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Speaker 1: Thomas coglan is with me. Hello, Thomas, Heather good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: should obviously say political editor at the Herald go into

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Speaker 1: the turkey.

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Speaker 2: Thomas, So, sorry turkey for Thanksgiving? You means well, I

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Speaker 2: lived in America once for a year. Didn't exchange you

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Speaker 2: over there, and I did the whole Thanksgiving thing. It

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Speaker 2: just feels it feels a wee bit early for our holiday,

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Speaker 2: like it sort of feels like a fake Christmas. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: and I don't really like turkey, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was looking for right there. Turkey is sucky. Okay, now, Thomas.

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Speaker 1: The Labor conference in Auckland this weekend, are we expecting

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Speaker 1: anything out of it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is likely to be a policy announcement. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't hold my breath for anything big. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a policy announcement that will fill

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Speaker 2: in some of the blanks or compliment what they've already announced,

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Speaker 2: which is the CGT plus the free GP visits and

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Speaker 2: the cervical screening policy. So I mean, look, just this

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Speaker 2: is just guesswork. So maybe they're putting something else on

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Speaker 2: their metacard, which is you know you're going to get

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Speaker 2: sick of seeing that medicard before the election next year.

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Speaker 2: But in the opportunity for Chrisippins to wave that card

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Speaker 2: of the camera, they will take. So I'd imagine maybe

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Speaker 2: there'll be something that I'll learn onto that.

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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do with the medicard? What's

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Speaker 1: going to get me?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, if you're the Labor Party, it's going to

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Speaker 2: get you. Like this is this is part of an

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Speaker 2: industrial scale intellectual property theft from Australian political parties. I

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Speaker 2: think this is the Labor Party in New Zealand stole

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Speaker 2: this from Anthony Albanzi, who basically used the Australian medicrd

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Speaker 2: s is keita winning the Australian I.

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Speaker 1: Remain confused about it, other than the symbolism of it,

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Speaker 1: because I can go to the doctor now and get

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that I could get regardless of whether

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Speaker 1: I had a little red card in my head.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think. I think it's just it's something that

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Speaker 2: they can give you so that you can tangibly hold

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Speaker 2: your It's a political thing. It is something to say

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Speaker 2: hither that is your card, and we the Labor government,

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Speaker 2: have given you this card and given you these freez

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Speaker 2: p visits. So remember remember us and you know, like

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Speaker 2: like how many conversations have you had about a super

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Speaker 2: Gold card that that haven't ended in you know, talking

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Speaker 2: about Winston Peter's people will if Labor does get it

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Speaker 2: across the line, people will remember it for a very

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Speaker 2: very long time.

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Speaker 1: But the super Gold card at least has a value,

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Speaker 1: like you can you can go up to the thing

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Speaker 1: and flash your super Gold card and you get something

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Speaker 1: that other people without the card can't get. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I mean this card is going to

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Speaker 2: have an app which you can also used if gets

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Speaker 2: policies across the line. It is I can see, you

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Speaker 2: can see that there would be possible to do free

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Speaker 2: GP visits without the card.

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Speaker 1: Everything about the card is at the stage universal. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: whether you have the card or not, you are entitled

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Speaker 1: to it. Though, so the card means nothing. So the

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Speaker 1: cards going straight in the bin, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you well, I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: you do need the card to get the policies in

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Speaker 2: the future. I think they're going to put them on

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Speaker 2: an app.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but yes, your cards are very nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 1: aren't they now? Takuter Ferris has been asking Labor for

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Speaker 1: restraint when it comes to running in the Maori seats.

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Speaker 1: What does he actually mean by that.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Maori seat a lot of votes, blessing and

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Speaker 2: they always they have been for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: What that means is that it's quite common to give

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Speaker 2: the Labor Party your party vote in the Maori seats

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Speaker 2: and then to vote for another candidate in the Marori

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Speaker 2: seats from a different party. He is basically saying, let's

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Speaker 2: do that again and vote for me for your candidate vote,

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Speaker 2: so I get in and give your party votes to

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Speaker 2: Labor if you want. What that would do is create

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Speaker 2: an overhang in parliament, so you get extra seats in Parliament,

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Speaker 2: and that would give the left wing block, the anti

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Speaker 2: coalition block, and advantage when it comes to forming a government.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting strategy. It's a sort of two for

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Speaker 2: one strategy. It's a bit of a dangerous game, of course,

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Speaker 2: because imagine, imagine if you get to election night and

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Speaker 2: you find that it is the overhang that has caused

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Speaker 2: the government to change. If this sort of quirk of

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Speaker 2: electoral law is the thing that determines the government's changing

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Speaker 2: or not changing, then of course, it could risk undermining

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Speaker 2: the kind of mandate for the multi seats to continue existing,

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Speaker 2: because we remember, you know ACT in New Zealand, First

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Speaker 2: National I think still as a party is in favor

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Speaker 2: of eventually facing them out, So you probably wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: to give those parties an excuse to accelerate that policy

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Speaker 2: to get rid of the sets completely.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, that's fair point, okay, Thomas, listen, thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: We'll read the political week that was with you later

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Speaker 1: about quarter past sex Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor.

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