1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,627 --> 00:00:16,227 Speaker 2: For New Zealand Chief Executive Jenny Wiley says her board 4 00:00:16,627 --> 00:00:20,827 Speaker 2: will review their ruling over goal shoot Grace Wecke's Silver 5 00:00:20,947 --> 00:00:22,227 Speaker 2: Ferns eligibility. 6 00:00:22,827 --> 00:00:24,747 Speaker 3: Tara Conin thank. 7 00:00:24,667 --> 00:00:27,867 Speaker 2: Would be the take of the day. I think Grace 8 00:00:27,947 --> 00:00:34,987 Speaker 2: Wicking how did she keep that alive? Grace Wicky currently 9 00:00:35,107 --> 00:00:38,227 Speaker 2: unable to be selected for New Zealand's tests this year 10 00:00:38,307 --> 00:00:42,147 Speaker 2: after relocating from the Northern Mystics to Australia's Supernetball with 11 00:00:42,187 --> 00:00:45,587 Speaker 2: the New South Wales Swifts. She has been vocal though 12 00:00:45,627 --> 00:00:48,987 Speaker 2: about her desire to still represent the Ferns this year. 13 00:00:49,227 --> 00:00:51,667 Speaker 2: Jenny Wiley told news Talks dB this week they're aware 14 00:00:51,707 --> 00:00:54,347 Speaker 2: of Wiki's desire to pull on the black dress and 15 00:00:54,387 --> 00:01:00,547 Speaker 2: they're continually reviewing and revising their views on their eligibility rules. 16 00:01:00,907 --> 00:01:04,107 Speaker 2: What about the coach? Silver Ferns coach Dame Nolen Toddauer 17 00:01:04,547 --> 00:01:06,667 Speaker 2: is with us. Dave Nolen, thanks for taking the time 18 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:09,227 Speaker 2: for a check. Do you want Grace Wecker to play 19 00:01:09,267 --> 00:01:10,067 Speaker 2: for you this year? 20 00:01:10,787 --> 00:01:15,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I've been open about that and right from 21 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:18,347 Speaker 3: the start. When when you she was keen to come 22 00:01:18,387 --> 00:01:22,907 Speaker 3: over to Sydney or to play in the ECCN and 23 00:01:23,067 --> 00:01:27,107 Speaker 3: understanding her reason as well is to be better and 24 00:01:27,147 --> 00:01:29,307 Speaker 3: to be a better netballer, but also to be a 25 00:01:29,307 --> 00:01:32,547 Speaker 3: better silver Fern, So you know the intent is there. 26 00:01:32,707 --> 00:01:35,227 Speaker 3: She still wants to play and definitely I support that. 27 00:01:35,587 --> 00:01:38,667 Speaker 2: How much influence can you have as silver Fern's coach 28 00:01:38,827 --> 00:01:40,867 Speaker 2: on the decision of the board. 29 00:01:42,827 --> 00:01:46,587 Speaker 3: I think, well, I don't know about influence, but I'm 30 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:52,507 Speaker 3: not short in putting my thoughts through and not necessarily justification, 31 00:01:52,747 --> 00:01:56,107 Speaker 3: but also understanding where we are, all the silver Ferns 32 00:01:56,147 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 3: are and where we're currently sitting as well against other 33 00:01:59,947 --> 00:02:03,827 Speaker 3: international countries. The great thing that you alluded to in 34 00:02:03,867 --> 00:02:08,547 Speaker 3: your starting of this conversation is that the board is open, 35 00:02:09,147 --> 00:02:12,547 Speaker 3: so it's not a closed shop, and that's also supported 36 00:02:12,547 --> 00:02:15,427 Speaker 3: by Jenny. So you know they're going through their process 37 00:02:15,507 --> 00:02:17,547 Speaker 3: and definitely I'll put my thoughts through. 38 00:02:17,787 --> 00:02:19,827 Speaker 2: Do you feel positive that you'll get the outcome that 39 00:02:19,867 --> 00:02:20,307 Speaker 2: you're after? 40 00:02:21,987 --> 00:02:24,947 Speaker 3: Look, I understand actually on the flip side where the 41 00:02:24,987 --> 00:02:29,547 Speaker 3: board is at, and that that story hasn't changed, you know, 42 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:33,067 Speaker 3: even from my time with the Laura Langman's the Marias 43 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:38,547 Speaker 3: to Taya who was playing over in SECN. So I 44 00:02:38,627 --> 00:02:43,267 Speaker 3: understand the commercial value of having all our players playing 45 00:02:43,307 --> 00:02:46,307 Speaker 3: in New Zealand. That makes sense to me and what 46 00:02:46,347 --> 00:02:49,347 Speaker 3: that means around the broadcasting, So you know, it's not 47 00:02:49,507 --> 00:02:51,587 Speaker 3: just the one track pony, and they've got to take 48 00:02:51,707 --> 00:02:56,907 Speaker 3: all the details into consideration, I think as well, not 49 00:02:57,107 --> 00:03:01,787 Speaker 3: knowing where am Z is, you know, and the decisions 50 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,787 Speaker 3: that need to be made from the board perspective, that 51 00:03:04,907 --> 00:03:07,227 Speaker 3: will all come into time and that would all have 52 00:03:07,307 --> 00:03:09,947 Speaker 3: to be swooped up in the division around Grace as well. 53 00:03:10,507 --> 00:03:13,307 Speaker 2: You've obviously landed on the concern which is that allowing 54 00:03:13,347 --> 00:03:15,147 Speaker 2: Grace to play for the Silver Ferns this year might 55 00:03:15,187 --> 00:03:18,067 Speaker 2: set a precedent and other players would play their domestic 56 00:03:18,067 --> 00:03:20,587 Speaker 2: netball in Australia instead of New Zealand. Do you think 57 00:03:20,627 --> 00:03:22,987 Speaker 2: that risk is real or is it more likely that 58 00:03:23,067 --> 00:03:27,187 Speaker 2: only specific players like Grace will actually play in Australia. 59 00:03:28,027 --> 00:03:31,347 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, the thing is about over an e sec 60 00:03:31,547 --> 00:03:35,787 Speaker 3: and or Australia is the pure numbers. So it's six 61 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:38,987 Speaker 3: to one, So six players over in New Zealand in 62 00:03:38,987 --> 00:03:43,467 Speaker 3: comparison to one, so the population is massive and as 63 00:03:43,507 --> 00:03:46,027 Speaker 3: has been seen over the last three, four or five 64 00:03:46,147 --> 00:03:48,907 Speaker 3: years or the inception of SEC and they get an 65 00:03:48,947 --> 00:03:52,347 Speaker 3: influx of the best players as well. So you know, 66 00:03:53,027 --> 00:03:56,867 Speaker 3: I personally think might be about five or six that's 67 00:03:56,947 --> 00:04:01,507 Speaker 3: realistic that will come or be approached, and which means 68 00:04:01,507 --> 00:04:04,987 Speaker 3: that the domestic competition is not going to be gutted. 69 00:04:05,347 --> 00:04:07,467 Speaker 3: You know, They're still going to be quality players that 70 00:04:07,507 --> 00:04:11,987 Speaker 3: will be playing domestically, and I think once again that's 71 00:04:12,027 --> 00:04:14,707 Speaker 3: the thing that we have to be mindful of that 72 00:04:14,827 --> 00:04:16,907 Speaker 3: it's not going to be an influx of players coming 73 00:04:16,907 --> 00:04:19,987 Speaker 3: over to SECN in my in my perspective. 74 00:04:19,587 --> 00:04:22,467 Speaker 2: Indeed, and in your role, Dan Noline, as silver Fern's coach, 75 00:04:22,587 --> 00:04:25,227 Speaker 2: does it actually matter to you where your best players 76 00:04:25,267 --> 00:04:27,947 Speaker 2: are playing as long as they are playing at a 77 00:04:27,947 --> 00:04:28,467 Speaker 2: good level. 78 00:04:30,027 --> 00:04:33,787 Speaker 3: What I've seen as well over the years in you know, 79 00:04:33,947 --> 00:04:37,667 Speaker 3: like maybe last ten even in twenty nineteen when we 80 00:04:37,667 --> 00:04:41,307 Speaker 3: were number one at that time and took the Netwell 81 00:04:41,347 --> 00:04:44,827 Speaker 3: World Cup and it was really only a two horse race, 82 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:48,427 Speaker 3: which was New Zealand and Australia. And with the event 83 00:04:48,547 --> 00:04:51,427 Speaker 3: of more competition now, whether it be the A and Z, 84 00:04:51,867 --> 00:04:55,467 Speaker 3: SECN or Vitality, it means a lot of other countries 85 00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:59,987 Speaker 3: are now getting exposed to the high performance program. And 86 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:03,027 Speaker 3: when I look at Jamaica, for instance, they've probably got 87 00:05:03,067 --> 00:05:08,627 Speaker 3: about six or seven of their current starting team that's 88 00:05:08,787 --> 00:05:13,187 Speaker 3: applying their trade in FeCN. So what countries don't have 89 00:05:13,427 --> 00:05:17,667 Speaker 3: in regards to financials and having a good high performance 90 00:05:17,707 --> 00:05:20,507 Speaker 3: program in their home country, now they can get it 91 00:05:20,547 --> 00:05:24,347 Speaker 3: from other places. And with the likes now of where 92 00:05:24,467 --> 00:05:29,267 Speaker 3: Jamaica is England are, it's not just a two horse 93 00:05:29,347 --> 00:05:31,107 Speaker 3: race that it has been in history. 94 00:05:32,347 --> 00:05:34,347 Speaker 2: If we put Grace to one side, how do you 95 00:05:34,387 --> 00:05:37,227 Speaker 2: evaluate the depth and quality of the other shooters at 96 00:05:37,267 --> 00:05:38,427 Speaker 2: your disposal right now? 97 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:44,107 Speaker 3: Thought, I believe we still got quality in New Zealand. 98 00:05:45,147 --> 00:05:48,467 Speaker 3: There is depths, but not quite at the stage the 99 00:05:48,507 --> 00:05:53,427 Speaker 3: readiness to be able to play internationally. What we do 100 00:05:53,547 --> 00:05:56,627 Speaker 3: know is, you know Grace when she's involved with us, 101 00:05:56,707 --> 00:05:59,947 Speaker 3: and that was shown in twenty twenty three when she 102 00:05:59,987 --> 00:06:03,787 Speaker 3: got injured at Netbleworld carp she's probably at least a 103 00:06:03,827 --> 00:06:07,387 Speaker 3: thirteen point difference to us. When we have her ound 104 00:06:07,427 --> 00:06:11,267 Speaker 3: on court, we're hitting around high fifties sixties. In regards 105 00:06:11,307 --> 00:06:14,587 Speaker 3: to volume. We still have those shooters, but not at 106 00:06:14,587 --> 00:06:16,547 Speaker 3: the same volume that Grace can produce. 107 00:06:17,307 --> 00:06:19,827 Speaker 2: So this year You'll host South Africa in three tiny 108 00:06:19,867 --> 00:06:23,547 Speaker 2: Jamison Trophy matches in September, then Consolation Cup against Australia 109 00:06:23,587 --> 00:06:26,387 Speaker 2: four tests, so just seven this year, Dan Noline, Is 110 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:28,747 Speaker 2: that enough as you build towards Colm Games next year? 111 00:06:29,667 --> 00:06:29,827 Speaker 1: Oh? 112 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:33,107 Speaker 3: Look, I would love more what we've always had in 113 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:35,787 Speaker 3: the past once again, as we've had a generary tour, 114 00:06:36,747 --> 00:06:40,707 Speaker 3: So our annual test will probably or calendar will probably 115 00:06:40,747 --> 00:06:45,947 Speaker 3: be around ten ten to maybe ten to twelve. I 116 00:06:46,227 --> 00:06:49,587 Speaker 3: also know next year we're going into the Commonwealth Games 117 00:06:50,507 --> 00:06:52,627 Speaker 3: that will be off the back of A and Z, 118 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:55,827 Speaker 3: so we won't have time to have tests next year 119 00:06:55,867 --> 00:06:59,107 Speaker 3: as well, so I'm squeezing out as much as possible 120 00:06:59,147 --> 00:07:02,227 Speaker 3: to get more tests. Don't know if that's going to happen. 121 00:07:02,267 --> 00:07:05,987 Speaker 3: You know, that's open at the moment. Otherwise we've got 122 00:07:06,027 --> 00:07:09,387 Speaker 3: to create that competition and we've got to create it 123 00:07:09,467 --> 00:07:12,907 Speaker 3: ourselves and that's pretty hard, but it's something that would 124 00:07:12,907 --> 00:07:16,387 Speaker 3: probably have to do. So yeah, I'd love more. I 125 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:16,987 Speaker 3: need more. 126 00:07:17,987 --> 00:07:19,707 Speaker 2: And as you alluded to before the new am Z 127 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:23,347 Speaker 2: Premiership season starts soon, but have you got any clarity 128 00:07:23,987 --> 00:07:26,907 Speaker 2: around the shape of the competition beyond this year? 129 00:07:28,267 --> 00:07:31,867 Speaker 3: No, I you know, I've been in discussions as well, 130 00:07:31,907 --> 00:07:36,627 Speaker 3: and our CEO has kept me what to call it, 131 00:07:37,067 --> 00:07:40,627 Speaker 3: in touch, you updated with what's happening, and unfortunately I 132 00:07:41,147 --> 00:07:46,147 Speaker 3: don't know what is actually happening. So you know, hopefully 133 00:07:46,347 --> 00:07:49,787 Speaker 3: very soon that these discussions will be cemented and we 134 00:07:49,907 --> 00:07:53,307 Speaker 3: know where twenty twenty six going to be for our 135 00:07:53,387 --> 00:07:55,987 Speaker 3: A and Z players, but also for the Silver Ferns. 136 00:07:57,107 --> 00:08:00,067 Speaker 3: So no, I can't add anything to that discussion at all. 137 00:08:00,227 --> 00:08:02,427 Speaker 2: Not fair enough. Well, I hope Senaty prevails and you 138 00:08:02,467 --> 00:08:05,747 Speaker 2: get access to Grace this year. Dan Nolane, Happy Easter. 139 00:08:05,827 --> 00:08:07,707 Speaker 2: Thanks for join. We'll I catch up again soon. 140 00:08:08,227 --> 00:08:09,827 Speaker 3: Happy thanks for the call. 141 00:08:09,987 --> 00:08:11,987 Speaker 2: No, thank you for taking the call. Dame Nole and 142 00:08:11,987 --> 00:08:15,107 Speaker 2: Nolan Todo them the coach of the Silver Ferns just 143 00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:17,507 Speaker 2: seems like a no brainer to me. You know, why 144 00:08:17,547 --> 00:08:22,187 Speaker 2: would just stop Dame Noling Todor from picking her best shooter. 145 00:08:23,467 --> 00:08:25,987 Speaker 2: It's a Netball New Zealand rule. This isn't the same 146 00:08:26,027 --> 00:08:29,187 Speaker 2: as the all blacks eligibility. Let's not compare the two things. 147 00:08:29,707 --> 00:08:34,187 Speaker 2: They are miles apart. And this isn't going to open 148 00:08:34,267 --> 00:08:38,547 Speaker 2: up a exodus of top players over to Australia because 149 00:08:38,587 --> 00:08:40,947 Speaker 2: first of all, they have to have somewhere to play 150 00:08:40,987 --> 00:08:43,187 Speaker 2: over there, they have to be attracted to one of 151 00:08:43,227 --> 00:08:45,307 Speaker 2: those franchises, and I just don't see that there are 152 00:08:45,307 --> 00:08:49,347 Speaker 2: that many who would be Grace Wiki is our best 153 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:53,147 Speaker 2: shooter by daylight, and if we want to win netball 154 00:08:53,187 --> 00:08:56,987 Speaker 2: tests and prepare in the best possible fashion for the 155 00:08:56,987 --> 00:09:00,027 Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games next year, then grace wki should be playing 156 00:09:00,067 --> 00:09:03,787 Speaker 2: for the Silver Ferns this year. Seems like an absolute 157 00:09:03,907 --> 00:09:07,707 Speaker 2: no brainer to me, so hopefully Sanity will provo for more. 158 00:09:07,787 --> 00:09:10,987 Speaker 1: From Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live to news 159 00:09:11,067 --> 00:09:14,587 Speaker 1: Talks it B weekends from midday, or follow the podcast 160 00:09:14,627 --> 00:09:15,547 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio