and think about the

756
00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:26,573
Speaker 2: past too much, But just for the sake of context,

757
00:40:26,653 --> 00:40:29,493
Speaker 2: can you talk us through the process for recording leather

758
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Speaker 2: Man in the Mahabi Green.

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Speaker 14: There's quite a big process. Obviously. The first part of

760
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Speaker 14: that is trying to find funding to get somewhere, and

761
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Speaker 14: we happened to record this album over in Joshua Tree

762
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Speaker 14: in LA So there was a lot of getting the

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Speaker 14: funds together to get over there. Luckily, we were able

764
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Speaker 14: to get Tom hern and Tofaki on board to film

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Speaker 14: this documentary and that essentially got us over there. So,

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Speaker 14: but the big impetus behind going over there was those

767
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Speaker 14: I don't know, I'm doing a ten ten ten series

768
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Speaker 14: where I'm trying to do ten albums in ten years,

769
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Speaker 14: ten different genres. This was number eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 14: When you try and put something like that in front

772
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Speaker 14: of you, you're gonna head a wall at some point.

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Speaker 14: And I feel like last year was that war. So

774
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:27,853
Speaker 14: going over to the desert was me trying to rekindle

775
00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:30,693
Speaker 14: the flame that got me into this industry in the

776
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Speaker 14: first place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Joshua Tree for people who don't know, California

778
00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 2: middle of the desert, like forty degrees every day. It

779
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Speaker 2: is dry. It is a super harsh environment, and there

780
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Speaker 2: is this amazing studio there Rancho de la Luna with

781
00:41:43,733 --> 00:41:47,893
Speaker 2: like Rancho of the Moon talk to us about that environment.

782
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I've known about this place for over two decades now.

783
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Speaker 14: One of my all time favorite bands, Queens of the

784
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:59,053
Speaker 14: Stone Age, recorded songs for the Death back there that

785
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Speaker 14: come out in two thousand and two. It's still my

786
00:42:02,173 --> 00:42:06,653
Speaker 14: favorite album to this day. So when Matt, who works

787
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Speaker 14: at the label I'm with, suggested we go over there,

788
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Speaker 14: I always thought it was just a pipe dream. But

789
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Speaker 14: actually standing there, you know Dave Catching who's also in

790
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Speaker 14: Queens of the Stone Age, who named Queens of the

791
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Speaker 14: stain Age, he runs the studio. So just being able

792
00:42:22,453 --> 00:42:25,293
Speaker 14: to sit with him and him to say, hey, Josh

793
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Speaker 14: use this guitar on the song, or Dave Grohl was

794
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Speaker 14: playing the exact same thing. You know, you can't help

795
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Speaker 14: but just get excited and inspired. So yeah, it's nothing amazing.

796
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Speaker 14: It doesn't look anything like it's no Abbey Road or

797
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Speaker 14: anything like that, but it's basically a house in the

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Speaker 14: middle of the desert with all these cool trinkets.

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Speaker 7: Just the way I like it.

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Speaker 14: It's super rough.

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Speaker 2: And ready, and so you went there seeking inspiration. Why

802
00:42:56,253 --> 00:42:58,173
Speaker 2: do you think you'd hit that block? Is it just

803
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Speaker 2: because you've been churning out so much stuff over the

804
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Speaker 2: last few years as part of the ten ten ten.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. I keep saying it's a creative block, but it's

806
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Speaker 14: probably be more. I'm still able to create a lot

807
00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:12,733
Speaker 14: of stuff, but I was just at a point where

808
00:43:12,773 --> 00:43:17,373
Speaker 14: I was questioning all my directions and back in the beginning,

809
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Speaker 14: I'll just write for the love of writing, and things

810
00:43:20,173 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 14: would just flow the way they flowed, and I felt

811
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Speaker 14: like I kind of lost that. So actually going back

812
00:43:27,173 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 14: to a genre or style that is probably the core

813
00:43:30,573 --> 00:43:34,253
Speaker 14: of who I am. It was timely. It was like

814
00:43:34,373 --> 00:43:39,773
Speaker 14: perfect timing and somewhere like that. It wasn't just the shootero,

815
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Speaker 14: it was the desert, it was the people. We had

816
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Speaker 14: a few cool experiences over there and it all just

817
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Speaker 14: culminated in what we have The man in the Mahavi Green.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of those cool experiences. And for

819
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Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen it, I cannot recommend Troy Kingy's

820
00:43:55,693 --> 00:43:59,173
Speaker 2: Desert hikoy on TVNZ plus enough because it's amazing. So

821
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Speaker 2: you went over the head out into the desert in

822
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night. That was that was pretty special.

823
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Speaker 2: But you really leaned into the search for inspiration because

824
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Speaker 2: you decided to do a cultural ceremony where you took psilocybin,

825
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Speaker 2: you took magic mushrooms. How was that.

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Speaker 14: I was quite anxious about it, actually because people will

827
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Speaker 14: listen to a few of my albums and think I'm

828
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Speaker 14: a super draggy dude when I'm very straight edge. You know,

829
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Speaker 14: I've got five kids. I got to be on the

830
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Speaker 14: ball all the time. So but I just wanted to

831
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Speaker 14: embrace everything, and especially Joshua Tree in the desert is

832
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Speaker 14: it goes in conjunction with that sort of thing trips

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Speaker 14: or psilocybin or whatever you want to call it. And

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Speaker 14: initially we were supposed to do ayahuasca and then one

835
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Speaker 14: of my friends is like, Oh, probably don't want to

836
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Speaker 14: do that straight out the bat. You probably want you know,

837
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Speaker 14: you want to train for like.

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Speaker 2: A few months.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it started a bit easier, and so they suggested

840
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Speaker 14: that we do mushrooms and I'd never done that before.

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Speaker 14: Didn't know what to.

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Speaker 15: Expect, and.

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Speaker 14: I can't quite recall a lot of that thing, but

844
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Speaker 14: I know it felt really good. And then all I

845
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:11,253
Speaker 14: know is the next morning I just woke up and

846
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Speaker 14: songs just started writing themselves at like five in the morning.

847
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Speaker 14: So I don't know what unblocked. But from that point

848
00:45:19,413 --> 00:45:21,533
Speaker 14: to the toil we got home, everything just seemed to

849
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:22,333
Speaker 14: flow really nice.

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Speaker 2: So it was like a creative river. That's the term

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Speaker 2: use it.

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Speaker 9: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Was it a scary thing to do up?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know how people do that, you know,

855
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:36,613
Speaker 14: like at festivals or out in the public. I'm just

856
00:45:36,693 --> 00:45:40,493
Speaker 14: glad that we had this nice, confined space with actual

857
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Speaker 14: experts that could help us go through that journey.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And I even said in the docker, I loved the experience.

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Speaker 14: I don't need to go back there for the time being,

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Speaker 14: but I love it for what it was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

863
00:45:55,613 --> 00:46:02,133
Speaker 2: Did you think there's something like a primal connection that

864
00:46:02,173 --> 00:46:04,413
Speaker 2: people have with being in the desert, because it's funny

865
00:46:04,573 --> 00:46:07,413
Speaker 2: like being from Alti or being Maldi, Like, we don't

866
00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:10,893
Speaker 2: really have a desert and experience here, right, But I

867
00:46:10,933 --> 00:46:14,253
Speaker 2: wonder if there's something like at an even kind of

868
00:46:14,293 --> 00:46:17,533
Speaker 2: deeper level something like really human or you know, there's

869
00:46:17,533 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 2: something kind of in our matter that connects us to those.

870
00:46:20,813 --> 00:46:23,973
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the insignificance of being in the desert. Did

871
00:46:23,973 --> 00:46:25,693
Speaker 2: you did you feel that kind of primal?

872
00:46:26,973 --> 00:46:32,533
Speaker 14: Definitely. We had another friend of mine, Mark Russell, who's

873
00:46:32,573 --> 00:46:36,813
Speaker 14: been documenting my journey for about sex or seven years actually,

874
00:46:37,813 --> 00:46:39,733
Speaker 14: and he would get up earlier as to see the

875
00:46:39,773 --> 00:46:42,613
Speaker 14: sunrise and then he'd go up before the sunset to

876
00:46:42,653 --> 00:46:46,453
Speaker 14: take photos and oh man, it's just a beautiful place.

877
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:48,213
Speaker 2: And you're right, it does.

878
00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:52,693
Speaker 14: Show you how insignificant you are in the greatest scheme

879
00:46:52,733 --> 00:46:56,533
Speaker 14: of things, and you were just flawed by the beauty

880
00:46:56,613 --> 00:47:00,733
Speaker 14: of the environment and you did go back to the

881
00:47:00,733 --> 00:47:03,093
Speaker 14: core of who you are, and it was it was

882
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:05,693
Speaker 14: all soul searching, all of that sort of thing. Without

883
00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:08,693
Speaker 14: having to try and soul search, you just were in

884
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:11,173
Speaker 14: a place that made you think that way.

885
00:47:12,093 --> 00:47:16,653
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have your fans reacted to the range of different

886
00:47:16,733 --> 00:47:20,053
Speaker 2: sounds that you've produced in the eight albums that you've

887
00:47:20,373 --> 00:47:22,213
Speaker 2: released under the ten ten ten so far?

888
00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:26,973
Speaker 14: I think I have an amazing fan base that are

889
00:47:27,053 --> 00:47:28,013
Speaker 14: kind of just with me.

890
00:47:28,133 --> 00:47:28,333
Speaker 3: Now.

891
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 14: I got people suggesting, like, what are you doing next?

892
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:32,933
Speaker 14: You're going to do a techno album or you're going

893
00:47:32,973 --> 00:47:37,373
Speaker 14: to do a death metal album. So right at the beginning,

894
00:47:37,413 --> 00:47:39,493
Speaker 14: I was a bit worried that I was going to

895
00:47:39,573 --> 00:47:42,253
Speaker 14: alienate my fan base. You know, they might love the

896
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:44,893
Speaker 14: reggae album and just say why don't you just stick

897
00:47:44,933 --> 00:47:48,853
Speaker 14: to that or the sole album. So once I got

898
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 14: to the album number four, I just like, oh, well we're

899
00:47:51,133 --> 00:47:53,933
Speaker 14: in this now. Yeah, you're either with me or you're not.

900
00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:56,453
Speaker 14: That's fine, but I'm going to do this thing. And

901
00:47:56,453 --> 00:47:59,013
Speaker 14: and I've got quite a loyal fan base, so that's

902
00:47:59,013 --> 00:47:59,573
Speaker 14: pretty cool.

903
00:47:59,613 --> 00:48:02,213
Speaker 2: And you said earlier that this feels like you're kind

904
00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:06,893
Speaker 2: of original sound in a sense of kind of desert rock. Yeah,

905
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:07,693
Speaker 2: it is that accurate.

906
00:48:08,093 --> 00:48:11,573
Speaker 14: Well, if you listen to my very first album, which

907
00:48:11,653 --> 00:48:16,333
Speaker 14: is probably more blues indie stuff, but there's definitely elements

908
00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:20,533
Speaker 14: of this. And you know, being a first album, everyone's

909
00:48:20,573 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 14: first album. They've had like however long to write that album,

910
00:48:24,293 --> 00:48:29,293
Speaker 14: so it's quite eclectic. But yeah, you definitely hear elements

911
00:48:29,293 --> 00:48:32,773
Speaker 14: of this. And just going back to that same with

912
00:48:32,813 --> 00:48:35,413
Speaker 14: my drummer, that's I found him when he was sixteen.

913
00:48:35,453 --> 00:48:37,813
Speaker 14: He was I was an itinerant teacher at high school

914
00:48:37,813 --> 00:48:39,373
Speaker 14: and he was in a band at school and that

915
00:48:39,573 --> 00:48:43,053
Speaker 14: was his style, and so I put him through the ringer,

916
00:48:43,333 --> 00:48:48,213
Speaker 14: you know, like playing folk and playing soul music and

917
00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:52,253
Speaker 14: then eighties synth pop, and then to finally just go

918
00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:56,413
Speaker 14: back to what he loved. Yeah, you could feel his

919
00:48:56,533 --> 00:49:00,613
Speaker 14: love for drumming again, you know. So yeah, it was

920
00:49:00,653 --> 00:49:02,173
Speaker 14: definitely a kind of homecoming.

921
00:49:02,373 --> 00:49:03,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, hip Hop's next day.

922
00:49:04,293 --> 00:49:05,173
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah it is.

923
00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:06,093
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

924
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:10,613
Speaker 14: I'm not too fair, I'm you know, I'm not I

925
00:49:10,773 --> 00:49:13,333
Speaker 14: might be rapping, but I've actually just put a call

926
00:49:13,373 --> 00:49:16,413
Speaker 14: out to all my friends in the industry and people

927
00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:19,413
Speaker 14: that I admire and asked if they want to be

928
00:49:19,493 --> 00:49:22,413
Speaker 14: part of it, and they all said yes, And we

929
00:49:22,453 --> 00:49:25,573
Speaker 14: go into the studio November. So we finished this tour

930
00:49:25,613 --> 00:49:27,653
Speaker 14: at the end of this month. I've got a few

931
00:49:27,693 --> 00:49:29,533
Speaker 14: things on next month and then we go straight and

932
00:49:29,613 --> 00:49:32,973
Speaker 14: so haven't got a lot of time for the turnaround.

933
00:49:33,053 --> 00:49:35,293
Speaker 2: But it's always the case though.

934
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:39,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, but it's all good because we're actually writing in

935
00:49:39,093 --> 00:49:41,613
Speaker 14: the studio. So each of the artists has a day

936
00:49:41,573 --> 00:49:44,373
Speaker 14: in the studio and I've given them a playlist and

937
00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:47,853
Speaker 14: asked what style are you leaning towards or were then

938
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:50,853
Speaker 14: around that, I'll like a soundscape that I'm looking for.

939
00:49:50,693 --> 00:49:53,573
Speaker 2: What artists would be most represented on the playlist.

940
00:49:56,373 --> 00:50:02,133
Speaker 14: I've got actually got a female EMC from Wellington mar

941
00:50:02,413 --> 00:50:05,413
Speaker 14: Is on it, and she she's the one who points

942
00:50:05,413 --> 00:50:09,373
Speaker 14: it out that it's pretty much much Polynesian bar Tom Scott,

943
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:11,853
Speaker 14: So yeah, cool, I'm just like, oh far, I don't

944
00:50:11,853 --> 00:50:12,653
Speaker 14: even think of that.

945
00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just my favorite scot Off home brow.

946
00:50:14,933 --> 00:50:15,733
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

947
00:50:15,773 --> 00:50:20,413
Speaker 14: So umm, I'm still yet to come up with the

948
00:50:20,453 --> 00:50:25,413
Speaker 14: overall theme for everyone to talk about. But yeah, it's

949
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:27,893
Speaker 14: a hard one because i probably want to talk about

950
00:50:28,453 --> 00:50:31,613
Speaker 14: politics or something to do with indigenous things, but I've

951
00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:33,573
Speaker 14: already done that in the past album, so I'm like,

952
00:50:33,733 --> 00:50:36,413
Speaker 14: what's another spin on that? So everyone just said just

953
00:50:36,453 --> 00:50:39,533
Speaker 14: take your time and figrid out and whatever it is,

954
00:50:39,573 --> 00:50:41,253
Speaker 14: they'll smash it. Doesn't know what it is.

955
00:50:41,493 --> 00:50:43,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I was reflecting on the ten ten

956
00:50:43,973 --> 00:50:46,373
Speaker 2: ten project the other day and in the ways that

957
00:50:47,973 --> 00:50:50,133
Speaker 2: like it forces you in some way. I mean it does.

958
00:50:50,173 --> 00:50:52,013
Speaker 2: It forces you to release music? Right, If you're going

959
00:50:52,053 --> 00:50:54,853
Speaker 2: to do ten albums, ten genres, ten years, then you're

960
00:50:54,893 --> 00:50:59,053
Speaker 2: forced to constantly be creating and are you familiar with this,

961
00:51:00,533 --> 00:51:03,613
Speaker 2: the kind of principle around creativity that the best way

962
00:51:03,653 --> 00:51:06,173
Speaker 2: to be creative is to put constraints on things.

963
00:51:06,413 --> 00:51:07,213
Speaker 14: One hundred percent.

964
00:51:07,253 --> 00:51:08,333
Speaker 2: Do you reckon on hundred percent?

965
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:11,533
Speaker 14: I feel like if I didn't have that, I don't

966
00:51:11,573 --> 00:51:13,413
Speaker 14: even know if I'd have an album out now. I'm

967
00:51:13,413 --> 00:51:16,173
Speaker 14: one of those ones that just needs a deadline, And

968
00:51:17,053 --> 00:51:18,973
Speaker 14: people say, do you feel like the quality is going

969
00:51:19,053 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 14: to dip? That you're pushing up so much content? And

970
00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:25,053
Speaker 14: I'm feeling like, if I had five years to write

971
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:27,573
Speaker 14: an album, I'd probably still write it the two weeks

972
00:51:27,653 --> 00:51:30,813
Speaker 14: leading into you know, so it doesn't really matter. So

973
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:35,293
Speaker 14: but that's always my thing is I need to be

974
00:51:35,893 --> 00:51:38,813
Speaker 14: proud of what I'm putting out. And that was one

975
00:51:38,853 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 14: thing right at the beginning. I don't want to just

976
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:41,773
Speaker 14: put it out for the hell of putting it out.

977
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:44,253
Speaker 14: I want to do my best with the time that

978
00:51:44,333 --> 00:51:44,653
Speaker 14: I have.

979
00:51:45,773 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 2: One last question, where do you get your clothes? Because

980
00:51:49,093 --> 00:51:52,933
Speaker 2: you have such amazing distinct style, and like seeing you

981
00:51:52,973 --> 00:51:55,133
Speaker 2: in the desert as well, I was like, damn, Troy's

982
00:51:55,293 --> 00:51:58,453
Speaker 2: looking amazing. But I'm not convinced that that's necessarily the coolest,

983
00:51:58,933 --> 00:52:01,933
Speaker 2: Like as in cold the coldest cut of clothes to

984
00:52:01,933 --> 00:52:04,093
Speaker 2: be wearing when it's forty degrees Where do you get

985
00:52:04,093 --> 00:52:04,733
Speaker 2: your clothes?

986
00:52:05,093 --> 00:52:09,213
Speaker 14: These particular ponchos that I've been wearing from a company

987
00:52:09,253 --> 00:52:12,533
Speaker 14: in Totoo called Tony Fayaja. I think it's a moldy

988
00:52:12,613 --> 00:52:15,613
Speaker 14: feller who married a woman from Chile.

989
00:52:15,773 --> 00:52:18,013
Speaker 2: That's where, yeah, it's come from.

990
00:52:18,053 --> 00:52:20,173
Speaker 14: But I've also got a designer who I work with

991
00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:24,053
Speaker 14: on the movie Toke, like five years ago, Lizzie Turner,

992
00:52:24,093 --> 00:52:29,493
Speaker 14: whose husband Jared is an actor, an amazing actor if

993
00:52:29,493 --> 00:52:31,253
Speaker 14: you've seen a couple of years ago. She made me

994
00:52:31,293 --> 00:52:35,573
Speaker 14: this bright silky green shirt green suit. Sorry for my

995
00:52:35,813 --> 00:52:39,813
Speaker 14: eightycenth pop. Last year she made that jacket, the cowboy

996
00:52:39,853 --> 00:52:41,533
Speaker 14: looking jacket that I was wearing in the desert. So

997
00:52:43,933 --> 00:52:47,613
Speaker 14: I basically just wear what I'm told. I also have

998
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:50,613
Speaker 14: Hill's Hats from Wellington, who's been making me hats for

999
00:52:50,613 --> 00:52:53,453
Speaker 14: the last five years. This hat actually the material for

1000
00:52:53,493 --> 00:52:55,613
Speaker 14: this hat from eighteen eighty.

1001
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:57,613
Speaker 2: WOA, so it's quite an old hat.

1002
00:52:58,453 --> 00:53:00,653
Speaker 14: He said, do you want an ancient relic of a hat?

1003
00:53:00,813 --> 00:53:02,413
Speaker 14: And I'm like yeah, So he made it for me

1004
00:53:02,613 --> 00:53:03,333
Speaker 14: a bit a month ago.

1005
00:53:03,493 --> 00:53:06,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, congratulations on leather Man in the Mahave Green.

1006
00:53:06,573 --> 00:53:08,413
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing his story with us, Thank you

1007
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:10,373
Speaker 2: for going on tour, and good luck for November when

1008
00:53:10,413 --> 00:53:11,253
Speaker 2: you're back in the studio.

1009
00:53:11,613 --> 00:53:13,333
Speaker 14: Thank you so much, Bro, appreciate it.

1010
00:53:15,373 --> 00:53:18,573
Speaker 2: That is Troy Kingey. His tour details are going to

1011
00:53:18,573 --> 00:53:21,333
Speaker 2: be up and available on the News talks heb website,

1012
00:53:21,453 --> 00:53:24,533
Speaker 2: leather Man and the Mojave Green is his latest album.

1013
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:27,733
Speaker 2: It is absolutely fantastic. So if you haven't had to

1014
00:53:27,773 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 2: listen yet, make sure you do. Two albums to go

1015
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:34,413
Speaker 2: and his ten ten ten project. Right now, it's twenty

1016
00:53:34,453 --> 00:53:35,413
Speaker 2: one minutes past ten.

1017
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:39,973
Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack

1018
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:43,453
Speaker 1: Team and bpuret dot code on INZD for high quality

1019
00:53:43,493 --> 00:53:45,173
Speaker 1: supplements used talk SEDB.

1020
00:53:45,413 --> 00:53:47,493
Speaker 2: Get a Jack, get a Troy, Troy Talk. My kids

1021
00:53:47,493 --> 00:53:50,173
Speaker 2: at Ketty Kitty High School. Much loved teacher. We love

1022
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:53,533
Speaker 2: his music and is acting. Yeah, he's an amazing talent,

1023
00:53:53,573 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 2: isn't he? Jeff, thank you for that great interview. Jack

1024
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:58,533
Speaker 2: as Troy touring this weekend. Sure is he is playing

1025
00:53:58,693 --> 00:54:02,813
Speaker 2: in christ Church tonight or TOTUCKI at Loon's. I think

1026
00:54:02,853 --> 00:54:04,813
Speaker 2: that's sold out though, so you might have to hit

1027
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:06,053
Speaker 2: up one of your mates. They've got to be a

1028
00:54:06,053 --> 00:54:11,813
Speaker 2: ticket This Thursday, Todunger Friday, Hamilton, next Saturday the Kabana

1029
00:54:11,933 --> 00:54:15,693
Speaker 2: in Napier and then Sunday in Gisbon at Smash Palace.

1030
00:54:15,773 --> 00:54:17,853
Speaker 2: All of those details will be on the news talks

1031
00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:19,253
Speaker 2: He'd be website. If you want to get in touch,

1032
00:54:19,293 --> 00:54:21,893
Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two is our text number. It is

1033
00:54:22,013 --> 00:54:24,933
Speaker 2: screen timetime on your Saturday morning and Chris Schultz is

1034
00:54:24,973 --> 00:54:27,893
Speaker 2: in with us this week. Get a Chris Jody Jack

1035
00:54:27,933 --> 00:54:30,173
Speaker 2: here you going. I'm really well, thank you and I'm

1036
00:54:30,213 --> 00:54:33,573
Speaker 2: super excited for the latest series of Slow Horses on

1037
00:54:33,693 --> 00:54:37,693
Speaker 2: Apple TV Plus starring Gary Oldman. Tell us about Slow Horses.

1038
00:54:38,133 --> 00:54:40,573
Speaker 16: Only you'd like this. I just felt like this as

1039
00:54:40,613 --> 00:54:43,773
Speaker 16: a show that you would get into. It's about spies

1040
00:54:43,853 --> 00:54:48,053
Speaker 16: in the UK Right five, the super secret spy agency

1041
00:54:48,173 --> 00:54:50,813
Speaker 16: that none of us really know much about. But it's

1042
00:54:50,853 --> 00:54:54,773
Speaker 16: not about the real spies. It's about the outcast and misfits,

1043
00:54:54,853 --> 00:54:57,973
Speaker 16: the rejects, the spies that have done something bad in

1044
00:54:58,013 --> 00:55:00,533
Speaker 16: the field and they get sent to do penance in

1045
00:55:00,613 --> 00:55:05,013
Speaker 16: this rundown office which is overseen by Gary Oldman and

1046
00:55:05,133 --> 00:55:09,293
Speaker 16: has won and only TV role which he is absolutely relishing.

1047
00:55:09,453 --> 00:55:11,733
Speaker 16: You can sort of see him here. He plays Jackson Lamb,

1048
00:55:11,813 --> 00:55:16,573
Speaker 16: the boss of these these spies, and he's like, he's overweight,

1049
00:55:16,933 --> 00:55:20,413
Speaker 16: he drinks, he smokes, he's you know, the word slovenly

1050
00:55:20,693 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 16: was created to describe him. He you can almost smell

1051
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:27,533
Speaker 16: him coming off the screen. But the irony is he's

1052
00:55:27,613 --> 00:55:30,613
Speaker 16: he's really good at his job. He loves these these

1053
00:55:31,013 --> 00:55:33,693
Speaker 16: these outcast cities in charge of and so every season

1054
00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:37,373
Speaker 16: they sort of find themselves wrapped up in sort of

1055
00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:40,613
Speaker 16: redeeming themselves. It's one of these kind of old school

1056
00:55:41,093 --> 00:55:43,453
Speaker 16: TV shows. I feel like it kind of turns up

1057
00:55:43,453 --> 00:55:46,333
Speaker 16: for six episodes every year and it just does the goods.

1058
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:49,693
Speaker 16: It delivers every time. This season is no different. The

1059
00:55:49,773 --> 00:55:52,853
Speaker 16: quality is right up there, and they're exploring some really

1060
00:55:52,933 --> 00:55:57,653
Speaker 16: interesting scenes, including one of the spies granddads, who's suffering

1061
00:55:57,693 --> 00:56:00,693
Speaker 16: dementia and so what do you do with elderly spy

1062
00:56:00,853 --> 00:56:05,853
Speaker 16: who is loising his mind and could give away trade secrets?

1063
00:56:05,893 --> 00:56:10,933
Speaker 16: That's ripe territory. So yeah, this would I think be

1064
00:56:11,053 --> 00:56:12,933
Speaker 16: the best show on TV right now if it wasn't

1065
00:56:12,973 --> 00:56:16,053
Speaker 16: for industry. I'm not surprised.

1066
00:56:16,093 --> 00:56:16,493
Speaker 9: You love it.

1067
00:56:16,653 --> 00:56:20,213
Speaker 2: I love it? Yeah, Yeah, And No, Slow Horses is exceptional.

1068
00:56:20,253 --> 00:56:24,653
Speaker 2: So that's on Apple TV. Plus screening on Neon tell

1069
00:56:24,733 --> 00:56:27,213
Speaker 2: Us about wise guy David Chase in The Sopranos.

1070
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:31,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, speaking of quality TV, I think we all

1071
00:56:31,453 --> 00:56:35,213
Speaker 16: consider The Sopranos to be one of, if not the

1072
00:56:35,253 --> 00:56:38,413
Speaker 16: best show's ever made. This ran from ninety ninety nine

1073
00:56:38,413 --> 00:56:41,093
Speaker 16: to two thousand and seven, and it's sort of got

1074
00:56:41,493 --> 00:56:46,973
Speaker 16: a bit of another wave of support, if you like.

1075
00:56:47,093 --> 00:56:49,333
Speaker 16: During Lockdown, I feel like everyone was watching it again

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Speaker 16: and yeah, they've decided it's time for a documentary on it.

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Speaker 16: This isn't just like a rah rah, look how great

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Speaker 16: the show was documentary. This is diving in deep. It's

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Speaker 16: the director Alex Giveney, one of the greatest documentary makers

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Speaker 16: of our time, and he doesn't really clever Harry. He

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Speaker 16: recreates doctor Malfie's office and he sits David Chase, the

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Speaker 16: creator of The Sopranos, down in it, and he puts

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Speaker 16: them through exactly what Tony Soprano went through for.

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Speaker 4: All those years.

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Speaker 16: He makes them dive into the creation of the show,

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Speaker 16: like why he made it. It turns out he was

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Speaker 16: just trying to make a show about his mum that

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00:57:26,173 --> 00:57:28,453
Speaker 16: had nothing to do with the mob, but he thought,

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Speaker 16: you know what if I added some bad guys into

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Speaker 16: it and it evolved from there. But yeah, there's a

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Speaker 16: lot of big reveals in this two part documentary. They

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Speaker 16: talk a lot about James Gandalfini, who obviously was in

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Speaker 16: almost every sing of the Sopranos. He was the Sopranos,

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Speaker 16: and just how much he struggled with it. He wasn't

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Speaker 16: built for the fame, he wasn't built to handle it,

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Speaker 16: and so he would sort of disappear for days on end.

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Speaker 16: They talk about drugs and alcohol abuse. They held an

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Speaker 16: intervention for him at one point, and they talk about

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Speaker 16: how he prepared for those really violent scenes and so

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00:58:06,653 --> 00:58:09,213
Speaker 16: we'd put rocks in his shoes, or down six cups

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00:58:09,213 --> 00:58:11,693
Speaker 16: of coffee or even bang his head on a wall.

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Speaker 16: That's how It's how Farry took it. So yeah, this

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Speaker 16: is I mean, this is great. I reckon, we'll probably

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Speaker 16: see more of these. I wouldn't be surprised them for

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Speaker 16: like six feet under or the wire or the office,

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Speaker 16: you know, those big totems.

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Speaker 2: Kind of inside. Yeah, right, that's very interesting. So that's

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Speaker 2: wise Guy David Chase and the Sopranos It's on Neon

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00:58:31,453 --> 00:58:34,813
Speaker 2: and on tvn Z one and tvn Z plus Location, Location,

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Speaker 2: Location end Z.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, a lot of surprised we're finally rebooting this UK

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Speaker 16: hits for New Zealand. We're all obsessed with house prizes,

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Speaker 16: especially here in Auckland's. This has been on the air

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Speaker 16: in the UK for forty one season since the year

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00:58:51,973 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 16: two thousand. We're finally doing our own version. It's a

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00:58:55,613 --> 00:58:58,453
Speaker 16: show where it's pretty simple. They find people looking to

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00:58:58,453 --> 00:59:02,013
Speaker 16: buy houses and they try and find them their dream home.

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Speaker 16: You know, there's there's there's a lot of talk all

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Speaker 16: those clichos, the forever home, dream home. The hosts real

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Speaker 16: estate agents, but they're also quite familiar TV faces. It's

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Speaker 16: James Keeley who hosted My de Sceen Dream Home, Paul Glover,

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Speaker 16: who is actually a comedy actor from one of my

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Speaker 16: favorite local shows, Educators. So they sort of just take

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Speaker 16: a couples or people who are looking to buy houses

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Speaker 16: around to see if they can find them a home

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Speaker 16: they want. It's based in Auckland and I feel like

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00:59:34,613 --> 00:59:38,973
Speaker 16: that's the only point here where house prizes are quite

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Speaker 16: far out of reach for many people. And one of

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Speaker 16: the couples in this first episode is spending over a

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Speaker 16: million dollars on their first house, which is a hell

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Speaker 16: of a lot of money, and there's no sort of

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Speaker 16: time to dive into why that's the case and how

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00:59:52,573 --> 00:59:55,693
Speaker 16: we got there. It's sort of like, you know, look

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Speaker 16: at the third bedroom in the second bathroom and the

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Speaker 16: deck and that kind of stuff. So if you're into

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Speaker 16: like property porn, then you know grand designs that kind

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Speaker 16: of thing, you'll love it. But I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 16: a few people come across this and sorry their coffee

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Speaker 16: cups at the TV.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, Chris. That's location, Location, Location

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Speaker 2: end z Edit's on TV and Z Plus and tvn

1142
01:00:16,093 --> 01:00:19,213
Speaker 2: Z one. Slow Horses is on Apple TV plus. Wise

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01:00:19,253 --> 01:00:21,813
Speaker 2: Guy David Chasing the Sopranos is on Neon.

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Speaker 7: Getting your Weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: This is This is Toy. You're a cosmic collision of soul,

1147
01:00:53,573 --> 01:00:56,733
Speaker 2: funk and pop with a classic Wellington story. So the

1148
01:00:56,773 --> 01:00:59,093
Speaker 2: crew met at Jazz School and you might have heard

1149
01:00:59,093 --> 01:01:01,253
Speaker 2: of them earlier this year. They pend a funky little

1150
01:01:01,293 --> 01:01:05,893
Speaker 2: anthem to lift altiors Olympic team ain't just dreaming and

1151
01:01:05,933 --> 01:01:09,013
Speaker 2: it feats Olympians Elise Andrews on backing vocals and Max

1152
01:01:09,053 --> 01:01:12,413
Speaker 2: Brown on guitar. Toy often talk about their love for

1153
01:01:12,493 --> 01:01:15,813
Speaker 2: Kiwi music, the inspiration they find right here at home,

1154
01:01:15,893 --> 01:01:18,813
Speaker 2: bands like that, Freddy's, The Black Seeds and Cora, and

1155
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Speaker 2: it really shows and the music they create it it's

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Speaker 2: kind of got a real Dubbi vibe, which is cool.

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Speaker 2: And they've just released a new album which they say

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01:01:26,853 --> 01:01:29,613
Speaker 2: has a good sprinkle of soul and funk thrown in

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Speaker 2: as well. So we're gonna have a bit of a

1160
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Speaker 2: listen to Toy's new album Waves after eleven o'clock this morning.

1161
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Speaker 2: Our music reviewer will give us her thoughts on that

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01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:40,373
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, it sounds cool. They and quite

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Speaker 2: distinctly Keyweed, so looking forward to listening to that. It is,

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Speaker 2: of course Twicky or Ted l Maudi. I thought I

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Speaker 2: would just give us a phrase. This is a really

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Speaker 2: simple phrase that I've been using lately, which I think

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01:01:51,773 --> 01:01:54,533
Speaker 2: is a great one if you've got kids, especially or grandkids.

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Speaker 2: So after every day when we pick up our boy

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Speaker 2: from school, I always say to him here are ha

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Speaker 2: or Pineing or Ted are how a ha? Which means

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Speaker 2: what or which means you also hair aha or Payinger

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Speaker 2: good things or teta. So it kind of means like,

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Speaker 2: what were your highlights of the day, all paying or tetra.

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Speaker 2: I always ask him that after school. So yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you are learning a phrase or two forteer wiki or

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Speaker 2: toda l Marti, that could be a good one for you.

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Speaker 2: Here Hau or Payinger or tetra. Before eleven o'clock, we're

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Speaker 2: going to catch up with our money man, Ed McKnight.

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01:02:29,013 --> 01:02:31,293
Speaker 2: He's been looking at interest rates in the ocr doing

1180
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Speaker 2: some maths. He's been pulling out the excel worksheets, looking

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Speaker 2: at the average house price in New Zealand, the average

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Speaker 2: price of investment properties, the average wage, and he's got

1183
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Speaker 2: some interesting stats on what he thinks the investment market

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Speaker 2: might do in the coming months and years. So looking

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Speaker 2: forward to catching up with him. Next up our text

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Speaker 2: Burt Is in twenty four to eleven, you've a jack

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Speaker 2: tame on Newstalks. He'd be sat entertain the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: There was one Olympic story that came out of nowhere

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Speaker 17: for a lot of us, who was Hamish Curre of course,

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Speaker 17: Suddenly seemingly out of no where, we had the best

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Speaker 17: high jumper in the world. He was going to be

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Speaker 17: competing in Belgium apparently, but he said night bugger, it

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Speaker 17: need to come and see Mike. So he has and

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Speaker 17: he's what.

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Speaker 2: I did athletics at a club at a young age,

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Speaker 2: and highjump was always the event that I was the

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Speaker 2: best at. I think the thing for me was every

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Speaker 2: year I just got a little bit more serious, and

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Speaker 2: then obviously last fe years I've been pretty serious.

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Speaker 17: I can't remember the name of the term. So you'd

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01:03:20,093 --> 01:03:22,253
Speaker 17: start with the scissors. What's the one where you rolled

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Speaker 17: forward over.

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Speaker 2: That would be called the Western role.

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Speaker 17: So occasionally we got into the Western role because the

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Speaker 17: height was too high for the scissors age mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 17: Jaguar Space used Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two to eleven on news Talk d B. Apple

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Speaker 2: had its big glitzy launch event this week. Our textbert

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Speaker 2: Paul Stenhouse had his eye on the various new products

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Speaker 2: being announced that I don't know, Paul. My sense was that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were all nice, but they were just in kind

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Speaker 2: of like little, you know, small improvements on products that

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Speaker 2: already exist. Is that fair?

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Speaker 12: Like they launched a new phone. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 2: Like, no, wasn't enough? Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 12: Do you know what did catch my eye though?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Apple released a hearing aid.

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Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that is cool. It is cool. They were Yeah, they.

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Speaker 5: Were waiting on FDA approval and we found out today

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Speaker 5: they got that FDA approval, which makes it the first

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Speaker 5: over the counter hearing aid software device. And I think

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Speaker 5: this is a really big deal, huge deal. These stats

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Speaker 5: had that one point five billion people around the world

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Speaker 5: have some form of hearing loss, according to the World

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Speaker 5: Health Organization. There's quite a few people and maybe some

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Speaker 5: people that you know, you were embarrassed to go and

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Speaker 5: get tested. There's like a stigma attached to having a

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Speaker 5: hearing aid.

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Speaker 12: There shouldn't be, obviously, but there is.

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Speaker 5: And I think that this goes a really long way

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Speaker 5: about normalizing the process of one going and getting your

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Speaker 5: hearing tested because with their new epod Protus, you can

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Speaker 5: do a hearing test.

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Speaker 12: At home, in the comfort of your own home, with

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Speaker 12: your headphones on.

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Speaker 5: And their study also found for one point five billion

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Speaker 5: people have hearing loss, seventy five percent of people actually diagnosed, yeah,

1242
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Speaker 5: haven't received any of the help that they should, right

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01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:18,213
Speaker 5: so now you can do the test at home, find

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Speaker 5: out about it, and you can also use your earpod

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Speaker 5: pro towos to actually be a hearing aid and we're

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Speaker 5: talking a medical.

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Speaker 12: Grade hearing aid here, Jack.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: The test you get actually gives you the same audiogram,

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Speaker 5: the same information that you would get at the hearing

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01:05:34,853 --> 01:05:37,973
Speaker 5: that you're hearing doctor's office, and then it uses that

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01:05:38,053 --> 01:05:42,653
Speaker 5: information to then basically create a profile inside your earpod

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Speaker 5: protos that will boost the highs or the lows or

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Speaker 5: the mids or decrease them or whatever it is that

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Speaker 5: you need in order to hear, and will do that

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Speaker 5: all by itself in the palm of your hand, which

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Speaker 5: is rather incredible. So if you do struggle with listening

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Speaker 5: to people, or you struggle hearing things going on in

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Speaker 5: your environment, your ear pods.

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Speaker 12: That typically also have noise canceling for and you use

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Speaker 12: to listen to.

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Speaker 5: Music, they can now also help you hear conversations and

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Speaker 5: the things around you.

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Speaker 12: I think that's tech for good. I think that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It is very cool. That is very cool for keen

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Speaker 2: watches of Ai technology. Open Ai has announced a new

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Speaker 2: upgrade that means AI can reason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually think this could be a new phase

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Speaker 5: of AI, which is a big step forward. If you've

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Speaker 5: ever played with CHET, GPT or any of the others,

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Speaker 5: it gives you an answer really fast, and sometimes that

1272
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Speaker 5: answer can feel a.

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Speaker 12: Little bit rushed.

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Speaker 5: What this allows it to do is to basically go

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Speaker 5: away and think for a bit, which is rather complex

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01:06:48,093 --> 01:06:52,213
Speaker 5: because it can think now in a series of stages

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Speaker 5: and can think basically more human like to solve multi

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Speaker 5: step problems. So I will think about, well, that would

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Speaker 5: be an issue, but then that would be a cause

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Speaker 5: of effect, and then that would be a problem.

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Speaker 12: It can actually now start to think about this.

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Speaker 5: It's a little slower, it's significantly more expensive to access.

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Speaker 12: But do you want to hear how scary this is?

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Speaker 9: Jack?

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Speaker 2: And for you? Yeah? Gone?

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Speaker 7: So did you know.

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Speaker 5: There's an International Mathematics Olympiad the mass Olympics, if you will,

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Speaker 5: and to qualify the current best or the previously best

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Speaker 5: GPT at CHET GPT four to zero model scored a

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Speaker 5: thirteen percent to go to that test, So then there'sn't

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Speaker 5: very good.

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Speaker 2: Right, You're probably going to get in yeah, the.

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Speaker 5: New model eighty three percent in an online coding competition.

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Speaker 12: So doing like coding problems and trying to solve hard things.

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Speaker 5: This new model got into the eighty nine percent tile

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Speaker 5: of participants. The next model they think will be able

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Speaker 5: to perform at PhD level for the types of things

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Speaker 5: that we solve with the best minds in physics, chemistry

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Speaker 5: and biology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 12: I said it was the next phase. It kind of feels.

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Speaker 2: Like that is very very soon. Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yes, and it's a big step up PhD level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, PhD level. Yeah, that's crazy, absolutely crazy. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Stenhouse talking Money

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Speaker 2: next on Newstalk's EDB seventeen minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 7: It's a no bit of way to kick off your

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Speaker 7: weekend than with Jack.

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01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:29,733
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack team and vpew it dot co

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Speaker 1: dot nz for high Quality Supplements us Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Quarter to eleven, Non newstalks 'b our Money Man Ed

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01:08:35,973 --> 01:08:36,893
Speaker 2: mcnight is in the house.

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01:08:36,973 --> 01:08:38,293
Speaker 4: Go to ed get a Jack.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been looking at

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01:08:40,053 --> 01:08:42,973
Speaker 2: the OCI, keeping an eye on interest rates and thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe if the property market is going to start turning

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01:08:45,653 --> 01:08:48,533
Speaker 2: sometime soon, it could be time to look at an

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Speaker 2: investment property. Do you reckon. That is a phenomenon that's

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Speaker 2: occurring right now.

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Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of people thinking about it,

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Speaker 6: and one of the reasons is because of that interplay

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Speaker 6: between interest rates and house prices. I think a lot

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01:09:00,653 --> 01:09:03,613
Speaker 6: of people are saying, well, if interest rates are really

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Speaker 6: going to start plumassing over the next year, maybe I

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01:09:07,293 --> 01:09:09,933
Speaker 6: need to get in now, because then house prices might

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Speaker 6: go up. But then a really interesting question is, well,

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Speaker 6: if I'm the average New Zealander, how many investment properties?

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Speaker 6: If I want to buy rental properties, how many could

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Speaker 6: I potentially buy? And the trouble is, it's no use

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Speaker 6: looking at people who started investing twenty years ago or

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Speaker 6: thirty years ago and now own ten investment properties or

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Speaker 6: five investment properties, because the banks have changed all of

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Speaker 6: their lending rules. Twenty years ago, the Reserve Bank didn't

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Speaker 6: have LVR restrictions, they didn't have detail restrictions. But of

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Speaker 6: course house prices are much more expensive these days, and

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Speaker 6: so this all kick started a little bit of a journey.

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Speaker 6: It's an interesting story where I started looking at people

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Speaker 6: who compete in Microsoft Excel competitions, because this is a

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Speaker 6: real thing, jackets, and it's an e sport these.

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Speaker 2: Days, and they're crazy how good they are.

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Speaker 6: Ah, And the good news is there are a number

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Speaker 6: of New Zealanders who actually do quite well in these competitions.

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01:10:06,373 --> 01:10:08,973
Speaker 6: So I called them up and I said, well, could

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Speaker 6: you build me a spreadsheet to kind of answer this

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01:10:11,453 --> 01:10:14,733
Speaker 6: based on today's lending policy, all of the rules, today's

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Speaker 6: house prices, and of course house prices are getting more expensive,

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Speaker 6: incomes going up, all of these sorts of things. How

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Speaker 6: many investment properties could someone, say, earning eighty grand a year,

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Speaker 6: or a couple earning eighty grand a year each, how

1350
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Speaker 6: many investment properties could they buy over the next fifteen years?

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Speaker 6: And it's quite fascinating. The answer is two to three

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01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:37,333
Speaker 6: pretty comfortably over the next fifteen years. And the average income,

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01:10:37,453 --> 01:10:39,893
Speaker 6: average household income is about one hundred and sixty k

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Speaker 6: in Auckland, so that'd be pretty reasonable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so just break us down a couple

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Speaker 2: of things. So is that assuming that they own their

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Speaker 2: house already?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, assuming you've got a house already, right, and that

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Speaker 6: you're not mortgaged totally up to the eyeballs, right, If

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Speaker 6: you had the average house in New Zealand, which median

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Speaker 6: sale price is seven hundred and seventy k average mortgage

1362
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Speaker 6: is actually quite surprisingly low. Jack, three hundred and nine

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Speaker 6: k is the average mortgage, right, And if you're on

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Speaker 6: the average household income in New Zealand two to three properties,

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Speaker 6: if your incomes higher but higher than that, if your

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Speaker 6: mortgage is larger, then that number would be a little

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Speaker 6: bit smaller, right.

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Speaker 2: So, and that's presuming that the investment properties are the

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Speaker 2: average house price as well.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 6: In this case, I've actually gone for a slightly lower figure.

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Speaker 6: I'm starting out with the house price being about five

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01:11:26,413 --> 01:11:28,613
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty k, which would be a good entry

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Speaker 6: level investment property. Just bearing in mind that typically property

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Speaker 6: investors won't buy the average house price. They'll typically buy

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Speaker 6: something a little bit on the more affordable side.

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Speaker 2: Right Okay, yeah, yeah, so and often if you know,

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01:11:43,173 --> 01:11:46,613
Speaker 2: in our cities we're seeing much more intensification and things

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Speaker 2: that could mean a townhouse, an apartment something like that

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's quite interesting. I think, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: were to just ask a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 2: pick some random person off the street and said, looking

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Speaker 2: at the average numbers across the board, how many investment

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Speaker 2: properties could you potentially invest in with the settings as

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Speaker 2: they are, I think people would have said two to three.

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Speaker 2: I think that would have come as a bit of

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Speaker 2: a surprise. But of course that does take some financial

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Speaker 2: and budgeting discipline right.

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Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, And it's assuming you do in the right

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Speaker 6: things at the right time, that you're not having an

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Speaker 6: extra baby than you already are right now, because if

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Speaker 6: you're taking maternity or opportunity leave, that decreases your income.

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Speaker 6: If you're taking out an extra higher purchase at Harvey

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Speaker 6: normatal bias the T set, that means you've got more

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Speaker 6: debt that's going to bring that number down slightly. So

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of assumptions in it, but it's a

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Speaker 6: pretty good ballpark to say, well, what could I actually do?

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Speaker 6: And the other thing that's really difficult to forecast, or

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Speaker 6: had been in the past, was that if you buy

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Speaker 6: investment property over time, the house value is likely to

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Speaker 6: go up. On top of that, the rental income is

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01:12:53,693 --> 01:12:56,133
Speaker 6: likely to go up, and those things help you then

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Speaker 6: purchase your next investment property. Right and so because you

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Speaker 6: get that compounding effect the more properties you own, that

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Speaker 6: in the past has been hard to see.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating. How would you go in one of those

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Speaker 2: Excel competitions you can.

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Speaker 4: Ed God.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, Jack, I have met in the match

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01:13:13,493 --> 01:13:17,933
Speaker 6: with these guys. They are absolutely extraordinary. I would not

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01:13:18,093 --> 01:13:20,173
Speaker 6: do too well. But one thing I have been doing

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01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:22,453
Speaker 6: to get better as I talk a lot to my

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01:13:22,573 --> 01:13:26,293
Speaker 6: new friend chat gpt to write me complex formulas.

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Speaker 2: That's very good. I hadn't thought about using chat GPT

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01:13:30,213 --> 01:13:33,333
Speaker 2: for that. That's very that's very smart, that's cunning. Yeah,

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01:13:33,453 --> 01:13:36,613
Speaker 2: I can only remember about two or three formulas when

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01:13:36,653 --> 01:13:38,453
Speaker 2: I'm using Excel, you know, I always have to then

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01:13:38,493 --> 01:13:40,133
Speaker 2: go and google it by the by which time I

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01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:43,253
Speaker 2: sort of defeated the purpose of you know, using being

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Speaker 2: efficient by having a by having a sweadsheet. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a great idea.

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Speaker 6: Go and use your chat GPT. Soon you'll be one

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Speaker 6: of these competitions as well, Chack.

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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure about that. But yeah, hey, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, Ed. You have a great weekend.

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Speaker 4: See you, Jack.

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01:13:57,093 --> 01:13:59,893
Speaker 2: That is our money man, Ed McKnight. Okay, quick pop quiz.

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01:14:00,373 --> 01:14:04,853
Speaker 2: Can you recycle the following items? The lid off a

1431
01:14:04,933 --> 01:14:07,453
Speaker 2: milk bottle? Do you think you can recycle? What about

1432
01:14:07,453 --> 01:14:10,253
Speaker 2: the lid off an ice cream container? Okay, some of

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01:14:10,293 --> 01:14:12,693
Speaker 2: these answers might surprise you. We're going to catch up

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Speaker 2: with our sustainability commentator after eleven o'clock this morning, who

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Speaker 2: is horrified at some of the things that people are

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Speaker 2: trying to recycle At the moment, right now, it is

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Speaker 2: nine minutes to eleven. Check team, and I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: to see some.

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01:14:24,653 --> 01:14:28,293
Speaker 1: Great gardening with Steel Sharp don't less their biggest spring

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01:14:28,413 --> 01:14:29,013
Speaker 1: sale ever.

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01:14:29,253 --> 01:14:32,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, man in the gardener's roode climb past Kilda.

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01:14:31,813 --> 01:14:35,053
Speaker 3: Road, Kyoda Jack and he is in the garden actually

1443
01:14:35,133 --> 01:14:38,933
Speaker 3: because it's finally clearing up on this wonderful winter's day.

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01:14:39,133 --> 01:14:41,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a busy time of year. It is

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01:14:41,333 --> 01:14:43,253
Speaker 2: a busy time of year. I know it's been chilly

1446
01:14:43,253 --> 01:14:44,773
Speaker 2: and weet, wee you are, I know it's been pretty

1447
01:14:44,813 --> 01:14:46,933
Speaker 2: wintery in parts of the country. But you're recommending to

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01:14:47,013 --> 01:14:50,413
Speaker 2: us this morning some of your favorite tools for getting

1449
01:14:50,413 --> 01:14:51,893
Speaker 2: your hands dirty at this time of year.

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01:14:52,653 --> 01:14:53,653
Speaker 9: Well, there's a couple of.

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01:14:53,533 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 3: Things that you know most most gardeners that have been

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01:14:56,013 --> 01:14:58,573
Speaker 3: doing this for ages. No, for instance, what a trenching

1453
01:14:58,693 --> 01:15:01,573
Speaker 3: spade is. And trenching spade is one of those thinner

1454
01:15:02,053 --> 01:15:04,893
Speaker 3: narrow space that it's quite long, but The cool thing

1455
01:15:04,973 --> 01:15:08,373
Speaker 3: is it digs quickly and deeply, and it makes wonderful

1456
01:15:08,493 --> 01:15:12,293
Speaker 3: straight If you're like a tree, places where you can

1457
01:15:12,293 --> 01:15:13,893
Speaker 3: plant trees, trenches, that's the word.

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01:15:13,933 --> 01:15:15,413
Speaker 9: Yeah, where you can plant your trees.

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01:15:15,573 --> 01:15:17,293
Speaker 3: So that I don't really want to talk too much

1460
01:15:17,333 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 3: about it, just saying this is something that really saves

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01:15:20,373 --> 01:15:22,373
Speaker 3: your back and your arthritis.

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Speaker 9: I can tell you that for free. So that's number one.

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01:15:25,573 --> 01:15:28,133
Speaker 9: Number two weeding, if you want to talk about weeding implements.

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Speaker 3: Everybody will know what a hole is, but there is

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01:15:31,813 --> 01:15:35,093
Speaker 3: a fabulous one that I got from a Dutch guy

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01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:37,773
Speaker 3: that I met at the Meggis. No, not the Meggis,

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Speaker 3: the garden festivals, you know the stuff there Elleslie garden

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Speaker 3: shows and Meggie was theirs too, and that was yap snah.

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Speaker 9: Boy.

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Speaker 3: He has a hole from the Netherlands that you can

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Speaker 3: get in New Zealand, which he calls the Royal Hole,

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01:15:52,373 --> 01:15:55,533
Speaker 3: and it has a wonderful pool head on it, but

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01:15:55,613 --> 01:15:59,933
Speaker 3: also a three timed other side that you can actually

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01:15:59,973 --> 01:16:02,773
Speaker 3: cut literally down to the roots of all your weeds.

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Speaker 9: This is fabulous stuff.

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01:16:05,653 --> 01:16:10,013
Speaker 3: I mean, if it's not terribly cheap or anything, but boy,

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Speaker 3: they work for decades and work.

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01:16:12,213 --> 01:16:14,093
Speaker 2: So just to explain this again, So you've got the

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01:16:14,093 --> 01:16:16,893
Speaker 2: traditional hole on one side and then on the other side,

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01:16:16,933 --> 01:16:19,693
Speaker 2: it's like one of the three fingered implements, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: That's right?

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01:16:20,413 --> 01:16:22,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that goes deep into the soil and takes all

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01:16:23,013 --> 01:16:26,133
Speaker 3: the roots out that you don't want there of the weeds, and.

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01:16:26,053 --> 01:16:27,693
Speaker 9: This is the good So you turn it over where

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Speaker 9: you go. Excellent stuff.

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01:16:29,573 --> 01:16:33,213
Speaker 3: Nice number three And we've talked about this before. Actually

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Speaker 3: people ask me a lot also on Sunday morning, how

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01:16:36,013 --> 01:16:38,293
Speaker 3: do you cut these blinking flex leaves that.

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Speaker 9: Constantly go over the drive.

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Speaker 3: So the Japanese have invented the sharpest tool in the toolbox.

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Speaker 3: It's called the knee washy flex knife. Knee washy is

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01:16:50,253 --> 01:16:53,973
Speaker 3: the isn't thing and it is sharp as it's got

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01:16:54,053 --> 01:16:56,893
Speaker 3: tiny teeth sticking downwards. And you're going to be so

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01:16:57,453 --> 01:17:00,893
Speaker 3: careful with it because it really really causes troubles if

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01:17:00,933 --> 01:17:02,893
Speaker 3: you don't watch out with your finger. But you can

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01:17:02,933 --> 01:17:06,053
Speaker 3: cut literally even the dead flex leaves are cut in

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01:17:06,133 --> 01:17:06,973
Speaker 3: a ify.

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01:17:07,533 --> 01:17:08,333
Speaker 9: Problem at all.

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Speaker 2: Very nice.

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Speaker 3: Finally, finally, something I'm going to give you one day,

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Speaker 3: and it's I will.

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Speaker 9: It's a cultivator.

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Speaker 3: It's It is a hand hole if you like, which

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Speaker 3: has got a nice ninety degree bend, and it is

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Speaker 3: actually made here by the Clark cultivator.

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Speaker 9: It's called by mister Clark here in christ Church.

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Speaker 3: It's a local one tongue, a DA four and I

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Speaker 3: thing if you like. Yeah, and it is ninety degree angles,

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Speaker 3: very sharp, and it is really quick to use for

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Speaker 3: ripping the roots out of weeds.

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Speaker 9: And the pointy end can of course be used for.

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Speaker 3: Incredibly accurate weeding between the rows.

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Speaker 9: So have you've got a whole lot of.

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Speaker 3: Seas there you can just get in between the rows

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Speaker 3: without literally hacking your new plants apart are my favorite toys.

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Speaker 2: And we will put them all on the news dogs.

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Speaker 2: He'd be website, thanks rude. News is next.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot cot in Head for high

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Speaker 1: quality supplements Use talks. B.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to news Talks. He'd be if

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01:18:38,733 --> 01:18:40,573
Speaker 2: you were just turning on the radio, just turning on

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Speaker 2: iHeart this morning. It's great that you have decided to

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01:18:43,453 --> 01:18:46,813
Speaker 2: join us, albeit late. We forgive you for your tardiness.

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Speaker 2: Now it's great to have you with us this morning,

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame with you through the midday Today. Before midday,

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Speaker 2: we're going to listen to the new album from Kiwi

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01:18:54,253 --> 01:18:58,053
Speaker 2: Musoh's Toy, kind of like a few other Kiwi bands

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01:18:58,133 --> 01:19:01,813
Speaker 2: tracks projects Front of Mind. In this front they met

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01:19:01,853 --> 01:19:05,613
Speaker 2: at jazz school and they've put together a really interesting

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01:19:06,573 --> 01:19:10,493
Speaker 2: kind of fusion sound. It's kind of dubby, kind of rocky,

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01:19:10,733 --> 01:19:13,413
Speaker 2: kind of solely. So we're going to listen to their

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01:19:13,413 --> 01:19:16,173
Speaker 2: new album or toys new album before midday. As well

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Speaker 2: as that, I'm going to tell you about this new

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01:19:17,373 --> 01:19:20,493
Speaker 2: book about Bill Gates. It's a biography of Bill Gates

1536
01:19:20,493 --> 01:19:22,133
Speaker 2: and it just has such a good title. So the

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01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:27,693
Speaker 2: biography is Billionaire Nerd Savior King, the Bill Gates Story.

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01:19:27,733 --> 01:19:29,133
Speaker 2: So we're going to tell you about that book very

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01:19:29,133 --> 01:19:31,973
Speaker 2: shortly as well. Right now it is eight minutes past eleven.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get you up with our sustainability commentator Kate

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01:19:35,213 --> 01:19:39,973
Speaker 2: Hall killeder what so back in February it was February

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01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:44,173
Speaker 2: a that they introduced the changes to recycling, the standardization

1543
01:19:44,373 --> 01:19:48,133
Speaker 2: of recycling around the country, which I think was only

1544
01:19:48,213 --> 01:19:52,133
Speaker 2: about thirty years too late, Like it just seemed like

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01:19:52,173 --> 01:19:54,973
Speaker 2: one of those incredibly obvious and rational things that they

1546
01:19:54,973 --> 01:19:56,813
Speaker 2: could have done to make life a little bit easier

1547
01:19:56,853 --> 01:19:59,333
Speaker 2: so that you didn't have different recycling standards in different

1548
01:19:59,373 --> 01:20:02,573
Speaker 2: parts of New Zealand. But when they changed, they changed

1549
01:20:02,573 --> 01:20:05,533
Speaker 2: the recycling standards in February. I reckon a lot of people,

1550
01:20:05,573 --> 01:20:08,533
Speaker 2: and I will be on, including people in my household,

1551
01:20:09,093 --> 01:20:10,813
Speaker 2: might have been a little bit confused about some of

1552
01:20:10,813 --> 01:20:13,413
Speaker 2: the things that you can and can't recycle anymore. And

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01:20:13,453 --> 01:20:16,453
Speaker 2: I was asking people before eleven o'clock can you recycle

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01:20:16,533 --> 01:20:19,493
Speaker 2: an ice cream container lid? And of course the answer is.

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01:20:21,173 --> 01:20:24,453
Speaker 18: No, you cannot put that on your curb side recycling.

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01:20:24,773 --> 01:20:27,013
Speaker 18: It can be recycled, but you cannot put it in

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01:20:27,053 --> 01:20:30,613
Speaker 18: your curb side.

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Speaker 2: I reckon. I reckon. A majority said yes. I think

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01:20:36,133 --> 01:20:39,653
Speaker 2: most people know that you can't recycle a milk bottle lid.

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01:20:40,013 --> 01:20:42,173
Speaker 2: I would hope they do, so you know that one

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01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:44,533
Speaker 2: I reckon. A majority would say you couldn't recycle a

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01:20:44,573 --> 01:20:46,613
Speaker 2: milk bottle lid, and they'd be right there. But I

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01:20:46,653 --> 01:20:48,693
Speaker 2: reckon A majority would say that you could recycle an

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01:20:48,693 --> 01:20:50,653
Speaker 2: ice cream container lid because it feels like it's made

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01:20:50,653 --> 01:20:52,613
Speaker 2: of the same stuff as the ice cream container itself.

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Speaker 2: Don't you well.

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Speaker 18: Totally, and even with milk bottle lids, you can recycle

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01:20:59,533 --> 01:21:01,053
Speaker 18: those lids.

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01:21:01,173 --> 01:21:03,733
Speaker 2: It's curb side curbside curbs.

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Speaker 18: And we know the reason why we can't put the

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01:21:05,773 --> 01:21:09,213
Speaker 18: lids in is because you know, those little tiny lids,

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Speaker 18: if there's hundreds thousands of them, they get caught in

1573
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:17,733
Speaker 18: the recycling sorting machines. That's one of the main reasons,

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01:21:18,053 --> 01:21:19,813
Speaker 18: you know, why we can't put lids in there. So

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01:21:19,853 --> 01:21:22,173
Speaker 18: when people look at the ice cream container lid, they're like, well,

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01:21:22,493 --> 01:21:25,693
Speaker 18: that's quite big. Yeah, it's not a little milk bottle

1577
01:21:25,733 --> 01:21:31,333
Speaker 18: top lid. However, the sorting machines often mistake those slack

1578
01:21:31,453 --> 01:21:34,413
Speaker 18: ice can contain the lids with paper, and so they

1579
01:21:34,533 --> 01:21:38,853
Speaker 18: end up contaminating the paper sauce. So it's less about

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01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:41,253
Speaker 18: you know, what can and can't be recycled, and it's

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01:21:41,253 --> 01:21:44,773
Speaker 18: more we're dealing with a mixed curb side recycling scheme,

1582
01:21:44,853 --> 01:21:50,253
Speaker 18: which generally isn't that isn't that great? Yeah, but you

1583
01:21:50,293 --> 01:21:52,173
Speaker 18: know that's what we're dealing with, and so therefore we

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01:21:52,253 --> 01:21:55,533
Speaker 18: can't put everything into that curb side recycling bend. There

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01:21:55,653 --> 01:21:57,613
Speaker 18: other places that we can put lids.

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Speaker 2: Fifty five years since we put human beings on the moon, right,

1587
01:22:01,733 --> 01:22:05,173
Speaker 2: and that's amazing when we've seend like tourists to space.

1588
01:22:05,293 --> 01:22:08,413
Speaker 2: These days, we have commercial engines going up to the

1589
01:22:08,413 --> 01:22:12,653
Speaker 2: International Space Station, and yet we apparently can't design a

1590
01:22:12,693 --> 01:22:15,693
Speaker 2: machine that won't get confused about an iceicream container lid.

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01:22:16,773 --> 01:22:22,813
Speaker 2: I'm there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll make a

1592
01:22:22,813 --> 01:22:26,653
Speaker 2: Difference's tricky, but okay. But to your point, I'm being

1593
01:22:26,693 --> 01:22:28,893
Speaker 2: misleading when I say you can't recycle them, because you

1594
01:22:28,933 --> 01:22:30,813
Speaker 2: can recycle them, you just can't put them in your

1595
01:22:30,893 --> 01:22:35,013
Speaker 2: curb side recycling. So what can you do with your

1596
01:22:35,133 --> 01:22:37,493
Speaker 2: milk bottle lids and your ice cream container lids?

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01:22:38,213 --> 01:22:42,333
Speaker 18: So literally, just in the last week or two, we

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01:22:42,453 --> 01:22:46,333
Speaker 18: now have a cats and lids recycling scheme that the

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Speaker 18: Packaging Forum have launched, and yeah, it is really good

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Speaker 18: and I think will actually help a lot of people

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01:22:52,573 --> 01:22:55,213
Speaker 18: go oh, I actually can't put those in the recycling

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01:22:55,253 --> 01:22:58,893
Speaker 18: through have less contamination in the recyclingmentes, which would be awesome.

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Speaker 18: So essentially that means at different drop off points, which

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01:23:02,773 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 18: are a lot of New Worlds and packing saves, you

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01:23:05,253 --> 01:23:10,173
Speaker 18: can find kind of your focused local place to drop

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01:23:10,213 --> 01:23:14,213
Speaker 18: them off online, but you'll see it often decide where

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01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:17,173
Speaker 18: the soft plastics is. There'll be two other boxes and

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01:23:17,213 --> 01:23:19,333
Speaker 18: one of them will be some metal lids, and one

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Speaker 18: of them will be for your plastic lids and so

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Speaker 18: container lids, milk bottle caps, you know, sprites, coke bottle caps,

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Speaker 18: anything like that. You can put those lids in if

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01:23:30,893 --> 01:23:33,053
Speaker 18: they are clean and they are dry.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, yeah, that's cool, that's important too. Yeah, right,

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01:23:36,413 --> 01:23:39,493
Speaker 2: So it just means another like sorting system at home.

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Speaker 2: And I know that, I know that in the hall

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01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:46,213
Speaker 2: household you have all sorts of exquisite and well considered

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01:23:46,213 --> 01:23:49,173
Speaker 2: sorting systems. But for those of us who perhaps haven't

1618
01:23:49,533 --> 01:23:51,733
Speaker 2: maybe made the kind of progress you have on the

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01:23:51,773 --> 01:23:55,293
Speaker 2: recycling front, what would be an easy way just to

1620
01:23:55,653 --> 01:23:57,773
Speaker 2: set up a system at home whereby you're saving these

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01:23:57,813 --> 01:23:58,813
Speaker 2: things and then taking them in.

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Speaker 18: So we have been recycling our caps and lids since, yeah, forever,

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01:24:05,493 --> 01:24:08,173
Speaker 18: because we've been taking them to our local recycling center.

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01:24:08,373 --> 01:24:09,973
Speaker 18: Now it's just going to be easier because there's more

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01:24:10,013 --> 01:24:14,173
Speaker 18: drop off points. So we have a askam container that

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Speaker 18: is under the sink and that's where we put all

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01:24:16,613 --> 01:24:20,813
Speaker 18: our lids and so, yeah, any lids, literally, any lids

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01:24:20,853 --> 01:24:22,733
Speaker 18: that goes on top. No matter what it looks like,

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01:24:22,773 --> 01:24:25,293
Speaker 18: it's made of plastic or messil, we put it into

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01:24:25,333 --> 01:24:30,813
Speaker 18: that container. So just like people do with this soft recycling,

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01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:33,373
Speaker 18: they take it to the supermarket or you know, put

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01:24:33,373 --> 01:24:36,453
Speaker 18: it in your car, and leads are really literally small,

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01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:39,173
Speaker 18: and so to be honest, even though we've been taking

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01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:42,493
Speaker 18: that to the recycling center, I've probably only had to

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01:24:42,693 --> 01:24:45,333
Speaker 18: do it. I mean, we obviously were trying to try

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01:24:45,333 --> 01:24:45,933
Speaker 18: to reduce all.

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01:24:47,573 --> 01:24:47,773
Speaker 19: Use it.

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01:24:52,853 --> 01:24:59,413
Speaker 18: Not that actually I do have an ice cre but

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01:24:59,493 --> 01:25:02,373
Speaker 18: I've only yeah, we've probably only had to drop that off,

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01:25:02,413 --> 01:25:06,253
Speaker 18: you know, like once. So it's quite good because they asked.

1641
01:25:06,733 --> 01:25:08,373
Speaker 18: I know that sounds like a big deal to have

1642
01:25:08,413 --> 01:25:11,613
Speaker 18: another container there. But if you think lids go in

1643
01:25:11,973 --> 01:25:13,733
Speaker 18: there and you know, put a label on it. If

1644
01:25:13,773 --> 01:25:15,853
Speaker 18: you have lots of people in your home, tell them

1645
01:25:15,893 --> 01:25:18,213
Speaker 18: about this, you know, let them know and let them

1646
01:25:18,253 --> 01:25:21,053
Speaker 18: know why they shouldn't put it in the recycling because

1647
01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:25,013
Speaker 18: in the recycling just refresher course number one, two and

1648
01:25:25,133 --> 01:25:29,253
Speaker 18: five plastics again clean and dry, and if they don't

1649
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:31,893
Speaker 18: have a one, two or five, do not wish cycle

1650
01:25:31,973 --> 01:25:35,453
Speaker 18: them into your recycling. Them is just going to cause havoc.

1651
01:25:36,293 --> 01:25:38,493
Speaker 18: And you can put paper in as long as it's

1652
01:25:38,533 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 18: bigger than an envelope kind of rough size. So yeah,

1653
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:45,573
Speaker 18: you have one adventure for your recycling, one bene for

1654
01:25:45,613 --> 01:25:48,333
Speaker 18: your caps and lids, and you can really really good

1655
01:25:48,373 --> 01:25:50,213
Speaker 18: that they are going to the right place and you're

1656
01:25:50,253 --> 01:25:52,813
Speaker 18: not kind of yeah, messing up all of all the

1657
01:25:52,853 --> 01:25:55,733
Speaker 18: recycling systems, especially since you know, we now have this

1658
01:25:55,853 --> 01:25:59,413
Speaker 18: standardized scheme, which means hopefully we can actually be recycling

1659
01:25:59,453 --> 01:26:03,893
Speaker 18: more because our curb side bins aren't so full of

1660
01:26:03,973 --> 01:26:04,653
Speaker 18: the wrong stuff.

1661
01:26:04,693 --> 01:26:06,813
Speaker 2: So okay, I'm just going to reiterate that one more time, one,

1662
01:26:07,053 --> 01:26:10,213
Speaker 2: two and five. That's what you can recycle and give

1663
01:26:10,293 --> 01:26:12,213
Speaker 2: us the give us the spiel, give us the line

1664
01:26:12,253 --> 01:26:15,053
Speaker 2: again on trying not to use the stuff in the

1665
01:26:15,053 --> 01:26:17,533
Speaker 2: first place, because that's probably the most important message.

1666
01:26:17,653 --> 01:26:18,613
Speaker 17: Well it is.

1667
01:26:18,733 --> 01:26:21,533
Speaker 18: I really I'm always user tent to talk about recycling,

1668
01:26:21,573 --> 01:26:24,413
Speaker 18: to be honest, because people ask me a lot about

1669
01:26:24,453 --> 01:26:26,813
Speaker 18: it where they say, oh, you'd be so proud of me, Kate,

1670
01:26:26,853 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 18: am I recycled and full, and like, that's great that

1671
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:32,493
Speaker 18: we've had these recycling schemes. It's great that we've got

1672
01:26:32,493 --> 01:26:35,293
Speaker 18: this new caps and lid scheme, But it needs to

1673
01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:38,893
Speaker 18: be the last resort. So yeah, we need to focus

1674
01:26:38,933 --> 01:26:42,693
Speaker 18: on reducing it from get go. You know our return schemes. Actually,

1675
01:26:42,853 --> 01:26:45,493
Speaker 18: my local New World and Fong Flower they now have

1676
01:26:45,733 --> 01:26:49,573
Speaker 18: the Ballavaca glass bottle return scheme. So instead of putting

1677
01:26:49,613 --> 01:26:53,333
Speaker 18: that glass model or you know, a plastic bottle into

1678
01:26:53,413 --> 01:26:56,373
Speaker 18: your recycling bin, I actually bring that glass bottle back

1679
01:26:56,453 --> 01:26:59,093
Speaker 18: to New World, pick up the full one, and I

1680
01:26:59,133 --> 01:27:03,253
Speaker 18: get six dollars off six bucks. Yeah, because I paid

1681
01:27:03,293 --> 01:27:06,093
Speaker 18: for six dollars that first one. Yeah, I've paid six

1682
01:27:06,133 --> 01:27:11,093
Speaker 18: dollars for that right, yeah, the return it yeah, Yeah.

1683
01:27:12,053 --> 01:27:13,933
Speaker 18: Schemes like that are awesome. So we need to be

1684
01:27:13,973 --> 01:27:17,573
Speaker 18: focusing on supporting those reduse schemes, thinking about how can

1685
01:27:17,653 --> 01:27:21,013
Speaker 18: I actually reduce the amount of recycling I have? And yeah,

1686
01:27:21,213 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 18: using and enjoying the recycling schemes properly, but just holding

1687
01:27:25,373 --> 01:27:28,373
Speaker 18: less kind of importance on recycling. I think we'd all

1688
01:27:28,853 --> 01:27:29,893
Speaker 18: do much better off.

1689
01:27:30,053 --> 01:27:33,133
Speaker 2: Great message as per, Thank you so much, Kate. You

1690
01:27:33,173 --> 01:27:34,933
Speaker 2: can find Kate of course on all of the social

1691
01:27:34,973 --> 01:27:38,013
Speaker 2: media platforms to search ethically Kate, and I'm going to

1692
01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:39,853
Speaker 2: give you that website once again. So this is the

1693
01:27:39,853 --> 01:27:41,453
Speaker 2: website if you want to find out where you can

1694
01:27:41,533 --> 01:27:45,613
Speaker 2: go and recycle caps and lids. It's Caps Lids dot

1695
01:27:45,693 --> 01:27:50,013
Speaker 2: Recycling dot Kiwi dot NZ. And if you don't think

1696
01:27:50,053 --> 01:27:52,573
Speaker 2: you can remember that you haven't scribbled it down, don't stress.

1697
01:27:52,573 --> 01:27:54,413
Speaker 2: We we'll make sure that that website's up on the

1698
01:27:54,453 --> 01:27:56,173
Speaker 2: news talks. He'd be website as well, so you can

1699
01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:58,573
Speaker 2: go and follow it through there. It is seventeen minutes

1700
01:27:58,613 --> 01:28:01,613
Speaker 2: past eleven. Our travel correspondent is going to take us

1701
01:28:01,653 --> 01:28:04,813
Speaker 2: through North Queensland next Travel.

1702
01:28:04,613 --> 01:28:08,773
Speaker 1: With Wendy WU Tours Fully Inclusive Tours around the World.

1703
01:28:09,493 --> 01:28:13,253
Speaker 2: Travel correspondent is mister Mike Yardley. He's with us this morning,

1704
01:28:13,333 --> 01:28:17,293
Speaker 2: Kilda Cilder. Jack, Well, we're looking at tropical delights in

1705
01:28:17,373 --> 01:28:20,133
Speaker 2: North Queensland. This is a gorgeous part of the world

1706
01:28:20,133 --> 01:28:23,133
Speaker 2: and Ken's is kind of the gateway to the rainforest

1707
01:28:23,173 --> 01:28:25,453
Speaker 2: and the reef, right, So did you take to the water.

1708
01:28:26,333 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 20: It would be very rude not to take to the

1709
01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:30,893
Speaker 20: water in these parts, Jack, as you know. So yeah,

1710
01:28:30,893 --> 01:28:33,333
Speaker 20: what I love about Cairns is it's such a quick

1711
01:28:33,373 --> 01:28:36,613
Speaker 20: and easy launch pad to the barrier reef. And even

1712
01:28:36,653 --> 01:28:39,013
Speaker 20: if you're a new bee to the reef, there are

1713
01:28:39,053 --> 01:28:42,413
Speaker 20: so many easy options from Cairns. So, for example, if

1714
01:28:42,453 --> 01:28:45,413
Speaker 20: you are traveling as a family and you want to

1715
01:28:45,453 --> 01:28:47,493
Speaker 20: take a day trip out into the big Blue, I

1716
01:28:47,493 --> 01:28:51,373
Speaker 20: would suggest going to Fitzroy Island. So that's only a

1717
01:28:51,413 --> 01:28:54,093
Speaker 20: forty five minute very right away. You can actually stay

1718
01:28:54,093 --> 01:28:56,973
Speaker 20: on the island, but it's an awesome day trip because

1719
01:28:57,253 --> 01:29:01,853
Speaker 20: it just seems to distill all the great elements into

1720
01:29:01,933 --> 01:29:06,533
Speaker 20: one day. You've got superb walking trails, classic blonde beat,

1721
01:29:07,213 --> 01:29:10,813
Speaker 20: you've got vivid coral gardens to snork around, teaming with

1722
01:29:10,893 --> 01:29:13,853
Speaker 20: tropical fish. And they've even got a turtle rehab center

1723
01:29:13,893 --> 01:29:17,333
Speaker 20: on the island which essentially services all of the North

1724
01:29:17,413 --> 01:29:21,773
Speaker 20: Queensland coast, so they'll get like damaged turtles from Cape

1725
01:29:21,893 --> 01:29:27,093
Speaker 20: York that end up at Fitzroy Island. So yeah, a

1726
01:29:27,373 --> 01:29:31,333
Speaker 20: really really good island to explore, and like a lot

1727
01:29:31,333 --> 01:29:34,373
Speaker 20: of the speckles, these little islands off Shawjack from Ken's.

1728
01:29:34,533 --> 01:29:37,613
Speaker 20: It just amazes me that before the Last ice Age

1729
01:29:37,693 --> 01:29:40,533
Speaker 20: they were actually connected to the mainland, So fitz Roy

1730
01:29:40,693 --> 01:29:44,213
Speaker 20: was basically Ken's East ten thousand.

1731
01:29:43,893 --> 01:29:46,653
Speaker 2: Years ago, right, that makes sense. I guess if you

1732
01:29:46,693 --> 01:29:49,333
Speaker 2: look at the map of the North Queensland cost Yes,

1733
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:51,933
Speaker 2: so if you had about further north in north of

1734
01:29:52,013 --> 01:29:54,733
Speaker 2: Kean's why is Palm Cove so popular?

1735
01:29:55,293 --> 01:29:58,413
Speaker 20: Well, I think there is a hint of HAWAIII to

1736
01:29:58,573 --> 01:30:05,493
Speaker 20: Palm Cove. There's just very tail in terms of vacation beauty.

1737
01:30:05,693 --> 01:30:08,213
Speaker 20: So it's about half an hour up the Captain Cook Highway.

1738
01:30:08,293 --> 01:30:11,933
Speaker 20: And so if you're trucking up to Port Douglas, just

1739
01:30:12,053 --> 01:30:15,533
Speaker 20: calling to Palm Cove, which is just off the highway,

1740
01:30:15,653 --> 01:30:21,173
Speaker 20: and it is just so leafy, so languid, stretched along

1741
01:30:21,213 --> 01:30:23,853
Speaker 20: the coral sea. And I've got all of these gorgeous

1742
01:30:23,893 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 20: old paper bark mela luca trees flanking the beach front.

1743
01:30:28,413 --> 01:30:31,973
Speaker 20: Then I've got a few waving palms interspersed. But there's

1744
01:30:32,053 --> 01:30:36,133
Speaker 20: just this really nice shaded village at moss about Palm Cove,

1745
01:30:36,613 --> 01:30:40,293
Speaker 20: as I say, very reminiscent of some of Hawaii's beachside villages.

1746
01:30:40,413 --> 01:30:43,413
Speaker 20: And there's just some you know, little casual eteries and

1747
01:30:43,453 --> 01:30:47,893
Speaker 20: cafes dotted through the trees. It's just lazy day heaven,

1748
01:30:47,973 --> 01:30:48,733
Speaker 20: I reckon Jack.

1749
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:49,253
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1750
01:30:49,373 --> 01:30:53,093
Speaker 2: Nice. If you're up for an indigenous experience, what can

1751
01:30:53,133 --> 01:30:54,813
Speaker 2: you expect at most and gorge?

1752
01:30:55,693 --> 01:30:59,573
Speaker 20: This was my runaway highlight. I joined a dream time

1753
01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:02,533
Speaker 20: walk with a cuckoo yalongy guide called Ben. He was

1754
01:31:02,693 --> 01:31:05,893
Speaker 20: twenty years old, and oh my god, he had the

1755
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:09,693
Speaker 20: wisdom of a ninety year old. So we rocked into

1756
01:31:09,733 --> 01:31:14,253
Speaker 20: the rainforest and Ben just prized open all the secrets,

1757
01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:17,053
Speaker 20: the food sauce, to the pharmacy, the hardware store inside

1758
01:31:17,093 --> 01:31:21,413
Speaker 20: the rainforest. It was just mind blowing. Best of all,

1759
01:31:21,413 --> 01:31:25,173
Speaker 20: we passed by some enormous strangler fig trees and I

1760
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:28,573
Speaker 20: could tell Ben was getting sort of quite spiritual as

1761
01:31:28,613 --> 01:31:30,973
Speaker 20: he was looking at these trees. And he said to

1762
01:31:31,013 --> 01:31:34,013
Speaker 20: me that when he dies, he's going to be buried

1763
01:31:34,493 --> 01:31:38,293
Speaker 20: under that tree, and he pointed to a particular tree.

1764
01:31:38,693 --> 01:31:41,693
Speaker 20: And apparently, after his body's placed at the bottom of

1765
01:31:41,733 --> 01:31:44,853
Speaker 20: the tree, the figs, the strangler figs, will sort of

1766
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:48,133
Speaker 20: weave their magic. The vines will wrap around his body

1767
01:31:48,173 --> 01:31:51,093
Speaker 20: and can consumers remains and return them to the earth

1768
01:31:51,373 --> 01:31:55,013
Speaker 20: as you do. The other thing, Jack, is that Ben

1769
01:31:55,053 --> 01:31:58,773
Speaker 20: said to me that on Fraser Island the traditional burial

1770
01:31:58,933 --> 01:32:03,493
Speaker 20: still practiced today. There entails putting the body high up

1771
01:32:03,493 --> 01:32:08,333
Speaker 20: in the tree because otherwise the dingoes will get to them. Wow,

1772
01:32:08,613 --> 01:32:11,093
Speaker 20: which would not be a good way to go. No,

1773
01:32:12,413 --> 01:32:14,973
Speaker 20: then there are the bouncing stones. Have you heard about

1774
01:32:14,973 --> 01:32:19,053
Speaker 20: these bouncing stones? No, so Cuckoo Yellonge They've got these

1775
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:23,453
Speaker 20: legendary bouncing stones and as been demonstrated to me, they

1776
01:32:23,493 --> 01:32:26,453
Speaker 20: do bounce off each other like bouncing balls.

1777
01:32:26,773 --> 01:32:28,013
Speaker 4: It's just wacky.

1778
01:32:28,333 --> 01:32:31,133
Speaker 20: Yeah. And many of them are sourced from a beach

1779
01:32:31,213 --> 01:32:34,413
Speaker 20: called Thornton Beach. Some are stolen because this is like

1780
01:32:34,493 --> 01:32:38,453
Speaker 20: sacred terf for Cuckoo Yellongy and most that are stolen

1781
01:32:38,573 --> 01:32:42,133
Speaker 20: generally are returned toward off bad luck. But they are

1782
01:32:42,173 --> 01:32:47,013
Speaker 20: a geological phenomenon. So these stones have been studied by academics.

1783
01:32:47,173 --> 01:32:51,373
Speaker 20: They're as big as rugby balls, but they're actually classified

1784
01:32:51,413 --> 01:32:56,013
Speaker 20: as pebbles. They're very fine grained pebbles and the geologists

1785
01:32:56,053 --> 01:32:59,853
Speaker 20: say that it's hardened silica celtstone. But they've got this

1786
01:33:00,093 --> 01:33:03,373
Speaker 20: incredible bouncing quality, quite wacking.

1787
01:33:03,453 --> 01:33:06,413
Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. Yeah, what an experience that's out. So

1788
01:33:06,453 --> 01:33:09,933
Speaker 2: it sounds really incredible. Okay. Yeah, Now chocolate production is

1789
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:13,133
Speaker 2: big business in North Queensland, right, very quick.

1790
01:33:13,013 --> 01:33:16,533
Speaker 20: Mention about this, Jack. Yes, chocolate fans rejoice because the

1791
01:33:16,613 --> 01:33:22,093
Speaker 20: region around Mossman Port, Douglas Daintree Rainforest it's become a

1792
01:33:22,213 --> 01:33:27,693
Speaker 20: punkhouse producer of Australian cocoa and there are various commercial plantations,

1793
01:33:27,693 --> 01:33:31,013
Speaker 20: all engaged in the bean tabar, chocolate making bizo. So

1794
01:33:31,893 --> 01:33:34,813
Speaker 20: in the Shannonvale Valley, which is just north of Port Douglas,

1795
01:33:34,893 --> 01:33:36,653
Speaker 20: you can go to the Australian Chocolate Farm and they

1796
01:33:36,733 --> 01:33:40,093
Speaker 20: give you the most amazing and very generous farmed her

1797
01:33:40,173 --> 01:33:43,373
Speaker 20: and tasting experience. Oh yeah, so that's the list.

1798
01:33:43,453 --> 01:33:46,493
Speaker 2: Definitely, No, that sounds good. And speaking of treats, what

1799
01:33:46,573 --> 01:33:48,253
Speaker 2: about tropical fruit wine.

1800
01:33:48,653 --> 01:33:53,253
Speaker 20: Well, it's in a quiet taste admittedly, but worth a devil.

1801
01:33:53,373 --> 01:33:56,333
Speaker 20: So also in the shannon Vale Valley there is the

1802
01:33:56,373 --> 01:33:59,053
Speaker 20: Tropical Fruit Winery and the Woodall family have been running

1803
01:33:59,053 --> 01:34:01,893
Speaker 20: this for about twenty years or so. I sipped and

1804
01:34:01,933 --> 01:34:04,573
Speaker 20: swirled my way through all sorts of interesting flavors like

1805
01:34:04,733 --> 01:34:10,773
Speaker 20: mango wine, lime passion, fruit ginger, even a fortified chocolate wine.

1806
01:34:11,093 --> 01:34:14,773
Speaker 20: But the best one of all was a particular flavor

1807
01:34:14,853 --> 01:34:18,133
Speaker 20: I had never come across. It's called Jawbo chaca bar.

1808
01:34:19,133 --> 01:34:22,173
Speaker 20: And if it sounds Amazonian, that's because it is. It's

1809
01:34:22,173 --> 01:34:27,173
Speaker 20: an Amazonian great Jaobo chaca bar. And the reason they

1810
01:34:27,333 --> 01:34:31,933
Speaker 20: growing this in shannon Vale is because it's the only reliable,

1811
01:34:32,293 --> 01:34:37,933
Speaker 20: red sort of tasting wine that they could produce in

1812
01:34:37,973 --> 01:34:42,493
Speaker 20: the area. So yeah, very very interesting taste. By the way,

1813
01:34:42,533 --> 01:34:46,693
Speaker 20: the passion fruit, it's kind of like a semion. It's

1814
01:34:47,053 --> 01:34:50,973
Speaker 20: really interesting, very dry, full flavored, really good with cheese.

1815
01:34:51,613 --> 01:34:54,853
Speaker 20: And the dry mango wine. If you're a Shardona drinker,

1816
01:34:55,173 --> 01:34:58,453
Speaker 20: you will love the dry mango. So yeah, something certainly

1817
01:34:58,493 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 20: worth Deblin.

1818
01:34:59,413 --> 01:35:01,853
Speaker 2: So is it quite dry? See this is when you

1819
01:35:01,893 --> 01:35:05,093
Speaker 2: hear those fruits, right, passion fruit, mango, and automatically I

1820
01:35:05,093 --> 01:35:08,213
Speaker 2: think all that sounds pretty sticky. It sounds kind of syrupy.

1821
01:35:08,573 --> 01:35:12,133
Speaker 20: No. No, Through the production process, yeah, they do become

1822
01:35:12,213 --> 01:35:13,733
Speaker 20: generally drier than you'd think.

1823
01:35:14,973 --> 01:35:18,213
Speaker 2: I reckon that could be a bit of me. What

1824
01:35:18,253 --> 01:35:19,893
Speaker 2: about standout eateries.

1825
01:35:20,333 --> 01:35:23,093
Speaker 20: Two recommendations in Cairn's. I went to a place called

1826
01:35:23,173 --> 01:35:25,533
Speaker 20: Salt House, which is on the Arena Points, so as

1827
01:35:25,573 --> 01:35:29,253
Speaker 20: the name would suggest, you get mouthwatering views. I have

1828
01:35:29,413 --> 01:35:35,053
Speaker 20: these halfshell roasted Queensland scallops which were just tubo charged

1829
01:35:35,573 --> 01:35:40,333
Speaker 20: with what they were accompanied with curry sauce, pineapple relish

1830
01:35:40,413 --> 01:35:44,693
Speaker 20: my newfound favorite in Vietnamese mint. That all together with

1831
01:35:44,853 --> 01:35:47,173
Speaker 20: scollops and that's really good, and wash it down with

1832
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:49,893
Speaker 20: the Flying Fox cocktail, which was the drink of the

1833
01:35:49,973 --> 01:35:53,653
Speaker 20: trip check and by the way, in Paul Douglas, I

1834
01:35:53,733 --> 01:35:57,773
Speaker 20: went to a restaurant called Sea Bean. Very Mediterranean leaning,

1835
01:35:58,133 --> 01:36:00,573
Speaker 20: but I ate something I had never tried before. I

1836
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:03,973
Speaker 20: don't know if you've had it. Palestinian kofta.

1837
01:36:04,813 --> 01:36:08,333
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I think I probably have to be honest.

1838
01:36:08,733 --> 01:36:14,733
Speaker 20: Was it lamb yes, so yeah, like baked lamb meat petty?

1839
01:36:14,973 --> 01:36:17,973
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And and they're sort of like halfway between

1840
01:36:17,973 --> 01:36:20,333
Speaker 2: a petty and a meatball. Ah exactly.

1841
01:36:20,413 --> 01:36:24,573
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll layer them with vegetables and hamas

1842
01:36:24,613 --> 01:36:27,853
Speaker 20: and tabuuli. Oh my god, it's so good. The amazing

1843
01:36:27,853 --> 01:36:31,733
Speaker 20: thing is, Jack, I never realized food could become so politicized.

1844
01:36:32,013 --> 01:36:36,213
Speaker 20: Apparently this restaurants had protesters outside, but daring to put

1845
01:36:36,253 --> 01:36:38,013
Speaker 20: something Palestinian on the menu.

1846
01:36:38,133 --> 01:36:42,773
Speaker 2: For goodness sake, that is ridiculous. Having spent a little

1847
01:36:42,773 --> 01:36:45,093
Speaker 2: bit of time in that part of the world, I mean,

1848
01:36:45,133 --> 01:36:47,093
Speaker 2: this is what makes that part of the world so

1849
01:36:47,133 --> 01:36:51,613
Speaker 2: good is all of those cultures have mixed. Surely anyway, Yeah,

1850
01:36:52,173 --> 01:36:54,533
Speaker 2: well that sounds that sounds amazing. Okay, Hey, thank you

1851
01:36:54,573 --> 01:36:57,413
Speaker 2: so much, Mike. We'll put all of your tips for

1852
01:36:58,133 --> 01:37:01,453
Speaker 2: indulging your way through North Queensland up on the News Talks.

1853
01:37:01,453 --> 01:37:04,133
Speaker 2: He'd be website, don't forget Before midday we're going to

1854
01:37:04,173 --> 01:37:06,133
Speaker 2: have a listen to Waves, which is the new album

1855
01:37:06,173 --> 01:37:09,493
Speaker 2: from Wellington Muso's Toy. We'll have your book picks for

1856
01:37:09,533 --> 01:37:12,213
Speaker 2: this weekend as well, including this new one Billionaire Nerd

1857
01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:15,013
Speaker 2: Savior King. It's a biography of Bill Gates and I

1858
01:37:15,013 --> 01:37:16,613
Speaker 2: reckons that is really interesting, so i'll tell you a

1859
01:37:16,613 --> 01:37:19,333
Speaker 2: bit more about that shortly. Just coming up to eleven thirty.

1860
01:37:22,773 --> 01:37:24,413
Speaker 7: Getting your weekend started.

1861
01:37:24,613 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks B.

1862
01:37:51,493 --> 01:37:56,733
Speaker 2: New Talks. You're Jack Tame Just after eleven thirty. Quite

1863
01:37:56,773 --> 01:37:59,333
Speaker 2: week for the food fighters say the super quiet weak,

1864
01:37:59,453 --> 01:38:02,053
Speaker 2: just super Dave Groll nothing going on at the moment,

1865
01:38:02,733 --> 01:38:05,973
Speaker 2: just very absolutely nothing, just keeping his nose out of

1866
01:38:05,973 --> 01:38:10,133
Speaker 2: the news, which I think is it After midday a

1867
01:38:10,173 --> 01:38:13,413
Speaker 2: man who couldn't ever be further from scandal. Jason Pine

1868
01:38:13,453 --> 01:38:15,813
Speaker 2: will be behind the mic with Weekends for how you

1869
01:38:15,853 --> 01:38:18,053
Speaker 2: do exert Very well, thank you Jack. A bit of

1870
01:38:18,053 --> 01:38:21,813
Speaker 2: a funny old weekend day with from in a sporting sceense.

1871
01:38:22,213 --> 01:38:25,773
Speaker 2: All Black's not playing. We've got a bit of NPC

1872
01:38:26,013 --> 01:38:29,653
Speaker 2: which is exciting enough but yeah, no worries to speak

1873
01:38:29,693 --> 01:38:31,573
Speaker 2: of course this time, at this time of year. The

1874
01:38:31,613 --> 01:38:34,453
Speaker 2: Black Ferns playing at twicken and one point thirty tomorrow

1875
01:38:34,533 --> 01:38:37,773
Speaker 2: morning though, and fifty thousand tickets apparently have been so

1876
01:38:38,013 --> 01:38:40,253
Speaker 2: amazing awesome, so good, so good.

1877
01:38:40,333 --> 01:38:42,333
Speaker 21: Yeah, and that could go up to it'd be great

1878
01:38:42,373 --> 01:38:44,173
Speaker 21: if they could get somewhere up towards the sixty or

1879
01:38:44,173 --> 01:38:48,373
Speaker 21: even beyond. Yeah, you know, and great scenes during the

1880
01:38:48,373 --> 01:38:50,653
Speaker 21: week with King Charles. We've all seen the footage. Ement's

1881
01:38:50,693 --> 01:38:53,053
Speaker 21: gone viral, as they say, But ye know, they continue

1882
01:38:53,053 --> 01:38:56,693
Speaker 21: to lead the way as far as authenticity is concerned. Yeah,

1883
01:38:56,733 --> 01:39:00,613
Speaker 21: looking forward to to seeing how they go against England tomorrow. Yeah,

1884
01:39:00,613 --> 01:39:02,773
Speaker 21: you're right, ye know, all black some and I'm just

1885
01:39:02,773 --> 01:39:04,933
Speaker 21: trying to David Nika tonight. Yeah, David Nikas, I'm just

1886
01:39:05,093 --> 01:39:07,333
Speaker 21: dream my sums. They do play next week to Australia. Yeah,

1887
01:39:07,493 --> 01:39:09,533
Speaker 21: next week and then the following year. Yeah, David Nika tonight.

1888
01:39:09,613 --> 01:39:11,733
Speaker 21: Apparently he's not going to walk out to about eleven o'clock.

1889
01:39:11,813 --> 01:39:14,173
Speaker 2: That's late, as are they always do this? Yeah, they

1890
01:39:14,213 --> 01:39:16,253
Speaker 2: always do this with boxing. Don't they know that some

1891
01:39:16,293 --> 01:39:18,173
Speaker 2: of us have to get up early on exactly right? Oh,

1892
01:39:18,253 --> 01:39:21,693
Speaker 2: for goodness sake. I mean, yeah, that is I mean

1893
01:39:22,253 --> 01:39:25,693
Speaker 2: fair enough. And look, he's obviously that there's a lot

1894
01:39:25,693 --> 01:39:29,853
Speaker 2: of hype around David Nika. He is an amazing boxer,

1895
01:39:29,933 --> 01:39:32,493
Speaker 2: was amazing through the amateur ranks. He's had a lot

1896
01:39:32,493 --> 01:39:35,573
Speaker 2: of success in his early stages as a professional. Although

1897
01:39:35,613 --> 01:39:37,973
Speaker 2: a little bit of a damner that you know that

1898
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:40,893
Speaker 2: his opponent tonight isn't the one who was initially planned.

1899
01:39:41,053 --> 01:39:44,733
Speaker 2: What are you expecting? I think he's going to smash him?

1900
01:39:44,773 --> 01:39:47,253
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think I think if he walks out at

1901
01:39:47,253 --> 01:39:49,173
Speaker 21: eleven and they start boxing at eleven oh two, it's

1902
01:39:49,173 --> 01:39:51,213
Speaker 21: probably done by eleven O four is That's how it

1903
01:39:51,253 --> 01:39:53,613
Speaker 21: feels to me. And you know, I guess we'll find

1904
01:39:53,613 --> 01:39:56,413
Speaker 21: it more about David Nika as his professional career continues.

1905
01:39:56,493 --> 01:39:58,853
Speaker 21: You're right, Amma, today's you know, a couple of Commonwealth Games,

1906
01:39:58,853 --> 01:40:02,213
Speaker 21: gold medals, are Olympic bronze done all he can extremely

1907
01:40:02,253 --> 01:40:05,333
Speaker 21: good looking for a boxer. I have to say, yeah,

1908
01:40:05,373 --> 01:40:08,093
Speaker 21: it hasn't taken a lot of but now looking forward

1909
01:40:08,133 --> 01:40:10,533
Speaker 21: to seeing how he goes. Also looking forward this afternoon

1910
01:40:10,533 --> 01:40:13,893
Speaker 21: between one and two to welcoming in Stacy Jones's going

1911
01:40:14,333 --> 01:40:16,013
Speaker 21: He's going to be in this very studio for an

1912
01:40:16,053 --> 01:40:18,853
Speaker 21: hour between one and two going to take calls.

1913
01:40:18,693 --> 01:40:20,333
Speaker 2: He's the Keywis coach of course.

1914
01:40:20,133 --> 01:40:23,533
Speaker 21: That put upcoming games against Australia and Tonga. He's just

1915
01:40:23,613 --> 01:40:25,973
Speaker 21: finished the review of the Warrior season. He would love

1916
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Speaker 21: to have been playing this weekend obviously, or have the

1917
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Speaker 21: Warriors playing in the top eight, not to be what

1918
01:40:30,493 --> 01:40:32,613
Speaker 21: also just unpack it a little bit of his playing

1919
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Speaker 21: correct because what a player Jack, I mean, probably our

1920
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Speaker 21: best ever I would say, arguably our best ever rugby

1921
01:40:39,293 --> 01:40:39,853
Speaker 21: league player.

1922
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Speaker 2: I think so. I think that's a I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, Mark Graham Yeah, but no, but yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I reckon. Stacy Jones, the little General would be,

1925
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Speaker 2: would be right up there and one of those guys

1926
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Speaker 2: who kind of you know, you look at him and

1927
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Speaker 2: you think, you know, in such a physical and brutal sport,

1928
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Speaker 2: isn't it wonderful that someone of his, you know, of

1929
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Speaker 2: his size and stature could dominate the game and the

1930
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Speaker 2: way he did. Yah, So we'll talk to Stacy Jones.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, between between one and two live and studio Super

1932
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Speaker 21: Rugby format, New one, Lucky Losers and all.

1933
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Speaker 2: Sorts of things. Yeah, a little bit difficult to unpack.

1934
01:41:13,653 --> 01:41:16,133
Speaker 2: I saw the top line of the top six instead

1935
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Speaker 2: of top eight. That's good because remember last season, how

1936
01:41:19,173 --> 01:41:21,293
Speaker 2: it was just ridiculous how we were like, well the

1937
01:41:21,493 --> 01:41:24,333
Speaker 2: had the greatest fan We're like, well they won about

1938
01:41:24,373 --> 01:41:26,253
Speaker 2: one game of the season, but they're still in the

1939
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Speaker 2: run the top eight. But then this lucky loser thing, like,

1940
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Speaker 2: h it's just a bit hard to explain. It's lover

1941
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Speaker 2: the top four. Yeah, well there is that.

1942
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Speaker 21: I guess what that does is exactly what you just said.

1943
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Speaker 21: It takes a lot of teams and their fans out

1944
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Speaker 21: of the running in the last two or three because

1945
01:41:41,693 --> 01:41:43,773
Speaker 21: of the season. If you've still got a chance, but

1946
01:41:43,973 --> 01:41:45,373
Speaker 21: if there's going to be a top six, check I

1947
01:41:45,453 --> 01:41:47,493
Speaker 21: much prefer the one and two, get the buy three,

1948
01:41:47,493 --> 01:41:51,053
Speaker 21: place six, four, place five, and then for sure, that's easy.

1949
01:41:51,053 --> 01:41:52,973
Speaker 21: I just explained that to you in six seconds. The

1950
01:41:53,053 --> 01:41:56,333
Speaker 21: lucky loser is hard to explain because that loser loses

1951
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Speaker 21: a seeding place in the semi finals.

1952
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Speaker 2: People are already going, what what do you mean?

1953
01:42:01,573 --> 01:42:04,413
Speaker 21: You know it's there, like, if you finish top you're

1954
01:42:04,453 --> 01:42:06,773
Speaker 21: guaranteed a semi final, even if he gets in the

1955
01:42:06,813 --> 01:42:09,253
Speaker 21: first wee yes, So that makes sense.

1956
01:42:09,253 --> 01:42:10,213
Speaker 2: It rewards you, It.

1957
01:42:10,213 --> 01:42:12,653
Speaker 21: Rewards you for finishing top. But yeah, anyway, there's a

1958
01:42:12,693 --> 01:42:15,733
Speaker 21: bit to unpack there and this whole Yipka clim Kova

1959
01:42:15,853 --> 01:42:19,933
Speaker 21: thing from yesterday Cone of Silence from New Zealand Football yesterday. However,

1960
01:42:20,493 --> 01:42:23,973
Speaker 21: they have said that they will make available their CEO

1961
01:42:24,013 --> 01:42:26,413
Speaker 21: Andrew Pragnell this afternoon. Okay, he's going to chat to

1962
01:42:26,453 --> 01:42:28,333
Speaker 21: us after two about what has played out here. It's

1963
01:42:28,333 --> 01:42:31,733
Speaker 21: a very curious and drawn out saga which still has

1964
01:42:31,733 --> 01:42:33,013
Speaker 21: a few unanswered questions for me.

1965
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Okay, looking forward to that. Thank you, sir,

1966
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Speaker 2: Jason Pine behind the mic Stacy Jones live with them

1967
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Speaker 2: in studio from one o'clock and taking your calls this afternoon.

1968
01:42:40,973 --> 01:42:43,293
Speaker 2: Pony In Weekend Sport will be underway right after the

1969
01:42:43,333 --> 01:42:47,293
Speaker 2: midday news before midday that new album from Toy the

1970
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Speaker 2: Wellington Muso's next up. We'll have your book picks for

1971
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Speaker 2: this weekend.

1972
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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

1973
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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepurured on codet

1974
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Speaker 1: enz for high quality Supplements Used talks.

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Speaker 2: eNB twenty to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Kathy

1976
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Speaker 2: Rains has our book picks for this weekend and it's

1977
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Speaker 2: with us now.

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Speaker 11: Morning Jack.

1979
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's begin this morning with Precipice by Robert Harris.

1980
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Speaker 19: So this novel is based on the original love letters

1981
01:43:15,533 --> 01:43:20,373
Speaker 19: between then British Prime Minister has Asquith and Vanicia Stanley.

1982
01:43:20,613 --> 01:43:23,653
Speaker 19: So you get this very intimate insight into their love

1983
01:43:23,653 --> 01:43:26,853
Speaker 19: affair because the letters weren't only about love but also

1984
01:43:26,973 --> 01:43:29,173
Speaker 19: and trust. But they actually board it on treason, as

1985
01:43:29,213 --> 01:43:32,133
Speaker 19: their correspondence took place during World War One. And so

1986
01:43:32,173 --> 01:43:34,733
Speaker 19: the book itself begins in the summer of nineteen fourteen

1987
01:43:35,213 --> 01:43:37,733
Speaker 19: and in London, twenty six year old Vanicia Stanley is

1988
01:43:37,773 --> 01:43:40,533
Speaker 19: part of this group of very aristocratic young people who

1989
01:43:40,573 --> 01:43:42,853
Speaker 19: like to party, but she has the secret she's having

1990
01:43:42,853 --> 01:43:45,413
Speaker 19: an affair with Asquith, and he's married, he's in his

1991
01:43:45,493 --> 01:43:48,813
Speaker 19: early sixties, and they write to each other constantly, three

1992
01:43:48,813 --> 01:43:51,613
Speaker 19: times a day. And then as the wardrobe draws closer,

1993
01:43:52,053 --> 01:43:56,013
Speaker 19: he starts to share some incredibly sensitive information with her

1994
01:43:56,013 --> 01:43:59,453
Speaker 19: and top secret documents from various sources, including Believe it

1995
01:43:59,493 --> 01:44:03,733
Speaker 19: or Not, government bastal plans, and eventually they the British

1996
01:44:03,733 --> 01:44:05,893
Speaker 19: government wants to work out where these leaks are coming

1997
01:44:05,893 --> 01:44:08,653
Speaker 19: from the sky Podema is tasked with finding the source

1998
01:44:08,693 --> 01:44:11,333
Speaker 19: of it, and he discovers this, this love affair and

1999
01:44:11,333 --> 01:44:14,493
Speaker 19: this obsessive nature of Asquith in their relationship, and of

2000
01:44:14,493 --> 01:44:16,973
Speaker 19: course it's a matter of national security. And so what

2001
01:44:17,013 --> 01:44:19,533
Speaker 19: you have is this book that's a mix of fact

2002
01:44:19,573 --> 01:44:23,613
Speaker 19: and fiction because Harris uses the actual letters and telegrams

2003
01:44:23,613 --> 01:44:26,453
Speaker 19: Athquests and Vanetia sent to each other, and so you

2004
01:44:26,493 --> 01:44:29,333
Speaker 19: can see him constantly being distracted from the office of

2005
01:44:29,413 --> 01:44:32,453
Speaker 19: Prime Minister in some yeah, it's just as a bizarre

2006
01:44:32,653 --> 01:44:36,813
Speaker 19: and almost unbelievable story. And the letters from Asquith at

2007
01:44:36,893 --> 01:44:40,893
Speaker 19: his actual words, hers are invented because he destroyed her correspondence,

2008
01:44:41,333 --> 01:44:44,093
Speaker 19: and just this anonymity that he manages to do things

2009
01:44:44,093 --> 01:44:47,893
Speaker 19: around things. You know, he walks around unrecognized, and he

2010
01:44:48,093 --> 01:44:50,253
Speaker 19: rarely seems to realize that he's out of his depth

2011
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Speaker 19: his role of Prime Minister, and his wife Margo seems

2012
01:44:53,133 --> 01:44:55,453
Speaker 19: to be the really strong, ambitious one in the relationship,

2013
01:44:55,493 --> 01:44:58,493
Speaker 19: and you know he comes to this role is through

2014
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Speaker 19: her networking.

2015
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Speaker 11: And Vanessia herself is very interesting. She's clearly intelligent.

2016
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Speaker 19: She's bored, she wants to she's of the lifestyle that

2017
01:45:05,893 --> 01:45:08,053
Speaker 19: she's living. And so the beginning of this affair is

2018
01:45:08,053 --> 01:45:09,933
Speaker 19: she's able to use her mind and she seems to

2019
01:45:10,013 --> 01:45:11,933
Speaker 19: enjoy her stuff at the start, but it's changed.

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Speaker 9: Here.

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Speaker 11: Fascinating read and glimpse into history.

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Speaker 2: Great. Okay, so it's a novel, but it sounds.

2023
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Speaker 19: Yeah, based on those historical documents.

2024
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So that's Precipice by Robert Harris. I'm

2025
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Speaker 2: excited about your next book, Billionaire Nerd Savior King Bill

2026
01:45:26,653 --> 01:45:29,493
Speaker 2: Gates in his Quest to Shape Our World by anupri

2027
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Speaker 2: to Darce.

2028
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Speaker 19: So dars is the finance eder of the New York Times.

2029
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Speaker 19: So she's clearly had a bit to do with Bill

2030
01:45:36,373 --> 01:45:39,733
Speaker 19: Gates overline, and so she looks at a more holistic

2031
01:45:39,773 --> 01:45:42,213
Speaker 19: story than just him. So money and government and wealth

2032
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Speaker 19: and power and media and image. You know, the fortunes

2033
01:45:45,013 --> 01:45:47,773
Speaker 19: of the richest people in the world. And with wealth,

2034
01:45:47,773 --> 01:45:51,253
Speaker 19: of course comes great power. And often in our society,

2035
01:45:51,293 --> 01:45:53,893
Speaker 19: billionaires have found their way around, you know, years of

2036
01:45:54,213 --> 01:45:57,093
Speaker 19: systems of democratic oversight. Really they dodged tax has been

2037
01:45:57,173 --> 01:45:59,013
Speaker 19: politics and create monopolies.

2038
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Speaker 11: And yeah, it's fascinating.

2039
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Speaker 19: So she starts with him in nineteen seventy five as

2040
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Speaker 19: a young man with his school friend Paul Allen writing

2041
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Speaker 19: the first loads of code for the company we all

2042
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Speaker 19: know now as Microsoft, and that blooms and talks about

2043
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Speaker 19: Gates as America's youngest billionaire at thirty one, focused probably

2044
01:46:19,373 --> 01:46:21,173
Speaker 19: a little bit too much on how nerdy he is.

2045
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Speaker 11: But then as.

2046
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Speaker 19: Microsoft competition starts to grow and he excludes products from

2047
01:46:27,373 --> 01:46:31,093
Speaker 19: software platforms. And then there's the anti trust legislation in

2048
01:46:31,133 --> 01:46:33,773
Speaker 19: the States in the nineties that's used against Microsoft, so

2049
01:46:33,813 --> 01:46:36,733
Speaker 19: he starts to move away from the country a company sorry,

2050
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Speaker 19: and then him and his wife Melinda decide to launch

2051
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Speaker 19: the Gates Foundation, and they apply a lot of data

2052
01:46:44,973 --> 01:46:47,693
Speaker 19: and results same practices which he excelled at in Microsoft.

2053
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Speaker 19: And it's quite interesting as he pledges other billionaires to

2054
01:46:50,653 --> 01:46:55,413
Speaker 19: PLEDs money and this light massive, fullan troffic enterprise and

2055
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Speaker 19: they have prevented millions of deaths, you know, billions of

2056
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Speaker 19: dollars into fighting AIDS and tuberculosis and their vaccine alliance

2057
01:47:01,773 --> 01:47:04,413
Speaker 19: which has vaccinated almost half of the world's children.

2058
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Speaker 11: But it also talks about as other taxx like.

2059
01:47:06,973 --> 01:47:10,093
Speaker 19: Jeffrey Epstein when in twenty nineteen he admitted that he

2060
01:47:10,133 --> 01:47:13,253
Speaker 19: had met him on several occasions, and he said that

2061
01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:15,453
Speaker 19: he was introduced to them by the aim of raising

2062
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Speaker 19: funds for his foundation.

2063
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Speaker 11: So it varies, you.

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Speaker 19: Know, but it also talks about his other contemporaries like

2065
01:47:21,693 --> 01:47:24,733
Speaker 19: Warren Buffet and the public perception of billionaires. But it

2066
01:47:24,813 --> 01:47:28,733
Speaker 19: varies away from being a typical biography and interviews people

2067
01:47:28,813 --> 01:47:31,093
Speaker 19: very much on the fringes of gates life and so

2068
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Speaker 19: he gets a very different viewpoint of him. And yeah,

2069
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Speaker 19: I doesn't read as a typical biography, and it jumps

2070
01:47:35,813 --> 01:47:37,533
Speaker 19: around and talks about him and his wife as ex

2071
01:47:37,533 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 19: wife now and early life and contemporary so it's quite

2072
01:47:40,293 --> 01:47:43,013
Speaker 19: an interesting viewpoint and to the world of a billionaire.

2073
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Speaker 2: Ah, sounds so good. Great, thank you Catherine. Okay, that's

2074
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Speaker 2: Billionaire Nerds Savior King Bill Gates Enters Quest to Shape

2075
01:47:50,173 --> 01:47:53,213
Speaker 2: Our World And Catherine's first book is Precipice. That one's

2076
01:47:53,213 --> 01:47:55,093
Speaker 2: by Robert Harris. Both of those will be up on

2077
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Speaker 2: the news talks.

2078
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Speaker 1: He'd be website giving you the inside scoop on all

2079
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Speaker 7: News talks'd be a feel.

2082
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Speaker 12: This.

2083
01:48:28,813 --> 01:48:29,973
Speaker 3: So this.

2084
01:48:32,773 --> 01:48:33,333
Speaker 4: Is Toy.

2085
01:48:36,253 --> 01:48:39,173
Speaker 2: The album is Waves, and this song is called Sober.

2086
01:48:40,173 --> 01:48:43,333
Speaker 2: Our music reviewer Stelle Clifford's been listening Kilder.

2087
01:48:43,773 --> 01:48:47,853
Speaker 22: Wondering that's the album I needed. This is cool, Yeah,

2088
01:48:47,973 --> 01:48:48,733
Speaker 22: and Sober is.

2089
01:48:48,773 --> 01:48:52,933
Speaker 15: Probably it's got that kind of minor key darkness about it,

2090
01:48:53,373 --> 01:48:55,573
Speaker 15: but it's probably the only song that really goes to

2091
01:48:55,693 --> 01:48:56,573
Speaker 15: that kind of space.

2092
01:48:56,813 --> 01:48:59,053
Speaker 22: Yeah, Right, I think for Toy because they're.

2093
01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:02,973
Speaker 15: Quite known for that dub funk soul sound for a

2094
01:49:03,053 --> 01:49:05,533
Speaker 15: lot of it, the tracks have that really more upbeat,

2095
01:49:05,613 --> 01:49:09,493
Speaker 15: positive groove, which Sober still has. But I like it

2096
01:49:09,533 --> 01:49:12,373
Speaker 15: because they're sort of going into a place where, you know,

2097
01:49:12,493 --> 01:49:14,333
Speaker 15: sometimes you go to a darkness and you're like all

2098
01:49:14,373 --> 01:49:16,853
Speaker 15: trying to get back on the right page. And it's

2099
01:49:16,853 --> 01:49:19,293
Speaker 15: sort of got a murky kind of dubness about it,

2100
01:49:19,333 --> 01:49:21,973
Speaker 15: and I think it's nice to see them branch away

2101
01:49:22,093 --> 01:49:24,853
Speaker 15: from just the sunny the sunny kind of songs.

2102
01:49:25,773 --> 01:49:28,373
Speaker 22: Yeah, this album's kind of interesting because they have done

2103
01:49:28,413 --> 01:49:28,613
Speaker 22: it in.

2104
01:49:28,653 --> 01:49:31,933
Speaker 15: A way where if you can, for a first few listens,

2105
01:49:32,013 --> 01:49:35,133
Speaker 15: go from start to finish, that concept album where all

2106
01:49:35,253 --> 01:49:37,813
Speaker 15: the songs kind of connect to each other as you

2107
01:49:37,933 --> 01:49:39,093
Speaker 15: listening to the flow of it.

2108
01:49:39,373 --> 01:49:39,533
Speaker 2: Right.

2109
01:49:40,373 --> 01:49:43,653
Speaker 22: The album opener Temata, which is the garden.

2110
01:49:43,893 --> 01:49:47,453
Speaker 15: It's actually the name of their home studio, which is

2111
01:49:47,573 --> 01:49:49,213
Speaker 15: based in one of their gardens of course.

2112
01:49:49,893 --> 01:49:50,813
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2113
01:49:50,933 --> 01:49:53,413
Speaker 15: And it's beautiful because it's got the sounds of birds

2114
01:49:53,453 --> 01:49:56,693
Speaker 15: and then suddenly this urban sort of soundscape moves into

2115
01:49:56,733 --> 01:49:59,653
Speaker 15: the electronic and then it opens up into the beautiful

2116
01:49:59,693 --> 01:50:02,253
Speaker 15: funk dubs thing that they kind of do, and they

2117
01:50:02,293 --> 01:50:04,573
Speaker 15: shed a little video and it's really great because they're

2118
01:50:04,613 --> 01:50:06,613
Speaker 15: in the studio and then the dogs and the kids

2119
01:50:06,613 --> 01:50:09,893
Speaker 15: are in the paddling pool straight outside, and I think

2120
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Speaker 15: it's shown a real evolution of them as well, like

2121
01:50:11,933 --> 01:50:14,813
Speaker 15: as life changes and grows, you can't escape that, so

2122
01:50:14,893 --> 01:50:17,093
Speaker 15: you just have to include it in your album. Sure, yeah,

2123
01:50:17,973 --> 01:50:19,053
Speaker 15: And I think that's what these.

2124
01:50:18,933 --> 01:50:19,493
Speaker 22: Guys are really.

2125
01:50:19,773 --> 01:50:23,173
Speaker 15: They're really good at they're really taking a soundscape and

2126
01:50:23,213 --> 01:50:24,413
Speaker 15: it's really nice to hear that.

2127
01:50:25,493 --> 01:50:27,733
Speaker 22: I kind of go do many overseas.

2128
01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:30,253
Speaker 15: Bands do that thing where you can record the twoi'es

2129
01:50:30,293 --> 01:50:33,133
Speaker 15: out in your trees no yeah, right, and then make

2130
01:50:33,213 --> 01:50:33,773
Speaker 15: it part.

2131
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Speaker 22: Of your funk soul album.

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Speaker 15: I just I just think that's really I don't know,

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Speaker 15: it's cool, Mahi for me to hear that and then

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Speaker 15: know that that then can go to a bigger world stage,

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Speaker 15: you know, to hear that. Yeah, and they are they

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Speaker 15: are good. They're good at making these soundscapes. It made

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Speaker 15: me feel excited for summer and warmer weather. For those

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Speaker 15: in the Deep South who are going, oh, were ever

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Speaker 15: going to have that? This might be the album that

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Speaker 15: helps you feel.

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Speaker 22: That you lotuallyether to embrace that.

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Speaker 12: There's some real.

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Speaker 15: Super funky, cool licks on this Again, they've been quite experimental.

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Speaker 15: They've always got that big brass section where which again

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Speaker 15: you know, it always sounds amazing unrecorded albums, but I

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Speaker 15: think it speaks volumes for the fact that these are

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Speaker 15: the kinds of bands you want to see live, because

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Speaker 15: all of that just comes to such.

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Speaker 22: A bigger fruition on the live stage.

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Speaker 15: A couple of interlude tracks in this album, which sometimes

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Speaker 15: a hit or miss for me when you get those

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Speaker 15: little bits in between the big songs.

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Speaker 22: But there's one called Sunday and it.

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Speaker 15: Has this real crackling static reverbs that have start and

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Speaker 15: you're like, whoa, that's like it's quite harsh in some

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Speaker 15: sort of ways with the rest of it, but then

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Speaker 15: it opens up into this dreamy Sunday haze and again

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Speaker 15: really shows off their brass.

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Speaker 22: Section that they have in their band, which I.

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Speaker 15: Think again shows them playing a little bit more with

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Speaker 15: what they can do, because they're all really talented musicians.

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Speaker 22: So I feel like they've hit.

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Speaker 15: This album in the garden and is really played with

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01:51:58,653 --> 01:52:00,453
Speaker 15: some of those layers that they do and how to

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Speaker 15: bring that all together.

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Speaker 2: Sounds very sound scapy as well.

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Speaker 15: It sounds scapy, yeah, and again to hear that layering

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Speaker 15: and then sometimes electronic or just that full on bass

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Speaker 15: kind of groove sound that they get, it's playful and

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Speaker 15: it's clever, and I really like to hear.

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Speaker 22: That evolution of what they're doing with their music.

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Speaker 15: They're going to be showcasing this album at MEOO and

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Speaker 15: Wellington next week on the twentieth cool, So if you

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Speaker 15: get a chance to see them, and I wouldn't be surprised,

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Speaker 15: I would assume making big assumption to please that you'll

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Speaker 15: be on the summer festival list somewhere right like when

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01:52:33,533 --> 01:52:37,293
Speaker 15: the new album that speaks to summer surely. Also, if

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Speaker 15: you haven't seen it yet, definitely go into some of

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01:52:38,933 --> 01:52:42,253
Speaker 15: their social media because they show you Timata their studio

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01:52:42,573 --> 01:52:45,613
Speaker 15: and the beautiful place they record. They share some stories

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Speaker 15: behind the scenes of the songs. There's also the video

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Speaker 15: of the song they did for the New Zealand Olympic team. Right,

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Speaker 15: so they actually recorded a song, ain't just dreaming?

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Speaker 2: Well they got the Olympians singing, right, that's right, Max.

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Speaker 22: Brown and Elise Andrew.

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Speaker 15: Because I was like when I said that it featured them,

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Speaker 15: I was like, oh, just the video, right, But actually

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01:53:05,173 --> 01:53:07,373
Speaker 15: they are there in the studio doing some of the

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Speaker 15: chorus stuff out.

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Speaker 9: It was really cool.

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Speaker 15: But they won some medals, So maybe more of our

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Speaker 15: Olympians need to get into the studio before they go

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Speaker 15: and compete.

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Speaker 2: Try their hands another thing. Yeah, oh very good. So

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Speaker 2: what'd you give it?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's a great lesson. I'm going to give it.

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Speaker 15: I hate this, but I'm going to give it a

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Speaker 15: nine out of ten.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nine out of ten. Fantastic. That's pretty there's very high.

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Speaker 22: That's a great listen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand it. Yeah, and I will pelling.

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Speaker 22: Off the layers. I feel like this is the album

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Speaker 22: to soak in.

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Speaker 2: Ye artists too, you know, all right, we'll have more

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Speaker 2: of a listen to a couple of minutes. Thank you, Stelle.

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Speaker 2: There is a Stele comfort. She's our music reviewer. Nine

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Speaker 2: out of teen Churickins waves new album from toy is Worth.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a bit more of a listening a few

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Speaker 2: minutes Age twelve.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 1: Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot is it for

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Speaker 2: Supplements News talks it'd be well in the spirit of

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Speaker 2: TWiki or tail Maudi cooor my two, cooor my two.

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Speaker 2: That means we're finished. We're finished basically, So thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for your company this Saturday morning. Another Saturday

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Speaker 2: has absolutely raced by I very much appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: your text and emails this morning. Mister Jason Pie is

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Speaker 2: going to be behind the mic this afternoon with weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget the little General himself. Stacy Jones is going

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Speaker 2: to be in studio between one and two taking your course,

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Speaker 2: taking Piney's questions as well. Thanks as always to my

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Speaker 2: wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough stuff. She just

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Speaker 2: wants me to remind you. You can go to News Talks,

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Speaker 2: from our show. You can find us on Facebook by

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Speaker 2: searching Jack Tame as well. I'm back next Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: Until then, we're gonna leave you with the new album

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Speaker 2: from Toy. The album's called Waves. This is get to

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Speaker 2: know you, see you soon.

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Speaker 1: A you do me.

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Speaker 7: The top of the stair, your sun.

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Speaker 17: And you want need you.

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Speaker 7: Oh as when we get to know you. This is

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Speaker 7: true what you do, learning everything that you do.

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Speaker 9: Hi, it's just you.

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Speaker 4: Get some ploria.

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Speaker 1: I For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen

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