1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,507 Speaker 1: from Newstalks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 2: EDB. 4 00:00:12,947 --> 00:00:14,107 Speaker 3: James mcconey is here. 5 00:00:14,267 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 4: Hello mate, get a poney, How I am? I'm live 6 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:20,667 Speaker 4: coming to you live from Aucklands via that basin. 7 00:00:21,787 --> 00:00:23,067 Speaker 3: Are you what's the occasion? 8 00:00:24,147 --> 00:00:26,387 Speaker 4: Just having lunch with an American friend of mine is 9 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:30,987 Speaker 4: over here, a rugby guy. Yeah, he's from La Rugby 10 00:00:31,587 --> 00:00:34,027 Speaker 4: and he's just you know, he's taking an interest in 11 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:35,427 Speaker 4: what's going on in New Zealand. 12 00:00:35,907 --> 00:00:36,387 Speaker 3: Good stuff. 13 00:00:36,387 --> 00:00:38,387 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for stepping away and joining us in 14 00:00:38,427 --> 00:00:40,107 Speaker 2: your regular slot. I won't hold you up for too 15 00:00:40,147 --> 00:00:43,267 Speaker 2: long from your from your lunch. Should we just give 16 00:00:43,347 --> 00:00:45,827 Speaker 2: should we just give the Chiefs the Super Rugby Trophy? 17 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:46,067 Speaker 4: Now? 18 00:00:46,107 --> 00:00:46,747 Speaker 3: Should we do that? 19 00:00:47,827 --> 00:00:50,907 Speaker 4: Come on, poney? You know what I've been telling you 20 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:53,947 Speaker 4: that you can't count your chickens, all your cows or 21 00:00:53,947 --> 00:00:57,787 Speaker 4: whatever you've got, whatever livestock you've got, they have to 22 00:00:57,827 --> 00:00:59,947 Speaker 4: hatch first. At the moment, the Chiefs are looking fine, 23 00:00:59,987 --> 00:01:03,027 Speaker 4: but I mean, nobody wants to play the Hurricanes. You know, 24 00:01:03,027 --> 00:01:06,147 Speaker 4: I've said that they look like you know, a good French. 25 00:01:06,547 --> 00:01:08,947 Speaker 4: They slept, they still seem to score points at well. 26 00:01:10,227 --> 00:01:12,707 Speaker 4: I think they'll probably win in Canberra and come back 27 00:01:12,747 --> 00:01:15,947 Speaker 4: and terrorize whoever they've got next. So no, I'm not 28 00:01:16,027 --> 00:01:18,267 Speaker 4: counting the Chiefs yourself. Ah. 29 00:01:18,387 --> 00:01:20,827 Speaker 2: Look, I mean I was just trying to jinx them 30 00:01:20,867 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 2: more than anything. Not that I have the power, of 31 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:26,987 Speaker 2: course to do such things, but yeah, I enjoyed the 32 00:01:27,027 --> 00:01:31,027 Speaker 2: Hurricanes last night. You know, look, Moe and Pacific I 33 00:01:31,067 --> 00:01:33,747 Speaker 2: have had an absolutely tremendous season. But you look at 34 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:35,467 Speaker 2: the last couple of games. They just kind of ran 35 00:01:35,507 --> 00:01:37,707 Speaker 2: out of gas, didn't they. And that's probably understandable. But 36 00:01:38,147 --> 00:01:41,227 Speaker 2: you know, what a season they have produced. It'll be 37 00:01:41,267 --> 00:01:42,747 Speaker 2: one I'm sure they look back on as a bit 38 00:01:42,747 --> 00:01:46,267 Speaker 2: of a turning point for that whole franchise. 39 00:01:46,347 --> 00:01:50,867 Speaker 4: Really exactly. I think what they've done and just you know, 40 00:01:51,027 --> 00:01:56,747 Speaker 4: captured the imagination of fans and provided some fat rugby 41 00:01:57,107 --> 00:02:02,787 Speaker 4: highlight reels Ardie Savier, miracle fire Lungey. Even I look 42 00:02:02,827 --> 00:02:05,187 Speaker 4: at Pellegrini and to say, well, is he one of 43 00:02:05,187 --> 00:02:09,467 Speaker 4: the best newcomers real and super rugby along with their 44 00:02:09,547 --> 00:02:13,907 Speaker 4: number eight to missi Tupou Lawa And in fact, I 45 00:02:13,947 --> 00:02:16,387 Speaker 4: mean I was going to do something PROMPTU Rugby would 46 00:02:16,427 --> 00:02:19,827 Speaker 4: so I would say in terms of newcomers, you know, 47 00:02:19,987 --> 00:02:24,867 Speaker 4: Callum Harkin, Finang a Norful for the Hurricanes and then 48 00:02:25,467 --> 00:02:27,907 Speaker 4: even the likes of Cam Presty for the for the Blues. 49 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:30,387 Speaker 4: There's been some really cool things that have that have 50 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:32,947 Speaker 4: happened throughout Super Rugby with new faces. 51 00:02:33,507 --> 00:02:36,427 Speaker 3: Leroy Carter, would you call them a new face? Leroy Carter? 52 00:02:36,747 --> 00:02:38,507 Speaker 3: I know he's been around the seven circu but he's 53 00:02:38,507 --> 00:02:39,227 Speaker 3: another one, isn't he? 54 00:02:39,947 --> 00:02:43,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, Leroy exactly. I mean there are even Carl Preston 55 00:02:43,627 --> 00:02:47,067 Speaker 4: for the Crusaders right like finally getting his chance. So 56 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,827 Speaker 4: look that's the other thing is and then there's you've 57 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:54,147 Speaker 4: got your bolts and I think I've now my bolts 58 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,387 Speaker 4: to your master. Is that the right terminology party? I'm 59 00:02:57,387 --> 00:03:00,387 Speaker 4: not quite sure, but let's use it. Let's use it. 60 00:03:00,827 --> 00:03:03,987 Speaker 4: I've gone with Simon Parker, Brody McAllister both from the 61 00:03:04,067 --> 00:03:07,027 Speaker 4: Chiefs that's a blindside and the hooker baby in Holland. 62 00:03:07,107 --> 00:03:08,587 Speaker 4: Can you call him a bolter? He's going to get 63 00:03:08,587 --> 00:03:13,987 Speaker 4: picked the big Landers lock too, ps Kadifi again he's 64 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:17,107 Speaker 4: just an all black and waiting. And Caleb Taneytowe. I 65 00:03:17,107 --> 00:03:19,547 Speaker 4: think they might just go for some maverick out wide 66 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:22,307 Speaker 4: and those are my bolters, all right. 67 00:03:22,347 --> 00:03:24,827 Speaker 2: I'm going to add Josh Fussitur to that, although I'm 68 00:03:24,867 --> 00:03:25,907 Speaker 2: not sure he's a bolter either. 69 00:03:26,947 --> 00:03:28,227 Speaker 3: He is in the fact that he's never been an 70 00:03:28,227 --> 00:03:28,947 Speaker 3: All Black before. 71 00:03:28,987 --> 00:03:31,107 Speaker 2: But he looks every inch and all Black, doesn't he 72 00:03:31,107 --> 00:03:33,307 Speaker 2: This time last year it was Xavier Numa, who I 73 00:03:33,307 --> 00:03:36,147 Speaker 2: think everybody was picking until he picked up that calf injury. 74 00:03:36,387 --> 00:03:39,067 Speaker 2: I really like Josh Tour and Paul Tito an hour 75 00:03:39,147 --> 00:03:41,347 Speaker 2: or so ago said he's one of the hardest workers 76 00:03:41,347 --> 00:03:44,547 Speaker 2: in the Blues changing room. You know, he's always doing 77 00:03:44,547 --> 00:03:46,627 Speaker 2: the extras, always there on days off. I think he 78 00:03:46,667 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 2: deserves a. 79 00:03:47,107 --> 00:03:50,947 Speaker 4: Crack agreed, And I think Josh has probably shown just 80 00:03:50,987 --> 00:03:54,227 Speaker 4: in terms of being that workhorse, the unsung hero, he 81 00:03:54,347 --> 00:03:57,587 Speaker 4: still he actually shows up on the stats and and 82 00:03:57,707 --> 00:04:00,027 Speaker 4: surprises you. I think it was twenty three tackles the 83 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:03,507 Speaker 4: other day in that epic Artie Savier game against Wana. 84 00:04:03,587 --> 00:04:06,107 Speaker 4: And by the way, how about the spicy bet banter 85 00:04:06,347 --> 00:04:08,307 Speaker 4: between those two franchise. 86 00:04:07,907 --> 00:04:10,627 Speaker 3: If we can touch on that, yes, please. 87 00:04:10,587 --> 00:04:15,387 Speaker 4: The Instagram post where a while ago one of Pacifica 88 00:04:15,427 --> 00:04:17,467 Speaker 4: when they beat the Blue Seat. Keep on doubting us, 89 00:04:17,947 --> 00:04:20,787 Speaker 4: We're just picking the right time, don't care whose side 90 00:04:20,787 --> 00:04:25,627 Speaker 4: you're on. There's only one team in Auckland that represents 91 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:29,947 Speaker 4: all the PACIFICA And then the Blues replied last night 92 00:04:30,027 --> 00:04:34,147 Speaker 4: with the same post that said the last sentence was 93 00:04:34,187 --> 00:04:37,107 Speaker 4: there's only one team in Auckland in the playoffs. And 94 00:04:37,187 --> 00:04:40,907 Speaker 4: suddenly art is piling in talking about lions. Don't listen 95 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:44,347 Speaker 4: to sheep or don't follow sheep, and then the band 96 00:04:44,747 --> 00:04:49,387 Speaker 4: I just posted the popcorn guests, you know, the popcorn 97 00:04:49,467 --> 00:04:52,947 Speaker 4: me yecause they're all in there, Hoskins of two who 98 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 4: Rico Yojuani. So I'm not sure if I'm recommending Instagram 99 00:04:57,427 --> 00:05:00,187 Speaker 4: to the wrong audience, but it's it's kicking off right now. 100 00:05:00,427 --> 00:05:01,707 Speaker 3: Absolutely no, you're not at all. 101 00:05:01,827 --> 00:05:03,747 Speaker 2: Is a lot of Instagram users in our audience, and 102 00:05:03,787 --> 00:05:06,947 Speaker 2: they'll be having a look once they'll finished list to you. 103 00:05:07,427 --> 00:05:10,747 Speaker 2: Can we just touch on another couple of topics. Costa 104 00:05:10,787 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 2: Barbarusis is leaving Wellington Phoenix. Was this a surprise when 105 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:15,947 Speaker 2: you heard this news? 106 00:05:17,067 --> 00:05:21,427 Speaker 4: Well, I mean he is, he's very much a Wellington lad. 107 00:05:21,547 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 4: He's you know, he's love being back there with his 108 00:05:24,187 --> 00:05:27,707 Speaker 4: daughters and reconnected with the family and going to the 109 00:05:27,747 --> 00:05:31,627 Speaker 4: Many Greek restaurants around Wellington. But this is the thing 110 00:05:31,667 --> 00:05:35,307 Speaker 4: that that's gutting for the Phoenix. I actually think they 111 00:05:35,347 --> 00:05:38,107 Speaker 4: were brilliant last year, easily as good as awkwad they 112 00:05:38,147 --> 00:05:41,307 Speaker 4: see where this year and now you just watch it crumbling. 113 00:05:41,747 --> 00:05:44,867 Speaker 4: And what's even sadder for them is there's players who 114 00:05:44,867 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 4: you'd say young players who will take another couple of 115 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:52,027 Speaker 4: years to develop, but they're going to lead as soon 116 00:05:52,067 --> 00:05:54,867 Speaker 4: as there is any interest from Europe. So they're in 117 00:05:54,907 --> 00:05:57,827 Speaker 4: a really bad cycle right now. You lose your best 118 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:00,587 Speaker 4: senior pro which is kind of what the A League 119 00:06:00,587 --> 00:06:03,187 Speaker 4: has built on that. You know, the final last night 120 00:06:03,747 --> 00:06:05,827 Speaker 4: was won by Melbourne City with the guy called as 121 00:06:05,867 --> 00:06:07,947 Speaker 4: He's Behead too you might remember from the World Cup, 122 00:06:08,027 --> 00:06:11,867 Speaker 4: had a run like Maradona against Argentina, didn't score. But 123 00:06:12,427 --> 00:06:14,667 Speaker 4: these guys that come back and bolster teams that you 124 00:06:14,827 --> 00:06:16,667 Speaker 4: need them to win in the A League And that 125 00:06:16,827 --> 00:06:20,627 Speaker 4: is pretty bad for the for the Phoenix, wouldn't. 126 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:23,387 Speaker 2: You say, yep, let's hope they can use the salary 127 00:06:23,427 --> 00:06:26,307 Speaker 2: they'll save in an effective way. That is the upside 128 00:06:26,307 --> 00:06:28,787 Speaker 2: of this. I've got some money freed up from cost 129 00:06:28,787 --> 00:06:30,987 Speaker 2: as salary, but now they have to spend it wisely. Hey, 130 00:06:31,027 --> 00:06:33,347 Speaker 2: on your show notes today, I've got here being great 131 00:06:33,387 --> 00:06:37,027 Speaker 2: without winning. What was that aimed at me in any way. 132 00:06:38,307 --> 00:06:40,907 Speaker 4: Of course? Party, Yeah, it's right. I'm sure you'll pick 133 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:42,867 Speaker 4: up a goal that the radio would so you'll finally 134 00:06:42,907 --> 00:06:45,467 Speaker 4: be great and when makes are the running champion, so 135 00:06:45,987 --> 00:06:48,147 Speaker 4: you can just stand down. This isn't about you, poney. 136 00:06:48,467 --> 00:06:50,667 Speaker 4: There's more about teams that I just sort of think 137 00:06:50,947 --> 00:06:53,867 Speaker 4: you have to give them recognition. And this I think 138 00:06:53,907 --> 00:06:56,347 Speaker 4: Auckland f C sort of remind me of that one 139 00:06:56,387 --> 00:06:59,547 Speaker 4: of PACIFICA reminded me that for all the amazing things 140 00:06:59,547 --> 00:07:01,787 Speaker 4: that they did, you have to remember that you can 141 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:04,707 Speaker 4: be great without winning. We've got, obviously the ultimate example, 142 00:07:04,787 --> 00:07:09,267 Speaker 4: which is the twenty ten They didn't they didn't win, 143 00:07:09,347 --> 00:07:11,587 Speaker 4: but they didn't lose. And I think there's a couple 144 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,187 Speaker 4: of silver fans netball teams where you know, one don 145 00:07:14,187 --> 00:07:16,587 Speaker 4: a lof Hagen goal would have turned them into all 146 00:07:16,627 --> 00:07:19,307 Speaker 4: time greats and they just missed out. But it doesn't 147 00:07:19,387 --> 00:07:21,667 Speaker 4: change the fact that that team was great. The nineteen 148 00:07:21,707 --> 00:07:23,947 Speaker 4: ninety five All Blacks that made the World Cup final, 149 00:07:24,427 --> 00:07:27,467 Speaker 4: we're a great side. So I know we love you 150 00:07:27,507 --> 00:07:29,787 Speaker 4: want the w and the column you want the win, 151 00:07:29,947 --> 00:07:33,067 Speaker 4: you want the trophy to be lifted, but I'm staying 152 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:34,947 Speaker 4: here now. You can still be great without winning. 153 00:07:35,347 --> 00:07:36,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I love that. 154 00:07:36,547 --> 00:07:40,867 Speaker 2: And actually ninety five that's where my mind went automatically. 155 00:07:41,227 --> 00:07:41,787 Speaker 3: Man, that was. 156 00:07:41,827 --> 00:07:45,547 Speaker 2: Yere's thirty years ago. Now that Jonah ran over the 157 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:48,587 Speaker 2: top of Mike care that's mental, isn't it thirty years ago? 158 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:52,227 Speaker 4: It's crazy? And that team changed all black rugby and 159 00:07:52,307 --> 00:07:55,267 Speaker 4: so you know all those guys. Actually, I think Sky's 160 00:07:55,347 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 4: working on a documentary right now that'll be really worth 161 00:07:58,667 --> 00:08:01,507 Speaker 4: a watch where they talk about, you know, the loss 162 00:08:01,507 --> 00:08:04,987 Speaker 4: of ninety four in France, how it sort of triggered 163 00:08:05,027 --> 00:08:07,827 Speaker 4: everything to try from the end of the year that 164 00:08:07,907 --> 00:08:10,227 Speaker 4: France scored the last time the Orbles lost at Eden 165 00:08:10,267 --> 00:08:13,147 Speaker 4: Park and since then it triggered many things, including a 166 00:08:13,227 --> 00:08:16,547 Speaker 4: change in style and being more adventurous. And yeah, that 167 00:08:16,667 --> 00:08:19,467 Speaker 4: ninety five team was epic, but hey, they didn't win. 168 00:08:20,067 --> 00:08:23,067 Speaker 4: It gave one of the actually provided because theously one 169 00:08:23,107 --> 00:08:26,867 Speaker 4: of the greatest moments. Terrible movie though in Victis zero 170 00:08:26,947 --> 00:08:31,467 Speaker 4: stars one of the greatest moments in sport, with Nelson 171 00:08:31,467 --> 00:08:37,307 Speaker 4: Mandela and Francois Pina enjoying the William Worbillis trophy being lifted. 172 00:08:37,787 --> 00:08:40,387 Speaker 2: Yep, it was iconic stuff. I feel like I've kept 173 00:08:40,427 --> 00:08:43,427 Speaker 2: you from your American friend for far too long, James. 174 00:08:43,467 --> 00:08:45,267 Speaker 3: I feel like I've released you back. 175 00:08:46,307 --> 00:08:49,507 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Yeah, tag and release. That's fine, piney. 176 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:51,947 Speaker 4: I'll be back swimming back to you next week. Like 177 00:08:52,067 --> 00:08:54,187 Speaker 4: salmon upstream, right. 178 00:08:54,027 --> 00:08:56,627 Speaker 2: Mate, We'll go and enjoy some smoke salmon and the 179 00:08:56,707 --> 00:08:59,027 Speaker 2: viaduct or whatever it is that you're fancy for lunch, 180 00:08:59,227 --> 00:09:01,627 Speaker 2: and we'll chat next week. James mccony huge part of 181 00:09:01,627 --> 00:09:04,187 Speaker 2: our Sundays here on News Talks. 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